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Starting point is 00:00:18 all right gents let's get into it right let's get into it right let's go holy shit yeah that was a roller coaster um okay so why we talk about the big moment first the big moment that uh it was all leading to i really thought they would prolong it i i really i know it normally take turns monologue in here but i i really thought they'd prolong it until like third or fourth episode at least um bold i'm glad they stuck to the boldness of it but um the thing that i because in the game if you guys remember in the game after joel is hit to death with the club he's not even trying to get up because he can't move and then ellie gets knocked out

Starting point is 00:01:18 out after Pendeos bit and this time they cut that out she stayed still conscious she crawled over and then when she like held his hand and rested her face on that start breaking me right there man um losing her dad like that uh was a we know it's like to lose a parent it's tough shit and so that but to be privy to that and there would you go i'll ask you errant's your birthday what would you what did you think about how they handled this the because they give us so much more information about Abby this time because in the game for you guys who don't know and don't care about swelers or people who don't recall

Starting point is 00:01:58 the game they don't tell you what the motivation is and stuff and she comes across purely villainous and this time around they were really to give her a whole monologue to flesh out and really explain why she's about to do what she's about to do what did you what did you think of this as the adaptation of that side oh man I'm devastated

Starting point is 00:02:17 But I think that experiencing this version of it was more, I want to say more impactful because it feels like it does a different thing than the game does. But watching it prolonged like that really, really, really feel Abby's hatred and her rage and her persistence in that moment. And I think in some ways it holds weight in a different way because when it happens in the game, it's very shocking. and then it's devastating and it sucks because you get more empathy from Abby's side going into it but at the same time because she's pro-lying it because she's doing it slow it also feels more villainous but you understand it and this thing about you know the bad guy always thinks they're right and you get her monologue going into it and nobody's bad or good in this world it's the beautiful thing about Lasvas is it is just tones of gray

Starting point is 00:03:16 throughout but because we've had such a long journey with them um it does make it tougher to to watch and they made us go through a longer version of that torture scene and yeah i'm just sad um i'm devastated i think that was a very impactful decision impactful punch for them to leave ellie awake for her to crawl over to droll whereas we cut to the aftermath of it in the game version and also think it was a smart decision for them to have dina with droll because now she has a more personal investment in going after the people with joel or with uh with uh with ellie and we're also making jesse the one to go with her because then you have a more personal investment with their relationship when he eventually joins the story and then Tommy you know he

Starting point is 00:04:11 it also creates more of this riff for Tommy as well because even though he wasn't there obviously he's going to seat his body. Jackson's in the state of shambles, and he's going to leave Jackson in this vulnerable state because he's on this quest for revenge separately from Ellie. At least they're going to continue to do that point, but it makes it even harder, which makes it even feel more selfish,

Starting point is 00:04:34 but you understand everybody's rage drives them to do this thing of persistence through the guys of revenge, the guys of justice. And yeah, I'm just sad, man. it's just it just really sucks i feel like they they nailed it sadly but they did it perfectly and i think arguably i like i don't want to say arguably better because i feel like they do two different things but i like the fact that this version of it was able to give us this feeling that joel knew exactly why he was dying but he also was he he wasn't scared in those final moments at least he didn't even present himself as scared he just was like well not it is what it is

Starting point is 00:05:19 but i don't know i feel like petro pascal is such an interesting actor because he he goes through different emotions when he's in the scene and he just has a emotional journey in and of itself so i think that's i know it's all great the whole entire episode was great from the jacks and stuff to the adaptation of what we saw in the game and um yeah that's my my thoughts for now but um yeah i want to yeah i want to yeah i want to make sure that's that everyone gets to talk about it. So, Andrew, what do you think about that? Yeah, there was things I liked about both the game version

Starting point is 00:05:49 and about this version. So in regards to this, I like that Abby got to have more of an interaction with Joel, preluding to what ended up having the Joel in one. And I like that she was manipulating him to get back to the cabin. I mean, I remember there was a moment in the game where she was like, my place is up ahead, my friends are over there, and that was that.

Starting point is 00:06:11 whereas here it's like we can make it back there and like no we're only a minute away and so i i like that and then also too i do like in their dialogue i remember in the game she you know she was kind of being ambiguous about who she was she was like yes and you know here it's more of the point but also too you do get more of a villainous tone and delivery in it but again it's because it's been building up and i do like that kately endeavor really gets that out in her performance like i yeah we hate it as an audience but again also too from a perspective side i really understand that i also will say this like while i did like this adaptation going back to the game i because of the way the game is structured i really do also like the way how you have no idea who

Starting point is 00:07:02 she is or rather why she's doing this rather it could be something from joel's past but you don't know and then the game makes you play as her knowing you hate her guts and then we get that reveal later on about midway to three quarters into the game we're like oh okay now we're really unpacking and nuancing this character and you know i thought that again i like that this game this show is you know differentiating in a in a more uh in a different impactful way but again i i think that you know again because this show is you know again because this show is doing things in it's being more it's doing things are uh it's being more original in certain aspects that i don't i'm not bothered i'm not playing the comparison game as much i'm just you know i'm just enjoying it for its ride but again i thought that what it worked here as well and i still like the game version and i like this version as well i still i thought it worked here as well and i agree with what you're saying uh both of you in regards to i thought it was extremely emotionally visceral for us as an audience to see and Ellie as well for her to be conscious

Starting point is 00:08:13 for that moment rather than being you know knocked unconscious for it because she you know at the end of the day it could be like a nightmare for her and then she wakes up to it again still a horrific moment for her but actually witnessing it and staying away for it and then crawling over it's just it's gut-wrenching for both us and Ellie so I thought that was a very interesting element to add on to the show and I think that's you know where you give Craig Mason and Neil Druckman, a lot of credit, you know, because they can, there's certain points where, like, as writers, what do we exactly stay faithful to the game and what do we make our own? And I think those are very tough decisions that they have to make. And a lot of times, I really do like a lot of the

Starting point is 00:08:52 original decisions that they have to make. So, and I think that was a very bold and really, you know, smart choice that they made right there in that moment. So, yeah, that was really difficult to watch. And also, too, to another point Aaron made that I fully agree with, I think it's really wise in both episodes, giving us so much interaction in time with Dina and Joel. Because, again, obviously we know why Dina goes on the journey. She's got an emotional attachment to Ellie. She wants to make sure that she's safe and wants to protect her.

Starting point is 00:09:22 She's in love with her, of course. Totally by that. We've never seen her have any interaction in the game with Joel, so, you know, there's no personal stake or vendetta for her. Now there is because there really is. is a surrogate daughter and father bond there so now she's got two ends that she's you know on the on the protective side on so i think that adds a different layer to it here that's fascinating for me so i'm really glad that they included that and i think that was again a bold and interesting

Starting point is 00:09:49 different take of an adaptation to have dina here rather than tommy because tommy you know he's going to have feel vendetta no matter it's his brother and he's he's obsessed with his brother he loves his brother that's his brother's his role model so even with all the messed up stuff that he did back in the day it's his older brother he loves him so we know like it was a smart replacement there to have dina in that position so uh i think that was again building up these two episodes that relationship between dina and joel such a wise choice because i never i got to tell you and i probably played the game 10 or 11 times if not more i had never once thought about that and all the times i wish dina and joel had had some interactions not one time did i ever

Starting point is 00:10:32 think about. It just never came to my mind. And the fact that this show, like, made me happy that that is now a relationship. I'm like, I kind of wish the game did that. But now I'm glad that this is now an actual medium, you know, in this. It's part of the adaptation. It's part of the world. World building. So just, would you mind if I stepped in before I'm afraid of lose a thought of what you said actually? It did spark a thought. Thank you. Go ahead. Is that But in the game, there's more than what people might forget is that there's so much more than adapting cutscenes here. You know, like there's a lot of interaction in the game when you're actually playing and doing shit. So while you don't get scenes with Dina and Joel in the game, what you do get a lot of is like lines of dialogue when you're on a mission where it's Ellie and Dina.

Starting point is 00:11:22 So you actually still feel like a history of Joel's presence and interaction with everything. because of how everyone talks in the middle of these actual of the actual gameplay and living in it so when you're not going to be doing the gameplay to do that dialogue stuff and they sometimes adapt that directly they've done it in an episode in the first season as well so i think to to drive it home even stronger further this way is is actually a really smart call like because like you i'm like yeah that's right like i i didn't concern myself with it but for a show uh when you're going to do it within the second hour because Because what is it? Like in the game, it feels like it happens in the first hour, but it's not. It feels like what's the hour three or four or some shit like that when it happened? Yeah. So it's a little bit longer and you're playing as Ellie. So yeah, but I'm sorry to interrupt.

Starting point is 00:12:11 Was there more you wanted to say on this topic? No, I was just, the only other thing I was going to say is I think this show and game two really just drive home that we will do anything for love. You know, when it comes to Abby for her father, when it comes to Joel for Ellie. And now maybe even with, again, because this show does a lot of original and different things. things than what the games did. Who knows with Dina, what she's going to do once they get to Seattle. Yeah. So obviously we know, again,

Starting point is 00:12:37 we're on the spoiler's talk here. So, you know, we know that Dina's going to be pregnant once they arrive in Seattle. But still, I'm sure she's going to do some messed up stuff because she's got a personal vendetta based on her surrogate father relationship with Joel. And I'm excited to see

Starting point is 00:12:53 where we go off from here because of the interactions we've gotten based. And the fact that she was there when, it happened it wasn't a fact that like in the game she woke up alley after the fact so sorry how are you how are you don't be sorry there's uh there's there's there's so much about that one one scene because it's like there's so much it happens in this episode but this this one adaptation of this of this moment is so profound and how they do it because while you're playing as abby in that in because they give you more context with abby here when you get to this moment in the game you're you're you're kind of just

Starting point is 00:13:28 playing as her and the only real thing you get of her is she's obviously kind of has some history with this Owen guy and then it's not even in the show yet is that Owen's girlfriend who's with them is pregnant and you could see how bothered she is by that. They didn't say that either. And she's scared

Starting point is 00:13:44 at heights. Yeah, she's scared of height. Yeah, they do establish that in the game too but that's pretty much like the one big moment as an emotional moment that she gets in the game before she offs Joel. And when she does off Joel, the game really adopts Ellie's perspective intensely because there's not all this monologing and there's not all this

Starting point is 00:14:04 explanation. It's immediately portrayed as a villain and they did a couple of different things here that really stood out to me. One is Joel actually says, I saved your life. So there's this one part beforehand where he's, he's not pleading, but he makes one line, he's making one case here to let him go. You know, like, I saved your life. Let me go. I like that he put together who she is and why before she even had to say it. He was able to predict how the consequences would catch up with him, knowing of his fireflies was a smart call. And unlike the game, you're actually, what they did so different here, what they did completely different is Abby killing Joel is in Abby's perspective. That's not how it is in the game. Like you're actually, when Abby

Starting point is 00:14:49 kills Joel or starts even hurting him, you're actually more, even though you were playing as Abby there, you're feeling it more from Joel's perspective. in that moment, Joel and Tommy's. And then you go into Ellie's perspective, which he's witnessing the final moments. And while they capture that final moment from her POV, the fact that they chose to really capture the torture, the buildup and the death,

Starting point is 00:15:11 the first impact strikes of that through Abby's perspective is the show, I think, making a case as well of like, we're going to follow this person. So we need to be like we need to somehow get the audience to, we need to really, I think, really need to get the audience to understand like i am so curious for those who haven't played the game like the blind reactions here are they on board are they able to still enjoy this like what is we had the emotional prep yeah all people who watch the cutscenes got the spoiler or play the

Starting point is 00:15:42 game multiple times like us we have the prep to go in and i remember the first time playing the game and that happening and being livid i was livid i was like this is bullshit i don't want to play i almost didn't want to play either i thought it was bullshit and the fact that that they're making you play a server was bullshit. I hated it the first time. And I loved it by the end of the game. But I'm like, wow, what is the audience feeling right now? So I'm really curious to know that.

Starting point is 00:16:09 But I do like how they actually did it. And I think we have the benefit of being impressed and endeared to it because we have developed a connection to the Abby character in the game to know where the show's going and to know where elements of her growth are expected to go. so yeah uh i'm really impressed on like an adaptation level of how they pulled this off because they gave differences and nuances here uh the the owen part though is like i don't really i kind of as a game fan i think that is like a big driving component for her but i think it's smart for the show to not put the emphasis on that and make it solely about her revenge you know if i

Starting point is 00:16:51 can interject for a second please the thing that i liked about this version of it is where Joel is murdered in the game version it makes it when we get to Abby or when we get to Ellie it positions them as all of them are the bad guys are all in on this as this thing that have conspired to come get Joel for their group revenge but Abby is the one leading the charge whereas in this version it seems like all of them are just appeasing Abby none of them really want to be here and it felt like because Ellie came in they had no choice but to subdue her because she was going to cause damage. She stabbed Manny and, what's her name?

Starting point is 00:17:30 Nora. Nora had to be on top of her to restrain her. And I like the fact that it was less people because some of these other people that were in the larger Salt Lake crew, they kind of die off screen, we don't really get to see them. So the fact that there's only five of them,

Starting point is 00:17:45 these are all people we get to know. And because these aren't people that are malicious or as devoted or as for the causes, this abbey it it only adds more greatness to when we go after them later later in the game because they aren't people that are actively trying to kill joel they are all appeasing abbey and making abbey the driving sole force of this and i also like the fact that she she murdered jol not with a final hit to the head but with the stabbing almost like killing the infected you know you were the you were the infection of my life so i am going to stab you that's it's a

Starting point is 00:18:23 That's a good way. So I think that what is interesting, and I find that I'm very, I find it fascinating that they did that, gave us all that prep to give her such a villainous scene in murdering Joel and putting it from her perspective. And I wonder if that's going to have the same effect for general audiences that they did for the game audience. Are they not going to want to mess with Abby because of that fact? And also, because they've positioned her from the very first scene outside of the very first

Starting point is 00:18:53 new scene of this show, for her to be relentless and motivated to killing Joel. That is her entire life's motivation, which she's dedicated her entire self-worth for the fast five years. Then what's next? You just keep living. So I think I'm curious to see how the show is going to position us as the audience to root for Abby later on to see her in the wake of the things she's been working for for the past five years.

Starting point is 00:19:21 Yeah, and they started off at the top. with that dream sequence where she's looking at her former self and again trying to drive home that like what you're seeing as this revenge person is not really who she is underneath at all as you get to know her throughout the game i i really like it and like pedro's death too like in the game joles very like again i said it in the review of the first one is that i feel Troy baker's um Baker yeah Joel Miller Troy Baker is that Troy Baker's version is is more hardened and Pedro's more broken and like when Pedro's shot in the knee I'm glad they actually didn't make it as gruesome because I feel it might have distracted because when he gets his knee blowing off in the game it's it's gruesome yeah and it's not as it's not as gory right and I like how he's not he's not even responding to the pain you know he's he's empty he's he's accepting the fact that this is his death and I like and again like the difference in delivery

Starting point is 00:20:29 of the moment when he says what is the exact line like if you're going to like get it over with or that when he's saying that he said shut the oh in the game you mean yeah what does he says why don't you why don't you save whatever speech you got hold up and get it over with something and now she gives the speech she's able to get the speech and he cuts her off and he still gives the line but it's a different type of line delivery um because it's like half of the line but he's because he says he's like says shut up right yeah and then shut the f up and then and it does it and i i appreciate that they don't even show that again they're locking into abby's perspective when page in the game when joel says it it's on joel when he says

Starting point is 00:21:11 that line because you as the as the gamer are there with joel and this time they just keep it on abby's reaction which he says it when he says it you don't even see him he's he's he's out of focus in the foreground you know yeah it's a good point also too you were asking me earlier what did i think about the difference in adaptation i will say too i thought seeing this rip apart mel a little bit as well like because you're kind of seeing like because abbey's a good friend of mel's so kind of seeing like wow this is my my friend's capable of doing something like this but i think it kind of akin's back to the dream sequence of like don't walk in there you're going to lose your innocence and like revenge is a very dangerous path you lose yourself in that and we know from

Starting point is 00:21:53 playing the game, where Mel does never, ever sees Abby the same way ever again. So I'd like that we actually got the shift a little bit into Mel's perspective from that. I'd like that they focused on that because we just see it later on in the game and we're kind of told about it. So I think it was very smart to focus and seeing that, like, her crying, like, and also seeing Abby, like, get on or like, do it or I'm going to fucking kill a Dean or whatever. I think that was a very wise and smart choice. also too I thought it was interesting that they very similar to the game they

Starting point is 00:22:24 silenced the dialogue after Joel was killed because we get a flashback later that scene from Abby's perspective where we actually get to hear that dialogue where Owen is kind of being like that pacifist and trying like hey look we just had a job to do we're here just to take care of Joel we're not here to do that and manny's kind of saying yeah but we don't need loose ends which yeah kind of we know later on it's going to be their undoing so it's fascinating that we again silence that dialogue I thought that was really interesting there too. And also, I will say this. What another thing I like that they did, that they

Starting point is 00:22:54 differentiated here. I know that we talked about this Abby not being super muscular and all, but seeing her punch how visceral that was and how personal that was, very wise and smart choice. Because again, when you play the game and you're no longer able to play as Joel

Starting point is 00:23:10 and you take over as Abby, she's like, you know, the brute force, you know, from that perspective. So to feel those punches, you can feel Caitlin Devers. You can feel her rage and how personal. this is and I thought that was a nice touch to give that addition because in the game again we get the

Starting point is 00:23:26 shotgun and also too they added the club to the where he got shot and I love that reaction that you come you bitch like that was genuine because we weren't expecting that we're expecting what we what we know from the game but that's a nice differentiate you know it's funny differentiation's there but again like

Starting point is 00:23:44 those are some good add-ons that I thought you know that differentiate also one last thing I thought that dream sequence, I know we're not talking about that yet, but you guys did mention it, so I'm just reacting to what you guys mentioned. That dream sequence was fascinating, too, because we talked about the parallels. We talked about Abby is now, said she was 19 when her father passed. Now, Ellie is now, Abby is now 19 when her surrogate father, rather, passes.

Starting point is 00:24:11 And we saw that Abby, rather, was having those dream sequences where she walks into the room. Her innocence is now gone. We know that Ellie is going to have. a recurring dream sequence where she walks into that same, not the hospital room, but that's the hospital room where Jerry passed away, Abby's father, and now Ellie is going to be walking into that same, that cabin room, where again, she lost her innocence. So again, the parallels are just, and the symbolism is just, it's unfounded. It's very fascinating how similar Abby and Ellie are.

Starting point is 00:24:39 Makes sense why they did a five-year jump instead of a four-year jump. Yeah, to make them the years match. Yeah, to really drive home that, that paralyism. 25 minutes about this one see I mean it's a pretty important no yeah it really is it's why I was like we should start with this because it is the because the other part is more straightforward um which is the exciting stuff and I think on like a producer creator spot very smart because they have to demonstrate like we can give you the excitement

Starting point is 00:25:12 shit without Ellie and Joel they have to show that yeah And I thought, I think I said it at one point, right? That it seemed like they're probably building up Tommy a little bit more. So that way he'll be the new male lead. Because, yeah, Tommy remains a supporting character off to the side still. He's important, very important character. But he's still off to the side for a lot. And I feel like we've spent way more time with Gabriel Luda than we did with Tommy in the game already.

Starting point is 00:25:43 And we see like him as an actual leader of the community. and then acting like as a general when it comes to fighting he's a badass he's super badass and yeah they really drove that home beyond him having like the sniper skills you know and like I found myself caring for him and Maria

Starting point is 00:25:59 when they're in the trenches and I was like the show's kind of selling me that they might kill Tommy admittedly there's one part of me that was kind of hoping Tommy would die instead of Joel because I love Gino's Joel but I but I I think that was really smart to do that because

Starting point is 00:26:14 it doesn't all it works as a twofold right it works as showing the vulnerability of jackson if tommy does go on the adventure um he's leaving jackson very vulnerable when they need him and maybe it will drive home too like he had a decision to either be with jackson or go save his brother or be with his brother when his brother was clearly missing and he had the choice of like i can't get a hold of joel so i think like even though it's not his fault when someone dies in the situation like that it's often easy to blame yourself or find yourself feeling guilty and i don't know if that'll do that it seems likely that that that could happen to be a part of a driving component um so and uh but but it's also

Starting point is 00:26:58 making me wonder because when when tommy was in it's a really easy way to find abbey is look for the buff ass chick you know it's really easy to like identify her even if you don't know what she looks like you're like look for the buffest woman you could find and that is her and And if he's on a mission and he's not with Ellie and Dina, how is he going to be able to identify her? Right. Because he was there with, he was there in that situation. It's like a regular chick. Yeah, look for the littlest girl. Ellie, no, no.

Starting point is 00:27:29 No, no. No, no. Same height. Maybe there's not a lot of W.L.F.'s named Abby. I don't know. But I think, like, the sequence was so exhilarating. That's the best action scene out of the... Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:27:40 And it didn't stop. It was a game of... I know you haven't seen Game of Thrones. But it's very Game of Thrones level, and part of me is wondering the, if it wanted to sort of evoke a bit of Game of Thrones, because of like the White Walkers, I want to say too much, because I want one day, Andrew to cover it here. Yes. But there's like snow elements and zombie-like characters and battles, you know, and it sort of evokes that. And it's on the same platform where Game of Thrones is. and like Game of Thrones

Starting point is 00:28:10 you sometimes have bad guys who man there's so much I want to say but I will not spoil for you but sometimes you have like characters who are bad as one part I'll say one parallel there's not a parallel I'm going to avoid saying

Starting point is 00:28:24 but where they do end up being characters you become emotionally invested in you know and and then this is also fleshing out the ensemble side of things as well while giving us like a brilliant action scene where you don't have your two leads here to show that like hey you know just

Starting point is 00:28:43 because our main character joel isn't here doesn't mean we're not going to still provide you with a really exhilarating show that you're going to want to stay around for so i thought it was smart um as a producer writer choice to to do that but what did you think about all that stuff i thought all this stuff was was great um yeah and i thought it was awesome my sorry my brain went to the scene of how the episode started where you know Jesse and Ellie are going on the journey in the first place and then she's like me

Starting point is 00:29:17 me and Joel or me and Joel I'm like we're good we're fine now I'm like is that going to be confusing for audiences because the last time we saw them they were yelling and this time she's like we're good the next day but we know the game players that oh because that talk happened yeah they never had a chance to have that we're good now moment at least not to the audience Well, the interpretation, I think, if I hadn't seen it, I would be interpreting that she's lying, that she's being defensive.

Starting point is 00:29:42 Agreed. You know. Yeah. Like, I don't want to talk about it. But she's saying that me and Joel are going to go on a patrol together. And I feel like the episode one, Ellie, be very reluctant to that idea. Yeah, yeah. And if I know Roxy, she probably questioned the shit out of it.

Starting point is 00:29:57 She remembered. If she remembered that, we'll watch it. I mean, she probably like, fucking, like, questioned it. So, I don't know. I can't wait to watch it. Yeah, no, I agree. I'm guessing after, I mean, we have to have that scene. It's one of the most impactful scenes I've ever seen in a video game, so I'm guessing.

Starting point is 00:30:13 Cry every time. I told Aaron, did I not tell you right after I watched that? I was bawling. Every time. Yeah, and I'm guessing after she walked past him in the last episode, she's going to come back or he's going to go with something's going to happen, but they were going to have that scene. You cannot not have that scene. I wonder if it's one of those things were, because how the first episode started, where they show the continuation. of the after the okay because some they filmed in season one i wonder if that's what they did

Starting point is 00:30:39 for this or they're going to go back whenever they do it in season three or four and just reshoot that one scene yeah i'll say like i want to hear your thoughts on it andrew because i thought like that was an interesting thing to infuse when they change the the rules of the infected with this like hive mine and the thing sprouts up and everyone charges you know um that that was an interesting rule to implement and I don't feel like they took they own they had like a sequence in like when test dies in the first season and they had it in episode five right yeah with the big action scene right with the bloater but this actually feels like story wise genuinely catastrophically consequential

Starting point is 00:31:28 yeah and now I love that development because I actually didn't feel like they took full advantage of that change. I agree. And this time they kind of did like a sequel reboot of that idea with like we're going to have one bloater or we're going to have like 10 times a bad of infected, you know? But yeah, what did you feel about that whole thing?

Starting point is 00:31:49 I agree with everything you just said, but also I think this just shows no matter how strong your border walls might be, you are not safe and protected from this because that hive mind can be anywhere and if you set it off, there could be a horde coming after you. And that was, I got to say, I know this is probably a recency bias as one of the most immersive and exhilarating action sequences

Starting point is 00:32:09 I've ever seen on television on television yeah especially who it was like a movie that was like incredible because it was just nonstop tension suspense and incredible action the stunt work it felt so practical I think one of my biggest complaints because everyone knows lord of the rings is my favorite trilogy of all time the fights feel so practical it actually feels like you're seeing thousands and thousands of you know orcs and soldiers fighting whereas in the The Hobbit. I still enjoy those movies. Now, nowhere near the Lord of the Rings. It feels like CGI fights. Yeah. And when I was

Starting point is 00:32:40 watching this, not for one second did I feel like I was watching a CGI battle. I felt like it was a... With infected, I felt like I was watching a practical grounded battle. Well, what's cool with... A lot of times with CGI, which you do, you don't do like bright, sunshiny shit because it's easy to see

Starting point is 00:32:58 the seams of CGI. And you usually, like the first episode with the bloater, It's in darkness what they'll do because you can obscure a lot more and make it look more real visual effects in darkness. And this time they took advantage of a blizzard to hide whatever stuff look like to CGI. For sure. Really smart on how they did that. And I will say this too.

Starting point is 00:33:21 I think because we know the game so well, this was not at all part of the game. No, yeah. It's a genuine first reaction. We don't know what's going to happen. We thought for a second way, is Tommy going to, I don't know. I thought they were going to change the fucking story. Yeah. Are we really deviating? Because I didn't know. I thought there was an actual chance. I really didn't know. But again, that's the fun of being so original. Like Craig and Neil are being here with these situations, creating stuff and, you know, doing stuff like that. And the changes they're making only makes it stronger. I agree. And I think that's great. You know, if we are continuing with the outline of what the story is, so far they've been fairly accurate or.

Starting point is 00:34:02 faithful but with some more flourishes into it i think that the fact that jackson's at a vulnerable vulnerable state is only going to add to that division to a great degree and i'm wondering if we're going to be paralleling abby's or uh ellie's journey with trying to find abby with tommy's journey of trying to find her as well yeah because it seems like we're giving a lot more to to tommy within this this version of the show and what i'm sorry i'm sorry i was just going to say we saw in the first episode because they have so many refugees that are coming in. They're struggling to build. I'm very curious how the town's

Starting point is 00:34:36 going to recover now because so much has been destroyed now and they have so many people that are trying to come in. And also now you've had so many people. It's just going to be fascinating. And I know we're not going to spend a ton more time in Jackson, presumably, if we're going off out of the game with because we're going to kind of go into Seattle

Starting point is 00:34:52 from here, I think. So having said that, I would like to see how we react to in terms of how Jackson is going to recover from the situation because this was a pretty damning just in general what happened with the infected like the horde just basically destroyed the town for the most part so it's going to be again it's going to be a different and interesting angle that they because this i think

Starting point is 00:35:20 aaron really painted it best like this feels like such a lived in community and they did a really good job of establishing that and this has now been really destroyed for the most part and now how do we reclaim that community again yeah one of the biggest changes in season one was taking away the dam where they were living yes and they played they made they put jackson in there um which didn't get introduced to the second game in terms of where tommy's life was at and they had all these developments and characterization of tommy especially and and tommy and joel's dynamic um way more and i think now in hindsight that's even it makes it even stronger that they're did that because there's instead of getting like oh this is new you're back you're just in it now

Starting point is 00:36:07 because the show ends with like we're going to go to jackson or something like that right that's like the implication at least yeah no you see them in the distance yes yes so that's right yeah so they just ended we're going to go to jackson so that way there's not like a whole like well what's this life they've lived now you know um smart smart stuff um yeah i love the whole action that was brilliant um chaotic mess and and deliver the goods. And I know one of the complaints of last season for a lot of people was not enough zombie action and shit. And, you know, as big a fan of I am a last of us, do people get, like, upset when you call them zombies? Then it's zombies, but I don't know it's infected, but I sometimes even say zombies.

Starting point is 00:36:47 They're a version of zombies. Yeah, exactly. They bite them, they turn. And they come and kill you and stuff, you know. They become brain deads. Fungle zombies. Yeah, man. That was a very long talk and one I loved having. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:03 This is one of the, as long as we've been doing real rejects, especially for my end, this is one of those experiences. I will never forget. Agreed. This was awesome. I'm glad we could experience this. I just wanted to say one. Last thoughts, I promise. I'm very curious. I can't wait to see the blind reaction, number one. Yeah. And I'm just curious what the general going on is for people who really didn't know what they're going to react to when they see this episode. i'm very anxious to see yeah yeah also if um if we're going to continue to follow abby through her development through where we know her to be in the second half of the story or we're just going to cut from her perspective until we get that you you had a chance and you wasted it moment and they cut

Starting point is 00:37:42 to black yeah curious yeah all right well the thumbnail is going to be jules dead face it's a spoiler it's a forlars video guys a arrow pointed circle Pointed to the broken golf. I was just going to say it's just a golf. Just put a golf club. Just put top golf. The three of us with golf clubs. Smiling.

Starting point is 00:38:10 Oh, that would be funny. No, I will not put Jill's dead face in. But you know that dead face is going to be everywhere on social media. No, you should have that that gift. No, maybe just the bloater. Maybe because, oh, my God, bloomer. I don't know. You can do this.

Starting point is 00:38:22 It should be, it should be Pedro Pascal with that Nicholas Cage movie. I just want. Wait. like that list you do that that'd be good all right guys well Pedro's fine he's got the fantastic four he lined himself and he's got flashbacks we're still going to see him

Starting point is 00:38:36 yeah he lined himself up for a great success here he's uh he's like all right now that my character's gone I need a new franchise oh perfect Marvel let's do this all right guys what did you think about this episode thank you so much for being here we'll talk with you guys soon thanks for Reject Nation

Starting point is 00:38:51 Thank you.

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