The Reel Rejects - New Avengers & The Marvel Post-Credit Scenes That Went Nowhere!!

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

Now that Thunderbolts are revealed as the New Avengers, we break down what this rebrand means for the MCU and explore every major Marvel post-credit scene that went nowhere. From Doctor Strange (Mordo vs. Pangborn) and Spider-Man: Homecoming (Scorpion) to Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (Wong, Bruce Banner & Captain Marvel hologram), Eternals (Eros, Pip the Troll, Blade), Moon Knight (Jake Lockley), Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (Clea & Pizza Poppa), Thor: Love and Thunder (Hercules & Valhalla), She-Hulk: Attorney at Law (Scar & Abomination), Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (T’Challa’s son), Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (Council of Kangs), and The Marvels (Beast & Monica Rambeau), Greg Alba and Coy Jandreau examine which setups Marvel abandoned and which might still pay off. We talk the Thunderbolts cast (Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier, Florence Pugh as Yelena Belova, David Harbour as Red Guardian, Wyatt Russell as U.S. Agent, Hannah John-Kamen as Ghost, Olga Kurylenko as Taskmaster, Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Val), and discuss the New Avengers lineup. Plus: what's next for Sharon Carter/Power Broker, Xialing and the Ten Rings, Starfox (Harry Styles), Dane Whitman (Kit Harington), Blade (Mahershala Ali), Hulk, Wong, Madison, Jennifer Walters, Bruce Banner, Emil Blonsky, Clea (Charlize Theron), Victor Timely, the Leader (Samuel Sterns), Betty Ross (Liv Tyler), and more. We dive into Avengers: Doomsday, Secret Wars, Daredevil: Born Again, and debate whether Marvel should adopt DC’s Elseworlds model. Featuring breakdowns of Fantastic Four, the fate of Kang, Midnight Sons, and a passionate rant about Doctor Doom’s rushed arc. This is your ultimate MCU debrief. Follow Coy Jandreau:  Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?l... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coyjandreau/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYH2szDTuU9ImFZ9gBRH8w Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week's videos are sponsored by price picks, the easy-to-use fantasy sports betting app. More on them in just a bit. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, I'm Greg. That's the man you're here for Coy, Gondro, ladies and gentlemen. Well, we're going to talk about a couple of things you can tell by the title. We said, let me do this last week. I'm glad we're doing it today. One of the main things we're going to do is talk about the post-credit scenes that have not been acknowledged yet.

Utilized in any way. Utilized in any way, but before that, I thought this would be fun. Coy, I'm going to do the gayest thing we've ever done together. Oh. Now, not the gayest thing. Not the gayest thing we've ever done individually. But together. But the gayest thing in the Greg and Coy dynamics.

All right. I took a photo of myself. I literally have no idea where this is going. Is it a nude? No, no, no. Into your mouth. But you're going to wish. So I've been doing, tracking my progress.

Oh, dude. And Coy is the person here who I talk the most with about everything. Now, keep in mind, this is while relatively close to a mirror, it's still in good lighting. And I was flexed. I respect the caveats. Yeah. It's not a, you know, a man of honor. It's not a before and after where it's like, you know, neutral lighting and stuff.

Now, this is definitely it. But I'm still pretty proud because the six pack is coming. Hey. It's starting to happen. hey it's getting close let me slide this photo over to you oh dude i can see it from afar you have oblique definition you have the top i'd say four completely aware the bottom two are coming in which of the hardest two to get and the gutters i tell you what what what is no the markey's mark the little little hip you i mean i mean mark that no we can't say that out i was going to say

Note to whoever is chopping this. You're right, that's probably not a word for the gutter, yeah, you can't say. That's fair. That's what it's called. I didn't know that. It's coming, right? Dude, good work. It's happening.

You've been reading comics and going, I want to look like that. And it's showing. It's happening. I needed a good lighting photo because I was like, I need to know if I'm making any progress. No, it's demoralizing. Regular light. I feel like nothing's happening. Yeah.

Why am I doing this every day? I'm losing weight. I haven't eaten in weeks. I'm proud of it. Nutrition. important but you got to eat um that's dude that's great work that's i think it's the most shred i've seen you it's the most that i've ever i like it's not this is weird it's not the skinniest i've been there's definitely the most like oh i'm starting to get the cut you have to be

it helps to be muscular to have abs there are skinny abs they look different thank you thank you it's good work i'm glad we got this on camera that's the beginning i love that the show started we're like we're gonna talk about post credit scenes but first pre-credit abs that's gay yeah we're tracking even better now with the LGBT Two plus viewers. Half the comments are like, it's not gay. The other half is. These guys are so gay.

The calendar is coming soon. Just the two of you oiled up on the set, you know, with each of our collectibles. I got to catch up to him first because I am not in that good of shape and that's going to be, that's going to be fun once I'm ready to oil up. Once I get the full lower ab six pack, it's pizza time. I want to have it just to lose it. Not lying. Not lying. Now, here's the, here's the fun thing I wanted to kick this off with, even though I thought that was pretty fun.

I think you should use the word I said with a beep, like a Walmart, like a beep gutters. I'm going to read you guys, Koi's message. We were trying to, I was like trying to find news stories. And let's see here. You're going to hear how I text. Not coherently. So Koi said, we were trying to figure out stories. He was like, there's absolutely a story in Thunderbolt's.

marketing as well and how small its second week drop might be Thunderbolts new title plus post credit roundup and time that into new title could be solid and I was like new title what are you talking about I didn't say any this day I didn't know there was a new title you hadn't hurt I hadn't heard it's been everywhere I hadn't heard I was like there's a new title what is he talking about do you know it now I know I know it it is it is on the sides it is literally and when you go to AMC it's the post it is literally everywhere shocked me because i was like why is coy telling me there's a new title isn't this kind of a spoiler and weirdly enough i didn't know i was looking for news stories and nothing popped up about i gave it days because i was like surely by now they did a press release on

monday this was a thursday text oh wow yeah i've been i've been uh really busy and i didn't look up news stories until late last night i was like literally recent day i was at a regal last night and their wall of screens that is like to the ceiling was just like new title okay so it is out and i haven't seen this movie i am one of the hosts here who is drew the straw to do a reaction to it um i don't want to know what the post credit scene is everyone figured it would be dark avengers and so like hearing there's a new time i'm not sure would i have like to have get that reaction on camera absolutely you don't know how but i don't know the details i don't know much i didn't i haven't listened to a single review i mean john and roxy

as their review went over great with audiences the guys's spoiler talk uh went on for a long time and it seemed like went on great for audiences as well but of course avoided it so i am doing my best to avoid anything as i i don't know jack about a lot of why people love this movie except for some like mental health aspect uh but which we were hearing before because we talked about it before we saw it or before i saw exactly there's it's like little things i heard but i don't want to know the specifics of the post credit scene uh but you brought this up and you said this would tie into the post credit scene so what can you say about the new adventures that one hilarious that between monday and wednesday i was like man everyone in the world has to have heard this you're

like what new title and like we're deeply in the media space like literally sebastian sam was walking around burbank hanging up the poster over the old poster himself Yeah, I did not know this. But that's cool. Cool new title. It's weird. I felt like I should be bummed by knowing that. But I guess because everyone expected the word Avengers to be why there's the asterisk.

I'm not, I'm not. It's not as big. And you still don't know how it applies. But dang, for marketing purposes, that is really smart. And second bracket drop off must be so much less because people are like, wait a second. Now I need to see this for a different reason. I read the, let me pull it up, what I heard the expectation for the second. weekend is supposed to be because we are shooting this on a Thursday. I don't know. It's expected

to have like a much stronger second week than usual. Because like the opening is is on par with stuff like Eternals and under Captain America Brave New World, which was not a box office hit. But due to word of mouth, the audience score, it would appear that its second week is going to hold pretty strong. And that's even losing a lot of IMAX screens to sinners again. Yeah, I think that's next week. I think it's got two weeks in IMAX. Oh, it does. Okay. Okay. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. And yeah, so the drop-off is expected to be relatively low, which is awesome. So we could potentially actually make its money because the movie collects close to 200 million worldwide to make. And I think it made 180 worldwide so far. Yeah, I think it has to make like 400 million worldwide in order to break. But this marketing smart of being able to say new Avengers, which makes more people be like, shit, I got to go watch this then.

I love that it was also a faith in the movie decision because like you have a billion dollar word in Avengers and you don't waste it. It gets to be a moment. It gets to be a reveal. It gets to be something that they can reveal in marketing after the fact. They did footage at the premiere of them, like taking off the line of text over the poster and revealing new Avengers. You get to put that out on the Monday after the release. Like, Sebastian Stan doing the poster thing. All that's really good marketing built in.

And it doesn't not serve the story. Like, you still get to have that moment in story. So you being not as disappointed actually makes sense because the way it gets used is completely going to be new to you, which is exciting. And the way the film markets itself is, you know, this underdog story. And I kind of like that the movie's an underdog story that I think is going to have great legs and last a long time because of how good it is, the word of mouth, all of the things that make a movie strong. To me, I would much rather have a film do the opposite of multiverse of madness. Like multiverse of Madness is like, here's everything you want. And this movie's like, hey, this movie's so good.

Like, that's crazy. Like, so to me, this is confidence. to me, this is a testament to the cinema score, the rotten tomato score, the word of mouth, but that all is on trust. You can't release a movie called Thunderbolts and then be like, by the way, it's New Avengers, unless you know

the cinema score, the rotten tomato, like, you know what I mean? Like, that feels like old school Marvel. To me, that feels like Marvel being like, hey, we made a shared universe. People are going to be here. Let's do it. And then that kind of swing. And how often do you get something that is in the cinematic landscape, a

title change that feels like it's not flailing. Well, it doesn't feel like it's spoiling anything, honestly, because most of them are announced to be an Avengers Doomsday, and you would assume then they are Avengers then. Yeah. Like, so I don't feel like it's a spoiler. And like, like, Edge of Tomorrow changed

his title, the live, die, repeat. That felt like it was like, title, it didn't work. And like, this doesn't feel like that. This is called Harley Quinn. Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise is here. Yeah, that's another one, like the emancipation of Harley Quinn by the, or whatever it was. I don't even remember. By the coward Robert Ford.

but like that that to me did feel like they were just like Harley's in it as opposed to the original title yeah and and to me this feels like hey we've got a plan we're gonna wait and then we're gonna do this awesome switch and in the age of post credit scenes Marvel kind of made themselves the biggest game in town with post credit scenes there had been post credit scenes before but Marvel changed what they were this feels like an awesome moment where they're like hey by the way it's a different title like what a cool thing so if I go on AMC is it New Avengers? On the title, it says Thunderbolt, the

poster says New Avengers. Okay. So I think maybe we, I don't know when they're, if they're going to change it, but it says Thunderbolt Asterix everywhere. And then the poster says New Avengers. I think it's smarter on a second week to do it because on the first, if you call this the New Avengers, if it was called the New Avengers and then it

opened to the numbers that it got right now, it would look like a massive failure. But if it has legs and it only drops 30% instead of the usual, you know. Because I think, I think, a smart way to frame it. Brave New World, I think, had like a 50 to 60% drop. It was rough. And I think this,

because it opened decent, because that's all the diehard Marvel fans, they're going to see to matter what. They're all open decent. Outside of the marbles. Yeah. This is going to be a testament to like what the legs are nowadays. Yeah. All right. Cool. Well, congratulations, new Avengers. Yeah, I don't

feel like it's a... I can't wait to see... They're announced to be the Avengers movie. Like, they must be Avengers. you know why i'm not surprised i guess i'm not surprised by but i can't i still can't wait to see what unfolds i'm pretty good at knowing generally how to dodge stuff i mean you didn't even know this i didn't even know it honestly it was it was a i'm surprised that i didn't learn it um but i've been off my phone a lot more this week so it kind of helps anyway um i want to see how this conversation then do you have a way to transition this into yes the post credits do i do all right speaking of things that

set up future things in bold ways. I feel like the post-credit scene, which I will not tell you in this is just as confident in the name change, but I feel like a lack of confidence in other post-credit scenes has caused the disquiet among the Marvel fans.

I feel like a lot of the reason people talk about Marvel films, especially in the internet, is like, the ending, the post-credit, what's it setting up? And I feel like when that's your die-hard audience, when you're the, I mean, not die-haired, but the most passionate,

when the most passionate audience is the one going like, that sets up this and I'm so excited, and you get enough of those that feel like they don't set up anything, it starts to make the whole brand feel lesser. Even if the movie's amazing, if your post-credit scenes feel like they don't actually have a vector,

a directive, it starts to cause that unease. And I feel like a lot of phase four and five are great movies. And instead of remembering the great movies, we remember like, so Harry Stiles, is that gonna, is that gonna, Hercules? Are you coming?

All of those things, I think, cumulatively add up because when you leave a restaurant and you had a great meal, but then you get in a fight at the end, you don't remember the meal. I feel like that kept happening with Marvel where it's like,

oh, we got in the fight in the car ride home. I don't remember how good the spaghetti was. So I feel like now this credit scene, which you haven't seen, is awesome. And I feel like that shows

a confidence that they have a directive going forward. I think this is the first film from the new. Bob Iger era, like completely started with him. And it feels like a very intentional direction into where we've been, not lately. Yeah, I believe they said this is the example of the new age of Marvel of how we're like dialing stuff back and focusing on quality. And I'm sure they had

that same script ready. If Captain America Brave New World got the same response. And they're like, this is it. This right here is what we're talking about. You've seen Cap. Yeah. Okay. So all of the issues I had with Captain America. I don't think it's a it's a bad film. I don't think it's a great film. I think it's an okay film and I reviewed it as such. I tried to be pretty clear in that. I don't think it's bad, but I could see greatness in it and that's harder sometimes when you can see potential and neutral almost hurts more when you can see the potential. For me, Thunderbolts is all of the opposite. It's actualizing on its potential. It's actually landing the plane. And so for me, if that's true and they had this plan going forward, this to me,

like oh we know how we want things to land whereas all of that movie to me felt like they were like just change the leaders look to make them less good and like the the look we had in previs was great and let's take out all of the actual commentary like those things don't feel like a confident studio it feels like them into being like movie thunderbolts has something to say it has a lot to say i can't wait to watch it man in approximately 50 days from i will be watching it well let's go into this on post credit scenes that haven't been um followed up on yet i mean some of them i i i breathe i read some of the lines and some of them will just be like oh we'll get that eventually but

then there's somewhere like what did happen with this so we have it in release date order i'm so excited to hear this john do you have it pulled up all righty we have the release date order of every post credits here or well wait a minute this starts a 2016 with Dr. Strange. I think these are the ones that haven't been paid off. That haven't been paid off. Cool. All right. Sorry. Yes, Dr. Strange, 2016.

You want me just read off what happens in the little? Yeah, yeah. All right. Mordo confronts Pangborn, declaring there are too many sorcerers. Okay, yeah. Did we deal with that in multiverse of madness? I don't recall. I don't think we did. Nope.

They were supposed to, right? Whether they were like a deleted scene where he's supposed to encounter Scarlet Witch? Yeah. And causing any sort of tension between the two? Two of them to make sense, yes. Do you think there'll be a payoff to this? I think that Scott Derrickson's Dr. Strange 2 would have, but I now think that we've gone too far.

That was nine years ago. Do you think Mordo, I don't even feel like people really care that they didn't get paid off? Like, I don't know what Scott Derrickson's idea was, but if this is the post-credit scene, I imagine it would have gone directly into that as opposed to like, screw it. Why do you think they didn't? I think the Scarlet Witch concept got so big that they, They didn't really know what to do with it. I think it got like overwhelmed.

Like, and also they could have had, uh, brother voodoo. I would have had brother voodoo. I think they should have brought in that idea and like brought in more magic elements, but they didn't. Would, but isn't that Mordo still? Unless he's like dead off screen and that deleted scene is canon. Isn't that Mordo still like running around? Yeah. Yeah.

And then he's so weird and different in multiverse madness. Like what was that? Yeah, yeah. But that was the variant. That was a variant. But, like, we didn't address that, really. No, no, we didn't. Oh, and you have a chewous whole edgar for on your hands.

Yeah, you're amazing actor. What's like, Idrisel took, like, three movies into there. We should probably let Heimdale do some stuff. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. There was, like, two Thor movies where he's just like, Mr. Stovisism. Look at my cool contacts. I'm like, you're Idris Elba.

All right. So that's one that's, yeah, that's phase, what, two, three? Two, 16? Yeah, that's a whale back. Yeah. All right. Next up, you got Spider-Man Homecoming where Mac Gargan hints at knowing

Spider-Man's identity. Well, Scorpion. You have not seen Better Call, Saul. I've not, but I hear that guy's great. Yeah, he's great at Scorpion. It plays a character named Nacho on Better Call Saul. This dude is a powerhouse of an actor. Shocks me that they don't even seem to give two shits

about following through, with using an amazing actor scorpion is one of spider man's most popular villains freaking how excited we got your friend of neighborhood spider yeah nailed it we lost our minds because he was so good they did such a great job and he was one of the main villains so the final battle is with him and he whoops spider man's ass the first time he's scary and you have an actor who is more than capable of pulling it off pulling off something Amazing. And to me, it's a real disappointment. And now they've, like, really fumbled the ball here with throwing Michael Keaton off into somewhere else. That isn't a different thing because of Morbius. Yeah. So now you can't even really follow through with Vulture now. Yeah. They've wasted two of his most iconic villains. Yeah. Not wasted because he was good and homecoming. It's weird. Yeah. You do have Vulture in the MCU. And now it seems like he's taken out of the MCU and stuck in Morbius land. Yeah, which they just ended. which yeah they just shut

they really shut the bed there now you can't use them or you got to bring them back in some weird way of like you've had some experience here with Morbius the portal thing at the end of no way home when they're all spiraling and there's cloud forms of like Craven and vulture like they're to acknowledge that like remember you see all that

is that because that was like oh my god finally sinister six maybe wow I mean but that's not as big to me where we're like you actually set up scorpion no no he's physically there yeah and and then on top of that too you have a great actor one who can who can fill those shoes i love the spider man movies like they're not my favorite but i do enjoy them quite a bit i feel like of any mc u movie that trilogy is the most like we have to pivot between the two like all three of them like from one to two they clearly set up a not may reveal at the end of one she just is cool with it in the second movie i mean at the end of the first movie they also uh you know established that's going to be a a storyline that's going to build, but then the end of the second movie, it clearly is setting up a

Craven movie. Like, he's on the run. People know who he is. And the third movie's like, hey, it's fine. Like, they, those movies are the most, like, the middle feels like it's missing something. And the post-credit scenes, I think, are a big part of that. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I, like, what makes a good post-credit scene?

What does make a good post-credit scene? Like, bless you, there's several variations to a good post-credit scene. I think Ryan Cougar really has a great understanding of it. He proved it with sinners, and I think he proved it with Black Panther, Wakanda, forever as well. Of those are probably my favorite kind of post-credit scenes now, where they feel of substance. It seemed like before, it seemed like the time before was setting up the next thing

and making that fucking amazing and, like, get you hyped and pumped. Like, starting the Avengers, Sam Jackson, brilliant. That was the story-selling and a cool moment. Yeah, and the start of the post-credit scenes was that. and now I think they have to evolve it's weird like post-credit scenes are a category where they do have to evolve a little bit beyond it can't just be guy walks in says funny name teaser yeah like to me that's that's what post-credit scenes become like if I didn't know comics it'd be like malo I'm moving up and then like disappeared like to me it feels if you don't know the name if you don't know the importance it's just someone speaking Latin at you and then going away in credits and everybody else they got it's going yeah I think they need to be scenes I think it needs to be story selling I think it needs to be you could have a new character in that storytelling, but it needs to have impact for the day-to-day viewer too. Yeah.

Like a good movie. Like you should care about the characters whether or not you know their name or not. So I feel like it can't just be like the Hercules scene where he just like stands up. He's like, hello, I'm Roy Kent. I like a, that's on the list. I like a post-credit scene that feels like an epilogue. I love centers because it was so impactful and interesting. And long.

And long. So it's obscene. It's not a post-credit scene. It's a whole thing. Yeah. Post-credit movie. And it's so good. All right.

What's next on the list? Next. So that was 2017 for Homecoming. After that is the Falcon and the Winter Soldier in 2021 in which Sharon Carter. Does it paid off in the Underwolds? No. Do you want the juicy spoilers about the power broker? I haven't even waiting for the power broker return.

They set her up. I completely forgot about this character until reading this list. If that's any indication. for you in the thunder yeah i mean sharon carter brought in in winter soldier starting a romance with cap yep in civil war then in falcon and winter soldier um turns villain because she's bitter towards steve rogers for hooking back up with peggy totally i don't know if you guys know that was part of the motivation totally a normal she was like how dare he time travel back in time that was mine and uh yeah then but they set her up as the power broker

this big villain and having heard jack shit about it four years ago i thought it would be in thunderbolts i thought they would actually pay that off i think uh or hawk i thought hawk i thought hawk i think thunderbolts is a sequel to the two properties you think it is in my opinion fogghamer's old room black widow but it is also i think very intentionally being like we got to do our own thing so i think her not being included might have been because it was a show who is the power broker in the comics basically a big entity like kingpin not quite to kingpin scale but someone that is like behind the scenes machinations and like running stuff and like important in crime i'd say medium important okay like on the scale of like the rose or like black tarantula what is the potential the power broker has them um i would say the power broker is one of those characters that were and this is no disrespect because we're fixing a lot of of built in 50s and 60s misogyny but to me the power broker felt like they were like we don't have enough female villains and like made the character have a villainous arc

and I feel like they would need to not have that be the only reason she's the power broker like I need her to have a plot you know what I mean like not just be so what I would do

with the power broker would be to have kind of like Baron Zemo an arc that feels like some redemption but then there's a betrayal at the end like you need to actually yeah she needs a dance scene

but like have a sequence where Sharon Carter is working on a clandestine mission you know allah thunderbolts where it's a bunch of people that aren't good guys but they're not bad guys and then have her end up betraying them like you need to give her some flesh on the meat of the story besides just like i'm bad now so like power broker could be someone pulling the strings and supplying chatari weapons like i would make her a chatari weapons dealer and someone that is dealing maybe with the um stones like maybe maybe she has like i would i would give her some power to broker and uh and also give her some context of why she's evil now okay that that is true yeah probably some context would be helpful some storytelling yeah because they did just drop she's like oh by the way that thing you've been waiting to find out who it is no art to get there at all so it seems like we've we've okay so far there's a pattern here um Mordow villain don't follow through

Mac Gargan scorpion villain don't fall through power broker power broker villain don't follow through what's next what's next well get ready gang The next one is a dual one. So, you know, you're half right. Shang Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings. Another 2021 release. You have the scene in which Katie and Shang Chi are introduced to Bruce Banner and Captain Marvel alongside Wong in hologram mode to analyze the Ten Rings.

And there is the scene where Gehling assumes the leadership of the Ten Rings organization. And therein is your villain. Well, they are following that up, right? Aren't they doing like a Ten Rings thingy? I'm in waiting, Greg. I don't think you're like a 10 ring show or something I've been waiting They said they were

I thought they were Well they're doing a Shane Chee Tuesday and she was such They said they were Aren't they? Yeah but like what the last time we heard They have to be 2025 Greg

To me I thought the plan was going to be Shang Chi into Shang Chi 2 In the King Dynasty I thought the arc was going to be Like how Captain America And Iron Man led into the Avengers films I thought Shang Chi was going to be leading In the King Dynasty because

Destin Daniel Cretton was directing it at the time I feel like when Kang Dynasty went away, Shung-2 went real different. Like, I feel like I meant I get that until after Secret Wars, which I don't know if we get anything with the old card. There was a rumored, yeah, 10 rings jelling-oriented spin-off, at least rumored,

but it's the current speculation that this will be folded into whatever becomes Shung-Chi to the wreckage of time or whatever they wind up calling that. Well, well, I wouldn't write that one off. Because of how people love Shang-chi, I wouldn't either. Yeah, yeah. And I feel like to get a sequel is still, I'm, at least I'm incredibly optimistic, they'll still get a sequel. It came out during a time when theaters were struggling and it did pretty good for the circumstances.

And it's a good movie. It's a good movie. People really liked it. There's a good movie. And, yeah, so I think it'll actually, I think that will get paid off. Yeah, I think that's only four years ago. I think what is already skipped over is the beacon is what the thing. with Bruce Banner hologram and Captain

I felt I think that was supposed to be tied into whatever the Marbles was or something with King and I think that for sure is dropped. I think Kang invented the 10 rings and that was going to be an element. I think that was going to be tying in the rings to Kang and that was going to pay off in Chung Chi 2 setting of Kang Dynasty. I felt like he was involved in the rings in some way and now I don't know.

And that was a really cool post-crediting. I think out of the four that we've listed so far, I mean, Scorp, that's not a great post-credit scene, but the excitement of Scorpion coming is really cool to me. And so I wish, I really wish they would just do it. Yeah. In fact, a brand new day, he'd be a great villain for brand new day. He's a small, like, to not cosmic scale villain. Yeah, he'd be very, he'd be a formidable foe.

Yeah. And that, but that post-credit scene is, I think, a great one. You know, when you do see them all together. Because there is an intrigue. it is something that has like a bit of there's an aura mystery intention to it where i i want we want to know like what is this calling what's a teasing it's not just a character showing up it's storytelling it's ominous yeah yeah so i wish it would get paid off i do worry though that they have dropped the 10 rings plot though remember when wong was just recruiting everybody yeah yeah there was

like five post credit seems wrongs that come through this portal that's what i mean it's like i feel like we're past whatever happened there yeah already i think in the timeline of It's already been canned, and now we're not going to follow up on whatever that is. But that is something where I think it has to be acknowledged. Also, 2021 of it all is a problem. Actually, be answered, though. I think that one might. Out of all that that we've talked about so far, that one should be the one that gets answered.

That's the first one I think we'll actually get a payoff for. There's too many people there. Scorpion as well, maybe, but. Yeah. Scorpion is a lot of unjust stuff about that. All right, what's one do next? For Scorpion, also we move along into another 2021 film and Koi's favorite Marvel film number one of all time Eternals

in which you have both Eros and Pip the troll offering to assist the Eternals as well as Dane Whitman discovering the ebony blade and rehearsal allie whispering into frame that may the most egregious of them all is we haven't seen ether of those people

in the last last one at all outside of Kingo it seems like they're pretty dead set on like hiding the Eternals from people that movie is so good But Kingo is... And Tiamut. Oh, yeah.

Cap gave us Tiamut back. That is true. But in terms of like the actual Eternal's characters, Kingo is the one they seem like, they love acknowledging Kingo. They love Kingo. But everyone else kind of not so much. It is pretty wild that you get Harry Stiles. At the height of his powers. International superstar.

Harry Stiles. that post credit scene with the one holly report of variety whichever one that when they when they did the article about it it was so big of an announcement that they leaked it yeah you know that they they just spoiled it because they had to know this is huge in fact that kind of is bigger than any thing of the movie yeah of in terms of what led to conversation and stuff and the future of that and the fact that stanos's brother there's so many things to there that i think I still feel like they could venture off that maybe they're probably

not going to do Eternals 2 ever But it'd be good to see them in doomsday It'd be cool yeah they're not He's really doomsday oh my god It's hit me right now They're not even fucking doomsday I think we get to see Harry Styles chair or the equivalent in the next batch of announcements

I 100% would hope for that Because people would lose their minds Because the visual of it Like I could see it that's such a pop Also like you have an Angelina Joe Lee Marvel movie And you're not doing anything with like that's crazy yeah it's kind of wild that we're not doing anything with the Eternals but that post-credit scene in particular is one that I think they could do like their own movie with that character they don't

even need to do like Eternals too or something it's a crazy Jim Starlin character it's such an interesting character I know Thor Love and Thunder isn't beloved I'm thinking though that they could do their thing where they do acknowledge the events of the you know how Thor 11 Thunder starts off with him with the guardians like oh yeah yeah we have to include this and we got to get it out of the way got to go i think they can use something like that with the turtles too they might because he lends itself to an air of comedy of of uh with with harry stock oh my god what the hell's his name um star fox yeah yeah yeah lends itself to a certain air of concession the way how he looks like he's portraying it with the little harry stuff swaggering yeah i mean he's like a sex god

like he's a character with them like that'd be interesting yeah i think especially in marvel but then again we saw clavicles and people clutch their pearls we can't have this in the marvel you know how would you even play him if we're so like but maybe that's why we haven't gotten more of it. It did feel adult-oriented without being, like, it's an adult-centric thing and it didn't do as well. This is the problem with the interconnectivity that we were talking about. Because Eternals is a property that cannot be dismissed like a power broker.

You know, like, you can hide a lot of shit that we're talking about and be like, yeah, oh, yeah, I totally forgot about that. But Eternals is a whole realm of celestial being and cosmos. and gods something was born of the earth like it has a moment it's huge it's huge and there was build up to getting the

eternals and it's a giant pantheon of characters and one that is supposed to interconnect with blade and the cast is so huge it eternals in a lot of ways is like Marvel's dark universe

the way how the dark universe launched as we got a franchise on our hands and we got something huge to offer you all we've got a new logo and dead on arrival 12 characters and internals and eternal silenced yeah internals has that weird mark where it's strange how they they they just want us to forget about it and then they do random shit to remind us about it like what if like what if like teemut uh hand and cap finally yeah and the kingo appearances but yet it seems like they're disregarding some major developments where and implications yeah

that don't seem like they're going to be acknowledged at all I feel like to have Doomsday be impactful. It's going to be hard to be an X-Men movie bringing the Fantastic Four all of the Avengers. And it's like it's, I think they want to throw as much at secret orders as they can. They might save any Eternals cameos for that. And it won't be a story-based thing. It'll be like, they're here to help fight. Yeah, but people were like taken to be judged at the end of it.

And that'll be like Thorward's like, we're back. Yeah, looking to be rescued as well. And Sprite probably aged up a lot. Oh, yeah. And, um, and yeah, I mean, the Dane Whitman one, though, that's, uh, that's definitely You're blades, you know, blading the long blade. I don't understand. Supposed to come out last year and this year.

Blade is so, plate is so straightforward. Hey, he's a vampire hunter. It's the most straightforward shit you can make it. He's a, what if, what if the only words ever uttered by Mahershala Ali's blade are, sure you're ready for that, Mr. Whitman? And that's all we ever get of him. God, I hope he had a good retainer. I hope they paid that man to not because, like, that he's such a good actor we just haven't had enough of because of that.

Like, we, he's finally got a movie this summer in Jurassic Park. I think that's his first movie since the Green Book. I think he won an Oscar and hasn't had a movie in five years. I'll say, though, I'm not a fan of that movie. We've talked extensively about it and have very long conversations. The Green Book? Yeah, the Green Book, especially. There's chicken wings.

let's get more of that impression I was waiting for more I don't even remember what he sounds like I've never seen the green book I was I was ready to experience the green book the most over the top like all I remember from it is him being like real Mortensen's so good at it but he's so

over the top he doesn't have that guy in a New York Italian restaurant accent so accentuated and maybe that's the person's based on real person maybe that's how they sounded I would love though for them to actually follow up with some type of it I don't think you should call it Eternals too I think you should call it eternal subtitle and whatever that is I think would be great I think I think they absolutely deserve a second shot I love the first movie like on ironically it's I know one of the ones I defend so loudly the director took notice so I I I couldn't have been a lot of us a multi-cona fan came up to you and I yeah and it was like oh and Coy by the way I I I'm one of the people, too, like, you like, I actually love Eternals. I'm sorry, Greg.

You're just going to be sorry to me for about you that. But I like that it's such a small group. Someone's like, I am one. I'm amongst this little club. I know. I'm like the shit on you for liking the journal. How dare you? I think it deserves a sequel.

I think they, in some capacity, beyond funny Kingo appearances. Yes, the actual cast. Yeah. I mean, even just like a few of the characters that aren't often. There's so much potential with those characters. And like, Paperboy. give him his justice i can't be a kid herrington in there and you can't it's it's crazy that's it is wow i did not expect to power up to i didn't expect to spend so much time on this man

but yeah it is fucking nuts wow knuck and futs we'll get what else is nuts we're moving into the year of the most prolific unpaid uh post credit scenes there are what five in 2022 oh my god two yeah from eternals to moon night before you say them this is what i was talking about i think this is why we see phase four and five as lesser it's not just the movies because if you look at phase five in my opinion it's half great half good or under it's all five post credit scenes in one year causes a lack of faith in the brand all right let's hear it moon night being the first conchew introduces mark and stephen to jake lockly their third altar who eliminates arthur harrow so is moon night season two happening i mean jake lockley's the biggest moon night character and the fact that they set him up to

not i hope so yeah that's why it was exciting to seem yeah but oscar isaac said it was happening and was like in egypt like yeah we're doing another one four three years ago yeah it's planned for moon night to return to the mc u in some form but there is no current plan for a second season wow which is surprising to say the least and that was one of the better ones yeah and that's with the guys that just ran daredevil like that was justin and mhmad diab like well i Diab didn't work in Daredevil, but I liked both sets of directors. I think their ending notes on their Disney Plus shows have very big impact, though. You know, that's the problem with those Disney Plus shows is a lot of them could be a great ride.

And if they botched their finale, that's what you leave people with. That's what I'm saying. You leave the restaurant fighting. You're not remembering the spaghetti. Yeah, you feel like there's a stain in the experience now because a lot of people seem to forget. That penultimate episode was one of the best episodes. Physi Plus TV. Psychologically challenging episodes ever of Busy Plus.

But then Kaiju's fought. Yeah, and we're like, all right. C cliche, yeah, I remember that. I think that was the only episode I didn't like. Yeah, I remember we were loving Moon Night and we were like, this is one of the best Disney Plus shows. And then within a few months we were like, it's a Moon Night. And like, we're weird part of that. Like we, I don't think highly of Moon Night overall.

I think highly of the experience of watching Moon Night, but I'm not like, I want to rewatch Moon Night. Yeah, it's fucking, yeah, Oscar Isaac out of your hands. Yeah, he had Ethan Hawke. Yeah. Who's dead now, but you had Ethan Hawkins. He was great. Not the actor. Not the actor, but the character.

wow um that is that is kind of boggling my mind now yeah that post credit scene was such a great setup because i it's like as we're doing this my thoughts are are zigzagging because it brings me back to not just the post credit scene every single one of these has been making me go back to the anticipation of the of the property yeah the lead up to the property then experiencing the property then the post yeah exactly like all every trailer for moon night like we'd get up at 6 a.m. and be your old place just like all right, moon night. And it'd be so excited for those two minutes. And then the last

episode like... And it was a great week to week experience and cultural infusion and mystery with great, like a brilliant acting by Oscar Isaac with a supernatural like character who could fit into... The Whirlp by night stuff

and with like the things that the Dr. Strange could have led into. And also I'd say it and Wanda Vision are the two biggest like She Hulk commentary things. I'm Where it's like the last beat is just punching. I'm sorry, Coy. I'm totally forgetting the midnight suns. That is definitely a midnight suns start.

Exactly. And the wonders that they could pull off if they just did a midnight suns. If they just announced that shit and then you get Moon Knight in there, you can even throw a blade in there. I feel like that might be a downplay for Harsalli, but to go from that to a TV show. But you could do a movie. They just pulled it off with Thunderbolts. You could do a midnight sun's movie. Yeah, 100%.

um call them dark avengers so do you think we'll get a payoff to that like what what is the metric then that quantifies it as a success to stick around and and tv shows have less impact like if you did it's easier to sell people i think it's easier to sell people on an eternals two which is not as liked as moon night than it is to sell people and get the butts to go watch moon night season two than it is to uh watch um you know how this is supposed to Also the nature of those butts watching. Yeah, get those butts watching. But also the nature of the post-credit scene you're speaking to specifically, you can't have the Jake Lockley pay off be in a movie. Because then you're just like, oh, there's three of us now, fight, fight. Like, it has to be an ongoing story. Like, Jake Lockley's not going to have impact in Doomsday.

Yeah, yeah. Everybody's been like, it's Moonnight. They're not going to care. So, like, it has to be a show. So that's a lot of time and money to set aside. I don't think that one gets paid off, unfortunately. That really sucks. Because I love Jake Lockley.

I love Moon Night. I love Oscar Isaac. And Jake, and you're right. about the personality he's the big one is the biggest person that's why I was so bold wondering when Jake Lockley's gonna come and when's it's smart to save him and tease him and that was when Marvel was really like we're gonna make

three seasons in a movie and I thought the show was huge yeah wasn't not huge I thought the numbers were good it was I think it was the first one to get a Blu-ray release because it was like so big I think but yeah it was like cinematic flourishes and is that the first Justin and Aaron show? In Marvel yeah yeah that was that like you know they started

with Marvel because they're so psychedelically like crazy visual yeah here we are damn no jaclockley uh that that's not gonna get paid off is it that sucks yeah one of five that year i think they could pay it i think they i would love for them to do a sequel man i really would even if it was a special i'd love a special presentation of jake lockley and moot night yeah that's that's something maybe and that's like a character that would be so cool this you interact with like daredevil yeah you know oh man defender show special presentation after punisher they're on something with their streets department in marvel the way with daredevil born again i'm street level yeah street level i think i think

i think daredevil born again has set the stage reset the stage for what they could do and the fact that they are going to be having the punisher special they already have season two in the works um already like almost on shooting this is their opportunity now if they want to bring back a moon night thunderbolts also feels beautifully like the right director okay i believe that johnny damn that really sucks i didn't expect to like this to like sadden me today remember payoffs not paying off get ready because this one uh this next one is perhaps one of the most sad and most cathartic uh because it's a dual post credits uh oh

and it's also from 2022 uh we get both the freeing of pizza papa as well as the introduction of claya charlie's therein in dr strange in the multiverse of madness i could not believe that Pizza Papa got his own post-credit scene and I'm now hearing it am even more incredulous that like I like Sam Ramey a lot and like the post-credit scene thing of it has to be huge is is you know in part the fans fault but pizza Papa was something people waited for and I just felt like the Captain America beam like that him turned in the chair around I was like okay and then when Clea showed up and I was like but the third eye it's gone so no stakes okay cleop sure oh yeah i forgot about the ending with a third eye

god i was like what is going talking about right now uh yeah he was in all that pain it was like an actual ramification because man magic has a cost should have ended there yeah you should have it should have ended there or had your post credit seem back to have the third eye it's it's i'm sure expensive but not that expensive it's the whole point is that magic has a cost and you can't just blend into the world clea's here he's fine i i've been in a cummergatch is not on the list for doomsday right not that we saw i mean he has to be in secret wars um but yeah when i when now that i'm thinking about it like that third eye thing is is as much of a post credit as it gets actually even though it's not it's like the ending moment of like oh my god yeah and that's why

i think they had pizza papa's because it's like okay we're going to leave it on on high stakes but then the other post credit scene is not i think the cleo's post credit seed is awful it's it's so totally all over the place and like her that's the appearance of Charlie's there in the MCU. I don't think she knows who the character is in that. I don't think they know who the characters. They just put her in purple. I think it looks like cosplay.

It feels like a Power Rangers cut scene. Like an old Brian Cranston Power Rangers. Like there's, it's emotionless. Yeah. There's no momentum. It's, it's confused on what tone they're trying to convey.

So like, let's be somewhere in the middle where they're going on an adventure. But it does. It's lit like a bad set. Like the whole thing. It doesn't excite you. There's no, nothing really compelling about it for a character where,

I mean, Hey, you guys, Charlie Staron, Oscar winning Charlie Staron. In her franchise era, so she's happy to be here. Yeah, she's doing fast movies. She's doing Marvel movie. Like, it's not like that's the problem. Yeah, yeah, she can do all genres. Yeah.

So she's not the problem. But yeah, that post credits, though, was a, not a good one that I could totally see, though, be being. It's weird. I keep saying that, like, I could see me paying off. The lead of Doomsday. Charlie Starran invented a Cumberbatch in a Doctor Strange movie. Also, you need magic. I mean, come on, man.

How cool would that be? You need magic for Doomsday, though. So maybe she does get her time because you're going to need a Clea type figure. Well, they have, I think they are going to undoubtedly do a Dr. Strange dream. Multiverse of Madness was a hit. One of the biggest of Phase 4. And people love the Doctor Strange character. In the what if series, isn't he like the only one?

In all three seasons? He's kind of like the through line. Is he in the third season? No, wait, no. Just two seasons. You're right. But he was, his character, but I'm saying it's Benedict Cumberbatch who's playing him, too. And with Benedict Cumberbatch being the one of playing him,

isn't even the animated show and how huge of his alt version was for France. And huge his main version is. And then it's, and then to be an infinity war where he's one of the biggest moments. Yeah. I think I'm, uh, I think they will do a Dr. Strange three. I guess the question is, will they follow through on this plot setup when you, we've, already seen in this conversation that they're willing to totally can original sequel ideas. Yeah. And maybe they'll can another sequel idea and not even acknowledge it or maybe

just dismiss it. And that's what made the best with Scarlet Witch is they didn't follow Dr. Strange 1. So will they not follow Dr. Strange 2? And what's Sam Ramey doing? Anyway, yeah, that's a big one. It was like the thing is as we're talking, the problem with these post credit scenes too is as we're talking about it, we started so much talking about interconnectivity at the beginning is that I don't even see how these all like together right into the same like universe or what culmination it's supposed to build into in some way

because I really think the Kang thing threw them so much I think they really had a big plan I think they had a really big plan before the pandemic and then the pandemic threw off a lot of stuff and then I think the Kang thing threw off whatever they solved like I feel like they're like okay we fixed it and then like the king thing is like no and so because the pandemic messed up so many shows and movies and then the the Kang situation they were like we got to do all this

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The fact that Chris Hemsworth is in. Avengers Doomsday makes me go, I don't think they are going to pay this on because what? They would just skip over this unless of course they have his adventure in Doomsday and then Secret Wars and then they do a Thor 5 where they then fall through with this. I don't know if they would do that. He's been advocating for a Thorough 5 so much. I don't know if that happens, but I know he wants a totally different tone, less comedic, et cetera.

I would hate, I think that would be amazing. I would hate for, I would hate for it to end on Thor 11th Thunder because of the reception. Yeah, same. I think he absolutely for the worst. He's been there from the beginning. He deserves. He deserves a solid one to go out on it. And post Mad Max, I want to see more of him.

Yeah, part of my concern is that they're going to kill him off in like Secret Wars or something. Yeah, to be like, mistakes. Yeah. But the fact that he is in those movies also makes me heavily doubt that they're going to follow through with this. I think Hercules shows up. You think Hercules will be in Dunezay? I think Brett Goldstein pops up in Secret Wars or Dismstay. And does what?

Fights. Just fights? Yes. I don't feel like they'll make the Hercules the big bad of five if they make it. But I feel like they'll be like, we have all these post credit scenes. Sandbox fight.

Like I feel like that's what's going to happen. A lot of these characters. I don't understand why they did that post credit scene too. I'm slowly recalling when Brett Goldstein talked about getting that role. Like weeks out. Yeah, not having really any idea what it was and what they're doing and then he has to show up and just shoot this thing with that with very little

information that's how charlie's therein's dr trane scene feels this era feels like people standing up and saying they're blah blah blah yeah what i was saying at the top is not how you post credit scene like how when captain marvel she had to do i i forget what did she do this the the scene in infinity war she there was some scene she shot first it was an infinity war i think she was in a movie before yeah infinity war before captain marvel they had a they had a scene what's she had she had a i remember she had a scene where she in the captain marvel post yeah and and uh did she shoot that first yeah i think that and then like before anything yeah yeah it's like we don't know the character yeah exactly they throw the actors into like tough like interesting conundrums

when they have to like figure out timeline and who their characters what's your backstory i just got it i just got the screen yeah yeah because everything with line reading and acting comes down to to backstory and intent, everything behind the words. Instead of just saying the words and feeling the moment or some shit. Lived experience is what you need to feel from the actor. And if you haven't lived it yet. Yeah, yeah. And it's different.

Like voice acting, I would say it requires the same caliber, but you can manipulate more if you're just doing voice acting where you can do multiple takes so you can blend it together in the editing versus something like that. And that's why I think the Charlotte's there one feels flat. Weirdly, the Breed Larson one didn't feel flat at all, though, on that post-credit scene, I think.

When you first encounters the Avengers. yeah um but yeah the hercules one highly doubt that's gonna come true I don't think it's gonna happen I don't know Brett Goldstein I mean what is what's doom supposed to be at

in this level of the game is he a god I assume they're just gonna jump there I think they're gonna do God and Per Doom way too quickly I think by the end of the movie he's a god I think he's gonna take

thanos's spine out and do that comic moment and they're gonna be like he's a big bad and then they'll be like uptight I'm really trying not to uh give further festivistic.

Hey, you know what? The Russo Brothers are making an Avengers movie comes out next year. I'm excited about those words. Me too. Those are the words I'm excited about and those are the words I'm going to choose to hold on to.

Avengers movie. 11 and a half months. I'm like, I mean, he was fantastic for comics and every time Doom appears. He's so impactful, dude. He's so important. He's one of my favorite villains. I know.

And I think it's, it's, it's, it feels. to me the is okay oh fuck i'm going to it you're doing it gregg you said you didn't want to me like a little doom rant here of my concern is the when i hate certain time jumps in some and how tv shows you sometimes handle them when i feel like well we miss so much like plot and character development because of this time jump and i i think that's how it feels with dr doom being the main big baddie who will bring us all these characters together and then secret wars the very next movie feels like we are going like totally skipping over why it feels so cool

when doom gets to that point in secret wars into the comics decades where you watch a dude literally rise to this power and mainly starting off via the personal animosity and vendetta with the Fantastic Four and yeah watching how his his further influences into the world you know like I'm in that arc right now

where they're like the inhumans should be banned the hell with the inhumans and he's offering a land for where the inhumans can stay and his polarizing opinions I'm like oh these like political machinations that the doctor dooms pulling off him being a dictator

of Laverius fascinating yeah I could watch a doom movie before I watch Doom and all of the Avengers yeah and I think it's a time it feels like they're skipping over a lot of stuff it's not the same as yeah we've already seen this person's origin a bunch we don't need to see it I'm like it goes far beyond that I don't know we don't even need to see the origin really it would be nice to but we don't even need to see the origin even if you even if you skip only the origin you are skipping over so much stuff that gets to him being Godhambert you could do three phases on doom yes yes phases he could be

the back of all things and instead it's like it's happening next year and and i think i honestly if rdj was coming back for that if if they wanted to actually commit to their else worlds instead of rushing to their culmination avengers movie because they need an avengers movie or something we could have really built this rebuilt it up with like a few fantastic four movies dude 10 appearances of downy is doom i'd be so much more excited for than two imagine how rewarding it would be to to have like two fantastic four movies that are not connected to the main timeline and then they come into ours

and then that's yeah that's special and now like about a year ago when you and I did the first like sit down diary was like a while back when you asked me about Downey and Doom that was like one of the first clips we clipped out of me being like this is why I'm stressed now that you're reading the character

does that make more sense for me? Absolutely. Because he's so cool. Yeah yeah absolutely anyway I'm done with that next next up is a thick boy and a thick lady it's a she-hulk attorney at law

we had a big medley of post-credit scenes which include the humorous moments such as Jennifer Walters assisting her family Wong's friendship with Madison with a why but not where you think and a dance sequence with Megan the stallion Wong also breaks Emil Blonsky out of prison taking him to Camartage

Oh my God Emil Blonsky and then we have the son of all this stuff at the dinner Scar wouldn't it be crazy if Neil Blomski was in Captain America for any reason because Hulk's were all in that or wouldn't have been a crazy i mean guys i mean wong wong seems like he's building up something

with shang chi yep with emil blonsky seems like he's building up his own little inner team another team yeah yeah we i mean it's been a little bit uh wongers and i think that would be pretty sweet actually if they did pull that off all these alternate

versions of hulk because we can't seem to you get our hulk to be angry so we have to have alt let's have abomination we'll have kid Hulk Maybe Hulkling I'm a kid Hulk here She Hulk, Kid Hulk

All the other Hulk Except for the actual Hulk But Maybe that way I'm saying but this whole episode Anyway Yeah that sounds That's this point

Is Scarville come back? No Megan the Stallion though They made it a joke They just made it a joke When that's like a big character Yeah And I mean it's tricky

Because Hulk is one of the only characters where I'm like I don't feel like we've had Hulk for a while and I was okay with smart Hulk for a bit but like it's been too long I feel like professor Hulk has served his purpose I think she Hulk has that's the problem with she Hulk though is it has the ability to kind of make fun of all the setups the fact that they're doing this yeah and be self-parodying about it with like yeah we're just tossing this in here because we're fucking Marvel that's the danger of Deadpool and she Hulk it's the joke right but then it goes well are you just disposed of them. Yeah. Are they not relevant?

Are they not going to factor in now to the actual canon and further stuff? And with that reception, I don't know if those scenes will ever matter. I mean, he literally, fine, gets his son. Yeah. And like, the Hulk is a major character in She-Hulk, and it's like not considered when people talk about the

MCU. And we haven't heard Jack's shit about Bruce Banners. In Doomsday. Or in Doomsday or Super Wars and Mark Ruffalo's been real tight-lipped about it all as well. For the first time in his career. I know, right? Especially for this. Remember on Instagram? Start live The premiere

The screening of Which one was the Thor Ragnon? Like 20 minutes of the movie Have you ever seen the clip of him Revealing that everyone dies Ingame, which on Cheatel? Oh wait until you see the next one Everyone dies at that one

Like how does that pass your brain It's so crazy And it seemed like a It seemed like a sarcastic bit Yeah That they were doing And then you watch it And re contextualized you're like

I never saw the clip before the movie Oh yeah I didn't see it until after That I was like How did this happen? And, like, Don Cheadle's, like, and then, well, it's one of those where it's, like, absurd enough to be a joke. But also when you know it's real, you're like, dude, what do you do it?

It is so much worse knowing it too. But, yeah, okay. Mark Ruffalo, learn PR. Scar, I mean, Daredevil Bornigan doesn't even acknowledge is really, outside of the suit doesn't acknowledge Jennifer. Yeah. Well, I thought they had great chemistry. I love their chemistry.

I watched, uh, yeah, someone on YouTube uploaded all, like, the Daredevil scenes from She Hulk, and I watched all that. And I forgot how fun, Charles. Cox was in that. So charming. And how seamlessly he worked for such a serious ass show and character. How seamlessly he worked into this different tone

and how great his chemistry was with Jennifer Walters. And I wish they would acknowledge it or do something with it. I would like her to, I would like his show showick season two so Daredefu could be in there. But I don't see how she'll could be in Daredeffle Born Again. Yeah. I

also think that that episode of Daredeville Born Again that was apparently in the original was an interesting look into what the Daredevil in a show that could have tied into Sheilk would have felt like when it was going to be like, you know, shorter form, a little more sitcom-y. It was interesting to see that show. Like that episode

would be like, I guess maybe that's how you go back into She-Hulk, but now it's like so dark I can't see She-Hulk with him. I think the Incredible Hulk is this weird dark horse in Marvel. I don't even know. I'm using that term properly. What does that mean? Dark horse is like the

underdog, like the one that wins that you don't expect like the dark horse and wrong choice of words then also a great comic company uh they are that's why i was trying to infuse it okay they are a bit of a black sheep i would say oh the opposite of a dark horse yes because they bring in abomination finally back yeah and what happens there just because how many people genuinely remember the specifics of what happens with abomination right Can you recall? I don't even... I thought they were going to pay off.

Remember, they were, like, trying to get Shee Hulk's blood, and there was something with abomination and the Sheilk blood and all that. I thought that was going to tie into Captain America. Yeah, see, the time of Captain America. Captain America ends up being this, like, weird Hulk sequel. And how do you not use the blood thing? Yeah. They set up the thing in Jap didn't use it.

Thunderbolt Ross brought back, and so much of him, I bet he doesn't like me and... I bet he doesn't believe I could change it. few lines and then you finally bring Betty back. Yeah. Who is Bruce Banner's ex-girlfriend? Also, you bring back Betty Ross from a movie 18 years ago with a new

Thunderbolt Ross and like try to let that be fine. No Bruce Banner to speak of and give her one scene to try to be like impactful. Yeah. They pay out the, bring the leader in Samuel Stern to bring the leader in. And this, they've had this thing where they're trying to bring back Hulk

franchise or weird adjacent sequels. Yeah, I think That's over now. And it's had a rough road, unfortunately, these incredible Hulk follow-ups. I feel like everything involving Hulk has a different, like, negative connotation. Like, Scar and She-Hulk and Captain America 4. It's interesting how that's, like, all of it. Kind of universally.

Even Hulk is less loved. Yeah. I'm not, I would love Angry Hulk again. Yes. I'm not going to lie, though, man. I do love fucking Smart Hulk. Professor Hulk, I think he has to his purpose, but I think we've done it. I think Mark Ruffalo is just so good.

He's so good. He's great and in an end game. I loved him in that. But man, that First Avengers, the way Hulk, like, and you look,

I think he looked better in the First Avengers. I think that's the best look in Hulk who had, which is crazy. I mean, because they gave their artist time then. I think,

the final fight in Hulk, um, in the Incredible Hulk, they, they shot that on location, on real sets and stuff and, and, uh,

makes a massive world of difference. And I love them. It made me love the whole movie. Yeah. But every time I'll rewind. I'm like, oh yeah, I only like like, I really love like scenes in this movie, but the ending note is so good that I forget about, oh yeah, there's a lot of this journey that I'm not like super engaged by, but that ending fight, genius. One of the things I like about Thunderbolt so much, again, not a spoiler, is it's super practical. And that to me was so dope to be watching something and be like, oh, we can still do this.

They still let them because I feel like so much is on the volume, so much is. on these green screen so much as this and to watch a movie that felt like a movie that didn't feel like a show that's long like it felt so real and tangible it made me hopeful that that's what they also are aware of going forward is building stuff it's funny like and or season two i didn't know this there's the actual i learned from a screen crush video like there's certain locations like certain locations in corassant um where like oh this is actually a location in italy apparently the senate is a real place and i literally thought they were making it look like hall hick Comic-Con? Because all the lattices

and the wide bill, I thought it was Hall H. And they're like, no, no, that's a real place. I was like, what? Their exteriors, a lot of their exteriors are popular locations and then they digital over some of it. But they're using actual locations instead of the volume. More of that. It's been insane to watch that show and have the inverse

experience where you see a beautiful landscape and you're like, oh, but I can kind of see how this would be a volume. And then you watch Andor's season two and you're like, wait a minute, I think this is a real building. This just looks too extensive to not be real in some major. capacity. Yeah.

And it's so refreshing. It's like when we watch the fugitive, I was like, oh, they made movies where they crashed a tree. Like, it's so nice to see stunts and things. It's one of the reasons I'm so excited for Mission Impossible. Do hell, I was watching Tropic Thunder. And I was like, oh, my God. This is, I did not remember how fucking expensive.

So well directed that masterpiece of comedy. Yeah. And they, like, for a joke about the, the explosions going off too soon, they really blew up those. Yeah. I was like, you're nuts. I'm also hoping the Mission Impossible that there's less CGI and stuff. because of the like the pandemic had to rewrite some i think it's going to land really well but i think a

huge part of why we love that franchise is like it feels like a place it feels all tangible so i'm really excited for that it's movie magic john what's next all righty this one we've got some time and breathing room for 2022's black panther wakonda forever sure he meets tusson okay her nephew and son of tachala who reveals his wakondin name okay for sure that will get paid off yeah i think that ties into the young abender stuff yeah this i would put this on the category of like oh we're just waiting yeah three years is very recent again one of my favorite post credit scenes of all time and uh ryan coogler is doing black panther three so undoubtedly that's going to get paid off in somewhere denzel he grows into denzel yeah it's canon all right in three years after wakonda

forever we move on to 2023 ant man the best one ant man the wasp quantumania the council this one's for sure happening council of can this one hey man magazine dreams it came out It was a smash. The Council of Cangs discusses multiversal threats. And while this got paid off, Loki and Mobius observe Victor timely in the past. Man, that scene. Well, the Loki stuff's great.

Yeah, I feel like Kang is the easiest decision there. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Man, I liked him in Quantumania, I think, didn't I? John Major did it? Yeah, he's the part of that's good. he's the best of it by a lot yes yes he is i like ants michael douglas is that you i think that the the what's craziest to me about this whole

experience quantum mania was the start of the downfall what's craziest to me about this whole experience is that was only two years again yeah i remember i remembered like being baffled and shooting my out of the theater like my one minute one yeah it's like i i I actually, I really don't like this movie. I had that, like, I did an eight minute one in like three to four minutes in my hype of having just seen a Marvel movie faded in real time. And like, it was like halfway through review. I was like, oh, no.

And I see the light leave my eyes in my review. And I think it was like, oh, Marvel movie. And I think that's kind of how we all started feeling. It surely dampen, okay, look, if Jonathan Majors didn't have all the legal troubles that occurred, I think they would have still stuck with the plan with some rewrites. I think I think they would have like made some pivots, made a little bit of changes. Especially post-Loki, which is incredible. I mean, he was in, Jonathan Majors was insanely good in Loki.

He showed he could play multiple versions of Kang if you gave him enough time to pull it off. If you gave him enough time to chew on it. Not whatever those, what I called SNL cameos of like Ramatut and stuff. Like those versions, it just looked like a guy. damn joke to me yeah and then the council of kings uh i can iconic moment in comics uh translated just does not not everything works it just doesn't feel real uh uh and it doesn't feel like multiple characters i think when you have an actor playing multiple characters it usually takes some time for an audience to quickly to to adjust to them playing multiple characters i agree on

screen. Sinners is like going to be one of the best movies of the year for most people who are like film officinados. And I think for most people it still takes a little bit of time and it has nothing to do with Michael

B. Jordan's talent as an actor because he's incredible in the film as both roles. It just takes a little bit of time to adjust to scene and play two people. So when you're throwing in like a billion kings Yeah. We need a minute. Thanks to, I'm like, I don't know about this.

Does it? Because I'm hyper aware that it's, I think most people are too hyper aware that he is not in the same room with himself, you know, this is, you feel it. He's doing a separate take as this guy. And that illusion needs time to settle into. So I don't think it's a good idea to do that. Not as a post-credit scene. Also, it raises so many questions of like most of them look like him. There's like a, you know, a deformed one.

But like, they all look. like him save for a couple exceptions. And a lot of them behaving like dumb asses. Yeah. And so like it asked the question of like what are multivert like what are variants what are multiple like it's like are they all the same? Is it a nexus being what's going on? Well you have three who are clearly in charge and the rest are like who pass the ball. Oh yeah you know just a bunch of jocks that's why that guy was the genius because this is what we're dealing with. Why are you cheering and what are you cheering for? Who are you cheering? It's just you. Yeah. Why are you all like, ah!

Oh! Like, we're touching this. It's a stupid-ass I was going to see it. It is bad. It is a wild-eyed energy they put on that. It is like so over the top as to be like watching Space Jam 2 or something like that. Yeah.

You have all the like weird like spirit Halloween costume. Yeah. Yeah, it's true that you're right. They all like they all, so there's like three incredibly distinct kings who speak with different rhythms. and voices and look totally different thousands of the same ones and like a couple of scrolls you know it's like house of cosby's every 10th kang is extraordinary and the other nine in between are really sort of yeah janky and they all dress alike yeah and this is coming off of the scene when ant man just beat him you know yeah and coming up when ant man beats the most powerful of them and then goes like

wonder if there are any consequences to that yeah that was the end aunts first take him down and then that man beats him and i don't care i don't care what freaking semantics people want to play with that shit where they want to defend that in someone like no they beat ants they still beat him i like ants that's all you need to know so yeah

remember bill Murray was in that movie oh my god you're right I cannot wait to watch that back I saw you go no yes yes in real That was a priceless movie moments.

Oh shit, he was in that movie. Yeah, he's got history with, you know, Michelle Pfeiffer. Ant Man and the Wasp Quantum Mania, folks. A movie of Enigma. It's so weird because when you look back at like phase one and two and three, I could just say phase one, two, three. When you look at those phase one through three, it's so easy to recall those films. And this was two years ago

And I mentioned someone One of the biggest comedians of all time From two years ago Certainly not It's two years and so much of what we're unpacking With all this like oh my God How can I forgot? I forgot Remember and you were like I don't know if there's enough

To talk about in all the post credit seats We were texting I'm like Greg there's a lot Okay so yeah that's an awful one And that's very rich fame Definitely not happening that one We're definitely not falling through That's the safest bet right there It's the safest bet of 100% not happening.

The biggest post-credit scene, for sure. The biggest one is the most not happening. The whole list, the biggest one. But definitely not happening. Setting up an Avengers film. Yeah. That will no longer exist. I mean, think narratively wise of how people try to defend that shit when they go through.

Well, no, it wasn't the. It was more of the plan. It was the time pool. It's a time fair. We just got sucked in time. The ants only helped. But even think about how they try to say, well, actually, you know, look at the original plan.

Maybe this was already. I've heard people. say this of when you look at how Loki season two ends that is wrapping up the King's story I'm like then that's a terrible post credit scene in Quantummania What a terrible narrative and then also one? Yeah so King and the

your post credit scene is all these people coming together to go whoop some ass and claim worlds or whatever and and then it's supposed to get ended in the Loki season two finale I think in hindsight it's a good end thing but they have nothing to do with

also it just ended and then your next scene is teasing loki season two where it then ends yeah i it's a mess so uh john looks thanks 2023 all right the last one of the list for now twenty 23 is the marvels monica rambo awakens in an alternate universe meaning variance of her mother and beast the cg i beast from x-men was was uh siana paris in um that's her name right Was she in the Doomsday Chairs? No. But Beast is? Yeah.

It's got to be that beast. Got to be that beast. I think. But Bree Larson's on it. No, not a lot of lady chairs. But yeah. Avengers Dudes Day. Avengers Dude's Day.

May 2026. Not up this May. Bro's gonna bro. Downey's back. I think this has been almost paid off in the chair. bears minus tiana paris but i think she'll be back i think doomsday i think this is going to pay off well yeah i mean the the setup of that is tying into this is is it more about beast than it is about what's going on with mona caramba yeah yeah of course you want to know uh but the pop the pop the pop

comic accurate beast on is what's happening with beast yeah so yeah that'll get paid off yeah that's that's dooms day next year and then no no 2024 i mean we've had not on this list but i think i guess is what's the what's the statute of limitations for not for not paying off yeah well no i mean it's 2024 so we need it's 25 right oh my god you're right halfway okay uh what movies came out last only one deadpool wolverine but there was three shows right deadpool wolverine had no post credits in that would tie i think we covered them right did what what was deadpool wolverine's post credit scene i know i remember genuinely don't remember what it is. I remember the end credits

was the X-Men with Green Day. Oh my God. There had to have been. It's Johnny Storm saying all that stuff. Oh, that's right. It was like a cutscene. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Thank you. Uh, and then shows last year we had what if, which is done. We had

missed, no, not Miss Marvel. That was two years ago. What was last year? Miss Marvel, the mutant. The mutant payoff. That's Dumes Day. I mean, that was in show. Yeah, that's right. Because the music. Echo and Agatha all along were last year... Echo in 97.

Yeah, I mean, Echo got followed up on. And then Agatha will be. Agatha has an ending. Yeah. And that, again, that's something that we have to wait to see before we can declare like they're not... So I think we're caught up. Yeah, we're caught up. All right, guys, well, in the comments, it would be great if you could let us know

which one of these post-credit scenes are you most disappointed by not being followed up on. What a journey that just was. Yeah, that was way long. than I thought it would be. I thought it was going to be like a fucking breeze. And now discuss the tariffs. Yeah, we're good today. All right. Well, thank you, Koi, for holding the fort down here. It was a journey we went on. I'm shocked at what we did and didn't remember.

Like, I'm genuinely shocked at something. Pull the table of a free boy. But that's just crazy. Some things were so unpacked. We're like, of course that happened. And then other things I was like, Bill Murray. But yeah, crazy. What a journey, guys. I think we got some questions.

Do we? Fan questions. Aren't we segueing into the end of the show? You're segment to the end? Time. Nah, that was a warm-up. Here's some fan questions. Go watch this now. Question with the patrons. All right, we got two today. So what's the first one, Johnny? All right. First question comes from

Thomas Doherty. I apologize if this question sounds rude. Oh. It's okay. But truly, just curious of Koi's thought process. Why do you like Man of Steel, even though Superman's personality isn't comic accurate? But you are worried

about the Fantastic Four being good because Johnny Storm and Mr. Fantastic's personalities are not comic accurate. I think it's a difference of sharing a universe that is aiming at one certain tone and then something starting a universe. I really think Man of Steel is one of the most visually stunning

and atmospheric comic book anythings. I think it's an incredible adaptation in a way that I don't see the main character as, but others do. and I'm not the be all end all purveyor. You know, I talk about comics a lot, but I didn't write them. So my take on Superman happens to differ from that take.

So I can appreciate the film as a different experience of Superman than I might have, and I can watch it and enjoy it, but I don't feel like it's the comics. I don't feel like it's the character how I see them, whereas Fantastic Four is melding into a universe that is largely how I see these characters. I see the MCU as not directly adapting the comics by any means, but certainly, you know, making them much more akin to how I see them. So my experience just comes from this is the 37th film in an ongoing franchise

versus Man of Steel started a universe. And when Man of Steel started that universe, it made a tone. Like you can't argue that BVS was also in the Man of Steel tone. Justice League is absolutely in the man of steel tone. So I think that's the difference. I don't know if that answers the question, but I feel like when I saw Man of Steel, I went, oh, what a, what a fascinating take. I enjoy this.

It's not how I see the character. When I look at Fantastic Four, I go, I'm going to hopefully enjoy this. These are my thoughts on the character that is completely different than mine. And I think I'll enjoy it like I enjoy Man of Steel, but I feel like I'm also going to have a similar experience where that'll be part of my review. If the character is the same in the film as he feels in the trailers, I feel like I'll be having a similar review where I'll be describing the beautiful work from Matt Shackman, the stunning imagery, the tone, all those things working, but then me not necessarily feeling like my favorite character in the Fantastic Four is that character. So I think they're going to be similar. I think

you asked how that it's different, but I think they're going to be similar. Well, I think the expectation is also different in a lot of ways. Superman has been done correctly in terms of accurate representation of him i mean the christopher reeve adaptation is a classic for a reason and it is the biggest iteration of superman and it stood the test of time because it feels looks everything about it feels like superman and they've had a correct correct is probably not the right word because then it sounds like i'm saying man this something is incorrect yeah i think people know what i mean though by this feels like the actual version of superman whatever you think about lex or whatever you think about lex or whatever

fine whatever but christopher reeve nailed it fantastic four has yet to have that fantastic all four of them not at all no and i would say i mean michael jordan and chris evans did do a pretty good job but the movies did it no exactly and chris evans was incredible and he was the highlight from those that's why people were jazzed about seeing him appear in deadpool and wolverine however if you are going to be bringing in the fantastic four into the mc u i think what people want is something what a lot hope for is the most accurate version that you could possibly ascertain from the comics. Especially after it's been earned by the MCU paving the way. It's not starting something.

It's continuing something. We've built trust. Yeah. The MCU is a powerhouse and no matter what, people will show up. So now is the time to get it right. Yeah. And I think Fantastic Four, there's been a lot of championing to get this right for a long time, long, long time.

Every 10 years. When it got into the hands of Marvel Studios finally, that was the golden opportunity to do it. Yeah. And so it's different. It's different. Whereas you can accept, I think it's easier to accept the new

Superman at a certain point, which grand, you don't mind a lot of people didn't. And I would say there's a pretty big divide on that. We already had so much Superman by that point. We haven't had that much fantastic for it. And we're not guaranteed to get as much fantastic for. And I also think there's something to be said to how I do all of my content.

I am always looking for the things I like in something. So I think like just the question, like how can you like Man of Steel and be worried about Fantastic Four? It's because I will still sing the praises of the things that work for me and Fantastic Four just as I have. I've been very clear about how I'm excited I am

for Evan Moss-Pocrack, how I'm excited I am for Vanessa Kirby, how excited I am for Matt Jackman's world. All of those things will be part of my review and I'm going to focus on them. But if I don't like the Johnny Storm take, I will be clear on it. So I think it's tricky

because I think people are more comfortable and more used to people highlighting criticisms, whereas I put those as like the bottom on the addendums. I front load, even if I don't see something as my style of thing, I'm still going to lead with the stuff I like first, even if it's like 10% of it. That's still going to be what I come out with. Let's let's play a little game here. Okay, a little game. Imagine this, but everywhere. Lights, cameras? We know that from, right?

That's a fantastic four. That's Chris Evans, the first fantastic for. Oh, yes. Sorry, I was a very obscure reference. I was unprepared for a quote. That's, I mean, the main thing. I haven't actually seen all of that movie. That's the main thing I associate with that movie.

Nicely done. So my point with that is Chris Evans in that movie, even from the trailer, looks like a goddamn highlight. If you don't know anything about Johnny Storm, is there really something in there? If you don't know anything about Johnny Storm or know the actor Joseph Quinn, I don't know how you could see Johnny Storm in there and be like, oh, I'm so excited for this character. Outside of if you've never happened to see human torch powers on screen

and you're looking at a guy flamed on, I genuinely go, what's in this trailer of him that makes me excited to see this version of Johnny Storm? And if I didn't know, I would especially have no interest in seeing who this brooding guy is. Yeah, I think I think there's total reason to be a little bit

wary. I quote picture this but everywhere just based on that trailer and have done for like many years. That's a testament to the impression that that left and his version of the character does leap off that trailer you know exactly I imagine what the flavor would be. Whereas yeah, Joseph Quinn

it's a big old mystery box. Yeah, that's that. What's the next one? But thank you for the question Thomas. Thomas once again. Thank you so much. Question two comes from Calder chivalry. Do you think Marvel would benefit from adapting an elseworld's approach like the DCU? I felt a bit let down by the idea of what if, of what, what if might be, excuse, and lately have been craving a new take on characters I know without the responsibility of being connected,

like what's a Matt Reeves Captain America look like, a Spike Lee Black Panther, which I say we should greenlit right this very moment. What are your guys' thoughts? This is exactly what I want. I think that comic books are, so vast and have been around so long you have to have resets you also have to have different runs there's there's been times there were six spider man comics out a month so if you're reading amazing spider man spectacular spider man sensational spider man peter parker spider man web of spider man untell tales of spider man like i was you don't expect that all to feel the same or why are you reading six different titles the whole point of these characters is that they're interpretive which ties into

the last question which is how i can like man of steel because it's an interpretation so i think it's really important to get new interpretations from time to time. And I don't think you get to do that if your universe spans, you know, 20 years and has the same take. And that's the beauty of else worlds. That's the beauty of Earth twos and these different variations. It's a big reason of why I was so critical of what if, because it had such potential. It had so much hope to do that, especially when you cast the voice actors from the live action to give it that oomph of, you know, this is the character, but different. That gave a lot of potential. And then when it just didn't feel like they went as far as they could have often, that hurt the experience for me. So I do think the

MCU, I think it's the reason I'm so excited for the DCU. DCU hasn't even started yet, but the idea that we get stuff that feels like black label or vertigo or, you know, their current all-in stuff and the legacy versions of the characters, the fact that we have nothing on screen yet except creature commandos. And that little vignette of the superheroes and creature commandos and what we've seen of Superman already has me excited at the different tonalities they can do and then green lighting stuff like clay face and then all these different things that feel so different that's comic books in a way that isn't one long story to me the marvel cinematic universe greatest strength is that it is a box office juggernaut because people feel

like they need to watch everything to get to the next thing but i feel like that's their exact biggest hindrance and storytelling so how to solve that is to have a continuity line and then have things outside of it and that's what i think they should do aren't they already doing that i think i think fantastic doors from another universe. So, like, they can do that. Whereof finite? Yeah, whereuponite is, is technically a special presentation. But then Punisher is going to be a special presentation that does tie in.

Well, it's weird. It is strange when we've earned a multiverse saga, and it does seem like they struggle a little bit with their else worlds, like where they do feel like they have to still connect it in some way. And then they don't, and you're like, why is Dr. Strange not that one? We had the option. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a strange, it's a strange prospect, but that's one of the cool things I think about what DC Studios is doing because, yes, they're a little bit in a, I don't really know how to even describe what weird land they're in right now because when James Gunn took over, it's been a confusing narrative for a lot of like, wait, what's going to count? Does the flash count? This is the reset? I'm confused. Does it not count anymore? I guess it doesn't count anymore. Because you said either way you said it It sounds like it was going to count But they have other things

That have been so well regarded The Batman, Penguin, Creature Commandos And the fact that they've been able to have successes that are not about interconnectivity to a larger universe Has already positioned DC

to be successful without the interconnectivity Whereas what made Marvel grow and the biggest specialty of Marvel that for sure changed the media landscape movie franchises is interconnectivity.

And it's almost like, we can't let it go. Yeah, we can't. We need it. It's the thing we do. It's how we did it. That's how we popular. That's how we're big.

And even though in that moment, my sarcasm is talking down on it, the flip side is it's part of the genius, beyond just box office wise. It's magic. It's magic. It is, remember when it first happened?

That phase one, I still go, how does the Avengers exist? I still. That first time watching the Avengers, Joss Whedon's, no fee, like, it's not my favorite Avengers movie. I would put Infinity War way above it. But damn, I will never forget that first time, like the whole experience, and then in the battle in New York with the giant tracking shot of all of them. It still gives me chills, and I've seen a hundred times.

Talking about it right now has me excited. And that's the power of that. But I feel like it has a purpose and so does the other. And I feel like they need to also figure out that other is for that. But that's why DC has the capability to make interconnectivity with their main timeline super exciting because they're not dependent on it right now. Right. Whereas Marvel has a harder time because they don't seem like they have the ability to be out of it. Even watching what if, you know, we watched it still with.

Is it going to? How is this variant going to go? yeah our main time line yeah how it's gonna happen yeah yeah right yeah right uh oh doctor doctor strange yeah that was bringing up how the episode the main strange supreme yeah should have been the one that we that that's what we all thought when we saw the trailer yeah and we got excited because of that we got excited because we thought it was the one from what if and then ended up being and then thereby diminishing returns it felt like for a lot on what if and a lot of people like what if we love what if season two absolutely uh what if season three was liked by a lot we were not big fans um and i agree yeah i think

they they're in they're in a odd position though because it is harder for people to accept it's like when you're doing a youtube channel they're trying to introduce a new segment right you're like we don't do this here what is this why is this yeah it's a little hard to build up but i think they need to do something where they where they are super confident with leaning into that with it being its own thing. And it doesn't directly relate, but the number one word I have to describe Thunderbolts is confident.

I think Marvel's in a very good spot, Thunderbolt onward, because it is a confident film. Cool. Well, thank you guys. That's the end of the video now. I'm gonna see you guys next week.