Meeting W/ Adam Hlavac From HEROES REFORGED!! Reaction Channels Collide!
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01:26Neutral.What's up, homies?Welcome to another episode of Diary of a Real Reject.That sounds familiar.I am here today with a gentleman.Questionable.Gentlemen, gentlemen is questionable.It was dawning on me on the car ride over here.
01:49On all the years we have seen each other in passing, because we've never hung out.I think we've had one phone call together to talk about YouTube stuff.We've texted.and the entire time I was on the right, like,what are we going to talk about?Then I realized we have never had like a personal conversation.It's generally been surface.We've done one podcast episode together in years ago.
02:16Years ago.When I was like a totally different human being.Literally.Totally different human being.Yeah.But that's the only time.Yeah.And it wasn't like it was just talking movies.
02:25Like that's all we've done is off camera and on camera.other talk about YouTube or we're talking about movies but we have I'm like but there's so much Idon't know about Adam I did a generalization of your name again so Adam is uh one of a triofor the YouTube channel Heroes Reforged an amazing reaction channel and you guys are getting a lotof love thanks a lot of jealous love on my end oh really simering Dan Tractenberg interviewuh Simon Pegg shouting you guys out that was crazyThat was nuts.Ah, damn you.
03:02No, congratulations.It's really cool.It's well deserved.You, Hector, Augustine?Augustine.God dang it!Halavik?Yep.
03:11We'll go with that.Havlack.Havik.This is how little I know about you?It's okay.No, trust me.I have friends that I've been friends with for like 20 years and they're still likeChalavik, and I'm like, sure,
03:25Havik.Mark Ellis has ruined my name in every schmodeown.So any schmodeon you watch and I'm on it, it's always wrong.That's right.We still love them.We even cross paths into schmodown back then.Yeah.Well, look, I want to get to know you on a more personal level.
03:41And of course, we're going to monetize this personal conversation.Of course.And everything we do.I thought, let's do something different.I want to start off with like, it's called them survey questions.Okay.All right.So first, let's get a couple generals.
03:56out of the way.The general's like,is this like going to a theaterearly to do a survey on a movieand I get a gift card at the end?Is that what's happening here?Exactly, you know what you signed up for.Where were you born?
04:07What city?San Diego, born and raised.And you're still there?Well, I was there up until I was in my early 20sand then I was here from thenuntil about two and a half years ago.Okay.And I'm back there now.
04:21So San Diego, what's her ethnicity?I'm CzechWould not have guessed thatMm-hmmOkayWhat would you have guessI would have just guessedLatino based off of the crew
04:32From Heroes Reforor something like that must beA true of Latinosover hereYeahWe're technically the CzechsicansI'm CzechThey're Mexican
04:40So Augustine justMerged it togetherAnd we became CzechsikensChexicansYeahWe even had a secondchannel for a little bitcalled Chexikins
04:48But because no onecan spell itWe changed itOkayOkayAll rightNow, I want to get to know you on this level here when it comes to your relationship with movies and shows, because when I'm on X, formerly known as Twitter, I love seeing everything that you talk about because you are clearly a cinephile and especially for the technical aspects. I feel like when it comes to the love for IMAX, we have a similar shared kinship when it comes to that. But where did that stem from this love for movies? Was it an isolated experience growing up or was it something with your family that you had? How big is your family? You haveother sisters? I have one brother, but my family's really, really close, so I always lived within
05:29a mile, mile, a half of my aunt, uncle cousins, and grandparents. Gotcha. So we always did stufftogether. So it's really a family, my mom, my brother, and I, but really it's like all 12 of us or 10of us, or however many there are now. Dad wasn't around? No. Gotcha. No. Did you watch movies withyour mom growing up? The whole family, yeah. We always watched movies together. They had, I think,like two or three drawers of VHS tapeswhere they recorded a ton of stufffrom like 80s and 90syou know St. Elmo's Fire,
05:59back to the future,Batman, all that stuff.So we would watch that all the timeand then we used to go to the movies a lotespecially once I was old enoughpretty much old enoughto go watch PG-13 stufflike by the age of 10
06:11we were going to the movies a lotall the time and it was great.I loved it.That's amazing.Yeah.Was the financial status of your householdWas it not low income, medium income?It varied a lot.
06:25It would kind of depend.It was usually, I would say usually in the middle, middle, lower class.But it would go like this.It would depend on like, you know, whether my mom had a great job or she would lose her job.You know, just no different than how it is now, I feel like, in a lot of ways.I see.So if we couldn't afford to go to the movies, we watched a lot of movies at home.and if for whatever reason we could go, we would go.
06:52And, you know, I would imagine, I don't know, tickets were like $3, $4 back then.Much cheaper.Much cheaper.And I think even if we were making less money, it was still a cheaper thing to go dothan like, I don't know, a concert or something.Yeah, yeah.I would say the same for us.Like we didn't really travel or go out.
07:11We went to Denny's all the time.Yeah.Like Denny's was like the cheapest restaurant we'd go to and I love,I still have like a love for Denny's in my heart.I'll never go away.Moons over my hammy, baby.Yeah, it's the best.Denny's and the movies were the thing because of how affordable they were.
07:28And do you know what like one of the first early movies that when you think about like what's a, let me, let me rephrases.What is a movie that when you watch it, you think about an experience with your family?Oh, that's a good question.um i would say the biggest ones there's a couple it's not just one coming to america is a big oneoh really yeah my grandpa loved eddie murphy so we would watch beverly hills cop and comingto america probably more times than i should have been allowed to watch at like 10 or 11 and i wouldrecite some of like the funnier lines or like i would do the barbershop scene and my grandpa wouldjust crack up he'd be dying so that was kind of like our interaction
08:13with movies. I was like a parrot when I was a kid. I could watch a movie two, three times and Icould recite whole scenes. Um, so that was part of the experience. My family would love to just watchmovies just to see like what kind of nonsense I would, would come out of my mouth while I watchthem. That's really interesting. Yeah. That strikes me as someone who would want to be like a performerthen growing up. Did you want to be a performer? I, I think I would have been. The problem is thatI was incredibly shy as a kid. Hmm. I had plenty of opportunities to do school.cool plays. And I was great. I went and I did an audition for a Pepsi commercial. I was reallygood at memorizing for whatever reason. Like I'm pretty, I don't know about now as I'm getting
08:53older. It's a little harder. But as a kid, I could, I used to recite, I used to know all theopening crawls for all six Star Wars. No shit. Yeah. Now I now I don't. But yeah, it wasnuts. I could be in the theater and as it was scroll through, I'd be ahead of it and I would knowthe whole thing. So I had a pretty good photographic memory and I think that helped when I would readscripts um but yeah i don't know i think i was just way too shy as a kid i hated doingpresentations in front of the class so when it came time to do youtube stuff that was a terrifyingthing to even consider and it took a long time to get past like now no joke i could do a hallh panel and i wouldn't it wouldn't even phase me but if that's impressed yeah but if i told
09:38eight-year-old me that i was going to do that one day he'd probably start crying in a cornerLike I was terrifiedDo you find like been doing YouTubeThat it has helped you be more of an expressive individualTotally 100%I still remember going to Comic-ConAnd this was maybe like20, 2013
09:55And I had not done YouTube yetBut I was watching other YouTubersAnd I'd go to meetupsI would get anxietyLike socially awkwardI would get ins-they would like see meAnd they'd start to come over to meI'm like oh God
10:07I have to interact with these peopleAnd it was people that like did AMC movie talkYou know, like Christian and all those guys.And I'm like, oh, my God, I don't know what to say.What do I do?Help me.My heart is racing out of my body.I'm going to die.
10:21And now I don't, I doesn't even, it's so weird.Doesn't even phase me.But, you know, it's also been 10 years that we've been doing this.So that also helps.I'm going to wait for this sound to go away.Wow.I don't understand.This has never happened before.
10:37I can't ask, who the fuck is washing their hands right now?I know.I know, right?It's a whole team of people there.This is, this is a really bad.I'm trying not to get frustrated.Let's leave this in the video.Let's leave it in the video.
10:50Let's leave me out if you need to.Let's leave that part in there because this, there's been so many technical problems since we got this space.It is a nonstop and is a part of the game.And this is the first time we're encountering this where the pipes are now bleeding into the microphone.And there's a whole bunch of people here.I can't like this.Can no one use the bathroom for like an hour?If you need to go, go.
11:11go in your car. I don't know to tell you.And this is, this is part of, sort of what we were talking about before we were filmingis, especially when you have like a camera point at you and this is like not a scriptedthing. Yeah.In this moment, I'm getting heated. I'm getting really, like, I'm getting really upset.And I'm also like, but I need to engage with Adam and I need to be like a professionalhere. And I don't want to like come across angry on camera. But, you know, because it's goingto ruin the moment. But this is like part of the combativeness because what you and I were talking
11:38about beforehand is how what a lot of people don't realize with the reaction channels,not a lot of them today that are new, but there it is again, who the hell?Who the damn you?Use wipes.I know.Use wet wipes.But back then, most people who would start reaction channels didn't hire editors.A lot of times, a lot of people still don't, but most of us had to learn how to edit
12:04in order to do it.Like a lot of the early most of YouTube, most of the time real recently existed, I was the main editor.And when we're filming like movie reactions or show reactions, a big part of us performing, I guess, is we're aware of the edit while we're doing it.Totally.So then it could like mess with when we have to be engaged or be feeling something when something's going wrong or you're aware of what someone else is doing or saying.And so when something like this is happening, it's, I'm like thinking about the edit.I think I've got to remind the sound people.I got to all these things.
12:36Time code this 12 minutes into my brain.Yeah, yeah, yeah.So what would you say?Let me just transition then to the reaction side.How have you been enjoying doing the reaction videos?It's a love.I wouldn't say it's a love-hate relationship.That's too exaggerated.
12:53But it definitely goes up and down.Like there's moments where I'm like,this is so fun.I love doing this.And I've definitely had moments where I'm like,is this my last week of doing YouTube?Am I sick and tired of this?Because it's exactly what you said, you know, a lot of times we're our own tech people, we're our own editors, and you'll set everything up, you'll put everything in focus, you'll hit record on the computer, and you start recording, and you realize you didn't hit record on the goddamn sound recorder.
13:20And you see the red light, and you're like, if I just go over there, we're leaving everything in the edit, baby.I just literally spill all this tea off here.Like, we're spilling the tea, literally and figuratively.I was like, he is, he's going.I'm going to take a little soup here right now.And this, the whole lid just came up.Oh, my God.This is the most chaotic.
13:44This is my favorite podcast I've ever done in my life.This is great.Just came out of the washer and dryer everything this morning.Please continue, Adam.We are going to get this on track no matter what.Oh, this is amazing.But yeah, you're sitting there and you're realizing,the red the button is red not green what do I do I slyly just go over and tap because now I'm
14:08going to distract everybody around me yeah and they're going to go oh are we not recording andthen it's going to kill the whole momentum or do you just let it go and you're like I'll figureit out I'll figure out how to use the audio from the camera clean it up somehow and then figureit out but and you find those moments where we're like okay now I'm good and everyone oh iseverything good you're like yep everything's fine and you just keep going but that's thebiggest thing is you have to be your own QCyour own editor, your own tech person.Sometimes that's exhausting.
14:35Yeah.Really exhaust.Especially when the setups get more complicated or it's like, hey, this week we'regoing to have six people in the studio for a podcast.Great.We have four inputs for our roadcaster or whatever, our sound recorder.How do we do this?Yeah.
14:48You know, it's like trouble.You're always troubleshooting all the time.Yeah, it was interesting.I had, I interviewed the cast of K-pop Demon Hunters and the lead actress, ArdenCho, who's like doing all this work and like movies and shows.She's like, people.I didn't say anything to her about itbecause she had her own YouTube channel
15:03and she was because like she'syou know a reallyfantastic actress who's working on these hugeprojects right now and she's likeno she was telling how likeshe doesn't want to commit to the YouTubeside because she's like people don't realize howdifficult it is
15:20and I understand like when you're looking atreaction video or even podcasting likethe ideas is supposed to lookthey call it effortless for a reasonbecause it's supposed to look like it takesno effort, which it can do with no effort. But then people are going to claim, it looks likecrap, it sounds terrible, I can't hear anything. It's like to get it to a point where everythinglooks and sounds clear. Yeah, it is effort. Yeah. And also the other side of what I was saying
15:48beforehand is professional feeler is what I was saying. Because I once heard of that as an actingterm you got to be a professional feeler and i kind of feel like that's what reaction videos at leastmy personal belief is a big core of why i love doing reaction videos is hey i feel more engaged in amovie these days more when i'm doing a reaction than when i'm at home sure because i'm not no distractionsyeah exactly it's like either the movie theater or doing a movie reaction or a show reactionbecause my observant eyes like I got nowhere I got I can't be anywhere else but in this thingSo it is like the movie and show is now my scene partner in a way and I'm feeling off and feeding off of thatAnd it does become this like expression exercise and the
16:41The question of like what is an authentic reaction is like such a bizarre thing to me because it's like some people want you to kind of just be likeNo we want it to be like there's a hidden camera in there and people don't know thatthat you're there, but I'm like, no, it's not that. I'm aware there's a camera here. And I'msharing an emotional experience, whether that be happy, joy, sad, angry, whatever. I don't know,I'm kind of just like going on a tangent in my own mind just to lead to this. What has been youremotional experience with the actual reaction videos itself? Have you found like worth or purpose atall in doing the actual reaction videos or are you just kind of producing content right now?No, I surprisingly, because it was, it was when we started doing it, it was just trailers for the longest time.
17:29We did trailers and then we did movie reviews.Truthfully, a lot of it came from because I watched you guys.I watched you and John do stuff.And I was like, oh, they're doing trailer reactions and those seem to be doing well.Like, we should try it out.And then we were like no TV shows.It's too much of commitment.I don't want to do 26 episodes of The Flash.
17:46I think I'll burn out.So, but eventually.once COVID happened, all that stuff, we started doing it.And I found a lot of joy in doing it, which really surprised me.Because I didn't think I would.I thought, ah, is this?Am I going to feel like I have to, like, hem this up?Right.
18:02Because I never, I've never engaged with my media like that.Because when you go to the theater, you're having a one-to-one relationship with whatyou're watching, and your reaction, you don't really pay attention to what your reactionis necessarily.If it makes you laugh, you laugh, but you don't pay attention at what level you're, you know.But it's different when you're on camera.and there's people around youand you're talking about what's happening
18:23and then someone says something funny in the movieand you all start laughingand like his laugh makes me laugh even moreso it's really, it's a very different experienceand I've definitely have enjoyed it quite a bitespecially when it's something that is really surprisingyou know like we watched the first episodeof Invincible Season 1
18:40and we were reading the comic book at the same timeand they moved some of the events aroundand when you get to the end of that first episodeand Omni Man just starts to likelike murder everyone yeah we were like oh my god they're doing this now and it was like the way it wasanimated and everything so i think it really just depends on your i think your environment has ahuge influence but it is also like what are you watching and is it something that you're reallyinto because i don't we tend to try to not watch things that we know out the gate will be like
19:11i don't think you're going to be into this as much as our audience is like please watch this i'mlike I it's it's either either it's like a genre that I'm not into or a style offilmmaking I'm not into sometimes it's a filmmaker but that's not usually the case but yeah Ifeel like nine times out of ten everything that we watch we're really engaged and I think ithelps that we're together watching it and we're not in the same room a lot of the time butwhen we are or when we're not at this point it hasn't really influenced our reactions in anegative way I don't think there's one thing I wanted toto talk with you about because we have teeter on this subject um in our passings uh i think i
19:51even brought it up when uh before the screening of fantastic four because you were like you broughtdrastic world yeah i was like oh no i'm i'm one of the people assigned when we were like gettingpopcorn yeah and i'm like i'm the one assigned reactor i can't watch it and i'm and i'm very i am veryparticular about like if it's going to be a movie reaction i have to skip it um and where as you've beengrowing in this game of the reaction stuff because I've seen it happen with you. I've talked tomedia nights about it where it's like, all right, we skipped Deadpool and Wolverine, but no moreMarvel, but then I see them still skipping the Marvel movies because it's like it becomes you'rehooked into it. And my personal opinion with me, it becomes conflicting because of course I love
20:34the theatrical experience. It's a big part of what's influenced me. But then sometimes I do have thatfeeling when I am watching, I'm like, I wish I was doing it.reaction so I could share this experience like it was weird like I love thunderboltsis probably one of my favorite Marvel movies and um to be able to do the reaction for it andgoing to this deep dive conversation I was so happy I did a reaction and didn't see it in thetheaters the first time but where are your feelings on this that's my quick opinion yeah I meanI don't even have a solid opinion I'm constantly in battle mode right but what is your feelingsabout it I was not in battle mode as much about it as I have
21:12have been in the last like three to six months because a lot of we will like for example wewatched Deadpool and Wolverine in the theater and then when it came out on streaming werewatched it and the audience was very torn about that they were like why are you doing this youalready saw it don't even bother I'm like oh so is my opinion no longer valid about the movieso then I started to think of like what if I just waited until it came out on VOD I strugglewith it so much because I love the theatrical experience so much.and like you mentioned at the very top of us talking,I'm a format guy.
21:48Like if something's available on IMAX 70 millimeter,I know how rare that is,and I know that's incredibly limited.So I want to go see it that way.I don't want to risk waitinguntil something comes out on VODto then try to find,oh, maybe they'll do a re-release in a year.
22:03I really want to experience it the first way,the way that it was kind of meant to be experienced.So something like the Odyssey,would that drive a lot?lot of viewership to a first time movie reaction, hell yeah, it would.If I waited all the way, because with Oppenheimer, I think we waited like eight monthsor something before it was on streaming, I don't know if I have it in me to wait because I justcare so much about the community experience of watching it together in a theater, which has
22:32gotten us thinking in the last couple of weeks of like, what if we rented a theater while themovie's out and recorded something in the theater?Maybe Real Rejects and Heroes are Forged.Who would let us do that?Jump in on this game because, of course, we've had the thought as well.Like, what is the version where this is accessible?You know, like, because it's like with the VOD side, just to sidetrack a little bit here.What I think reaction channels have contributed to, like, not just like us, I'm talking about reaction channels general who wait for the VOD specifically is that the VOD has a bad.
23:10rep often you know it's a lot of times it goes to VOD like so early because it's not doingwell in theater so it looks like second fiddle people like why would I pay for this I shouldjust wait on streaming so it's kind of this weird purgatory yeah where people don't really knowwhat to do but most reaction channels have a Patreon where you can do a full watch along and so manytimes people will tell us we bought this movie we rented this movie because we wanted to do thewatch along with you like I can't tell you how many times we see that comment andStudios, that is one of the ways they rely on a movie to gain.If they don't meet that threshold in the theaters,
23:48they're going to want to meet it on VOD in some way.And so to me, I'm like, oh, we are in our own way,like actually helping to contribute to the studio or the movie in a way.So I like that helpful side to it.But then again, there's that it is the experience sidewhere the conflict does rise within.Because, yeah, it's like, there's always an excuse.When I was doing this, when it was just me for most of it,
24:16where it was primarily just me.I don't think it was like a situation.It was only, only me, but it was primarily just me.You know, I'm self-concerted about my own bills and survival.And then whenever more people get brought on board, I'm like,then I'm super concerned about everyone else all the time.And the bigger this has gotten.And now that we have an offer, I'm so concerned about everyone.
24:34And making sure everything's going.So then I'm like, oh, but we need to definitely still keep this like VOD thing going.be anything going and everyone wants to see Odyssey and we're at a point with like I'm like am I going to be the one who has to skipOdyssey yeah right so yeah those are conversations we have too of like well if I don't go see it will you go see it or like because then the whole conversation also is like well what if we put a out of the theater reaction on YouTube is that like still worth doing is it not worth doing how because it's with us it's only three so it's like who's going to be who's going to be the guy who takes who takes the hit yeah and it's going to be the one to see it and westruggle with that literally every week every week we talk like are you gonna go see this movie okayshould i go see it should we wait till vod i think i'm i out of the three of us i'm the mostunwilling to budge i want to go to the theater to see it augustine is the one who's the most likei will wait i'll wait and watch it on the channel hector that's my john and andrew yeah hector
25:32is very much like depends on the movie if it's in 3d because you know we also love 3d 3d 3dBlu-rays are hard to get.They're also only in theaters for a set amount of time.So it's like, yeah, but if I don't see it in 3D in the first five days, I may never see it again.It may never get a release, you know, or we have to import it from Japan.It's going to take six months to get it or whatever.So, yeah, we struggle with that a lot.And I would like to do more of it.
25:59I think for me, it's really just going to come down to it just has to be movies that fly under the radar or I'm, I don't, I hate to say.but I don't feel as precious about seeing in the theater.I think what you mean.Yeah.Yeah.It's got me,like I just had a thought that I don't know if I've ever quite had this thought as you were talking is.I,
26:25when I was first doing this,essentially like in my ex-girlfriend's back house secretly,and then eventually,I'm like,it was called the one-bedroom apartment,but really it was a studio apartment with a wall.and doing it thereand you know not going to college
26:42or didn't have a high school diploma or anythingI'm I've made this channelI put it first before everything in my lifeis I made this is the firstthis is my real rejects is my babyyou know like I mean every time we've talked about ityou're always like God do for you know for the channelfor the channel I get it I get it still me
27:01and and uh that's with like the love hatewhen I hear I mean I'm talking about his love hate relationshipof a rap. That's what I'm like, I kind of get thatwith YouTube. It's like, oh, yeah, you know,it's best of my personal life. It's best for myrelationship at times. It's best with all that. And nowit's like, oh, this movie experience sidetoo, I'm like, oh, I really need to be
27:18better about understandingthat as well, because I do treasureit. And, you know, we try to make up for something. Like, forSuperman, I was like, okay, if I'm not going to do areaction to it, well, let's seethe out of theater, let's do the spoiler reviews, let's do the live show, let's doall the things that's like, you know,how else can we derive an experience
27:34out of this, that we're not going to do thereaction side to it. You guys are very good at doing that. You guys are really good at like taking onemovie and figuring out how to like take every experience out of it and put it out there for people,whether it's out of the theater or a theater review or doing a VOD reaction or whatever. We arehorrible at that. Really bad at that. I think though, as you guys as host though and as sincerecommunicators, I think you guys are like fucking awesome. There's a reason why Simon Pegg shattered youguys out of like billion people did trailer reactions yeah it was a reason that you guys specificallywere shout out yeah damn you to hell how do you feel like doing reaction videos has helped you learn
28:14about yourself hmm i think it's expanded my tastes a lot more okay i wasn't and i was notagainst animation but i wasn't as into animation this is crazy this is kind of common pleaseyeah yeah i feel like i feel like it's common for a lot of people and i definitely was not one ofthose, I definitely was not someone who thought that animation was exclusively for kids.Right.But, and I even, I even, I'm discovering this still, uh, I'm discovering thateven something as beautiful as CG animation, it doesn't, it doesn't really have as strongof an emotional impact on me than if it's like 2D animated or it's made to look like 2D
28:54animation.Sure.Which is, which is really interesting and weird.And I, I wonder if that's a part of the reason why I've also, for a big chunk ofof my life didn't embrace animation as much because I primarily grew up on horror and superheroes.But yeah, so, yeah, I don't know.I think the animation thing is very, very interesting.But I'm definitely loving it a lot more.
29:18Like we watched Gendi's movie Fixed.I have not laughed that hard in such a long time.But it is interesting that for a lot of people, animation is that one thing that they're kindof like, I'll get to it eventually.It's not something they fully like embrace immediately.I think I would actually meet you there on my, my relationship with animation.I've always liked animation movies, but I don't think my, the way I can talk about them nowand the way my soul just sort of gravitates towards it is very different after starting to do reaction videos.
29:54We're going to do reviews for it too.So that makes a lot of sense to me.Well, and I'm also lucky because Augustine and Hector went to anima.school.That's what they meant.So they could really speak the dialogue.So they really changed my perspective on animation.Because they started showing me stuff that's not like, because in my brain for a long
30:12time I think of animation, I thought Disney or Pixar or, you know, but then they startedexposing me to stuff.And then just through the people I started to meet over the last, you know, 15 yearsthat I lived in L.A., they introduced me to things, especially from animation from otherparts of the world.And then you really start to realize the potential of what animation can do.do on a storytelling level and you're like oh cool my problem was me i was setting up my own boundariesyeah and now that like i've been exposed to so much more stuff there's a lot of cool shit out there
30:42there's this weird subconscious thing that i think kicks in with people where they feel likethere's a disconnect because they're not human beings you're looking at yeah but um sometimes anexperience can feel more human depending on how good the animation is actually you know i still cryevery time i watch the iron giant and it gets the end and i'm like um whyit's great what movies are the ones that make you cry is there a what was there movies besidesour giant what movie is it that like every time you watch it you're bound to break a tear oh damnthat's a good question um sometimes not every time I watch it but every once in a whileI'll watch chef okay I love chef so much I feel like it's an underrated movie but there's just
31:29moments where Carl Casper and his son have like little moments that I don't know what it is aboutthem. I don't know if it's the way that they play them or the way that they're written or the wayit just feels so authentic that I'm like, why is this hitting me emotionally so much? Maybe it'ssome deep trauma in my life that I haven't resolved yet, but it there's just moments in that movieand I can't, I'm trying to think of like what other movies have really moved me emotionally.I feel like there's something that I watch the last six months, but I've watched so much stuff that I can'tThink of anything specific.Usually if there's an animal involved.
32:02Okay.Usually it'll get me like the Triceratops in Jurassic Park.Okay.I'm like, why am I so sad?Why, why am I emotional?What's happening to me?But I can't really think of anything that had like a huge significant impact on methat has stuck with me for like 30 years.
32:19Parental stuff gets you to cry?Sometimes.I mean, what was it about, what's it about Iron Giant that gets you?I think just the, I think because that movie is so, well, I think,I think part of it was also, I knew the backstory a little bit of like Brad Bird's reasoning for why he like made that movie and what happened to his, I think it was his sister who like died by gun violence and stuff. So I think I brought a lot of that emotion. But I think it's also just the way it's written so sweetly. And I'm a big Superman fan. So to have the Iron Giant kind of embrace what that character is at the end when he when he sacrifices himself. I don't know. It just like really moved me. It was really moving and emotionally. Yeah.I don't know the backstory there.With the movie?Yeah.
33:02I don't completely remember it, but I remember correctly.I think Brad Bird's sister was either, I think she was either murdered or in a car accident or something like that.And so like one of the underlying themes of that movie is like being kind of anti-gun or being anti-weapon.And I think when I watched that, I was at a convention somewhere and he had just told that story.And then we watched the movie, and I think I just brought all that emotional baggage with me.And I was like, Brad, Bird, why?Why, Brad, why?That's what I love about movies, though, is that subjective experience is, like, we bring who we are to that viewing experience.
33:45So it's a, please.A hook.Hook.I went to the Vista Theater and I saw Hook, and this was maybe three, four years after Robin Williams died.And the moment he comes out of that cave as Peter Pan, I was like a sobbing mess.you know because you you just I think it's for me it's all those I think about all the movies that I've seen him in as a kid or I think about the first time I saw Hook as a kid so I feel like for me it's not necessarily the movie doing it's my emotional baggage that I'm bringing to the movie hmm yeah this is really interesting to me so I like I don't ever want to like push a button too far especially when there's a camera rolling it's always up to you if you want to how personally you want to get about stuff you said your dad wasn't arounddid you findforming like male masculine identity
34:32whatever the hell you want to call it?Did you, do you find yourself ever,and you also sounded like you were a bit of like,you called yourself parrot.So you're a bit of a spongewhen it came to some of these personality types.What personalities from charactersdo you think looking back
34:48that you were probably absorbing in some way?That shaped Adam.Oh.Whoa.That's a,Good question.Well, I will say that even though my dad was not around, I had a really strong relationshipwith my grandmother.
35:06Yeah.Incredibly, incredibly strong.To the point when people are like, oh, you didn't have a dad growing up?I'm like, no, I had a grandpa.Yeah.My grandparents are like my second set of parents.So that was a big part of it.And that was a huge.
35:19So I think maybe there's a lot in that relationship that I had that when I see father's son stuff,it kind of hits me because I think of him.Yeah.Um, but if I think of characters specifically from movies, uh, I don't, I was thinking about this because I've watched some of your other episodes and I know you've asked similar questions and I was thinking about it's like, is there any character that I feel like I've really like pulled from? And I don't know, honestly, if there is a movie character. Even though I am a bit of a parrot and I would sponge up a lot of stuff. Um, if anything, I feel like Superman in some ways. Just kind of like the character, the person.that he tries to be, tries to be good and always make the right decisions, which like it's alsokind of an impossible thing to do. But he also is that character who tries as much as he canand it's not always, doesn't always work out that way. But I would always look at that characterand go, okay, well, if I don't want to be in a situation where there's a bad outcome, do the
36:17right thing. And, you know, sometimes as a kid, you make the wrong decisions. But yeah, but I don'tknow if there's any other particular character that I can cite to and go that's a hugecharacter that like inspired me other than some characters that I've read in comics soyou were talking about the moral direction of Superman just there why does that grab why did yougravitate to that so much is that is that does that counteract some other aspects of yourpersonal life where you felt like you had to adopt that or is it more reflective of howyou're already being raised I think it was definitely reflective of how I was already being raisedBecause the one advantage that I feel like I had growing up was my brother was not born until I was 12.
36:58Okay.So I spent most of my childhood with adults all the time.So they never treated me like a kid.I was usually treated like mostly like an adult.So they kind of expected that respect back.Okay.And I feel like because I was never really like babyed, I was pretty mature at a much younger age.Then I think, I look at my brother and I love my brother.
37:22but he was that my mom definitely babyed him a lot more than me you know like doing things for him likehe's he's gonna be 20 soon like we can do his own laundry at this point come on um but yeah so i thinkthat was a huge advantage for me and i think also i just i just loved the look of that characterso i got really invested in reading comics about that character and just understanding who he wasand you would i would read those stories and go oh this guy is like he's really just like a goodguy he tries to make the best decisions he tries to treat everybody with respect he treats peoplethe way that he would want to be treated and if he sees someone doing something wrong he'll call itout or he'll he'll uh what's the word i'm looking for um he basically oh my god what is the word
38:10that i'm thinking of i'll let you find it or describe for me a direction because i can't read yournot approaches it he addresses itJesus Christ.What is happening today?What is in the water going around in this building?But yeah, he's not afraid to address it head on and really like have a strong stance on something against something if he knows that it's going to like hurt people.So I feel like in a lot of ways I tried to apply that through my life.But, you know, things happen when you're a kid.
38:38Sometimes you're bullied or whatever and you take those aggressions out on other people.And then you grow up and you're like, well, that was a dumb decision.Were you bullied?Oh, yeah.But I will say.I was, I was bullied quite a bit because even though I'm born in the United States,people were like, where's your family from?Czech, where is that in Europe?
39:02Is that like Russia?I'm like, it's like central Europe, surrounded by like Germany and Austria and Poland.Where's that?I'm like, oh my God.So I'd have people for birthday sometimes and, you know, like the things that we make are a little different.Like we don't have pizza for birthdays.We have open-faced sandwiches.you know like different types you know different just different cuisines and
39:21freaks yeah people like kids will go to school and they're like yeah yeah weird foodI'm like it just bread with ham and cheese what's weird about that I don't knowyou think about a pizza it's kind of the same thing it's literally it's the same thingit's the only difference is big so yeah so like I would get bullied for more of like mybackground and that like we had weird stuff but I was also pretty lucky that I was tall for themajority of my life so I would tower over everybody else so people would pick on mebut they usually most of the time do behind my backbecause they're like,
39:51I don't want to mess with this kid.Not that I was interested in getting in fights anyway.I was not.How were you were speaking about like Superman being willing to speak up?That's the thing about why I love one of the many reasons I love my wife so much.She has no issue.Like not a moment's hesitation to speak up.I can be in my head and sometimes take a while, you know.
40:16Something as little as.like, I'll give this guy like 45 more chances before I tell him to put himself inaway.You know, something like that.When you were growing up, did you find it natural to speak up or is that somethingyou still kind of combat with when you find yourself in a position or do you kind ofretreat internally?I think I've been through literally all phases, all phases.
40:43I think as I was younger, I was one of those kids that if like, if there was a line ofat the slide, I'd be the kid to let all the other kids go.You're so nice.Yeah, I was that kid.And my mom would go, go down the goddamn slide.You've been standing there for 20 minutes.I'm like, no, let them go.I was that kid.
41:02I was that kid.And then I feel like as I got older, I was, I retreated.I was like, I don't want to, I don't want to address this.I don't want to deal with it.And I think that carried over probably like into my mid-20s.Okay.And I think once I turned, I don't know when exactly,I don't know when exactly, but as of like my 30s, I'm like, I don't give a shit.
41:21I got a problem with someone, I'll just tell them.Hell yeah.Or if someone's doing something I don't like, I'm like, hey, don't do that, you know.I care much less now.But I still am like lenient in a lot of ways that I probably shouldn't be.The same thing of like, I told you four times I get off your phone.Yeah.And now it's the fifth time.
41:38Now I'm pissed.Yeah.But can you please get off your phone?You know, like it's that thing.So, yeah, I've been through every, every version.I'll credit you thoughSo before I do anything like thisI sometimes think about like what am I going to say in the intro
41:58And I never end up saying what I'm rehearsing in the carI never I never doBecause I want what I say to come from a genuineSo I'm always like trying to find like what is the genuine thing that I really want to sayAnd as you were talking it was reminding me of what I was saying in my headIt was saying out loud on the car right over herethat was speaking from the heart, which is you are undoubtedly one of the nicest people I have ever encountered in this space.And the other word that I was thinking, too, it's funny to say this was Superman, was you are also been one of the most respectful people in this space when, like, I go to a lot of these screenings and stuff.
42:37And truthfully, this is no dig at anyone. This is really not. I'm not the most comfortable at press screenings.And what I'm especially weirded out by is a lot of people now talk to me who didn'tbecause I'm a little more popular at these things now.And, you know, I don't, I'm not one who likes to be an opportunist.And like, let me schmooze to get this thing.Yeah, yeah.And no matter what stage I was at when I, I think I first met you when you were, like,working at screen junkies.
43:11Geek and Sundry even before that.Geek and Sundry, that's right.Yeah, yeah.Yeah, and you have always been one of the absolute most respectful, nice people ever encountered.Let it be.I'm not good at compliments.And so, yeah, like, I was really relaxed about it.It's funny how much chaos was happening in the first half of this, because I was unusually
43:35relaxed about having a film with you, even though I'm like, I don't really know anything about it.But I was really relaxed about having a film because I'm like, this guy has always been so, I've never.felt like I have to get you to try to like her anyway.No, no, yeah.Well, no, well, it's funny because it's same, same with you guys.Like, I, when we go to those things, yeah, it sounds dumb.I was like, oh, I wonder if, I wonder if Greg or John or Jabby are going to be here.Like, people that I know.
44:01Yeah.Because it's like, it's a comfort thing.Yeah.I mean, I remember when I saw John at the predator, killer of killers thing, I was like,oh, cool, someone that I know is here.Good, great.But every time I see you guys anywhere, I'm like, all right, cool, I feel a little bit more relaxed.because we've also been doing this for so long
44:15that we've seen so many people cycle in and cycle out.So many different creators, different influencers.The fact that we, the fact that, like, I'm still going to stuff,I'm kind of surprised sometimes because it's just like the turnover is nuts.But I feel a level of comfort when I see, like, anyone from your team,whether it's like Roxy or Koi or anybody, and I'm like, okay, cool, my people.That's how I feel.It's like literally my people.
44:39Because a lot of times with other influencers, you know, they're,they're in so much of their own, like, worldbecause they're doing different things than we are.You know, like we're, at least we are primarily just doing YouTube stuff.We're trying to dabble and expand and do more, like, Instagram, TikTok stuff.But, like, that's what those people do primarily.They're not YouTubers.They're, like, TikTok creators who dabble in YouTube.
45:03So I don't, a lot of times I try to have conversations with some of them,and we just don't have a lot in common because we're doing such different things.you know like the process of creating content is complex and it takes time and all that stuffbut the type of stuff that you make it's so different that it sometimes is hard to have likea common thing to talk about yeah it's like you know you try to explain them making a reactionvideo they're like yeah man I just did like a 90 second sponsorship thing and I'm like yeah I don'tI don't get that yeah I don't understand well you it seems like you gravitate towardssomething that feels like communal in a way and um I
45:41I find there's a lot of posturing of someone who wants community,but is really individualistic thinking.And you've never struck me as someone who is selfish or individualistic type of thinking.And that is why I think there's a natural sense of comfort that people have around you, you know?And why do you have a hard time receiving compliments?I don't know.It just makes me uncomfortable.I think because I'm just in my head too much.
46:09I always think of like, yeah, sure, but I'm sure I could have done something nicer.I could have done something better.So super mad at you.Probably not.There probably is nothing.Probably nothing.But in my head, I'm always like, yeah, man, I don't know.Because then I think like, yeah, but I'm going to bug him in three days about something, I'm sure.
46:26And he's probably going to look at his phone and be like, this asshole's texting me again.No, man, no.You're one of the few who like that there are some people who always hit me up wanting something.And that's the only time they hit me up.But that's, but that's how I am, though, because I'm like, I really need to just, like, go hang out with him.Because at this point, if I ask him one more analytics question, he's probably going to go, you figure it out, man.No, no, no, no, no, no, not you.There's a, there's quite a few people in this space, especially in the rea.
46:54I have slowly discovered, like, it is really important, actually.Because we were talking beforehand, like, you run heroes or forged, essentially.You know, like, it's a team of people, but you essentially run it.You know, there's a team of people of real rejects.I essentially run it.And I have noticed, like, oh, there is kind of an importance, I think, with people like us who need to be friends with people who also run YouTube channels.Yeah.Because there's, there is like just other things beyond creating content that occur from that.
47:26Oh, yeah.That, whether it be like weird ad problems or a whole variety, this is one thing.There's so many.So many, like, my brain is just like, I mean, I remember, this is like a year ago now, but it was, I remember we were having conversation about, like, ad breaks and stuff.Because I was rack.I could not figure out, like, what is working, what is not working?How long do our videos need to be?You know, and it's like, I feel like I'm a, I'm like a creature on an island and I have no one to turn to.
47:56So I'm like, oh, this, no.I'm just going to text, Craig.Oh, God, I hope he's okay with me asking this question.But at the same time, it's like you kind of just need people who you can also.vent with about about a thing that they can understand yeah what and at this point if I do itone more day with my girlfriend she might get me my wife my wife is so fucking sick of me it's likeshe literally got me in Airbnb for the last week in Burbank so I could just script right becauseshe's like if I have to listen to you talk about this goddamn script for five more minutes I might
48:28kill you the other day this is true the other day so we're sharing this the week of where ourdrastic world rebirth reactions let's go upWe were here late at night on a Monday.I have been in recovery because I was really sick over the weekend.I still wasn't feeling great.But I was like, we got to do it.It's big.It's VOD.
48:46We did all the Jurassic Park.We got to do it.Didn't go to bed until like two to three in the morning.Woke up.It was blocked.And I told my wife like,the fucking irony that like went there sick.And then I did all this.
49:00And then it got blocked.And she's like,she need to be used that by now.It's all she said.Same shit.I've been on this before.Really, I was like, yeah, you know what?I don't need to be pissed about this.
49:12It's a bummer.But, you know, but at this point, yeah, I know.Because I'm like, yeah, she's for enough anxiety attacks, enough strikeout attacks and stuff like that.It's like, yeah, this is the same stuff that happened last week before that.All right, all right.Because a lot of times she does humor me and she does like engage with me most of the time.But a lot of times she's been better about like, she's been stronger than me about like, you should be used to.this by now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's just part of the, part of the ebbs and flows of it all.
49:40Right, right. Dude, Adam, we're not wrapping this up. That sounds like I'm wrapping it up,but we're not. Well, Adam.No, what are we other than time?All right, good. That's perfect. How long have you made me to grow up her? How long have Iknown her? Uh, 22 years. How long have you guys been again? Three. Holy crap.Did you have like a crush on her for a long time? Uh, I would say I went through, I went through phases. Well,the way that we met was we actually met when I was in fourth grade and she was in secondgrade. We played tennis together at the same rec center, but I didn't know her. You played tennis
50:14growing up? Yeah, I did. I played hockey. I played a bunch of stuff. Oh, my God. Is that whatthey do in San Diego? Uh, that's what I did, because that's what my, that's what my grandpa didgrowing up. He played soccer and ice hockey. I don't know anyone who grew up playing likehockey and one person maybe, but hockey and tennis are like, well, that'shockey tennis, basketball. I golfed for a minute. Okay.yeah uh hockey was really the only one that i really loved okay um yeah so so and then i don't know15 10 years later i started working at a movie theater and her older sister worked there so istarted like hanging out with her her sister and then i like remet her when she was like i was 15
50:56so she would have been like 13 got to know her parents and then we just stayed friends for the last20 some odd years and i mean our path our lives were like a completely differentpaths and then let's see end of 2022 she got out of a relationship and she slid into myDMs and I was so oblivious that I was like what's happening yeah oh you want to hang out oh oh I seewhat's happening hell yeah and it's been great so easy like literally the easiest relationshipof my life is she super into movies too um she was more into movies when she was youngerand then I think as life just drove her in different directions she kind of got out of itAnd now we watch stuff all the time.
51:38What is like the, which movie or show has been the best bonding experience with her?Memento was a good one.I've never seen her locked into Memento.You introduced her to this.I'm assuming you had seen it already.Yeah, yeah, yeah.She had never seen it.And I was like, we should really watch this.
51:56Sometimes I have to convince her a little bit to be willing to watch something.And I was like, I promise.If you're not locked into this movie after 15 minutes, we'll turn it off.she was like thisjust for an hour, 45 minutescompletely gluedshe sometimesshe doesn't do anymore
52:11but she used to sometimeslike check her phone or whateverno how are youwhen you are showing her a movieand she's checking her phonenot greatbut the goddamn thingbut now I'm kind of over it
52:25you know because I'm likewhatever you do you're either gonna knowwhat's happening or you're not going to know what's happeningbut it's been coolwe also went to go see interstellarin iMac's 70 millimeter she had never done that before and she walked out she was like oh my godthat was incredible that became her favorite movie and then we saw did the same thing with sinnersand she's like i think that's my favorite movie of all time now wow so it's been it's been
52:48really fun and i was lucky enough that i came across a uh a projector that usually it's likeretails for like 5 000 i got on a uh an auction for a thousand so i set that up so we have anice 120 inch projector screen and stuff and I got a sound system and I think that also makes ahuge difference when you can like really be invested in it and you have like sound happening allaround you I think it really changes other than watching it like on a 40 inch you know where you'rekind of invested it what have you watched because she wanted to watch it um friends with benefitsokay like you didn't want to watch it no not that I didn't want to watch but I did not really grow upwatching romantic comedies too much.
53:30So we watched that.We rewatch stuff like Love Actuallyin the holiday, stuff that I had not seenfor like an eternity.But yeah, it's like I really enjoyedand she also likes horror.So we're always trying to find somethingthat we're like, oh, we hadn't seen this.
53:46Let's watch this. Like we watched Audity.We've been trying to watchmore stuff on like Shutter. We rewatchedthe strangers,the Lyft Tyler one. We hadn't seen thatsince it was out in theaters. So we'realways just trying to like dip our toe into into something that we've never seen beforeor I haven't seen a really long time that I'm like I think you really like this
54:05please watch Sicario with me is there is there is there a couple that you've seenportrayed that you feel is most akin like when I see Chandler Monica and Brenz I'm likethat is a lot like my wife and I really is but when you see is there a couple that you'veseen portrayed where you're like that reminds me of my girlfriend and I oh man there probably isoff the top of my head though I don't know if I can really think of one James con andKathy Bates in misery oh god we actually I had not seen that in a while I watched that in thecabin for my birthday that was really fun no I don't know I don't know if there is one somesometimes I want to say like yeah Clark Griswold and his wife uh what was her name in the movies
54:56I don't even know what you're talking about.The National Lampoons, Christmas Vacation.Oh, my God, yeah.Clark, Chriswell.Yeah, no.But you call it your relationship.No, it's not.But, like, we sometimes, like, we have such a, like, quirky fun time doing stuff that it feels like that.
55:10But, we're personally, like, our personalities are not like that.Yeah, I don't know if I can really think of one off the top of my head.Is that bad?Should I know the answer to this?No, man.Okay.A lot of my questions, I don't prepare you for any questions.like what what scares you though you guys
55:28brought up horror a few timeswhat actually scares you in horrorlet's backtrack a little bityeah what was the can you recallwhat the first like terrifying experience wasas a child absolutely oh terrifying experiencelike in real life uhmore in a movie
55:43oh fuck a movie wise it was it wasit was HalloweenHalloween terrified youyeah yeah what was it about thatThat scared you.I think it just felt so real.It felt so real to me.And I think the way that it was shot, and I didn't, you know, I was nine when I saw it for the first time.
56:02I didn't know a thing about cinematography.But there was just something about the image and seeing that white face like slowly come up into the light when she's like pressed against the wall that just terrified me.But I couldn't keep my eyes off of it.So much so that I convinced a teacher in fourth grade to let me borrow her VHS so I could watch it.Amazing.And I got my mom to sign a permission slip and everything.My mom had no idea probably what Halloween was.So I'm in my bedroom with the VHS tape and I'm watching this guy murder his sister, three minutes into the movie, and I'm nine.
56:34What do you think at that age you liked horror so much?I have no clue.I don't know.I honestly, I don't know.And I think for a while it was just Halloween.But I think it was the way that.Oh, interesting.So it wasn't like the genre.
56:50No, it was just Halloween.One movie.Okay.I think part of it was because I think the first movie that I ever saw in theaters was my girl.Oh, I haven't seen that.You haven't seen mine girl?Oh, wow.I was four when it came out and Jamie Lee Curtis is in that movie.
57:05And I think I recognized her in Halloween when I saw her because I had also seen parts of true lies up to that point too.So I think it like there was like probably some kind of a comfort thing seeing an actor that I knew on screen.And I think there was just something sickening and intriguing about that mask.It being so blank and pale, and I don't know.And maybe the music, too, played a big part in it,but it just kept hooking me in every time.Because I used to catch it on AMC Fright Fest when he used to play.And I was like, God damn it, every time I watch this movie,
57:35it's always like at the very end where he's chasing her across the street.So getting that VHS and watching that,that was the, that was really my first sort of like experience of watching truly,like something really terrifying.I had seen, I think, Jaws before that.And didn't quite get you?No, but it was also like on TBS and you know a lot of that stuff is censoredSo that was something that I don't think I saw until like DVD. I was like oh that's what that movie is
58:01Oh, it's even better than I rememberBut yeah Halloween and from Halloween it went to like Friday the 13th all the slasher moviesScream and everything and I've just kind of kept up with it over the yearsBut I will say I think I've also become a bit desensitized to itBecause I'll look at a review of like together or weapons and people are likeIt's the scariest thing I've everever seen. It's a scariest movie since The Exorcist. And I go in there, I'm like,it's fine. It's good. Like, it's good. But I'm not like walking out of the feet or ready
58:31to throw up. Yeah. And I feel like sometimes I get that impression from people when theytweet about it or they talk about it in the videos. I'm like, all right, it's good. I'm definitelynot that freaked out. The one that was really well made was the host. I don't know if youhave seen them. It's a pandemic movie. I do want to watch it. Yeah, where the whole thing takesplace like basically on a on a zoom call and that's really well done. So I think myappreciation for horror or my expectations have shifted from please scare me to deathto please be well made. Yeah. And be interesting and trying new stuff. So I kind of feel likethat's where I'm at because even when I watched together, it wasn't really scary, but I was like,
59:08that's really good body horror. That's a really good practical effect or whatever. So I think I'mjust appreciating it from a different perspective now.what is thewhatthrough when before stuffstopped being scarywhat was the thingthat was consistently scary
59:27was it the real life stuffwas it supernatural everumdid you grow up religious at allno no religion in your household whatsoeverno no like my family isCatholic just based onyou know like where they they're upbringing but we don't
59:43not like practicing going to churchevery Sunday kind of Catholic noum i think body horror was a big one but also as as slasher movies got more gruesome in the 90sespecially once you got to like friday the 13th part 8 yeah cool guts are coming out now i thinkthat terrified me for a bit there um possession movies also can be really really fun likethe exorcist even though i know what's happening i'm still like i watch someone go man that isso uncomfortable like there's still something that kind of like tickles the inside of my stomachin an uncomfortable way that I'm like that still gets me that's still really good oh so you
01:00:20would you consider yourself an empath um I don't know good question because it's like it seemslike when you're watching these things you are getting this sensory experience where you'resort of feeling yeah getting the tingle yeah that does happen with movies a lot yeah so maybeyeah because I I love the theatrical experience and I feel likeThat's why I try everything I can at home to like recreate that because I love to just be fully immersed in the movie.I don't want any distractions.I don't want to, you know, I don't want to know what's going on outside.I don't care if the house next door is on fire.
01:00:58Yeah.I'm in the movie.So that could very well be a part of it is like I like the feeling that I get reacting to something or watching something.Do you feel like it was ever, because I'm hearing so much about it being a bonding experience for you.Was it ever an escape for you for anything?What was it an escape for?Well, when I was 20, well, how old was I?I was 17?
01:01:22My grandpa got sick with cancer.Okay.And at the same time, I started working at a movie theater.And I basically lived there.Like, even when I wasn't scheduled to work, I'd go in and watch movies.Or if my shift was over and I didn't have plans with my friends, I would stay and watch movies.Because I was just like, I need to just, and it was also, it was that, plus it was, you know, relationships with friends or relationships with girls.Things, you know, maybe we're not working out the way that I thought they would.
01:01:49And I'm like, I'm just going to go watch something.Grindhouse is out.I'm going to go watch that.Oh, Inglorious Bastards is out.I'm going to go watch that.You know, whatever it was, I would just live at that theater.I loved it.Sounds like you're, John and I just started severance.
01:02:02Really?Just started.That sounds like that's your severance experience.Probably.I haven't seen the show.I've only seen the first two episodes.Yeah, so.And I watched them like three years ago.
01:02:12I guess right when it came out.but yeah I really and I worked in the projection booth too which like is a non-existent job at this point yeahbut I loved it because I was just it was just me and those film prints yeah and I just listened to the projector go all day and I would just clean film prints I would like you know schedule and figure out stuff tear down prints build them up I loved it it was my escape from everything so how have you been feeling about the way the movie industry has been going lately like it seems like directionless to mewhen I think about it's all it's constant zigzagging and information that makes you thinksomething's going to be huge but it's not and it's it's all over the place and it seems likethere's this new territory of content that doesn't seem like there is this new type of contentthat's about tearing it down and taking it down and there's people who are too positive or whateveryeah how how do you feel now with because it's weird it's like the the industry is one thing
01:03:13and then there's the movie experience itself.Totally.And I feel like with what we do with reaction videos,that is about harnessing that the experience.Absolutely.That emotional thing that should not be fucked with.Yeah.No, I agree.
01:03:27I agree.Like when you talk about preserving that at home,that theatrical experience.Yeah, I buy Blu-ray still, guys.3D Blu-rays.I'm like completely, totally invested in like trying.Because, you know, a lot of times people can work,oh, let's just watch.
01:03:40Oh, yeah, it's streaming.I'm like, no.Yeah.You tell me.before and I'll buy the disc and then we'll watch it what do you wish could change about the industryright now or how are people or audiences with movies um I think I think the big thing that I noticeis that a lot of people focus way too much on everything else other than the story yeah like whatthe movie is actually is they worry about the box office they worry about every detail of the visual
01:04:07effects they worry about like the you know everyone's a cinematographer now everyone's a visualeffects artist you know and a lot of times I'm like great but what did you think about the movie andpeople like yeah it's fine yeah but no but what did you think like what kind of an emotionalimpact did it have on you yeah you know did you walk out of it feeling any certain way did it triggersome kind of an emotion did it did it it scare you did it make you feel good like how how are youfeeling walking out of it and like nine times out of 10 I feel like people can't give me an answerespecially on Twitter but like that's let's be honest this is the worst place to go yeahto try to have real conversations about movies a lot of the time.
01:04:43Not always, but a lot of the time.I run experiments every now and again.We're like something gets posted on Twitter,especially if it's like a trailer or something.Yeah.I'll go through the comments.It's all hate negativity.Yes.
01:04:54And then I'll go to YouTube and it's like all positivity.Yeah.I know.I know.It's a, Twitter does certainly attract this kind of environment.Yeah.And it's a bummer because like I have just always valued the theatrical.And I think it's also because.
01:05:09of my upbringing because we went to the movies as much as we could.So I think I've just carried that on through my whole life.And I love going to the movies.It's such a fun.It's like a religious experience in a lot of ways.I mean, the thing that I'm writing, that I was hold up writing in Burbank, it's not aworkplace comedy, but it is about people who work at a movie theater.Because I'm like, no one's ever made this.
01:05:30No one never really like has talked about what it's like being a part of the industry at all,you know, let alone the exhibition part of it.Yeah.might be kind of interesting for people to see like, you know, it's obviously dramaticallychanged in 20 years since I worked there, but, you know, we'll see. Maybe, maybe that'll getmade into something. But yeah, like, I just, I love going to the movies so much to the pointwhere I've done like triple quadruple features sometimes because I'm like, I don't know nothing elseto do. It's a Sunday. My laundry's clean. My bills are paid. Whatever. Put my A list to good
01:06:02use. Yeah. You know. I love that you're talking about the experience of it. Yeah. And whenyour upbringing your mom was taking you a lot what your mom do for a living uh she had quite a few jobsright now she works in pharmaceutical okay um when i was growing up she worked in hospitalityquite a bit and she was always but she would make herself emotionally available for you uhyou have immigrant parents uh actually i didn't i have my grandma i had a grandma um she died thislike 10 days after my dad died in 2013 and uh she's barely didn't sayspeak well english yeah um but she looked after me when i was a kid and then uh my other grandma wasin new york um before she i didn't really have a much of a relationship with her yeah so no i
01:06:50didn't i didn't have like the bond with grandparents i didn't know my grandpas at all so immigrantparents are they're they're they're they can be really fun but they're not as open no as i feellike I've gotten the experience from like witnessing my American friends or parents who were likeborn here yeah you know it's a very they grew up very differently so the interaction that theyhave with their kids are very different I'm first generation technically because my mom'sFilipino oh okay okay okay so I get you so yeah so like that it was it's open to a pointlike there are definitely things that I would never ever ever share but the movie thing was theone thing that we could like go and do and not have to work
01:07:33It was like an escape for everybody, which was kind of nice.That's exactly what I was sort of hoping to get at.Because that really dawned on me, too, the other day of like, yeah, that was me growing up.I can't really talk about anything, especially growing up, didn't know how to talk about anything with my family.We always didn't know how to talk about jack shit.But there was a sense of unity when we watched a movie.Totally.There was like a weird thing of some type of emotional experience together.
01:08:02It was a language that you all.all understood like we couldn't do it at a dinner we couldn't even look at each other in the eyeswe could watch a movie together totally and uh it sounds like you had a very similar type of thingwith your family yeah yeah like a lot of times it was great but sometimes it was like yeahwe're just not on the same wavelength you want to watch a movie we're all on the same wavelength it'sweird but yeah your mom still around yeah and do you guys still bond together with movies at allOr is that something that you don't really get to experience with her?Sometimes, not as much as I, obviously not as much as I used to as a kid, but we try to do it, but it just, I mean, you know, it's a busy schedule that we have.
01:08:46Of course.You know, and now that I'm in San Diego, I'm driving, I was just here yesterday and I went home and I came back today.So it's like just having the time to do that stuff is really hard.How does she feel about the line of work that you've been in and out of throughout the years?Uh, I don't, I don't know, to be totally honest with you.Um, I feel like she has somewhat of an understanding of what I do, but then at the same time, I feel like she has no idea what I do.Because she's told people I'm a graphic designer for the last 10 years.And I'm like, uh, I just interviewed Dan Dragonberg, Robert Kirkman.
01:09:23I don't, I don't think I'm a graphic designer at this point.I think I've elevated just a little bit.So I, it's, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh,It's tough.It's a little tough sometimes because I'm like, be excited for me.She's like, yeah, cool, good job.Cool.It's good as I'm going to get.
01:09:38It's fine.What's her, I'm trying to get a vibe of her personality.Her personality is incredibly loving and incredibly thoughtful.But for some reason, when it comes to work expectation,I feel like her expectation is you should be in a nine to five collecting a check,getting your 401k you know doing very doing that very immigrant parent yeah one thousand percent yeahyeah yeah so that's that's the thing that i that i've struggled with not with my entire family butsome of my families like they just don't get it like doing something creative as a hobby not a job
01:10:17right right and that that tends to be really hard to the point where like my girlfriend's parentswill be super excited that i'm going to go do something or go somewhere or i took a job doing somethinglike I went to Europe last summerto do a job for Microsoft for three daysthey were like let's do dinner and I'm likewhy it's not that big of a dealbut to them it is and for me I'm likeyeah yeah you know because I just wasn't
01:10:41I didn't grow up in an environment where it was likeoh you're doing this really cool thingit wasn't until at one point I broughtI used to do visual effects rightand at one point I brought my family to the officeto see what the hell we were doingand then they were likeoh i get it you know it's like i'm working on shrek and they're like okay
01:11:01no i'm really i'm working on the first three shrek movies and they came in the officeand they saw it they were like oh so you are yes yes i am is there a sense of trying to obtaina validation from success no not not anymore you've had to i just dame irene we're longpast that damn interesting yeah and your brotheryou're still, I can't get a vibe with like the relationship with him.Oh, it's great.He's 12 years younger than me.Yeah.
01:11:33Um, but he, he's ambitious like I am.Okay.In a completely different way.Like, he's studying to become a pilot, which he, I think was kind of terrified to tellus that because he wanted to have like a whole sit down conversation with my mom and I.Because my mom was like, you got to go college, college, college, you got to get a job.You should go work in pharmaceutical, you know, you know, whatever, whatever.Because San Diego is big in biotech and pharmaceutical, which I get, but he's like,
01:11:57I don't want to be a project manager for a biotech company.I don't want to do it.So for a while he was like software engineer that changed his mind.Then he was like, oh, pilot.There's going to be a shortage of pilot soon because, you know, they're going to,it's the old generation's phasing out.So yeah, he started doing that.And I think he was a little nervous to tell us about wanting to not go forward with school
01:12:19and become a pilot.And I was like, go.Go do it, dude.That's something unique that, like, like,like not everybody does, and I think you'll love it.If you're already into it, go do it.Surprisingly, surprisingly, my mom was on board with it.Because I think he, that was the person he felt like he was really going to have to convince,
01:12:39but he's doing it.So good for him.I'm happy for him.He's doing what he is passionate about.He sounds like your family in some way, your mom must have done something right,because it seems like she's still breeded two children who have ambition and passion.Yeah.Yeah.
01:12:55no like I aside from them well my mom more than anyone not really understanding what I do and I feel like not necessarily taking an interest in what I do everything else was great like I had a nice childhood you know like and if there were problems they did everything they could to keep me out of them so I was just blissfully unaware and whenever stuff would come up you know we dealt with it and it was fine but yeah like I I have very little little to complain.about you know that's amazing yeah it's unusual yeah especially nowadays yeah no i know i know so all thataside like everything else was was pretty great and i'm pretty lucky with some of the stuff that i becauseyou know sometimes you we'd have an opportunity where you know like my grandpa or my mom or someonewould make a little extra money we take a trip to europe like not everybody got to do that that'samazing yeah your grandpa sounds like it was the such an impactful part of your life oh yeahis there a character that reminds you of your grandpa when you see a character this this guy seemslike my grandpa.
01:13:58God, I'm trying to think of, like,who are the best grandparents on film?Because that's literally, like,I'm trying to think, like, yeah, who?There was, I was watching something.What the hell was it?I can not remember the things that I've been watching recently.I was watching something, and I'm watching,
01:14:15like, this guy not only looks like my grandpa,some of his, like, personality is a little bit like him, too.But I can't, I cannot think off the top of my head exactly who.What's that personality?Just someone who's...Someone who treats...I'm trying to think of, like,the best way to describe it.
01:14:35Because he treated me like a son.He didn't treat me like a grandkid.But I don't know if, like, that explains it well enough.Because I feel like with grandkids,grandparents are usually, usually, not always,are always, like, loving.Yeah.But when it's like father's son,
01:14:50there's a little bit of this sometimes.You know, it's like you bicker and stuff.They were raising their development.Yeah, yeah.But we had that, but it was never to a point where it was like uncomfortable or belittling or anything like that.It was always like with love, which I always really appreciated.You call him grandpa.Did you ever call him dad?
01:15:11No.No, he was always grandpa.Do you ever feel like there was, I don't know, I wonder, was there ever a bit of a dis, I don't know what the right word for that would be actually.It seems like internally, though, you viewed him like.he was your dad yeah for them for the for the most part but I think it was also because he waskind of like the man of the house okay because we we went through phases where we like livewith my grandparents then we did in and then we did especially when he got sick we we livedwith him and took care of him and stuff so I think that's kind of like where the fatherly part comes
01:15:45in where he's kind of like mostly uh taking care of all of like the bills and all that kind of stuffAnd like, if someone needs something, he takes care of it.If something needs to be rebuilt or fixed, he took care of it.And I think, like, that's where I got a lot of that stuff was from, from him.Kind of playing, like, that father role, even though he wasn't my dad.But whatever, same difference.It's like, when you have a father figure that has such a huge impact on you, the title is kind of meaningless because he's kind of everything.He is kind of like almost like a mom and a grandfather and a grandmother and a parent, you know, like all that stuff.
01:16:20we would go do everything together all the time when you were having issues with limiting beliefsdid you have any of these figures in your life mom or grandfather who were able to helplift you up I did but I would never go to them oh interesting yeah yeah I would always try tofigure it out on my own to varying levels of success you know but I also was really lucky thatI've had the same friend group since I was partially from fourth groupOkay. From fourth grade, but primarily from high school. So if I really had something going on or I needed to like confide in someone, I usually would go to them. How are you with being emotionally expressive with them? Can you cry at a movie with them around? Oh, hell yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. We've, we've had emotional conversations. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What's like, it's never been a problem? What movie have you guys seen together? Or has it ever been like a group where you're like, we're all kind of getting messed up right there? Yeah.Did we see Up together?Maybe.
01:17:23If Up would probably be like one of those movies.That's a movie that I cry every time I see that opening.Damn it.Because I feel like guys, like, especially to go from fourth grade to now in your 30s.Sure.There's like a bit of trajectory of like that idea of like whatever masculinity might be.Back then we used to like in that age and for us, we, we were at a time where we would just call things gay.Oh, yeah.
01:17:47That's gay.Without understanding what the context was.I literally had a girl in high school who, like, years later, maybe like six years ago or whatever, we started talking online.And she was like, yeah, I always thought you and your, one of my really good friends is named Ryan.She was like, I always thought you guys were gay.I was like, why?Because you guys hung out together all the time.I'm like, yeah, because we got along.
01:18:08Because we were friends.I don't know.And like, yeah, my friends and I, we hug.You know, every time we see each other.Like, never even crossed our minds of people like, oh, weird.Because to us, it wasn't at all.So you guys were like, that's actually very unique.for like especially a group of guy friends
01:18:22to grow up togetherand to still be that kind of level of kinshipwhere it doesn't seem like you guys were like,bro about it.No, no, we really were not.And I think that's why a lot of peoplewould gravitate towards our group.Like we had a lot of people who would like hang out with us
01:18:39because they liked being around usbecause I think we were just likeand women especially like girlsbecause they, I think they felt comfortable.Yeah.Well, we were also kind of like.Yeah.Yeah, we're a little chicken shit.
01:18:52We don't know how to talk to girls.So we're like, hey, hey, hey, we're fine.We're fine.But, yeah, I mean, I think that was a part of it.It was like they felt comfortable.So we would like go.I mean, we used to take my girlfriend when she was 15,she would come to Disneyland, Universal Studios and Six Flags with us.
01:19:09Yeah.Like, I think about now as a 38, 38-year-old adult, I'm like,I don't know what fucking parents would be letting a kid do that.Yeah.But her parents trusted us because, like, we would go over there.We would talk to them.We were pretty mature for our age.And we were kind of like, no bullshit.
01:19:25Hey, we're going to go to Disneyland.We're going to be back kind of late.Are you okay with this?Yes or no.The biggest thing I've got from this conversation is how my, that intro that I was coming up with on the car right over here.It has just been like so solidly reaffirmed through almost everything we have talked about.It's like we've kind of, I feel like we've just pretty much broken down those questions.qualities of how you have become a why you're so nice and a respectful human being.
01:19:54And it's like kind of a, honestly, for me, it's even a unique conversation to havesomeone.Like, it's a bit unusual for me to be like, wow, we're, I've never like done that.I have now I get why this person is just so nice and respectful.You know, that's, that's, that's pretty odd.There's something kind of like old school about you in that way.Yeah.A little traditional value.
01:20:17Very Superman of you, actually.Yeah.Well, and I do think that like having a really closed group of friends for so many years of my life, especially going through like losing a grandparent and then having to move and, you know, they would come visit me in L.A. all the time. You know, we go do stuff together. I think that really gave me a reason to not, to essentially not be an asshole. Like really nurture and respect the people who invest their time and effort into like wanting to do things with you, wanting to come and visit.um reciprocate that you know like for my 30th birthday we all went to europe togetherthat's amazing had a great time yeah so i've never done a guy's trip well we did it at that pointuh two of my friends were both were married one was married and the other they were engagedso yeah they brought the ladies too it was great yeah we're not we're not really guys tripwell that's not totally true
01:21:16we're not usually guys tripguys we like to do everything with like bringyour kids and bring you know everyoneyou were so kindit's fine I like bring everyonebring everyone to the barbecuebring the dog I don't careis weird I'm happy to have you in my life
01:21:31I mean if I'm attracting this conversationof my life I'm like maybe I'm growing if I'mattracted this personyou guys come to San Diego with barbecue will dooutdoor movie night would be great that must mean I'mleveling up internally if I'm attractingthis kind of individual in my life right now.So that's really
01:21:47kind of refreshing to hear.This used to be my opener on these things, but I'llask at last. Who wasyour celebrity crush growing up, and why?I was like, is this question going to come?Because I've been thinking about this quite a bit.I have five answers.I have three. I have three. The first big one
01:22:03I will definitely say was Princess Leia.Princess Leia, okay.The Star Wars was the first movie that Isaw in the theater that had a huge impacton me. It's like acreator because I was like holy crap I want to make those movies also I like her she's really funshe's intense but like gets shit done I really like her I like her personality um then Loristrode in Halloween that was a big one just because I just had seen Jamie Lee Curtis in so many
01:22:31things Halloween true lies my girl and I was like I really like her she's really has a reallycool personality too and all the different movies that she's played to clarify it's it'sit's Laurie Strode not Jamie Lee CurtisLori Strode.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Why Lori Strode then?Um, I think as a kid,I think it was a lot of it had to do with how she just treated other people.
01:22:54She was so nice to like Tommy and Lindsay.She got kind of taken advantage, you know, as you like rewatch the movies at all,you're like, you kind of got taken advantage of by your friends.They kind of like dumped all the stuff on you.But then she also like just was unwilling to give up at the end.She was like, no, I'm not going to let this thing that I know has been stalking.me take my life like fuck this i'm gonna fight back which i was like that's cool um and then what was thethird one oh supergirl for all the same reasons i love superman basically yeah do any of these traits
01:23:27of these women remind you of your current girlfriend oh yeah thousand percent what what traits arethose um well she's definitely a no bullshit type of person like if there's an issue like a layoutYeah. If there's a problem, whether it's with me or with whatever, she's not a beat around the bush. She's like, address it head on. Like if we, if we've ever had any sort of conflict or misunderstanding, she's like, we're not doing anything until we sit down and talk about this. I'm sure. All right, cool. Respect. She's incredibly hardworking. She, you know, she works a full-time job, but she also does stuff on the side, which is, which is awesome. And she's incredibly supportive, like insanely supportive. To the point where,I'm not going to cry on your podcast, but I might.You know, like the Airbnb that she got me in the last week.She got it for me for my birthday.She was like, I don't want to hear you talk about a script anymore.I want you to go write the damn thing.
01:24:21So I did.She came with me and we were there for five days.And I'm not completely done with it, but I got, I've gotten like 25 pages done,which is more than I had a day before I came up here to write.So, yeah, just incredibly supportive.And, you know, we live in San Diego, but she's not.not she doesn't want to necessarily stay there she's like look if you get a really goodopportunity and we can move back then we'll do that like I'll follow you wherever you want to go
01:24:48with your career I'm like that's really cool she sounds like she's nurturing it makes you feelsafe 1,000% yeah like a protector yeah yeah she's the best yeah you've you've named threeprotectors mm-hmm um supergirl lea true and hell even lori strode's protecting a little boyYeah, true, true.You're drawn to protect.Yeah, yeah.Which on the Freudian level, I would say,your mom as a single mother.
01:25:19In her own way, is a protector and a survivor on her own.Yeah.Well, as someone who's a fan of Supergirl,let's really end it on this one.What can you,I think people often,I finally read Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow,like a couple, like I finished it a little bit after,
01:25:35I started and I finished it before my second viewinga Superman. Oh, nice.And I really loved it. That was great. And it was the first time I was like, oh, I actuallyget Supergirl. And then I read the Brainiac Jeff Johns run. And I was like, oh, I'm really,really starting to get, like, really understanding the Supergirl personality and stuff.And what makes her special and different from Superman? What would you say to someone who,to explain that they're not just female Superman?Well, yeah, I mean, I think, I think even just the journey of the character, you know,
01:26:08know, like, depending on what you read or what you watch, the journey of how she becomessupergirl versus how he becomes Superman is very different in different times of their life.So the life experiences that they go through are very, very different.But I think generally, this is kind of my stance with any comic book character who is afemale version of the superhero is like there's so much context and there's so much nuanceand differences in those characters that I think it's really important to, to, to,explore them, first of all, and to consume as much as you can about those characters.Because I think you'll get one, you could easily get into one page of any iteration of Supergirl,
01:26:48usually, and it'll be very vastly different from Superman.Definitely.Yeah.And I think that's the thing I think I love and why I was always drawn to combo characters,is that it didn't matter if all of them were wearing a bat symbol, they were all so unique.If they all had a crest and S-crest, they were all, like, John is different.from Kara, is different from Clark,is different from Lois when she's Superwoman.
01:27:12You know, they're all so unique and different.So I think that's what I love about characterslike Supergirls.Like, I can have a very different experiencereading a book about her as a character, you know.My imagination is saying something along the linesof your mom is a Supergirl who raised the Superman.Like in terms of like, I imagine,
01:27:36I don't know your mom's backstory,but I imagine there must have been some hardship to be in the position that she was in to land here.Mm-hmm.And then race up, right?She's been through it.And then raises, like, a Clark Kent type who's like, I had a pretty good childhood, actually.All these is scary.And I really believe in, like, doing the good thing and the right thing instead.
01:27:52Greg, so much so that when I was a kid and I would go on the soccer field, I would do Superman poses.Yeah.And my mom would be like, what are you doing?We're in the middle of a game.I'm, I'm bored.I'm going to go home.She's the supergirl.You're the Superman.
01:28:04Hell yeah.I think we found a good closer right there.That's awesome.Adam, my friend.You can find Adam, of course.Adam, oh, shit, I thought I would remember it.Halavik.Nailed it.
01:28:17Halak.You know, John's got the memory of how to, he's really good at remembering people's names and how to pronounce.It's one of his skills that he brings to the table here.Adam Halavik at Heroes Refarge.Great reaction channel.Slowly becoming more popular than us.Very slowly.Trust me.
01:28:37He had a snails crawl.Robert Kirkman and Dan Tractenberg and Simon Pegg.Just fucking bullshit.Fucking assholes.God damn.Well, I had a great time.Sure he did Superman.No, this is a lot of fun.
01:28:54I'm really glad that I got to do this.And I'm glad we, I'm hoping, I was thinking about this on my job.I'm like, we really need to go do something else that's not us trying to monetize.But that's really hard.What?No, absolutely.Like, we sat next week turn to an interstellar and that was like the most of like,we're here talking without camera.
01:29:14I know.I think you even made a joke like, should we, should we be recording this?Yeah.No, I would love that.My wife, Olivia, we've been talking about going to San Diego, actually.And your girlfriend actually sounds fucking awesome.And it sounds like the personality types would actually mesh.Let's watch a movie together.
01:29:29We'll barbecue.That we're vegetarian.You will make us beyond me.Easy.Easy, peasy.I feel like I could, I feel like I could learn to adopt, I could adopt some, meant, like there's, there's certain things about, you haven't talked to my girlfriend yet. So I don't know if you want to be saying all that. I have like, like, I've, I have a lot of confidence in a lot of areas, but then there's other parts of me that's super cynical. And there's areas where I feel like you can be cynical about yourself, but then you have like this confidence and positivity in areas that I don't have. And I'm like, I think it's like, there's some like puzzle pieces we can learn from each other here that I've been that I'm picking up on. Like before this, yeah, I really do think so.yeah we got to wrap this up and you got dinner to go too so adam thank you for being herefollow him on heroes of forge and on social media and uh yeah let's actually hang out
01:30:15because kind of no brian needs a friend
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