The Reel Rejects - Marvel Trailer Leaks Are OUT OF CONTROL! (Avengers Doomsday & Spider-Man Brand New Day)
Episode Date: December 19, 2025Chris Evans Steve Rogers OFFICIALLY Returning in AVENGERS DOOMSDAY Trailer Reaction, Discussion, Commentary & Marvel News Breakdown! With reports and leaks suggesting Steve Rogers may be returning in ...Avengers: Doomsday, Marvel fans are once again divided — is this a bold narrative move, pure nostalgia, or a sign the MCU is course-correcting? Greg Alba, Coy Jandreau, and the Reel Rejects break down the bigger conversation around Marvel’s future, legacy characters, and why Steve Rogers’ return could fundamentally reshape the Avengers saga. We also dive into the Spider-Man: Brand New Day trailer leak, the growing trend of unfinished or unofficial Marvel footage hitting the internet, and the theory many fans are debating: are these leaks actually intentional? From audience manipulation to hype control, we explore whether Marvel Studios is quietly using leaks as part of its marketing strategy. This episode isn’t about shot-by-shot breakdowns — it’s about the state of the MCU, franchise fatigue, multiverse storytelling, and what bringing back icons like Captain America really means in the post-Infinity Saga era. We also discuss how Avengers: Doomsday could set the tone for Secret Wars, legacy crossovers, and the next generation of Marvel heroes. Join the conversation and let us know — is Steve Rogers’ return exciting… or a red flag? Follow Coy Jandreau: Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?l... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coyjandreau/?hl=en Twitter: https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYH2szDTuU9ImFZ9gBRH8w Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad: Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM: FB: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER: https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER: https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Transcript
Discussion (0)
At Fandual Casino, you get even more ways to play.
Dive into new and exciting games.
And all of your favorite casino classics, like slots, table games, and arcade games.
Get more on Fandual Casino.
Download the app today.
Please play responsibly 19 plus and physically located in Ontario.
If you have questions or concerned about your gambling or the gambling of someone close to you,
please contact Connects Ontario at 1866-531-2-6-600 to speak to an advisor free of charge.
Get you and your crew to the big shows with Go Transit.
Go connects to all the main concert venues like TD Coliseum in Hamilton and Scotia Bank Arena in Toronto,
and Go makes it affordable with special e-ticket fares.
A one-day weekend pass offers unlimited travel across the network on any weekend day or holiday for just $10.
And a weekday group pass offers the same weekday travel flexibility from $30 for two people and up to $60 for five.
Buy yours at gotransit.com slash tickets.
and display with the 3-1 megablocks preschool sets.
The building go race car revamps into a pickup truck and hot rod,
and the build and enchant unicorn transforms into a puppy and Pegasus.
Each easy-to-build set comes with rolling wheels,
26 blocks, and easy-to-read building steps,
compatible with other megablocks sets for endless big building fun.
Shop 3-1 megablocks at Walmart for ages 3-plus.
Insane.
two athletes from every state is like
I'm so down
it is the most linear
dystopian commentary I've ever lived through
I'm ready for it. They're called like Patriot Games or something here?
Yeah, it's great.
That's like a dystopian 80s title and for a modern
young adult dystopian novel scripts.
So real.
We live in such weird times. I don't know what's really
important.
Are we live?
I think it's the prehistoric.
But they can't hear us.
Okay.
So we're just here.
You could literally say whatever we want and they won't for us.
They'll never know.
Yeah, I was watching Indian rivalry with John and, um, I think I'm telling you this before we go
die.
Yeah, you got your OD rival.
I'm pretty sure I'm super, super gay now.
Super gay.
Before I was like, maybe definitely closet and my wife only heavily suspects.
Right, right.
It was her to suspect.
Now you suspect gay.
That's fair.
It's a thing not mentioning this.
It is not while we're live.
John, just make sure to give me a heads up.
Just give a way I don't talk about this.
The excitement of discovering your true self.
Have to be careful here.
Yeah.
Definitely being this careful.
A lot of message boards are thrilled to clip this out from Greg.
Man, if only people knew I leaked the Spider-Man Trail.
Man, if only how you did it?
I don't know, but I'm proud of you.
I'm like EG over here.
I signed up to be part of a trailer company.
They played the long game.
They didn't do it.
Fifteen years he's been waiting for the Spider-Man trailer to come out, and now it's time.
I've linked it myself.
That's right.
Every regular part.
Brought in a little handheld camera.
Good thing, we are not alive.
Otherwise, trouble.
Every show is a savior.
It's a crazy thing that nobody's traced all these leaks back.
He used his own IP address.
All the different things you've leaked over time.
I've leaked so many things.
All the Spider-Man-N-Way-home stuff is you.
That picture, you were like, Campia, don't run this.
Yeah.
Boom.
The King Leaker.
That's that went in doubt, can't be.
Talk about the genitals.
That's how you leak the new trailer.
You're like spider junk.
That's the file name.
Yeah, that's right.
Smash that.
There's a lot of character names that have a lot of innuendo.
Spider-Man.
No one's going to smash this.
Spider-Man is a chaste character, and with that, I am going to turn the microphones hot now
so that people can actually hear us.
Oh, now we're live.
And I'm going to cut to you in three, serious, and real.
yeah yeah one you guys are on camera be professional oh i've had a hard day today it's so serious
it's been very emotional it's not it's 10 o'clock having this hard day all right oh got my eyes
were sealed shut i got no eyeballs yeah you got weird eyes today man what's going on what's up
guys we go live every friday we're going live earlier because i got a date with the misses
because crittmas won't be with her on christmas because because
The Duffer Bros.
Are like, no, we got to release Stranger Things on Christmas.
Hell yeah.
What if you enjoy?
No holidays this year.
How about zero?
John and I will be here making love with each other.
We will.
And being like, no, we're not supposed to be watching heated rivalry right now.
We're supposed to be watching Stranger Things.
But we're on again just one more time.
Why do we keep watching heated rivalry?
This Stranger Things reaction looks on.
Honestly.
I would come in on Christmas Day for more heated rivalry.
I think we react to heated rivalry, but then we,
We put the Stranger Things footage over.
That's right.
So what people are watching is a reaction to that when they got Stringer Things footage.
So it just seems really weird.
No one knows what's going.
No one knows what's going on.
I'm really missing a lot with this Mike Gay Story.
Anyway.
I'm sorry, Will.
I was Will.
I'm a fake thing.
Wait a minute.
John, let's go to the Super chats.
Right away.
Who do we get right here?
They said Sebastian Yunz.
He's saying, we can hear you.
What do they mean they can hear us?
Oh, no.
what we didn't say anything that was incriminating
I mean no I don't think so obviously we
wouldn't not on air highly doubt it
no we don't sit in these chairs
and not know what we're talking about no who
who you see on camera is exactly the
conversations that we have all the time
off camera we can hear you there you're on
okay so oh oh I said uh let's go
thank you love you guys thanks for being our first super
chat for today thanks for going live
almost every Friday what a pleasure to be
here yeah
thank you buddy really appreciate you
appreciate you Sebastian
you're here every Friday
well guys before we kick
things off give you a little bit of a rundown it's
going to be real simple
Marvel's
leaks are
crazy right now
you think they'd have a handle on this
after 10 years I think they did
I mean they were like the most
locked down studio we had
yeah they were able to keep
Deadpool and Wolverine stuff under wraps
I had no clue
about that blade cameo
no most people I feel like didn't
That was such a shocker.
And that was the last move.
Like, it's been up until now.
I was incredibly, I imagine you were, too.
We didn't see better.
I was incredible.
I was like, what?
Blu by my mind-blowing.
But nowadays, they just put him in a chair.
And they go, Wesley Snipes and Avengers 2.
This is equally exciting.
This is how we do it.
His name is equally exciting as to having an actual reveal.
I see, yes.
And you know, this is like the Avengers, they have a four trailer release.
So we want to talk about that.
then they're going to have and they already have one that's out in theaters in theaters
it's already out there all right chris evans is back as captain america they're not
steve rogers according to what we've been told we're going to wait to react to it i'd like to
see the trailer that i've been told about clearly already been spoiled for us of what's it
every major publication makes it hard is what people don't know about us is we take we genuinely
on very sincere note we take the reaction part very serious part very much
Very, very serious.
When multiverse of madness, we watch, okay, so John and I watched Spider-Man No Way Home at the premiere.
When the trailer came on for Multiverse of Madness, we only heard it.
We didn't see it.
We literally, we close our eyes and look down.
There's no reason to stay married to this narrative.
Right.
This is just what we did.
This is what we do.
Yeah.
And we understand that's a big part of real rejects.
we take the reacting part very serious, especially if we know we're going to be capturing a
reaction for that on camera. And this one's going to be hard because we know the thing that
probably felt amazing to be surprised by. Yeah, yeah. So it's all going to be getting spoiled
for us. But we're still going to wait to watch the footage when it's actually out, even though
we heard what's in it already. And, you know, Spider-Man brand new day is having their leaks as
well. So we're going to talk about, you know, our thoughts on Steve Rogers coming back. And
and we're going to want to talk about lowly culture as well
and whatever you guys contributed
in the super chats and stream labs today.
Thank you guys so much.
We see summer coming in.
We're going to get to them
actually sooner than later.
So thank you guys so much for helping us out here.
The last couple of streams have not been monetized.
So this is a really big help.
Thank you.
But before any of that,
what's really important is that we say
happy birthday Tara Erickson.
Happy birthday, Tara Erickson.
Today is her actual birthday.
So if you guys
Be so kind
If you have a social media
If you can go to
Her Instagram
At the Tara Erickson
Wish her a happy birthday
I know it would make her a day
She seeks validation
Like nobody else
Go subscribe to the RagePod
Yeah
That'd be a good gift
Yeah
Go support her in some way
She's by a rainbow shirt
A windshield and a RagePod sub
Big part of this channel
Big part of this channel
So thank you
Thank you
Yeah everyone contributed
To Terra's safe light
Autoglass account
yeah yeah all right um so let's i'm just do a quick little preview here on uh what we're seeing in
the super so we want to get to them much quicker than usual today mix it up so yeah why don't we
just talk about the avengers doomsday stuff first okay based off what i'm seeing on these super
chats and then of course we have stream labs as well steve rogers is back
unceremoniously after actually keeping it a secret so what do you want to talk about first do you
want to talk about the the marketing plan or do you want to talk about the fact that
Steve Rogers is for sure back let's talk marketing first because I feel like that
ties into my thoughts on him being back okay first off my real question do you think
this was at all plan for it to be leaked no 10% of me thinks it's possible I think
that they released
the footage
to theaters and that
someone acting in bad faith
did this and that
they tried taking it down
and then lost the narrative and are now adjusting.
I think that
they were trying to do something bold and
they did that with the chairs and it worked. We still
talk about the chairs. They were chairs and it's
marketing that was effective to the point we're talking about
chairs. That is the lowest cost way
to advertise a huge thing ever.
I think they genuinely were trying to do
something that was going to get people in theaters to make the theater experience special.
I think that Avatar obviously is going to be huge no matter what, but I hear it's $300 million
budget.
So if you're needing to clear half a billion to get in the, you know, any sort of profit,
you're going to want to incentivize that.
I personally as a theater person, so I like that it was encouraging the movie theater
experience, but I think they didn't account for the 2025 of it all.
You've got, you know, TikTok culture is so much in theater filming.
There's so much of like, you hear these like viral moments of like talk and say this and act like this and like we like the TikTok awards were last night.
And there were people live streaming in the front row of them watching.
Yeah.
The first annual TikTok awards.
That's good.
People were live streaming in the front row.
Good music.
When there's the actual thing.
happening. It's fucking insane.
How would you experience what's there if you're
here? And then why would you want
people to, if you're filming the awards
you cut people on their phones, there's not
much more TikTok to that. So
like, I feel like the
culture, and it's hard because
they ended up donating a lot of money to feeding America,
which I really respect. I think
TikTok does a lot of good
for media, but I think that it's also
training a new generation to not understand
media etiquette.
And I think that's what's killing the theaters faster than anything.
So I love the idea of getting people back in theaters,
and I think Disney was trying to do that.
I think they underestimated the lack of morale.
Because it's a great idea.
It's a really cool concept.
Four trailers that lead up to something
and potentially three leading up to a big trailer
and weekly releases like a comic book.
I love all of that.
I just don't know if in 2025 we can have nice things.
I think it would be incredibly naive
for them to not consider all the things you said.
I think that they maybe didn't directly plan, let's leak it.
Sure.
I think they 100% new.
It would be, though.
That's where I'm at.
It's just so weird to have an announcement this big come out via people going, did you hear?
They know that leak culture is sadly.
This is like, this is the weird part about the zeitgeist, I guess it would be the word for it, that we live in, is that leak culture in.
because of the way audiences are now,
does promote a movie
while hindering the experience
simultaneously, yet
elevates anticipation, but
ultimately when you get to the final
product, it kind of dilutes it.
Yeah, weird. It is
psychologically weird, because everything you just said, I
totally agree with, but it's hard because
from a business standpoint,
they don't care. They don't
care. And they, they're
not stupid. But artists care.
I'm not, I'm not denigating the artist, I want to make that clear.
think it's important we separate we're talking about producing and marketing yeah we are here
knowing that well if you plan that if they said that to us like here's our plan we're going to put it
they're like well you can't do that it'll leak yeah we would know it at a leak right away there's no
we would know there's no version they would not be aware it would leak unless you take everyone's
phones in every pre-show like a concert or a comedy show yeah which they should have done if they
didn't want to leak they wanted it to leak when we saw um i think the no way home especially the way
the way how the leaks for no way home i think was an absolute change in how leaks would forever
go because unlike everything before where they they still try to keep certain things under wraps
of course i think they're trying to find some fine line here but no way home was unprecedented
and how much that made no way home way more popular like the leaks were insane more insane than
what we're getting right now like they were insane and they made more
people talk about and more people anticipate it way more than ever before. And then leak in theory
culture became even worse. Yeah. You know? And so I fully believe they 100% knew that this would
happen. And I think they were kind of counting on it. It's just so messy because it is such an
anticipated reveal. It's, it's what? 2018 was endgame? 19? It was 19. So it's been six years
since we've seen this character. Everyone wanted him back. Chris Evans showed up at some red carpet
it looking like Steve Rogers and everybody lost their mind.
So like, oh, we know what's going to happen.
And I love the idea of not announcing it in the chairs,
but giving him his own trailer.
That feels very much like a comic book.
That is completely undermined by the fact that we're talking about right now.
We heard about it by way of the zeitgeist.
Like, I'm not going to feel the same rush of watching that trailer.
It's impossible.
There's no reality where watching that trailer can feel like,
like it's happening.
But according to what I'm reading on certain posts is that there's a lack of audience reaction
in the theaters now. Maybe because they've heard about it.
Maybe because they all heard about it.
Oh, what a concept.
Like you said, if we saw Wesley Snype's name,
maybe we wouldn't be as excited if we saw it pop up and death.
But they don't care because they're talking about.
That's my point.
We are the problem.
We have been talking about it.
Everyone's been talking about it all week because it leaked.
Right.
It was ruined for me like five days ago.
Yeah.
And that's a long time to be like, well, and I still haven't seen it because I went to see
a press screening of Avatar, didn't have trailers on it.
So I'm never going to get that moment.
until they release it officially, and then I'll know.
And how silly would it be to think that they can truly copyright every single version of this that's going to go out?
They also can't copyright our verbs.
If we're walking around, we're talking about it.
But it's going to be, it's everyone on the internet.
Yeah.
You know, it's so the one that I saw that I was like, is this it that I thought it was real for a second?
I was like, oh, wait, this can't be real.
Is the one, have you seen it where Robert Downey Jr., it's like he goes to his house and he's
dressed up in like a green suit. He's confronting Chris
Evans. And I was like, oh, I can't believe it's got
rude for me. It's just
it's totally like an AI bullshit.
Like, oh, what the fuck? He's got rude?
I love that it's Dowdy in a green suit, like a regular
suit. Is it like just like a two piece?
I don't know. I didn't get a clear
look at it. It's an old-timey swimsuit.
Yeah, he's no more. But I love the idea of
Dowdy. He's like, hello. I am Victor. I hate
Steve.
Like, that's such a funny idea.
Oh, God.
a bummer man and so the marketing side
I love the idea of the boldness
the novelty I'm going with the optimism of
getting people back in the theater
and people that are you know
looking at the empire that is Disney
be like well avatar doesn't need it
I care so much more about the movie theater
than any individual movie and I thought I made that
clear with Superman like I loved
the movie Superman is my top five of the year I had an
amazing experience with it but I didn't love
that it went to VOD so quickly because I thought it would
hinder the movie theater actual industry
it ended up doing really well balancing
like the drop off wasn't as bad it did numbers on vod that all made me happy but at the end of the day
people went to see avatar previews attached to other movies people went to see dark night rises
previews attached to other movies there was an entire era where people would go right now the odyssey
people are going to see avatar to see the odyssey i know people that are leaving after the odyssey
i happen to enjoy avatar three if people don't care they still went to the theater to see something
before it that culture is important to the movie theater and i care more about that than
than the consumer.
The theater industry means more to me.
It is unfortunate that that can't exist anymore to scale.
You know what metric I'm looking forward to,
which I don't think we'll ever get because of what you're talking about.
Because we already know a couple people who've done this.
And it's like,
of course they've done this.
I did this with I Am Legend,
where they played the Dark Night Prologue.
Sure, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
Did I watch I Am Legend eight times?
No.
Certainly not.
I saw the Dark Night Prolog eight times.
And then I returned my fucking ticket.
Yeah.
And they're going to change things where it's like,
how many people will do that?
Right.
There's so many people that will do that.
But with A-list, they won't return it.
They won't?
Why would you?
If you've got four tickets a week and you're only going to see another movie that week.
They'll penalize you now.
Do they?
I think you guys in the chat can correct me, but I believe they added some features where it's like you can't, they don't want you to just willy-nilly book a seat and not care if you don't go so that no one else can get the ticket.
If you don't scan in, yeah, there's like three or four a month you can get away with until there's a problem.
Yeah, something like that.
But these people are scanning in, though.
That's not real promotion then for the theatrical experience.
That's just people, it's like, that's kind of like when people do ticket stubs for concerts and shit.
Like, they're not really, you're not really getting more quantity of individuals going to the theater.
But say a theater gets 40% that's still 40% and 20 bucks.
You think there'll be somewhat bought people who will sit through another three and a half hours of the same movie?
Because they want to watch another minute of Avengers.
I'm saying they're going to not stay for the movie, but once you've already scanned the ticket in,
and why would you take the effort to return it if it's A-list?
Yeah, they'll get money, but it's not the long-term game.
Sure.
Oh, yeah, yeah, 100%.
People back in the theater experience.
I'm agreeing with you.
That is not, this isn't serving that like it used to.
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
It's like we don't have The Odyssey serving the theater experience like I'm, I'm legended.
Yeah.
Well, actually, I have to imagine that the subscription model probably convolutes,
went back when it was simple and you were just buying a ticket,
going to watch this preview, and then leaving.
There's like a very simple trail there,
where it's like the subscription price,
how does that get divvied up
between all the movies
you go to in a month?
You know, though, I do agree.
I mean, imagine you like it.
I like the idea of the,
I like the concept a lot.
A lot.
Of the four trailers.
I think that's a really cool concept.
And weekly feels like a comic
and different character leads.
It seems like that's their plan.
That's cool.
Especially with the quantity of characters
that they already have in it,
it's a good way to make it feel like
there's some breathing room.
Maybe there's a way to do this,
you know?
And the first one being a reveal
instead of just being another person
we know for the chairs that's cool and it's smart with having it be with the russo brothers
going out there essentially saying it's a sequel to end game yeah to ignore the last 40
projects that have come out totally the move it's kind of like a sequel it's a great way to
have that be in people's mind right away it is like a sequel to end game because you're picking up
right with the last thing we saw in avengers end game i just put together i wonder if whatever's
in this trailer is part of what they're putting at the end of
end game in that post-credit scene.
I wonder if, like, say this is a minute.
Maybe there's two minutes at the end.
Because they're doing an extra post-credit scene
in end game. They've already said. Oh, the one where Robert Downey
Jr. shows up in his two-piece suit. And he's
at the door. And he's like, hello, I'm Victor.
That scene. He's a two-piece swimsuit.
You saw it. With a metal mask gone.
Nine months early, Greg, seen the scene.
But like, what if that scene?
People in the chat really want
a reaction to this AI slop clip.
Why is they only saying the same lines
He's already said in other movies before
That's so weird
Someone on a community post
I want to shout him out
Someone on a community post
pointed out something
When I said they were going to go live today at 10
And I was like
I did not put that together
That's so true
And I want to make sure
I just shout this person out
Because I can imagine
That the first person to say it
But they were the first one
To point it out to me
Which is
I come on let me find it
Then we can move on
Here
I do have a rim shot though
I can't see
Okay
Someone pointed out
Sorry
I should have shot it
He tried
Is that
They said
This would be
Chris Evans
Fighting Doom
for the third time
That's really good
I like that
I did not
That's a really good point
Yeah
That's funny
Well
He can also say
New Mask
Same task
Fighting Doom
But it's a guy
That's true
They both can say
That line had been it.
So let's, I want to go into, of course, with Chris Evans,
like what this means, what the, you know, some of the perhaps controversy surrounding it.
But before that, John, what did people super chat us?
Oh, my goodness.
We got a handful already.
Hopefully we can make proper chapter breaks for the playback here.
I was going to say, we want to pick it up.
Yeah.
Where we left off.
Even if one of these superchaps happens to go into what we want to talk about.
Let's shift over to the thingy.
There we go. We're on the super chat screen.
We've got Sebastian Juntz following themselves up.
Let's go. Love you guys.
No, no. We did that way.
You got to refresh it, but...
Oh, I thought we only did we can hear you.
No, no, we definitely did you.
We did it with a little one.
Wow, thanks for what we just walk right into that one.
Just speed run into that wall.
Don't you fret, you.
All right, all right.
Thanks for turning out, though.
We've got a lovely turnout so far.
Mitch!
Oh, what are your leading theories as to
why Robert Downey Jr. is
Dr. Dume. Money.
I do just flash to
the Comic-Con moment, you know.
Takes it off. Is this Robert Downey Jr.
being Robert Downey Jr. and his masks, you know.
Same task, new mask.
Or different mask? What is it?
Same task. Different mask. Same task.
Different mask, same task.
Yeah. What do you do?
My altruistic side thinks that Robert Downey
Jr. did miss
the Marvel Universe and wanted to challenge
and there's nothing more challenging
than going from the anchor hero
to the ultimate villain
and actually proving himself as an actor
like he left Marvel
to go to Oppenheimer
and to go do the judge
and to go things that
like he wanted to be challenged
this is a challenge
so altruistically
I think it's Robert Taney Jr.
wanting a challenge.
Pessimistically money.
Not Downy money
which is ample
but money from the perspective
of the business
wanting a bankable thing
and the intrigue of Downey
and us right now talking about it
is this is all marketing.
And they knew that announcing him at Comic-Con
would be huge marketing for that con
and then would be huge marketing
for the years to come leading up to the movie.
So financially, it made a lot of sense.
Does it make sense for the character?
I cannot fathom how,
and I'm very intrigued by that,
and that is something.
But I want to be altruistic.
The cool part of my fantasy brain
is hearing Jeffrey Wright as the Watcher's voice
explaining a world.
Yeah.
And like, what if?
But the what if would have to be, though, what if Tony Stark became Dr. Dume?
Not what if Dr. Dume looked like Tony Stom.
It all ties into Wonder Man, and it looks like actor Robert Downey Jr.
It's the best part about this marketing is like,
Wonder Man is getting properly promoted.
And it's getting dumped in one day.
Dump them one day.
January 27th, all of it.
All overshadowing anything with Wonder Man.
No trailers at all?
No, there are.
You just don't hear about them.
Yeah, there's like two.
They made it and they just didn't release.
Juju did a trailer with Yaya.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
I saw him talking about like,
I'm in the Straw Hac Goofy.
I'm in the Marvel Cinematic Universe now.
Canonically in universe,
talking to Trevor Slattery and Simon,
but he is Juju in that trailer,
but I haven't seen it.
Is Josh Gadd and Juju or MCU Canon now?
Cannon.
And then Koi did a reaction to it,
looking furious with jealousy.
That's my reaction.
Thanks, Mitch, for the question.
What's the next one we got?
Mine every week, mine next year.
All right, here we go.
Myunk, Rananavare.
Thank you for chiming in.
Hey, Greg and Coy!
Hello, from India.
The Avengers Doomsday teaser
did not play when I went to watch
Avatar 3 today.
Awkward.
I watched the new Rockstar's video
to know everything about the teaser.
Chris Evans!
I heard that's happening in some screenings.
That would be insane.
If that's the whole...
gamble that is so stupid you got to make sure you got that shit online because i heard it was attached
after the intro videos yeah like you go through all the trailers then you go through and then it's
like attached to the movie itself not to the trailer reel i'm wondering if that's causing the problem
where they're forgetting to attach the little boop in between because the way you slot digitally is
like there's an order that's supposed to be and they're all files but it's supposed to go in an array
that all precedes the guy driving and then Nicole kidman i'm wondering if that's an actual problem
because it's not where it's supposed to go.
When we used to lace film,
there was an order of where you'd splice the reel
to go in front of the trailer.
Digitally, it's just sliding,
but there could be a thing where the file's not meant to live there
and it's just not attaching.
Now, Mynack, I read your question as if you were,
you went only to watch the trailer.
And that got me also very curious now,
because I imagine you went to also watch Avatar 3.
But how many people would actually go
just to watch the trailer
and what does that say about the Avatar
franchise if they need
Avengers trailer to promote
Avatar. Avatar has to make so much money.
Yeah. Synergy.
Netflix should just buy them.
It's for the best. Let's move on to
Mike the Falcon. Absolutely.
Thank you, Mike, for chiming in as well.
Fail on not doing a trailer react
to Disc Day.
What's Disc Day?
discovery
Discovery Day
Oh that
The Steven Spielberg movie
Disclosure Day
Oh, Disclosure.
Oh
Yeah, it's the new
Steven Spielberg Alien Picture
No, we'll just watch it
Emily
We'll just react to it
But I'm excited he's doing another film
With David Kipp
Who also wrote Jurassic Park
And War the Worlds
I didn't need to look that up
I remember that.
He's also a huge UFO guy
So I'm really curious
Yeah
Thank you, Mike.
I mean, yes, Spilbert kind of pioneered
the alien genre, but he's a
prevailing part of pushing that forward in cinema
quite a bit.
And he came up with aliens.
I'm really curious to see him get another summer blockbuster.
I'm really excited for this one.
Yeah, like Ready Player 1.
Woo!
All right.
Hannah Daniels, thank you for chiming in.
Longtime watcher, first time commenter
bummed about rumors Sadie's
Jean Grey, hoped for 80s,
Spider-Man and his amazing friends
Firestar X-Men
intro. Well, that's what I
heard about the trailer. So here's
the truth. I
saw like a bit of it,
but it's so bad looking. I don't know how
anyone made sense of it. I didn't even
bother to watch it. I told this to
Aaron, who actually made the attempt
to watch it. And I was like, I couldn't
make out anything, so I didn't even bother watching it.
I have no interest in finding out
anything by way of blur. But to my
understanding, it doesn't tell you at all
who she is in the trailer.
It just has a hint
that's maybe a type of position
she might play by one line,
but even that,
what I heard is that
it actually opens up more questions
more than it does confirm
or give any clarity
on who she is, actually.
So she very well could still be Gene Gray.
I personally know,
it's disrespect to Hannah,
but I hope it is Gene Gray
and not Firestar.
Firestar would be a one-off
and Sadie Sink is better than that.
And I also,
I have no real attachment,
to the amazing friends other than the cute novelty of it.
But, like, I think Gene Gray got introduced heavily
in Ultimate Spider-Man, the 2000s run with Bagley,
and that was a really cool way to kind of have that teen-anxed play
from Spider-Man's Teen-Ax into the X-Men Teen Angst.
And Sadie Sink is, like, a force.
I want her in the MCU for 10 years.
I want her to, like, have a character.
Yeah.
I think she'd be a great Gene-Gray.
So that's what I hope it is.
Yeah, I think she'd be a really good Gene-Gray.
And I've been saying that since she was cast,
that she needs to be long game.
and if you want to introduce the X-Men,
start doing it in other giant movies.
I don't want to meet all the X-Men for the first time
in an X-Men movie.
Like, what we had, the beauty of the Avengers
was we'd met Cap, we'd met Thor.
Like, we built to the Avengers.
I don't want to just start the X-Men.
Like, here's the X-Men.
Like, it won't feel like we've gotten time with them.
Even if they've got 10 minutes of screen time
in another movie and build to the X-Men,
that'd be preferable.
Yeah.
Good point. Good point.
Well, before we move on to more super chats
and we've got some stream labs,
let's bring it back to the main subject at hand.
We're bobbing and weaving today.
We have a goal to actually end on the time.
I believe in the stream.
I believe in it.
So, Coy, let's bring you back to the main subject now.
Chapter break.
Chris Evans.
Yes.
What was your initial?
Because we actually heard about him returning a long time ago,
and it seemed like it was probably more than likely going to happen.
What is your initial feelings on it and have your feelings changed at all at knowing he is back?
to be honest
I think bringing back
any of the people
that died in endgame
or retired or left
undermines
not just phase four and five
but endgame
sure I talk all the time
about the perfect arcs
that the big three got
I love
I personally love and I
and there's a video of me
I think it was 2019 Comic-Con
I got to talk to Marcus and McPhilly
and we broke down the structure
of each of their arcs
and they talked about how
early they started planting the seeds of selfless to selfish from selfish to selfless and finding
of self like those three perfect trajectories that all interwe with each other with the three is
only possible in a 20 film running series that is so unique to the medium of shared universe
into comic books to get to accomplish something like that so to wipe it away is upsetting like
we're undermining it with downy for sure but now we're also undermining it by like
no matter how Steve Rogers comes back,
it's not going to be us thinking about,
hey, he finally made a decision for himself.
He finally decided to put down being a soldier
and he got to live not in wartime.
He finally got to make a decision that was about him,
not everyone else.
I love that inversion of Downey and Evans.
And now we're going to be getting an inversion of Downey and Evans
or an undermining of that by having him return
and either be too big of a factor fighting a Doom character
because it's going to be like Civil War again
but not the guy that is the face that he thinks he feels about face
or it's going to be like a relationship that he should have with Reed
or it's going to be leaning into his Nazi elements
that they've kind of askewed over time
his fascism in Latvaria is really tricky
because there's elements of Doom
that, especially in the recent One World Under Doom,
comic genius summer event,
that show how Doom sees his benevolence
as the ultimate in saving people
and all fascists do,
all dictators believe they're doing the right thing.
If we make it so obviously a Nazi parallel,
there's no reality where Downey gets to have
anything but mustache twirling to do.
So worst case scenario,
you're turning into,
to a red skull light.
Best case scenario
you're playing on
the Civil War stuff
which undermines Reed
and neutral case scenario
you're undermining
the brilliant arc
that you landed
after 23 films
to get to that point.
I don't see a net benefit
except for money.
It is one of the rare times
because when I would watch
any of these Avengers movies
I would think about
Tony Stark and Iron Man.
I would think about Captain America.
Now I'm like hyper aware
of the actor.
You know?
Chris Evans is back.
Yeah, I'm hyper aware.
I don't know how I would like see pass and only see Steve Rogers.
Like he's so good in the role.
He really is.
But I imagine I would.
I think that's a bunch of,
once you're watching the movie.
Yeah, once you're watching it or even I'm sure watching the trailer, it's like, yeah, Steve Rogers is back.
It does feel like, uh, I wonder if I, I don't feel like we needed to know this.
I feel like we didn't, I don't know if we needed to actually know that.
Maybe they have.
It has to make so much money
They've already ruined so many cameos though
Right
They've already ruined so many appearances
By the chair reveal that we keep going back to
Right
That I kind of wish they were
At least attempting to
You know how No Way Home didn't
Ever do a confirmation
Yeah
That Andrew Garfield
Like let us speculate
Let us rumor, let the leaks happen
But never confirmed that
Right
That way when it happens
And the first TV spot is like
Swinging
Yeah yeah
But we'd already all seen it
It already made a billion dollars
That's my point
Yeah. So I wish they kind of held off on that. But yes, it is a different time for Marvel now. So they do have to kind of get more butts and seats. And I don't know what the average audience member is like now, though, is what I see is a constant divide with with this. And I feel both feelings, if I'm being totally honest. I'm not trying to placate to both. I just naturally feel both. One side of me is like, I really like Chris Evans as Steve Rogers. So to see more of him sounds cool. And if you're going to.
going to do your big closeout and it has to be a sequel to the end game if you're going to bring
Robert Downey Jr. back. I guess you're bringing back too. It would be fun. I heard he might be the
lead in the movie, which is kind of weird to me. Because then that definitely plays to your point
of like, it shouldn't be a, it shouldn't be a Captain America or Steve Rogers versus Robert
Downey Jr. Doom. It shouldn't be, they don't want to sell us that this is a doom proper. Yeah.
It should be Reed then. And Doom, right?
but the other side too is a lot of people are picking up more on the desperation that this is feeling like and then the true nostalgia bait and granted that that doesn't seem to be as strong or as work as much as it did before so there's both this real optimistic and excited side where that still works and there's also this other side that is really negative towards the fact that they keep revealing all this and they're relying on these uh relying on these characters coming back which seems to undercut all the work they did before and then of course the
bigger conversation at hand because I've seen people already go back and forth about like they're
saying Steve Rogers is back not Captain America like yeah but it's not really going to help
Anthony Mackey's case you're like yeah it's still going to make people be like they should
just kick Anthony Mackey out and bring back Chris Evans and so and they it would probably be
more exciting Doctor Who is a great example I know you don't watch Doctor Who but you've heard of
the actors who played him David Tennant Matt Smith yeah
There, sometimes they do a crossover with the doctors because they deal with time travel.
There's one of the coolest crossovers ever is when Matt Smith and David Tennant have an episode together and they're working together.
That is only great because Matt Smith had plenty of time to be a great doctor.
Yeah, he was his own man.
He was his own doctor.
He wasn't in the shadow.
He wasn't like, just bring back David Tennant.
There was none of that happening.
if Anthony Mackey had that already with Captain America
and then Steve Rogers got to share the screen with him
then it would be so much cooler to me
it would be so much more exciting
and my worry is that the Russo's are the ones
who set up Anthony Mackey to be Captain America
and I don't want any type of
it's going to overshadow him right away
and I don't feel like it really helps the conversation
at all around Anthony Mackey
and this is coming from a guy who really didn't like
that Captain America Brave New World movie
I'm still rooting for him though
to, you know
I'm trying to say
My big tinfoil hat theory is
recently they relaunched Captain America
and it's written by Chip Zadarski
and Chip Zadarski is I think one of the best
comic writers. He did Spider-Man Life Story
he did one of the best runs of Daredevil of all time
the really long-running one that a lot of the characters
that are being adapted is from
Chip Zarski is one of the goats. He's incredible
sex criminals is great
he's so good
Zadarski both as an artist and a writer
but he's known for bold swings and them working.
Like Zadarski is a legend of Marvel.
He actually got started on Howard the Duck
after Guardians won, but he's great.
He just did Captain America relaunch,
and my crazy theory is
the ultimate universe that is the number one selling Marvel comic
is ending unceremoniously in January.
They're doing a big year two,
and then it's ending.
They're canceling all the ultimate titles.
Ultimate Spider-Man is ending at 24.
It is the number one selling Marvel title
week after week, month after month.
I think they might do a big
New 52-esque
thing and make
Cap and Doom enemies
in a bigger way
because the most recent issue of Captain America
I think it was issue four
is a much bigger Captain America
and Doom have a long rivalry
in a big way.
I know they made Amon Valani
a mutant because they wanted it
to tie in to the mutinness
of the MCU in the show.
I'm wondering if they're going to start doing that
with comics where like
you know Cap and Doom are really more
of enemies than you realized.
I think they're going to start changing the mediums to reflect the movies, not the other way
around.
That's the best default, right?
Right.
So you're like, if there's a comic, it's based on the comic.
What worries me is that it's alienating the comic fans if you suddenly make that more
important than it ever has been.
But also, this is the first time Marvel has been like the Patriots.
Like the Patriots won every Super Bowl for a long time.
So they were hated by default.
And then when they started not winning, it was so easy to hate them more because
It's like, oh, you don't have Brady and Belichick.
You guys aren't even a team.
To me, this feels like the Patriots
after winning like six Super Bowls
and they're going to be coming back.
I don't know if you can weigh on the Steve Rogers thing
in the way you could have five years ago
because the people that are saying
there's no reactions in theaters.
I don't know if that's true or not,
but I guarantee you it's being augmented
by people that aren't excited wanting it to be true.
Everyone, no one's going to text, tweet,
Instagram post about how excited people were
because it's not cool.
It's not in vogue to be excited for Marvel.
It's popular to be mad at Marvel.
So if there's a great reaction, we're not going to see the Thor landing with the hammer footage.
We're only going to see like, and that's all we're going to hear about.
I don't think they can play the same games they did before.
So they shouldn't have revealed it, in my opinion, because you're not going to get that hype.
They need to be the underdog, and they need to come out swinging and make this incredible movie.
But you've got people that are running a business trying to make sure they get butts and seats.
So it's a really hard line to walk.
I don't envy them.
I really want them to do well.
I don't think this was the move.
No.
John, are you, how do you feel about Steve Rogers coming back?
Can't.
Oh, no.
I'm so excited.
I can't even be on camera right now.
I mean, I'm dumb with you guys.
Like, I'm torn about it because obviously, yeah, it's like it's nice to give him a happily ever after.
And it's nice in the MCU to feel like there is something finite that can just be well.
round it and have an ending of sorts
and I mean this such a significant code
of that movie
it's one of those things where like everything
they're doing to your point is like
they're doing all these things that could potentially undermine
which is like raising the stakes in a fascinating
way but
like so much could go wrong and it feels
like there's so little I feel like it's
Dr. Strange at the end of end game where it's
like I've looked at every possible reality
and there's only a couple where this actually works
and I hope that we're really funny that's
exactly what I feel and I hope that we're
that reality, but I am certainly apprehensive. So, like, it's nice to have the anticipation
factor for some huge Marvel thing, but it's the first time that it's come with such a high
degree of, like, apprehension for me. That makes sense. But the, the big thing they needed,
though, is people talking. And it's working. People are talking. They are talking. Whether it's
cynical or positive, people are talking, and this is the type of cynicism that will still get people to
watched. Totally agree.
Yeah. It's not the type of like,
you know, woke MCHU and those people
who won't go. Do you have you seen the cast list?
What do you mean? When they did
like Brazil and they had like all the
cast like there's like four teams and they like put
up all the things. It's like dudes.
Like it was so funny that like when you actually
look at who's in this movie it's like yeah it's eight out of
ten dudes. Got a lot of dudes.
It was like they read every em and she you think they're like
we got to fire all the women. We won boys.
Yeah. We won fellas.
A lot of cock in the doomsday.
girls allowed in the tree house.
That's right. That's right.
Swinging that big old doomsday clock!
It's crazy.
It's like...
If he wears a big flavor of late.
I hadn't realized it was so dude heavy
until I saw the cast and I was like, they really did not
want this to be called MCHU. They are about
the man meat.
Trying to think of words I can say on YouTube, but it's heavy.
Yeah.
The sea stands for something.
I mean, the marvels
are deaf. I mean, I don't know about a mom
Volani, but Brie Larson has to be in this, and Tiana Paris has to be in this.
With the way that ended, yeah.
Yeah.
And I hope Amman Vlani is in it just so she can geek out.
I want Amman Valani to be in it as much as I want Miss Marvel to be in it.
I want nothing but Amman Valani and Tom Holland to interact.
Dude, so bad.
That's so much so.
That's my dream of watching people.
Well, it's because, like, she's playing the modern version of Silver Age Spider-Man.
Like, that's the character.
Miss Marvel is so much, like, our modern take on that character.
And Tom's doing Sedge God playing the modern Spider-Man.
want that. Yeah, I totally agree.
Before I move on to a little bit of Spider-Man
Talk, John, can we hop into
the stream labs? Thank you guys. Yes, of course.
We're seeing these are coming in. We are
going to be on track
today. I believe in us. Stream live,
super chat break, then Spider-Man
Talk. Heck yeah. All right,
let's switch out.
So the first one is from Stephen.
All right. It's the ban.
107 a.m. Hey, we're getting into it much quicker.
Hey, nice. Two and a half hours.
Hey. We'd like to be
expedient.
Stephen,
thank you for chiming in.
You said, last week,
sometimes you like to use recliners
watching movies and cinemas.
Well, in the UK,
there's a cinema chain
offering luxury pods
and beds.
My question is why.
Beds are for sleeping
in, not watching a film
in cinema.
Big love from the UK.
Oh, I think a bed is pushing it.
There are pods that I pick
where it's like, it lays down.
It's practically a bed.
it's like a seat that is all the way like like a like a like an airplane bed yeah like
those like a first class class class yeah that are not as comfortable as people might
they're not worth three grand yeah there's like this is really tight yeah it's way too much
for the time you're in it um a bed just seems like a bed though wait a bridge too far i imagine
like a tempripetic when he was saying that and you know like with settings and cooling settings
and stuff. I think that's a little too far because I think a big part is energy. Yeah,
I agree with that. And I think a bed pulls out energy. By nature. Yeah. Yeah. And you want to
distinguish experience from watching in your home. Right. You know, and comfort's important,
but there's too much comfort. Yeah. Like, I'm my point last week. Like, honestly. I feel like I'm in
my living room in the big squishy recliner chair and then I am not as engaged. I don't have anything
that comfortable in my living room. Yeah, I don't know. I don't either.
It feels like a thing metaphorically.
John's metaphorical lazy boy.
Well, and I don't, my back requires a firmer chair, I think.
So it's personal for me, but like a bed is ridiculous.
Like, don't go to the movies if you're going to be in bed.
Also, it encourages other bad behavior.
I used to work in an I-pick, and we had to throw out some blankets.
Oh, really?
That was about to say.
There were times that I had to make awkward conversations and take care of things,
and it was unpleasant.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
I did.
I worked there
50 shades of gray.
Oh, no way.
I worked there for 50 shades.
I worked there for bad moms,
which was surprisingly a horny crowd.
I worked there for like some,
uh,
for magic mic.
Uh,
I did.
I am button to button or two.
Made some money.
One of my biggest regrets,
not going to the theater with a bunch of,
oh,
dude.
It was amazing, dude.
That theater smelled like,
it was like,
it was like a moscy,
beautiful, like,
it was,
you'll have your first period at that screen.
A hundred percent.
That room was,
moist for days.
Horny 40-year-old women.
Yeah, dude.
It was the best.
That was like some of the most profitable theaters, too.
It was really solid.
But yeah, you don't want beds for a lot of reasons.
Anyway.
Thanks.
Let's move on to Asa'a Ali.
I mean, no, no, no.
Yeah, Hassan Ali.
Yeah, but I'm glad we're in agreement, though.
Haseena, Ali, thank you for chiming in.
Very shocking news in Hollywood recently about the death of Rob and Michelle Reiner,
legendary filmmaker.
Absolutely.
That was, I'm so, I think all of us are still kind of reeling.
from that. It's been a talk around here
off camera quite a bit.
You interviewed him
right? Not long ago.
He is a huge reason that I had so much
like I worked with the HR a lot
over the summer and into the fall because of him.
I did a New York Comic-Con
I'm sorry, San Diego Comic-Con. I had a bunch of
interviews and Rob Reiner's was the last of my
first day and
the chaos of Comic-Con they were running a little late and they
were all so apologetic and I was like, it's Rob Reiner.
I will stay until a little
11 o'clock at night.
It's not a problem.
So I tucked in and then when they got there,
they were like so appreciative that we waited
and it was not a problem.
But they were like,
if you want a little extra time
and I was like,
yes,
I would like more time with Rob Reiner.
So we talked before we were getting set up
and it was this really,
really special moment for me
because I'm a huge fan of his.
And I told him,
I was like,
you're one of the great living,
working directors.
It's actually an honor to talk to you.
I talk to people for a living.
I don't get this excitement as often anymore.
It really means a lot
that like you're here
and thank you for being at Comic Con
and he's like so
you're a little intimidated
or you excited?
Like he was like challenging me
and I was like little of both
he was like that's my boy
and we had this really like fun
like set up banter
that made me really excited
in all the positive ways
and hearing his voice
was like hearing childhood
that man's voice is so many iconic things
whether it's acting
or what he produced
like he's also an incredible TV producer
behind the scenes footage of TV for him
is like so many things
but like as a director
he was seven for seven across genres
and it should
changed my view of what our director could be.
So to interview him, we were interviewing about this is Spinal Tap 2.
And this is Spinal Tap is, I think, the greatest mockumentary ever made.
I hadn't seen two yet at the time.
But talking about it was so exciting because it was so meta, and I love meta.
And I think the first one was like ahead of its time meta.
And it was before the second one to come out.
And we were talking about the meta nature of modern society.
So I got to dive deep into Meta Modernism with someone that can actually talk my language about it.
I got to talk about all these things.
But I made it 80% about that, 20% about the rest of his career.
and the excitement he got talking about
how the bucket list was something he invented
and now it's modern lexicon.
The excitement he got finding out that like
the Superman press tour
we framed so much around the Princess Bride
because that's Corn Set's one of his favorite movies
and Ryder loves Superman.
So there were so many things that I got to like give
someone that gave so much to me joy.
But the interview itself was going to be like 10 minutes
and ended up being 25 I think
and we trimmed it down to 15 for the cut.
But the whole time we were like
in this great sink and it was like
I'd known the guy forever.
He made it so comfortable
and he was so giving
with his time and energy
and after the interview
he thanked me a bunch
and we ended up talking again
and then I was at a party
over the weekend
at a Comic Con
and his team came over
and they were like
hey that was Rob's
favorite interview of the con
and he was so glad
he came down for that
and he like
we had this really special moment
with his team
and I was like
I'm honored
you guys came to tell me
this this means
that gave me the juice
to deal with 20 bad interviews
like I was like
oh my God this is everything
and then I found out
he asked me to come
and interview
the Spinal Tap cast himself
to THR.
So I sat down
with the Spinal Tap
musicians, not with the actors.
I sat down with Spinal Tap
in character
and I needed to stay in character.
So I got to do improv
with legends for 20 minutes
an episode of TV
in character.
All my questions had to be
about their character.
It was so special
and I found out
it was because he asked
that I come
and then I found out
at the premiere of the next night
they all asked where I was
because there was
going to be originally
the first draft of Spinal Tap
their friend named Koi
was in the script
and they'd never met another coy
so all of the guys were so excited
Rob had told them about me
like I left an impact
and Rob Reiner to the point
where I got brought back in
and like that dude did not have to be so kind
he didn't have to like he's a legend
and we spent a lot of time together
and then he helped further my career
like he went out of his way to make sure
he like when I meet someone
and they're good at their job
I always like to make sure people know
he did that himself for me
and he's the legend
so this death is like
it's brutal because no one is that
kind and no one is that much of a legend that actually still remembers what's it like to just
be getting started or just be like adjusting your stuff and he went out of his way to like really
support and uh just a really good dude and like so warm so pleasant it's been fucking me up so yeah
crazy and the way it happened is always going to be like an asterisk in his career which is awful
like i hate that like now we're talking about him and it's not you know about princess bride
or bucket list or you know my girl or his infinite number of career attributes like this will always be
something that comes up in it and i and i hate that
for his legacy.
I feel your pain.
It's been, yeah, it's been a rough week.
It's been, usually stuff doesn't hit me because, um, you know, it's, I don't like
parasocial relationships.
I think it's gross when there's that thing.
We're like, I totally knew them because of their work.
And I get that it's human nature to connect.
But usually it's like people profiting off of other people's death that really bothers me.
Like all the posts that are like, well, this is about me in my experience of.
So I haven't really wanted to talk about it too much.
But I also think that he did affect me in such a specific way that I want to honor that.
Um, so it's been a tricky week.
Yeah, it's been hard.
He's a very special guy and his work, hopefully last lifetimes.
I think it will.
Well, we appreciate your vulnerability and we appreciate you being, uh, very honest about it.
Thank you for sharing them.
That was a long answer, but hopefully.
Rob Ryder meant a lot to me.
Rob Ryder means me.
Is that worth $3, man?
Rob Ryder means a lot to me.
He's a very special, very special artist and creator.
Thank you.
Thank you for sharing that.
That's part of the best.
Best thing I could have been said right now.
Thank you.
The way we keep people around, you know?
Yeah, and that's what I want.
I want to always have a, you know, a little anecdote or memory or attachment, too.
I rewatched when Harry Met Sally, like an honor.
And I definitely will be watching Princess Prior to the Holiday because I always do.
But yeah, it's going to have a little bit of a different flavor right now.
I've never seen one Harry met.
Oh, dude, it's the best fall movie of all time.
Oh, that's my favorite series.
It's an autumnal film.
Add it to the reaction list.
Hey.
And I got to do my, my girl.
Never see my girl?
Dude, I don't think I have seen that.
I would argue he went seven for seven
with his debut onward, and that's insane run.
All right.
Well, thank you.
Thank you so much, Hussein.
Stephen's back.
Stephen.
He says, went to see Avatar Fire and Ash this morning,
and it done what I feared.
It focused on how it looked,
which looked stunning,
but lacked on story or connection to characters.
The major was disappointing in this,
but loved him in the first two films.
Coy, fight this man.
man, fight Stephen.
I think...
Coy loves Avatar now.
I think it's...
I am one of the most casual
avatar goers.
I really enjoy the spectacle, but I rarely
connect to the films. The first one I think is
revolutionary in its visuals, and I remember
thinking fondly of the theatrical experience, but
when I revisited, I'm like,
I'm happy, James Cameron's
happy. And then the second one came out, I was like,
it's better than the first. And I was like, I don't
care about anyone. And I feel like
that movie is really trying to get you to care. So I was very
upset that I couldn't connect, went back and saw it a second time and felt even more disconnected.
So I went into Avatar 3 like, I'm a see some shiny.
And I was excited for shiny.
I think that helped me because instead of expecting cinema, I expected shiny and I actually
got cinema.
Like I was connected to the characters way more.
I cared way more about the family.
I actually personally, disrespectfully, I mean, disrespectfully, disrespectfully disagree.
I connected way more to the general now that he wasn't just, I'm a bad guy.
I think Stephen Lang did a good job not playing
I'm a bad guy for all three films
But this time I actually felt the nuance of why he was torn over his son
Versus just I'm torn because the script says I need to be
I also really like the concept of Jake Sully
Being an inspiration as a father
To someone that doesn't know how to be a father in a way
That would feel so counterproductive to him as a man
There's a lot of really interesting masculinity concepts
And most of all what I like about the film is
There's so often man versus nature
Like there's the three main trips
Man versus Self man
man versus nature. Rarely is there nature versus man, wherein nature has to have the strength
that we should in life. I am someone who struggles politically because I consider the people that I
identify with more often than not as fairly toothless. And I really struggle in modern society where
like society feels like it's crumbling, identifying with people that are bitches. And the movie
actually decides to show that you can be someone that believes and cares for others and not be a
bitch and it made that a plot point
like there's an entire third act where it's like
hey I know we've been doing this for a long
time and we've decided to be pussies but maybe
we don't be pussies now and I like that the movie
decided to like show some strength in also
being empathetic so I fuck with it
all right
not the popular opinion
but you made me appreciate it more
I'm glad it really is my favorite one
yeah
I liked it more than the first
okay
live it at that John and I talked about extensively already
you can go check out our
You guys are you guys streaming right now.
Mario Rejects YouTube channels.
You did pretty well.
I thought it was okay.
I got a non-spoiler and a spoiler review up on my page
that I get into way more at length, but I'm glad
we all thought it was fine.
End up.
For the most.
All right.
All right.
Thank you, Stephen.
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it as much as coy.
George Green.
Thank you for chiming in.
I kept saying, my girl, stand by me.
I'm so sorry.
My girl.
stand by me
I just want to make sure the chat
thank you for correcting me I appreciate
well we don't stand by that error
George Green thank you for chiming in
hey guys a few months ago
I let you know that Greg inspired
me to lose weight and get in shape
here's the update on the progress
I have lost a total
of 132 pounds and seven months
608 down a 476
thank you for being such an incredible person
and inspiration
Damn, that's impressive.
132 pounds in seven months is incredible.
There's no way you can make your progress about anything I did, man.
That was all you.
Congratulations.
That's very impressive.
I think the heavier you are.
Wow.
A lot of people don't compute it is that, oh, obviously, the heavier you are, the easier should be to feel motivated to lose weight.
But really, that puts you in some type of.
cycle where you can actually shame yourself you escape with more food you're like when you feel
bad about yourself that's how you end up getting to a point where food becomes like very
addicting i mean there could be like genetic reasons and whatever but a lot of the time it is
it is a drug that it becomes and so they say a lot of it's psychological so this is also the
discipline to say no to things you're tempted to have even if you're honestly even if i think even if you
are if you do ozambic or manjaro i'm not so
saying you do, but even if you are, that's still impressive, you know, because there's a lot of
people who do that, and they don't lose weight. So all the credit goes to you, man. Congratulations.
That's very impressive. Very impressive.
Absolutely. Beautiful. We talk a lot about fitness. You and me. Off, off of, off camera,
we do. It's a big part. This is a very, very slow backdoor pilot for fitness podcast.
Yeah. The 10-year plane. Really impressive. No, commends, man. That's that's insane.
Absolutely. And then Dan,
for now closing out this chapter of the super chat of the stream labs dan v 900 says my big worry with dooms day and with steve back is even more of a major concern is that we aren't digging into the doom and reed rivalry as you guys have brought up
steve versus an alternate tony feels very lazy just feels desperate and grasping for money no faith in the characters too in the new characters i feel like that is the biggest disservice which we like briefly touched on i feel like
is the biggest disservice that you'd be doing to this. Everyone knew. Like when I hear Steve Rogers
is back, it pits it back more to the fact that it's the face of Tony Stark and then it's probably
going to be more on that emphasis of the face of Tony Stark and Chris Evans, who is, you know,
altruistic Captain America guy and who has to contend with this and we'll probably have a
hard time fighting this gentleman. And it takes away from the thing that we have wanted in the
MCU with Dr. Doom is that we haven't gotten a really good adaptation yet.
Yeah.
Mr. Fantastic fitted against Dr. Duke.
We just haven't gotten that yet.
And bringing Steve Rogers back seems like there will be more emphasis on that could be wrong.
Very much could be wrong.
That is the main concern that I do have is robbing us of that.
What's tricky for me is that I can do the thing that I always, you know, I always have
to do with comic movies is you have to.
separate the comic from the movie because it's not an adaptation or a translation that's meant
to be directed is a adaptation that's meant to be like for the medium of that's why civil war is
not civil war that's why you know when you translate a thing and i get that the mc u is doing
something different with these characters so if i somehow put that hat firmly on and ignore
70 years of character work 60 plus years of character work with doom i still have to contend
with the fact that they're undermining phase four and five like even if i just look at the
movies. If you're bringing back, I've been saying since end game ended, they're going to do
playing the hits if they have trouble with phase four and five. And now that they're playing the
hits, it really does make every album they release since then not on their greatest hits
CD highlighted. And that's a real bummer because this was supposed to be Shung Chi. This was
was supposed to be Kang. This was supposed to be Fantastic Four. This was supposed to be these new
characters. And now it just can't be. Yeah. I concur. So guys, I'm going to give you a two
minute heads up. In two minutes
we will be disabling the super chats
from coming in. We will of course do every single one that
does come in. But
in two minutes we will disable it.
And yeah, so thank you guys
because we know we got a good amount that we do
have to go through.
But I'm previewing them.
Just wanting to see if any of this stuff would pop
up in here, but apparently not. So let's just take a few
minutes, Coy. We'll call this chapter
of the Spider-Man brand new day talk.
I don't know of respect whatever you want.
I don't want to know anything in the trailer.
You don't want to know Jack.
If possible.
Okay.
Then I won't tell you.
I now know Sadie Sink is in the trailer.
I didn't know that until I sat in the show.
I don't know if she's in the trailer, but you hear her voice.
Okay.
Didn't, but yeah, like that's, I've avoided, I need to be off the internet anyway, but I've
avoided specifically Spider-Man brand-new day because it's my number one comic movie
next year.
Well, IGN, but when it comes out officially, we will have a very in-depth video to talk about
that, and that's going to be a great day.
We'll watch the trailer that day.
To my understanding, there's like a.
a couple of things, I won't say any
specifics, there's like a couple of things that
raised questions about are they going to do
this in it? But for the most part, it's things
we already know. You know, punishers in it,
Hulk's in it.
All the things
we've talked about before, the villains that we
know are going to be in it.
Full trailer. Yeah, it's a lot of things. But then
there's like a couple of poses and
the, you know, and there's a line from
Sadie Sink that has people
speculating about what roles she
might have. And like, IGN,
New masks seem to have.
Yeah.
Like, why is everyone saying this?
What is that tagline?
So to me, the surprising part about this leak is this is why I have such a tinfoil hat on about, is this really an accident?
Reason.
Because then a better quality version went up, apparently.
Of Spider-Man.
Of this trailer.
Yeah, apparently it was a better quality version that was circulating.
Okay.
And, uh, you know, like, the, with no way home, they had an exact situation happened where a bad quality unfinished version went out.
Yeah.
And the internet loved it.
Mm-hmm.
Just like right now.
They loved it.
And we already saw, because, and the reason why I'm saying, like, I don't feel like it might not be as accidental as we think it is.
because a lot of what's in there,
imagine if we didn't know the Punisher was in there.
Right.
Imagine we didn't know Hulk was in this movie.
Imagine we didn't know those things.
But they announced it in the trades.
Sure.
And then they let us see a lot of shit on sets
where they knew the public would be taking photos.
They let everyone in on it to make us sort of feel like we're seeing shit that maybe
we shouldn't be seeing.
It was great marketing.
Great marketing to make it have the, uh, the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
feeling of a leak or something we shouldn't be.
But then closed off the dialogue days.
Like they had specifically the shots we saw him swinging and stuff.
They did in the same area they did dialogue and they closed those days.
Yeah.
Which I thought was genius.
Because we didn't get plot leaks.
And I'm saying that it just seems like a little naive again and a little odd to me that the exact same thing would happen with the next Spider-Man movie.
Which is out even sooner than Doomsday.
Yeah.
Batman, like, actually is around the right time for a new trailer.
Like, how can they not have, if they really wanted this shit to be nipped in the butt,
don't you think they would have been like, okay, what went wrong last time?
Right.
Maybe we shouldn't let the exact same thing that happened happen again.
Also, brand new day is not meant to be attached to Avatar.
So, like, where was this trailer shown?
Like, how is this trailer leaked, is my point.
I don't know, trailer companies and maybe for editing purposes or something like that
because you get a lot of, like, VFX.
There's a lot of different steps
Because there's unfinished VFX
The timing's crazy with an avatar
Like I'm just pointing out that like Doomsday
That's out in theaters right now
So that leak at least chronologically makes sense
And then for months there was rumors
That the trailer would come out with Avatar
Right
So this to me
This thing on actually
A big
Willernette big spidey guy
Demanded it
I'm just saying it's a little odd to me
That a lot of these things
They seem to have gotten a handle on
and then suddenly they don't have a handle on it?
I'm very suspicious that this is all some giant accident.
Yeah, it's hard because I don't think Sony would ever be like,
here's an unfinished visual effects trailer,
but then that's plausible deniability.
But that worked for them.
And that's crazy because, like, you're right.
I vaguely do remember that with No Way Home.
But at the same time, I was,
I released the No Way Home trailer with Tom,
and they wouldn't even let me see that trailer without security guards.
Like, when I did that big event with Tom Holland at the theater, they played me the trailer in a private room that had security outside it and inside watching it.
And they let me watch it twice so I could like host Tom.
That was how they treated that trailer.
That was the final trailer.
I'm saying that I think, no, I think back then.
Yeah.
I think when that No Way Home trailer leaked, I think they were a fucking furious.
Right.
But you're saying like they saw their effects.
Now they're like, yeah, I think.
But now that relied on like the Andrew Garfield blue screen.
We should disable the super chats, John.
i i capy tan um they they uh thank you guys whoever got the last super check congratulations
but yeah the uh i think i'm just beating a dead horse here me like come on i hear you i'm not
disagreeing yes is it a conspiracy theory absolutely sometimes they're true but you know what
it just seems a little lot they've had a sony's had a lot of fucking movies they've had a lot
of movies after no way home that are in their weird stupid spider man universe and a couple of them
good like the spider like the actual um it is always morbin time for john yeah the morbid time
yes john what i get you for christmas last year got me morbi as like figure i got him a statue
statue i got him shot a morbid statue because for john it's always morbin it's always morbin we respect
the name morbin this house we do we respect this bump yeah i mean like if there was any
giant reveal in it that was like a game changer compared to what we already know
we would already all know.
You know what I mean?
I'm glad the trailer didn't give anything away
other than hyping up what we already knew.
It's just a little bit of additional information
on things we already know.
And seeing it, which is exciting.
If it's good to see,
but it's crazy to me that I think my big thing
is you can never see something for the first time first.
You can never experience confirmation
for the first time first.
I agree.
And I think with both Steve Rogers
and even Punisher,
I don't ever want to see
those characters interact in a blurry handy cam
signs video. You know what I mean? I want to experience it properly. So it's crazy that either Marvel or Sony would ever be like, this is the way we want to, even if it is causing word of mouth, I hope if this is the conspiracy that you have, that in the future directors are like, hey, that's not going to happen without my movie.
Like I get your marketing. I'm going to put it in my contract. You can't leak my trailer. Because I wouldn't, I'm so glad I haven't seen Hulk interacting with Spider-Man in some handicam footage. I want to like experience.
experience it because that's like my childhood coming to life so it's crazy they'd leak it if they did
but i hear it sometimes studios do that i mean it's different sides there they're sometimes they
they used to try to do a tongue-in-cheek version we were asked to have one time for um for i can't
i figured what it was um i think it was the suicide squad where they had sent a trailer early to
like this almost when i say almost never happens i mean this is
happened on one hand when they sent a trailer to us early and they sent it to us early and they
were like yeah we wanted to kind of feel like it may be leaked that i remember that that was part of the
talk wow i don't know if i just broke some fucking important or so shit from like five years ago
i don't remember what movie it was but uh yeah uh but yeah that i remember them saying i'm
like that's fucking odd wow um but then they weren't copywriting and stuff and then they're like
oh they're not copyright whereas they're definitely copyright they're copywriting now so that's
lean suspicion.
I'm like,
but that would be
the smart fucking thing
to make it look real, huh?
And then there's also
the AI element.
Like I,
I heard that the Steve Rogers
footage was AI.
And then people went to the theater
like, I saw it in the theater
is real.
So like,
I think it's interesting
we're living in an age
that we won't have
the certainty of knowledge
until we see it for ourselves.
It's a weird world
we live in where real shit
it looks AI when it's not.
Yeah, you've asked me a few times
about like,
hey, is this, like, can you tell
if this is AI? I don't know if this is AI.
And, like, usually I can because
of lighting stuff, there are times, like, I'm actually not
sure anymore. We almost watched a trailer
here last week, because I thought it was real. You were so
excited for a reptile. Greg was
so excited. Greg felt
for a full AI trailer
to set a patch. It just seems like something Jason State then would just
Google. Look that up on
YouTube, people, because the thumbnail
alone is magnanimous. But, like, we're living
in an age where that's, and what's good
about it to me is that trailers
now we can have that suspension
of disbelief and I think that's actually a positive
like I was saying with Spider-Man I was glad
they seemed to be leaking fake villains
I was glad when the Rousseau's did that Hulk
scene in the trailer for Infinity War I like
when there's misleads the only
benefit I can see in AI is that there
is that possibility of mislead now
but what's interesting is
I mean that's there's 99.9%
negatives with generative AI
especially when it comes to not knowing what to believe
see the next election but
with trailers, I think it gives
us an opportunity to be like, well, that might not be true.
I want to go see it for myself.
So I'm hoping, I don't know if that's the case with Spider-Man.
I've heard it's not the case with Steve Rogers,
but I'm hoping there are things like
your Doom experience where it's not
downy in a green suit, like blah, blah, blah, blah.
Maybe we'll get more chances to actually experience stuff
for ourselves because there's so much fake shit.
Yeah. Oh, well.
I'm still excited for Spider-Man.
I'm so excited for Spider-Man.
All right. Well, that's that. Let's continue
these off. We have a hard-out
well I do at 12 regardless I am leaving
he's out the door all right
so let's give quality efficiency
and thank you guys this is quite a quantity we've had today
certainly the mornings are the time to do it
and also the topic
could also be the topic
the real topic could be a big thing
didn't do trailers that people are mad at us for
sure are doing the topics
well I mean too this could be just a big old
experiment and a way of like kind of
I don't know casting a wide net for people who like
I don't know, there are people who want leaks,
and there are people who are adamantly against them,
and maybe we can play to everyone.
I don't know.
But you know who might know is Mike the Falcon.
Oh.
And we did that.
We already got that.
No, we left off on the guy asking about Wolverine.
Okay.
There is.
Cool, cool, cool.
This one?
Sundar Singh.
Yeah.
Thank you, Greg, for keeping track
and doing my job for me.
Sundersing!
Thank you, guys.
I've been watching.
Thank you, by the way,
for over five years.
What do you guys think of the new Wolverine trademark that was recently filed?
I 100% think there's another Wolverine movie coming after that interview that he did with Cynthia Riva.
Did you see it?
No.
There's this clip going around of the actors on actors where he was expressing how he completely did change his mind on Wolverine.
He didn't want to just come back for a one-off.
He said, like, I don't feel like it's done.
I don't think it's done.
That means he's bad.
he said he felt like after he just changed his mind and he was saying that with logan he said in order to get things done he felt like he had to treat it like it was the final thing like things that he wanted to happen that he had to fight for yeah had to be treated like it was the final thing in order to get it done which i understand based off of that story the r rated elements of that film yeah because that was the first true r rated movie not including the the wolverine extended cut or whatever that that wasn't even that
hard art. So, yeah, like, I believe that. And people do change their minds. And he seems like
genuinely reinvigorated by it. And we know he's wanted to be part of the MCU for a long
ass time. I want that for him if you want to. And then this merger happens just when he's
you know, like it's got. Let Wolverine play. He wants to be the part that does kind of, like, I love Hugh
Jackman as Wolverine. Like, of course I do. I'm excited. I can't lie. I'm like, yeah, I lie. But same time,
this trademark does seem like we're probably
get another solo Wolverine movie
I just don't think he would be part
of the new X-Men and that means we want to
get a new Wolverine for a very long time
I still think we shouldn't get a new Wolverine for a long time
I think that the X-Men but the longer
he's Wolverine the longer we start
that journey don't get Wolverine as part of the X-Men
Now that he's already come back it's going to be a
10-year thing until someone sees
anyone as Wolverine like already so
like maybe let him play him again that goal post
just keeps going to keep further and further
and it's going to get harder and harder and harder for
him to keep it up.
I don't envy his routine.
We were talking about
someone losing
crazy amount of weight
in seven months.
That dude's 50 something
to be in that shape
at that age is insane.
After a while
he'll probably have to stop
doing like shirtless.
Oh, I can't imagine.
It's just his skin.
I could see him
maintaining me
and we'll bring him well into us.
I could see him
Tom Cruise and
certain actor Liam
Neeson have proven
you can do action movies
and be the guy doing the action
well into like your 60s.
I think he can maintain that.
I just don't feel like
he can do shirtless scenes
after a certain point.
It's not healthy for him.
Since the body is associated so much,
the physique of that is associated
so much with the character.
Whereas like Tom Cruise doesn't need to get
naked admission impossible, but he still does.
Got a leather jacket.
Yeah, exactly.
You don't need to keep taking out of your shirt, man.
But go nuts, Tom.
Go nuts.
If you want to.
If you feel happy, go ahead.
Dude, that digger trailer is so funny to me.
That's an interesting experience.
I am fascinated by what Tom's doing next.
All right, moving on.
Let's go, O'Green World Needle Drop.
All right.
Sorry, I'll always ride for gorillas.
Love Star. Thank you for chiming in.
Moron Joxi, my favorite duo.
Thank you very much.
Roxy and I'll be back, I'm sure.
Don't worry.
We get together.
It's the combined duo name for when Roxy and I are together.
We're also drippy moist.
We have a lot of, you know...
We have fun around here, gang.
But Roxy and I'll pop back up in something soon, I'm sure.
That's what I think Trump taught us.
Nicknames.
Yeah.
And get people to like you or dislike you.
I'm hoping they with the nickname.
Drippy moist.
Absolutely.
I don't think there's anything
on the schedule for you guys yet.
No, but some vampire thing
will pop up someday, I'm sure.
Yeah, and then we'll do it.
It's nice, because, yeah,
I get to do something with, like,
Tara and Roxy every once in a while.
It's very nice.
My dream is to find a Boston movie
neither of us have seen.
I don't know what it'll ever happen.
We're pretty thorough, but that'd be cool.
All right, all right.
Well, get on that.
Suggest some Boston movies in the chat, people.
Hannah Daniels, thank you for chiming in.
Why is Marvel theater baiting us?
Imagine.
Steve Rogers revealed then
killed in the opening, no leaks.
Doom, unseen, but
deadly, instant stinks.
I fucking hate that.
I'd be so mad.
Bring him back to kill him.
That's like fucking Terminator Dark Fate, man.
Fridge him like it's the 1980s.
I even started watching Terminator Dark Fate
like two weeks ago again because we
watched Terminator 2, so I just want to like continue on.
And even rewatching that opening
where they kill off John Connor, I'm like,
this fucking movie.
right away.
This just puts a bad taste.
Like they should have killed them all.
They should have had these.
I'm like,
you still could have had that scene.
Later.
But put it later.
Yeah.
Like put it later.
It's a time travel movie.
Kick your movie off with this and put a bad taste in the audience's mouth.
And I think that would have done exactly.
Dark fate came on a very edgy time.
That felt like such an edgy choice to open a film with.
I would struggle with that Steve Rogers choice because it would undermine all the things I'd ranted about earlier and also be upset.
Yeah.
Like killing off John.
car in the first five minutes.
Nah, man, I co-signed this.
I want R.D.J. kills the
the Marvel universe. That's what I want this movie to be.
What I will meet you at is I feel like they should have done their absolute best,
not Drew ael, he's in it.
I agree.
This is one of those movies where you don't really need to know the plot.
Right. And I would have preferred to have some surprises since they gave us 30 chairs.
Yeah.
Well, and that would have been super boss.
Like the one way, instead of advertising with all your legacy characters who you're
bringing out of like what used to be.
pretty staunch retirements
now it could have been thick
to be surprised with them at least
also it would be cool to have Steve Rogers
at the premiere
like Chris Evans there to support his friends
and then you find out he's there
because he's actually in the movie
stuff like that would have been exciting
that would have been cool
he gets like fat after
yeah
pulls a lovely bones
there's no way he would have
no there's no way
look at Chris Evans
there's a dad now
it's just so good dad
it's fat cap
people love fat Thor
now we got fat cap
let's move on please
I'm gonna be the guy
who's gonna keep saying that today
Jose don't worry about it
Thank you for chiming in.
Thank you, Greg and Tara, for the Percy Jackson reactions that rhymed, loving them a lot as an avid fan of the books.
It only gets better from here, books three through five are peak.
I appreciate everyone who gave us a chance with that, because we were, I hate when people say we fucking chill.
I'm like, I know we went into this and fucking this fan base is hardcore, and we are not liking this show.
And we are being very honest about it.
Like, it would be so easy to lie.
But then when it got to the latter part of the season, it got so much better.
And now it's so good.
Like, season two is so much better.
And a lot of people are like, it was already great.
And I'm like, I'm glad you feel that way.
And I think it's now great.
But it just took a while for my feelings to get there.
So thank you to those who stuck on board with us and allowed us to encourage us to still be honest in spite of, you know, the way a fan base can feel.
So thank you.
Absolutely.
And Sebastian's back.
Bastion units.
Regardless, if the leaks were, quote, planned or not,
I believe this is the hype they've needed.
I have non-Marvel fans sending me AI videos and theories.
Exactly.
This is my fucking point.
See?
They're weaponizing it.
Of course they're weaponizing it.
I'm not disagreeing.
I just, it's unfortunate.
How many, there was nothing of their other movies got leaked.
Maybe they did, but I don't really feel like.
they did. I can't really recall anything.
Like, Spider-Verse, across Spider-Verse totally had shit where they could have gone
on leaked. And it probably goes to the exact same parameters of trailer approval and all
these machinations. There's so many of the effects that go in that fucking movie.
Oh, no, I just don't buy it. I really don't buy it.
I think it is helping them in a way. I just, I'm thinking about the user experience.
We don't like it.
Right. User experience negative.
Yes. And I know a lot of people actually don't care.
I know.
that's the thing is most people like spoilers for some reason the culture has shifted where they like this right now and i was a john and i were massive participants i'm gonna lump you in the show john i were uh massive participants in the no way home um you know spoilers and all that we were and as much as i love that film there was a part of me that was in the back of my brain that i didn't want to admit to myself with just i kind of wish i didn't know everything that happened in this movie and i actually went in knowing very little i did press
on that film and still wasn't sure
if Andrew and Toby were going to show up and like
that was amazing. Yeah. Finding
your Christmas presence is exciting
in the moment and sucks at Christmas.
Exactly. And now that's because we don't
get Christmas anymore. We literally lost
Christmas because this is how we do things now.
It's just they
it's the evolution and we just
got to get on board. It's like
we can be the old people yelling
or we just got to do our thing and
fucking hide from it as best as we can't even though
it's really hard to succeed. Dude, I am
So, I mean, I don't know if you feel the same way, but I'm really excited.
Like, I'm trying to save up as much as I can and do this for the next, like, 10 years and then go back to enjoying movies.
Like, I'm so excited to, like, not be plugged into the zeit guys, not know everything that's coming out.
Like, the act of watching a movie again is going to feel like I'm reborn.
Like rebellion.
Well, you see, because we do, like, so much first time watches here, avoiding trailers has been.
And so sometimes when I'm, especially if I'm coming around, it's like a season of television.
Yeah.
I'm like, oh, my God, this person's in it?
Yeah.
And then when I'm looking for a thumbnail, I'll go to the trailer.
And then you'll see that everyone's known for six.
It was revealed.
Yeah.
So then I could use the image of the thumbnail.
I mean, obviously, it's been revealed.
Because it's already been revealed.
Now we can put Chris Evans in our review thumbnails.
Chris Evans can be right there.
I love having the experience of not.
But that's the problem.
We don't get that.
I don't know.
It's going to be fun to tag out.
All right.
What's next on her?
All right.
Hannah Daniels, thank you for chiming in.
Worried they'll link doom to Iron Man for R.D.
That seems like the inevitability, right?
Now the catchback.
That is inevitable.
The way that, I mean, Steve Rogers doesn't come back for Doom.
If it's a sequel to Doomsday, I mean, Doomsday, if it's a sequel to Endgame, then, yeah, it has to, it has to in some way.
It's something with the snap, I think, of what Tony did, and then Cap messing with the timeline, because they established a lot, as much as they're treating it like that, the TVA, we mustn't forget that it wasn't like end game.
I hate the rhetoric.
As much as the Marvel talk has gone down, even in my playbook, I hate the rhetoric that after end game, it just sucked.
Right.
It's just, that's big bullshit.
It's insane.
People forget that Wanda Vision was fucking hype, you know?
I can't recall.
That was the first Marvel thing they had.
It was their first show.
Yeah.
And it was huge.
Every week.
Every week speculating, speculating, speculating.
It just kept going.
And maybe that finale didn't deliver.
on that big speculation thing
that we were all kind of open for
which maybe contributed to a part of the culture we have
regardless
that was a great show it was an amazing show
and Falcon and Winter Soldier
is a pretty good that's a I think it's a really
good show it wasn't like the hype level
of that because it got sandwich between
something else was amazing
fucking Loki
Loki. Loki season one was incredible
with a cliffhanger that was bombed
No Way Home. Then No Way Home
comes out. These
Fools.
Like,
Shang Chi is a really good move.
Like, it depends on the caliber.
I'm saying the ones that are indisputable events.
Like, unobjected.
No way home, Wanda vision, indisputable events.
Wanda Vision, Loki, no way home.
Yeah.
Indisputable.
That was after endgame.
Yeah.
And so with that, a lot of rules were established of things that could happen.
And then multiverse of madness came out.
Which was also a big event, whether it was good or not.
It was a big event.
Yes, exactly.
So, that's about for debate.
But the point is
is that, yeah, like after what
Dr. After Robert Daniel Jr. Snap, after messing with
time travel, after Cap going back, they've
established that there could be repercussions for what's
going on. And Loki's season two was
huge. I think there's a lot. And Loki's coming back.
Right. So, and they're
positioning Thor as one of the main characters again.
And I think Loki's going to be a big power character. I don't
how much screen time they'll end up giving him. But like, we don't have
a beyonder yet, we, we could, we could see him do something that's like a big power level
character. Yeah. So I think that's going to be important. And I think those, those strings are
going to come together. Yeah, so to your question, uh, yeah, 100% they're going to look
to tire man. I think it's got to be. What if Howard Stark was, was, uh, Von Doom,
Howard Von Doom. Howard Von Doom. Yeah. Industrialist turned fascist. They're going to go to Ellis
Island and see like the original, you know, name before it got changed.
How did he turn Von Dumond to Stark?
That's a leap.
Some guy didn't really want to do his job that day.
Anyway, Eddie Rios is next.
Thank you for chiming in, Eddie.
We love you.
Wishing you all a very happy holidays.
Same to you.
Loving the new setup.
Do you guys think Secret Wars will be more
1985 or 2015 leading?
With Rousseau.
I wish it was 85.
I prefer 85.
But 2015.
That's part of the weird talk
when Rousseers were like,
I got in the comics when I,
I picked it up secret wars.
And I'm like,
but you're clearly probably doing
the 2015 one.
Which feels nothing like the original
Silver Wars.
It's really odd.
It's really odd.
They're like,
we'll only come back if we do Secret Wars.
The one that's playing right now.
Like they were talking about it
as if they would come back for the Secret Wars
and they're like,
we'll do the one that's currently in your comic store.
Could be wrong,
but everything we're hearing seems way more
the 2015 one than the 85 one.
100%.
I hope we still get some images
from the 85 one though.
Like I think we could still get like Hulk holding up that mountain
We could still get like you know some of the moments from it
And I think we'll still maybe get the symbiates suit
Like things from Secret Wars I think will reflect
But I think 2015's themes and tone is gonna be the thing
Brand new day has to pay off the symbiote suit
I think have to
I think the symbiate suit comes in secret oars and pays off the sequel to brand new day
You think so it's we finally have a suit
We have a Spider-Man movie coming out the same year as a movie called Secret Oars
And we've not had the black suit
It's fate
I don't feel like the
Granted,
I think
Brand New Day
ends with him going off.
We know where the symbiote
who originated from.
Yes.
Comic-wise.
But in the movie,
in the movie medium,
I don't feel like
we need to reserve it for Secret Wars.
Spider-Man comes out
five months before Secret Wars.
Okay.
I think the end post-credit scene
of Spider-Man Brand-New Day
is him on Battleworld
touching what's going to turn to the suit.
Oh, you're saying,
okay, I thought you were,
so it still ultimately is introduced
in Brand New Day.
In Secret Wars.
Yeah, the concept.
introduced but then we see the black suit that makes
I could get on board with that because what are
the chances everything lined up over the last
40 years that we get a Spider-Man movie the same year
of Secret Wars and not use that no that's fair
that's what I think happens I could
I could see that happened because brand new day's post-credit scene
has to set up I mean they have to like
fucking I'll never forget those fucking
venom movies yeah like it's time now you know
so I think I think Dumes day is the post-credit scene
of brand new day and I think Dumes day allows
battle world and then that ties into secret
wars got it because it's a year after Dune's day
That's what I think we get.
Cool shit.
Cool shit.
Thank you, Eddie.
Moving on to Jamco or Yamco.
Watched Avatar 3, and thank you for chiming in.
The Steve Rogers reveal is nothing.
A second of shield, caps vest, and a black screen saying Steve Rogers will return in Doomsday.
Showed pretty sure no actual movie clip.
It is something.
I appreciate the super channel.
And I understand what you're saying is that it's so short and not much really happens in it.
the thing is the confirmation that a person is there.
It is equivalent in some ways.
It's like it's not as crazy as Andrew Garfield
and Toby McGuire showing up in the Spider-Man movie.
It is likened to that, though.
It's like once you confirm it, it spoils the fun.
Yeah, we know it's happening now.
Yeah.
So like it does, he could have been one frame.
It would have given everything.
Because the dude was denying it.
Yeah.
Even though we were like, we know.
Just like Andrew Carfield and Joe McGuire,
like, we know.
but that's the fun is like going in a theory like going
and now we don't
a year out yeah
yeah now everything Chris promotes the next year is cap
I know and he's been working his ass off to try to get out of that
yeah
every role he does like the farthest from cap I can find
and the sad part is that what was that interview question he had
remember the he was like promoting some film
and he was playing some actor
I was not a character and they were talking about like being a hasman
or something like that the interviewer like directly asked him that awful the worst fucking question
you could ask a guy in a crowd when you're playing someone that like you know used to be important
like you know you're doing yeah that was whatever that was that was awful yeah terrible question
and and now he's gonna be fucking living this for the next year and he would have when hearing
that known that he was playing cat yeah this is how i was like yeah i'm playing captain america i'm playing
steve rogers again playing a failed movie star because it was hitting close to home which i don't
agree with. I mean, like, Knives
out helped rebound
Ryan Johnson, it allowed
Daniel Craig to expand, but
people love the shit at Chris Evans
in that movie, too. He changed sweaters. He's one of the
faces of that film. 100%.
So, yeah, let's, we can move on.
Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you.
Yomco. All right. Oh, back
again. Thank you for being so generous.
Morgan Stark will be
13 or 14 years old by the time
Secret Wars happens. Almost time for her
to become the new Iron Man.
She'd have Tony's smarts and resources.
R.D.J. as her Jarvis.
It depends how loyal we're playing towards timeline.
Yeah, I don't know if it's going to take place a year after,
if it's going to be chronological.
Yeah.
Also, poor Ironheart.
You also need to establish the age.
You could just recast and then let people, like, figure it out.
How many people has Cassie Lang been played by?
Yeah.
Not enough.
They had that deleted scene, right, where Morgan Stark interacts.
Yeah, that whole scene.
older Morgan interacts with Tony.
So now the Russo brothers have an opportunity
to pay that off in some way.
Totally.
Maybe she's the one who could change Doom's heart.
Like Franklin changes his face.
Oh, yeah.
Franklin's got to be the heart.
And that's why I'm worried about Morgan Stark
even being in it.
We'll see.
But she will be.
She will be because it's a Tony Stark movie.
She has to be in it.
Do you think when the Paltrow will return?
Probably.
I don't think she'll know.
She'll probably be in it.
But she won't know what's happening.
She won't know that she's
She'll tell you she's not in
And we'll believe her
Because she believes her
That's my favorite part
Is how candid
Like the actors
Who haven't been part
Of Marvel for a long time
Talk about their
Apparently she has memory issues
I can't believe that
Like she
After like a pregnancy
Like she can't remember
She can't like form new memories
Does that explain all women and moms
Every single one of them
Women can't remember
After having babies
That makes so much more sense
But she like doesn't remember
Knowing Tom Holland
It's the brain
It's the brain
It's the brain cooked
Because every time they have a baby
They get a piece of their
brain.
That's where babies come from.
Just getting a little piece.
It's basic science, guys.
Guys, after 10 kids, your brain dead.
No, that's terrible.
Yeah, so I thought it was funny until I found it.
It was like a medical thing.
I was like, oh, that's awful.
But, you know, I hear like Kelsey Grammer, Alan coming talking, be like, yeah, I shot
some lines.
I don't know who I'm talking to, but, you know.
Kelsey Graham was like, I can't wait to team up with any just, like, talk about a
seed.
I was like, bro.
Yeah, you guys need to learn the game here.
new to Marvel.
You need to learn the game.
What else you got?
They haven't sent the snipes to your house.
Caitlin, thank you for chiming in Caitlin.
Bringing back Steve undermines
the authority that was passed to Sam.
Though his arc was done poorly,
never felt like he got a true chance to be kept.
Yeah, so we kicked off this specific episode.
I don't know if he kicked it off.
We talked about it pretty early on.
That being one of the major concerns
that I'm sure half the world doesn't give a shit about.
But even Thunderbolts was like,
you know,
he's suing us for the name of Avengers
like the Thunderbolts
our most recent movie
or one of the most recent movies
ended with Sam Wilson
suing the Thunderbolts for the name Avengers
because he's Captain America
cut too.
Yeah.
There's gonna be a lot.
Okay, wait, so there'd be,
there'd be Bucky.
There'd be Red Guardian.
I'm excited for Steve Rogers
and Red Guardian to interact.
That part is really excited to me
because of how much Red Guardian's obsessed with him.
Warships.
Yeah.
And,
Walker.
Yeah.
There's a lot of
proto caps.
There's something
kind of fun about
watching all of them interact.
Yeah.
And weirdly the one who doesn't
is Anthony Beck.
He's not a super soldier.
Yeah, the one that hasn't taken
the serum, the only one.
The only one.
But yeah, though,
the ones you have
part of that program in some way.
And you know there's going to be
a moment in Secret Wars
where the captains America.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Like the A-Force moment,
but all caps.
And then they'll grab Sam
and they'll just dump
like a big bottle,
a big, like,
Gatorade.
jug of super soldier serum on his back
and then he'll...
What of us!
What of us!
But thank you guys for chiming in.
Commander Stolzer, Padre N7 is next.
Thank you for chiming in.
In honor of Rob Reiner,
and you guys react to all in the family,
especially with John.
Thanks.
That's a massive commitment.
We appreciate the contribution
and we appreciate the inquiry.
Not 100% sure
we want to cover nine seasons
of an old television show,
but appreciate you.
171
I've actually never seen a single episode
of all in the family
No this is not the movie
Never mind
I guess
1971 ran for nine years
That's incredible
No I think he's talking about
The Hong Kong comedy from 1975
Robbrenner Hong Kong comedy
Big old fan
Yeah
I guess it would be the show
Yeah
There's no way
It would be the classic
American sitcom all in the family
I just did
Certainly not
The 2022 movie
That you were looking up
Or the 1975
Hong Kong
comic i thought there was a movie version of all in the family and i thought it tied into christmas story but it was like that family but not at christmas but i could be thinking of a different movie never seen christmas story hey christmas whoa that's an opportunity missed i avoid that movie it's on every five minutes every christ christmas
that's a that's a reaction gold mine way yeah that's like actually flabbergasting that'd be our biggest video of the year that is the most watched christmas
all right well cancel christmas again gregg christmas yeah you've canceled four
time to cancel fifth.
Guys, I've got 18 more minutes.
All right, let's answer some questions about a Christmas story.
All right, all right.
Randy Francois.
I'm here to keep you yellow personalities on track today.
That's communication style, not the agent.
They're not even Asian.
You can't take offense with that.
Ron.
Yeah.
Randy Francois, thank you for timing it in.
Roz Al Gregg, unite the Real 7 for an assemble reaction.
More box office views than a DC Marvel crossover and have a jabby cameo.
Sinapal's invasion.
It would be fun to one day do a giant, like a Normie's video, like all of us there.
Just a bunch of couches. Yeah, that would be pretty fun.
That would be fun. Like, like a, like, a, like, something that's big enough on streaming, like, the day.
Yeah. Or totally obscure.
Yeah. And then they watch for us watching.
Which a really test. Dude, tiptoes.
If people care about us enough to watch it or really solely just relies.
We should do tiptoes. All seven. Have you seen tiptoes?
No. That sounds like the perfect movie, though.
It's Matthew McConaughey. Gary Oldman.
Gary Oldman is a little person
And he plays the whole movie on his knees
And the movie is about McConaughey
Marrying Cape Beckinsale
And worrying their kid might be a little person
Because McConaughey's the only tall person
In a family of little people
It's the most problematic thing ever
We should watch it with seven of us
Say no more
Tipto's amazing
Or hear me out
There's this great 1975 Hong Kong comedy
All in the Family
All in the Family
All right
Seems the art from the TV show
Thank you for chiving in
C. Black. Cap didn't
have the shield when he went back
in time, but Old Cap did.
I think he got the shield
from Sam in Doomsday.
Does Sam die? That would
be justice for him. Old Cap
already live in Doomsday?
50% of the cast don't make
it to Secret Wars. Wait,
hold on a second. Let's slow the roll here.
Cap didn't have the shield when he went back
in time. No.
He gave it the same.
Yeah, because Old Cap did.
I think he got the shield from Sam and Doomsday.
Oh, because time travel does.
Does Sam die?
That would.
Can you imagine?
Semi hilarious.
If they give him the shield, he's kept for one movie.
Disrespected.
Didn't work out, buddy.
Killed.
I mean, Anthony Mackey would have pressed for the rest of his life.
He could just talk about.
Oh, man.
That's crazy work.
Like a Henry Cavill situation.
Yeah.
I don't think they kill Anthony Mackey.
I don't think they would do that.
That would just cause a storm.
As much as bringing back Steve Rogers is satisfying all the crowd that's like,
no, Captain America.
Not my cap.
No.
This would really infuriate the other side.
That would be very, yeah, that's not a winning situation.
What if Steve Rogers comes back in its Hydra Cap?
That would be cool.
Everyone's so excited for Captain America and he's like a full on Nazi working with Doom
because that's his buddy Iron Man.
God, if they did that, that would be sweet.
Can you imagine?
If that is...
If everyone comes back as a bad guy?
Yeah.
Like a Star Trek mustache episode?
That would be cool.
All the people that died come back as evil virgins themselves.
It'd be cool.
It's like that Mortal Kombat game.
If we're playing...
Player 2.
They surprised us with Hydra Cap.
That would legitimately be sick.
20 minutes in, he leans into Doomsier and says hail Hydro.
Yeah.
That would be so sick.
That would be pretty sweet.
Because you never know what timeline we're on.
Now I'm excited that Steve Rogers is.
coming back because he's Hydro Cap in my head until I see the movie. I just hope in three weeks they
reveal that. They put out some chairs. It says Hydro Cap on it. Now we know.
Oh, well Randy Francois next. Thank you for chiming back in. Dread over here. I am the law.
No more smoking or you will be judged. Does it help the old channel to leave a like and comment on
old videos? Happy holiday. It helps on any video. Really appreciate your contribution asking that
and always do it. And speaking of which, if you're here watching,
this right now please leave a like like it up if you're watching on playback please leave a like
leaving a like does help out thank you hell yeah all right thank you randy jumping on into
258 ronin too or just 58 ronan hey boys thank you for chiming in first time super chat long time
listener i've been watching for years since before gregg had his greek body l-o-l sweet that's
what i call it too my youtube you're in the odyssey uh my youtube recap
Cab says I've watched 612 videos this year.
Yeah, that's insane.
In a good way, in the membrane.
Y'all make my anxiety and panic attacks go away.
Thank you, love.
Oh, we might increase it because we hate people who watch that many videos of ours.
62.
We do not like that at all.
So, no refunds.
Was it 612?
Wow.
I appreciate that, man.
That's really fucking sweet.
to you. It's two a day. Almost.
That's crazy.
Doing the work. Thank you so much, Ronan.
I hope you watched them all in our entirety.
Yeah.
Comment on every old video comprehensive.
I really appreciate that, man. That's crazy.
That is nuts.
I swear to God, if you see us in person, any one of us and you don't say hi,
we'll be insulted.
You better say hi to us.
I'm serious.
Fucking dead serious about that, man.
Deceased.
You know more Muppie than I do.
Dude, well, you better catch up.
Diego Gourvara, thank you for
chiming in.
He would have.
He's probably seen it before.
He knew how the character arc goes.
I was assuming a war profiteer
might be a bad person
until they're no longer a war profiteer.
It's almost like it had to go
on that arc in the movie.
It's okay.
We all have that experience
someday or another.
Diego Gourvera, thank you for chiming in.
Diego says, hi.
Nothing to say, really.
Just stoked to hear you.
Hey, Diego.
Been a while since we've seen your name.
Good to see you, buddy.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Stoked to hear y'all understanding Schindler's list.
Arc, it is very clearly divided.
No right or wrong, in my opinion.
And that's just an assessment of life, you know.
It is very clearly divided.
Yep.
I agree with you.
Life is not my algorithm.
Very one side.
Everything's very much like what I reflects the way I think and feel and what I appeal to.
Echo chambers are healthy.
It's not one side.
You want things to reflect only your view.
Yeah.
That's the way to live.
When I go to John's algorithm, it's a lot of, like, red text, white tech stuff.
You know what I mean?
Like angry faces.
A lot of crying women in thumbnails.
I like a lot of bust faces.
Yeah.
Black backgrounds.
People sprinting with stoic quotes.
Yeah.
It's really weird.
Hustle culture, John.
Marcus Aurelius, you know.
I tried listening to Marcus Aurelius while working out the other day.
It was like a month ago.
And it was one of my most embarrassing moments, like, where I was like, what am I, who am I trying to be?
What is this?
Too much. Too much. There's a line. I found it.
Stoicoy. Thank you, Arc.
It's very clearly to... I guess this must be about the response to the trailers and stuff.
That is what you are B.R. B, 2, 3, moment of silence.
BZB, thank you.
Oh, BZB. I don't know why I can't I see that.
It's okay. It's probably small on your screen.
Thank you, BZB, 0123, C, Black.
Up next, thanks for chiming in.
Steve was selfish going back to Peggy.
Tony warned him if you mess with time.
tends to mess back he knew the consequences laid out by the ancient one screw steve rogers it would
be a cool like starting point though that's that's the appeal to me about steve rogers coming back is the
consequences of what he did yeah think he wanted like the tragedy of what that would be that that
there's an emotional hook in the plot that i think would make it appealing especially with re-releasing
end game and calling it a sequel to end game like having his decision at the end game yeah launched this
So, you know, don't me around.
There's, like, totally pros that I could see
of how they can make it work.
Sure.
I'm looking forward to seeing them.
I hope that's the case.
Heck, yeah, me too.
Yeah.
Let's move on.
Thank you, C. Black.
We got Yomco back.
Thanks for chiming back in, being so generous today.
Think Sony would allow a Spider-Pool film in the future.
Deadpool 3 made over a billion.
Sony would be smart to allow Tom and Ryan
to have a buddy road trip film.
It's a sell.
I don't think
I don't think any film
is an issue for Sony
I think that
it's just a rights issue
and a Kevin Faggy being like
I don't know about that man
But I think Ryan Reynolds
would absolutely be down
I think Ryan and Andrew
would be a lot more logical
Like their vibe is so much more
Like they're also friends in real life
I just feel like
If you're gonna do a spidey pool
It's not Tom
And they made out once
And they made out
They're in the Golden Globes, whatever
Yeah
I can't wait for that
To be exclusively on Tubey
Yeah
Don't worry the awesome
are coming to YouTube in two years.
Yeah, all right.
I already watch them on YouTube.
Do you?
I don't watch the Oscars.
I only watch the Oscars.
The clips.
Like, where's Conan's monologue?
Yeah.
They know what their market is.
I think it's smart.
It's just odd to read.
YouTube's the number one most watch streaming platform, I think.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
We're big time, gang.
Yeah.
Speaking of big time,
C. Black is back.
Thanks for chiming in being so generous.
I'm going to remind Cohen, Greg.
They was doubt.
the film after the first trailer
or when the movie comes out,
why do you all give Gun the benefit of the doubt
but not the man behind the most successful studio?
You guys hate Kevin Feigy.
What are you talking about?
I was like not a fan of peacemakers.
And I am very skeptical
of the approach of Supergirl
in spite of also being very excited about it.
And with this one,
we have also weighed out our pros and cons
of anticipation as well.
James Gunn didn't cast Henry Cavill as Lex Luther
and pretended that it wasn't a character
people would associate with another character
so that's why I think
it's a very different scenario altogether
it has nothing to do with the filmmaker
it's that's to do with the Doom casting
I love the character of Dr. Doom
yeah it's a very it's this is not an apple
just because they're both comic book adaptations
it doesn't mean that's the one-to-one comparison
and I have said from the beginning
from the moment they cast Downey that I can't wait to be proven wrong
but until I am I am very concerned
they've undermined one of the best characters in comics
for money
I didn't necessarily dislike these makers
I was just pretty disappointed
I think it's
I have too much I liked about it to full on say I didn't like it
yeah I think that it's not fair to compare
also gun starting a universe to where Marvel is now
in a positive or negative way because
Marvel has had more hits than misses by a lot
and you know the DC you just started so I don't know
if that's fair at all, even where we are now.
Separate of those things.
Absolutely.
Well, fight it out in the comments, people.
Victor and Liu.
Thanks for chiming in.
The Inhumans movie failed.
Hard.
It alienated the comic fan so hard.
I think it means Eternal.
And please ask Coy where I can get that sweater.
The Inhumans movie didn't happen.
There's a show, an Human show or Eternal's movie.
I think he means Eternal's movie.
I love the Eternal's movie.
Also, Chloe Zhao's newest Hamnet blew me away.
I don't think
a human show
did anything
They played that
in the theaters
It's so crazy
That's just saying
So that in IMAX
So that is clear
Man divide
It's the movie
I got this sweater
From a small business
In Burbank
They sell sweaters
At Christmas
In a little
Christmas festival
They do in the middle
of Burbank
So I got
I don't know if I can
Help you there
Because I try to buy
From small businesses
Especially this time of the year
So it's an individual
will, if you live near Burbank, walk
them streets. And then
I did not see in humans, but I
loved Eternals. So I don't know which one you're talking
about, but I loved Eternals.
Yep. Not there with coy on
that, but I respect people's
feelings on Eternals.
I respect your right to be wrong.
And Kumail Nanjiani is
still buff, and I'm happy about that.
Held on to that. Held on to that
because he likes working out, and I'm glad
he discovered that through Eternals. That's true.
His life is markedly about
Yeah, that's just so funny, like he doesn't just do it to stay in shape for a character.
He likes, he likes working out.
And he's huge.
He's friends with guns, so he's at every, like, D.C. premiere.
And I'm like, that is a giant man.
He's a big dude.
He is a buff man.
Yeah, he's a tough man.
He's a little jealous.
Hell yeah, Koumel.
And he was funny in that Ghostbusters movie.
Des, thanks for chiming in, Des.
Hello, and happy Friday, my beautiful rejects.
Hey.
If you were only able to see one of the 2027 juggernauts between the Batman part two or beyond the
spider verse what would be your ultimate choice love you all i gotta say i think there's so much
spider-man content and not enough badman content that just came out of my map uh you know what i actually
i'm gonna go the opposite i the batman is my favorite franchise right now because of the batman and
penguin but i think if beyond the spider verse sticks the landing it's the greatest trilogy in the
history of movies yeah but if brad pitts in the batman part two then i will literally die
that's the end of my career
because I'm dead in that theater
phantasm is there I'm like I got to see that
I got to see that
I don't need another multiverse spider-man movie
if I can only have one of these
if Matt Reeves literally is like
I'm gonna make the most David Fincher Batman ever
and then for the second one's like
I'm gonna give his DP and his Brad Pitt
I'm gonna lose my mind this is just
fight club with Batman
if they put two of my favorite things
if Brad Pitt's in it it becomes
the Batman too even really bad
he's just a guy who
Matt Pitt
He's in Arkham Asylum
Brad Pitt is Dr. Arkham
and Robert Pattinson is roommate.
Yeah, Brad Pitt's in it.
That changes everything.
He's the fantasm.
Standing on the top floor of Wayne Industries
at the end of the movie
as the city crumbles out the window.
I'm all for this.
In my life.
Yes.
Oh, man.
All righty.
Thanks, Des.
We got Alec Rodriguez next.
Alec, thank you so much.
What would be a good tagline
for the Avengers Doomsday poster?
Here's mine.
Doom is the victor
Get it
Because of victory
That is pretty funny actually
Who will be the
You know they thought that when they wrote the character
And they're like, hey, hit Victor Doom
Damn
What would be the tagline
Whoever wins we're doomed
Spell the Avengers Doom
My favorite taglines
Are the most non-creative ones
like I'll never forget
the worst one I ever saw as for
I think it was a David Goyer movie
I don't think I saw the movie
it's called the unborn
it's called the unborn
and the tagline was
he wants to be born
yeah that's amazing
he wants to be born
if there's a teenager
I was like that's a bad tagline
I mean it's unborn
what does he want he wants to be born
it's a perfect tagline
so I wrote that and went
that best part
out. That about spells it out.
How about New Mask, same timeline?
Yeah. Same tagline. Sorry, New Mask, same tagline.
Yeah. That's the one. That's the one.
Dooms Day. Avengers, Doom's Day.
Doom is coming.
They're doomed.
You guys to say that. They're doomed.
This December. We are all doomed.
Avengers Dooms Day. Avengers are doomed.
For you is the most important day of your life. For me, it was a dooms day.
Hell yeah.
Avenge the Doomed
You know, I know I didn't do a reaction to it
And I'm really upset I didn't
Because I have obsessively watched the Street Fighter trailer
I love that trailer
And I have a zita
And I know a lot of people
I know a lot
I don't know who that is
He's mega
Looks cool
I love that trailer
Have you seen it?
Yeah, it was great
It's so millennial
It's everything we wanted as kids
What I want
This is this street fighter movie I want
When you're kids
In imagining what a movie would be
It's this trailer
I hope it says like wild and weird and the cast is insane
I hope there's a story to keep up with and it's not annoying
that's a one problem is like this could be a very there's no plot in the trailer
at all yeah I'm like this could be the most annoying film or the coolest fucking film
even if it's an 80s dumb plot I'm still excited but I hope there is a plot
like it I get when people say like this looks like AI and this looks fan made I'm
like yeah but it looks cool but a good fan that's kind of what I want a good fan made it
Like, how else would it look?
What's the real gritty version of streetfire?
Yeah, don't give us something that's plausible.
It's the original film.
They already have an Oscar winner playing the lead.
I can't wait.
Like, how would you make sense of all these weird personalities
from different countries fighting each other?
There's also like a beast guy.
Like, Momoa's playing, what's his name?
Is it Blanca?
Blanca.
Yeah, that's not like a thing you can just write into a normal story.
yeah no they're all like from different countries yeah
anyway they're from the streets
and they're fighting all right thank you alec rodriguez
i gotta watch that street fighter trailer sebastian yunz
again MVP do a reaction for socials
we'll make roxy happy hell yeah i'll do that's what our life revolves around here
making roxy happy
okay i know she's watching now she watches every one of these i'll do that
that's our life roxy i'll do that and digger why not
i'm gonna get my gorilla's needle drop you can't say that work job
I can't believe you just said that on air
You know, it's me and Tarantino out here
What do you want?
He just did a whole Fortnite show
All right
Okay, here we go.
Sebastian Yuntz is back.
Have a wonderful weekend, gents.
And Alex, if she's there, she's not
So she doesn't get to have a good weekend.
Yeah, I'm blessed
I'm blessed to watch y'all every day
And I'll never stop watch.
Thank you, Sebastian.
Thanks for being our number one contributor
on this stream today.
I really appreciate you.
Thank you, buddy.
And Dex, I forgot I mentioned.
That's a really generous super chat.
I really appreciate that.
Hondo P.
Des.
Des, I appreciate you, Des.
We got Just Stripling in the super chats.
Thank you for chiming in.
There are reports that Avengers Dooms Day
could be called Avengers Doctor Doom in Brazil.
And it's rumored, but not confirmed,
that it'll be called Avengers Judgment Day in Japan.
I don't know why.
Well, I do.
Because it's terminated.
But I love that.
That sounds.
That's a pretty sweet title.
It's a pretty sweet title.
That's a pretty fucking cool title, man.
Yeah, those are great titles.
I'd watch any of those movies.
I think it's smart to...
I get in other countries
when they decide to call it something different.
Yeah, it's cleaner.
Honestly, it's sad they're not weirder translations.
There's some really great weird movie translation.
Actually, I'm imagining like a doomsday poster
with like a Japanese style.
Sounds pretty cool.
Yeah.
I love those.
I never watch the Japanese dubs,
but I love the shirts and the posters.
I was going to say, I got the Japanese
Yeah, he's
Yeah, like shit like
Us Americans, I love that
We're never going to watch that
Should in Japanese, of course
But we love the Star Wars
We're going to watch the Japanese
All the Family, come on, why not?
But now we have to react
Yes, I think Army of Darkness
It's called Captain Supermarket in Japan
Or something like that.
Do you know the risky business title in China?
No, what is it?
The actual title of Risky Business at Tom Cruise movie in China is
Just Send Him to University Unqualified
We gotta look up one of these streams
Just like a list of great movie title translations
The Hangover is called somewhere in the world
Like the historically most awful vacation ever or something like that
Just send them to university unqualified
Anyway, Spidey Sensei 72
Thank you for chiming in
Christmas toys for Spidey Cat
Hope all the real rejects have a Merry Christmas,
Christmas and a happy Hanukkah. Thank you. Thank you, Spidey Sense. Thank you.
Thank you so kind. Thanks for wishing Spidey cat. He needs it right.
Baby boy. He's a sweetheart. He's a super sweet cat. I watched him once
while Koi was in Europe meeting his fiancee. Yeah. Big life-changing week I had.
Yeah, he's the sweetest cat of literally everybody. He's super sweet. Cuddle with me the entire time.
And you guys had just met. He would call me Koi too. Yeah, I was one of the whole thing.
He's like, you're the new Koi. They're like, you can talk!
talking cat you're not leaving this room and i didn't profit off it i never made money
despite he had eric roberts his voice he does he does actually no he sounds like uh sam
stein what's no what's a binstein he sounds like benstein he's got the money oh i dad and we got one
stream lab i think we're yeah we got one stream lab let's go back to the stream labs and then you
guys are free we're free to go watch more leaks you guys are free to leak more stuff into the
keep in touch with my wife to make sure when she's on her way all right michael mk ultra
Thank you for chiming in, closing us out potentially.
Happy holidays, rejects.
As a kid, theaters felt magical, a special treat when my mom could afford it.
Heartbreak felt good in a place like this.
Lately, it feels like people forgot theater etiquette, had three awful visits recently.
Do you think this is common and adding to the death of theaters?
Yes.
Definitely.
Definitely.
I think beds are going to make that worse.
What we talked about earlier.
I think it's really tricky
because the next generation
didn't have the reverence we did
and the one after that, like Gen Alpha
grew up in the pandemic where
it was not, you know, this
reverence. I don't know.
It's going to be really hard because there's also
people making content
in theaters. Like there's the phones
out, people texting, people filming.
Like there's just, it needs
to be sacrosanct. Like the space
needs to be special and it's not right now.
There's a YouTuber who I
I love her videos.
I think she's so good.
It's like, you might be misled when you see the thumbnail and title, like,
oh, is this one of those, like, drama, clickbait videos?
But I think the way she scripts her stuff is, like, the equivalent of a journalist,
and she makes a lot of the same points we make, but just, like, really well thought out and British.
Fancyer.
Her name's Marina McBain.
Her videos tend to do very, very well.
Can you pull her up?
She did a video a couple months ago.
You guys haven't watched her stuff.
she's so i think she's really fucking good at what she does uh and and uh she did a video called
going to the movie sucks now uh can you type that in going to the movie sucks now and it is
so much what you and i talk about and she breaks it down yeah of of like the theater etiquette and
stuff obviously i've watched so yeah she's uh if there's if you want to see a video that really
encapsulates all the problems and why she does a lot of she did a lot of great videos too
like two of them, very in depth about
the depth of interviewed journalism basically
and what influencers are doing
and all the shit we've talked about. But yeah, she
does like a fully researched
thought out stuff. Hell yeah. And she's also
a smart person when it comes to how to fucking
get people to watch her videos with her titles and thumbnails.
But her videos itself
are really well constructed too.
Sounds like our people. Thank you, Marina.
Yeah. Going to the movie sucks now.
There's a little screenshot for you guys.
Yeah.
Case you want to trick. The video.
you, Dan, yourselves.
All right, my missus is on the way.
We're going to have a day to ourselves.
Get some Christmas.
So as we close out, once again,
wish Tara a happy birthday.
Thank you to all who've been here.
We know we've got more people here than usual.
We tend to go live every Friday.
We switch up the time.
Thank you guys for accommodating.
And this was a specific request for me, so thank you both.
We'll be our next Friday because it's Christmas.
It's Christmas.
And I think the week after.
we might have something we shoot in advance.
Yeah.
That would make sense because of the way the dates work.
You know, it's the second.
Yeah.
So perhaps.
Yeah.
But then we will be back to the consistency of doing this live again.
And thank you guys who have been with us on this journey, watching us grow, not just in performance here, but also in the quality of the gap.
It's changed.
Literally everything.
So thank you guys for an amazing journey we've had this year.
And it's a very strong stream for us to go out on.
and so many of you guys have been here every single week
for the longest time.
Additionally, all you guys
who've been hitting us up about,
we watch one of your top percent viewers of the year,
that means a lot.
And I'm really glad YouTube made that a feature,
so that way you don't have to do the math and you know.
So thank you guys for doing that.
And this pod is the thing people come up to me at least
and say they're enjoying most,
which means a lot because we love doing this.
It is really,
there's something much more gratifying
about how much more people come up about this.
then I love your, like, I love the comment of the direction,
but there's something more rewarding about the podcast.
These are our opinions in like our worldview versus like,
I like how your face moved to that movie.
Yeah, no, I like when people like talk about the reviews and stuff.
So thank you guys so much.
And thanks, John.
Thank you, Coy.
You did it again.
Thank all of you.
Is there someone I'm forgetting to think?
Our only off-camera employee, Alex.
And she's not here.
She's not here.
She's not here.
She's hot in hell, Alex.
And this is our first stream to actually.
be on time we actually did it within the parameters we said and we ended on time what a way to in the
year peace out reject nation an actual to our stream there you go it is possible now we know
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm
We're going to be.
I'm going to be
I'm going to
I'm going to
I'm going to
I'm going
I'm
I'm going
I'm
on the
I'm
So,
I'm going to
I don't know.
We're going to be able to
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
