The Reel Rejects - Marvel Trailer Leaks Are OUT OF CONTROL! (Avengers Doomsday & Spider-Man Brand New Day)

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

Chris Evans Steve Rogers OFFICIALLY Returning in AVENGERS DOOMSDAY Trailer Reaction, Discussion, Commentary & Marvel News Breakdown! With reports and leaks suggesting Steve Rogers may be returning in ...Avengers: Doomsday, Marvel fans are once again divided — is this a bold narrative move, pure nostalgia, or a sign the MCU is course-correcting? Greg Alba, Coy Jandreau, and the Reel Rejects break down the bigger conversation around Marvel’s future, legacy characters, and why Steve Rogers’ return could fundamentally reshape the Avengers saga. We also dive into the Spider-Man: Brand New Day trailer leak, the growing trend of unfinished or unofficial Marvel footage hitting the internet, and the theory many fans are debating: are these leaks actually intentional? From audience manipulation to hype control, we explore whether Marvel Studios is quietly using leaks as part of its marketing strategy. This episode isn’t about shot-by-shot breakdowns — it’s about the state of the MCU, franchise fatigue, multiverse storytelling, and what bringing back icons like Captain America really means in the post-Infinity Saga era. We also discuss how Avengers: Doomsday could set the tone for Secret Wars, legacy crossovers, and the next generation of Marvel heroes. Join the conversation and let us know — is Steve Rogers’ return exciting… or a red flag? Follow Coy Jandreau:  Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?l... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coyjandreau/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYH2szDTuU9ImFZ9gBRH8w Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:31 it is the most linear dystopian commentary I've ever lived through I'm ready for it. They're called like Patriot Games or something here? Yeah, it's great. That's like a dystopian 80s title and for a modern young adult dystopian novel scripts. So real. We live in such weird times. I don't know what's really
Starting point is 00:01:52 important. Are we live? I think it's the prehistoric. But they can't hear us. Okay. So we're just here. You could literally say whatever we want and they won't for us. They'll never know.
Starting point is 00:02:04 Yeah, I was watching Indian rivalry with John and, um, I think I'm telling you this before we go die. Yeah, you got your OD rival. I'm pretty sure I'm super, super gay now. Super gay. Before I was like, maybe definitely closet and my wife only heavily suspects. Right, right. It was her to suspect.
Starting point is 00:02:22 Now you suspect gay. That's fair. It's a thing not mentioning this. It is not while we're live. John, just make sure to give me a heads up. Just give a way I don't talk about this. The excitement of discovering your true self. Have to be careful here.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Yeah. Definitely being this careful. A lot of message boards are thrilled to clip this out from Greg. Man, if only people knew I leaked the Spider-Man Trail. Man, if only how you did it? I don't know, but I'm proud of you. I'm like EG over here. I signed up to be part of a trailer company.
Starting point is 00:02:55 They played the long game. They didn't do it. Fifteen years he's been waiting for the Spider-Man trailer to come out, and now it's time. I've linked it myself. That's right. Every regular part. Brought in a little handheld camera. Good thing, we are not alive.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Otherwise, trouble. Every show is a savior. It's a crazy thing that nobody's traced all these leaks back. He used his own IP address. All the different things you've leaked over time. I've leaked so many things. All the Spider-Man-N-Way-home stuff is you. That picture, you were like, Campia, don't run this.
Starting point is 00:03:24 Yeah. Boom. The King Leaker. That's that went in doubt, can't be. Talk about the genitals. That's how you leak the new trailer. You're like spider junk. That's the file name.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Yeah, that's right. Smash that. There's a lot of character names that have a lot of innuendo. Spider-Man. No one's going to smash this. Spider-Man is a chaste character, and with that, I am going to turn the microphones hot now so that people can actually hear us. Oh, now we're live.
Starting point is 00:03:54 And I'm going to cut to you in three, serious, and real. yeah yeah one you guys are on camera be professional oh i've had a hard day today it's so serious it's been very emotional it's not it's 10 o'clock having this hard day all right oh got my eyes were sealed shut i got no eyeballs yeah you got weird eyes today man what's going on what's up guys we go live every friday we're going live earlier because i got a date with the misses because crittmas won't be with her on christmas because because The Duffer Bros. Are like, no, we got to release Stranger Things on Christmas.
Starting point is 00:04:32 Hell yeah. What if you enjoy? No holidays this year. How about zero? John and I will be here making love with each other. We will. And being like, no, we're not supposed to be watching heated rivalry right now. We're supposed to be watching Stranger Things.
Starting point is 00:04:45 But we're on again just one more time. Why do we keep watching heated rivalry? This Stranger Things reaction looks on. Honestly. I would come in on Christmas Day for more heated rivalry. I think we react to heated rivalry, but then we, We put the Stranger Things footage over. That's right.
Starting point is 00:05:00 So what people are watching is a reaction to that when they got Stringer Things footage. So it just seems really weird. No one knows what's going. No one knows what's going on. I'm really missing a lot with this Mike Gay Story. Anyway. I'm sorry, Will. I was Will.
Starting point is 00:05:15 I'm a fake thing. Wait a minute. John, let's go to the Super chats. Right away. Who do we get right here? They said Sebastian Yunz. He's saying, we can hear you. What do they mean they can hear us?
Starting point is 00:05:26 Oh, no. what we didn't say anything that was incriminating I mean no I don't think so obviously we wouldn't not on air highly doubt it no we don't sit in these chairs and not know what we're talking about no who who you see on camera is exactly the conversations that we have all the time
Starting point is 00:05:41 off camera we can hear you there you're on okay so oh oh I said uh let's go thank you love you guys thanks for being our first super chat for today thanks for going live almost every Friday what a pleasure to be here yeah thank you buddy really appreciate you appreciate you Sebastian
Starting point is 00:05:57 you're here every Friday well guys before we kick things off give you a little bit of a rundown it's going to be real simple Marvel's leaks are crazy right now you think they'd have a handle on this
Starting point is 00:06:10 after 10 years I think they did I mean they were like the most locked down studio we had yeah they were able to keep Deadpool and Wolverine stuff under wraps I had no clue about that blade cameo no most people I feel like didn't
Starting point is 00:06:25 That was such a shocker. And that was the last move. Like, it's been up until now. I was incredibly, I imagine you were, too. We didn't see better. I was incredible. I was like, what? Blu by my mind-blowing.
Starting point is 00:06:39 But nowadays, they just put him in a chair. And they go, Wesley Snipes and Avengers 2. This is equally exciting. This is how we do it. His name is equally exciting as to having an actual reveal. I see, yes. And you know, this is like the Avengers, they have a four trailer release. So we want to talk about that.
Starting point is 00:06:55 then they're going to have and they already have one that's out in theaters in theaters it's already out there all right chris evans is back as captain america they're not steve rogers according to what we've been told we're going to wait to react to it i'd like to see the trailer that i've been told about clearly already been spoiled for us of what's it every major publication makes it hard is what people don't know about us is we take we genuinely on very sincere note we take the reaction part very serious part very much Very, very serious. When multiverse of madness, we watch, okay, so John and I watched Spider-Man No Way Home at the premiere.
Starting point is 00:07:34 When the trailer came on for Multiverse of Madness, we only heard it. We didn't see it. We literally, we close our eyes and look down. There's no reason to stay married to this narrative. Right. This is just what we did. This is what we do. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:51 And we understand that's a big part of real rejects. we take the reacting part very serious, especially if we know we're going to be capturing a reaction for that on camera. And this one's going to be hard because we know the thing that probably felt amazing to be surprised by. Yeah, yeah. So it's all going to be getting spoiled for us. But we're still going to wait to watch the footage when it's actually out, even though we heard what's in it already. And, you know, Spider-Man brand new day is having their leaks as well. So we're going to talk about, you know, our thoughts on Steve Rogers coming back. And and we're going to want to talk about lowly culture as well
Starting point is 00:08:28 and whatever you guys contributed in the super chats and stream labs today. Thank you guys so much. We see summer coming in. We're going to get to them actually sooner than later. So thank you guys so much for helping us out here. The last couple of streams have not been monetized.
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Starting point is 00:09:32 the super so we want to get to them much quicker than usual today mix it up so yeah why don't we just talk about the avengers doomsday stuff first okay based off what i'm seeing on these super chats and then of course we have stream labs as well steve rogers is back unceremoniously after actually keeping it a secret so what do you want to talk about first do you want to talk about the the marketing plan or do you want to talk about the fact that Steve Rogers is for sure back let's talk marketing first because I feel like that ties into my thoughts on him being back okay first off my real question do you think this was at all plan for it to be leaked no 10% of me thinks it's possible I think
Starting point is 00:10:20 that they released the footage to theaters and that someone acting in bad faith did this and that they tried taking it down and then lost the narrative and are now adjusting. I think that
Starting point is 00:10:36 they were trying to do something bold and they did that with the chairs and it worked. We still talk about the chairs. They were chairs and it's marketing that was effective to the point we're talking about chairs. That is the lowest cost way to advertise a huge thing ever. I think they genuinely were trying to do something that was going to get people in theaters to make the theater experience special.
Starting point is 00:10:54 I think that Avatar obviously is going to be huge no matter what, but I hear it's $300 million budget. So if you're needing to clear half a billion to get in the, you know, any sort of profit, you're going to want to incentivize that. I personally as a theater person, so I like that it was encouraging the movie theater experience, but I think they didn't account for the 2025 of it all. You've got, you know, TikTok culture is so much in theater filming. There's so much of like, you hear these like viral moments of like talk and say this and act like this and like we like the TikTok awards were last night.
Starting point is 00:11:33 And there were people live streaming in the front row of them watching. Yeah. The first annual TikTok awards. That's good. People were live streaming in the front row. Good music. When there's the actual thing. happening. It's fucking insane.
Starting point is 00:11:49 How would you experience what's there if you're here? And then why would you want people to, if you're filming the awards you cut people on their phones, there's not much more TikTok to that. So like, I feel like the culture, and it's hard because they ended up donating a lot of money to feeding America,
Starting point is 00:12:06 which I really respect. I think TikTok does a lot of good for media, but I think that it's also training a new generation to not understand media etiquette. And I think that's what's killing the theaters faster than anything. So I love the idea of getting people back in theaters, and I think Disney was trying to do that.
Starting point is 00:12:22 I think they underestimated the lack of morale. Because it's a great idea. It's a really cool concept. Four trailers that lead up to something and potentially three leading up to a big trailer and weekly releases like a comic book. I love all of that. I just don't know if in 2025 we can have nice things.
Starting point is 00:12:40 I think it would be incredibly naive for them to not consider all the things you said. I think that they maybe didn't directly plan, let's leak it. Sure. I think they 100% new. It would be, though. That's where I'm at. It's just so weird to have an announcement this big come out via people going, did you hear?
Starting point is 00:13:02 They know that leak culture is sadly. This is like, this is the weird part about the zeitgeist, I guess it would be the word for it, that we live in, is that leak culture in. because of the way audiences are now, does promote a movie while hindering the experience simultaneously, yet elevates anticipation, but ultimately when you get to the final
Starting point is 00:13:28 product, it kind of dilutes it. Yeah, weird. It is psychologically weird, because everything you just said, I totally agree with, but it's hard because from a business standpoint, they don't care. They don't care. And they, they're not stupid. But artists care.
Starting point is 00:13:44 I'm not, I'm not denigating the artist, I want to make that clear. think it's important we separate we're talking about producing and marketing yeah we are here knowing that well if you plan that if they said that to us like here's our plan we're going to put it they're like well you can't do that it'll leak yeah we would know it at a leak right away there's no we would know there's no version they would not be aware it would leak unless you take everyone's phones in every pre-show like a concert or a comedy show yeah which they should have done if they didn't want to leak they wanted it to leak when we saw um i think the no way home especially the way the way how the leaks for no way home i think was an absolute change in how leaks would forever
Starting point is 00:14:23 go because unlike everything before where they they still try to keep certain things under wraps of course i think they're trying to find some fine line here but no way home was unprecedented and how much that made no way home way more popular like the leaks were insane more insane than what we're getting right now like they were insane and they made more people talk about and more people anticipate it way more than ever before. And then leak in theory culture became even worse. Yeah. You know? And so I fully believe they 100% knew that this would happen. And I think they were kind of counting on it. It's just so messy because it is such an anticipated reveal. It's, it's what? 2018 was endgame? 19? It was 19. So it's been six years
Starting point is 00:15:09 since we've seen this character. Everyone wanted him back. Chris Evans showed up at some red carpet it looking like Steve Rogers and everybody lost their mind. So like, oh, we know what's going to happen. And I love the idea of not announcing it in the chairs, but giving him his own trailer. That feels very much like a comic book. That is completely undermined by the fact that we're talking about right now. We heard about it by way of the zeitgeist.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Like, I'm not going to feel the same rush of watching that trailer. It's impossible. There's no reality where watching that trailer can feel like, like it's happening. But according to what I'm reading on certain posts is that there's a lack of audience reaction in the theaters now. Maybe because they've heard about it. Maybe because they all heard about it. Oh, what a concept.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Like you said, if we saw Wesley Snype's name, maybe we wouldn't be as excited if we saw it pop up and death. But they don't care because they're talking about. That's my point. We are the problem. We have been talking about it. Everyone's been talking about it all week because it leaked. Right.
Starting point is 00:16:03 It was ruined for me like five days ago. Yeah. And that's a long time to be like, well, and I still haven't seen it because I went to see a press screening of Avatar, didn't have trailers on it. So I'm never going to get that moment. until they release it officially, and then I'll know. And how silly would it be to think that they can truly copyright every single version of this that's going to go out? They also can't copyright our verbs.
Starting point is 00:16:25 If we're walking around, we're talking about it. But it's going to be, it's everyone on the internet. Yeah. You know, it's so the one that I saw that I was like, is this it that I thought it was real for a second? I was like, oh, wait, this can't be real. Is the one, have you seen it where Robert Downey Jr., it's like he goes to his house and he's dressed up in like a green suit. He's confronting Chris Evans. And I was like, oh, I can't believe it's got
Starting point is 00:16:46 rude for me. It's just it's totally like an AI bullshit. Like, oh, what the fuck? He's got rude? I love that it's Dowdy in a green suit, like a regular suit. Is it like just like a two piece? I don't know. I didn't get a clear look at it. It's an old-timey swimsuit. Yeah, he's no more. But I love the idea of
Starting point is 00:17:06 Dowdy. He's like, hello. I am Victor. I hate Steve. Like, that's such a funny idea. Oh, God. a bummer man and so the marketing side I love the idea of the boldness the novelty I'm going with the optimism of getting people back in the theater
Starting point is 00:17:20 and people that are you know looking at the empire that is Disney be like well avatar doesn't need it I care so much more about the movie theater than any individual movie and I thought I made that clear with Superman like I loved the movie Superman is my top five of the year I had an amazing experience with it but I didn't love
Starting point is 00:17:37 that it went to VOD so quickly because I thought it would hinder the movie theater actual industry it ended up doing really well balancing like the drop off wasn't as bad it did numbers on vod that all made me happy but at the end of the day people went to see avatar previews attached to other movies people went to see dark night rises previews attached to other movies there was an entire era where people would go right now the odyssey people are going to see avatar to see the odyssey i know people that are leaving after the odyssey i happen to enjoy avatar three if people don't care they still went to the theater to see something
Starting point is 00:18:08 before it that culture is important to the movie theater and i care more about that than than the consumer. The theater industry means more to me. It is unfortunate that that can't exist anymore to scale. You know what metric I'm looking forward to, which I don't think we'll ever get because of what you're talking about. Because we already know a couple people who've done this. And it's like,
Starting point is 00:18:27 of course they've done this. I did this with I Am Legend, where they played the Dark Night Prologue. Sure, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Did I watch I Am Legend eight times? No. Certainly not. I saw the Dark Night Prolog eight times.
Starting point is 00:18:37 And then I returned my fucking ticket. Yeah. And they're going to change things where it's like, how many people will do that? Right. There's so many people that will do that. But with A-list, they won't return it. They won't?
Starting point is 00:18:48 Why would you? If you've got four tickets a week and you're only going to see another movie that week. They'll penalize you now. Do they? I think you guys in the chat can correct me, but I believe they added some features where it's like you can't, they don't want you to just willy-nilly book a seat and not care if you don't go so that no one else can get the ticket. If you don't scan in, yeah, there's like three or four a month you can get away with until there's a problem. Yeah, something like that. But these people are scanning in, though.
Starting point is 00:19:11 That's not real promotion then for the theatrical experience. That's just people, it's like, that's kind of like when people do ticket stubs for concerts and shit. Like, they're not really, you're not really getting more quantity of individuals going to the theater. But say a theater gets 40% that's still 40% and 20 bucks. You think there'll be somewhat bought people who will sit through another three and a half hours of the same movie? Because they want to watch another minute of Avengers. I'm saying they're going to not stay for the movie, but once you've already scanned the ticket in, and why would you take the effort to return it if it's A-list?
Starting point is 00:19:43 Yeah, they'll get money, but it's not the long-term game. Sure. Oh, yeah, yeah, 100%. People back in the theater experience. I'm agreeing with you. That is not, this isn't serving that like it used to. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:19:54 It's like we don't have The Odyssey serving the theater experience like I'm, I'm legended. Yeah. Well, actually, I have to imagine that the subscription model probably convolutes, went back when it was simple and you were just buying a ticket, going to watch this preview, and then leaving. There's like a very simple trail there, where it's like the subscription price, how does that get divvied up
Starting point is 00:20:14 between all the movies you go to in a month? You know, though, I do agree. I mean, imagine you like it. I like the idea of the, I like the concept a lot. A lot. Of the four trailers.
Starting point is 00:20:24 I think that's a really cool concept. And weekly feels like a comic and different character leads. It seems like that's their plan. That's cool. Especially with the quantity of characters that they already have in it, it's a good way to make it feel like
Starting point is 00:20:35 there's some breathing room. Maybe there's a way to do this, you know? And the first one being a reveal instead of just being another person we know for the chairs that's cool and it's smart with having it be with the russo brothers going out there essentially saying it's a sequel to end game yeah to ignore the last 40 projects that have come out totally the move it's kind of like a sequel it's a great way to
Starting point is 00:20:58 have that be in people's mind right away it is like a sequel to end game because you're picking up right with the last thing we saw in avengers end game i just put together i wonder if whatever's in this trailer is part of what they're putting at the end of end game in that post-credit scene. I wonder if, like, say this is a minute. Maybe there's two minutes at the end. Because they're doing an extra post-credit scene in end game. They've already said. Oh, the one where Robert Downey
Starting point is 00:21:20 Jr. shows up in his two-piece suit. And he's at the door. And he's like, hello, I'm Victor. That scene. He's a two-piece swimsuit. You saw it. With a metal mask gone. Nine months early, Greg, seen the scene. But like, what if that scene? People in the chat really want a reaction to this AI slop clip.
Starting point is 00:21:39 Why is they only saying the same lines He's already said in other movies before That's so weird Someone on a community post I want to shout him out Someone on a community post pointed out something When I said they were going to go live today at 10
Starting point is 00:21:51 And I was like I did not put that together That's so true And I want to make sure I just shout this person out Because I can imagine That the first person to say it But they were the first one
Starting point is 00:22:01 To point it out to me Which is I come on let me find it Then we can move on Here I do have a rim shot though I can't see Okay
Starting point is 00:22:11 Someone pointed out Sorry I should have shot it He tried Is that They said This would be Chris Evans
Starting point is 00:22:20 Fighting Doom for the third time That's really good I like that I did not That's a really good point Yeah That's funny
Starting point is 00:22:30 Well He can also say New Mask Same task Fighting Doom But it's a guy That's true They both can say
Starting point is 00:22:39 That line had been it. So let's, I want to go into, of course, with Chris Evans, like what this means, what the, you know, some of the perhaps controversy surrounding it. But before that, John, what did people super chat us? Oh, my goodness. We got a handful already. Hopefully we can make proper chapter breaks for the playback here. I was going to say, we want to pick it up.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Yeah. Where we left off. Even if one of these superchaps happens to go into what we want to talk about. Let's shift over to the thingy. There we go. We're on the super chat screen. We've got Sebastian Juntz following themselves up. Let's go. Love you guys. No, no. We did that way.
Starting point is 00:23:19 You got to refresh it, but... Oh, I thought we only did we can hear you. No, no, we definitely did you. We did it with a little one. Wow, thanks for what we just walk right into that one. Just speed run into that wall. Don't you fret, you. All right, all right.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Thanks for turning out, though. We've got a lovely turnout so far. Mitch! Oh, what are your leading theories as to why Robert Downey Jr. is Dr. Dume. Money. I do just flash to the Comic-Con moment, you know.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Takes it off. Is this Robert Downey Jr. being Robert Downey Jr. and his masks, you know. Same task, new mask. Or different mask? What is it? Same task. Different mask. Same task. Different mask, same task. Yeah. What do you do? My altruistic side thinks that Robert Downey
Starting point is 00:24:05 Jr. did miss the Marvel Universe and wanted to challenge and there's nothing more challenging than going from the anchor hero to the ultimate villain and actually proving himself as an actor like he left Marvel to go to Oppenheimer
Starting point is 00:24:19 and to go do the judge and to go things that like he wanted to be challenged this is a challenge so altruistically I think it's Robert Taney Jr. wanting a challenge. Pessimistically money.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Not Downy money which is ample but money from the perspective of the business wanting a bankable thing and the intrigue of Downey and us right now talking about it is this is all marketing.
Starting point is 00:24:41 And they knew that announcing him at Comic-Con would be huge marketing for that con and then would be huge marketing for the years to come leading up to the movie. So financially, it made a lot of sense. Does it make sense for the character? I cannot fathom how, and I'm very intrigued by that,
Starting point is 00:24:58 and that is something. But I want to be altruistic. The cool part of my fantasy brain is hearing Jeffrey Wright as the Watcher's voice explaining a world. Yeah. And like, what if? But the what if would have to be, though, what if Tony Stark became Dr. Dume?
Starting point is 00:25:15 Not what if Dr. Dume looked like Tony Stom. It all ties into Wonder Man, and it looks like actor Robert Downey Jr. It's the best part about this marketing is like, Wonder Man is getting properly promoted. And it's getting dumped in one day. Dump them one day. January 27th, all of it. All overshadowing anything with Wonder Man.
Starting point is 00:25:34 No trailers at all? No, there are. You just don't hear about them. Yeah, there's like two. They made it and they just didn't release. Juju did a trailer with Yaya. Yeah, that's right. That's right.
Starting point is 00:25:46 I saw him talking about like, I'm in the Straw Hac Goofy. I'm in the Marvel Cinematic Universe now. Canonically in universe, talking to Trevor Slattery and Simon, but he is Juju in that trailer, but I haven't seen it. Is Josh Gadd and Juju or MCU Canon now?
Starting point is 00:26:02 Cannon. And then Koi did a reaction to it, looking furious with jealousy. That's my reaction. Thanks, Mitch, for the question. What's the next one we got? Mine every week, mine next year. All right, here we go.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Myunk, Rananavare. Thank you for chiming in. Hey, Greg and Coy! Hello, from India. The Avengers Doomsday teaser did not play when I went to watch Avatar 3 today. Awkward.
Starting point is 00:26:27 I watched the new Rockstar's video to know everything about the teaser. Chris Evans! I heard that's happening in some screenings. That would be insane. If that's the whole... gamble that is so stupid you got to make sure you got that shit online because i heard it was attached after the intro videos yeah like you go through all the trailers then you go through and then it's
Starting point is 00:26:47 like attached to the movie itself not to the trailer reel i'm wondering if that's causing the problem where they're forgetting to attach the little boop in between because the way you slot digitally is like there's an order that's supposed to be and they're all files but it's supposed to go in an array that all precedes the guy driving and then Nicole kidman i'm wondering if that's an actual problem because it's not where it's supposed to go. When we used to lace film, there was an order of where you'd splice the reel to go in front of the trailer.
Starting point is 00:27:13 Digitally, it's just sliding, but there could be a thing where the file's not meant to live there and it's just not attaching. Now, Mynack, I read your question as if you were, you went only to watch the trailer. And that got me also very curious now, because I imagine you went to also watch Avatar 3. But how many people would actually go
Starting point is 00:27:34 just to watch the trailer and what does that say about the Avatar franchise if they need Avengers trailer to promote Avatar. Avatar has to make so much money. Yeah. Synergy. Netflix should just buy them. It's for the best. Let's move on to
Starting point is 00:27:50 Mike the Falcon. Absolutely. Thank you, Mike, for chiming in as well. Fail on not doing a trailer react to Disc Day. What's Disc Day? discovery Discovery Day Oh that
Starting point is 00:28:08 The Steven Spielberg movie Disclosure Day Oh, Disclosure. Oh Yeah, it's the new Steven Spielberg Alien Picture No, we'll just watch it Emily
Starting point is 00:28:18 We'll just react to it But I'm excited he's doing another film With David Kipp Who also wrote Jurassic Park And War the Worlds I didn't need to look that up I remember that. He's also a huge UFO guy
Starting point is 00:28:31 So I'm really curious Yeah Thank you, Mike. I mean, yes, Spilbert kind of pioneered the alien genre, but he's a prevailing part of pushing that forward in cinema quite a bit. And he came up with aliens.
Starting point is 00:28:46 I'm really curious to see him get another summer blockbuster. I'm really excited for this one. Yeah, like Ready Player 1. Woo! All right. Hannah Daniels, thank you for chiming in. Longtime watcher, first time commenter bummed about rumors Sadie's
Starting point is 00:29:00 Jean Grey, hoped for 80s, Spider-Man and his amazing friends Firestar X-Men intro. Well, that's what I heard about the trailer. So here's the truth. I saw like a bit of it, but it's so bad looking. I don't know how
Starting point is 00:29:16 anyone made sense of it. I didn't even bother to watch it. I told this to Aaron, who actually made the attempt to watch it. And I was like, I couldn't make out anything, so I didn't even bother watching it. I have no interest in finding out anything by way of blur. But to my understanding, it doesn't tell you at all
Starting point is 00:29:32 who she is in the trailer. It just has a hint that's maybe a type of position she might play by one line, but even that, what I heard is that it actually opens up more questions more than it does confirm
Starting point is 00:29:46 or give any clarity on who she is, actually. So she very well could still be Gene Gray. I personally know, it's disrespect to Hannah, but I hope it is Gene Gray and not Firestar. Firestar would be a one-off
Starting point is 00:29:59 and Sadie Sink is better than that. And I also, I have no real attachment, to the amazing friends other than the cute novelty of it. But, like, I think Gene Gray got introduced heavily in Ultimate Spider-Man, the 2000s run with Bagley, and that was a really cool way to kind of have that teen-anxed play from Spider-Man's Teen-Ax into the X-Men Teen Angst.
Starting point is 00:30:16 And Sadie Sink is, like, a force. I want her in the MCU for 10 years. I want her to, like, have a character. Yeah. I think she'd be a great Gene-Gray. So that's what I hope it is. Yeah, I think she'd be a really good Gene-Gray. And I've been saying that since she was cast,
Starting point is 00:30:28 that she needs to be long game. and if you want to introduce the X-Men, start doing it in other giant movies. I don't want to meet all the X-Men for the first time in an X-Men movie. Like, what we had, the beauty of the Avengers was we'd met Cap, we'd met Thor. Like, we built to the Avengers.
Starting point is 00:30:43 I don't want to just start the X-Men. Like, here's the X-Men. Like, it won't feel like we've gotten time with them. Even if they've got 10 minutes of screen time in another movie and build to the X-Men, that'd be preferable. Yeah. Good point. Good point.
Starting point is 00:30:54 Well, before we move on to more super chats and we've got some stream labs, let's bring it back to the main subject at hand. We're bobbing and weaving today. We have a goal to actually end on the time. I believe in the stream. I believe in it. So, Coy, let's bring you back to the main subject now.
Starting point is 00:31:11 Chapter break. Chris Evans. Yes. What was your initial? Because we actually heard about him returning a long time ago, and it seemed like it was probably more than likely going to happen. What is your initial feelings on it and have your feelings changed at all at knowing he is back? to be honest
Starting point is 00:31:31 I think bringing back any of the people that died in endgame or retired or left undermines not just phase four and five but endgame sure I talk all the time
Starting point is 00:31:44 about the perfect arcs that the big three got I love I personally love and I and there's a video of me I think it was 2019 Comic-Con I got to talk to Marcus and McPhilly and we broke down the structure
Starting point is 00:31:57 of each of their arcs and they talked about how early they started planting the seeds of selfless to selfish from selfish to selfless and finding of self like those three perfect trajectories that all interwe with each other with the three is only possible in a 20 film running series that is so unique to the medium of shared universe into comic books to get to accomplish something like that so to wipe it away is upsetting like we're undermining it with downy for sure but now we're also undermining it by like no matter how Steve Rogers comes back,
Starting point is 00:32:29 it's not going to be us thinking about, hey, he finally made a decision for himself. He finally decided to put down being a soldier and he got to live not in wartime. He finally got to make a decision that was about him, not everyone else. I love that inversion of Downey and Evans. And now we're going to be getting an inversion of Downey and Evans
Starting point is 00:32:50 or an undermining of that by having him return and either be too big of a factor fighting a Doom character because it's going to be like Civil War again but not the guy that is the face that he thinks he feels about face or it's going to be like a relationship that he should have with Reed or it's going to be leaning into his Nazi elements that they've kind of askewed over time his fascism in Latvaria is really tricky
Starting point is 00:33:21 because there's elements of Doom that, especially in the recent One World Under Doom, comic genius summer event, that show how Doom sees his benevolence as the ultimate in saving people and all fascists do, all dictators believe they're doing the right thing. If we make it so obviously a Nazi parallel,
Starting point is 00:33:44 there's no reality where Downey gets to have anything but mustache twirling to do. So worst case scenario, you're turning into, to a red skull light. Best case scenario you're playing on the Civil War stuff
Starting point is 00:33:55 which undermines Reed and neutral case scenario you're undermining the brilliant arc that you landed after 23 films to get to that point. I don't see a net benefit
Starting point is 00:34:05 except for money. It is one of the rare times because when I would watch any of these Avengers movies I would think about Tony Stark and Iron Man. I would think about Captain America. Now I'm like hyper aware
Starting point is 00:34:20 of the actor. You know? Chris Evans is back. Yeah, I'm hyper aware. I don't know how I would like see pass and only see Steve Rogers. Like he's so good in the role. He really is. But I imagine I would.
Starting point is 00:34:31 I think that's a bunch of, once you're watching the movie. Yeah, once you're watching it or even I'm sure watching the trailer, it's like, yeah, Steve Rogers is back. It does feel like, uh, I wonder if I, I don't feel like we needed to know this. I feel like we didn't, I don't know if we needed to actually know that. Maybe they have. It has to make so much money They've already ruined so many cameos though
Starting point is 00:34:54 Right They've already ruined so many appearances By the chair reveal that we keep going back to Right That I kind of wish they were At least attempting to You know how No Way Home didn't Ever do a confirmation
Starting point is 00:35:06 Yeah That Andrew Garfield Like let us speculate Let us rumor, let the leaks happen But never confirmed that Right That way when it happens And the first TV spot is like
Starting point is 00:35:16 Swinging Yeah yeah But we'd already all seen it It already made a billion dollars That's my point Yeah. So I wish they kind of held off on that. But yes, it is a different time for Marvel now. So they do have to kind of get more butts and seats. And I don't know what the average audience member is like now, though, is what I see is a constant divide with with this. And I feel both feelings, if I'm being totally honest. I'm not trying to placate to both. I just naturally feel both. One side of me is like, I really like Chris Evans as Steve Rogers. So to see more of him sounds cool. And if you're going to. going to do your big closeout and it has to be a sequel to the end game if you're going to bring Robert Downey Jr. back. I guess you're bringing back too. It would be fun. I heard he might be the
Starting point is 00:35:59 lead in the movie, which is kind of weird to me. Because then that definitely plays to your point of like, it shouldn't be a, it shouldn't be a Captain America or Steve Rogers versus Robert Downey Jr. Doom. It shouldn't be, they don't want to sell us that this is a doom proper. Yeah. It should be Reed then. And Doom, right? but the other side too is a lot of people are picking up more on the desperation that this is feeling like and then the true nostalgia bait and granted that that doesn't seem to be as strong or as work as much as it did before so there's both this real optimistic and excited side where that still works and there's also this other side that is really negative towards the fact that they keep revealing all this and they're relying on these uh relying on these characters coming back which seems to undercut all the work they did before and then of course the bigger conversation at hand because I've seen people already go back and forth about like they're saying Steve Rogers is back not Captain America like yeah but it's not really going to help Anthony Mackey's case you're like yeah it's still going to make people be like they should
Starting point is 00:37:05 just kick Anthony Mackey out and bring back Chris Evans and so and they it would probably be more exciting Doctor Who is a great example I know you don't watch Doctor Who but you've heard of the actors who played him David Tennant Matt Smith yeah There, sometimes they do a crossover with the doctors because they deal with time travel. There's one of the coolest crossovers ever is when Matt Smith and David Tennant have an episode together and they're working together. That is only great because Matt Smith had plenty of time to be a great doctor. Yeah, he was his own man. He was his own doctor.
Starting point is 00:37:41 He wasn't in the shadow. He wasn't like, just bring back David Tennant. There was none of that happening. if Anthony Mackey had that already with Captain America and then Steve Rogers got to share the screen with him then it would be so much cooler to me it would be so much more exciting and my worry is that the Russo's are the ones
Starting point is 00:38:00 who set up Anthony Mackey to be Captain America and I don't want any type of it's going to overshadow him right away and I don't feel like it really helps the conversation at all around Anthony Mackey and this is coming from a guy who really didn't like that Captain America Brave New World movie I'm still rooting for him though
Starting point is 00:38:16 to, you know I'm trying to say My big tinfoil hat theory is recently they relaunched Captain America and it's written by Chip Zadarski and Chip Zadarski is I think one of the best comic writers. He did Spider-Man Life Story he did one of the best runs of Daredevil of all time
Starting point is 00:38:33 the really long-running one that a lot of the characters that are being adapted is from Chip Zarski is one of the goats. He's incredible sex criminals is great he's so good Zadarski both as an artist and a writer but he's known for bold swings and them working. Like Zadarski is a legend of Marvel.
Starting point is 00:38:50 He actually got started on Howard the Duck after Guardians won, but he's great. He just did Captain America relaunch, and my crazy theory is the ultimate universe that is the number one selling Marvel comic is ending unceremoniously in January. They're doing a big year two, and then it's ending.
Starting point is 00:39:06 They're canceling all the ultimate titles. Ultimate Spider-Man is ending at 24. It is the number one selling Marvel title week after week, month after month. I think they might do a big New 52-esque thing and make Cap and Doom enemies
Starting point is 00:39:23 in a bigger way because the most recent issue of Captain America I think it was issue four is a much bigger Captain America and Doom have a long rivalry in a big way. I know they made Amon Valani a mutant because they wanted it
Starting point is 00:39:35 to tie in to the mutinness of the MCU in the show. I'm wondering if they're going to start doing that with comics where like you know Cap and Doom are really more of enemies than you realized. I think they're going to start changing the mediums to reflect the movies, not the other way around.
Starting point is 00:39:48 That's the best default, right? Right. So you're like, if there's a comic, it's based on the comic. What worries me is that it's alienating the comic fans if you suddenly make that more important than it ever has been. But also, this is the first time Marvel has been like the Patriots. Like the Patriots won every Super Bowl for a long time. So they were hated by default.
Starting point is 00:40:09 And then when they started not winning, it was so easy to hate them more because It's like, oh, you don't have Brady and Belichick. You guys aren't even a team. To me, this feels like the Patriots after winning like six Super Bowls and they're going to be coming back. I don't know if you can weigh on the Steve Rogers thing in the way you could have five years ago
Starting point is 00:40:25 because the people that are saying there's no reactions in theaters. I don't know if that's true or not, but I guarantee you it's being augmented by people that aren't excited wanting it to be true. Everyone, no one's going to text, tweet, Instagram post about how excited people were because it's not cool.
Starting point is 00:40:42 It's not in vogue to be excited for Marvel. It's popular to be mad at Marvel. So if there's a great reaction, we're not going to see the Thor landing with the hammer footage. We're only going to see like, and that's all we're going to hear about. I don't think they can play the same games they did before. So they shouldn't have revealed it, in my opinion, because you're not going to get that hype. They need to be the underdog, and they need to come out swinging and make this incredible movie. But you've got people that are running a business trying to make sure they get butts and seats.
Starting point is 00:41:10 So it's a really hard line to walk. I don't envy them. I really want them to do well. I don't think this was the move. No. John, are you, how do you feel about Steve Rogers coming back? Can't. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:41:23 I'm so excited. I can't even be on camera right now. I mean, I'm dumb with you guys. Like, I'm torn about it because obviously, yeah, it's like it's nice to give him a happily ever after. And it's nice in the MCU to feel like there is something finite that can just be well. round it and have an ending of sorts and I mean this such a significant code of that movie
Starting point is 00:41:46 it's one of those things where like everything they're doing to your point is like they're doing all these things that could potentially undermine which is like raising the stakes in a fascinating way but like so much could go wrong and it feels like there's so little I feel like it's Dr. Strange at the end of end game where it's
Starting point is 00:42:03 like I've looked at every possible reality and there's only a couple where this actually works and I hope that we're really funny that's exactly what I feel and I hope that we're that reality, but I am certainly apprehensive. So, like, it's nice to have the anticipation factor for some huge Marvel thing, but it's the first time that it's come with such a high degree of, like, apprehension for me. That makes sense. But the, the big thing they needed, though, is people talking. And it's working. People are talking. They are talking. Whether it's
Starting point is 00:42:34 cynical or positive, people are talking, and this is the type of cynicism that will still get people to watched. Totally agree. Yeah. It's not the type of like, you know, woke MCHU and those people who won't go. Do you have you seen the cast list? What do you mean? When they did like Brazil and they had like all the cast like there's like four teams and they like put
Starting point is 00:42:54 up all the things. It's like dudes. Like it was so funny that like when you actually look at who's in this movie it's like yeah it's eight out of ten dudes. Got a lot of dudes. It was like they read every em and she you think they're like we got to fire all the women. We won boys. Yeah. We won fellas. A lot of cock in the doomsday.
Starting point is 00:43:10 girls allowed in the tree house. That's right. That's right. Swinging that big old doomsday clock! It's crazy. It's like... If he wears a big flavor of late. I hadn't realized it was so dude heavy until I saw the cast and I was like, they really did not
Starting point is 00:43:26 want this to be called MCHU. They are about the man meat. Trying to think of words I can say on YouTube, but it's heavy. Yeah. The sea stands for something. I mean, the marvels are deaf. I mean, I don't know about a mom Volani, but Brie Larson has to be in this, and Tiana Paris has to be in this.
Starting point is 00:43:45 With the way that ended, yeah. Yeah. And I hope Amman Vlani is in it just so she can geek out. I want Amman Valani to be in it as much as I want Miss Marvel to be in it. I want nothing but Amman Valani and Tom Holland to interact. Dude, so bad. That's so much so. That's my dream of watching people.
Starting point is 00:44:00 Well, it's because, like, she's playing the modern version of Silver Age Spider-Man. Like, that's the character. Miss Marvel is so much, like, our modern take on that character. And Tom's doing Sedge God playing the modern Spider-Man. want that. Yeah, I totally agree. Before I move on to a little bit of Spider-Man Talk, John, can we hop into the stream labs? Thank you guys. Yes, of course.
Starting point is 00:44:18 We're seeing these are coming in. We are going to be on track today. I believe in us. Stream live, super chat break, then Spider-Man Talk. Heck yeah. All right, let's switch out. So the first one is from Stephen. All right. It's the ban.
Starting point is 00:44:34 107 a.m. Hey, we're getting into it much quicker. Hey, nice. Two and a half hours. Hey. We'd like to be expedient. Stephen, thank you for chiming in. You said, last week, sometimes you like to use recliners
Starting point is 00:44:47 watching movies and cinemas. Well, in the UK, there's a cinema chain offering luxury pods and beds. My question is why. Beds are for sleeping in, not watching a film
Starting point is 00:44:59 in cinema. Big love from the UK. Oh, I think a bed is pushing it. There are pods that I pick where it's like, it lays down. It's practically a bed. it's like a seat that is all the way like like a like a like an airplane bed yeah like those like a first class class class yeah that are not as comfortable as people might
Starting point is 00:45:20 they're not worth three grand yeah there's like this is really tight yeah it's way too much for the time you're in it um a bed just seems like a bed though wait a bridge too far i imagine like a tempripetic when he was saying that and you know like with settings and cooling settings and stuff. I think that's a little too far because I think a big part is energy. Yeah, I agree with that. And I think a bed pulls out energy. By nature. Yeah. Yeah. And you want to distinguish experience from watching in your home. Right. You know, and comfort's important, but there's too much comfort. Yeah. Like, I'm my point last week. Like, honestly. I feel like I'm in my living room in the big squishy recliner chair and then I am not as engaged. I don't have anything
Starting point is 00:46:05 that comfortable in my living room. Yeah, I don't know. I don't either. It feels like a thing metaphorically. John's metaphorical lazy boy. Well, and I don't, my back requires a firmer chair, I think. So it's personal for me, but like a bed is ridiculous. Like, don't go to the movies if you're going to be in bed. Also, it encourages other bad behavior. I used to work in an I-pick, and we had to throw out some blankets.
Starting point is 00:46:28 Oh, really? That was about to say. There were times that I had to make awkward conversations and take care of things, and it was unpleasant. Oh, man. Yeah. I did. I worked there
Starting point is 00:46:39 50 shades of gray. Oh, no way. I worked there for 50 shades. I worked there for bad moms, which was surprisingly a horny crowd. I worked there for like some, uh, for magic mic.
Starting point is 00:46:49 Uh, I did. I am button to button or two. Made some money. One of my biggest regrets, not going to the theater with a bunch of, oh, dude.
Starting point is 00:46:55 It was amazing, dude. That theater smelled like, it was like, it was like a moscy, beautiful, like, it was, you'll have your first period at that screen. A hundred percent.
Starting point is 00:47:07 That room was, moist for days. Horny 40-year-old women. Yeah, dude. It was the best. That was like some of the most profitable theaters, too. It was really solid. But yeah, you don't want beds for a lot of reasons.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Anyway. Thanks. Let's move on to Asa'a Ali. I mean, no, no, no. Yeah, Hassan Ali. Yeah, but I'm glad we're in agreement, though. Haseena, Ali, thank you for chiming in. Very shocking news in Hollywood recently about the death of Rob and Michelle Reiner,
Starting point is 00:47:33 legendary filmmaker. Absolutely. That was, I'm so, I think all of us are still kind of reeling. from that. It's been a talk around here off camera quite a bit. You interviewed him right? Not long ago. He is a huge reason that I had so much
Starting point is 00:47:47 like I worked with the HR a lot over the summer and into the fall because of him. I did a New York Comic-Con I'm sorry, San Diego Comic-Con. I had a bunch of interviews and Rob Reiner's was the last of my first day and the chaos of Comic-Con they were running a little late and they were all so apologetic and I was like, it's Rob Reiner.
Starting point is 00:48:07 I will stay until a little 11 o'clock at night. It's not a problem. So I tucked in and then when they got there, they were like so appreciative that we waited and it was not a problem. But they were like, if you want a little extra time
Starting point is 00:48:16 and I was like, yes, I would like more time with Rob Reiner. So we talked before we were getting set up and it was this really, really special moment for me because I'm a huge fan of his. And I told him,
Starting point is 00:48:27 I was like, you're one of the great living, working directors. It's actually an honor to talk to you. I talk to people for a living. I don't get this excitement as often anymore. It really means a lot that like you're here
Starting point is 00:48:38 and thank you for being at Comic Con and he's like so you're a little intimidated or you excited? Like he was like challenging me and I was like little of both he was like that's my boy and we had this really like fun
Starting point is 00:48:47 like set up banter that made me really excited in all the positive ways and hearing his voice was like hearing childhood that man's voice is so many iconic things whether it's acting or what he produced
Starting point is 00:48:58 like he's also an incredible TV producer behind the scenes footage of TV for him is like so many things but like as a director he was seven for seven across genres and it should changed my view of what our director could be. So to interview him, we were interviewing about this is Spinal Tap 2.
Starting point is 00:49:12 And this is Spinal Tap is, I think, the greatest mockumentary ever made. I hadn't seen two yet at the time. But talking about it was so exciting because it was so meta, and I love meta. And I think the first one was like ahead of its time meta. And it was before the second one to come out. And we were talking about the meta nature of modern society. So I got to dive deep into Meta Modernism with someone that can actually talk my language about it. I got to talk about all these things.
Starting point is 00:49:33 But I made it 80% about that, 20% about the rest of his career. and the excitement he got talking about how the bucket list was something he invented and now it's modern lexicon. The excitement he got finding out that like the Superman press tour we framed so much around the Princess Bride because that's Corn Set's one of his favorite movies
Starting point is 00:49:50 and Ryder loves Superman. So there were so many things that I got to like give someone that gave so much to me joy. But the interview itself was going to be like 10 minutes and ended up being 25 I think and we trimmed it down to 15 for the cut. But the whole time we were like in this great sink and it was like
Starting point is 00:50:05 I'd known the guy forever. He made it so comfortable and he was so giving with his time and energy and after the interview he thanked me a bunch and we ended up talking again and then I was at a party
Starting point is 00:50:14 over the weekend at a Comic Con and his team came over and they were like hey that was Rob's favorite interview of the con and he was so glad he came down for that
Starting point is 00:50:22 and he like we had this really special moment with his team and I was like I'm honored you guys came to tell me this this means that gave me the juice
Starting point is 00:50:29 to deal with 20 bad interviews like I was like oh my God this is everything and then I found out he asked me to come and interview the Spinal Tap cast himself to THR.
Starting point is 00:50:37 So I sat down with the Spinal Tap musicians, not with the actors. I sat down with Spinal Tap in character and I needed to stay in character. So I got to do improv with legends for 20 minutes
Starting point is 00:50:49 an episode of TV in character. All my questions had to be about their character. It was so special and I found out it was because he asked that I come
Starting point is 00:50:57 and then I found out at the premiere of the next night they all asked where I was because there was going to be originally the first draft of Spinal Tap their friend named Koi was in the script
Starting point is 00:51:06 and they'd never met another coy so all of the guys were so excited Rob had told them about me like I left an impact and Rob Reiner to the point where I got brought back in and like that dude did not have to be so kind he didn't have to like he's a legend
Starting point is 00:51:19 and we spent a lot of time together and then he helped further my career like he went out of his way to make sure he like when I meet someone and they're good at their job I always like to make sure people know he did that himself for me and he's the legend
Starting point is 00:51:32 so this death is like it's brutal because no one is that kind and no one is that much of a legend that actually still remembers what's it like to just be getting started or just be like adjusting your stuff and he went out of his way to like really support and uh just a really good dude and like so warm so pleasant it's been fucking me up so yeah crazy and the way it happened is always going to be like an asterisk in his career which is awful like i hate that like now we're talking about him and it's not you know about princess bride or bucket list or you know my girl or his infinite number of career attributes like this will always be
Starting point is 00:52:03 something that comes up in it and i and i hate that for his legacy. I feel your pain. It's been, yeah, it's been a rough week. It's been, usually stuff doesn't hit me because, um, you know, it's, I don't like parasocial relationships. I think it's gross when there's that thing. We're like, I totally knew them because of their work.
Starting point is 00:52:17 And I get that it's human nature to connect. But usually it's like people profiting off of other people's death that really bothers me. Like all the posts that are like, well, this is about me in my experience of. So I haven't really wanted to talk about it too much. But I also think that he did affect me in such a specific way that I want to honor that. Um, so it's been a tricky week. Yeah, it's been hard. He's a very special guy and his work, hopefully last lifetimes.
Starting point is 00:52:40 I think it will. Well, we appreciate your vulnerability and we appreciate you being, uh, very honest about it. Thank you for sharing them. That was a long answer, but hopefully. Rob Ryder meant a lot to me. Rob Ryder means me. Is that worth $3, man? Rob Ryder means a lot to me.
Starting point is 00:52:58 He's a very special, very special artist and creator. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. That's part of the best. Best thing I could have been said right now. Thank you. The way we keep people around, you know? Yeah, and that's what I want.
Starting point is 00:53:09 I want to always have a, you know, a little anecdote or memory or attachment, too. I rewatched when Harry Met Sally, like an honor. And I definitely will be watching Princess Prior to the Holiday because I always do. But yeah, it's going to have a little bit of a different flavor right now. I've never seen one Harry met. Oh, dude, it's the best fall movie of all time. Oh, that's my favorite series. It's an autumnal film.
Starting point is 00:53:27 Add it to the reaction list. Hey. And I got to do my, my girl. Never see my girl? Dude, I don't think I have seen that. I would argue he went seven for seven with his debut onward, and that's insane run. All right.
Starting point is 00:53:41 Well, thank you. Thank you so much, Hussein. Stephen's back. Stephen. He says, went to see Avatar Fire and Ash this morning, and it done what I feared. It focused on how it looked, which looked stunning,
Starting point is 00:53:54 but lacked on story or connection to characters. The major was disappointing in this, but loved him in the first two films. Coy, fight this man. man, fight Stephen. I think... Coy loves Avatar now. I think it's...
Starting point is 00:54:07 I am one of the most casual avatar goers. I really enjoy the spectacle, but I rarely connect to the films. The first one I think is revolutionary in its visuals, and I remember thinking fondly of the theatrical experience, but when I revisited, I'm like, I'm happy, James Cameron's
Starting point is 00:54:25 happy. And then the second one came out, I was like, it's better than the first. And I was like, I don't care about anyone. And I feel like that movie is really trying to get you to care. So I was very upset that I couldn't connect, went back and saw it a second time and felt even more disconnected. So I went into Avatar 3 like, I'm a see some shiny. And I was excited for shiny. I think that helped me because instead of expecting cinema, I expected shiny and I actually
Starting point is 00:54:48 got cinema. Like I was connected to the characters way more. I cared way more about the family. I actually personally, disrespectfully, I mean, disrespectfully, disrespectfully disagree. I connected way more to the general now that he wasn't just, I'm a bad guy. I think Stephen Lang did a good job not playing I'm a bad guy for all three films But this time I actually felt the nuance of why he was torn over his son
Starting point is 00:55:10 Versus just I'm torn because the script says I need to be I also really like the concept of Jake Sully Being an inspiration as a father To someone that doesn't know how to be a father in a way That would feel so counterproductive to him as a man There's a lot of really interesting masculinity concepts And most of all what I like about the film is There's so often man versus nature
Starting point is 00:55:29 Like there's the three main trips Man versus Self man man versus nature. Rarely is there nature versus man, wherein nature has to have the strength that we should in life. I am someone who struggles politically because I consider the people that I identify with more often than not as fairly toothless. And I really struggle in modern society where like society feels like it's crumbling, identifying with people that are bitches. And the movie actually decides to show that you can be someone that believes and cares for others and not be a bitch and it made that a plot point
Starting point is 00:56:02 like there's an entire third act where it's like hey I know we've been doing this for a long time and we've decided to be pussies but maybe we don't be pussies now and I like that the movie decided to like show some strength in also being empathetic so I fuck with it all right not the popular opinion
Starting point is 00:56:18 but you made me appreciate it more I'm glad it really is my favorite one yeah I liked it more than the first okay live it at that John and I talked about extensively already you can go check out our You guys are you guys streaming right now.
Starting point is 00:56:32 Mario Rejects YouTube channels. You did pretty well. I thought it was okay. I got a non-spoiler and a spoiler review up on my page that I get into way more at length, but I'm glad we all thought it was fine. End up. For the most.
Starting point is 00:56:46 All right. All right. Thank you, Stephen. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it as much as coy. George Green. Thank you for chiming in. I kept saying, my girl, stand by me. I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 00:56:58 My girl. stand by me I just want to make sure the chat thank you for correcting me I appreciate well we don't stand by that error George Green thank you for chiming in hey guys a few months ago I let you know that Greg inspired
Starting point is 00:57:13 me to lose weight and get in shape here's the update on the progress I have lost a total of 132 pounds and seven months 608 down a 476 thank you for being such an incredible person and inspiration Damn, that's impressive.
Starting point is 00:57:32 132 pounds in seven months is incredible. There's no way you can make your progress about anything I did, man. That was all you. Congratulations. That's very impressive. I think the heavier you are. Wow. A lot of people don't compute it is that, oh, obviously, the heavier you are, the easier should be to feel motivated to lose weight.
Starting point is 00:57:55 But really, that puts you in some type of. cycle where you can actually shame yourself you escape with more food you're like when you feel bad about yourself that's how you end up getting to a point where food becomes like very addicting i mean there could be like genetic reasons and whatever but a lot of the time it is it is a drug that it becomes and so they say a lot of it's psychological so this is also the discipline to say no to things you're tempted to have even if you're honestly even if i think even if you are if you do ozambic or manjaro i'm not so saying you do, but even if you are, that's still impressive, you know, because there's a lot of
Starting point is 00:58:31 people who do that, and they don't lose weight. So all the credit goes to you, man. Congratulations. That's very impressive. Very impressive. Absolutely. Beautiful. We talk a lot about fitness. You and me. Off, off of, off camera, we do. It's a big part. This is a very, very slow backdoor pilot for fitness podcast. Yeah. The 10-year plane. Really impressive. No, commends, man. That's that's insane. Absolutely. And then Dan, for now closing out this chapter of the super chat of the stream labs dan v 900 says my big worry with dooms day and with steve back is even more of a major concern is that we aren't digging into the doom and reed rivalry as you guys have brought up steve versus an alternate tony feels very lazy just feels desperate and grasping for money no faith in the characters too in the new characters i feel like that is the biggest disservice which we like briefly touched on i feel like
Starting point is 00:59:27 is the biggest disservice that you'd be doing to this. Everyone knew. Like when I hear Steve Rogers is back, it pits it back more to the fact that it's the face of Tony Stark and then it's probably going to be more on that emphasis of the face of Tony Stark and Chris Evans, who is, you know, altruistic Captain America guy and who has to contend with this and we'll probably have a hard time fighting this gentleman. And it takes away from the thing that we have wanted in the MCU with Dr. Doom is that we haven't gotten a really good adaptation yet. Yeah. Mr. Fantastic fitted against Dr. Duke.
Starting point is 01:00:07 We just haven't gotten that yet. And bringing Steve Rogers back seems like there will be more emphasis on that could be wrong. Very much could be wrong. That is the main concern that I do have is robbing us of that. What's tricky for me is that I can do the thing that I always, you know, I always have to do with comic movies is you have to. separate the comic from the movie because it's not an adaptation or a translation that's meant to be directed is a adaptation that's meant to be like for the medium of that's why civil war is
Starting point is 01:00:36 not civil war that's why you know when you translate a thing and i get that the mc u is doing something different with these characters so if i somehow put that hat firmly on and ignore 70 years of character work 60 plus years of character work with doom i still have to contend with the fact that they're undermining phase four and five like even if i just look at the movies. If you're bringing back, I've been saying since end game ended, they're going to do playing the hits if they have trouble with phase four and five. And now that they're playing the hits, it really does make every album they release since then not on their greatest hits CD highlighted. And that's a real bummer because this was supposed to be Shung Chi. This was
Starting point is 01:01:15 was supposed to be Kang. This was supposed to be Fantastic Four. This was supposed to be these new characters. And now it just can't be. Yeah. I concur. So guys, I'm going to give you a two minute heads up. In two minutes we will be disabling the super chats from coming in. We will of course do every single one that does come in. But in two minutes we will disable it. And yeah, so thank you guys
Starting point is 01:01:38 because we know we got a good amount that we do have to go through. But I'm previewing them. Just wanting to see if any of this stuff would pop up in here, but apparently not. So let's just take a few minutes, Coy. We'll call this chapter of the Spider-Man brand new day talk. I don't know of respect whatever you want.
Starting point is 01:01:56 I don't want to know anything in the trailer. You don't want to know Jack. If possible. Okay. Then I won't tell you. I now know Sadie Sink is in the trailer. I didn't know that until I sat in the show. I don't know if she's in the trailer, but you hear her voice.
Starting point is 01:02:05 Okay. Didn't, but yeah, like that's, I've avoided, I need to be off the internet anyway, but I've avoided specifically Spider-Man brand-new day because it's my number one comic movie next year. Well, IGN, but when it comes out officially, we will have a very in-depth video to talk about that, and that's going to be a great day. We'll watch the trailer that day. To my understanding, there's like a.
Starting point is 01:02:26 a couple of things, I won't say any specifics, there's like a couple of things that raised questions about are they going to do this in it? But for the most part, it's things we already know. You know, punishers in it, Hulk's in it. All the things we've talked about before, the villains that we
Starting point is 01:02:42 know are going to be in it. Full trailer. Yeah, it's a lot of things. But then there's like a couple of poses and the, you know, and there's a line from Sadie Sink that has people speculating about what roles she might have. And like, IGN, New masks seem to have.
Starting point is 01:02:57 Yeah. Like, why is everyone saying this? What is that tagline? So to me, the surprising part about this leak is this is why I have such a tinfoil hat on about, is this really an accident? Reason. Because then a better quality version went up, apparently. Of Spider-Man. Of this trailer.
Starting point is 01:03:21 Yeah, apparently it was a better quality version that was circulating. Okay. And, uh, you know, like, the, with no way home, they had an exact situation happened where a bad quality unfinished version went out. Yeah. And the internet loved it. Mm-hmm. Just like right now. They loved it.
Starting point is 01:03:49 And we already saw, because, and the reason why I'm saying, like, I don't feel like it might not be as accidental as we think it is. because a lot of what's in there, imagine if we didn't know the Punisher was in there. Right. Imagine we didn't know Hulk was in this movie. Imagine we didn't know those things. But they announced it in the trades. Sure.
Starting point is 01:04:09 And then they let us see a lot of shit on sets where they knew the public would be taking photos. They let everyone in on it to make us sort of feel like we're seeing shit that maybe we shouldn't be seeing. It was great marketing. Great marketing to make it have the, uh, the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, feeling of a leak or something we shouldn't be. But then closed off the dialogue days.
Starting point is 01:04:30 Like they had specifically the shots we saw him swinging and stuff. They did in the same area they did dialogue and they closed those days. Yeah. Which I thought was genius. Because we didn't get plot leaks. And I'm saying that it just seems like a little naive again and a little odd to me that the exact same thing would happen with the next Spider-Man movie. Which is out even sooner than Doomsday. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:56 Batman, like, actually is around the right time for a new trailer. Like, how can they not have, if they really wanted this shit to be nipped in the butt, don't you think they would have been like, okay, what went wrong last time? Right. Maybe we shouldn't let the exact same thing that happened happen again. Also, brand new day is not meant to be attached to Avatar. So, like, where was this trailer shown? Like, how is this trailer leaked, is my point.
Starting point is 01:05:20 I don't know, trailer companies and maybe for editing purposes or something like that because you get a lot of, like, VFX. There's a lot of different steps Because there's unfinished VFX The timing's crazy with an avatar Like I'm just pointing out that like Doomsday That's out in theaters right now So that leak at least chronologically makes sense
Starting point is 01:05:37 And then for months there was rumors That the trailer would come out with Avatar Right So this to me This thing on actually A big Willernette big spidey guy Demanded it
Starting point is 01:05:49 I'm just saying it's a little odd to me That a lot of these things They seem to have gotten a handle on and then suddenly they don't have a handle on it? I'm very suspicious that this is all some giant accident. Yeah, it's hard because I don't think Sony would ever be like, here's an unfinished visual effects trailer, but then that's plausible deniability.
Starting point is 01:06:13 But that worked for them. And that's crazy because, like, you're right. I vaguely do remember that with No Way Home. But at the same time, I was, I released the No Way Home trailer with Tom, and they wouldn't even let me see that trailer without security guards. Like, when I did that big event with Tom Holland at the theater, they played me the trailer in a private room that had security outside it and inside watching it. And they let me watch it twice so I could like host Tom.
Starting point is 01:06:36 That was how they treated that trailer. That was the final trailer. I'm saying that I think, no, I think back then. Yeah. I think when that No Way Home trailer leaked, I think they were a fucking furious. Right. But you're saying like they saw their effects. Now they're like, yeah, I think.
Starting point is 01:06:48 But now that relied on like the Andrew Garfield blue screen. We should disable the super chats, John. i i capy tan um they they uh thank you guys whoever got the last super check congratulations but yeah the uh i think i'm just beating a dead horse here me like come on i hear you i'm not disagreeing yes is it a conspiracy theory absolutely sometimes they're true but you know what it just seems a little lot they've had a sony's had a lot of fucking movies they've had a lot of movies after no way home that are in their weird stupid spider man universe and a couple of them good like the spider like the actual um it is always morbin time for john yeah the morbid time
Starting point is 01:07:30 yes john what i get you for christmas last year got me morbi as like figure i got him a statue statue i got him shot a morbid statue because for john it's always morbin it's always morbin we respect the name morbin this house we do we respect this bump yeah i mean like if there was any giant reveal in it that was like a game changer compared to what we already know we would already all know. You know what I mean? I'm glad the trailer didn't give anything away other than hyping up what we already knew.
Starting point is 01:08:00 It's just a little bit of additional information on things we already know. And seeing it, which is exciting. If it's good to see, but it's crazy to me that I think my big thing is you can never see something for the first time first. You can never experience confirmation for the first time first.
Starting point is 01:08:14 I agree. And I think with both Steve Rogers and even Punisher, I don't ever want to see those characters interact in a blurry handy cam signs video. You know what I mean? I want to experience it properly. So it's crazy that either Marvel or Sony would ever be like, this is the way we want to, even if it is causing word of mouth, I hope if this is the conspiracy that you have, that in the future directors are like, hey, that's not going to happen without my movie. Like I get your marketing. I'm going to put it in my contract. You can't leak my trailer. Because I wouldn't, I'm so glad I haven't seen Hulk interacting with Spider-Man in some handicam footage. I want to like experience. experience it because that's like my childhood coming to life so it's crazy they'd leak it if they did
Starting point is 01:08:59 but i hear it sometimes studios do that i mean it's different sides there they're sometimes they they used to try to do a tongue-in-cheek version we were asked to have one time for um for i can't i figured what it was um i think it was the suicide squad where they had sent a trailer early to like this almost when i say almost never happens i mean this is happened on one hand when they sent a trailer to us early and they sent it to us early and they were like yeah we wanted to kind of feel like it may be leaked that i remember that that was part of the talk wow i don't know if i just broke some fucking important or so shit from like five years ago i don't remember what movie it was but uh yeah uh but yeah that i remember them saying i'm
Starting point is 01:09:45 like that's fucking odd wow um but then they weren't copywriting and stuff and then they're like oh they're not copyright whereas they're definitely copyright they're copywriting now so that's lean suspicion. I'm like, but that would be the smart fucking thing to make it look real, huh? And then there's also
Starting point is 01:10:00 the AI element. Like I, I heard that the Steve Rogers footage was AI. And then people went to the theater like, I saw it in the theater is real. So like,
Starting point is 01:10:09 I think it's interesting we're living in an age that we won't have the certainty of knowledge until we see it for ourselves. It's a weird world we live in where real shit it looks AI when it's not.
Starting point is 01:10:22 Yeah, you've asked me a few times about like, hey, is this, like, can you tell if this is AI? I don't know if this is AI. And, like, usually I can because of lighting stuff, there are times, like, I'm actually not sure anymore. We almost watched a trailer here last week, because I thought it was real. You were so
Starting point is 01:10:35 excited for a reptile. Greg was so excited. Greg felt for a full AI trailer to set a patch. It just seems like something Jason State then would just Google. Look that up on YouTube, people, because the thumbnail alone is magnanimous. But, like, we're living in an age where that's, and what's good
Starting point is 01:10:53 about it to me is that trailers now we can have that suspension of disbelief and I think that's actually a positive like I was saying with Spider-Man I was glad they seemed to be leaking fake villains I was glad when the Rousseau's did that Hulk scene in the trailer for Infinity War I like when there's misleads the only
Starting point is 01:11:09 benefit I can see in AI is that there is that possibility of mislead now but what's interesting is I mean that's there's 99.9% negatives with generative AI especially when it comes to not knowing what to believe see the next election but with trailers, I think it gives
Starting point is 01:11:25 us an opportunity to be like, well, that might not be true. I want to go see it for myself. So I'm hoping, I don't know if that's the case with Spider-Man. I've heard it's not the case with Steve Rogers, but I'm hoping there are things like your Doom experience where it's not downy in a green suit, like blah, blah, blah, blah. Maybe we'll get more chances to actually experience stuff
Starting point is 01:11:40 for ourselves because there's so much fake shit. Yeah. Oh, well. I'm still excited for Spider-Man. I'm so excited for Spider-Man. All right. Well, that's that. Let's continue these off. We have a hard-out well I do at 12 regardless I am leaving he's out the door all right
Starting point is 01:11:57 so let's give quality efficiency and thank you guys this is quite a quantity we've had today certainly the mornings are the time to do it and also the topic could also be the topic the real topic could be a big thing didn't do trailers that people are mad at us for sure are doing the topics
Starting point is 01:12:14 well I mean too this could be just a big old experiment and a way of like kind of I don't know casting a wide net for people who like I don't know, there are people who want leaks, and there are people who are adamantly against them, and maybe we can play to everyone. I don't know. But you know who might know is Mike the Falcon.
Starting point is 01:12:33 Oh. And we did that. We already got that. No, we left off on the guy asking about Wolverine. Okay. There is. Cool, cool, cool. This one?
Starting point is 01:12:42 Sundar Singh. Yeah. Thank you, Greg, for keeping track and doing my job for me. Sundersing! Thank you, guys. I've been watching. Thank you, by the way,
Starting point is 01:12:50 for over five years. What do you guys think of the new Wolverine trademark that was recently filed? I 100% think there's another Wolverine movie coming after that interview that he did with Cynthia Riva. Did you see it? No. There's this clip going around of the actors on actors where he was expressing how he completely did change his mind on Wolverine. He didn't want to just come back for a one-off. He said, like, I don't feel like it's done.
Starting point is 01:13:18 I don't think it's done. That means he's bad. he said he felt like after he just changed his mind and he was saying that with logan he said in order to get things done he felt like he had to treat it like it was the final thing like things that he wanted to happen that he had to fight for yeah had to be treated like it was the final thing in order to get it done which i understand based off of that story the r rated elements of that film yeah because that was the first true r rated movie not including the the wolverine extended cut or whatever that that wasn't even that hard art. So, yeah, like, I believe that. And people do change their minds. And he seems like genuinely reinvigorated by it. And we know he's wanted to be part of the MCU for a long ass time. I want that for him if you want to. And then this merger happens just when he's you know, like it's got. Let Wolverine play. He wants to be the part that does kind of, like, I love Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Like, of course I do. I'm excited. I can't lie. I'm like, yeah, I lie. But same time,
Starting point is 01:14:19 this trademark does seem like we're probably get another solo Wolverine movie I just don't think he would be part of the new X-Men and that means we want to get a new Wolverine for a very long time I still think we shouldn't get a new Wolverine for a long time I think that the X-Men but the longer he's Wolverine the longer we start
Starting point is 01:14:35 that journey don't get Wolverine as part of the X-Men Now that he's already come back it's going to be a 10-year thing until someone sees anyone as Wolverine like already so like maybe let him play him again that goal post just keeps going to keep further and further and it's going to get harder and harder and harder for him to keep it up.
Starting point is 01:14:50 I don't envy his routine. We were talking about someone losing crazy amount of weight in seven months. That dude's 50 something to be in that shape at that age is insane.
Starting point is 01:14:58 After a while he'll probably have to stop doing like shirtless. Oh, I can't imagine. It's just his skin. I could see him maintaining me and we'll bring him well into us.
Starting point is 01:15:07 I could see him Tom Cruise and certain actor Liam Neeson have proven you can do action movies and be the guy doing the action well into like your 60s. I think he can maintain that.
Starting point is 01:15:17 I just don't feel like he can do shirtless scenes after a certain point. It's not healthy for him. Since the body is associated so much, the physique of that is associated so much with the character. Whereas like Tom Cruise doesn't need to get
Starting point is 01:15:28 naked admission impossible, but he still does. Got a leather jacket. Yeah, exactly. You don't need to keep taking out of your shirt, man. But go nuts, Tom. Go nuts. If you want to. If you feel happy, go ahead.
Starting point is 01:15:36 Dude, that digger trailer is so funny to me. That's an interesting experience. I am fascinated by what Tom's doing next. All right, moving on. Let's go, O'Green World Needle Drop. All right. Sorry, I'll always ride for gorillas. Love Star. Thank you for chiming in.
Starting point is 01:15:51 Moron Joxi, my favorite duo. Thank you very much. Roxy and I'll be back, I'm sure. Don't worry. We get together. It's the combined duo name for when Roxy and I are together. We're also drippy moist. We have a lot of, you know...
Starting point is 01:16:07 We have fun around here, gang. But Roxy and I'll pop back up in something soon, I'm sure. That's what I think Trump taught us. Nicknames. Yeah. And get people to like you or dislike you. I'm hoping they with the nickname. Drippy moist.
Starting point is 01:16:20 Absolutely. I don't think there's anything on the schedule for you guys yet. No, but some vampire thing will pop up someday, I'm sure. Yeah, and then we'll do it. It's nice, because, yeah, I get to do something with, like,
Starting point is 01:16:30 Tara and Roxy every once in a while. It's very nice. My dream is to find a Boston movie neither of us have seen. I don't know what it'll ever happen. We're pretty thorough, but that'd be cool. All right, all right. Well, get on that.
Starting point is 01:16:41 Suggest some Boston movies in the chat, people. Hannah Daniels, thank you for chiming in. Why is Marvel theater baiting us? Imagine. Steve Rogers revealed then killed in the opening, no leaks. Doom, unseen, but deadly, instant stinks.
Starting point is 01:16:56 I fucking hate that. I'd be so mad. Bring him back to kill him. That's like fucking Terminator Dark Fate, man. Fridge him like it's the 1980s. I even started watching Terminator Dark Fate like two weeks ago again because we watched Terminator 2, so I just want to like continue on.
Starting point is 01:17:13 And even rewatching that opening where they kill off John Connor, I'm like, this fucking movie. right away. This just puts a bad taste. Like they should have killed them all. They should have had these. I'm like,
Starting point is 01:17:25 you still could have had that scene. Later. But put it later. Yeah. Like put it later. It's a time travel movie. Kick your movie off with this and put a bad taste in the audience's mouth. And I think that would have done exactly.
Starting point is 01:17:36 Dark fate came on a very edgy time. That felt like such an edgy choice to open a film with. I would struggle with that Steve Rogers choice because it would undermine all the things I'd ranted about earlier and also be upset. Yeah. Like killing off John. car in the first five minutes. Nah, man, I co-signed this. I want R.D.J. kills the
Starting point is 01:17:55 the Marvel universe. That's what I want this movie to be. What I will meet you at is I feel like they should have done their absolute best, not Drew ael, he's in it. I agree. This is one of those movies where you don't really need to know the plot. Right. And I would have preferred to have some surprises since they gave us 30 chairs. Yeah. Well, and that would have been super boss.
Starting point is 01:18:12 Like the one way, instead of advertising with all your legacy characters who you're bringing out of like what used to be. pretty staunch retirements now it could have been thick to be surprised with them at least also it would be cool to have Steve Rogers at the premiere like Chris Evans there to support his friends
Starting point is 01:18:28 and then you find out he's there because he's actually in the movie stuff like that would have been exciting that would have been cool he gets like fat after yeah pulls a lovely bones there's no way he would have
Starting point is 01:18:37 no there's no way look at Chris Evans there's a dad now it's just so good dad it's fat cap people love fat Thor now we got fat cap let's move on please
Starting point is 01:18:44 I'm gonna be the guy who's gonna keep saying that today Jose don't worry about it Thank you for chiming in. Thank you, Greg and Tara, for the Percy Jackson reactions that rhymed, loving them a lot as an avid fan of the books. It only gets better from here, books three through five are peak. I appreciate everyone who gave us a chance with that, because we were, I hate when people say we fucking chill. I'm like, I know we went into this and fucking this fan base is hardcore, and we are not liking this show.
Starting point is 01:19:12 And we are being very honest about it. Like, it would be so easy to lie. But then when it got to the latter part of the season, it got so much better. And now it's so good. Like, season two is so much better. And a lot of people are like, it was already great. And I'm like, I'm glad you feel that way. And I think it's now great.
Starting point is 01:19:30 But it just took a while for my feelings to get there. So thank you to those who stuck on board with us and allowed us to encourage us to still be honest in spite of, you know, the way a fan base can feel. So thank you. Absolutely. And Sebastian's back. Bastion units. Regardless, if the leaks were, quote, planned or not, I believe this is the hype they've needed.
Starting point is 01:19:54 I have non-Marvel fans sending me AI videos and theories. Exactly. This is my fucking point. See? They're weaponizing it. Of course they're weaponizing it. I'm not disagreeing. I just, it's unfortunate.
Starting point is 01:20:08 How many, there was nothing of their other movies got leaked. Maybe they did, but I don't really feel like. they did. I can't really recall anything. Like, Spider-Verse, across Spider-Verse totally had shit where they could have gone on leaked. And it probably goes to the exact same parameters of trailer approval and all these machinations. There's so many of the effects that go in that fucking movie. Oh, no, I just don't buy it. I really don't buy it. I think it is helping them in a way. I just, I'm thinking about the user experience.
Starting point is 01:20:39 We don't like it. Right. User experience negative. Yes. And I know a lot of people actually don't care. I know. that's the thing is most people like spoilers for some reason the culture has shifted where they like this right now and i was a john and i were massive participants i'm gonna lump you in the show john i were uh massive participants in the no way home um you know spoilers and all that we were and as much as i love that film there was a part of me that was in the back of my brain that i didn't want to admit to myself with just i kind of wish i didn't know everything that happened in this movie and i actually went in knowing very little i did press on that film and still wasn't sure if Andrew and Toby were going to show up and like that was amazing. Yeah. Finding
Starting point is 01:21:20 your Christmas presence is exciting in the moment and sucks at Christmas. Exactly. And now that's because we don't get Christmas anymore. We literally lost Christmas because this is how we do things now. It's just they it's the evolution and we just got to get on board. It's like
Starting point is 01:21:36 we can be the old people yelling or we just got to do our thing and fucking hide from it as best as we can't even though it's really hard to succeed. Dude, I am So, I mean, I don't know if you feel the same way, but I'm really excited. Like, I'm trying to save up as much as I can and do this for the next, like, 10 years and then go back to enjoying movies. Like, I'm so excited to, like, not be plugged into the zeit guys, not know everything that's coming out. Like, the act of watching a movie again is going to feel like I'm reborn.
Starting point is 01:22:01 Like rebellion. Well, you see, because we do, like, so much first time watches here, avoiding trailers has been. And so sometimes when I'm, especially if I'm coming around, it's like a season of television. Yeah. I'm like, oh, my God, this person's in it? Yeah. And then when I'm looking for a thumbnail, I'll go to the trailer. And then you'll see that everyone's known for six.
Starting point is 01:22:20 It was revealed. Yeah. So then I could use the image of the thumbnail. I mean, obviously, it's been revealed. Because it's already been revealed. Now we can put Chris Evans in our review thumbnails. Chris Evans can be right there. I love having the experience of not.
Starting point is 01:22:32 But that's the problem. We don't get that. I don't know. It's going to be fun to tag out. All right. What's next on her? All right. Hannah Daniels, thank you for chiming in.
Starting point is 01:22:40 Worried they'll link doom to Iron Man for R.D. That seems like the inevitability, right? Now the catchback. That is inevitable. The way that, I mean, Steve Rogers doesn't come back for Doom. If it's a sequel to Doomsday, I mean, Doomsday, if it's a sequel to Endgame, then, yeah, it has to, it has to in some way. It's something with the snap, I think, of what Tony did, and then Cap messing with the timeline, because they established a lot, as much as they're treating it like that, the TVA, we mustn't forget that it wasn't like end game. I hate the rhetoric.
Starting point is 01:23:16 As much as the Marvel talk has gone down, even in my playbook, I hate the rhetoric that after end game, it just sucked. Right. It's just, that's big bullshit. It's insane. People forget that Wanda Vision was fucking hype, you know? I can't recall. That was the first Marvel thing they had. It was their first show.
Starting point is 01:23:37 Yeah. And it was huge. Every week. Every week speculating, speculating, speculating. It just kept going. And maybe that finale didn't deliver. on that big speculation thing that we were all kind of open for
Starting point is 01:23:47 which maybe contributed to a part of the culture we have regardless that was a great show it was an amazing show and Falcon and Winter Soldier is a pretty good that's a I think it's a really good show it wasn't like the hype level of that because it got sandwich between something else was amazing
Starting point is 01:24:04 fucking Loki Loki. Loki season one was incredible with a cliffhanger that was bombed No Way Home. Then No Way Home comes out. These Fools. Like, Shang Chi is a really good move.
Starting point is 01:24:17 Like, it depends on the caliber. I'm saying the ones that are indisputable events. Like, unobjected. No way home, Wanda vision, indisputable events. Wanda Vision, Loki, no way home. Yeah. Indisputable. That was after endgame.
Starting point is 01:24:32 Yeah. And so with that, a lot of rules were established of things that could happen. And then multiverse of madness came out. Which was also a big event, whether it was good or not. It was a big event. Yes, exactly. So, that's about for debate. But the point is
Starting point is 01:24:47 is that, yeah, like after what Dr. After Robert Daniel Jr. Snap, after messing with time travel, after Cap going back, they've established that there could be repercussions for what's going on. And Loki's season two was huge. I think there's a lot. And Loki's coming back. Right. So, and they're positioning Thor as one of the main characters again.
Starting point is 01:25:07 And I think Loki's going to be a big power character. I don't how much screen time they'll end up giving him. But like, we don't have a beyonder yet, we, we could, we could see him do something that's like a big power level character. Yeah. So I think that's going to be important. And I think those, those strings are going to come together. Yeah, so to your question, uh, yeah, 100% they're going to look to tire man. I think it's got to be. What if Howard Stark was, was, uh, Von Doom, Howard Von Doom. Howard Von Doom. Yeah. Industrialist turned fascist. They're going to go to Ellis Island and see like the original, you know, name before it got changed.
Starting point is 01:25:42 How did he turn Von Dumond to Stark? That's a leap. Some guy didn't really want to do his job that day. Anyway, Eddie Rios is next. Thank you for chiming in, Eddie. We love you. Wishing you all a very happy holidays. Same to you.
Starting point is 01:25:57 Loving the new setup. Do you guys think Secret Wars will be more 1985 or 2015 leading? With Rousseau. I wish it was 85. I prefer 85. But 2015. That's part of the weird talk
Starting point is 01:26:09 when Rousseers were like, I got in the comics when I, I picked it up secret wars. And I'm like, but you're clearly probably doing the 2015 one. Which feels nothing like the original Silver Wars.
Starting point is 01:26:19 It's really odd. It's really odd. They're like, we'll only come back if we do Secret Wars. The one that's playing right now. Like they were talking about it as if they would come back for the Secret Wars and they're like,
Starting point is 01:26:30 we'll do the one that's currently in your comic store. Could be wrong, but everything we're hearing seems way more the 2015 one than the 85 one. 100%. I hope we still get some images from the 85 one though. Like I think we could still get like Hulk holding up that mountain
Starting point is 01:26:44 We could still get like you know some of the moments from it And I think we'll still maybe get the symbiates suit Like things from Secret Wars I think will reflect But I think 2015's themes and tone is gonna be the thing Brand new day has to pay off the symbiote suit I think have to I think the symbiate suit comes in secret oars and pays off the sequel to brand new day You think so it's we finally have a suit
Starting point is 01:27:03 We have a Spider-Man movie coming out the same year as a movie called Secret Oars And we've not had the black suit It's fate I don't feel like the Granted, I think Brand New Day ends with him going off.
Starting point is 01:27:14 We know where the symbiote who originated from. Yes. Comic-wise. But in the movie, in the movie medium, I don't feel like we need to reserve it for Secret Wars.
Starting point is 01:27:25 Spider-Man comes out five months before Secret Wars. Okay. I think the end post-credit scene of Spider-Man Brand-New Day is him on Battleworld touching what's going to turn to the suit. Oh, you're saying,
Starting point is 01:27:35 okay, I thought you were, so it still ultimately is introduced in Brand New Day. In Secret Wars. Yeah, the concept. introduced but then we see the black suit that makes I could get on board with that because what are the chances everything lined up over the last
Starting point is 01:27:46 40 years that we get a Spider-Man movie the same year of Secret Wars and not use that no that's fair that's what I think happens I could I could see that happened because brand new day's post-credit scene has to set up I mean they have to like fucking I'll never forget those fucking venom movies yeah like it's time now you know so I think I think Dumes day is the post-credit scene
Starting point is 01:28:05 of brand new day and I think Dumes day allows battle world and then that ties into secret wars got it because it's a year after Dune's day That's what I think we get. Cool shit. Cool shit. Thank you, Eddie. Moving on to Jamco or Yamco.
Starting point is 01:28:19 Watched Avatar 3, and thank you for chiming in. The Steve Rogers reveal is nothing. A second of shield, caps vest, and a black screen saying Steve Rogers will return in Doomsday. Showed pretty sure no actual movie clip. It is something. I appreciate the super channel. And I understand what you're saying is that it's so short and not much really happens in it. the thing is the confirmation that a person is there.
Starting point is 01:28:43 It is equivalent in some ways. It's like it's not as crazy as Andrew Garfield and Toby McGuire showing up in the Spider-Man movie. It is likened to that, though. It's like once you confirm it, it spoils the fun. Yeah, we know it's happening now. Yeah. So like it does, he could have been one frame.
Starting point is 01:29:01 It would have given everything. Because the dude was denying it. Yeah. Even though we were like, we know. Just like Andrew Carfield and Joe McGuire, like, we know. but that's the fun is like going in a theory like going and now we don't
Starting point is 01:29:15 a year out yeah yeah now everything Chris promotes the next year is cap I know and he's been working his ass off to try to get out of that yeah every role he does like the farthest from cap I can find and the sad part is that what was that interview question he had remember the he was like promoting some film and he was playing some actor
Starting point is 01:29:36 I was not a character and they were talking about like being a hasman or something like that the interviewer like directly asked him that awful the worst fucking question you could ask a guy in a crowd when you're playing someone that like you know used to be important like you know you're doing yeah that was whatever that was that was awful yeah terrible question and and now he's gonna be fucking living this for the next year and he would have when hearing that known that he was playing cat yeah this is how i was like yeah i'm playing captain america i'm playing steve rogers again playing a failed movie star because it was hitting close to home which i don't agree with. I mean, like, Knives
Starting point is 01:30:09 out helped rebound Ryan Johnson, it allowed Daniel Craig to expand, but people love the shit at Chris Evans in that movie, too. He changed sweaters. He's one of the faces of that film. 100%. So, yeah, let's, we can move on. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:30:26 Yomco. All right. Oh, back again. Thank you for being so generous. Morgan Stark will be 13 or 14 years old by the time Secret Wars happens. Almost time for her to become the new Iron Man. She'd have Tony's smarts and resources. R.D.J. as her Jarvis.
Starting point is 01:30:43 It depends how loyal we're playing towards timeline. Yeah, I don't know if it's going to take place a year after, if it's going to be chronological. Yeah. Also, poor Ironheart. You also need to establish the age. You could just recast and then let people, like, figure it out. How many people has Cassie Lang been played by?
Starting point is 01:30:58 Yeah. Not enough. They had that deleted scene, right, where Morgan Stark interacts. Yeah, that whole scene. older Morgan interacts with Tony. So now the Russo brothers have an opportunity to pay that off in some way. Totally.
Starting point is 01:31:12 Maybe she's the one who could change Doom's heart. Like Franklin changes his face. Oh, yeah. Franklin's got to be the heart. And that's why I'm worried about Morgan Stark even being in it. We'll see. But she will be.
Starting point is 01:31:26 She will be because it's a Tony Stark movie. She has to be in it. Do you think when the Paltrow will return? Probably. I don't think she'll know. She'll probably be in it. But she won't know what's happening. She won't know that she's
Starting point is 01:31:36 She'll tell you she's not in And we'll believe her Because she believes her That's my favorite part Is how candid Like the actors Who haven't been part Of Marvel for a long time
Starting point is 01:31:43 Talk about their Apparently she has memory issues I can't believe that Like she After like a pregnancy Like she can't remember She can't like form new memories Does that explain all women and moms
Starting point is 01:31:53 Every single one of them Women can't remember After having babies That makes so much more sense But she like doesn't remember Knowing Tom Holland It's the brain It's the brain
Starting point is 01:32:03 It's the brain cooked Because every time they have a baby They get a piece of their brain. That's where babies come from. Just getting a little piece. It's basic science, guys. Guys, after 10 kids, your brain dead.
Starting point is 01:32:18 No, that's terrible. Yeah, so I thought it was funny until I found it. It was like a medical thing. I was like, oh, that's awful. But, you know, I hear like Kelsey Grammer, Alan coming talking, be like, yeah, I shot some lines. I don't know who I'm talking to, but, you know. Kelsey Graham was like, I can't wait to team up with any just, like, talk about a
Starting point is 01:32:33 seed. I was like, bro. Yeah, you guys need to learn the game here. new to Marvel. You need to learn the game. What else you got? They haven't sent the snipes to your house. Caitlin, thank you for chiming in Caitlin.
Starting point is 01:32:44 Bringing back Steve undermines the authority that was passed to Sam. Though his arc was done poorly, never felt like he got a true chance to be kept. Yeah, so we kicked off this specific episode. I don't know if he kicked it off. We talked about it pretty early on. That being one of the major concerns
Starting point is 01:33:00 that I'm sure half the world doesn't give a shit about. But even Thunderbolts was like, you know, he's suing us for the name of Avengers like the Thunderbolts our most recent movie or one of the most recent movies ended with Sam Wilson
Starting point is 01:33:14 suing the Thunderbolts for the name Avengers because he's Captain America cut too. Yeah. There's gonna be a lot. Okay, wait, so there'd be, there'd be Bucky. There'd be Red Guardian.
Starting point is 01:33:26 I'm excited for Steve Rogers and Red Guardian to interact. That part is really excited to me because of how much Red Guardian's obsessed with him. Warships. Yeah. And, Walker.
Starting point is 01:33:37 Yeah. There's a lot of proto caps. There's something kind of fun about watching all of them interact. Yeah. And weirdly the one who doesn't
Starting point is 01:33:45 is Anthony Beck. He's not a super soldier. Yeah, the one that hasn't taken the serum, the only one. The only one. But yeah, though, the ones you have part of that program in some way.
Starting point is 01:33:54 And you know there's going to be a moment in Secret Wars where the captains America. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Like the A-Force moment, but all caps. And then they'll grab Sam and they'll just dump
Starting point is 01:34:03 like a big bottle, a big, like, Gatorade. jug of super soldier serum on his back and then he'll... What of us! What of us! But thank you guys for chiming in.
Starting point is 01:34:13 Commander Stolzer, Padre N7 is next. Thank you for chiming in. In honor of Rob Reiner, and you guys react to all in the family, especially with John. Thanks. That's a massive commitment. We appreciate the contribution
Starting point is 01:34:27 and we appreciate the inquiry. Not 100% sure we want to cover nine seasons of an old television show, but appreciate you. 171 I've actually never seen a single episode of all in the family
Starting point is 01:34:40 No this is not the movie Never mind I guess 1971 ran for nine years That's incredible No I think he's talking about The Hong Kong comedy from 1975 Robbrenner Hong Kong comedy
Starting point is 01:34:51 Big old fan Yeah I guess it would be the show Yeah There's no way It would be the classic American sitcom all in the family I just did
Starting point is 01:35:01 Certainly not The 2022 movie That you were looking up Or the 1975 Hong Kong comic i thought there was a movie version of all in the family and i thought it tied into christmas story but it was like that family but not at christmas but i could be thinking of a different movie never seen christmas story hey christmas whoa that's an opportunity missed i avoid that movie it's on every five minutes every christ christmas that's a that's a reaction gold mine way yeah that's like actually flabbergasting that'd be our biggest video of the year that is the most watched christmas all right well cancel christmas again gregg christmas yeah you've canceled four
Starting point is 01:35:35 time to cancel fifth. Guys, I've got 18 more minutes. All right, let's answer some questions about a Christmas story. All right, all right. Randy Francois. I'm here to keep you yellow personalities on track today. That's communication style, not the agent. They're not even Asian.
Starting point is 01:35:48 You can't take offense with that. Ron. Yeah. Randy Francois, thank you for timing it in. Roz Al Gregg, unite the Real 7 for an assemble reaction. More box office views than a DC Marvel crossover and have a jabby cameo. Sinapal's invasion. It would be fun to one day do a giant, like a Normie's video, like all of us there.
Starting point is 01:36:11 Just a bunch of couches. Yeah, that would be pretty fun. That would be fun. Like, like a, like, a, like, something that's big enough on streaming, like, the day. Yeah. Or totally obscure. Yeah. And then they watch for us watching. Which a really test. Dude, tiptoes. If people care about us enough to watch it or really solely just relies. We should do tiptoes. All seven. Have you seen tiptoes? No. That sounds like the perfect movie, though.
Starting point is 01:36:32 It's Matthew McConaughey. Gary Oldman. Gary Oldman is a little person And he plays the whole movie on his knees And the movie is about McConaughey Marrying Cape Beckinsale And worrying their kid might be a little person Because McConaughey's the only tall person In a family of little people
Starting point is 01:36:48 It's the most problematic thing ever We should watch it with seven of us Say no more Tipto's amazing Or hear me out There's this great 1975 Hong Kong comedy All in the Family All in the Family
Starting point is 01:36:58 All right Seems the art from the TV show Thank you for chiving in C. Black. Cap didn't have the shield when he went back in time, but Old Cap did. I think he got the shield from Sam in Doomsday.
Starting point is 01:37:15 Does Sam die? That would be justice for him. Old Cap already live in Doomsday? 50% of the cast don't make it to Secret Wars. Wait, hold on a second. Let's slow the roll here. Cap didn't have the shield when he went back in time. No.
Starting point is 01:37:31 He gave it the same. Yeah, because Old Cap did. I think he got the shield from Sam and Doomsday. Oh, because time travel does. Does Sam die? That would. Can you imagine? Semi hilarious.
Starting point is 01:37:50 If they give him the shield, he's kept for one movie. Disrespected. Didn't work out, buddy. Killed. I mean, Anthony Mackey would have pressed for the rest of his life. He could just talk about. Oh, man. That's crazy work.
Starting point is 01:38:03 Like a Henry Cavill situation. Yeah. I don't think they kill Anthony Mackey. I don't think they would do that. That would just cause a storm. As much as bringing back Steve Rogers is satisfying all the crowd that's like, no, Captain America. Not my cap.
Starting point is 01:38:17 No. This would really infuriate the other side. That would be very, yeah, that's not a winning situation. What if Steve Rogers comes back in its Hydra Cap? That would be cool. Everyone's so excited for Captain America and he's like a full on Nazi working with Doom because that's his buddy Iron Man. God, if they did that, that would be sweet.
Starting point is 01:38:35 Can you imagine? If that is... If everyone comes back as a bad guy? Yeah. Like a Star Trek mustache episode? That would be cool. All the people that died come back as evil virgins themselves. It'd be cool.
Starting point is 01:38:46 It's like that Mortal Kombat game. If we're playing... Player 2. They surprised us with Hydra Cap. That would legitimately be sick. 20 minutes in, he leans into Doomsier and says hail Hydro. Yeah. That would be so sick.
Starting point is 01:38:58 That would be pretty sweet. Because you never know what timeline we're on. Now I'm excited that Steve Rogers is. coming back because he's Hydro Cap in my head until I see the movie. I just hope in three weeks they reveal that. They put out some chairs. It says Hydro Cap on it. Now we know. Oh, well Randy Francois next. Thank you for chiming back in. Dread over here. I am the law. No more smoking or you will be judged. Does it help the old channel to leave a like and comment on old videos? Happy holiday. It helps on any video. Really appreciate your contribution asking that
Starting point is 01:39:30 and always do it. And speaking of which, if you're here watching, this right now please leave a like like it up if you're watching on playback please leave a like leaving a like does help out thank you hell yeah all right thank you randy jumping on into 258 ronin too or just 58 ronan hey boys thank you for chiming in first time super chat long time listener i've been watching for years since before gregg had his greek body l-o-l sweet that's what i call it too my youtube you're in the odyssey uh my youtube recap Cab says I've watched 612 videos this year. Yeah, that's insane.
Starting point is 01:40:09 In a good way, in the membrane. Y'all make my anxiety and panic attacks go away. Thank you, love. Oh, we might increase it because we hate people who watch that many videos of ours. 62. We do not like that at all. So, no refunds. Was it 612?
Starting point is 01:40:30 Wow. I appreciate that, man. That's really fucking sweet. to you. It's two a day. Almost. That's crazy. Doing the work. Thank you so much, Ronan. I hope you watched them all in our entirety. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:42 Comment on every old video comprehensive. I really appreciate that, man. That's crazy. That is nuts. I swear to God, if you see us in person, any one of us and you don't say hi, we'll be insulted. You better say hi to us. I'm serious. Fucking dead serious about that, man.
Starting point is 01:40:57 Deceased. You know more Muppie than I do. Dude, well, you better catch up. Diego Gourvara, thank you for chiming in. He would have. He's probably seen it before. He knew how the character arc goes.
Starting point is 01:41:10 I was assuming a war profiteer might be a bad person until they're no longer a war profiteer. It's almost like it had to go on that arc in the movie. It's okay. We all have that experience someday or another.
Starting point is 01:41:21 Diego Gourvera, thank you for chiming in. Diego says, hi. Nothing to say, really. Just stoked to hear you. Hey, Diego. Been a while since we've seen your name. Good to see you, buddy. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:41:32 Thank you. Stoked to hear y'all understanding Schindler's list. Arc, it is very clearly divided. No right or wrong, in my opinion. And that's just an assessment of life, you know. It is very clearly divided. Yep. I agree with you.
Starting point is 01:41:47 Life is not my algorithm. Very one side. Everything's very much like what I reflects the way I think and feel and what I appeal to. Echo chambers are healthy. It's not one side. You want things to reflect only your view. Yeah. That's the way to live.
Starting point is 01:42:01 When I go to John's algorithm, it's a lot of, like, red text, white tech stuff. You know what I mean? Like angry faces. A lot of crying women in thumbnails. I like a lot of bust faces. Yeah. Black backgrounds. People sprinting with stoic quotes.
Starting point is 01:42:15 Yeah. It's really weird. Hustle culture, John. Marcus Aurelius, you know. I tried listening to Marcus Aurelius while working out the other day. It was like a month ago. And it was one of my most embarrassing moments, like, where I was like, what am I, who am I trying to be? What is this?
Starting point is 01:42:31 Too much. Too much. There's a line. I found it. Stoicoy. Thank you, Arc. It's very clearly to... I guess this must be about the response to the trailers and stuff. That is what you are B.R. B, 2, 3, moment of silence. BZB, thank you. Oh, BZB. I don't know why I can't I see that. It's okay. It's probably small on your screen. Thank you, BZB, 0123, C, Black.
Starting point is 01:42:54 Up next, thanks for chiming in. Steve was selfish going back to Peggy. Tony warned him if you mess with time. tends to mess back he knew the consequences laid out by the ancient one screw steve rogers it would be a cool like starting point though that's that's the appeal to me about steve rogers coming back is the consequences of what he did yeah think he wanted like the tragedy of what that would be that that there's an emotional hook in the plot that i think would make it appealing especially with re-releasing end game and calling it a sequel to end game like having his decision at the end game yeah launched this
Starting point is 01:43:29 So, you know, don't me around. There's, like, totally pros that I could see of how they can make it work. Sure. I'm looking forward to seeing them. I hope that's the case. Heck, yeah, me too. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:41 Let's move on. Thank you, C. Black. We got Yomco back. Thanks for chiming back in, being so generous today. Think Sony would allow a Spider-Pool film in the future. Deadpool 3 made over a billion. Sony would be smart to allow Tom and Ryan to have a buddy road trip film.
Starting point is 01:43:58 It's a sell. I don't think I don't think any film is an issue for Sony I think that it's just a rights issue and a Kevin Faggy being like I don't know about that man
Starting point is 01:44:09 But I think Ryan Reynolds would absolutely be down I think Ryan and Andrew would be a lot more logical Like their vibe is so much more Like they're also friends in real life I just feel like If you're gonna do a spidey pool
Starting point is 01:44:20 It's not Tom And they made out once And they made out They're in the Golden Globes, whatever Yeah I can't wait for that To be exclusively on Tubey Yeah
Starting point is 01:44:27 Don't worry the awesome are coming to YouTube in two years. Yeah, all right. I already watch them on YouTube. Do you? I don't watch the Oscars. I only watch the Oscars. The clips.
Starting point is 01:44:38 Like, where's Conan's monologue? Yeah. They know what their market is. I think it's smart. It's just odd to read. YouTube's the number one most watch streaming platform, I think. Yeah. It's crazy.
Starting point is 01:44:49 We're big time, gang. Yeah. Speaking of big time, C. Black is back. Thanks for chiming in being so generous. I'm going to remind Cohen, Greg. They was doubt. the film after the first trailer
Starting point is 01:45:01 or when the movie comes out, why do you all give Gun the benefit of the doubt but not the man behind the most successful studio? You guys hate Kevin Feigy. What are you talking about? I was like not a fan of peacemakers. And I am very skeptical of the approach of Supergirl
Starting point is 01:45:21 in spite of also being very excited about it. And with this one, we have also weighed out our pros and cons of anticipation as well. James Gunn didn't cast Henry Cavill as Lex Luther and pretended that it wasn't a character people would associate with another character so that's why I think
Starting point is 01:45:37 it's a very different scenario altogether it has nothing to do with the filmmaker it's that's to do with the Doom casting I love the character of Dr. Doom yeah it's a very it's this is not an apple just because they're both comic book adaptations it doesn't mean that's the one-to-one comparison and I have said from the beginning
Starting point is 01:45:55 from the moment they cast Downey that I can't wait to be proven wrong but until I am I am very concerned they've undermined one of the best characters in comics for money I didn't necessarily dislike these makers I was just pretty disappointed I think it's I have too much I liked about it to full on say I didn't like it
Starting point is 01:46:15 yeah I think that it's not fair to compare also gun starting a universe to where Marvel is now in a positive or negative way because Marvel has had more hits than misses by a lot and you know the DC you just started so I don't know if that's fair at all, even where we are now. Separate of those things. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:46:32 Well, fight it out in the comments, people. Victor and Liu. Thanks for chiming in. The Inhumans movie failed. Hard. It alienated the comic fan so hard. I think it means Eternal. And please ask Coy where I can get that sweater.
Starting point is 01:46:49 The Inhumans movie didn't happen. There's a show, an Human show or Eternal's movie. I think he means Eternal's movie. I love the Eternal's movie. Also, Chloe Zhao's newest Hamnet blew me away. I don't think a human show did anything
Starting point is 01:47:00 They played that in the theaters It's so crazy That's just saying So that in IMAX So that is clear Man divide It's the movie
Starting point is 01:47:10 I got this sweater From a small business In Burbank They sell sweaters At Christmas In a little Christmas festival They do in the middle
Starting point is 01:47:20 of Burbank So I got I don't know if I can Help you there Because I try to buy From small businesses Especially this time of the year So it's an individual
Starting point is 01:47:27 will, if you live near Burbank, walk them streets. And then I did not see in humans, but I loved Eternals. So I don't know which one you're talking about, but I loved Eternals. Yep. Not there with coy on that, but I respect people's feelings on Eternals.
Starting point is 01:47:44 I respect your right to be wrong. And Kumail Nanjiani is still buff, and I'm happy about that. Held on to that. Held on to that because he likes working out, and I'm glad he discovered that through Eternals. That's true. His life is markedly about Yeah, that's just so funny, like he doesn't just do it to stay in shape for a character.
Starting point is 01:48:01 He likes, he likes working out. And he's huge. He's friends with guns, so he's at every, like, D.C. premiere. And I'm like, that is a giant man. He's a big dude. He is a buff man. Yeah, he's a tough man. He's a little jealous.
Starting point is 01:48:11 Hell yeah, Koumel. And he was funny in that Ghostbusters movie. Des, thanks for chiming in, Des. Hello, and happy Friday, my beautiful rejects. Hey. If you were only able to see one of the 2027 juggernauts between the Batman part two or beyond the spider verse what would be your ultimate choice love you all i gotta say i think there's so much spider-man content and not enough badman content that just came out of my map uh you know what i actually
Starting point is 01:48:44 i'm gonna go the opposite i the batman is my favorite franchise right now because of the batman and penguin but i think if beyond the spider verse sticks the landing it's the greatest trilogy in the history of movies yeah but if brad pitts in the batman part two then i will literally die that's the end of my career because I'm dead in that theater phantasm is there I'm like I got to see that I got to see that I don't need another multiverse spider-man movie
Starting point is 01:49:07 if I can only have one of these if Matt Reeves literally is like I'm gonna make the most David Fincher Batman ever and then for the second one's like I'm gonna give his DP and his Brad Pitt I'm gonna lose my mind this is just fight club with Batman if they put two of my favorite things
Starting point is 01:49:20 if Brad Pitt's in it it becomes the Batman too even really bad he's just a guy who Matt Pitt He's in Arkham Asylum Brad Pitt is Dr. Arkham and Robert Pattinson is roommate. Yeah, Brad Pitt's in it.
Starting point is 01:49:33 That changes everything. He's the fantasm. Standing on the top floor of Wayne Industries at the end of the movie as the city crumbles out the window. I'm all for this. In my life. Yes.
Starting point is 01:49:43 Oh, man. All righty. Thanks, Des. We got Alec Rodriguez next. Alec, thank you so much. What would be a good tagline for the Avengers Doomsday poster? Here's mine.
Starting point is 01:49:54 Doom is the victor Get it Because of victory That is pretty funny actually Who will be the You know they thought that when they wrote the character And they're like, hey, hit Victor Doom Damn
Starting point is 01:50:09 What would be the tagline Whoever wins we're doomed Spell the Avengers Doom My favorite taglines Are the most non-creative ones like I'll never forget the worst one I ever saw as for I think it was a David Goyer movie
Starting point is 01:50:29 I don't think I saw the movie it's called the unborn it's called the unborn and the tagline was he wants to be born yeah that's amazing he wants to be born if there's a teenager
Starting point is 01:50:45 I was like that's a bad tagline I mean it's unborn what does he want he wants to be born it's a perfect tagline so I wrote that and went that best part out. That about spells it out. How about New Mask, same timeline?
Starting point is 01:50:58 Yeah. Same tagline. Sorry, New Mask, same tagline. Yeah. That's the one. That's the one. Dooms Day. Avengers, Doom's Day. Doom is coming. They're doomed. You guys to say that. They're doomed. This December. We are all doomed. Avengers Dooms Day. Avengers are doomed.
Starting point is 01:51:15 For you is the most important day of your life. For me, it was a dooms day. Hell yeah. Avenge the Doomed You know, I know I didn't do a reaction to it And I'm really upset I didn't Because I have obsessively watched the Street Fighter trailer I love that trailer And I have a zita
Starting point is 01:51:34 And I know a lot of people I know a lot I don't know who that is He's mega Looks cool I love that trailer Have you seen it? Yeah, it was great
Starting point is 01:51:43 It's so millennial It's everything we wanted as kids What I want This is this street fighter movie I want When you're kids In imagining what a movie would be It's this trailer I hope it says like wild and weird and the cast is insane
Starting point is 01:51:57 I hope there's a story to keep up with and it's not annoying that's a one problem is like this could be a very there's no plot in the trailer at all yeah I'm like this could be the most annoying film or the coolest fucking film even if it's an 80s dumb plot I'm still excited but I hope there is a plot like it I get when people say like this looks like AI and this looks fan made I'm like yeah but it looks cool but a good fan that's kind of what I want a good fan made it Like, how else would it look? What's the real gritty version of streetfire?
Starting point is 01:52:27 Yeah, don't give us something that's plausible. It's the original film. They already have an Oscar winner playing the lead. I can't wait. Like, how would you make sense of all these weird personalities from different countries fighting each other? There's also like a beast guy. Like, Momoa's playing, what's his name?
Starting point is 01:52:45 Is it Blanca? Blanca. Yeah, that's not like a thing you can just write into a normal story. yeah no they're all like from different countries yeah anyway they're from the streets and they're fighting all right thank you alec rodriguez i gotta watch that street fighter trailer sebastian yunz again MVP do a reaction for socials
Starting point is 01:53:03 we'll make roxy happy hell yeah i'll do that's what our life revolves around here making roxy happy okay i know she's watching now she watches every one of these i'll do that that's our life roxy i'll do that and digger why not i'm gonna get my gorilla's needle drop you can't say that work job I can't believe you just said that on air You know, it's me and Tarantino out here What do you want?
Starting point is 01:53:24 He just did a whole Fortnite show All right Okay, here we go. Sebastian Yuntz is back. Have a wonderful weekend, gents. And Alex, if she's there, she's not So she doesn't get to have a good weekend. Yeah, I'm blessed
Starting point is 01:53:34 I'm blessed to watch y'all every day And I'll never stop watch. Thank you, Sebastian. Thanks for being our number one contributor on this stream today. I really appreciate you. Thank you, buddy. And Dex, I forgot I mentioned.
Starting point is 01:53:44 That's a really generous super chat. I really appreciate that. Hondo P. Des. Des, I appreciate you, Des. We got Just Stripling in the super chats. Thank you for chiming in. There are reports that Avengers Dooms Day
Starting point is 01:53:59 could be called Avengers Doctor Doom in Brazil. And it's rumored, but not confirmed, that it'll be called Avengers Judgment Day in Japan. I don't know why. Well, I do. Because it's terminated. But I love that. That sounds.
Starting point is 01:54:17 That's a pretty sweet title. It's a pretty sweet title. That's a pretty fucking cool title, man. Yeah, those are great titles. I'd watch any of those movies. I think it's smart to... I get in other countries when they decide to call it something different.
Starting point is 01:54:27 Yeah, it's cleaner. Honestly, it's sad they're not weirder translations. There's some really great weird movie translation. Actually, I'm imagining like a doomsday poster with like a Japanese style. Sounds pretty cool. Yeah. I love those.
Starting point is 01:54:42 I never watch the Japanese dubs, but I love the shirts and the posters. I was going to say, I got the Japanese Yeah, he's Yeah, like shit like Us Americans, I love that We're never going to watch that Should in Japanese, of course
Starting point is 01:54:56 But we love the Star Wars We're going to watch the Japanese All the Family, come on, why not? But now we have to react Yes, I think Army of Darkness It's called Captain Supermarket in Japan Or something like that. Do you know the risky business title in China?
Starting point is 01:55:14 No, what is it? The actual title of Risky Business at Tom Cruise movie in China is Just Send Him to University Unqualified We gotta look up one of these streams Just like a list of great movie title translations The Hangover is called somewhere in the world Like the historically most awful vacation ever or something like that Just send them to university unqualified
Starting point is 01:55:37 Anyway, Spidey Sensei 72 Thank you for chiming in Christmas toys for Spidey Cat Hope all the real rejects have a Merry Christmas, Christmas and a happy Hanukkah. Thank you. Thank you, Spidey Sense. Thank you. Thank you so kind. Thanks for wishing Spidey cat. He needs it right. Baby boy. He's a sweetheart. He's a super sweet cat. I watched him once while Koi was in Europe meeting his fiancee. Yeah. Big life-changing week I had.
Starting point is 01:56:03 Yeah, he's the sweetest cat of literally everybody. He's super sweet. Cuddle with me the entire time. And you guys had just met. He would call me Koi too. Yeah, I was one of the whole thing. He's like, you're the new Koi. They're like, you can talk! talking cat you're not leaving this room and i didn't profit off it i never made money despite he had eric roberts his voice he does he does actually no he sounds like uh sam stein what's no what's a binstein he sounds like benstein he's got the money oh i dad and we got one stream lab i think we're yeah we got one stream lab let's go back to the stream labs and then you guys are free we're free to go watch more leaks you guys are free to leak more stuff into the
Starting point is 01:56:39 keep in touch with my wife to make sure when she's on her way all right michael mk ultra Thank you for chiming in, closing us out potentially. Happy holidays, rejects. As a kid, theaters felt magical, a special treat when my mom could afford it. Heartbreak felt good in a place like this. Lately, it feels like people forgot theater etiquette, had three awful visits recently. Do you think this is common and adding to the death of theaters? Yes.
Starting point is 01:57:07 Definitely. Definitely. I think beds are going to make that worse. What we talked about earlier. I think it's really tricky because the next generation didn't have the reverence we did and the one after that, like Gen Alpha
Starting point is 01:57:23 grew up in the pandemic where it was not, you know, this reverence. I don't know. It's going to be really hard because there's also people making content in theaters. Like there's the phones out, people texting, people filming. Like there's just, it needs
Starting point is 01:57:39 to be sacrosanct. Like the space needs to be special and it's not right now. There's a YouTuber who I I love her videos. I think she's so good. It's like, you might be misled when you see the thumbnail and title, like, oh, is this one of those, like, drama, clickbait videos? But I think the way she scripts her stuff is, like, the equivalent of a journalist,
Starting point is 01:57:58 and she makes a lot of the same points we make, but just, like, really well thought out and British. Fancyer. Her name's Marina McBain. Her videos tend to do very, very well. Can you pull her up? She did a video a couple months ago. You guys haven't watched her stuff. she's so i think she's really fucking good at what she does uh and and uh she did a video called
Starting point is 01:58:18 going to the movie sucks now uh can you type that in going to the movie sucks now and it is so much what you and i talk about and she breaks it down yeah of of like the theater etiquette and stuff obviously i've watched so yeah she's uh if there's if you want to see a video that really encapsulates all the problems and why she does a lot of she did a lot of great videos too like two of them, very in depth about the depth of interviewed journalism basically and what influencers are doing and all the shit we've talked about. But yeah, she
Starting point is 01:58:51 does like a fully researched thought out stuff. Hell yeah. And she's also a smart person when it comes to how to fucking get people to watch her videos with her titles and thumbnails. But her videos itself are really well constructed too. Sounds like our people. Thank you, Marina. Yeah. Going to the movie sucks now.
Starting point is 01:59:08 There's a little screenshot for you guys. Yeah. Case you want to trick. The video. you, Dan, yourselves. All right, my missus is on the way. We're going to have a day to ourselves. Get some Christmas. So as we close out, once again,
Starting point is 01:59:23 wish Tara a happy birthday. Thank you to all who've been here. We know we've got more people here than usual. We tend to go live every Friday. We switch up the time. Thank you guys for accommodating. And this was a specific request for me, so thank you both. We'll be our next Friday because it's Christmas.
Starting point is 01:59:40 It's Christmas. And I think the week after. we might have something we shoot in advance. Yeah. That would make sense because of the way the dates work. You know, it's the second. Yeah. So perhaps.
Starting point is 01:59:51 Yeah. But then we will be back to the consistency of doing this live again. And thank you guys who have been with us on this journey, watching us grow, not just in performance here, but also in the quality of the gap. It's changed. Literally everything. So thank you guys for an amazing journey we've had this year. And it's a very strong stream for us to go out on. and so many of you guys have been here every single week
Starting point is 02:00:14 for the longest time. Additionally, all you guys who've been hitting us up about, we watch one of your top percent viewers of the year, that means a lot. And I'm really glad YouTube made that a feature, so that way you don't have to do the math and you know. So thank you guys for doing that.
Starting point is 02:00:30 And this pod is the thing people come up to me at least and say they're enjoying most, which means a lot because we love doing this. It is really, there's something much more gratifying about how much more people come up about this. then I love your, like, I love the comment of the direction, but there's something more rewarding about the podcast.
Starting point is 02:00:47 These are our opinions in like our worldview versus like, I like how your face moved to that movie. Yeah, no, I like when people like talk about the reviews and stuff. So thank you guys so much. And thanks, John. Thank you, Coy. You did it again. Thank all of you.
Starting point is 02:01:01 Is there someone I'm forgetting to think? Our only off-camera employee, Alex. And she's not here. She's not here. She's not here. She's hot in hell, Alex. And this is our first stream to actually. be on time we actually did it within the parameters we said and we ended on time what a way to in the
Starting point is 02:01:15 year peace out reject nation an actual to our stream there you go it is possible now we know I don't know. I don't know. I'm We're going to be. I'm going to be I'm going to I'm going to
Starting point is 02:02:50 I'm going to I'm going I'm I'm going I'm on the I'm So,
Starting point is 02:03:02 I'm going to I don't know. We're going to be able to Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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