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about this hey i enjoyed this episode i like that we i hate i don't i don't think in one point
in the entire time we have filmed anything together i've ever been like what'd you think of this
episode that you've ever been like i did not like that yeah i don't think one i i i challenge
it must anyone here to test to find one time we're
John's been like, I don't like
this episode. That's not
to imply that I didn't like this episode
not in a
well, yeah, it's harder
in this environment because
too, it's very fun getting to do
this and being able to watch it.
It's hard to be honest on the camera porn.
Well, it's easier when it's just like
you just walked out of a movie and you don't have to
It's my shirt. Yeah, my shirt
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so instead of saying i enjoyed this episode i will say that this i loved it i hated it is it's you know
it's continuing uh about the same like level of quality i have come to expect thus far for
for better mostly and for you know could be a little better in other places but oh but the way i read it
Ouch.
Yes.
Everything is literal and it's all immediate.
Yeah.
So I hated everything, but I loved only the most.
Trying to get clicks, are you?
Yes, absolutely.
Woke Monarch, just ruining the legacy of monsters.
But no, I like that this episode was doing more of a character thing.
I think that it was nice to have an episode that decisively chose one character.
and went well two characters really and went we're going to peer in on them to kind of compliment and flesh out some of this stuff while we do the things in the present like the things happening in the present are like very very very straightforward at the moment even though you do have the cool like oh space and time weird you know like oh when you get too close to kaiju things get strange like they're still good at kind of stretching out this mystery part but uh but it was nice to have something with a little bit of tonal contrast and contemplation to you know balance you know
out the rest of the stuff that's just like we got to evade the monster and hey we got to go
find these guys you get your john credit man when even though he likes everything he knows how to
explain why he likes it yeah i'll never just be like was good goodbye
there are people who will i know and i should learn to become one man i know so that nobody
ever knows what i think just uh you know the basics i'll just give everything a number
and not say anything else.
Yeah, John.
Are you done?
Are you done?
I mean, no, that's my nutshell review of the episode
without, like, taking everything that there is to die.
I like this knife that you've got here.
You're something to talk about, John.
Hey, gee.
What did you think of Kentaro?
Of Kentaro this episode is clearly the guy that you have been,
you know, sort of championing for him.
You love cantara.
And, you know, I've been sitting here going like, man, you know, I'm just waiting for that performance to really kick in.
And you've been here in his corner being like he's my favorite actor in 2023.
So what did you think?
Did he rise to the occasion?
I liked him more than I did in the previous episodes.
I enjoyed his flashback scenes.
I thought him and Kiercy Clemens had, I think when it comes to chemistry,
With actors, people usually chalk it up to, they have great chemistry to they have no chemistry.
And I don't think it's either of those.
I think it's intermediate.
I think they have middling chemistry.
It is there.
It just could use more flavors.
It's like you always feel like these actors want to do the work and they're giving them some of that.
I think it is the baseline generic flirting chemistry.
yes and then the baseline bickering we're argumentative chemistry and we both have these hangups
that are you know grave to us but maybe more easy to resolve than we have i still don't think the
writing on them is pert i think where the show lacks in qualitative dialogue they make up for a lot
in aesthetic choices that evoke more emotion oftentimes
that are stronger than the characters.
Better direction than writing.
A thousand percent.
I think everything is better than the writing.
I agree.
I know people love the hell out of this show, and I like it.
It's got a 600% on run to me.
I like it quite a bit, and I think the political stuff is better written than just character scenes often.
Yes.
Depending on the characters.
And so, yeah, I mean, like the Cantaro and the, what's her name?
What's Cursy Clemmons' character name?
May?
Yes.
May, I think it's May.
Yes.
I'm pretty sure it's me.
Correct.
Because like two minutes into wandering into the snow, he already, it was like
that Homer Simpson episode when he was on his own.
And it's like, he's got like a beard.
He was in Marge's car.
It's just like, it's been a day.
Homer?
Yeah, yeah, totally.
And it's like, you just water it off like 15 minutes ago.
I know this show deals with like a span of time, but mad.
not feel like they really earned getting to like wandering lost in the snow this had uh and and now
hallucinating thing like and i think they were trying to imply that there's the that there's an
acceleration on the hallucination because of kajou mumbo jumbo hollow earth things crossing
altitude uh you know like there's a variety of things i'm sure uh but i thought we got there like a
really quick on the sudden.
They do a decent job of drawing
mumbo jumbo that
like sells the way
time passes enough in the immediate
moment, but yes, I thought that it had
this weird time quality
in both sets of stories,
which is odd because like, I kept
thinking in the flashback
like, how long is this
gallery over? You've been at a bar, you went
home, you made love,
you're in bed, you're getting out of bed, like
how long is this thing and how long are people
waiting around for you and like how close is this to the you're such a girl i just you know for that ad
that advertiser friendliness you know i don't want to say too much cheity cheity bang bang they got
bizay they had their they got it on they had g i don't know if i should say g day vijida
yeah vijitay g spot day whoa john too too too vulgar sorry it was too monetized no a g spot
does anywhere Godzilla appears.
Duh.
But anyway, the way time is compressed is a little funky.
And it's, and like I, and you said during the reaction, I, too.
I definitely said it.
I'm going to start saying that you said stuff in the reaction that you definitely did not say.
Just see if people pick up on it.
No, I really enjoy and I'm fascinated by the aesthetics of people on, like, icy expeditions
and the hardships that those involve.
And, like, I was just watching a couple episodes of this show called The Terror,
which is all about this doomed Arctic mission, basically.
And it's, like, set in a much earlier time.
But, like, that's a show that really lets you live in the sort of, like,
there are overt monster horror elements involved.
But half the time, you are just, like, in the real nastiness of being out here.
And there were times where this was flirting with that in ways that I liked.
But at the same time, at the end of the episode,
when he shows up with a frigging helicopter,
I was a little bit like, oh, you know, I, yeah, I feel like this is like very popcorny in the way that it's conceived because it's like really clipping along and it like has this sense of atmosphere that pervades everything.
But it's like not paste atmospherically in that sense or like it feels like it needs to move in a way that I get like I'm not, I'm not upset about it.
And I'm like, yeah, you know, we need to kind of be globe trotting and going a bunch of different places.
But at the same time, for the unique challenges that freezing to death presents, you know, part of me is sort of like, you don't have to go full cannibalism.
But on the other hand, I am like, I want to live in the madness that isn't setting in, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
I think there's, I think there is, I kind of, in all honestly, I feel like the show kind of pulls his punches a little bit.
I think that there is a more interesting show out there about obsession and desperation.
You just saw Zodiac.
Yeah.
And I think there's like a version there that these filmmakers kind of want to tell, but they can't.
It feels like they can't.
It feels like, yeah, it's like they're being restricted from going to all in on any one thing.
Yeah.
And I think they want to tell the story about like people who have become so obsessed.
with uncovering the truth of the titans and then watching what it's done to them as people
and how it's tarnished their relationships but everything they do is with with that is kind of
just like the very boilerplate yeah like the choices of what they choose to do with them
feels boilerplate and then once in a while you get something that feels really rich like
with cantaro's mom that felt like very rich but she's the MVP we talked about the brother
and sister like a billion times so we're gonna talk about them but yeah i think they're uh they're
kind of bland and well and the show is all but forgotten the sister no they haven't i feel like
no she's rising to the occasion that's right she's best friends with me now she's like we're not gonna let her
die yeah take they went above then beyond and and and i do agree it's it's i'm sure it's there in the
in the text and it's in the immediacy of the moment but this was also a time where i was like you know
may really is just kind of along for the journey here to like add some cumbersome stakes
well i think it's kicking off with john goodman flashback at the start of the show is kind of
an indicator where i think they wanted to go with this show uh you're like yeah you got the monarch
people who are like government corrupt blah blah blah but then you got like these other people
who have given up their whole lives for it and and that is kind of what john goodman's character is like
You see what he was like as a young, enthusiastic scientist explorer who then became John Goodman.
You know, we should all be so lucky.
It's this like grumpy guy who just hates people.
Yeah, but I want the truth, you know.
Yeah, that's all I have now.
Yeah.
Daily and I didn't enough other people.
And I kind of think that's what they wanted for everybody here is unpacking a truth.
and uh you know cur russell's charming as always uh the monta kajou was cool cool kajou i like
i like the visual telling of the kaiju of how they're like slowly trying to figure out what it
attacks and how to how to how to maneuver it i can't i have a hard time getting on board with
creature that is um kind of made for the snow and then humans can outrun it like shit like that
like mask themselves really easily that really bothers me a lot i'm like you got to know your rules a little
bit here you're not on some weird fucking like this is fantastic land yeah you know yeah yeah totally
this isn't a metaphor this is a real monster yeah it should be able to wreck all you people
yeah yeah like shit like that was kind of bothering like i feel like it totally would i caught up with that
helicopter yeah well and it seems like it has some like going up and what did you dress
Yeah, I feel like it would have enough
Like push off its legs to lunge at it
Or pull it in with its suction or whatever
Yeah, yeah
And like I liked a lot of that
And I do still think they got away from it
Again, it was just kind of like very baseline
I am curious why people
Love this show
I like the show so far
With occasional scenes that I love
I kind of love the third episode
that's the closest I've come to saying like oh I love that episode and I think again you know intent versus what the actual end product is is very different and at the end for me I'm curious to know why people are so in love with it you know like does it go above and beyond your typical Kaiju show or something in the monster verse that does explode the humans yeah it does I think it does go above and beyond absolutely I
I think they put way more attention in detail there than any of the monster verse movies have done.
At the same time, does it earn, like, great writing just because it's better, you know?
Well, it's...
Or does more?
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, does that mean it is...
It is...
I don't want to sound like I'm talking down to people who love it because I want people to love what they love.
love i just i just don't quite get i'm not there yet i don't see myself fully succumbing to because i'm
four episodes in which and i'm really not in love with our main characters and and i love like
kurt russell and the flashbacks when you're with young white russell and the scientist's girl
well this episode also just in sitting here now it made me kind of realize like i just realized i just
realized i said i don't like the people of color yes but i love my white man her
Yeah, and his white son
But I can't stand
Well, the writers
Need to remember
How that sounded
Yeah, yeah
Oh
Well, this this episode
Especially sitting discussing it now
Like it, I really did, I think
Kind of share your
Your enjoyment of the third episode
And that enthusiasm
And the third episode in some ways
Is the most meaningfully
I thought this meandered me.
Are we on five?
This is four.
This is four, yeah.
So, like, the last one was the most sort of we spent meaningful, like, development time in the 50s plot line.
And this had none of the 50s plot line, and I feel like that is my favorite plot line easily.
So much more intriguing.
And the characters in that one, while they're not like...
Because that's when it's like Monarch origins.
Yeah, which is really cool.
And you get the fun sheen of the period piece stuff.
Yeah, Charlie.
The aesthetic.
And, and, like, the thing is...
The three of them, the trio of characters at the center of that, are the closest the show gets to, like, actually having some interesting characters where I'm not sitting here going, oh, this is like, and they are archetypical and they are familiar, but more, less so than the present day where I'm like, this is like, you know, you open up the box of like, oh, I got to get my wife back, or like, oh, you know, all these kind of tropey character things.
And, yeah, like, when those plot threads seem to all kind of be what the main present-day story is kind of riding off of.
And it's like, yeah, you have them doing their romantic bickering and stuff like that.
And then we see how they met.
And, yeah, everything is very kind of familiar.
And it's weird because Godzilla, like, especially the American Godzilla movies, are always kind of in this weird push pool of like, how do we do people?
And how much do we do people?
And nobody wants, like, a human, too much of a human drama.
Like, it's the 2014 movie.
But we don't want to also, like, annoying and cartoonish the way, like, things can kind of get in King of the Monsters sometimes.
Like, you know, you don't want humans that are unpleasant, but you don't want to feel like that's the main focus or something.
And, like, I feel like they're splitting the difference by being as, like, kind of generic about it to be agreeable as possible or something.
Yeah, I just think the mellow drama rings flat.
Yeah, it just doesn't feel very alive or very seasoned.
The whole thing with, like, I'm going to go look for my dad.
I'm going to go off on my own.
You made your own choice.
I'm like, I feel like emotionally void in this moment in time.
Yeah.
He's just like, go that way.
And if you succeed, right, and we'll go this way.
And if we succeed, great.
Again, it's like, I recognize intent all the way I do.
It's all here.
It's just when it comes down to its final conclusion of what the final product is,
it does ring flat.
And then when you're not cutting to the origins, it does.
ring a little
like the one
it's most interesting
to me
is when you're
in the origins
of the 50s
or I find it
more interesting
when they're just
like cutting a monarch
Tim man
I feel like
Tim is going to rise
as an interesting
character
pretty soon
yeah I'm like
I don't really know
what the mystery
is that I'm supposed
to be like
intrigued by
honestly
like I guess
JJ Abrams
that one
there's something
there I guess
I'm supposed
to be intrigued by
but I enjoy
the
pulse of whatever is happening there i think yeah because i'm at least like going i want to know
what's happening here when it tickles that part of your mind it's like ooh conspiracy like this is
the more sort of intriguing down to earth secret side versus the you know high scale secret
side sure yeah um i think at i do think uh yeah it's okay like if you look at godzilla
of 2014. I think Aaron Taylor
Johnson, who was kind
of crapped on for some reason as being
like a boring character. Yeah, just dower
and... And I don't
agree with that. I really don't.
I kind of agreed with it the first time I saw it.
But the second time I watched it, years later
when I had like time away to where I was
able to just accept that, hey, Godzilla's
not really going to be in this.
Is my second time watching it? Let me just watch this movie.
Like, that whole
character makes so much sense to me as this
kid who, like,
loved his mom and dad and then lost
the mom and he thought his dad went like crazy
all Sarah Connor on his ass. Then he's
like, I don't want to be my dad. I'm just going to like
toughen up. I'm going to join the military. Come to find
out that dad was telling the truth. So it makes
sense why he become this like
growing up in military
background why he would become this
insanely internalized
serious person. So like the body
language of his performance really registered
with me. And I think
everyone here has like 20
times more dialogue than
as like individual characters
20 times more dialogue than Aaron Taylor Johnson
and it's because
Aaron Taylor Johnson's white is why I find
her to show. Yeah, definitely.
No, I'm saying that I think
is such a much more compelling
character who I can get on board with
than everyone here who is given exposition
who has everything laid out
and I don't
especially an episode like this where it's like it's not really
about the monsters and it's kind of there
And, like, I don't really, I just, I'm like, I don't really care.
And I think your placement sometimes of when to do your, like, flashback episode is like,
it's kind of a weird placement to me to do it.
Yeah.
And especially to zoom in.
Taking your foot off the pedal.
Yeah.
And I mean, like, I like Kentaro generally.
And I like seeing a window into his character and Maine, all that.
But it also seems like, okay, we're on episode four.
We're changing the format of the flashbacks.
And now we're doing this first.
And it does feel a little bit like, huh.
I wonder why, and I wonder why it wasn't maybe the girl that we were set up to think is the lead who is now, like, status four in all these scenes.
Sure, yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah, it does sort of, I'm waiting to see if maybe the rest of the season will draw a clearer map for that.
And, and, too, I mean, I love.
I just feel like I'm a such, sometimes I feel like I sound like a hypocrite because I'll sit there, I'll sit here with you and I'll go, I want more from them.
and they give us more
and then I'm like
not doing anything for me
well the thing is
the character I get what you mean
and it's no shade to the actors
it just feels I don't know there's something
that feels like there wasn't enough
time or like people were instructed
not to go too deep because like I like Kurt Russell
I love Kurt Russell I love watching
Kurt Russell but here it pretty much feels
like you just plucked fun Kurt Russell
and we're like just have your personality
be the heavy lifting for
you know these scenes in that you're charming and we love you and i love how he's just having fun he's just
chilling and like and so it's funny you know to me coming into this like again big respect to wyatt russell
i really like white russell but i wasn't expecting him to do like the heavier lifting in terms of like
i was like man you know now he's in a position where he's like acting in a way complimentary to his
dad and like that's going to be hard shoes to fill and now in as of seeing what's happened thus
far. I'm sitting here going,
Wier Russell is like doing so much of the heavy lifting
in terms of like bringing a character that I feel has like a
big level of commitment, but also like feels lived in
even in ways despite whatever dialogue or whatever.
Like there's something about that character and to a degree
the characters around him, especially the trio there and
when he's dealing with Chris Heyerdahl and all those people.
Like there's something that feels more alive about those characters
than the present-day characters
and something that feels like they were just allowed to go deeper
when doing the homework or, you know,
kind of bringing the life underneath the dialogue out.
Whereas in the present, I can't tell what it is
because, again, I feel like each time it's never really the actors
that I'm upset about, you know,
I feel like all these people are capable,
but it's something about the way that it moves and it does, like, move,
I feel like pretty quick,
even though it's good at selling you that it's not rushing in the moment.
Well, I think the flashback, the monarch origins in the 50s, their characters naturally fit for their immediate plot, whereas I kind of feel like they made up shit to fill in because they have notes for like, well, we got to give our character's backstory.
We got to, how do we, how do we make this more personal?
Like, you could, I kind of get the sense more of the notes that feel, one feels very natural.
Yeah.
Because their development is so intrinsically tied to the advancement of Monarch.
Yes.
Whereas these guys, it's like this strange daddy issue show.
Well, it feels like you should be heading toward like a center point in some kind of complimentary way where it's like, yeah, you have the past where they're for learning.
and charting this territory
and setting up the structure to study it
and then something kind of dark
at the center of that
that the people on the current timeline
are going to discover
that Kurt Russell maybe has to answer
in some way forward
that is going to be both
maybe a revelation that's
I don't know
to give it some level of heft
or some level of conflict
in that like oh man maybe this went bad
and it seems like something
in the past with Monarch
is certainly going to go bad but
well I think what they are missing
is it in the show?
and I'm just not feeling it,
is what was my dad looking for?
Well, that's the thing is it feels, yeah, the way it moves.
If they had that, like, as an element of like, you know,
it's another trope, but this is like trope show.
If they had that trope and they zeroed in on that a little more,
like, what was my dad looking for?
What did he uncover about kajou or the monster of Titans?
What did he uncover about them?
If they had us, then it kind of feels like you can have the development and not take
her foot off the pedal, as opposed to let's just slow down and show shit of their back sort.
I feel like it is technically there, but I feel like what they focus mostly on is just
fine.
Dad had two families and he might still be alive.
Like that's kind of it.
And like, and I liked his presence when he showed up here.
But yeah, like I feel like while it is technically there, it's not really something
that they've done a lot to accentuate
or focus on yeah what was he searching for
what is the thing that drove
him out into this and how could maybe
Kurt Russell's experience kind of play off of that
and give us some insight into that
because I think there's a way to do
a lot of archetypical and what
when it's not working you would call
like boilerplate kinds of scenarios or
characters as long as you have
and I think it would be appropriate in a place like this
to have those archetypes as long as you've
got a lot of flavor going on in the
performances and the little details that
make the characters beyond just the
broad strokes and I feel like it's
taking it's taking the
you know very straightforward
familiar story melodrama
elements like really seriously
in a way that doesn't detract
from like the enjoyability of the show
in the moment but that does seem like
it's missing a sense of fun
well it's starting to
I'm still excited it's weird
like these are really fun reactions
and it's a really fun show to watch but then when
you start to break it down at least for
for us it does feel like
I think we're like the only one I don't know
I really haven't listened to anyone's
videos on this yeah I haven't either
I haven't listened to anyone's videos but I see
like how the all how people react on
Twitter and I see
the critic
score and I'm like
I guess I'm just like in this weird
camp was like I think it's fine
I don't love it though
yeah well I think that's that's
partly the the treachery of rod tomatoes
is that like all those could be sevens
or six and a half's and quite glowing from what I've skimmed.
And it does create this weird dissonance where it's good enough that I'm, again,
happy to be here and would love to see it grow beyond this.
But it's, yeah, it's a show where for the amount of like joy people have had over it
and just remembering recent times of, you know,
the different receptions of the Monsterverse movies and the up and down journey that has been.
It does kind of fascinate me that people are so glowing.
about this because you know it's good enough that i get why it's popular anyway but yeah the fact
that everyone's like 100% i'm like this is the moving Godzilla trauma that you haven't felt
like uh you've gotten in various movies or whatever else like at least of the movies even though
the human characters can be flat um you know it's just building to the climax of the movie
yeah like at least there's like exciting action to you know distract your mind and
feed your like stimuli.
Yeah, whereas this feels like it would just be an ongoing mellow drum.
It really does.
You know, it happens to have monsters sometimes and that like maybe they'll find their dad at
some point, but like.
And like the visuals of the Titans are really cool.
Yes.
Because it's on a television show.
And a lot of the times I'm like, well, if I saw this exact visual in a movie theater,
would I be as impressed
or would I just be like
I appreciate it
yeah what I actually
I'm a logical stance I appreciate it
would I actually be wow
I think this but I think on TV
you're like wow for TV
this is amazing you know
I feel like this for me
like this could have been
the ice episode you know
or like the Arctic whatever
wherever they are Alaska
this could have been
the thing yeah this could have been
the thing episode or the something
episode whereas like you know this is a pretty good episode four to me but i feel like the setting
the the ever like all the trappings of this could have been like i just think coming to the
psychosis of the past that that was just like it didn't seem like it had anything really to do
with the immediate plot who's just like they're in the ice and they hallucinate it seems like
the only reason of mentioning the the fact that oh like time and space are sort of weird and funky and
different around kaiju is just to explain away that one loop they do and to kind of bolster the
transitions when he's like wandering around and then the radio brings him out of the flashback and all
of a sudden he's inside like but generally it doesn't feel like that sense of magic is like or that
you know strange sci-finess is like truly everywhere here i can't just turn off my brain and have
fun with it i can't because i'm so distracted by a potential and B
be weakness
I am
distract
because the show
treats it
like it's
fucking prestige
television
and it's
working hard enough
on certain
things to
clearly indicate
that it wants
to do that
but it's also
not really
paying much mind
to certain
other things
that are essential
to actually
becoming that
it's so strange
to watch
yeah
I mean
honestly this
might have been
my like
least favorite
episode of them all
in some way
like for
for impact
again like
the promise of
the setting and the kinds of movies you could imagine.
Just the kinds of situations you could homage.
And this place are like nice and rich.
And so in the moment, I think you're always kind of benefiting of the doubt because
you're like, oh, maybe some kind of real set piece is going to give away.
But the fact that they outran that Kaiju like twice with her legs freezing off.
That really bothers me.
It really does.
I'm like, this is kind of bullshit, honestly.
You know?
A little bit.
They're not just combating like running in the snow.
No, they've also got a mild snowfall they're fighting against that
apparently fluctuates between storm to snowfall.
Yeah, and, and I just like, there's no way.
There's no way they would have outran this shit.
This is, you're on this monster's turf.
I'll give you the beginning.
I'll give you the beginning.
But the very end moment, like, what?
No.
Yeah.
No, and it undercuts the threat.
It does.
It's, it's, it really annoys me.
And that whole thing happens pretty foul.
Like when he showed up with the helicopter, I was actually kind of disconcerted at first.
I was like, wait a minute.
Who's flying right now?
Sure.
How did you get here so quick?
You know, but yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's really fun in the moment and you keep hoping that something else is around the corner.
And I think that's what the mystery box element does.
And that's why I'm worried about the JJ Abramsness of this.
Because I think in some ways, that's a great tone.
Like, I think it's stuff like Lost, I'm like, that's the kind of tone you want for a monarch show.
So, creeping, conspiratorial dread.
But also, I'm just aware that sometimes those mystery boxes don't have anything in them.
Yeah.
You know, except for vibes, which are cool.
But, uh, yeah.
I like Kentaro's house.
His art show was fun.
It's an interesting.
I guess.
Interesting.
I don't know.
It's, it's, it's not a bad choice.
but at the same time it is one of those
I have so many other questions
I shouldn't be having because of stuff like that
yeah I don't
this is my least favorite of them all
I still like the show
it's not enough good things for me
to like it
but I guess I just
I'm not over the moon about it
and that's all that's missing for me
is being more enthusiastic
that's what I'm missing
yeah so intermittent
but what do you guys think
are you in love with it
are you mad at us
oh don't be mad at this far
I'm not reading the comments on this
oh you should
all I like is that woke trash
Doctor Who
that's right
the meep
the meep's coming for you Gene
your woke ass
pronouns yeah
screw anybody who uses a pronoun
as if Dr. Who hasn't had
very over cheesy writing
countless times
never
they ruined Doctor Who
I'm like, there's way worse Doctor Who episodes.
I'm feeling that this is in a well-ingrained tradition across shows like Doctor Who, Star Trek, various other things.
Terrible, terrible, Doctor Who episodes.
That was where I was like, the audience, the reception of a certain crowd is going to be insanely predictable.
And I'm also going to be here going.
You guys clearly don't know Doctor Who because you guys clearly tuned in just now.
There are some shittier episodes for sure.
Yeah, and some with thinner-veiled attempts at, you know.
There's channels out there who are like,
they've talked about trans people and they indulge the existence of trans people.
And they were on the nose about it.
Oh, I need to pretend to be mad.
This is really taking away from my ability to thrive as a human being right now.
I need to pretend to be mad so that I could get my views.
This is about me and it is distressed.
I need this
fixed
It's okay
It's okay
You knew it was coming
As long as Godzilla doesn't get woke
You know
Somehow they manage to
Slip some Asian leads
And a black lead in here too
It is cool to see
Asian people in a
In a
I don't know if they're actually Japanese
So it is cool to see
Asian people
as the lead
of a show
about
and the gods
of a show
that seems
I mean
but clearly
seems to
only care
to make maybe
one of them
the lead at a time
Caucasian
creators
behind the show
definitely really
did a better job
writing Caucasian characters
and they don't even
need to like a lean on
I appreciate the effort
though like
hey he actually speaks
Japanese
and there's like
a cultural thing going on with the
girl. I would love if this was
like really bi-cultural
that way. They don't need to make it about
the culture, but I appreciate the intent
to
to anyway, look, I'm done
done. I'm all of this.
We've spilled all the ink that needs to be spilled
and we keep talking. And I got
my Doctor Who rant out.
Yes. Yeah. I'm not diving into
these comments. I'm going to embrace the fun.
Sure. Because if you're upset
about Doctor Who, you should probably go
examine some other things about your life
if you're really
that mad about it
I was like I'll give you it's overt and on
the nose and I'll be like and they've done
that with many a topic
other topics yeah
that's Dr. Who for you
oh what a resolve that needs to get
a couple of themes out real quick
subtle tea is not the name of
Doctor Who not one name
one other time
it's okay
ambiguous ending sometimes
But subtlety I would not be like
That's Doctor Who for you
Open to subtle interpretation
I don't know what this episode was trying to say allegorically
The reason the reason Doctor Who has episodes
That truly stand out like midnight
Like blink
Like the Kepalty episode where he's in the time chest
Or whatever
The prison yeah
Is because those are few and far between
Yes, yes, yes, there is a steady contrast.
And, yeah, the handiest episodes
bolster some of the most impactful.
There's a reason those episodes are huge
because they're not as common.
And you've got to, and that's part of a of an ecosystem.
You're some common sense, guys.
Why do you think they stand out?
Why do you think they stand out?
Because the rest of the time, there's a wide range of tones.
Let's be super exposition about it.
Yeah, let's get mad cap and let's just throw a bunch of shit at you.
And let's wrap it up real fast because we don't actually have enough time to do all this stuff.
So let's just tell everybody what the point is and get out of here.
Jesus, guys.
Jesus.
That fucking acting like, oh, God, so annoying.
Yeah.
I don't know.
At that point, in some ways, I'm like, I go on the nose because the people are going to get bent out of shape about this.
If you go, you go subtle or on the nose, you're going to get the same reaction.
Yeah.
Or you'll get people.
championing something for the wrong reasons.
I liked it because I could tell
this is not the greatest writing.
But they are so congo about it
in the most overt way that I'm like,
hey man, you're embracing it
and you're doing it with a giant smile
on your face.
This seems almost intentional
the way that you have made this point
blank straight forward
because I think you want to upset
and rile the people
who are going to be ignorant towards this.
You're like weed them out.
Yeah.
Yeah, and hey, like, let's, I mean, big respect to a broad display of acceptance because, again, in the community that that is for, I can imagine being overjoyed.
There are people who are completely for the message, but don't like the way it was written.
And I was kind of in the middle there of like, hey, there are parts about this writing.
And I'm like, I do not think this was well, that moment was well written.
But there are, but I'm talking specifically to the camp that's like, oh, ruined my doctor.
that's the
top talk woke
that's what I'm talking about
because I'm like
this show has been
so fucking woke
I don't care
what anyone says
you know
that's half the point
I'm sure the second
fucking black
Martha Jones
show is going
about every world life
or lesbian bill
like come on
Jesus
doctor at one point
has like a whole
coterie of like
lesbians
helping them out
we're even around
for that
and I'm sure
that existed
yeah
yeah
yeah
um
and
then people forget that that's half of what a lot of sci-fi is for is just for giving us metaphors to
help people better swallow just basic tolerance anyway but uh yeah leave us your thoughts
on monarch episode four see you guys of the wope