The Reel Rejects - NOPE (2022) - Movie Review!!

Episode Date: August 29, 2022

FINALLY REACTING TO the latest Jordan Peele 2022 Movie NOPE! Our Reaction, Breakdown, Review, Theories for the Sci-Fi Horror featuring Twists, wild ending, Aliens, Steven Yuen (The Walking Dead), Dan...iel Kaluuya (Get Out), Keke Palmer, Michael Wincott - what's not to look forward to?! #Nope #NopeMovie #JordanPeele #MovieReaction #FirstTimeWatching #Reaction #EndingExplained Become A Super Sexy Reject For Full-Length T.V. & Movie Reactions Including our NOPE Watch Along! https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects Support The Channel By Checking Out Our High-Quality Merch: http://shopzeroedition.com/collections/reel-rejects-merch Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:00 What's going on there? Listeners of the Reject Nation, we're going to watch Nope today if you guys want to check out our reaction. It is available now on YouTube.com slash Real Rejects. But if you want to hear our insanely smart thoughts right now, stick around. Join by John and Greg today. Let's get to it. All right. I got my jacket on. That was a experience right there. what an experience so much to talk about so much to go into so much from the filmmaking to the characters to the many different themes you can interpret here there's like so many different ways to interpret um you know from the obvious stuff about capitalism and exploitation of real life things obsession with fame greed but then also like redemption uh there's i love the arc of the just love i love the book end of this of how this haywood family has just been disregarded they were they were so integral to the development of hollywood and so it means like
Starting point is 00:02:19 it makes so much sense why it's so important to them to get this shot and i even love that allegory i don't not an allegory but like a supplement of of doing a western instead of shooting a camera a shooting a gun you're shooting a camera and get your final shot yeah the final shot is with the lens instead of a going on it so that's so cool because it's a western showdown at the end it's a western finale yeah and and but instead of a gun with shooting you're shooting with a lens you know and i think that's really neat but also like the the gratification the importance of how they should have had this staple and be cemented in Hollywood and be recognized their family history and lineage.
Starting point is 00:03:02 And now they got the shot. They got the proof. They got the evidence. They got it all. And now they can have the legacy they deserve. So I think it's just such a neat ending when you bookend it with that. But yeah, anyway, John, why don't you really kick it off? Why don't you really kick it off?
Starting point is 00:03:19 No, I mean, I absolutely agree with everything. No. No. Nope. Nope. Sorry, that's what I should have said. I agree with everything you just said. I mean, I was really dazzled by this,
Starting point is 00:03:32 and I feel like this is a deceptively straightforward movie. I think it's perhaps one of the three Jordan Peel films we've seen thus far. This is perhaps the one that, to me, communicates the biggest sort of convergence of themes that are shared. And I know in the past he's said, you know, like the humans are always the monsters in my movies. But I feel like this kind of breaks from that in a very interesting. interesting way. And yeah, there's a lot you can glean about, I don't know, like, I feel like with the fact that they are animal trainers and you meet them on set in this moment where everyone's like trying to have a safety meeting, but clearly nobody is really that concern for safety. And they just kind of want everything to go on their schedule or whatever. And then you look at the stuff with Gordy. And I feel like there are certain comments being made about just like the assumption that we have control over all of this and that every. does kind of run at our whim and whimsy. And the ways in which, you know, we orchestrate these fantasies.
Starting point is 00:04:33 And, yeah, we erase real-life history, even though the evidence is actually there. And we push those details around and we re-contextualize them. And, yeah, like, there's, yeah, it feels like a deceptively straightforward film because, like, the main plot is pretty straightforward. But, yeah, it's like, okay, why are we choosing to focus on this particular array? of characters who work in and around the film industry, but all of our, yeah, protagonists or our main ensemble are people who, you know, are pieces of that machine,
Starting point is 00:05:06 but they're not the famous ones. They're not the ones at the top of that food chain. And it's interesting to see how, you know, you got Joupe, who has clearly taken, you know, aspects of his childhood experience as an entertainer and is reworking and repurposing them for, you know, his current living as like a side show attraction and probably banking on the idea
Starting point is 00:05:27 that people know that Gordy incident and I love that especially with him they give him these little moments of reverie and they'll give you maybe one flash of like the traumatic event he's actually experiencing as he is actively participating in the spin. So I don't know there's so many places to start
Starting point is 00:05:43 I feel like but I mean I guess the heart and soul of this is Daniel Kaluya and Kiki Palmer like at the heart of it like I love their dynamic and the way in which they are two completely different characters and without doing too much deep diving into here's their backstory in their past
Starting point is 00:06:00 and here's a flashback of both of them as kids and we're going to see. Like they really communicated how and why the characters exist the way they do just through the immediate performance, I felt like. Yeah, with the OJ character, he's someone who, there's always this sense because there's a sheep, his dad, Keith David,
Starting point is 00:06:19 exude such a charisma and confidence that at a determination and focus that even Emerald has you know and he doesn't have that and he's even shunned on set at the beginning of this film you know like he doesn't have the energy and he's not even looked at as being all that great maybe not the best businessman either they don't like they're not deep diving into it but clearly he's not looked upon as being good enough and then by the end of the film with him to arc into this of like oh he the fact that because you got these two like different characters here with brother and sister which by the way i love that jordan peel like explore different relationships like how get out is a boyfriend and
Starting point is 00:07:08 girlfriend and then us as a family and then this is brother and sister i think that's really cool that he's like established these very specific dynamics to dive into but like with emerald you you you get the sense that, you know, she probably grew up on this farm and then wanted to get away and have a little bit more of a city life and really enjoy herself and get into entertainment in some form, you know, like, because she's even promoting that for herself and like, this isn't what I really want to do, whereas like, O.J. didn't seem to really pursue any other avenues and kind of just got pushed into this and he's stuck here, but this is at, and then by the end of the movie you're seeing, like by the finale, that everything that has sort of weighed down on him and everything has had to, and door he this is his strength and he gets to utilize that and it also creates this great sense of pride with their family by the end of it you know like we're emerald is someone who's kind of been running away and sort of rejecting this and is that helping out right now yeah yeah yeah i'm just going to grab my stuff and get out of here but then by the end when they take down that alien and she's like no fuck with a hey what family like i'm like oh it's so cool like it is a story about
Starting point is 00:08:13 the it is at the end of the story about the brother and sister more more than anything else you know and also um i love the supporting cast a lot too the guy plays angel i thought he was great he has that at the beginning i was like i you're kind of frustrating but he's just so funny in his cynicism and then eventually you're like i know he's a good guy yeah he's a cool guy and michael wincott too has such a not such a great presence with a rough voice of his and he's someone i've grown up watching a lot because he's been around for decades and never quite got the level of of fame i think he deserved because he does carry such weight with him whenever he's on screen and whenever he's on screen anything even if it's like a shitty movie it tends to be someone who steals
Starting point is 00:08:57 the show yeah he he is a high caliber actor and i i loved it i think there's a lot of commentary to be made all around but like just sticking to the filmmaking aspect side of it i think it's really cool how this movie does at first just seem like just a straightforward UFO movie i'm like okay it's kind of got that science feel is what it was picking up on like Oh, you're not really going to see the aliens, but it's an alien invasion thing. Okay, it's abduction. All right. It makes sense.
Starting point is 00:09:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then to actually turn it from a sci-fi movie, I mean, it's still sci-fi, the genre that comes next, but to turn it turned, but to turn it does kind of make you think of films like, not so much Jurassic. I guess, to a certain way of Jurassic Park, monetary gain with this larger-than-life creature. But like King Kong, actually, I think is a good thing to pull from. Like King Kong with like a filmmaking crew, we got to capture them, you know? And so I think there's a lot of these cool riffs of different genres just spliced into here from sci-fi, monster movie, western. I don't know if the right term would be buddy comedy, but in some ways it is. It's funnier than I expected it to be.
Starting point is 00:10:18 It's a lot funnier than I thought it would be. Yeah, and there's a lot that's played off of that dynamic. And there's a lot of humor you wouldn't have expected that comes out of, especially the OJ and Emerald relationship and other characters like Angel and whatnot. Like there's a real quirkiness of character overall. But I'd say buddy is a fair assessment. I like Stephen Young's performance a lot. I thought the gorty thing was going to like a strong.
Starting point is 00:10:42 It seems like it's more of a metaphorical thing. I'm not even sure how to really pick up on it fully. Like, you were touching on some things. I was like, oh, okay, okay, that sounds better than what I was maybe picking up on it. Well, I think you have to respect nature in a way. Like, there's a food chaininess about all this to me because, I mean, I feel like with Gordy, there's some element of the power's not out, but that shoe standing straight up just reads as some kind of weird alien influence on the situation, but more so than that.
Starting point is 00:11:11 And as he's telling the story, you don't even know if that thing about the jungle is true, but you can see it reflected in the scene when, you know, OJ is setting up with the horse and trying to do the safety meeting. It's like these people are expecting that, yeah, this animal is just going to be our prop and do what we needed to do and everything's going to be fine.
Starting point is 00:11:27 And yet this is still a part of nature that, yeah, you need to make that agreement back and forth with and just the way that we might have plucked this creature out of obscurity to dance for our pleasure. Now this creature has moved in and is, you know, eating up and swallowing people and, you know, feeding like a predator would.
Starting point is 00:11:44 I think also there is a lot that, which I find I would really be curious. This is the one part of this whole movie that I'd be curious to know about the onset treatment was for, was how they did, because I mean, obviously Gordy was CGI. Yeah. But then, you know, you got a bunch of horses in here. And there's been controversy over the years of use of animals and films. I know a lot of animal lovers who hate the use of any animals in films. Like, it's just something that they don't feel like animals should be doing. just generally speaking.
Starting point is 00:12:16 And a lot of times, you know, it's something that easy to be like, oh, whatever, like, it's easy to roll your eyes and gawk at what they're saying. But every once in a while, even for myself, I'll hear things, and I'll be like, no, that's actually not a bad point, you know. Bad things happen. Yeah, and then even with, like, having a chimp on set, you know, like, that could be a disastrous situation. Because this is not their environment or the one they should,
Starting point is 00:12:39 the environment they should be inhabiting, you know what I mean? Yeah. And no matter how much there's an animal trainer, it is not the life a chimp wants or needs or deserves yeah so there is a strange like type of but i'm thinking more of how to how does it tie into the whole thing i think it just mainly serves the part of the theme at least what i was getting from it was with the again the gate the capitalism side of this movie of trying to find that monetary gain again because like all stephen young does jupe character has such a traumatic incident but yet tries to profit off of it now and tries to
Starting point is 00:13:15 exploit it and now he's got another opportunity with this alien thing that he's discovered and now how can i profit off of this it's like a weird psychological recreation but also yeah sirka that yeah got to get that picture got to got to use this to my advantage yeah it's like an alien sighting is is by and large it would seem a traumatic incident for people but there is that drive to be like no we got to capture it though we got to be the one because some of the commentary is way more overt it's weird because Get Out
Starting point is 00:13:41 had that like perfect balance of commentary right for at least a lot of people it's all open to interpretation
Starting point is 00:13:46 and then us kind of went sewed into the neck into the sub-conscious subtext that some people were like what
Starting point is 00:13:54 I don't understand and then here they sometimes get even more direct than I expected it to be you know when you flat out just have a
Starting point is 00:14:04 oh he's from TN like she just picks up he's from TMZ yeah you know and we all know everything about the exploitive qualities of what a TMZ person is like. Yeah, yeah, now people are taking interest in their little operation just because they have
Starting point is 00:14:19 some kind of exploitable scenario on their hands. Yeah. And yeah, I feel like this movie definitely is compared to get out in us, at least here in this moment, I feel like where those movies have a bit more of a straight or at least a more singular or unified kind of subtext, they're getting out. I feel like this movie does have more, the same way like a film set has many converging departments and many converging art forms and themes at work. I feel like that's
Starting point is 00:14:47 happening in this movie too. It's like there's a lot that you could say about documentation and surveillance and, you know, again, the order of nature. And like you were talking about with like capitalism and exploiting trauma and exploiting natural occurrences and things like that. Like I feel like this is a movie that for being as straightforward as it is, I appreciate that it balanced that without losing or it balanced it with that quality of you have this Gordy sequence, which I feel like for a lot of viewers could read as sort of like a random interlude or something that's a bit more obtuse in the overall picture. But I feel like, you know, you have a bunch of people interacting with this environment that are all coming from different backgrounds, different traumas, elements of their history are in the forefront or have been covered up in different ways. And so, yeah, I think this is a movie more so than the previous two that,
Starting point is 00:15:38 you can draw a lot of different perspectives out of. And I think that's a really cool way to go about it, too. I don't think you necessarily have to be like, no, the movie is about this under the surface. It could be an array of things because that's, I feel like, that's more akin to life even. It's funny because this movie, to me, at least upon first viewing, seems like it's more overt than his other films. And yet some stuff is still a little bit more unclear than his other films too. depending on what subject matter you're talking about because it does start with Gordy
Starting point is 00:16:10 and and from it starts from the POV as a reveal it's from the POV of Jube. Yeah. And they don't reveal that's Jube's POV until later on in the film. And, you know, they have that thing with the shoe that's standing up and he's kind of distracted by it and he's not looking at the animal. Like he's looking at the shoe, right?
Starting point is 00:16:32 and it seemed like that's just a big like foreshadowing symbolism shot that you have the chimp the UFO the animal he's not looking at the animal he's looking at the bad miracles actually you know that's that's where his direction is pointed at is I don't know what the hell it's that's the only thing I can at least gather from what the hell a standing shoe would mean in a situation like that yeah is like this is not a good thing but it's kind of a I don't know if I call it a miracle, but it is a bit odd. Well, yeah, it's like a freak natural occurrence. And you can argue that maybe, even though, again, it's not hailed by electrical cutout, like, maybe it is that, like, the chimp just goes nuts for that period of time when that entity is present. And then, yeah, eventually reverts. And, too, I mean, I thought there was an interesting parallel there, too, because, like, you know, in different ways, obviously the kid much more sentient, much more aware of this. But you're both kind of being plucked into a dog. and pony show that you don't both fully understand and so like I thought there was an interesting
Starting point is 00:17:37 that fist bump moment is an interesting little bit of unity because it's like we are sort of the two people here who are like the most sort of innocent and being just swept up in this orchestration of you know things everybody thinks they can control and are just okay and of course I don't know how this was not mentioned the surveillance theme to it all yeah like you're literally being surveilled they bring up surveillance everything's captured like there's so much about use of capturing stuff on camera and yeah you know like there's there's so much happening in this one film and i think it doesn't feel messy to me like i don't know i still i still even after first viewing you know i haven't really had as much time for it
Starting point is 00:18:19 nowhere near because i'm just talking about right now um for it to like sink in with me uh fully it does sort of feel like this would be my third out of the jordan peel films but that's a still not that doesn't mean I don't love this film though like I really I thought it was I think it's a great film I would just rank it third for me out of the three that he's directed so far because I've the only thing I've really heard about this movie um the only thing I've really heard is is part of kind of that rhetoric is that I hear it's a little bit more fun and that it's maybe not his best one that's what I've heard and I didn't know what to get going in because I've only saw the I didn't know the specifics of why people were saying that I had only seen the first trailer
Starting point is 00:19:09 I heard there was another trailer that was more revealing so we didn't even cover on this channel I never watched it on my own time never played in the theaters either whenever I went so I was expecting to at least still be like that first trailer
Starting point is 00:19:21 which this movie does not really have that vibe for most of the movie because that first trailer was like brilliant that's an excellent trailer well they barely show you any they don't show you anything alien you're just left to go this feels kind of like an alien yeah yeah it feels like they're
Starting point is 00:19:36 doing you know experimentation film and people are reading into all kinds of things i love how every theory was wrong yes like every theory is wrong yeah yeah yeah people were like the the messed up face girl the the actress who survived yeah which oh she a horse human hybrid uh and oh my god that yeah there was all that and they yeah that the fist is like some kind of hybrid horse baby or something like that instead of a monkey. Yeah, and also, okay, it's with black people. It's short appeal.
Starting point is 00:20:09 So are they taking black people and turning them into horses? Is a slave labor allegory? What is this? Sorry to bother you too. Yeah, or are they abducting the culture and appropriating it? Why are they slicing them with horses?
Starting point is 00:20:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why my mind was even going. Is Gordy a former human? Is this horse a human? totally totally I mean it's it is that brain teeth see the funny thing is for me this is the one of his movies
Starting point is 00:20:39 just on first impression I was like this is the one I would probably put on the most just because this is the movie I want to hang out with the most like I really love the atmosphere and the aura of being in this movie and all the different places and I love that you spend so much time of it in this in Agua Dulce and like away from
Starting point is 00:20:58 the you know hubbub and the the ridiculousness almost of the film set and there is a quality too that's like not in your face like this is a movie about people who work on movies and like that's a pretty well-worn like i would call that probably like a subgenre in here somewhere because everybody even even the guy who's not fully like a movie-making character and angel is still like you know knows tech and cameras and is all about kind of documenting these things and uh and yeah it's like it doesn't have that like indulgent celebratory aspect
Starting point is 00:21:32 that those movies have, but it does have that flavor, too. Like, everybody's an entertainer. And it struck me, I was like, is this significant that, yeah, the girl, the other survivor of the Gordy set massacre, she comes and, you know, she's got the veil on and it's such a striking image, and then ostensibly she just swallowed up, you know?
Starting point is 00:21:52 So I'm like, is that unfinished business from the past? Like, there are those things that I leave a movie like this excited to ponder and excited to discuss with people because I'm like, that seems really pointed and really deliberate, except I'm not really sure what that's about. I mean, she's brought there, and for the rest of her life, she's known as a survivor of that incident, and she's brought there to be thanked by the other guy,
Starting point is 00:22:12 the guy who survived and got away clean outside. And who doesn't have to wear a t-shirt of himself with his old face on it. Yeah. No, she's being exploited, too. Or this is the only thing she can really do. Yeah, it's like the lines between exploitation and entertainment and the life that art imitates. Yeah, I think it's a, I think it's a, I think the one thing with Jordan Peele is that he's,
Starting point is 00:22:34 his very intentional filmmaker. And it's also like a sci-fi, just B-movie in a lot of ways too. Yeah. And like a really high budget, I don't, actually, I don't, is this a Blumhouse? No, not Blumhouse, right? This is actually just a universal joint. I think so, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:49 Because I don't think he needs, he's got his own Blumhouse in Monkees' Pah now, so. Yeah, because this movie is, uh, definitely look the most, more expensive one of his films. yeah and i mean there's a whole shot where it's just in the sky well and a lot of their like i admired the contrast of you have like some really beautiful night you know low light photography sequences but you have a lot in broad daylight with clouds and and you know using the things that can obscure your vision in broad daylight for that and so like you know for a lot of this you needed to have a good amount of effects a for the chimp and that's even harder than an alien ship i think because you know that's more, there's a better chance
Starting point is 00:23:29 to get to the uncanny valley, because obviously most people know what chimps look like, but I love the twist on the alien ship, not being a ship, it's the creature itself, and the way in which the creature evolves, and you get these little glint, like you start the movie out
Starting point is 00:23:45 basically in its mouth, and then you go from there to seeing how it becomes this big billowing, like it's almost beautiful by the end, but also very sort of strange and foreign looking. And, yeah, Yeah, that could not have been cheap. No, no, not at all.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Yeah, that was a cool movie. I thought it was really cool. Yeah. I had a lot of fun with it. And I think everything from a technical standpoint is excellent, especially the way he handled. I mean, obviously the whole thing with the... I mean, I think the twist that it's actually...
Starting point is 00:24:17 I didn't see that coming in at all. That it's not a UFO. It's completely designed to look like a UFO. It's a UAP. Yeah, it is. Um, so I didn't see that twist coming in all. That's an actual creature. I wasn't even exactly sure what he, what, um, OJ was getting at. Yeah. Yeah. When he, when he said, like, maybe it's not a ship. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah, I had no idea what he was saying at that point. Are you about to get semantic with me here? Um, it's an aircraft of some kind. Yeah. So when, um, so when that reveal did happen, I think that, that, that it was a brilliant, because it makes it a lot scarier at that point. And it puts everything in a different perspective. Yeah. Like when they are, when they are in the earlier parts of the movie, when you can hear the screaming voices inside of the creature.
Starting point is 00:25:07 And you're like, okay, it must be like alien experiments going on. And it kind of gives you hope that maybe there's a way to get out of it too. Yeah. And then you're like, oh, no, they're just being devoured. Yeah. That's a way. And it's just spitting out everything. It can't digest.
Starting point is 00:25:20 And the way he handled perspective on not only the exteriors or the skies and such, by the way I love, because a lot of the times it would become the, semi one takes that felt a little bit like a video game you know like in in video games where it's not first person POV but it's like close to the character that you can see the exterior yeah we're like it's right behind you and everywhere you look like the person next to you yeah exactly and and I love the way those shots were handled and but even some of the inside shots like like when the people are just being sucked up and like that is and then when it gets like really scuzzy and internal and you're like what What is this
Starting point is 00:25:58 What is this look like? Yeah, you're like, this doesn't look like some big, like he's cluing you in that this is a creature. Yeah, this isn't a shit. There's not going to be a big control center with computers and stuff.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Yeah, it's just going to be more and more like organic, strange for an organic material. Yeah, and then how it resides in the sky. I thought that was great. I think just as a stray thought, but I feel like part of this is too about like the ways in which everybody in their own different ways
Starting point is 00:26:25 like engaged with storytelling and recording surveillance, et cetera, because you have your two protagonists who are like in the sort of like work-a-day world of fantasy orchestration, like they have, he's talking about, I got mouths to feed, I got to get up in the morning, I got to prep the horses, I got to walk them around. You know, like that's the day-to-day grunt work. And then you have somebody like jupe who is, you know, more of the celebrity, traumatic story aside, celebrity character. And then you have the cinematography of antlers who literally is there to like die for the art who's just like you know you you will never get that perfect shot so i'm going to die getting the impossible shot like it's everybody's dedication to the art in a way and it almost
Starting point is 00:27:04 seems like it comes out on this balance of like you know uh oj and m are going to be certainly better off than they were before because they have like now clinch their place in cinema history but also you know like they're they're on like the most level ground out of everybody because they do have to just live on the ground with the normal people, you know? I do think the see, I get why people would judge this movie more
Starting point is 00:27:30 like, be harsher on this movie as compared to his other films because it's Jordan Peele. If this was some random filmmaker, like up-and-coming guy and they made this, people would be like, this is brilliant. Who is this?
Starting point is 00:27:46 I know. This was a debut. People would lose their minds. But it's just the fact that whatever he makes It's going to be compared to his other movies That's just the position he's in right now But even us was divisive upon first arrival, I feel like And I feel like some people had a stronger negative reaction to us Which in some ways I guess is worse
Starting point is 00:28:05 You never want like a meh reaction But yeah I mean I've to me He's clinched that debut three Like you always point out like you gotta have three great films To like solidify your Yeah they're different Well I think us while getting that negative reaction I think a lot of people couldn't wrap their heads around the concept.
Starting point is 00:28:22 Even I had to kind of look into it a little bit more to be like, what the, there's some stuff I just don't get. I don't understand. Yeah. And so, and I think that detracts. I remember even being at the theater and some stranger just talking to us. I had no idea who we were. It wasn't like, hey, real rejects.
Starting point is 00:28:36 It wasn't even that. And then he hated it. Some black dude who came up to us. It was just like, hated the movie. Yeah. And every time we were like, I don't know, I kind of liked it. He was like, nah, man. Let me tell you a little bit more about why I didn't like it.
Starting point is 00:28:52 Yeah, and that had a lot to do with how he couldn't understand what the reveal was. People get upset about that thing of like... It's a very fine line how you handle a review. Yeah, and how you handle ambiguity. And there's a certain percentage of people you're not going to please that way. But it is interesting to find the line where people go, okay, I'm excited to ponder this versus, oh, what a cop out. You didn't even bother to, you know, fill us in on what you're trying to do. you know well i to me it's like the not that i want to make this a comparison video to those other
Starting point is 00:29:26 films the the i thought the first like hour and a half of us is more thrilling than this movie like i was i was so i was like on the edge of my seat with that first hour and a half and i i really love the mood of that like this is fun this is really fun and engaging and there are some suspenseful exciting i got goosebumps quite a few times when watching this and And, you know, I can't say a lot of movies really do that for me. You know, I usually just get, like, nipple chills. But they get goosebumps all over my body. It's all.
Starting point is 00:29:57 It's every way. Yeah. That was, that was provocative to me. I fucking loved it. Yeah, absolutely. So I really, I thought this was a really great film. And I think a lot of people are also kind of writing this off as, it doesn't have any deeper meaning or anything like that. And I'm like, I don't know about that.
Starting point is 00:30:15 I mean, I think, I think that there's a lot of things. things that are not like fully laid out for a reason because you kind of have to interpret it and I don't know what the I've yet to watch a think piece or an ending explained or a breakdown of it because they're all filled with spoilers so I imagine there are more intellectual people than myself out there who have really ridden some great shit yeah taking all the time to consider and yeah and hammered down that argument yeah this is a brainstorm discussion here and I I I I I I I think that there is some wonderful nuance to it
Starting point is 00:30:53 I guess the thing that sometimes the humor is very rare I think the TMZ thing kind of pushed it a little too far with a comedy for me if I had like a detail to pick a part a little too much it is the most straight
Starting point is 00:31:09 parody it's the most straightforward and it's weird because it's one of those times where parts of the subtext do start to breach over into like the literal text where I'm like Okay, I can tell. Like, anytime TMZ shows up, I feel like it becomes this low-hanging fruit of like, and now we're going to do toxic surveillance culture commentary because this guy only cares about his camera
Starting point is 00:31:30 and is completely oblivious to the rest of the situation and is like a dick about it too. So, yeah, like, it's like, then again, that is teams. Then again, yeah, it's the problem. It's like, that's not wrong, but also you would hope that, yeah, in an environment like this. And it's not the point, but yeah. You would hope that the human might shine through. Yeah, because that's what the rest of the movie is doing. And you see a character like Angel who I didn't expect,
Starting point is 00:31:55 because I haven't seen Brandon Perea much before. So I was like, okay, this is going to be a one-off bit for people who know fries electronics. And that character is not going to come back. And then this character who presents as an asshole who's disengaged then becomes endearing over time. And in the same movie, I would have, yeah, expected a little sprinkling of humanity on the TMZ guy or something. Because also, too, he shows up with this, like, reflective. helmet and I was like you seem like
Starting point is 00:32:20 someone who might know shit about what's actually going on but no it's just it's just Harvey Levin notice that had some great stunt work in here too totally like I love the shot when Emerald is when it looks like she's about to be taking him and that she's just like thrown into the other side yeah that was
Starting point is 00:32:38 that whole sequence I thought the way the handling perspective on that did feel at times like when you're watching a video game character what is that POV style called Is that a heads-up display? Is that what it's called? I think so.
Starting point is 00:32:52 I don't know. I'm never bothered. Or I mean, you could just call it first person. Kind of like the Batman or Spider-Man games, but not a... Not literally first person, but it's... Oh, my God. Do I not know any video game names anymore? You got it.
Starting point is 00:33:09 You got a... Fuck, Doom. Not Doom, B-O-B, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah. No, it's still like a first-person perspective, because I think the smart thing is they do so much both camera motion but also they just
Starting point is 00:33:23 put the camera in places a human would be. So you're watching that all happen from eye level and that I think lends this quality of like it feels like you're just there watching this take place and the way they move the camera isn't like super shaky and crazy
Starting point is 00:33:39 it's usually with the fluidity that you could whip your neck around so yeah like there is a bit of that video game heads-up display kind of vibe there. And I think it's chosen really well and it enhances really well. And two, I mean, like you've got a lot of great horse-based stunts, which I feel like they recreate that, you know, profile galloping shot at one point. And like, you know, with Daniel Kalalia, like, he's riding and stuff. And like, he even came off natural. And, you know, having grown up
Starting point is 00:34:09 with people who rode horses, oftentimes I can, you know, at least know enough to see when I'm like, oh, this actor isn't really ridden before or, you know, isn't really kind of. of in unison with the horse. But even those things, like, felt really natural and, like, the way they embody the whole just life on the ranch, I really bunt, you know? I think Daniel Kaluja is an easy performance to overlook.
Starting point is 00:34:32 No, he does not have a hypnotized and, oh, my God, look at him, cry. Brilliant acting. Single tears. He's brilliant. He's brilliant and get out. He is. He's brilliant. I think he's great here. I think he's absolutely excellent.
Starting point is 00:34:44 I love how subtle and internal his whole performance is and so much of him just feels it feels really human in a situation that is so science fiction yeah he's really great at not
Starting point is 00:34:59 yeah at like playing this laconic character doesn't talk much and who also like isn't the most expressive but still exudes so much light it's like in that scene where the kids are pranking him in the barn
Starting point is 00:35:11 he's not like freaking out trembling his face is mostly still but you can still feel what's going on underneath. And I think, yeah, he is terrific. And I felt this since Black Mirror and Get Out especially, he's great at throwing things away, but in a meaningful way. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:29 You know? Well, I think he has very specific choices in this movie, too, with his body language. Like, kind of hunched over. It looks like he gained a little bit of weight for this role, too. And then, like, his difficulty making eye contact, I think is another great choice for this kind of character as well
Starting point is 00:35:48 and then it contrasts so well with Kiki Palmer who is the total opposite but they do feel like brother and sister they have such great chemistry together even though their energies are wildly different and I like moments that don't as much as
Starting point is 00:36:04 sometimes it becomes very meta and you become very aware you're watching a movie and that might be one of the detracting qualities for me is that I wasn't ever fully immersed in this movie I was pretty much aware I was watching a film the whole time
Starting point is 00:36:20 and but I still love I still love that though because I think that's it's so aware because especially when you're doing a movie about making movies and film and all this stuff I'm going to be naturally more aware than the way they talk about like this
Starting point is 00:36:34 like the cinematographer character antlers like his character in particular there's just more things to make me aware of what I'm watching like when you're going to fries up electronics and you're dealing with this tech guy and I'm like I know so many guys like this dude and I have been in this exact situation at that exact store yeah yeah but then like that this cinematographer personality seems to be like a it doesn't broach into the you know the TMZ
Starting point is 00:37:02 guy it's not caricature but it is like a cheeky close to yeah because yeah of course the cinematographer of everyone on set would be this guy yeah with this motivation who is willing to come out for the project for the art for the perfect shot it will die for like yeah there are things like that because there are scenes where I'm definitely fully immersed in other times where I would just be more observant
Starting point is 00:37:27 what was the point beforehand movies about making movies and them kind of breaking the meta fourth wall that way or not being fully immersed and this are all the points I was already making the point before that I'm trying to trying to walk backwards one step at a time.
Starting point is 00:37:46 Run backwards. We were talking about Daniel Kaluja and his understated performance. It's all gone, John. Kiki Palmer and him. Doesn't matter. Gordy. You know, too, I think
Starting point is 00:38:02 another thing, too, is that animals often don't get as much as there's a, you know, and we've heard story. I feel like most of us, by this point, I've heard some of the horror stories that happen on sets with animals. There was a famous one that was going around with the dogs in that
Starting point is 00:38:17 Christian movie. It was a Christian movie? It was a dog movie? Yeah. I don't remember. Something recently though, yeah. Was it a dog's purpose? I think so. Or was it the other one that came out around the same time that had a similar title? I don't know if it was, yeah. A dog's way home or something like that. But one of those, yeah, had like, egregious
Starting point is 00:38:34 on-set animal. Well, it's easy to do that. Yeah. It's easy to mistreat animals. But one thing I loved was how they would show like they would cut to the characters. They treated the horses like actual characters. Yeah, and each one of them has a moment to kind of advance the mystery by responding
Starting point is 00:38:54 directly to what's going on. Yeah, yeah. And there's a significance to the animals. So yeah. Yeah, this was a very I guess out of the three, this is his most self-aware movie. Sure. Yeah, I would say so. And so that made me more of a self-aware viewer. yeah yeah because i bet i bet some of his experiences not that he has the same experiences these characters but i bet some of his experiences in the film industry at large but especially
Starting point is 00:39:21 as a director have probably helped influence what this became because it's not even like a director character no no i mean you know you have you have os perkins and you have like that one other guy who's like doing the main communications at the front but it's not even quite clear what their roles are on set and yeah it's like of everybody on set the only person who really like makes an impression and stands out as the is the d p he's so fun he is i love that character he's he's like has so like just too much grabby toss i know to the point that you're like it's funny and it's working though yeah yeah this could have easily just been a parody you know yeah of that only people who like film would get totally of the obsessed cinema a lot
Starting point is 00:40:10 people don't even know what a cinematographer is so that like what this does shine a light on like what a cinematographer actually does you know yeah and again they they are inclined i would i would guess that stereotype they would be inclined to be the most sort of like high-minded you know i'm the observer of the set i am the most bird's eye view all these circumstances it is through my eye this is seen like you could totally see how they would be usually they make that character the the director yeah yeah absolutely whereas no i mean the cinematographer yeah you're the one who has to translate the director's neurosis into an image. All right, guys, please tell us down below your thoughts of what you interpret
Starting point is 00:40:44 Nope to be about. Subscribe, click that bell, leave a like. Last but not least, I'll send this for the patron of the day shout out. Mikhail Linden. Mikhail? Yes. Wanted to shout you out because this movie stars black people. And you are the whitest person we know.
Starting point is 00:41:06 You are. You would be. You take over the spotlight now. That's what you do. Yeah. This video has been all about you this whole time, my dude. This is your time to shine. You are the guy who captured the man riding the horse.
Starting point is 00:41:20 You are my bridge. You are responsible for film. Not even the subject, but just you. You alone are responsible for all that we see here. All that we enjoy on a daily basis. It's all you. I love that about you, man. You are an absolute delight.
Starting point is 00:41:36 You smell like corn puffs. I love a good corn puff. I do, too. I love to dip you in alma milk because I'm allergic to dairy and eat you up. Dude. Deep fry you with a twinkie. Enjoy all that creamy macaille goodness. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:41:51 You taste so good. I'm not talking about, like, you know, perverted stuff, YouTube, since you guys are so sensitive about it. I'm talking about devouring him, you know, like eating him. Yeah, like, army actual eating, not something. Gross. I'm not a perv. Yeah. I'm talking about chewing him.
Starting point is 00:42:13 Yeah. Gnawing. Nibling at his epidermis. A light chump or two or four or seven or as many as it takes, really. Don't be sensitive. The titsy roll of our channel. All right, Mikhail. Can't wait to eat you, buddy.
Starting point is 00:42:27 I don't really know. How many links to the steak to get to the center of Michael?

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