The Reel Rejects - Marvel's Future Is Looking DARK!!

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

Fantastic Four First Steps Trailer "Controversial Comment," Daredevil Born Again Episode 9 (Finale Spoiler Talk), Season 2 Theories, The Punisher Special, Fantastic Four "Controversial" Comments, & MORE!! In this spoiler-filled breakdown of Daredevil: Born Again Episode 9, Greg Alba, Coy Jandreau, and Aaron Alexander dive deep into what worked, what didn’t, and where the show could go in Season 2. We debate if Foggy Nelson is really dead, explore fan theories, and pitch wild but grounded ideas for what the upcoming Punisher Special could tackle — from Frank Castle's symbolism to real-world parallels involving police and power. Then we shift gears into Fantastic Four discourse, analyzing Joseph Quinn and Vanessa Kirby’s recent “controversial” quotes about Johnny Storm’s bravado and Sue Storm’s gender politics. Is Marvel avoiding real masculinity and nuance? What direction should they be taking? Plus: MCU tone shifts, comic accuracy vs. modernization, and which heroes might show up next season in Daredevil’s new army. We also unpack our MCU Disney+ rankings, talk character arcs from X-Men '97, Loki, WandaVision, and Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and reflect on the evolving state of superhero storytelling. MCU Shows & Movies Discussed: Daredevil: Born Again, The Punisher Special, Fantastic Four: First Steps, Thunderbolts Captain America: Brave New World, Avengers: Doomsday PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects Follow Coy Jandreau:  Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?l... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coyjandreau/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYH2szDTuU9ImFZ9gBRH8w Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So thank you guys for doing that Anyway We're going to talk about the future of Marvel right now Because looking a little dark in all the brightest ways Talk about that and some fantastic four things because why not we're on the marvel subject here and to do this we asked you guys community posts comments to give us questions and we you guys are going to guide the whole podcast because yes we of course covered daredevil the fidelity had a lot to say during

there but now we're going to go through questions answer them in depth this is coys where his skills really shine so let's just go into it man yeah let's go into it all right do do do do do do do do Was that the new theme song? Corralry Chooks. Greg's process of music up here. Gwynneal Head 8592. They say the question of all questions. Oh.

Oh, I haven't. Okay. Do you think Foggy is alive? There seems to be a fan theory that his death was faked. I half expected him to be in one of those cages. So did I. I thought that's what the post credit scene was going to be. he's in a cage

now Coy there is a comic there is a precedent for this and I've been I actually been reading the mayor the mayor fist com I'm hopping between a lot of comics I'm reading the mayor fist comic I read the defining daredevil bull's eye comic the one where

he kills Elektra yeah the Frank Miller era yeah I didn't realize like oh that really inspired the movie yeah almost directly and a lot of the Netflix show absolutely except he doesn't kill Elektra which he should do in season two now I can bring her back to kill her again,

reborn again a lot of stabbing but do you think do you think he's alive I think the weight would have been undermined by bringing back this season

but I do think you can have the weight and then have it next year I think he can come back next year and still feel like oh foggy's dead and then like oh surprise I think it would have been

too soon if it was the season one finale I think it'd be kind of a cool twist in season two somewhere and there is a comic precedent foggy fakes his own death and the issue that he fakes his own death in is the building number behind him if memory serves in the episode he dies in born again so they might have

easter egg that but they also might have been like people like me going oh and then like a bait and switch which is what that's the eastergs i like when it's like maybe it's that but it doesn't have to be it's not too predictive um i think there's a great opportunity to have the avocados at law come back especially with how the finale sets it up that morning that bittersweet moment that melancholy but also daredevil's melancholic as a character and i think that loss is going to mean as much as his return. I think there needs to be something that he is missing and lost.

But if he gets his faith back, if he gets foggy back, then we go right back into Netflix, which is the tone people dig. I'm wondering how they would pull it off, though. He heard his heartbeat stop. Exactly. He heard his heartbeat stop.

And Kingpin, part of me is going, okay, so what's like the convoluted version? Let me pitch a very convoluted way out there version that's popping into my head. And then maybe they'll meet it. halfway point, even though they're already doing it, is, let's say Kingpin was actually part of the orchestration, because the part that was going off in my brain, and they do answer it, was like, why is Bullseye, you know, singling out Daredevil? Why isn't he going after Kingpin?

And then he does go after him in the finale. You find out he was hired by Vanessa, but I was like, what if actually Kingpin was somehow involved in the hiring and they set it up in a way where they could cage foggy? Because I don't feel like foggy would fake his own death. I feel like like continuity yeah i think they haven't given them enough to have that reason to they got to do the thing where he's like in a cage you bearded up like you know he's like elden rock here yeah he's got a caveman you know tom hanksy castaway like so funny he's the knuckle puck kid from matt mighty ducks to me i don't yeah i don't think it would be a version where foggy faked his own death it's something he's captive but it's like but why would why would they do that and i'll be honest man like the more

i've been diving into daredevil comics i've read more than ever foggy is such a big part of the Matt Murdoch storyline. He's so integral to it that every single time I'm reading, I am getting like this fucking feeling. This, like, it's not possible. I'll give you a visual. He's not,

why she's dead? Every time I'm reading, because it seems like we're robbing so much, like you sacrifice such an important character to serve. I know he was not a woman who was fridged, but it's like you fridge the best friend for shock, value, impact. And I don't feel like the season, to truth be told,

since we'll be bobbing and weaving throughout actual commentary of the show, I don't feel like the season, and I understand it's a lot of reworking two through seven was a lot of, like, mishmash and try to make it coalesce, and episodes one, eight, and nine are like the best. I love five a lot, though. episodes 1,8, and 9 are the best. I don't feel like it was truly necessary to still kill him off, like, because it didn't, or actually, if they did do it,

I don't think it really resonated over the entire season as strongly as it could have, factored into Matt's character, you know, because there's stuff that they kind of take a backseat to, like nothing about his mom, nothing about his faith, and if they actually really utilize, the loss of Foggy, then I wouldn't be having my chest burst feelings. Which is, I think, season two's potential. I think if they, if he's not faking it, if there is, Foggy's dead, I think he should be rediscovering his faith through actually celebrating

in mourning Foggy. Yeah. Because instead, he kind of ignored it and he ignored Daredevil. And then the whole time it was like, the moment he puts his horn down on the prayer card of Foggy, it was kind of a penance. And so I think those things should stay tied together season two. Yeah. Yeah, I'm talking exactly like you know what i'm saying and automatically as i say it you could hear the comments like they did do it this this this is oh there are moments but it wasn't enough for the way foggy it was a small it was not a impactful percentage i felt yeah it wasn't something that loomed over it was doing so much it was doing it was a bit of a mess but i like everyone else i have a lot of faith in uh in season two but yeah let's see if foggy's a lot it's a clean slate

season two and that that i think is really special yeah i agree i agree All right. Oh, let's move on to this one. Nita Kragnerag, what do you think the Punisher special will be about and who do you think will be the villain of it? How would you do it in a way that works as a Punisher solo special and helps the overall narrative board against season two is doing? I feel like you're going to have so much to say and I'm so insecure that you're going to take the very tiny bit. I'm going to say, can I just touch on a tiny bit of what I want to say? Thank you. is the only thing I really feel like it'll deal with is a lot of actually what we are fascinated by personally is the thematic appropriation of things.

You know, like they did deal with the police. I love the idea of Punisher reversing the cops who thwart things. And we do, we live in a society. We do live in a society that often takes a lot of meanings and words and weaponizes them to nefarious deeds or to turn into something cynical. or meet like the word woke shouldn't be what it has converted to now you know and that's one example of a word that has been abused and symbols shouldn't be abused and they should so i think like that's mainly what i feel like it's going to be focusing on is illustrating the theme i love whenever um it's like like in the boys you know all those comments that were coming in around like

season four or five, they're like, oh, this one camp's finally started realizing the show's about them or the shows about this side of the political side. And some people want you to just shut up and talk about like the superhero stuff. I'm like, but no, the show is talking about it. The art is talking about it. Yeah. So if we are talking about it, we are talking about it, not because we are injecting our own thing in there. That is what it's about. That is what it's about. And yes, it is our point of view. And we are injecting. I'm like, I get fascinated by when the other camp is going how it's about the others. I'm like, oh, so there is a way to interpret it is like the other way. And it's important to be open to that. I do think that it'll be

about the themes of Frank Castle. It'll be about grief. It'll be about how rage can be self-destructive. Like, I don't really know what the plot will necessarily be other than, like, because the way the show sets it up with this post-credit scene is Frank Castle versus Kingpin, or going after Kingpin in some way. But I don't think they would do that. They would obviously reserve that for Daredevil. I mean, but yeah, like I would love to hear you elaborate more on the thematic stuff. I love how eloquent you are about it.

And of course, you know, I haven't actually been diving into Punisher comics lately. So like what villains do you think and stuff? I think what you spoke to is exactly what they're going to be doing with the symbolism, the imagery and language, because it's really interesting to me that Daredevil doesn't have a symbol yet and Punisher does. And so symbolism even within the Netflix mythos is strong because Daredevil is, you know, the, he's read to Punisher and Punisher has the symbol. He's not, you know, fully white gloved, white boots, full comic accurate, but he is very much the Punisher. And that's what was stolen was that iconography.

And we got that great speech about his pain and them not understanding. We got a little bit about like you guys are playing dress up as me, but there still hasn't been a confrontation about them actually killing a vigilante under his moniker. We still haven't had the big villain, I think, is going to be somewhere between the cop that we were going after with Daredevil the whole season, who did not meet his end at the end of the show. Or the cop that's big in the comics, his name escapes me right now, not Chase. Which comics? The Black Tooth Pretty Eyes that was cast in the show, but they made him a dirty cop. Oh, the one on the task force? Yeah.

In the comics, he's a good guy that doesn't believe in vigilanteism, and he's like on the right side. of the law and it's interesting they've completely turned him keep on that name for yeah it's really he's a great character in the comic and i'm i'm so sorry comics in this moment but there's a lot of names uh but in the comics like he's on the other side and he ends up believing in daredevil through many years of storytelling having him as a villain i think is to set up him to be the villain to punisher because he's the one that looks like he physically shot white tiger so i think it might be punisher going against um industries going against groups going against the systems the themselves because he's got a military background. He's seen these cops appropriate a symbol.

We've seen the systematic appropriation of things with Mayor Fisk using his mayoral powers. So I could see it being Daredevil rallying an army to go at Kingpin and then Punisher taking down the systems that allowed Kingpin to have all that power. So I think it's going to be the the cops, the corrupt politicians and the things that are in that world. Oh, you know, he reminded me right now. I've been reading, I did actually start reading a Punisher comic book. the is it garthennis is the garthennis is like one of the iconic ones uh dillon on art i believe that's the one it's great run i mean it's one of the runs i looked up like what is the quintessential ones i should read and i i thought the in the the beginning of it was interesting because

he's known in the neighborhoods yeah and the neighborhoods kind of protect him and he's one with the people and when you're looking at what happens with this conversation with karen at the end of this season a lot of it is about you do care frank stop acting like you don't care so i think this will be the first it could potentially land us in a spot where it's the first time you actually see frank doing something that's caring for the city and caring for the people because frank is very much portrayed as a character who is it's all personal vendetta and that's where the violence comes from and such right we all we all know the punisher but we haven't gotten yet where the neighborhood respects and likes him and he's a protector for them rather than a man on a vengeance

quest. Right. So I think the story could definitely like land us there. I also think John Bernthal, the man would want to tell a story about what the symbolism means of being a cop because John really respects cops when they're on the right side of what that badge means. John really respects when there can be a conversation between cops and criminals. Like his podcast, is so passionate. Like, I love his podcast. Real Ones is about what it means to be blank. And the person on the other side of the microphone

and the other side of the table with him is pouring their hearts out about the experience of what it is. And one of my most powerful podcast experiences was he had a guy that arrested someone years earlier, put him away, put his kid away, and now those two guys after the conversation have a podcast together.

One's a felon, one's a cop. And they have a podcast together. I feel like John Bernthal the man and Punisher the character would want to establish, hey, this is why you as a cop should not be wearing that symbol. This is why that symbol means something else, even though it's the one he's wearing. His brokenness should not have anything to do with that badge. So I would love to see something about that in, you know, Mayor Fiske's corporate level. I'd love to see what it means to be in government and what you're supposed to do to uphold the people's voice. I'd love

to see something about what it means to carry a badge and a gun on the streets at that level and what that is appropriated into so i can see there being a lot of really heady important conversations around a character like the punisher because he is a guy that just shoots and kills people but he's also a guy that stands for something his ethics and morals are ironclad just like i think john bernthos are is cold north kohl north thank you so much it was driving me purely insane uh cole north's character it's completely different in the show i could see him being a big villain oh no jigsaw i don't see him got at a lot i think bent barns is busy it's the go-to one right yeah So I really think they have gold on their hands, though, when you put Daredevil and Punisher

together. So special. When I was going through the comics a few weeks ago, I was like, do I start with Punisher or do I just start reading some Daredevil Punisher? Do I skip to the fun ones? There is good Punisher, but I get it. There's a lot of, there's a lot of like team ups. And like, you know, I, I'm not paid to say this. I would love to.

Seriously, give me a brand deal. I'll talk about all the time is uh I was talking with Koi about it the I don't collect as many of the physicals and my brain does not process as well and I guess my mind has been corrupted by uh ADHD world but the wherever the hell I'm trying to say I use Marvel unlimited app and I use DC infinite app for my comics primarily because if you guys if you guys I don't know if you guys have used it before but you like how would you explain it you go into like the panels it guys you yeah so it feels a little bit more magnified isolated it tells you where the flow is it pauses it makes it a cinematic experience yeah i personally

i like reading comics not and i buy comics but when i'm rereading something i do like the flow of kind of like it's like driving an automatic car versus a stick shift i i prefer stick shift because i like feeling like i'm in control but there's some days i like just cruising that's the infinite app where you just kind of like it's a vibe i like telling me where to look and yeah because a lot of knives when i open up a full comic page i'm like overwhelmed and i'm kind of like speeding around, where this isolates and it makes it easier for me. Totally fair. And Marvel Unlimited app has the Daredevil.

There's a section now where it's like Daredevil Punisher Comics. So I started reading those for money. And honestly, the numbers, like, it's so much better. It's inexpensive. It's a monthly thing. And you get infinite access to 10,000 comics, tens of thousands of comics at DC and at Marvel. The Marvel Unlimited App, tons of Marvel. DC, it's like if you get the top tier, you get the comics within 30 days of them coming out new.

Yeah. It's crazy. The number of clicks and stuff does help the editorial staff know that you like those books. So don't steal comics. If you want to read them digitally, it's a monthly fee like less than Netflix that gets you all of this. And it does help the artists and writers and stuff get more work. Yeah, they got like everything. Everything.

It's amazing. It really is amazing. And I get excited at Daredevil and Punisher. And like watching them team up in that final episode was glorious. You know, it was amazing. Yeah. And then they fight at the end. and I'm going, wow, if you're going to

reutilize this, like you could do a limited series of Daredevil and a Punisher. But just a special. That was. My God. A special with just the Punisher, though, is so prime right now with ways they set him up.

Like, I feel like you can accomplish things that Daredevil, we just talked about how much Daredevil is juggling. I think the corruption and the cop stuff and that, a leg, should be a Punisher story. Absolutely. So that's why I love the idea of a special edition that John Brunthal's co-writing.

Yeah. Like, that's insane because he's so passionate about this exact thing. Well, I would love if they also did this after season two. Yeah, if they did some limited run, I think that would be a massive. It would be a massive thing. Like a four episode, something,

like a mini series of a comic. I'd love that. Yeah, them fighting about the same goddamn thing. You can't kill. I want to kill. But they deserve to die. I know, don't. Yeah, it would be pretty incredible.

It would be pretty incredible. More John Bernthell always. Okay, here we go. Here we go. mollum i'm hopping around here austin daniels 4827 not going to lie very disappointed how they handled muse he was great until episode seven don't like making him an actual character okay he's scarier not knowing anything about him hmm i'm really excited for season two leaving all the pre-haul stuff behind and hopefully some defenders making their return all right this is this is a bit of a twofold here category wise muse was something we harped on quite a bit. I don't think

making him an actual character is the problem. I would have made it more of a character. I felt like we didn't care about it enough. Yeah, you can get to know someone and they could still be terrifying. Yeah, I think more therapy scenes and building up that relationship would have made that fight more impactful. Yeah, it was

rushed. I think like the buildup was going well. I also put a mine hunter a bit more. That's exactly what we were saying. Yeah. It was like mine hunter. I thought that's what they were doing. It felt like they did twice and they needed like seven times and what we mean by that if you guys haven't seen a mind hunter was doing this mind hunter was this david fincher show it was an incredible series really is and it was based on true events of like them

was it fbi i discovering serial killers and developing the language of all of this yeah categorizing a lot of psychology and so you got like came you're from charles manson you know you get like these kind of big killers in there and the big one they were setting up was they would have these post credit stings of the bt k killer who lasted a few decades or a couple decades i think i forget the exact time but um i thought that's what they were doing i think i was leading to season three but like with news they didn't lead to and it's just like it's happening and i would have liked a little bit more of a set up personally yeah yeah i mean he's he's a but what did you say in this he's actually uh he's only in hell in the comics and then uh he was only in nine issues like he's got a very small run uh but very

impactful run um written my charles soul ill illustrated by one of my favorites, Ron Garnie. And that, he stayed dead for like years. He just came back. Right now, Daredevil is Electra. Matt died and Daredevil took on the mantle of Daredevil. There's a lot going on. But now Daredevil's back, and there's two Daredevil.

One is Electra. One is Matt Murdoch. And the female Elektra, I mean, the female Daredevil, which is Electra, is fighting Muse, who is controlling a new artist from beyond the grave. So he's manipulating from hell and controlling a new artist. they're playing around with the idea of like cover bands and and artists taking inspiration from others and amuse being someone else's muse. Hmm.

It would be, well, the big, okay, what am I trying to say? I said to do that. I stammer a lot and then I finally got a trade a thought. It is. The Midnight Suns is coming in. Yeah, and there's going to be more supernatural stuff. Yes, and then one day you act, that would be pretty cool if they could do that. I feel like their future is in the darkness.

I feel like their future is in Marvel TV. I mean, Deadpool. made a billion dollars and it's very R-rated and adult. We are 18 years into this journey, which means that literally if you were born when it started, you're grown. So it's time, I think. I think that there needs to always be all-age of stuff, but I do think they need to not have one out of every 10 be dark. I think we need to start letting the comics mirror a certain era. And I think that as Marvel has lasted two decades, they need to look at how their audience has changed just as DC as they're starting to establish a new tone. I think we're going into a different

age of comic book properties just like comics do. There was a golden age of comics, then there's a silver age of comics, then a bronze age of comics, then the modern age of comics. Comics have very clear dividing lines of tone. I think we're entering a new dividing line of comic book adaptation. And I think in Marvel, that needs to be very aware that we want things a certain way. And I think that this new era of DC needs to be very aware that it's going to be doing a new thing. And I think these things happening simultaneously is going to mark a new era in comic adaptation. How old were you when you started watch, was your family pretty loose in R-rated movies? Too much so, yeah.

Yeah. I didn't realize they were like a thing until I was old enough for them to be like, you shouldn't be watching these. And I was like, but why are we starting now? So like it was kind of the reverse. Like when I was 13 and I could comprehend. that I shouldn't be watching it. I'd been watching them when I was like five

so that I was like, why are you taking it away now? So, yeah, like our ratings that didn't work for me. It was like a system that didn't really succeed in my house. Was it violence or sex? I think the violence was the thing that I saw at a young age that I was like, I've already seen people be dismembered in Jason.

Why can't I watch this new thing? Whereas, like, I think, nudity was kept from me to the right level but it was never a faux pa like my parents didn't watch things with a lot of nudity when I was young but when I would see something with nudity

they'd be like you know like that's normal in life beheading isn't like I think Americans have a very very messed up rating system where like a booby is like worse than a dismemberment like someone being bowels it should be way worse than like that ass so I think I was raised that way

where, like, I was explained when things were sexualized and told, like, the context, but it was kept for me until the point I could comprehend it, whereas I saw way more violence because TV had violence on it and, like, horror movies and stuff. Yeah, I've often pondered that as well. Like, I know in Europe, it's the inverse generally. Yeah, I think I was raised more European. Yeah, sexuality is more okay, and violence is not. But it's not pushed on you in Europe in the way that I think there's, when you can't do

something you want to do it i think kids are like i can't see boobs i'm gonna see all of them like you know what i mean like so i feel like violence was already planted in our subconscious and that's not healthy um but r rated movies i think they were selective about what type of our rating i was able or should be watching yes i'm i'm not a parent right you're not a parent and i know some parents who some are very much like no can't do r rated at all and I know a couple of parents I can think of right now where their kids are 13 or younger and they'll watch like horror movies with them that are R rated. I know one who's, I think she's, I think she's 12, 13 and they're like heard her dad like watch the saw movies. She's like a brilliant kid, brilliant child.

And for me, I'm like, I don't know if I would do that. But that's kind of crazy. And then I thought about me. I'm like, but I was doing that when I was a kid. I watched R rated movies constantly. sexuality was the one where my parents would half-heartedly shield like and look for my hand up but they're not really paying attention i saw like monsters ball it's a showgirls when i was a lot you know and and uh i wasn't i was not a censored child and like like john's in the room john had the complete opposite side of a lot of censorship and it is subjective of that experience and i i'm

wondering where the conversation of how far can we take it will go I think Marvel's hindered an entire generation's awareness of, like, chemistry. I think that the Marvel relationships are not healthy because of how much they've made it prudish. Like, I think of Pepper Potts and Tony as work associates. I know, it looks like goddamn Disney. Yeah. But, like, Pepper and Tony are, like, buddies. I feel like to make that child, they high-fived.

Like, there's no friction there. And I think that, you know, we don't, I don't think superhero movie should be, like, bonin. But I do think that, like, love and, like, chemistry and relationship. should be there. The fact that the Eternals came out and that was the first sex scene in Marvel and it was like clavicles up and people were like clutching their pearls. Oh my God, a Marvel movie

where they acknowledged relations. That's not healthy. Oh dear. Like yeah, that to me is not healthy either. So I think there is an element of Alan Moore it's funny with the Superman clip that came out last week. That made the rounds and all of the dumbest people were trying

to find the things that were going to be like, but this person and that person and like everyone wants to be right. And you can be right to you, but that doesn't mean you're right to me, and you're never going to convince me that my experience is your experience. Have your experience.

Peace be with you. I don't care. But like when you... Like, I just don't. Like, go. But my experience of superhero stuff is it is a way to have all of the things, and we've talked about this,

that I think religion is supposed to do, but without the pain and suffering of thinking it's real. And Alan Moore is one of the great writers of comment. and he's been very vocal and a number of people tagged me in like Alan Moore saying that you know if we have all this superhero culture we're infanticizing culture can I interrupt you so you can list some Alan Moore comics so that way if we're oh uh watchman far from hell I mean sorry watchman from hell um killing joke killing joke I mentioned that I mentioned watchman and from hell first because those are two books that a lot of people don't realize are comic books especially from hell V for Vendetta I think is a great example of like political subversion and then doing it in just a format that suits. the thing. But Viva Vendetta from Hell, Watchman, none of those are

infantilizing the audience. And I think that Alan Moore coming out against comic books, he has every right to. And I still will always love and respect that man. But I think he's underappreciating the human condition. I think he's not giving the grace of people the understanding of like, we get it. Like, when David Corn Sweat says he wants the suit to be bright so that kids aren't afraid of aliens with glowing red eyes and like

that power doesn't come across as offensive and aggressive. I think Alan Moore goes, well, that's how everyone's going to see it. And I think it's not giving parents the grace of going, no, this is for both of us. I want a tool. And that's not to say I'm smarter than Alan Moore. I'm not. He's a genius. It is to say that I think I see humanity different than Alan Moore, and that's okay. My point being, I do think what his concerns were about the superhero culture, Marvel has done to a point. And I think that now is the time to outgrow that. I think we are evolving out of this PG era and like the PG-13 shouldn't just be for violence.

If you're going to let a man decapitate a man with the Captain America Shield, you should let people feel like they actually bone. Like I think the human condition needs to evolve. And I don't think every sex scene should be a pegging scene for Deadpool. It shouldn't always be a joke. There should actually be movies that are for everyone.

Logan's a great example. I don't know if Marvel would make Logan. I think having a healthy relationship with sexual is an ongoing struggle. I can't speak to the rest of the world, but certainly in America. Yeah. So I think that we need to have the darkness,

not just be supernatural. Dark does not just be, you know, jokes that are like, you know, R-rated and T-He. I think the movies should also mature at times.

And we have to understand darkness, too. Like, darkness does not equate to good. No, no, it's greedy. Remember the dark and gritty early 2000s

where everything was like, we're going to do it, but it's going to be dark and greedy. Yeah. Didn't go well. Yeah. Violence is not equate to good. No.

but if we can have violence we also need to have the other side if we can have death we need to have life and life comes from bone in yeah it does but like I and I say that flippantly because of you know the nature of being on the internet

but like I think to make it an actual serious statement I think relationships are as important to this genre as any other genre and so many comic books have mature themes and relationships and so many things that people

trivialize is because we only make popular the the the shiny version of stuff. And I think if we only make popular to the shiny, it's not going to give a chance for people to ever legitimize this medium. If we always make it the thing

that people want to go, oh, that's for kids, then it is. And I think there are things that are under the ink of these pages that need to be brought to the light. Yeah. So in the Punisher's Special, Purcher's going to hook up and punish that ass. He's going to get so much coffee.

So many coffee breaks are going to be bad. That's what we're talking about with darkness, black coffee. Yeah. So Mews and. sexuality yeah would have been an interesting one let me see if there's like john campy of this you know where you you have your topics in mind then you pull the question to make it seem like that was the question that oh it's inspired this whole thing that's what inspired it was that question

everyone does that all right you're like john campy is the only he invented questions he invented how to take someone's question to make it sound like a that's how they came up with the subject today and a Oh, here we go. Perfect. The Woo Clown. Hey, this is a good question. Will we have a Defender's reunion in season two?

I am so excited about it. I hope we do. I would love for them to redo Defenders. I think that was part of the lessening of impact on Marvel TV on the Netflix era was the disappointment. I know there's a lot of love for it now. At the time, I will never forget. yet how disappointed a lot of people were with how that show actually turned out. It was not great at the time.

And I know a lot of people come around to it, but I don't know. It doesn't seem like a lot of people talk about like Daredevil, but no one really talks to. You'd think if the show was really great defenders, a lot of people would be talking about, oh, remember the cinematic culmination of the defenders? No one really mentions it that often, right? Yeah. But a lot of people talk about Daredevil, Second group, Jessica Jones. third would be like if an iron fist was okay

i feel like uh luke cage they people talk about the first half of season one yeah yeah definitely um but i would i think they absolutely ought to do a defender's reunion i thought that's what they were saying at the end of season one says an army and then you cut to a bunch of people in a bar who were like this is your army a few cops josie no i think it would be i think i think they would do it i i feel like christin redder uh mike colter I'll ask you, honestly, do you think Finn Jones should come back? I do. I think if you have, if you have Kristen Ritter, Mike Coulter, and Charlie Cox at a room, and that it's like, he's busy, it'll feel like an insult, especially since Finn Jones wants his redemption. And I feel like if Marvel's done anything amazingly, it's making arcs that shouldn't work, work.

And I think you could do a redemption arc for Finn Jones. I think Finn Jones was in a really tricky spot and not being a martial artist being cast as the greatest martial arts of all time. and that shit and he can't wear a mask to hide it to hide and that's not fair to the like it shouldn't have been the case that's not who they should have cast like Charlie Cox has a stunt double and he does a lot of his own fighting sure he can get a lot of cool daredevil shit because it's not it's not Charlie Cox Chris Brewster is the guy that's doing the hallway fight and Chris Brewster is now a stunt coordinator that's done some of like he did like the

Renfield stunt coordinating Chris Brewster is a genius like Chris was my stunt double in Star Trek I love Chris but people don't realize because they go like Charlie Cox and I'm like also Chris Brewster but Finn Jones doesn't really have opportunity and I think they shouldn't have cast him first if he couldn't have done it. I'm not defending the casting choice, but I do think it would not be fair to him if everyone comes back. That said, I would have it be he gets an awesome moment. He gets a redemption beat and then it's Jessica Henwick. I 100% would make Jessica Henwick get the power of the fist. It transfers over because the end of Iron Fist season two actually got awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were about to set up

business. I like season two quite a bit. Okay, so that was 2018 when season two came out. And so it was like seven years. He hasn't played him like seven, eight years. Yeah. If he does come back, I think. What is that noise? Of what? It was so alarming.

Oh, someone got kidnapped or something. I'm sorry, someone. Oh, that's scary. Yeah. It's one of those phone things where it's like, oh, okay, I'm back. Wow. Do you get you defenders? You don't get those?

Emergency alerts where it's like I specifically mute those. Oh. You're like driving. You're like that license plate looks like, oh. No. No, it's probably on my phone right. I just don't have it.

It's weird to go off. Mine's on silent and it went off. Anyway, this commercial break puts you by an emergency. We have no way to help with it. Okay. Is it in our area? It was on the 101. It was like a highway thing where it gave a license plate.

That's all I. so got it okay i'll check my phone and then i'll find the person i was like i got this got to end this early but i think with iron fist um i think it could very much be like a hating christiansen situation where different because hating christians in let's not forget revenge of the sith and all that it was not a loved actor people hated him and then people grew up and then i'm like but that was my childhood and I really liked him. And I feel like he did his best work actually in the TV shows. Yeah, 100%. I really like

Revenge of the Sith. I still feel like his acting certainly evolved quite a bit. And it's been a while and I feel like Finn Jones probably has the emotion. I think he could take a lot of the personal emotion that happened that sometimes

that feeling of I have to prove myself can do wonders for you. Especially the decade of it? Oh yeah. Like the neat like this is my opportunity. I don't feel like he would blow it. He just spoke at a con saying you wanted to come back. Yeah, I remember that. And I think if you're going to give everyone else the chance, he should get a

redemption beat. I don't know if it's going to be the whole season, but I think it'd be really cool to have him out. And I think Jessica Henwick is made for this. Yeah, yeah. I would love for the defenders to come back. And I think even, you know, branching off into them having their own show again could be great. I think what we were just talking about

maturing things up, Jessica Jones is the perfect example of that. Yeah. And it made her character interesting because that tied into Kilgrave that tried into a relationship with their mother that type I mean they have a child in the comic books like Luke Cage and Jessica Jones and that's a very important element of like what's a mother like that's grown up

this way that's been foul-mouthed and you know you know this rage of a person that's now trying to temper that to raise a child well I think some of the Disney stuff though it's weird like they did the violent stuff which is good I'm not going to diminish the fact that they actually

took the swing to do the violent stuff I I do get I do wonder if they're going to shy away, though, from some of these deeper theme stuff that could be like, ooh, we might divide our audience here. With, like, with talking about faith, the fact that it was completely absent here. Heather and Matt were like, they said, I love you. And I was like, y'all, there's not much going on. I think that's in part because they're like, let's shy away from any sort of.

Yeah, shy away from sexuality. I feel like they shied away from religion commentary. And, you know, like Jessica Jones deals a lot with assault. Yeah. I feel like they're my concern is that's what makes it impactful is those things and not the aesthetic of a gory moment. Like a lot of people are, you know, hooray. He ripped this guy's face apart. And it didn't dawn on me until probably this morning. Like, oh yeah, that is actually like a pretty cool thing that they did do that. I didn't put much thought into it. But yeah, it's true. Disney did do that on their on their television streaming service. that's all the other stuff that's the real provocative things not that right that is more like close your eyes kids this is the other shit that makes you think yeah like captain america four you've now seen yeah that was a huge part of my problem with they they had a at a white house you know yeah and i was like so there's no commentary there's and then like you know they they had a wrongfully

imprisoned black man get with the new black captain america and they don't even yeah there's not A hint of commentary either. So, like, to me, that shows they're not willing to have these conversations. Oh, they're scared. I think there's a lot of, like, pick. I am not saying go out there and be like, hey, be anti-Trump or some shit. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that there are stakes.

Have a point of view. Yeah. And don't be afraid of it. Have a voice. Yeah. That's what art is. You have a voice. Show me a point of view.

I'd rather listen to a passionate point of view than. Even if I disagree with it, I want to be passionate. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You hit the nail on head. Even if you disagree, I want to be passionate. I love hearing difference of opinions, and I love strong opinions, you know, especially if it's coming from like a heartfelt place, but I think for the, I think that's key.

I think for the defenders, though, that we miss out on those things. And, yeah, when you look back at the trajectory, too, of the defenders, there's so much we're unpacking right now that I didn't even consider. It's like, Daredevil was the bold swing, very religious, violent. It was doing a lot that Marvel wasn't doing. And then Jessica Jones comes out, and it's not as violent, but damn, is it mature in the sexuality department? And then Luke Cage is dealing with the streets of Harlem, you know,

and black culture. And then Iron Fis comes out, and it's a rich white guy. Sure is. It's kind of like a bland show. Yeah. So what does it have to say as compared to, like, what you have a lot to say about. about PTSD, war vets, and such.

So that commentary, and I felt like they were shying away from that even Daredeva Born again, where some of the voice got muddied. Yeah. His speech, I think, would have been stronger on Netflix. I think they would have taken different swings. I think they would have had a stronger message.

I'm proud of them for saying anything. I've been saying the whole season, like, but I do think that is a concern. But we can't forget that. A lot of these things that we tend to I'm for, I'm only, whoa, whoa, ah, emergency alert, a laptop is falling on the table. The, I forget that too. Like, I'm only remembering all this because we're having a dialogue right now.

I'm like, oh, yeah, that's why that shit was actually impactful. And a lot of the best superhero stuff is when it doesn't feel like it's just doing, going through the motions. Like, I think. That's why defenders, I think, actually, fail. It was kind of going through the motions. Yeah, yeah. But if you look at like The Crow, one of the greatest comic book adaptations ever, that is, it's so much pathos. You have so much connection, there's so much humanity in it.

And it's a guy that's coming back from the dead for his love. And that wouldn't have work if you didn't love them. See every other remake of The Crow. Like you have to love them, and that doesn't work if there's not that passion. Yeah. And, I mean, like Logan, so much passion, so much to say. The Dark Night, so much to say. What was the last MCU movie that felt like it was really saying something?

That's all those Captain American movies are pretty damn impactful. I got a lot out of No Way Home that I don't know. if other people would about responsibility and overcoming your like predestined ideas of who you are but that was what i that one said a lot for me um that's why iron man one's done my god has a lot to say yeah especially military industrial complex and growing out of like being a childish billionaire yeah especially the billionaire like when you look if you go watch iron man one now with the with the relationship the world has and the optics around billionaires in particular and the the con do we really need to remind people of what's going on in the world but iron man one

was that was an interesting play on that very interesting play and more relevant as time has gone on and who's an iron man to Elon Mosca's in there that's right but i also think it's really interesting to look at the ones that haven't succeeded when they've had stuff to say like eternals eternals is is talking about like who are the protagonists if this person is hiding this and letting the trolley problem affect all their decisions. Yeah, but two guys kiss, Coy. I'm gonna get rid of it. I may have got it got the message if this wasn't.

If they were shoving it down my throat. That man's tongue is shoved down another man's throat about. But like I think it's hurdles had a whole lot to say. And I think the problem was it was saying a lot in a Marvel movie that, you know, I think people want escapism at cost sometimes. Yeah. I think we're getting to the point where. If it says anything, people are like,

Baa, it said too much. And that's what worries me about Blockbusters is you can do both. And like, look at Robocop, man. Oh, yeah. Like, Robocop says so much. And it's a great action movie. You can do both. And I think Marvel has.

I think Winter Soldier has. I think Iron Man has. I think Guardians three. Guardians three had a lot to say. I think that's the one that I think everyone can agree, had a lot to say, and also is a stupendous action film. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

Hey, John, what are we out on the time right now? coin at just about an hour yeah coin i do not do i don't know what time is just aware of we're going to branch off here let's get these questions then we just totally branch off we did talk about the kill

oh you know what i think thunderbolts is going to have a lot to say you think so i think thunderbolts is going to be a very interesting commentary on how replaceable people are and i think it's going to be an interesting commentary on what we see heroism as because you know they bought avengers tower I think they're going to be posited as or at least positioned as heroes that, oh, we should trust them, ignore their history, ignore their past, like just, just prop them up.

And I think there could be some really interesting commentary on Century versus the Void because Sentry is the idealized, you know, Golden God hero, blonde, blue-eyed, you know, Superman-esque. And then the Void cancels all of the good deeds of the, do you know the Century character? Not well. So everything Century does, he has an evil alternate that, you know, races at all. So if Sentry saves 100 people, Void's going to kill 100 people. So I think there's going to be an interesting

commentary on that character juxtaposing these everyday people that are just super soldiers effectively trying to punch the way out of a problem that people are being like, there are saviors, there are saviors. Can they save us? I think Thunderbolt's going to have a lot to say. I hope so. So that one might be my next, like, I'd put, you know, pocket aces on that.

All right, here we go. Okay, so now we're going to give efficient answers. How do you feel about the stylistic choices in the series cinema Sost is asking specifically for the episodes that Justin Benson and Aaron Moore had directed would you like them to lean more into those choices next season yes yes I personally do like I saw like a little talking about Brandon Davis was having the conversation about how they you what they had to do for the frame to zoom it out yeah brilliant and that's when the show was really shining a lot because I love the aesthetic of the

Netflix show, and I do think that the cinematography at times in this does kind of have that like basic looking blue thing. That's shiny? Yeah, so whatever they did lean into these like, like the opening fight scene, the opening fight scene has been really up for debate for a lot of people with Bull's Eye and Daredevil. And in that fight, you know, people are like too much CGI, too much this. the previs did you see the previous yeah like that was really cool it was awesome and

weirdly i personally loved the feel and the look of that whole opening sure does it feel cg i enhanced yes it does because like that's the brilliance of the true oneers to the not true oneers as they look fucking real and they look like one take about a studio episode of winter. Yeah, dude. So good. The water is so good. Gotta be here for history. That's so cool. And you guys got to watch the studio. I hope the show is for everyone because I feel like it's just made for me and I'm always like it's my favorite. It's my favorite new show in the year by a lot. I watched it last night. I like one of the newest episode. Oh, it's my comfort. So good. But I like the I still feel like there was a purposeful style to every moment of that, even if there was some visual and enhancements to go along with it and shrouded in smoke. uh it was beautiful and haunting and i remembered i remembered a reaction watching that as it was like a really cool moment but it with the foggy death scene and everything like i was not like whoa this is really badass that was it was it was a it lingered the haunting feeling of it the menace of it

lingered in me and i love when they lean into that shit so absolutely should i would love for them to Go Mike Flanagan and direct them all next time? Comics are stylized. The show should be, too. And they're the ones who capture that. They're the ones who capture this looks like a comic book. The best. Netflix with the colors and the tones and the framing,

that felt like a comic. This feels like a different comic. I'm so happy with it. Please, more. Please, absolutely. Sorry, to talk forever. You're like, let's be brief. And I was like, I'm going to say yes.

And Greg, I'm going to say all the things I need to say, and I'll just say yes. Let's see here. Okay. read mozer okay clear good have a fun time with this one uh read moser i know dare devil said he's going to assemble an army and it kind of shows that at the end with the people he gathered but what heroes do we think might show up for season two to either get killed off like a white tiger or live on like a frank castle i think we get miss marvel hopefully that would be fucking weird and hopefully jessica jones i think josec jones lukech and maybe iron fist are a lock i feel like we're going to get the defenders in some format i think our big uh pop moment is going to be they're going to save Claire Temple as night nurse to patch someone up. I think Rosario Dawson coming back would be an awesome, like everything's full circle. Okay. To save

someone. I think street level hero wise, I don't think we'll see a lot of MCU characters. If we do, I could see like a tie-in with Cape Bishop, I could see, because of how street level they made sure that Hawkeye show was. And I could also see that as a way to elevate Miss Marvel, especially with her dad being in it. I

would be very hesitant to introduce new characters to kill because it would feel, depending on how screen time they get depending on what they're doing this next season's doing a lot it's like the devil's rain storyline which is incredible but it's doing a lot so i wouldn't bring in a lot of new heroes uh but i would stick to bringing back the ones we know and give them their time uh i'm surprised i'm gonna i'm gonna deviate here for a second because they didn't take like getty images of it so i feel like we can't talk about it so disappointing yes yes i mean i made

my thumbnail with the image that's public so the the new suits um it's weird because when they show the photos, it looks like they're teaming up. Yeah. Daredevil and Bullseye. Yeah. Do you think that's a possibility? I think there could be a moment

where they have a greater evil if it falls. Have you read Devils or any? No, I'm not. Dude, it goes crazy. Daredevil leads the hand for a time. Like, it gets crazy. So I can see there being something

that's big enough of a threat that Daredevil lets the devil out and is malleable in his ethics and teams up with Bullseye. Why would he get a new suit? I mean I think in a branding sense we've been wanting the DD for a very long time but why go back to black I think back to black is the symbolism of him choosing darkness and not having I think someone else dies and I think maybe that's him being like oh what I was doing

wasn't working I'm going to be this person it's a it's a visual representation of the darkness okay wow bold's eye and do you like the suit oh I love it I mean it's finally like it's been waiting for so long And like I I and it's such a straight from the comics look like it's they did it. I love it. That's cool. And the DD does actually get to really pop because it's on black. You get the red there. Yeah. And then I think he'll land in his comic suit after. I think it'll land in like not the devil's rein suit, but the regular. I think the deed will stay, but on the red suit at the end. I get worried that the show might fall into like a lot of repetitive beats of the of the previous seasons too. You know, because a lot of it is you know, very much Matt is oh i have a conflicting relationship with being daredevil oh i'm gonna go full daredevil then

oh i'm not gonna be daredevil at all it's like it's a constant i get it's very matt murdock and and even with that pitch right there because in the mayor fiske one doesn't he like at one point become like acting mayor tarl uh matt murdock or something oh briefly yeah it's very brief right he's also revealed himself as daredevil and like gone to court as daredevil like it's there's craziness in the comics that i doubt they'll do i think that's what the show I feel like they should, though. Yeah. So that way they mix it up.

That way they can do something completely different. And especially, like, you can lean more into Matt being older because Charlie Cox is in his 50s now. And I think you could do something. Is he right? Am I wrong with it? 40s or 80s? I don't know.

He's older now. Charlie Cox is 42. Oh, my God. I'm way off. I'm sorry, Charlie Cox. I thought it was in his 50s. He started playing. Oh, that makes sense.

10 years ago was the season premiere of Daredeville. So it would have been like early 30s. Oh, yeah. My bad. I was like, he looks amazing for 50, but he looks good for 40s. My bad. With such conviction, sorry, Charlie. I didn't think he looks 50s.

I thought he wasn't. But I still think you can absolutely lead more into, I think it would be something completely different that would be impactful and not repetitive because you do run the risk of going down repetitive terrain right now. I think the way, I mean, comics, Daredevel's been around for 60 years. I think the way you keep the repetitive beats working is by having variables that are like the church, that are like the commentary, that are like the outside circumstances. and then you don't notice it as much.

But I think it's a fine line to walk on TV with seasons and how it can feel repetitive in that medium. Yeah, because you're spending so much time with them. Yeah, at a certain point, you know. People are already sick of Thor's Ark, of him constantly learning the same thing of like how to be a... I must be humble. I am a good, but I must be good.

I have a child now. I'm looking for my purpose. I'm constantly looking for my purpose. You just met this kid, but they're my kid, I think. Yeah, it's like constantly Thor's Ark. And I think Daredevil 100% can run to that same boat. and Bullseye and him teaming up, I think letting Bullseye become full Bullseye villain

could be also really good. There's got to be a reason why they're showing us that specifically, right? I mean, they showed us John and Charlie, like they showed us the finale. Yeah, it was a team up, though. But, yeah, I mean, those images are pretty sweet. I like that he's getting, I like that bull's eye is also evolving to get his full suit.

Yeah, he looks great. I wish it had the, but maybe it will land with that. because I don't think the show has yet done the true they haven't earned it yet they haven't gone there yet so the idea of them teaming up is not that exciting to me because I still I was watching this opening going like why is he direct it seems like they're pitching it like he's directing all of his personal issues and vendetta his obsession that's like reading that definitive bull's eye comic arc where he kills Electra yeah he's obsessed obsessed with Daredevil. He can't

stop thinking about him and he's got to like go after him. And we haven't gotten that version of Bullseye yet. Not even close in my opinion. Exactly. So there's an opportunity where you could make Bullseye like a loose rogue like he's not a loose film but like a villain who's just acting on his own agency.

And we have time now with the show and we can make Bullseye the big villain of season two. Yeah. And I think that's a really good potential because we haven't really had that. He became bullseye at the end of season three and then this season four slash one it was like hired gun, good shooter. Yeah, yeah.

And, like, we, I mean, those cool moments, I'm not downplaying what Wilson Bethel did or, like, you know, the tooth and all that stuff, but I think he can become bullseye. You know what it's fun reading the comic is that's in the comic. Yeah, directly.

Yeah, it's not that tooth. He takes something and he spits it out of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that you're getting the moments that I get watching the stuff. Like, it's really, like, it's not like it invalidates one of the other. It's just like a little bonus dopamine.

You're like, I've seen that. Like, they did it. Yeah, yeah. It's all just they did the thing. like it's like when you're driving a car and you see the same car that you have you're like he it's that it's awesome i think more people should read comics to have that little jazz i mean i think the marble the apps make it even more accessible not just like literally physically easier to access but it's approachable yeah way way easier to access and i think

they get people eventually in comic stores once people realize that there is like oh this isn't intimidating oh there's a whole store it's starting to i'm starting to get that feeling now of like oh i want to own the physical copy of it the way how you are with like a movie or show you fall in love with like i want to own the physical media of it now i like looking at my spines like i like seeing that that's mine i can read it whenever i want and there's something about holding it i like both but i like that on reread and i think it does help people get into comic stores for that first taste yeah absolutely so yeah i think the new suit's really cool and all and i like that it and i feel like it's a hint too that it will go darker and perhaps he's going to have to

do some deeds that are not as pleasant or not as super heroic yeah i'm i'm i'm excited for season two because they get to do the story they want to tell not piece together a story from pieces you know so often we do this stuff and i'm still like uh i don't think we did because like a lot of the questions open up the door where we're answering a lot of other things that i've been coming in here you know did you want to talk about fantastic four before we yeah let's talk about fantastic four but just making sure hit all the main where would you rank this in terms of the shows oh that's 20 i'm actually yeah yeah is tim tim tim ue v e says is this the best MCU show. What would you rank this in terms of the MCU shows? Disney Plus specifically.

Yeah, because I actually want to do a full video of this explaining because I was thinking about like I want to have the long form experience of thinking this out, but off the dome right now, it might change. Loki, Wanda Vision, X-Men 97, Darendelborn again. You're a friendly neighbor of Spider-Man. I think I'm a top five. I think we have the XX. I don't even know if it's like unpopular to have that ranking. I feel like it's a comfortable. ranking for me yeah it used to be Wanda vision at the top for me but Loki season two edge it out I made the benefit loki loki has way more episodes to I think loki season two is comfortably above everything like there's a there's a gap between loki season two and the rest

for me loki season two is like mind blowing yeah it's perfect too yeah yeah so and the Wanda vision's exceptional but then the end is not quite what I wanted um the last episode of Wanda vision dropped it a little bit for me yeah ship of theseus turns punchy punchy punchy. Although, no, I would put your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man above Daredevil personally. Yeah. That's the one I would switch. Okay. Yeah. So X-Men, so you go Loki, Wanda, X-Men, Spider-Man, Spider-Man. Daredevil. Yeah, I think, yeah, I would put that there. I might, I mean, I need to process, because I, those are the two of the top five that don't feel solid. I feel like my top three is locked. Mm-hmm. But then four and five, I'm like, hmm. I mean, your

friendly neighborhood Spider-Man just kept getting better and better and better and better. Whereas Daredevil was like, this is like a weird. This is like a weird. wobbly hospital line here you know i think the highs of daredevil are a little higher for me but i think they're this like of of one five eight and nine i think those highs are so high but then now that i'm thinking about it i think the highs of your friendly neighbor and spider man are almost that high but the lows never dip as low do you know what i mean like so the overall average on an equalizer your friendly neighborhood might be you might have just convinced me without having to say anything But yeah, those two are dancing, four and five.

Well, all right then. Thank you for guys for the questions. We unpacked a lot more than I expected to. We probably spent like 15 minutes here, 15 and 20 minutes on Fantastic Four. So this was interesting because I texted quite right when I read it because I don't remember when it was, but I think it was like our second video we ever did at this. You had mentioned what your fear was about what they'll do with Johnny Storm of how they'll shy away from. the quote unquote toxic masculinity sides of Johnny Storm because all masculinity is like bad in a lot of ways in the way we talk about it now and it's like it's so black and white and you had such a great explanation of why you think Disney would a shy away from it and we were going back and forth about like that's part of the arc to Johnny Storm can't have growth like if you start outgrown yes yes exactly and then Joseph Quinn said something that I was like oh can it be coy on the money was coy right on the money and i text you back man i'm glad i have time to

process this so to to reiterate the quote he said josecuin as human torch said he's a man that leads with a lot of bravado which can be an affront sometimes but also he's funny myself in marvel studios boss kevin by you were speaking about previous iterations of him and where we are culturally he was branded as this womanizing devil may care guy but is that sexy the days. I don't think so. This version of Johnny is less callous with other, how do you pronounce that? Calis? Calas with other people's feelings. And hopefully there's a self-awareness about what's driving that attention-seeking behavior. So I think not, I'm not sure all of this was like the main thing there. So it sounds like a more nuanced approach, but it still sounds like

they're going to shy away from one of the key ingredients that makes Johnny Storm, Johnny Storm. How do you feel. This sounds like a fantastic for three or four Johnny Storm. This sounds like where Johnny's, because Johnny Storm is very, very on his surface, one thing. And then so clearly not that to the people that know him. If he's like that to people that don't know him, then there's no depth. Like, you don't get the chance to have that variety of experience. The thing about Johnny Storm, that's interesting is that he is both a braggadocious movie star that is able to be like, ah, ladies. And then a nerd that would choose that Peter Parker as his best friend. if he's just a guy that's in touch

with his feelings and is very soft and has figured everything else out then there's no interestingness to him being friends with Peter Parker there's no bravado to tone down he's a hot head human torch when characters were written in the 60s

they were written as a very linear like you know Peter Parker Clark Kent like things were very clear like the names were alliterative and their powers were tied to their personalities like that's what what I love about what superheroes have become

is that they started simple and then as we've grown societally we've added depth to characters to make their simpleness interesting. This undermines that in such a large scale having not seen the movie having only heard this quote

I think there's an importance to the character that is having the Michael B. Jordan take that is having the Chris Evans take. This is a role that I would have cast Zach Ephron for. This is a role that I would cast someone that is going to exude a thing, but actually have the depth underneath that gets uncovered. It needs to be uncovered. He's not a hothead if he's going to therapy. I think he needs to be going to therapy in secret and private and then develop and grow. But if we start there, that's not Johnny Storm.

And I'm worried. Like this is the first quote where I was like, okay, I'm not going to make a bunch of thumbnails, the crying emojis on them because I have respect for myself and others, but this sure does seem like a take that I'm going to share with people that I hate. There's sort of, in the images that they're showing, too, I'm going to be, like, I like the trailer, I do, and one, and I've been reading Fantastic Four Comics, and it's been, it's been fun journey, an interesting journey, needless to say. They're weird, man. They're weird.

They're not as easy, like, it's not as palatable. No, it takes my brain a little bit of, like, get in the zone to get into it yeah and um like the thing is definitely like my favorite person to be reading of them all um but the thing that i said this and did not go over well with a lot of people when i said it but even with the images they've released i'm getting so much stoicism from them which is not which is not fantastic for to me i also i think it's really important as a broie straight white dude to have people on screen that represent you that you see their evolution so that you can grow as a straight broie white dude if we strip all of that

archetype we talk about representation a lot culturally and i think it's insanely important and that's why i'm never mad when a character that you know if it doesn't matter to their character if we suddenly change races or sexualities and stuff and enhances the character and allows other people to be more seen, I think that's only a net benefit because when these characters were written, they were written blandly white and straight and whatnot. We've evolved and we need to have people be represented.

But if we get rid of all of one archetype, that also is closing the door and those people feeling seen and those are the people that are getting corrupted by hate and the societal shift towards people not feeling seen is causing more, and I hate the word insal to this use because I think it invalidates a lot of people and I don't want that to be what this sounds like.

But there are people that feel lost and angry and like they don't have somewhere to turn that are now going to have one less character that grows out of that. And that's why I've always loved Johnny is that he grows up and I always felt like a Johnny storm. I always felt like a kid that had a temper that thought he was cool, that wanted to be a movie star

that drove a nice car that was like, yeah, please notice me. I'm trying to be flashy. But inside was like, I gotta figure this out, what's going on? Yeah. And if they don't have that outside bravado that he talks about in the opening of that quote,

there's an entire new generation of kids that will not have that because we're changing so many of these characters out of fear of this thing. I think like when you go to those fantastic four movies, the originals, which I know are not beloved, there's been fans that have come around for it. There's one constant.

Chris Evans is so good. Chris Evans. Chris Evans is the best part of those movies Yes, he's funny and all that But he's also got the best arc He's got the best treatment of character Both those movies Yeah

It's like dude don't take the wrong lessons man I honestly feel like The way society is going with Pushing an entire Community out of Feeling like they can grow And they can make mistakes And they can learn

Is why we get so much vitriol towards stand-up comedian should not be our poets all the time it should also be poets but I feel like people don't feel comfortable saying I'm a poet

they feel like they have to say they're blank like there's no acceptance in culture right now and I feel like that also holds true for jocks like I feel like there's a culture of people that are like I want to work out and I like cars and I like UFC and I like

I'm from Boston I love UFC and I have all this stuff and a lot of my friends I can tell they're like, you're the one we're going to let in. I've got judgmental-ass LA friends that are like, well, we let Koi in because he still talks about art. But I still feel like that weird leper

that is like the bro-y version and there aren't as many things on TV of me to grow and to see that. I'm glad I grew up when I did because I got to see characters evolve out of a certain ignorance. If you don't let the character start as ignorant, how do you identify with the growth?

I think it's really detrimental. And I think that's how we get, the political divide and I think that's how we get certain people coming into power with their voices on the internet. I think that's how we get a lot of commentators like we worry about getting more power because they're going to get the people that feel lost and they feel like they don't feel seen. I think I think it's detrimental. I think it's and pop culture is culture and culture affects real life and that is a cascading effect. Yeah a lot of times you learn a lot when you break down the words right like pop culture like what you just did right there yeah like break

down what that means and we're so dismissive about a lot of language now and language is so important so i appreciate you saying all that um and the sue storm side has been uh this was the one i heard like oh great get ready for the predictable titles and thumbnails now dismissive of all context um okay so there's two main ones the main ones the main one here's the main one i believe um that's kirby said if you played an exact 60s suit today everyone would think she's a bit of a dormant so figuring out how to capture the essence of what she represented to each generation where the gender politics were different right when she said that it was like here we go and embody that today was one of the greatest joys of this uh i mean she also talked about

other stuff like i've always been really interested in the mess of femininity and how you can be both how can you be all the things not just a tough invincible powerful woman but also a mother who gives birth which is itself a superhero act i love that these characters are real humans in a messy family who argue and try to work it out and get things wrong i feel like everything she's saying is right those quotes i love i don't know those yeah i sound like the character those sound a lot like the character and yeah i started off with like everyone's saying jack kirby i want to read the originals and i read like the first 10 issues and that was a rough read honestly another time it's very one dimensional

like i said revolved yeah and and especially like how many times the sue gonna get fucking kidnapped and that's what she's speaking to exactly yeah she so when you say like the doorbat side like yeah sometimes she's sort of essential but so much of the time she's like got a same do we'll dig will kidnap her um man the more's going to live with her and we'll kidnap her like that's her purpose there and she's had an evolution now where she has more

agency she has more strength and the fact that they're acknowledging that and i love the nuance as well of talking about see what they said this is this is the ironic part we're talking about johnny storm and losing side of like the the whole nuance of like here's the bravado and the and the image he puts up and exerts versus what's going on underneath having both sides of masculinity there yeah And she's talking about both sides of femininity here of where you can have both being a strong woman who has her own, who can lead to have her own agency. But it can also be a loving, tender mother and a supportive wife, like show those qualities. Not just relegated to one thing, but be all the facets. Yeah.

That's beautiful. And that's not something that we need to slap the word woke on. Right. Like, I mean, be aware. That's great. But what the fuck? This is like humanity. But the two words together, when you pair the word.

the word gender and politics. He's to gender politics. Suddenly it's like, God damn, is the intervertsingling? No, I'm like, she's speaking to a truth here. She really is. And we're only saying that because we're two men talking about women. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've got to make sure that the internet knows we love women and that we respect them and that they are strong. No, I do think that this is an important part of Sue Storm, especially as she's evolved. And I think we're talking about, why we're talking about this to, just to clarify, especially with the Johnny Storm stuff, is we constantly look at what the intention. is and so the concern and the eyebrow raise happens when you're hearing the intention of johnny storm

is 2025 sexies being soft that's i just i i think i know the fact that he's that's the part of the line that's like the funniest to me right is like is that sexy to i don't i don't know how he said it but i just hear yeah but that's how i hear it though like is that sexy not so much wink you know It also feels like I think there is a place for Harry Stiles sexy, but it's not Johnny Storm. Yeah. Like I think that Harry Stiles is so attractive because he's so sensitive and aware and is such a passionate person that listens to everyone. And I think that he is someone I think should be a hero to others. And I love him as an icon.

That's not Johnny Storm. This sounds like they're trying to conflate those two. Yeah. And when you fundamentally change the character, that's when I go like, well, then that's not the character. And when you've got a fantastic family, you've got Marvel's first family, if a fourth of it is fundamentally changed, that makes me worry we're going to get a 75% grade, which is a C. I don't want to see. I want to experience Marvel's first family. And I think masculinity is a very different conversation than femininity right now. So I'm actually in an interesting moment in my head in real time, I'm experiencing this, where I feel like what Sue is saying is exactly what women are needing a voice to be told. I think that mothers, are superheroes. I think that's an amazing quote. I think that gender politics have evolved over time

and it should be addressed to the character that's lasted 60 years. I think that's an amazing quote. I think all of this as a man though, I can't know. But however, as a man, I also think there's a reason that I look to people like John Bernthal

who is having conversations about masculinity and is aware that everyone thinks that word is this where. There are people like Tom Hardy who are dealing with the fact that he's navigating this world where people that look like him and act and gruff and stuff

are judged differently. There need to be people for people like me and need to be people for people like her. If we get rid of an entire swath with a quote like that I don't know who that's for. No, that's when you're here like that's when the whole pandering thing comes up.

Yeah. That's when that's when I agree with that. This does feel like you're not doing the character. No, and I'm not a fan of the, I'm not a fan of the, a lot of the images I'm seeing of it. Like, because it is so stove is

like the stove that's the only word that's the only word I have for it yeah is it is and Kirby is like it's fun it's adventurous it's swashbuckling it's your first family you have to represent the chemistry in some way and I'm like yeah I saw the trailer footage and it looked cool

I didn't really get a hint of the real chemistry we'll wait for the second trailer wait for the actual movie at the end of the day quotes trailers none of that will matter it'll be when I sit down and go two hours you wipe it away and you take in the movie that's all but i can't acknowledge i'm more not i'm more excited for thunderbolts right now than

that ironically huh right yeah that and that's all i'm saying like just as of marketing right right now i think thunderbolts is going to have more to say yeah i mean that that found family vibe looks more family right now than the family that's a family yeah right right right and like i don't think stoic i i think your word is apt that's what i'm feeling a disconnect from that does not feel like the characters to me yeah it's very like it's like well they're care of it I don't think Zach Snyder approach for Fantastic 4 in their performance is the way to go. Like in the spacesuit images and stuff of them. I could just be the photography of like them posing for it, but I don't know.

It feels 60s Disney. It feels like they're trying to do the Walt Disney thing with Reed. That's what it feels like. And it's also there might be something I'm missing. There's Beatles iconography in their first trailer where like the Fab 5 and like there are, sorry, Fab 4. A Fantastic 4. Oh, that makes sense now. No, but I feel like there is iconography that they're paralleling.

Yeah. But the tone doesn't feel like how I perceive the character. And as I always say, like, that might be how someone interprets it, clearly like Matt Schackman and Kevin and the actors and stuff. But that doesn't make me connect to how I perceive them. I think you've got to go super lighthearted fare because we're about to get a lot of darkness. You know, you're going to get Dr. Doom in there and you've got Galactus in there. We're going to get some heavy darkness.

And in order for that darkness to really be felt, you've got to like watch light get destroyed. Right. And the way to do that is do it with the Marvel's first family. family man anyway yeah so excited for just that one set of quotes i was like oh boy yeah yeah i i don't know what it is it's like they're going for like i don't i'm not sure what they're going for well that's the thing is like i'm kind of confused on the direction now i am i am confused on what they're actually attempting here yeah and i'm wondering like what they think the character is as opposed to how i think the character is or if they're just starting you know in the in the third

act of his evolution which also doesn't work for you know this early in his story we're just meeting him that's fair that's fair um but yeah thank you guys thanks boy i know we went a little bit longer than usual we had a lot more to impact than we thought it's gonna be a very straightforward day well here's the one thing we'll talk about 82 things let's talk about like a lot of vontifications about life that's what this show is it happens man it happens how you guys do a patriots all right so we put out some questions last time and uh there were so many and we did it i really went through like three three so let me just choose some like random ones here I haven't actually previewed them yet.

Oh, I'd like to answer this one. Alex Lowe says, what was it like to, it's going to be fun. Okay, I love how I'm asking a question. Let me do a different question because this one I'll be talking quite a bit on. Let me ask a question so I can talk and just listen the whole time. Let me find a different one here. What was it like to get the gig with Dead Meat and will we see more Dead Meat collabs? I've been following you guys since 2016, then Dead Meat in 2017.

and it's been a dream that you collab one day. So Dead Meat James is one of the most impressive YouTube personalities you'll ever meet. When John and I went to Mexico to do an event for the Nunn, for Warner Brothers. And this was at a period during the channel when it was barely, like barely making rent. It was really paycheck to paycheck times, real, like, survivor time. And so the trajectory of the YouTube journey was like, wasn't making money the first couple of years. And suddenly we're making more than we've ever made. And then suddenly we're barely making any money.

And it was certainly a fraught period with a lot of very little passion. Cut to Mexico, Dead Meade James. First year he's doing YouTube already passed a million followers. Wow. What his content is is it's pitched as kill count. So it's like Eddie Fred of the 13th movie, all these horror movies. You mentioned them before to me. Yeah.

I know this. Yeah, yeah. So the bet, but it's not solely he's counting kills. It's a full commentary breakdown while counting kills along the way. and it's a lot of editing, a lot of writing. It's a lot of work, a lot of respectable work. And met him, and he had so much passion, him and his now wife, Chelsea, and meeting him reinvigorated my passion for, like, this past few months has been a lot about

rediscovering the why behind doing this. And that's what we keep talking with everyone about. And I lost sight of that. And I sometimes, it happens at ebbs and flows. You lose side of it. You get caught up in business, semantics and whatever. And Dead Meat was his name is James. And the first time I met James, it was really eye-opening.

And I've told him this. Like, it was really inspiring, meeting him. And I'm intimidated by him. You know, he's got like 7 million followers now. He's huge. It's easy to compare yourself in this game. And they would do two completely different things. But the amount of respect that I have for him is through the roof.

And it is like something where, I don't know if you ever have this, where you automatically get around someone and it's really, in any dynamic, someone tends to be like alpha, but sometimes you let the feeling of that person being alpha kind of overpower you, even if they're not trying to be alpha. You know what I mean? You've encountered celebrities, you know, it's like, yeah. Tom Hardy's hard to hear him. A man is a bulldog. He's a human being.

Delightful fellow, but I'm like, that's Tom, Mark. And every time I interact with James, I never, and I speak on that because I don't want to feel that way with him or really with anybody. But I have noticed that the subconscious thing. kick in no matter how much better I do in life I do get that thing where I'm like unless then you're so much more and that person's not doing anything they're sitting on a couch and you're remotely no not at all and also in this space where you know Olivia she doesn't really um you know bond with a lot of people here her and james got along so well we had a wrestling there was a wrestling event and james provided like 50 people over i don't know jack about wrestling 90% of the people

did not. He spent most of the time in front of everyone. Explaining. Talking with her because she gets down with wrestling. And I was like, this is so cool. He gets a long better with her than me. This is about me affected by him again. This was years ago. So I've changed

a lot as a person, but yeah, there's this dead meat awards coming up. And I was actively like, yeah, I'd love to participate. I got back into writing because of him. Even though, like, it was a thing where at that time there were so many excuses. This was the time of adpocalypse. This was the time where the yellow dollar bill signs were being introduced. This is when income was shooting down and

had no idea what to do. You know, this is we were doing very much short form content and trying a bunch of shit out that wasn't working. And he didn't know about any of that. He just did his thing. He was, he literally had no awareness. And it was a reminder to me that if you think less about money and you focus more on producing something really good, a true purpose, money will naturally come. And that was one of the biggest lessons and reminders and to see something so genuine and sincere. And he still, anytime I bump into him, he still has that same level of humbleness to him. Like he does not an ounce of inflated ego when he could very well be. But yeah, I think he's a very humble guy. And he's very inspiring to me.

So, yeah, Demmeet James and Chelsea, too. Like, they're an inspiring couple and they're amazing people. So I'm really happy to, really happy to, like, know them. I'd like to be closer with them. But I need to be more successful first. Yeah, you have to get there. It seems to me here about $6 million away from that, Greg. They sound delightful.

I don't know. And I'm sure he's got to love hearing that you're only $6 million away from being worthy of sitting up around. This is what the podcast is about being on it. Let me ask a question where Koi can talk the whole time. Let me find something here. um we did add that question in here you didn't see legion did you legion of oh i've seen some of it legion of guts legion of ungentlemanly warfare is what i thought

oh by the way the new uh apple movie from guy richie we got to cover oh dude yes oh god i saw and mobland the tom hardy is it good i haven't seen it's on paramount plus who has paramount plus i don't i have paramount let's watch it i definitely have marlain let's watch it's a good shit on paramopolis is there yeah i mean i mean nothing really exclusively to Paramount Plus. Except Mabla. That's why they're relying heavily on their Dexter universe. And top of Bruce Loyal.

This one show. There's one world. A prequel. A comeback from the dead sequel times two. I should have, okay. Let me find something here. Let me just take a little breather.

It's a league of an, we're not Legion of. Let me, okay, Heather Gears asking, what fictional character for, wait, I think we asked us last week.

Damn it. No, did we? John, did we ask this last week? What fictional character from a movie or show have you related to and why?

I don't think we asked that, I don't think so. No, it's new to me. Heather Geer says, what fictional character from a movie or show have you most related to and why? I want to speed through three

because there are different parts of me. I talked briefly about this on our first sit down in this very room, but a combination of William Thatcher from a night stale because I love the idea of changing your stars and the aspirational nature of not being what you were born into.

Like you are controlling your own destiny in every sense of the way, but that not being like an egotistical. it's so many rags or riches stories are a fine line between like scarface but i find like the most wholesome one is william thatcher into sir ulric on lichtenstein back into william thatcher so a knight's tale speaks to me to this day and i try to think of myself as someone that is worthy of um changing my stars without thinking i deserve it but knowing i deserve it and that being a key difference and then um harry from uh kiss kiss bang bang i always feel like i'm someone that doesn't quite

belong anywhere and I and I down he's down he's character yeah I always feel like I have to like use comedy as kind of a distancing people but also hoping that that makes them like me so like it's that thing where Deadpool uses it as a way to like hide his insecurity and harry uses it a way to hide his insecurity but he's also like hoping as a hook so like I I've always kind of identified with someone that's like I don't really know what I'm doing here but I hope you like me in the room and that that that character really embodies that to me that snark and that sensibility has always spoken to like how I hope I'm perceived. And then finally Brody from Allrats is what I think of my brain sounding like, but hopefully not as aggressive. I remember the first time or one of the

first times Kevin Smith and I actually spoke at length. I kept saying like, man and like Brody's like who I want to be and like that's how I feel like I am and all this stuff. And then after this whole long talk, he kept being like, he's kind of a dick. You don't want to be. And I was like, you're right. And for some reason growing up and he was the only character that spoke. like I did about these characters I love, I didn't see all the negatives because I was so idolizing of this character that I didn't see the flaws. I just saw like, but there's another. And then you zoom out and you're like, he treated his girlfriend horribly. He was a good friend. Like he was going to the mall every day. But I wanted to be like him so bad that it was

actually, it was really cool to have the creator of that character going like, maybe zoom out a little bit. And like, that's been really interesting to me because it also gave me perspective on a character that I thought I was like, but actually wasn't except for one facet. So it's all three of those. I want to be more like William Thatcher every day. I think I use Harry's comedy as a defense mechanism. And I think I'm like Brody, but I'm trying not to be. I really get what you mean on the comedy. That's been a big factor. Like from doing, you know, like the Tyler Perry reaction experience that we had, the Agatha experience. Like you had a very, you had a very magnified one in terms of how you were feeling about the show. But then there was the other camp of so much mystery

science theater type of approach to it and it was an interesting thing because when we started doing real rejects you know john and i were so focused on comedy and that's where we come from we did like improv every saturday we were we were we were a huge like actual performing improv and to me i relied so much on comedy and now we're at this stage where we have to be more about authenticity and sincerity and it's like it's not like we were doing comedy thinking we were being insincere and a lot of times that we weren't but knowing the line of when you're you you are using it as insincerity, when you are using it as a defense mechanism versus a humor actually coming from a genuine place. And it did stand out to me in comments of like, yeah,

perhaps we are like not leading enough with our heart. So it's the balance is not there. So it's not like shove away the comedy. It's knowing when to express the comedy. That's what I mean. Where are the comedy is coming from? Yeah, versus like trying to be funny. Yeah. And that's when you kind of do get in a trap, I think, or particularly me. So I actually get what you mean by that. Yeah, those three hit me. Do you have a movie character that stands out to you? A movie character?

Ooh, it's like TV is the easy one for me. A movie can go Chandler Bing and someone. Dexter, honestly. Oh, that's right we talked about this. Dexter and Chandler, that's right. But yeah, movie, mix it up. A movie character where I relate the most with, it sounds strange. And I talked about a little bit with Roxy was the, like, I don't, I'm not like him, but I, there was, there was a time where the time I would see myself the most in people was when they were someone who was quote unquote empty. It's kind of weird, the emotion of empty because it sounds like oxymoronic, right? Like, how can you be empty?

Sure. How is that, how is that an emotion when it's saying there's nothing? And that's when Ryan Gosling in drive was something I, I felt like I really understood a character. beyond the visual aesthetic appeal that other people were really drawn to. I was drawn to, like, the guy who's empty on the inside, who has a massive rage problem boiling within who needs to let the monster out. And that usually comes out in the form of love and passion. And that's what the elevator heads. And so to me, when everyone's talking about, like, the music, the directing, the cinematography, all things I loved.

That was when I fell in love with Ryan Gosling, was that. So they're kind of like my Ryan Gosling marathon of things. Because he's also, I didn't get to his comedy until much later. He's also like, so there's something about like the Ryan Gosling personality. Maybe not as much now, honestly, like who he is from like Barbie and, and, what's the guy? Oh, yeah, yeah. That's so funny because I identify with him more now. Yeah, I completely, I was going to say, if I was going to pick a Gosling, Barbie is, is, I've always loved Ryan Gosling.

He's one of my favorite actors of all time. And his interviews, I think, are better than 95% of people's. Like, he's so charming. Barbie as a character, the character of Ken was the first time I was like, oh, I feel so seen. Like, Barbie is, I think, like, the modern fight club. And Tyler Durden is what I wanted to be when I grew up so bad until I realized he was the antagonist. And Ken realizes the antagonism of that in real time.

So Ken gets the arc of Tyler Durden and Jack in one movie. Actually, I completely forgot about all that. I just thought of like, he's stupid. now that I'm thinking about like oh yeah the very like I forgot about the movie part honestly I did like the very influenced impressionable like I'm someone who can't get influence easily which is a good thing when absorbing positive things but to be on I have to be so on guard yeah out repressing so it's such a I'm constantly in war with myself I think Ken is so really actually he wants to be like so bad he's trying to find his way through the world he

wants to find like what his mission is and he's looking for others to tell him and he like wants he loves barbie for the sake of trying to find himself and like i i co i like barbie ken gets me i get ken what was the what the hell's the russo brother's movie called the gray man god damn that's what it's called yeah i don't connect with like that version of rang gossip like like fall fall guy he's just so goddamn cool he's so cool and that's what i want it but i can't accept that as a reality but like the movies and like uh large the real girl i'm like i kind of weird like i never had like a doll that i bonded with but no judgments there was a there's a decided me that connects more with that and like I could build a house for a girl I'm not

notebook Ryan Gosling I love girls but I mean I love my fiance I don't think I could build a house for 20 years that's ridiculous insanity but beautiful but a whole I think that's what I'm trying to say is that I it's not that I connect with Ryan Gosselin it's like the roles he's chosen I've never connected more with it with actors roles as consistently that I get is what I'm trying to get at you yeah that's Colin Farrell and Tom Hardy for me which is why I love the idea of like talking actors as their arcs because it's so specific yeah and like blue valentine i connected with so painfully god ryan gossing and blue valentine

yeah things like that for sure or even like the nice guys i could oh the nice guys the nice guys the nice guys another one i love that one so much he's incredible his career is like he really picks by his moment in time and i feel like he puts us all into that experience of who he is in the moment like right now not wanting to do dark stuff so he can show his kids it's such a dad core thing but he's doing awesome versions of like the levity he wants to to bring to his home. He manages to be like a perfect line of he is so cool. Like I my like emptiness and depression and swag is not cool. He's really cool. He can brood. But yet he he still yeah he can brood. I can't brood. I lurk. At the same time he doesn't create a disconnect with audiences or

men like somehow you still see yourself in him yeah in spite of like but when he does it it's awesome you know what i do it i'm just sad i'm just embarrassed but he doesn't that's laudable that's a commendable that's bad she does it with a six back going through we haven't even talked about crazy stupid love one of the coolest anyone's ever been like he's he's cool the character and then finds love and then goes like you know it's even cooler than cool be a nice cold it's impossible amen amen right now that's the end of our video yep hope you enjoyed this gossiping hour thank you guys be sure to subscribe leave a like and we'll see you back in these chairs next week. Peace out guys.