The Reel Rejects - MARVEL IN TROUBLE?! Spider-Man 4 Set Photos & Videos, MCU Decline & Fantastic Four Box Office

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

Spider-Man Brand New Day may be EXACTLY what Marvel & Kevin Feige needs right now. Step out of the way 3c Films, New Rockstars, & Screencrush... it's time for Greg Alba and Coy Jandreau (DC Studios) for a deep dive into the state of Marvel Studios as they break down everything from the Spider-Man 4 set photos to the box office performance of Fantastic Four, Superman, and more. Is the MCU in real decline? Can Spider-Man 4, Avengers: Doomsday, or Avengers: Secret Wars turn things around? In this raw and honest episode, we cover: Tom Holland’s new Spider-Man suit & practical stunts in Glasgow Spider-Man 4 villains: Scorpion, Tombstone, Tarantula, Boomerang, and Punisher Why Fantastic Four is underperforming despite critical praise The larger issue: declining theater attendance or superhero fatigue? The difference between event cinema (Barbie, Oppenheimer, Minecraft) vs. MCU Phase 5 fatigue What Marvel can learn from The Boys, Sinners, and Lilo & Stitch Can Avengers: Doomsday and Secret Wars actually fix the MCU? What James Gunn’s DCU is doing right Is the next pop culture wave video game movies? Or something else? What do YOU think? Is Marvel in decline or just evolving? Are you hyped for Spider-Man 4? Drop your thoughts in the comments! Follow Coy Jandreau:  Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?l... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coyjandreau/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYH2szDTuU9ImFZ9gBRH8w Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thank you to Huell for sponsoring this video. More on them in just a bit. What is up there, Citizens of the Reject Nation? We're back for another Real Rejects podcast, and this is like the first one in a while that is just recorded in us sitting down talking about. I mean, we did like a short version one, but this one I think is going to be an interesting discussion. Because we missed one because of scheduling stuff, and we did one pre-taped. This is the longest we've gone since we started half a year ago.

Yeah, I mean, we did like a bunch of Fantastic Four and Superman, last month. But like live to tape. Yeah. It's been, it's been, we've been doing this half a year now. Yeah. 26 weeks. We're doing pretty good. We're doing pretty good. Thank you guys. We missed only one week in this entire time. Which with our schedules is crazy. Appreciate you guys for being patient. And within that one week, a lot came out. A lot of Spider-Man. They have been marketing, ramping it up and letting the people to Glasgow just take photos and expose all of Spider-Man's little marketing. It's great. they were like remember the last time we were trying to conceal this stuff not this time a year of market they know what they're doing they saw how they knew those leaks were very beneficial for them and a lot of ways another take i think on top of that tom holland really fought for this to be done practically because he expressed how stressed he was that no way home was shot on so many green screens because of covid yeah so i think this movie's going to be a lot more practical on location feel more grounded we got that street level i think that the benefit of that is marketing But I think the film being shot on location is a creative choice.

Oh, that's a thousand percent. With the benefit of marketing. Yeah, because they're like going straight up to the fans interacting with them. It's amazing. They want people to see what they're doing. It looks so good. It's really smart. The Spider-Man is real thing feels amazing.

Like we're looking at photos of Spider-Man. I feel like Jay Jonah Jameson. Yeah. It's also, it's so antithetical to what they normally do with their productions where they're trying to like seal off from the public. But bring it out. We want the public to see what we're doing.

Let's interact with the fans. It's a unique way of filmmaking. So I thought for today's video, at least in my point of view, what I wanted to talk about is the state of, I feel like primarily Marvel, the state of primarily Marvel, of where they are in the industry, and if Spider-Man is capable of actually saving it or reverting it back. You did a video on your page talking about the optics when it comes to box office. I'm no box office analyst or anything of that metric, but I definitely have like opinions and feelings about the way things have been going that are not a testament to the quality

or an opinion about the quality of the films. Like I love Thunderbolts. It became one of my top favorites of Marvel. Fantastic Four, I thought it was great. I even got great critic score, great audience score. But there's some realities that I'm like, I've kind of been getting hit with what I would quantify as a reality situation.

So before we go into that, leave a like on this video. It's going to get real serious. So I feel like we'll talk about that. And then, you know, then we'll talk about Spider-Man and, you know, hopefully swing this around. But again, I want to just have a dialogue here. I'm not interested in trying to persuade or some shit like that. I just want to have a real conversation. Is your opinion on the box office the opposite of my video?

The thing is I wouldn't say, I think you are. wrong. You want to give like a short metric, a quantification of what your video was about. The long line of my, the one minute version of my nine minute video is I think we're looking at the box office inaccurately as pertaining to just superhero films.

My big canary in the coal mine was actually Jurassic World. Jurassic World, I think, is fun and it's silly. It's another of the Jurassic World. It's not a Jurassic Park. It is just as serviceable as the rest. I actually think it's the best Jurassic World. It is doing the least box office both domestically and worldwide.

Yesterday, Superman passed Jurassic World. Wednesday, two days ago for you, Lovelies, Jurassic World got passed by Superman domestically, and worldwide, it's only at 750. It will be the first Jurassic World to never clear a billion dollars. Those movies haven't been quality, especially the last two, in a while. And so it's not like people go for those movies for anything except for the popcorn experience this one is. I think we're unfairly looking at just superhero movies. I think the entire box office has shifted.

Minecraft almost got to a billion I think in pre-pendemic times it would have cleared one and a half I think that the only movie that cleared a billion was Lilo and Stitch because it has that family dynamic of bringing in hella seats

and repeat viewings and things but I don't see many other things maybe Avatar clearing a billion and I think the problem isn't in superhero movies I think it's in our expectations of things hitting a billion dollars I think that superhero movies

aren't dying I think that the expectation of a certain marker isn't fair because I think we compare superhero film to superhero film. I think we need to compare superhero film to this year's films. And I also think we need to compare post-pandemic to post-pandemic. I think anything pre-strike and especially pre-pandemic is a different marker. I think if you're looking at box office, it should be looking at this year.

Because I think every single year, we are less socialized. We are less apt to go to the theater. We are more trapped in the streaming loop. I think theaters are hurting in general. I still think superheroes are an effective tent pole that lifts the tent that keeps mid-budget and low-budget films out there, and yes, it's shifting, but I don't think it's gone the way of the Western where it's like, and I feel like there is a lot of that conversation. So I just want to be the booey of realism with the superhero genre.

I don't think it's as black and white as superhero problem. I think it's people not going to the theater problem. And I think the theater problem is the price of tickets, the length of commercials, the lack of immediacy because of the streaming window, dropping movies on digital and within 30 days, even if they've done well. I think when people go to the theater and they spend $20, they don't want to hear assholes talking. I certainly don't.

I think there need to be, you know, ramifications again. And I think there is an element of people don't know how to be in public. So the movie theater struggle is a bigger thing to discuss than the superhero struggle, in my opinion, because four of the top 10 movies domestically are superhero films. 40% of our top 10 domestic and four out of the top 11 worldwide. We're talking like,

It is still almost half in both parameters. So in my opinion, it is not quite what is being advertised. There's so much, like, I wouldn't say you're, I'm not going to go here and say, I think you're wrong. And that's not all I'm going to say. I think you make a lot of really great points. And I agree. It's especially because we tend to black and white a lot of this context.

And I don't want to black and white it either. I would like to kind of simplify a bit of where. I'm coming from though first. Sure, please. I haven't heard your thoughts at all. I mean, before going into July, I don't think there's any denying it. So many people, we've been having the conversation here. We thought this would be one of the biggest summers ever. I thought it'd be a $3 billion month. I said it. Loudly. We all did. It didn't come close. Yeah. It's not going to. That's why Jurassic to me felt like a bigger marker than the superhero films. Sorry I interrupted you. But Jurassic didn't have like the IMAX release. And, you know, Jurassic is also a new, I mean, it's not like the,

fucking cast really ever mattered in Jurassic Park but it is like a new start and yeah I think there's like a lackluster thing but the fact that Jurassic World is they are outperforming um that movie is outperforming fantastic Superman yeah and it looks like it

will settle on outperforming it domestically Superman passed Jurassic worldwide Jurassic's at like 755 and I think Superman will hit six yeah I think Jurassic World is actually a profit Superman is doing well. I think Superman's now in a profit.

Yeah, it's finally got in there. And Fantastic Four looks like it's going to be another Marvel movie that will be having a struggle. That's why I feel like a lot of this is actually around Marvel. Marvel, I think the reality is that we have to kind of dissect a little bit, is that they are a bit of a declining brand. You know, you have two movies in a row that do have good. great critic score, great audience score, but Thunderbolts the not profit. And Fantastic Four

is now looking like it's going to be having a struggle too. The second weekend wasn't as big a drop off as earlier predicted, but it wasn't as strong as it needed to be. Like, I think the 80% Friday was like, oh my God. And then Saturday and Sunday were good making it a 67% drop. It needed to be like a 50 or less though. And that's the conversation of even with word of mouth, not enough people saw it the second weekend to not be afraid, but I do think at the same time, it's a budgetary issue and a theatrical issue more than the genre. I think we needed to have a different expectation for any film post-pandemic, not just superhero film. Well, yeah, you know, if you look at like a lot of these television shows that go on for like forever years, generally the budget

goes down. Yeah, yeah. Because the people who stick around are only the diehards. Right. And that's kind of where Marvel's at right now. Because that opening weekend's big and then the drop happens. Yeah. And so there's a lack of urgency to go see these movies. Disney Plus, man. Because they've shot themselves in the foot. And I'm kind of wondering, like, this is feeling a little bit irreversible at the moment to me. It's such a struggle for them. Like, Fantastic Four should, that's the thing that I feel firmly about.

Fantastic Four should not be having this issue, but it is. And to me, that is a big testament to what is truly going on with Marvel. like the interest is nowhere near as high. I talk to a lot of people outside of here who don't follow Marvel anymore. People who are friends of mine who are just fans who don't do YouTube or anything who used to follow all this stuff and they're like, no, I don't follow it anymore. Like the interest is, sure, that's like a handful of people, but I believe results is the name of the game.

I believe numbers are a really big thing to pay attention to. Like what you are saying is very true about still when you look at the box office domestically and superheroes movies are still a big part of that box office. I'm going to go to a little bit what Christopher McCorrie was saying when we're talking about, you know, being a winner kind of mindset. When Mission Impossible, not this, not final reckoning, dead reckoning, when it underperformed, everyone had the caveats. Oh, it didn't get a full time in IMAX, you know, sandwiched between the Barbenheimer phenomenon. And Christopher McCory said that him and Tom Cruise were there going, none of that matters. We should have done better.

Like, we should have done better. And that is how I feel right now is there are movies like Oppenheimer, like Barbie, like Minecraft movie, like Lila Winstitch that are pulling the numbers that Marvel used to pull. I put Senators in there too. And sinners, yeah, sinners is a great one. But in terms of like the big numbers, at the end of the day, there are movies that are still doing that. Marvel is a fraction of that now. I would, my only contestation is I wouldn't disagree with anything you just said. I don't think it's the same scale as before.

But I think that it, say it went down a comfortable 25%. I think all movies went down 20%. So I'm saying we need to look at the 5% as not 100%. Like it's a ratio that I think is the skew, right? Like I think there is a 5% drop off in the overall, but that's only because, you know, there's a 20% of everything. So I think all cinema has dipped and it is dipped a little bit more, but not as big as I think people are saying.

Yeah. Yes. True. That was the point of my video is that I think that people are saying, oh my God, it's 25% down of what it used to be. But I'm like, yeah, but movies are 20. So like it's actually this big. And everybody's saying it's this big. I'm not disagreeing that it's not the same phenomenon. I'm not saying that like, you know, not everyone used to Marvel movies used to feel like an event. We talked about Fantastic 4 leading up, not feeling the same as we wanted it to.

That last push, it started to feel big and special. But by then it was not a full three months of building hype. it was like a nice month of hype. But I don't know that culture is going to let a movie have a three-month, oh my God, again. Unless they're Spider-Man or X-Men, unless the character, or Superman or Batman. That's a big problem, though. That is a massive problem because, you know, there was a time where Marvel could introduce you to a new character. And it would be huge.

Guardians of the Galaxy is a perfect example of we can introduce it. Even, you know, the Ant-Man movies were part of the lesser-than big numbers, but they were still successes. Yeah. you know um for ant man and now they are not capable of i don't think they're capable of doing that anymore and nor are they great with their television shows you know i like again this is this is not coming from a place that wants to like capitalize on negativity you know uh i i there's like there is a gray here and there's this there i am i am though feeling like the level of it's a bummer as someone who especially loved the last two Marvel movies.

It's a real bummer. Even though I wasn't big on Ironheart, that did it perform well. And I loved, I like Dominique Thorne. I know she's really controversial for some people for some fucking reason, but I like Dominique Thor a lot. And I'm excited the idea if we can get more Mephisto in here. There's all these prospects,

but they need to have more than Avengers Doomsday and Avengers Secret Wars. And even Spider-Man, which I want to, like, I'm excited for Spider-Man. There's so much to talk about what I'm excited. about for Spider-Man, but they can't only rely on that. They need to be able to have their Shang-Chi's and Eternals and all that be able to perform really well. And it is just kind of, I don't even know what the solution is.

Other than like, yeah, you dial back budgets so you can make more money to keep this going. But they do need to have a different, because your conversation is so much about optics. Right. And we do need to change the optics to at the same time about, like, how do we frame the optics for the audience that this is a, this is still an exciting event. I feel like we need a real break from Marvel, honestly. I think a break after Secret Words, but I also think there is a conversation to be had about people are, so many people are lemmings. And so if the optics are lemmings, they just follow each other off the cliff.

Like it's a real problem of the internet of like, oh, it's not good. I guess I won't see it. Like, I don't understand our job is. weird to me. I don't watch YouTubers. I don't get it. So, like, I've never made a decision to not see a movie because of someone else's opinion. If I hear after, like, together is a great example. I would not have seen together because that's not my genre. But I heard from so many people I trust. And then talking to Dave Franco and Alison Brie, their excitement and the marketing, that was enough to get me over the edge to watch it. But if I was going to see together and I

heard a lot of people not like it, I'd already decided to see it. So I think it's odd that people rely on other people's opinions to not see something. And I think if the optics are on these movies in this genre not doing as well, that is more detrimental than the actual movie quality because there isn't an opportunity for the second weekend to not drop off 70%. If the optics are, oh, it only made 200 million, we need to change the conversation. So that starts with the budget being smaller. So it has to make less money. So the expectations aren't as big. But if we're saying only superhero movies aren't doing as well, that's not true. true. All movies aren't doing as well. And that's the point of my video and my and my thesis statement is we don't, if we point the finger at one genre, that genre is going to do worse and worse. If we look at the problem with movie theater attendance, then it's a different conversation. Yeah. Well, yes. I mean, when people say like, oh, it has this drop off and no one's really watching it, that makes more people just continue to not watch it. Oh, I don't feel like I need to watch it because no one really gives a shit about this movie then. Right. Whereas something like sinners, if it has like a

great second week and people are watching it even though it's still an event even though it's not making as much money as even fantastic four is um people are like wow people are watching this movie then that's what people are saying i should go watch this movie because it's still holding well like the legs on that movie so yeah when they do change the optics in terms like the narrative of of the collective media yes that does make a a difference um so yeah i fully agree with you on that and not dumping it on fucking disney plus in 30 days and while i do think that the movie genre is uh the movie theaters are stumbling a lot and there's fewer major hits, I think where I'm coming from is that I do think the superhero genre is dipping a lot. I would say the superhero genre

problem is like a B level problem and the movie theater problem is an A level problem. I think it's what I'm trying to say is I agree. I agree it's a big problem, but I think a bigger problem is the macro. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I did an interview Adam Halevick from Heroes Reformation. Is that who was here yesterday? I heard laughing. I was jealous. Yeah, he's great. I did an interview with him, and we were talking about that, how, you know, movie theaters

were this, like, immersive escapism experience, and he, when he's at home, he likes to try to emulate that, like, big, everything black, turn the phones off, that way he can really be immersed in it, and that my dad was like that. He craved the immersion experience. I do. And I crave it, too, especially when I'm at a movie theater, I really crave. of it. And yeah, like the association with movies are all over the place. Like, freaking hell, even with TV shows. I was working out the gym and I saw someone running on

the treadmill watching Squid Game on their iPhone. And I'm like, wow. I mean, like, anyone can watch any TV show they want however they want or any movie they want however they want. That just kind of goes to show that even something as big as a Squid game, they're like, I'll just catch up in it when I'm at the gym. Four inches is fine. That's enough screen. Four by six The super expensive show. Yeah. And people do that with a lot of things. And it is, I don't, I don't know how we possibly go back.

Like, what is the thing that, let's look at the ones that are really big. And then how can superhero movies adopt that? Maybe we can have a little brainstorm. Lerone stitch. Minecraft. Oppenheimer, Barbie, are like the most obvious ones of phenomenon. Sinners. Let's sort sinners into the mix there.

Even though sinners wasn't even near the box office level, it's still a phenomenon in its own right. So why, what can Marvel, what can Marvel do or change to possibly emulate the events of that? Have a director with a vision and let them make a movie. Like, you don't feel like Fantastic Ford did that? Not really. It's kind of, it's like most of it. I enjoyed the movie, but it was a little safe in this. It was so safe.

And like, I thought it was, I think Matt Shackman visually did, yes. But narratively, it's a movie. Like, visually. it is so strong and so specific and it has a vision visually but narratively it's a movie and I enjoyed that visual experience and I enjoyed that movie but I don't think there's anything

safer than what they did with Johnny and Reed anything. Okay but so Barbie and Oppenheimer and sinners fit that. They're bold they've got vision, they're unique they are something that is managing to be in sinners case a low budget high opportunity

for growth in Barbie's case a very very bold swing with a known IP, but taking it in subversion of ways. And what was your last one? Oppenheimer is an event because it is such counter-programming that you have to understand what everyone else's appeal is. Yeah. And that's like an R-rated. Two of those are R-rated, and one's a three-hour R-rated biopic. Half in black and one. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So then you have Lilo and Stitch and Minecraft movie. Lilo and Stitch, to me, that is probably, weirdly here, Hear me out. Why I will kind of compare that the most to what's been going on with the superhero genre. The Disney remakes were not doing so great. After the Snow White Fiasco, there was all

that talk with Disney being like, we're going to definitely dial this shit back. We're definitely not going to be doing this anymore. And then Leelow and Stitch comes out and it makes almost a billion dollars. I think clear a billion. Did it clear a billion? I think it's the only movie this year. Did it make a billion? It made a billion dollars, right? And it is another one that as same zies you know it's it with differences that pissed off some fans but it's but that's another thing like it's it also changes things that pissed off fans but it's still made over a billion dollars um and so when you like in what like the disney remakes are just rehashing and doing the same shit and uh people got we're starting to get sick and tired of it but then leland stitch comes out

and it was a hit and then people were talking about superhero fatigue because what do they associate fatigue with repetitiveness and kind of same zes and and and That's why there's probably a decline, but why is Lilo and Stitch a phenomenon in the box office and reception, but box office and resonating with audiences, but Marvel can't seem to get it, get that level of pull. I got to admit Lilo and Stitch is my anomaly of the year, because I don't know what makes it different than the other live action ones. I don't know what made it comfort food when other live action remakes weren't because

all the things I think appeal about Lilo and Stitch are it's a known quantity, it's comfortable. My kids want to see it. They want to like, you know, be babysat for two hours and repeat viewing. the things that I think Disney does best but they hadn't been winning with those so I honestly could not tell you why I think Lilo and Stitch would well especially because I haven't seen it but I have no idea what made

that one special but I think Minecraft is the example I would give of that was an untapped known IP it cast movie stars it was a phenomenon it felt like minions or one of those things that you have to see in a theater because you want to see it with part of the experience is going to the theater I think the biggest deal is

we need to make these things feel like an event Like the reason Barbenheimer worked Had to see it in the theater The reason Minions turned into like people wearing suits It needs to be eventized Five Nights at Freddy's I forgot about too Eventized That was like day in

Released the same day it was on peacocks And still crushed it at the box office Because the theatrical experience Need to be special Yeah and you want to be with a group That's feeling experiencing that I think that's what Marvel is truly missing And Avengers feels like you have to see it in theaters

Because it's an event you don't want to get spoiled I don't know that anyone felt that with Thunderbolts I don't know that anyone felt that with Fantastic 4 I'm surprised Fantastic for it didn't do a little better But Superman felt like an event It's made almost I think it'll end near 700 million Yeah I think Superman needs to get more credit Like fully acknowledge internationally

It is vastly underperforming It doesn't surprise me though I said I was Canadian when I traveled overseas Yeah no it's it's vastly underperforming So yes totally But domestically it's been holding pretty damn strong You know the drops are tiny Yeah and I know there's all the caveats

That people always talk about too with movies especially with like superhero films like it's beyond just box office too it's like okay what about the digital release and the profits there and the merchandise there man made tons money and toys exactly and comics and comics and actually sold i don't know anyone that picked up fantastic four comics to the same scale i had a few people asked me and i recommended some but it wasn't like superman where it was like what do we get yeah yeah yeah so uh superman's still holding well domestically for sure um but that felt like an event Superman felt like the movie of the summer summer of Superman it felt like a must i do not i did not get that from efff i enjoy

ff quite a bit yeah i gave it four star superman four and a half i'm not saying one is markedly better than the other i'm saying the feeling of it and when i talked about it being irreversible um when you look at what made the mc u a success everyone talks about the end game heyday right why i feel like it might be irreversible is because what made avengers so why why you would show up for even a guardians or why you would show up for an ant man or even characters who weren't as popular even Captain Marvel was a billion dollar hit, you know, is because people felt it was necessity because they wanted to see the major event film. It was all tied to the major event film, so they felt like mini events leading into a major event. And, you know, this is where the two roads conflict

comes into play because we're like, well, we don't want to just see movies that are only setting up for the bigger film. We want them to do their own thing. Like a Fantastic Four. We want it to do its own thing like a Superman. Um, but they've also shot themselves in the foot because they've had like 20 plus successes in a row that were built around the narrative of leading to major event films. And now they don't have that narrative. Even when you look at like secret wars and doomsday, you know, you're beginning this culmination that's relying on a lot of nostalgia and then a lot and a lot of seeds planted and then a new doom. And, um, characters that it's like they've had one off like a shang chi and stuff like people who haven't

really had the presence or the event cinema to it's different than when you get the culmination of like avengers eight of ultron and uh infinity war and they they plain and simple do not have that they and that's caps four thors three like there there were series we haven't had an avengers film in a long time and we've had so many things and what's got the sequel that's what i mean What post end game has gotten a sequel? Nothing. I mean, there was like a sequel to things like Thor. Guardians 3 or 4, but like what new thing?

Yeah, Black Panther. The Marvel's and. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's true. Because Captain Marvel was in phase one through three. Black Panther was in phase one through three. Yeah. I don't think anything that started has had a continuation.

And that's going to feel odd when it culminates in Avengers. Like it makes Avengers their second movie. Yeah. And they also primed audiences where they felt like they needed to. to watch these other things, but now there's so many things that people lost interest in. So you get to a point where, like, it feels daunting. And, like, they, they want to get rid of that feeling of having to do homework. Yeah.

But I don't know if they can now. I really don't know if they can. If Secret War is complete, this is what happens in comics is people go to the comic store and they go, oh, issue 762, what do I do here? And then the comic company goes, issue number one. And then issue number one turns the issue like 30 and they're like, a legacy number 810 and now all of a sudden like you've got the comic fans like me that have collected

from the beginning going like I think this is 810 but you've got the new jumping on point of number one it's a magic trick to make the number one feel like it is a new jumping on point for a team as well as the reader but also for the readers like me that feel like that is continuing my character especially with characters

that have been around for 80 years like Superman or 60 years like Spider-Man so what you need to do is have events like secret wars or events like a crisis event in DC where it cleans up continuity Like, there is an actual comic book, whatever happened to The Man of Tomorrow, where Alan Moore got to write the last Superman story. It was the end of an actual Superman. That was the last Superman story of pre-crisis Superman.

That's so special. We need something like that where this does feel like an ending so that when they start the X-Men, it does feel like no homework. It does feel like a fresh thing. I wouldn't even mind a little gap. I mean, we make the problem with that is the internet wants now, now, now. Like the fan entitlement is like that comes out in two. years like that that people will will that's the concern look at the Batman yeah the Batman's taking what six years and people are like well I'm gonna be dead first yeah the Batman

script got handed in two weeks ago it got greenlit it's approved it's going into pre-production they start filming January 1 nobody's talking about that they were talking for six months about where is it now that it's happening out of the news because it's not exciting to talk about success or good things it's exciting to complain so that's the problem with the optics is We're making 10 videos about where's the Batman script. It's here. Where's the video about it? That's embarrassing for culture.

So I don't think there is an opportunity to take time off because then it's just going to be complain videos. That goes back to the premiere. This is hopefully why they pay Fagie a lot of money. How can Marvel? Marvel really, this is not a good. I just don't think this is a good year for them. Like while there's quality of a good, a good amount of quality, especially with the last two films.

They've also haven't done themselves any favors with being like, let's just try to get rid of Ironheart. Let's just try to get rid of Eisenhower, you know? I feel like there's another thing, right? There's like, Wonder Man comes out this year. Brave New World was not received well and did not make money. And Wonder Man does come out this year in December, right? And zombies.

All right. Okay. I'm just saying facts. I'm excited. I hope they make something really cool of it. Because, yeah, they made some really cool shit. in that time. But look at their future.

X-Men 97 did huge. We get a season two. I'm worried about it. But we get one- Especially with Bo de Mayo out there. Just shitty on Marvel and any second to Kevin Feiking. Just as much as,

yeah, that's a whole thing. But like, we get a, we get a your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man season two next year. I think your friendly neighborhood

Spider-Man is one of the best thing Marvel's done a long time. Okay, that was another one though where they're like, put it out. Yeah. But hopefully after the success

of the quality, they care and maybe after Spider-Man, look at the hype of just filming Spider-Man. Yeah. Next year we have an X-Men property, a Spider-Man property, a live-action Spider-Man property. And theoretically, if they somehow film it in time, a doomsday.

Those are all tent pole movies. Those are all their Fantastic Four or bigger. Arguably, all four of those are bigger than Fantastic Four, optically. So I think they're just going to have to play the hits. I think when a band goes on tour and they know they've exhausted all they're like, we're trying to experiment, they often play the hits. And then they slowly sneak in new stuff. I think Marvel's going to have to play the hits for a while.

I think it's going to have to be like a reunion tour or an eras tour. Like I don't think they're, I don't think they have the leverage right now to change their style. This is not going to be Meteora. This is definitely hybrid theory. Yeah. Hmm. That was for John.

Thank you, Corey. It's a Lincoln Park reference for you millennials. Linkin Park. But I remember, like, Meteorra blew my mind because it was enough familiar, but really different. And it was an incredible sophomore album. that is what I don't think they can do and I think that's what they were trying to do with phase four or five and six

I hope so I hope they're able to bounce back it's a bummer I don't know what's taking the spot of it that's why I'm worried about theater in general I'm personally like my feeling is I'm personally bummed like I have no issue

with being like oh wow I had an expectation the only thing I got right was like I felt like Superman would outperform fantastic for her I said that like before the running trailers And I have no issue with being like, oh, wow, I thought this would be like a $3 billion a month, but it's not. It has nothing to do with that. It's more like, wow, we're watching a thing that I really do love kind of flailing right now. And it's like, it seems a little threatened, you know.

I mean, sports teams, like when they go from, like, look at the Patriots. Like, what Patriots were a dynasty and then they got rid of Brady and then like, that's a very specific reference for me. Boston fans only. But like you have to recalibrate everything in order to become that dynasty again. And sometimes it doesn't happen. Sometimes it does. Like the Red Sox came back after all those years and like reverse the curse and they made themselves a dynasty again.

But a lot of times people would watch the Red Sox to see them almost win. I don't know if Marvel can survive that because of the difference of cost. If you're making $100 to $200 million gambles, whew. But if you start making 80 to $120 million gambles, it's a little bit more leverage. And the people that will show up guaranteed opening weekend, that's what you need to make sure you rebuild. Yeah. But I'm worried.

Like I, and with my video notwithstanding, I'm still aware that we might not ever get that feeling again we did with endgame. I'm still aware that no way home is such a special event feeling. I want those back. And selfishly, like, I'm such a comic book guy. I don't want to see the comic book movie genre fizzle. Me neither. I've been falling more and more.

I'm still reading the Fantastic Four comics. Like, I'm falling more and more and more in love with comics. And I think that's why it hurts even more. Because now you've joined the cult. Yeah, I think four of us is reading comics when I'm like, oh, I have to because of this thing coming out. The good thing is comics aren't going away. And that's what, like, there will always be great comic stories that might get adapted. My thing is, like, the reason I'm worried about the macro is, I don't know what's replacing comics.

Like, I don't know what the next big event thing is. I think, I think what we need. I'm really sorry to interrupt. No, no, I've interrupted you to do a time. I apologize. I don't want to lose this thought. I've been rewatching Gen B because we're going to be covering season two. And I forgot how much, how good that show.

was. I totally forgot how good that show is. And I also started Pam and Tommy because I've loved Seth Rogen and I were like, I haven't seen this. It's a fun. It's a great show. I don't even know Craig Gillespie. I held that show. I didn't tell his name pop. I'm like, oh, cool. Spastion Stan. And I told you. Yeah, he's amazing in it. And so is, oh my God, the whole stuff girl plays Pamela Anderson. Lily Collins? She's so good, too. Anyway, I'm bringing that up because I was, and Seth Rogen was produced that show. And I think Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg should make a big superhero movie. I feel like if they got involved in like DC one or something. Yeah. I think they would actually something like them, their voice could totally make a difference. They'll work on preacher,

the boys. I told Seth to his face. He was the Kevin Faggie of TV and he's helped me get through a lot. And he like did the Seth laugh and he's like, thanks man. And I was like, do you ever do a movie or something? He's like, I don't know. And I was like, good lawyer answer. But like I want to him to more than most things. And he reads comics still. Obsessed. He goes to the actual comic book store and stuff and I think they need someone like him to do it. I feel like they should give Edgar

write another chance. Directors of the vision. Exactly. You get those kind of guys to come in here who know fans well where you hear they're doing something. James Mangold who loves Swamp thing. I think James like this is going to be people are going to be like I don't care. This

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Yeah, let's get into that because on the flip side, man, is this looking awesome. That suit is so perfect, man. Like, we had a whole conversation about Superman suits here, and I was admittedly talking about how I'd never really pay much attention to suits. I don't. I'm such a wardrobe guy, dude. Yeah. And people were, like, doing so many videos about the, even when it was, like, not fully

revealed, just the close-ups and, like, videos of huge view counts about, like, like whoa look at this i'm like it looks like the same one from no way home at the end but okay um and then yeah when tom holland does come out and you're seeing it and then but also on the set photos uh wow it looks it looks pretty it's like seeing the old chris for reeve like just standing around you're like that's superman this feels like best butterman and a lot of the the set photos that they are doing like there's some epic set photos that they have practical swinging the explosion while he's swinging in the middle of Glasgow? Whatever Sony,

all the shit they've done with like their stupid Morbiuses and Cravens and whatever the hell. We've got a fan out there that's sending his videos directly. He's on the ground. Like we got a Scottish fan

that's so tagging us. So awesome. And I don't use Twitter as much, which is good. But if you do, there's some really cool stuff he's been sending us. But that,

they are already winning. Making it feel like it's going to be an event. Yeah. A year of Spider-Man, dude. And it's not reliant.

I mean, yes, there's Punisher in there. Like, here's the cool thing about what they're doing is they have Punisher in there and he looks really cool like he does very different than what we've

even seen from him on the on the he did you see the video today at the rap where Punisher John Bernthal speech yeah beautiful yeah so John Bernthal yeah yeah and and so he looks different there you know like really clean Punisher logo with a beard and I like the way at the look it's the rumor is that it's actually not like

a demon for a Mr. Negative's crew with the tank they actually think that's actually Punisher's tank I don't know why the demon thing would be there Dude, there's an incredible run That so many people hated A certain group of people hated Uh, yeah

Oh my God, if they do that story That's one of my favorite Punisher runs ever That just blew my mind It's a controversial run It's divisive It's my second, I think it's my second favorite punisher run of all time Really? Okay Oh, that's such a good idea

They give him that power And they let him actually Be that like anti-hero To the scale of like overpowering that would make the Hulk fight I love that idea that's fun and that that comic is so good some of the Netflix shows are super important yeah I mean it's kind of weird it is funny Sony Marvel hybrid who's making Netflix Marvel hybrid super important yeah not mad at it um but so while they have that and while you have the announcement of Hulk this is what's so cool about why this

is feeling like event is because it's just Spider-Man at the thing does make it and feel like an event. It's August 8th, right? I have no idea. Photo started on the first. Spider-Man Day was... I mean today. Yeah, today. So Spider-Man Day is August 1st or July 31st. It's August 1st. And so photos started on the first

and now it's been eight days. We're still talking about just Spider-Man. And I love that point you just made because we're getting in another wave when we see Punisher with them. We're getting in another wave when we see Ruffalo show up. There are rumored like seven villains. They have so much to play with for the next 360 days. Yeah, they have

Okay, so the villains that they do have Actually wrote them all down one second Are they confirmed? A few of them are confirmed Okay They have, you know, Mando is returning And he actually posted a- Yeah, I saw the Michael Mando post

He posted a photo too of First he had one like a scorpion toy Like the generic one And then he had one where he Behind Venom Yeah, he takes on the Symbiot one Yeah What is that one called

When he's Venom? I probably forgot the name of that It escapes me right now I read it. It's pretty good. Matt Gargan with Venom is exciting. I think that'd be a fun way. If you bring Matt Gargan in here, make him a viable threat, introduce the symbiate and secret wards, have Spider-Man to have the symbiate, maybe leave Gargan, go to Spider-Man

or have Spider-Man first. Just use that in some way and do a trilogy that leads to the third movie having Venom. That'd be awesome. Okay. So, yeah. All right. Here's who they have. Punisher is in here.

Hulk is confirmed to be in here. Yep. Things we have already dissected on this podcast. before. Okay. Villains. Scorpion. So excited. Ramrod. Yep. Tombstone. Tarantulaula boomerring. Street level for days. Utilizing a lot of the goodwill from your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. A lot of villains you could, like Ramrod won't be a major player, but he'll be good for like a montage. Um, I think it's going to lean into the crime element because, I mean, when I hear tarantula and especially tombstone, I think street level crime that's going to probably lead to because Punisher,

Kingpin. And then there was set photos today that did have, um, Zendanty. day on set and they were they were um she just there as a fiance no no they were actually filming a scene oh okay because like you know they're real life traveling together yeah yeah i mean it's a day on set and there was like uh aunt may's tombstone oh wow so she's definitely dead yep can confirm can't confirm she died in that last they showed her body i think she died he's not making a deal with mefisto to save her this time or maybe yeah by the end who knows that's how we got a brand new day yeah that's technically yep and then tombstone could I kind of feel like, if I had a guess a plot, if I had to guess a plot, especially with Scorpion coming back, I think Mr. Negative is at, we'll still be in this movie.

And I feel like Mr. Negative. I mean, if they do like Punisher in the hand, that might be a little much to have all this in here. But I think Mr. Negative is forming a team to take on Spider-Man in some way. And some of these villains might be just oft. I think Mr. Negative corrupting Hulk finally. back into Rage Hulk has come. Yeah. Oh, for sure. If Mr. Negative's in here.

For sure. I don't know why he would have the personal vendetta this time against him, but Scorpion is out for revenge. Scorpion, that's how his post-credit seeded in no way home. Long ago and homecoming. Yeah. That's how they ended. So he's definitely going to be out for revenge.

Mr. Negative is a really personal villain. I think this is going to, and some of these other villains, I feel like we'll just be done with in this movie. Yeah. And not be important at all montage, something kind of fun. But I think this is setting. up a way where we could actually get a genuine Sinister 6. 100%. Yeah.

And like Tombstone could stick around and I could see that leading to Kingpin. I could see all of this building in a big way. I could see Venom by the third movie. I mean, they did have the symbiote in no way home and yeah, I think they could actually pull this off. And with Destin Daniel Creighton who was a huge Spider-Man fan who has a visual

eye who does such good choreography. I cannot wait. Like I still to this day think the best web swinging is amazing Spider-Man. Say about those movies. I think when he's Spider-Man, some of the writing has some problems, but the physicality of Andrew Garfield Spider-Man and the web swinging and the use of Spider-Man's powers. It's, it's perfect. John Watts was, I don't know why he was so emphatic on the whole idea of like that because even looking at just these like cameras of the web swinging, it looks

incredible. And it's like the least done thing ever. It's just us watching someone watch us swing. It is like I'm watching like someone on an iPhone recording this shit and I'm losing my mind. And it's looking so awesome. Like, oh my God, it looks like Spider-Man is swinging through the streets right now. It is really cool. And I like John Watts's Spider-Man. I did find that was missing. The swinging does not stand out at all in those movies. I don't remember moments of swinging. The movies are good. I don't like revisionist history. I don't think No Way Home is exceptional. I miss him swinging. Yeah, no, the swinging is a big, like, Toby's have a great handle on the swinging. But yeah, he's like swinging away from the explosion.

I'm like, wow, this looks so cool. The shot, when he's coming around the building and he's just got all this vote, I'm like, it's Spider-Man. And it's also like a cool way to promote it in the Tom Cruise sense. Yeah, like, they're really doing it. He's really doing it. We're having this reversal go back of,

we want more practicality. I think that's so healthy. And with Spider-Man to pull off the swing to make you feel like the way you want to watch SuperBrand, I feel like a man can fly. You want to watch Spider-Man. If you like a man could be zipping around the city, I'm already feeling that from

freaking footage of someone's iPhone. Yeah, Scottish people running around with cameras has me more excited than any promo I've seen for other movies. And like, I think it's so exciting that like Scotland's getting their own. There's something really special about Glasgow and I wish it was in New York

for just the authenticity of Spider-Man's sake in Manhattan, but there's something really special about getting to see a new city in this way. Like, I've never been to Glasgow and seeing this much of the city. Like, what a beautiful place. And Spider-Man lives there. Like, it's been so fun as a fan.

Yeah. And Tom Holland as Spider-Man to be interacting with fans is so Spider-Man. Yeah, the kid that, like the high-five kid, I watched so many of that family's TikToks because like the kid is a huge Spider-Man fan and they put up like a little montage. There's a POV from the kid's hand, high-fiving Spider-Man. I'm like, this is the one good side of TikTok. It's like we get to see every angle of these great interactions. And I'm so used to even Twitter being, you know, the consistent place you go to when you want

negativity. And it's fairly positive. Web-slinging is a pretty universe. This is kind of unusual for a comic book thing on X, formerly known as Twitter, to be suddenly like, whoa, look at all the praise. This is getting. And that one shot of him from the back with his like head slightly now with all the cops and stuff. Like that aura shot, man. Yeah. And it's not being sold. Like that's the cool thing is it's actually being sold on Tom Holland. Yeah. It's not being sold on like, hey, are we going to get Toby and Andrew coming back? Are we going to be, I'm here mainly see Punisher Hulk. This is about Spider-Man. The Central MCU Spider-Man, and I love that the hype is around him returning. Yeah. Because that's what Spider-Man needs. Yeah.

And that's what Marvel needs. And I don't know. Would it turn the tide, though, in all this? Or is it will be a one-off situation the way how No Way Home was almost sort of a way. Because like no way, there was a dip in everything was, it wasn't like a sudden, right? No, it was grand media. It was Love and Thunder. Because even with the show.

show side. People always talk about the shows and too much homework. But when that first started Wanda Vision was huge. It wasn't a problem. Wanda Vision was a phenomenon. Loki was massive. Falconer Soldier was good. Maybe not the biggest hit. It needed to be but it was good. But we had two or three that were huge.

That's how the movie started. Iron Man huge. Hulk, not so much. But then. Iron Man 2, pretty big. Iron Man 3 huge. After No Way home, that's when dips started to occur. I also think next year with, it's an Avengers Spider-Man year. I think the conversation

you're having right now with worry, I will feel if December next year we're having this talk, I'll be worried. But like, if Spider-Man doesn't do well, it will. If Avengers doesn't do well, that I'm curious about. Yeah, it's more like, okay, but afterwards, will they be able to get you to watch an Ant-Man? Will they be able to get you to watch

a Guardian to the Galaxy? I think they should focus on X-Men. I don't think they should focus on their no disrespect, B and C-list characters. They have enough A-list characters. Well, they've also introduced some B and C list characters that deserve more attention. You know, they've introduced stuff like Shang Chi. Yeah, I do hope we get more Shang Chi. I think he will, but I think he elevated through. I think cinematically, Shang Chi is A list. Yeah. I think Kamala Khan, Amman Valani, is one of the best castings they've ever done. I think we're more likely

get an A team or a young Avengers or champions with the Cape Bishops and the Amon Valanis. and those those I love capish I think hey this time felt incredible I like Elena more than I like and Sasha and I think that is likely a new Avengers a young Avengers and Avengers going into Doomsday and what we get after Secret Wars is the question but they need

to make sure those are quality they need to not just do well they need to be good so we feel like they're important again because yeah Fige's out here saying like a game was about endings and this is about a new beginning Secret Wars and all that I think it launches a whole new universe but how do you pitch that to an audience

who has already lost. I don't know how to even, as someone who follows this, wrap my head around the idea that this is about a new beginning because I still feel like I need all this other context because it's also,

there's no way it's only just a new beginning. It's also an ending. You make Doomsday a big conflict and you make it a villain story and you try to do even more than the Thanos thing with Dr. Doom because we're just meeting them there. But then you make secret wars

about the conclusion of all of that and the last act is like, like half a start like you wrap things up but you bring us put all the new x-men in secret wars you put all of the new put miles in there maybe you bring in all of the people like the new iron man and captain america in secret wars and you end the movie with them all launching at once you make the biggest tall age panel of your life the end of secret wars and then you go like but you got to make all those characters immediately lovable you got to care about the x-men you got to care about the new iron man you got to care and that's that's a magic trick just like i was saying in the comic

books like making a new number one has to do the impossible it happens all the time but there's never been higher stakes for this whole genre than secret wars yeah just like i said that was never higher stakes for superman and i and i stand by that i think superman was the biggest swing wb has ever had to make luckily i thought it was amazing and it's doing well i think secret wars is now the next biggest thing in the comic genre for stakes those sounds insanely expensive oh my god they just finished writing it i guess like they need to make like two billion dollars yeah just to pay downy just to pay the cast members yeah it's it's insane like whatever the production budget is and then whatever they're going to cost from marketing like this sounds like this could be like

a billion dollar budget and how do you fly 40 cast members around like that that stuff like there's also the elements of we talked briefly about reverting back to physical and getting away from cg i think that is kind of the nature of entertainment like we've got those big surges of cg i like Jurassic Park, I think, is the perfect blend of CGI and practical. And then the late 90s had that amazing era of like Fight Club and The Matrix and the Mummy, where it was largely practical with flourishes. So like 93 to 99 was early CGI masterfully done because it was an accent, right? Early 2000s where we get messy. You get your Scorpion Kings. You get your, uh, you get your movies that when you think of bad CGI. Like that's the era. But like, think about right before that, Flubber looked cool

and it worked. But then we started to get to more advanced CGI. And that started to get a little messier, but then we pulled back. There's always that like, oh, test the new thing, pull it back. Test the new thing. I think the volume, when it started, like Greg Frazier using it in the Batman, looked amazing. But then it became something they overused and they had to pull it back. I think Alien Earth, it's going to be a great example of using 70s technology and

70s practical sets and all the things that made that work, but with today's technology to smooth it out a little. I think that's the direction we need to go with superhero stuff. Use the classics. Use the cheaper stuff. and then augment. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel with the most spectacular visual effect.

Let Spider-Man swing. Like, that's how you post-Secret War's make these things feel special. Make them tangible. Make them smaller. Make them important. And so I think it's possible, but I'm an optimist,

and I love this stuff. Like, I don't think Marvel is dead. I don't think DC is pummeling Marvel. I don't think, I think DC is in a better position. And I think DC is hiring the voices I want to hear from so much. But Marvel isn't not.

like Destinator Creighton's not getting the credit that he should get. I'm still really hopeful. Yeah. I don't think Marvel's dead. I think where I was just coming from is like it's definitely decline. I think it's still declining. We've had one billion dollar movie this year. I think movie theaters need to.

I don't know what's replacing this because I don't find video games as guaranteed as Marvel once was. Like I think Minecraft and Mario and all those are great examples. Sonic is pretty great. So I love Sonic, but like those are great examples of it can happen. But Marvel was doing hit after hit after hit. We still get bad video game stuff amongst it. What's the thing? Like what's our culture thing?

Like the 90s had sci-fi. The 2000s had like dirty comedy. The 2010s had superhero stuff. I don't feel like we have a cultural thermometer right now. So that I think until that happens, I'm not as worried for Marvel going away. Well, that's why I wanted Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg because I think they know how to craft something that's not about saving the world. but making steaks feel like that. Yeah.

You know? I think that's why the boys is so great because it is like technically saving the world, but it's not like big superhero battle purpose filled. Granted, like they're just producers on it, and they've been writers. But it's like most of the credit goes to Eric Kripke in terms of helming it, you know? But that's with their creative input, though, I think they can make something pretty magical. Love to see them on a booster gold. they would be the perfect pick for that i think they'd be the perfect pick i would love that and especially

for the kind of um like now that people are finally recognizing their directing skills the studio should open every door ever always been great directors since they started this as the end they've always been great director dude super bad was 20 years ago yeah like that's they didn't direct no no but like they've been they've had the mind for stuff ahead of its time of course yeah that's what i mean and so like now that they can direct and they have those minds for writing and like come on let them play and after the studio people are finally realizing oh pretty talented guys like no they've always been great directors yeah even even when uh they've always had a sense of style you know they've only had really one big um flub which was uh the north korean movie um what the hell was like the interview

the interview yeah yeah the interview that was also pretty circumstantial it was a bold swing and it did not time well with the world i mean rogan was pretty honest about how like he feels like it did not it bummed seeing the reception to it overall it just wasn't well he was like it was more bummed that it was like people

didn't like the movie yeah as a movie but also like that's you can only swing so many times and hit hits like Homer's like that I think that's a really beautiful average you gotta have some hits

you got some failures you gotta have some failures and that's why again like Marvel I do not think is I'm not as worried for Marvel as maybe I should be but they have had still batting 700 right

I still think of Marvel as way more than down the middle okay like overall yeah especially this year two out of three yeah and even their worst movie this year i don't think was bad it was neutral and deadpool and wolverine was uh a huge movie it was huge and i had me thinking that's like i i am like the worst audience member because i i am of always of two minds now i'm like well i wonder

if marvel could have probably had a bounce because it didn't really feel like as mc u connected while they're in the void and shit yeah it didn't feel like oh deadpool and wolverine are in the MCU now like it doesn't have that vibe marvel's got a tricky thing where there's so much that is weighing it to other things that when it doesn't have those things it feels like it's missing them but when it does have those things it feels like homework yeah comics are tricky and that's the that's the that's the conundrum marvel is now in unfortunate that's why i love else worlds like that's why i'm excited the batman too is not in the DCU i love that the penguin and the batman are their own thing hell i'm even getting confused on peacemaker season two honestly the way how

they keep even with James Gunn saying like look what's in the recap is canon dimension is canon what's not like I now it sounds like I have to really memorize this stuff I think if you just watch the intro it'll be like last time on and that'll give you like what's important to the episode but like that's going to be very comicky in itself because it's like when you read the comic those little asterisk like see Marvel Tales 52 like that's very comicky I'm curious how audiences would handle that yeah all right well is there anything else you'd like to share um excited for the Batman. Glad it's going into pre-production. Check out my longer video. It's like 11 minutes about

box office. I've never done box office video and many people were mad at me on my page for thinking that I care about only money and art but show business is a business and I'd like to see more of these movies. So the business matters. You go to go see these movies. You want them to made. And I miss doing the show. This is fun. This is good to be back. This is fun. It's nice to have a conversation about this stuff. Yeah. Get it off. Machist. Yeah, I'm really excited for Alien Earth. You can give a, I haven't seen it yet. Did you like? Am I allowed to have seen it? yes it's amazing when i was describing it earlier i was trying to be like vague uh i think it's i think alien earth is not just the best um use of the aliens in long form that i could imagine

including the comics including the serialized things after two i think it's the best thing that has come out of the acquisition of disney by fox and yes deadpool wolverine happened this is alien romulus was my alien three that i waited my whole life for like alien aliens alien romulus is my trilogy now. This show is on par with that trilogy. It is mind-boggling good good at horror, at building tone, at inventing new lore and canon at, um, there's an element of the first two movies that I love where it's a commentary on the inhumanity of wealth and on how we don't allow people to care at a certain point in business. This extrapolates that to the cocoon theory. And as a believer of the cocoon theory, all of my, uh, things with robotics and AI that are

happening in our time feel like the show was reflecting. So it is such an interesting metamodernist take on the alien concept for today. And it's amazing. Happy to hear it, man. Happy to hear. Favorite show of the year. Catch coy, Aaron, and terrorism reaction to alien Earth. All right, man. Well, we'll get out of here. Oh, wait. Do we have questions? Oh, my God. I didn't even look. Oh, my goodness. It's been such a while. I do have a deployment. What happens? When's your next shoot? 2.30. We got 10 minutes. I'm golden. Yeah, let me see here Just making sure it wasn't that time

I have one fact check in the meantime It was Lily James Oh I said Lily Collins Thank you Sorry Lily James You're in the light as well I'm a bitch Wrong Lily

I'm a bitch Not Depp It's funny Daffmare Their question is pretty much The whole theme of your podcast Oh What was it?

Daff Mare said hello Coy and Greg and John I was wondering what your thoughts are now that we're a few weeks into Fantastic Four in Superman movies coming out engaging interest slash disinterest in superhero films moving forward. I wish we shouted you out at the beginning, Daffmare, seen your name

pop up before. Thank you so much. We just answered your question prophetically. Sorry, zipping around, got some weird news moments before we started recording, and sorry, I should have checked first. That completely falls on me. I'm sorry. But thank you for the question.

And Jay Rushton says, like will tear on Patreon? People can meet rejects on Zoom call there. huh maybe okay well we got no we got a few here

um cody enos my indie theater is showing an akira karasaro retrospective this month I was able to

double feature my two favorite movies akiru high and low do you guys do you guys make time to see special showings like this

or if a film is being projected on 3570 mill when was the last name he did oh my god you have no idea um jaws i got tickets for

nice September 2nd um the I had tickets to see Sunset Boulevard this weekend but I was so sick I couldn't go I was really fucking bummed about that

Black Swan on IMAX they're re-releasing I got tickets for that that's one of my top 10 movies of all time yeah whenever I'm able to catch a re-release of especially about IMAX one I try to go see I kind of I check weekly for these things there's another one that I'm friends with

Griffin from FilmSpeak and he there's a I think it's called Cinealounge They do constant 70 millimeter re-releases once a week for something. Like they do like huge movies. And I've tried to get, I got tickets for a seven samurai. Nice. I haven't seen it. So I was like, oh, it would be cool to see it in theaters.

And so yeah, I love, I love the re-release. Spider-Man 2.2. I got the Spider-Rin 2-1. Yeah, yeah. I try to see everything I can as well. I think we both love the theatrical experience. I love supporting the theaters. I love Hollywood Forever Cemetery quite a bit.

And this Saturday, they're playing Lost Boys, which is one of my favorite movies of all time, and an American world from London, which I've never seen. So they're doing a sleepover double feature. So I'm going to try to go to that. Any 70mm, like Interstellar and all the big re-releases I try to catch, I saw all of the Spider-Man when they re-released it last year with my fiance. She had never seen them. So it was really cool to watch them for the first time with her. And I will do anything I can to see those. But I'm actually trying to start hosting those.

I'm trying to do one at the end of this year for my Tide for Favorite Comic. of all time. If you know me, you know what that might be. It's the 20th anniversary. That's the, that's the tie with this other movie. Oh my God. Wait, I know it. Give me the first letter. Kay. Shane Black. Kiss kiss, kiss, me.

Yeah. It's the 20th anniversary. Kiss, kiss, bang, bang. So I'm trying to do something for that. And then next year is the 20th anniversary, no, 25th anniversary of one of my favorite movies of all time, A Night's Tale. So, you boys trying to get me and Alan Tudek to bro out and do a little repo. So

yeah, trying. Okay, I got tickets also. So for, this is how I treat myself, since I have to skip more movies for the channel here. Shin Godzilla, they're re-releasing in 4K. Oh, you're going to that too? Yeah, I got tickets for that. What theater are you going? I got to double check. It's on Wednesday.

Is mine on Wednesday? August 14th. I'm at Burbank 16th down the street here. So John's also going to Shin Godzilla. Teenage Media Ninja Turtles. Nice. August 17th going to that. So yes, we do.

Yeah, no. I get more excited about these than I do someone. It's so comfortable. Some new movies, honestly. You know you love it. Especially if I haven't seen it in the theaters. Yeah. Like when we were young, much younger, John, John hadn't seen the Godfather movies.

Oh, yeah. And it took him to go see Godfather one and two. That's cool. It was an Arclight re-release, I believe, right? It was an Arclight? Yeah. Oh, my God. It was amazing.

I'd never seen Godfather in theaters. And especially part two, I was like, wow, this is great. I love when they do, like, I hope that. Batman plays before the Batman 2. I love when they do releases like the week before so you get hyped again. Yeah, yeah. They're doing that for something. I was talking with Adam that we're hoping they do that for pray let pray get a man it deserves a theatrical release before. Because we got lucky to see it in theater. No one else did. Yeah. I'm sorry, what's the premiere. But yeah, okay. So we got one more question. We got to get coy out of here. Phoebe Ken's I recently read Superman for all seasons. Oh, thank cool. Oh, so cool. Love to hear that. That makes me so happy. I said think cool for the first time and kept thinking about when Clark went for a haircut and his hair broke the clippers. Then I thought about how many iterations of Superman uses eye beams reflecting on the mirror to shave his face.

All this time, I thought it was just a fun nod to using his abilities rather than a razor, but after reading the comic, it dawned on me that his hair follicles are just too strong. What are some of your favorite guys' favorite ways in which Superman's super abilities are highlighted in everyday life? I like when he uses his ice breath

to cool something down because I would do that with like coffee. Yeah. I'm a sucker for like a food. Like that's just so like, but to do. Yeah, that's kind of hard to beat.

Oh, wow. Ooh, I don't know if I've paid much mind to that, honestly. Like the day-to-day stuff? Yeah, I don't know if I've really paid attention

to that like too much. I'm trying to think of like even key moments. Like traveling in birthright, it just pops around. Like he flies to get to like places. I always thought that was like, I mean, yeah,

like shit like that. Of course, like, you know, that's why I've always wanted super speed. Yeah. So that way could get anywhere. Like the powers I've always been drawn to are things that would save me time.

Efficiency. my place would be so clean like teleportation if I had super speed my place a macular flying speed teleportation like that's what I'm drawn to or Professor X abilities to someone clean my house

I would be I would be spinning the world backwards constantly so I could fix things I forgot to do oh no the sound oh we're good here why they turn that sink on what do you mean there are no glitches here

wiring was immaculate but yeah with the with the shape that is shaving's a good one That's like the classic. Yeah, I can't think of anything else. I'm sorry, but down, there's a good one you pulled there. Anyway, yeah. Watch Smallville.

It's all that. That is sure. Smallville is Clark Kent using powers in very normal ways. Thank you guys for being here. Thank you for the questions. Thanks, Corey, for having this talk with me. I hope I uplifted your spirits slightly. You did.

You did. I went from dejected to more hopeful. Spider-Man's giving me hope. Dude, it looks so good. I can see the shield comments now, but I don't care, because I love this stuff and I'm happy. I'm running by you now on camera. Editors are not here next weekend.

We might need to do a live. It's still live. Yeah. Same time? Yeah, Friday probably. Okay. Yeah, we might need to just because I don't know if we'll have, I don't know. As long as we're having the same type of conversation, that's what I'd be.

I won't have the bandwidth to edit. Let's join next Friday. Yeah. So we'll let you know. Sweet. All right. Thank you guys. I'll talk of these soon.

Thank you.