The Reel Rejects - PEACEMAKER SEASON 2 EPISODE 1 Breakdown and Review!!!

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Starting point is 00:02:12 episode one want to thank prepper for editing now these high lines be sure to subscribe click the notification about f y i all right let's go to john first

Starting point is 00:02:24 john my man okay so it's been a while since peacemaker season one Let's get some refreshment here. Did you rewatch? Not rewatch? I'll recap. What you do?

Starting point is 00:02:33 Yeah, yeah. I did a blend of rewatching in regular speed, and then, you know, depending on the needs of the day, rewatched a couple at elevated speed. Also took in the revisited podcast that James Gunn and the casting crew did. Nice. Lovely. Nice. Nice to hear.

Starting point is 00:02:54 So what were your anticipation thoughts before this, and how did you feel, that we have wrapped this first episode up um you know i mean i guess the big anticipation is sort of how are they going to yeah stitch the events of the previous season into this new season and successfully complete the transition from dc e u to dc u uh and i mean we have the start of that here i assume you know i don't fully expect him to just assume this particular chris's life but I have a feeling that yeah this you know crossroads of interdimensionality is going to

Starting point is 00:03:31 be the key to that but yeah this this was surprisingly straight into the character continuation which I thought was a nice surprise because obviously the first season has such a big kind of outlandish sci-fi plot at the core of it

Starting point is 00:03:47 that involves yeah this sort of zombie esk motif whereas this is very much you know at the outset just character oriented. Here's where at least a handful of our remaining team from last time are at right now. And

Starting point is 00:04:03 here's the status quo they're dealing with in the wake of all that. So, yeah, I'm curious to see what the greater game of the season's going to be. But I'm really happy that they chose to go just full on. Yeah, we're just continuing on these emotional journeys for

Starting point is 00:04:19 this outlandish set of characters. Yeah, yeah. Agree with everything you said. Switching legs, because we're switching to Roxy. Roxanne Stryer. Same question. Did you do a rewatch? Any recapping?

Starting point is 00:04:33 And how did, I know you were like commenting early on about like the different looks and stuff. Yeah. Did you guys not feel like it looked very different? You thought it looked pretty similar? I felt like it looked like season to upgrade polish. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:46 Yeah. You get an increase in budget and a little bit more wide frames than. The coloring looks a little different too. Yeah, it looks more polished. But. It's not, it's still like, still feels like a television show, but not, not fully cinematic, but, you know, the right blend of it, at least in my opinion. But yeah, I mean, how did you, did you do any recap? Yeah, I watched a couple episodes. I did a couple of those like 25 minute, reminders. Glad I did because there's a few things that I was like, oh, yeah. I completely forgot about that. Probably while we're watching this, I will go back and rewatch even more of the episodes just because I always think that there's little Easter. Eggs, although, based on the way that this starts, it seems like some of those things are not relevant, and some of them we're going to pretend happened a little differently. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:36 So I'm actually curious if they're going to go back to season one and alter any parts of season one for viewing purposes, because what we just saw in the recap is obviously not what we watched when the show came out. How did you feel about redoing the justice gang into the recap? and stuff. I think that we all probably, when it was announced, obviously, that Gunn and Safran were taking over DC and they were going to be calling the shots and that this was going to be the property that was being kept and that we knew we were going to still have our Amanda Waller. We were still going to have our peacemaker and pretty much for the most part, everything else that was not in those veins was going to be scrapped. The first question for everybody is kind of like, how are you going to do that? what do you mean and every choice that gun has made so far has made me feel more and more confident that while I do believe that there was of course a little bit of ulterior motive and his decision

Starting point is 00:06:37 to want to keep the project that he was most connected to and closest with and his wife's a part of and that was his baby I also feel like he really justified and made it work in a way that didn't feel forced or strange to me and I I'm totally fine with us just kind of pretending this is how it went down and the Justice Gang was here's who showed up and then I feel like we opened this with exactly who we had

Starting point is 00:07:03 and I don't think it's anything too crazy like what you completely eliminated my favorite parts of the show it's just a little bit of extra fluff to be like we know that that doesn't fully check out so here's just some things I think they handled it really well actually

Starting point is 00:07:17 how do you feel about that? I don't care for better or worse Yeah, you know, it's like something. It didn't work for you or work? I don't have like a super strong opinion about it. It's like something that I'm more curious if like if we're dealing with an episode that's dealing with alternate realities. Let's say someone is not following any of this behind the scene shit about takeover of DC.

Starting point is 00:07:42 Let's say someone a couple of years from now is just starting peacemaker. And then they're like, what? Like what's going on? That wasn't what happened. That wasn't who showed up. I would have been very interested to see, like, what that response would be like. Do you think they're going to change it? Do you think they're going to go back to season one?

Starting point is 00:07:59 Like, if you, like, opened up HBO Max and you go there? I mean, that wouldn't be a bad move. I kind of think they wouldn't should. I would hate to lose. I like the scene, though, of the Justice League of Ezra and Momoa. I like that scene. Me too. So I would hate to lose it.

Starting point is 00:08:17 But I'm more curious, though, outside. I didn't. I don't really care. Like, I'm just like, we accepted it. We knew this wasn't going to be canon. We were all kind of curious to see what they would do. And the approach of like, just accept it. I'm like, all right, fine.

Starting point is 00:08:30 I'll just, I'll just accept it. Same. Like, it looked artificial, admittedly. It looked fake because I clearly had to shoot something for it and insert it in. And I think I was aware because of the editing and stuff. And I think a lot of us will where it feels a little odd, like when you, like, make a YouTube edit. But they have to do it for the context. But more so.

Starting point is 00:08:51 This was our first, we had a whole scene here with our first, a real scene with Maxwell Lord. This was our introduction to Maxwell Lord, famously played by Pedro Pascal in Wonder Woman, 1980. Hey, how'd you go to you first? Would you think about that justice gang scene and how did you feel about our first time with Maxwell Lord? Do you feel like it's really made much of an impression? What's your thoughts? I think it's really fascinating that that was probably the scene with the most jokes in it. And that was the saddest scene in the show to me.

Starting point is 00:09:21 So the juxtaposition of those two things at one time is interesting And that's kind of gun sweet spots, right? Like that's what he's very good at is jokes with feel. And that made me so sad because I do think that this season is kind of about a journey to feel accepted Or at least what we saw so far. We're seeing that from multiple characters or to accept not being accepted. And, you know, some things happen towards the end of the episode where I think it's going to make it very, very difficult. for Peacemaker to be accepted

Starting point is 00:09:53 with some of the things that it seems like he's about to do but this scene watching like these three people who are in a position of power really slam him and he's hearing it I mean you have to be

Starting point is 00:10:06 a little bit heartless to not feel for him even despite the things he's done even despite the question like which one of the kills didn't deserve it you know so I thought it was an excellent way

Starting point is 00:10:17 for us to be with the three characters that you know i was kind of wondering how are they going to fit into this made sense and a cool introduction to the maxwell lord uh i am very curious to see more of him but for this he's i think he did a really good job yeah i agree with you i think this whole story will be about self-acceptance and you know like that path of going into the multiversal world would the temptation of like oh yeah i can kind of like disregard my past and have a new pass and a new path laid out for me but at the end of the day you carry you wherever you go so even though he this is he could play pretend and

Starting point is 00:10:56 live this alternate life those memories and stuff are still going to be in there with him those experiences he's still going to carry with him at the end of day it'll be it'll be a facade for him and not a true reality Greg it's one of my favorite things wherever you go there you are exactly yeah exactly how'd you feel about maxwell lord john it was good i mean you know it's it's we had seen that as a promo teaser or something like that so i liked it better obviously obviously in context. It was neat as like a pre-show. Like, oh, the justice gang. How cool. But yeah, I would say I would agree with you guys basically that it does emphasize the kind of out of placeness that Chris is feeling now that he is a little less of that, you know, asshole guy. You know, this is the exact kind of ribbing he would have, he subjects economists to the entire first season. And many other people he would give this kind of treatment to. And yet here, yeah, we see him in a very,

Starting point is 00:11:50 sympathetic light due to that i thought the justice gang and maxwell lord you know their chemistry their involvement was fun and enjoyable but i am curious to see more outside of that particular context just because it's not greatly expanded from that promo no no it's more vulgar and um oh my god yeah this episode in general it's a very vulgar it was uh i didn't know they were gonna do that i had no idea they went all out there very fleshy episode a lot a lot i mean we saw a lot a lot of do you guys i'm phrasing this weirdly but like did you guys appreciate that were you happy to see like the full-blown orgy or were you like kind of that's a lot i mean i don't feel like it neat i don't feel like it did anything really other i was like okay this is graphic but

Starting point is 00:12:48 it just seemed like it was graphic for a graphic sake yeah it didn't actually it didn't seem to serve any real like thing going on other than he is partying and escaping but he's not like a participant in it he's distracting himself with sex which uh you know like he's very driven by that in the first season but it's not I don't know it's just like it wasn't funny it wasn't anything really in fact it was this one of those things where I'm like yeah it's HBO we can go vulgar and it's like it's cool that you can be in the DCU and have a show like this that can be this graphic and sexually graphic too but I was more like this is it's just kind of odd to be because it didn't particularly do anything for me yeah John how do you feel about that my favorite scene I like to go back and scrub it for Easter eggs and hidden details you started drawing it I saw a notepad yeah yeah I actually have a few frames of that scene sketched out if you guys would like to look at them with me later. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's a contrast bit. It's not a new kind of bit now in a post boys and whatever else world. So yeah, like the shock of a bunch of nudity. I get the purpose in that like, oh yeah, this is an environment he should be all about. And yet he is completely sad and despondent and not about it. Yeah, you know, it's fine. Yeah. Good for all the beautiful actors on screen. Reject Nation, I have officially lost. 45 pounds this year. I'm still working on a couple of extra goals for body composition development.

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Starting point is 00:16:47 And like you were saying, he can't even like participate anymore in these past vices, these past behaviors. Like it's a habit to do these things, but it's clearly not a want to want to do these things. So yeah, there's like context where I feel like it serves it. But it seemed like extreme just for extreme sake. But outside of that, I mean, I thought the episode was actually pretty great. I was pretty surprised by like they really kind of focused in more on the. melancholy and the heart like like Chris is sad hardcore is dealing it with a lot of hyperaggression and I like the duality when it complements like previous seasons like you've seen some of

Starting point is 00:17:28 what peacemaker was doing in the previous season and how he's acting out with this one with hardcore she has like that cool bar fight and the first season where she just whips ass but this is one where it seems like she kind of wanted to get hurt herself like she she didn't want to just come out there and win. It seemed like she wanted to actually receive some blows herself. And weirdly, even though she doesn't win the fight, I was like, this is probably the best fight. One of the best fights I've ever done on the entire series.

Starting point is 00:17:53 Yeah, it was amazingly done. The way it was cord. And the emotionality behind it, too, was awesome. And I think this episode is a great reminder that she's not just James Gunn's wife. Like, the first season experiencing that, I don't know if I figured I learned it like halfway through or even. went the whole season about knowing but i didn't know for a while that she had any relationship with james gun outside of the show and i was like he's an amazing actress and it seems like

Starting point is 00:18:20 after jennifer holland was you know everyone was like oh my god she's dating james gun she's james gunn's web some of the people are like trashing her because that's the way the fucking world works um but this is a reminder like no she's i don't look at her like that i'm like i see hardcore that's that's how i see and uh i thought her performance here was was stellar you seem like you're really driven with her this time yeah i really do i First of all, I completely agree. Like, you know, okay, so he casts his brother and his wife and things. They're both really good, so I don't care at all.

Starting point is 00:18:50 And so does every other filmmaker I've ever known cast their best friends. Like that, you cast people you trust because set can be very difficult and you want to work with people that you have a rapport with. I have no issue with that at all. And I think that she's really talented. I also, I think it's interesting that one of the points this show is trying to make is that the closer you are with peacemaker, the more messed up your life might seem to get.

Starting point is 00:19:14 Sure. And I think that that's kind of going to be an interesting dynamic and through line, especially because now the obvious assumption is that now that he has killed his other self, that he's going to be able to live these dual lives, right? And he's going to probably go try and be with the girl that he wants to be within his universe,

Starting point is 00:19:33 but he hasn't earned and can't get. And he's going to go and be with the brother that he has always wanted to be with, but doesn't exist where he is. And he's going to be with the father and try to receive the love from this father that he's always wanted, but again, could not receive. And so

Starting point is 00:19:46 to feel like immediately he's probably going to have what is kind of like his hit of Coke or his orgy, that rush of like, yes, but knowing that it's not earned and it's not real. And thinking about the people on his planet

Starting point is 00:20:02 who the closer they get, the harder their lives are, as opposed to on the other planet, the closer they got seemingly the more symbiotic their lives were. So I think we've set up a really cool future. That's what I'm guessing we're going to explore this season that I'm very interested in. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:18 Yeah. John, do you feel overall about the show? Yeah, I really like this continuation. It definitely, it's weird. It didn't feel to me quite as much like an episode one place setter kind of, I don't know, there's something about an episode one that feels very sort of singular as well as the enroad

Starting point is 00:20:34 to a bunch of other things. This almost felt like episode two. Not in a bad way, but it was just that sort of like in media res thing of like, okay, we're right back in with the context and we're not even feeling like we're doing a lot of replace setting. We're just moving straight ahead with what the characters are experiencing.

Starting point is 00:20:51 Do you think that's because of the time jump that you felt that way, the six months later? I mean, that's part of it probably too. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, because yeah, the whole like justice gang thing is such like a sort of centerpiece for the prolog. And then, yeah,

Starting point is 00:21:06 you kind of go on beyond that. But yeah, as an episode. I mean, I was still really wrapped by what's happening with the characters. I mean, I really like Atabio, especially, and Economos, and it was cool to see them. I'm excited to get a better sense as the show continues into season two as to what their involvement is going to be, because they were in different ways so endearing the first season, so charming. Like, it was nice to get a little back and forth with Adrian Chase for a second there. That was the funniest.

Starting point is 00:21:38 Yeah, he's always a... delight um but you know i think it's appropriate that this focused most major leon chris and amelia uh but i am excited as the show progresses for the ensemble to kind of take hold a bit more again yeah well um i can't quite say i feel the same way because i mean i finished my rewatch like two weeks ago and this feels like the next episode to like in terms of like watching the the eight episodes I forget how many there are eight

Starting point is 00:22:12 watching the eight episodes and then watching this I'm like yeah this feels like the next instance like episode nine yeah it feels like it feels like a proper

Starting point is 00:22:20 so I didn't quite feel like even with the time jump yeah yeah and I just felt like there was a there was a time jump and I appreciate it because like it ends off

Starting point is 00:22:29 with like you know out of bio exposing everyone and then Chris a hardcore waking up and holding his hand so at first I was going Oh, are they doing that thing where they should be together, but then they're not?

Starting point is 00:22:43 And that's annoying. They're just going to do that, will, they, won't they again? But actually, the context, if she was in a coma, then she wakes out of it, and she, like, learns all this shit about how she's being exposed, it would make sense that she would pull away, and that she would. And now she feels like even more isolated, so she wouldn't be willing to let Chris in. And I like how this one's setting them up now. I think the time job helps because now, instead of only at being peacemaker's story,

Starting point is 00:23:08 and then you get the others picked up along the way. It seemed like the main character focuses last time were out of bio and Peacemaker. Now it seems like the parallels are going to be drawn between Peacemaker and Harcourt because James goes why. Of course. It's required.

Starting point is 00:23:25 So, yeah, I didn't mind it at all. We all seemed very, very excited about the reveal of the brother. Yeah. Was that something that you guys were expecting for the season or is even like on your mind for a possibility that we were going to be going there? In the rewatch time was like, oh, that must be a thing that they include. I don't know if his casting was announced. I don't even know the actor's name.

Starting point is 00:23:51 No, I'm trying to say. I should. I think it may have been Roy from the office. Yeah. That's his name. I'll look it up. I think I've seen is Roy from the office. That's his name on IMDB.

Starting point is 00:24:03 The funny thing is his name is on the tip of my tongue and I can't. cannot produce it but I try to give you a hint I didn't realize he would be in this show but I feel like I saw something somewhere about James Gunn talking about casting him so I was like oh yeah he's gonna be somewhere in the DCU I think he's really good casting and I like the idea of seeing a different side of Robert Patrick compared like this is showing the nurturing side and how experiences can shape us it doesn't even look like drag like here they're celebrated heroes and it doesn't even look like like Robert Patrick is a racist in this side of the world. Yeah, maybe with the love of his son, he was able to walk a better path. His name is David Denman, and his casting was announced, but I don't know

Starting point is 00:24:49 it says mystery role. Ah, okay. That makes sense. Yeah, that looks great, though. Yeah, he's good casting because he's been in so many, like, he's been a surprise supporting character in, like, multiple war movies,

Starting point is 00:25:03 and he's known for comedy, so. You know what I think is interesting about that scene with them is the fact that we get to see what a dynamic would look like if you felt love and safe, which, you know, I think Peacemaker has always wondered if I hadn't killed my brother, if my dad hadn't lost his favorite son or whatever, what could the future have been. And that's what that looked like. However, no shade on that version of Peacemaker, that version of Chris that we don't know.

Starting point is 00:25:35 but he was the weaker of the two fighters, possibly because he had love and safety his whole life. And our peacemaker is maybe a little tougher. Maybe you're a little grittier. Maybe, you know, that is where his strength comes from. It's like why every single Disney princess is missing a parent. Sometimes, like, you know, you need to build that. And I'm hoping that it does become a strength, not a weakness.

Starting point is 00:26:03 And then maybe one day he can have kind of, I don't know about it all, but a relationship with his brother on real terms, not fake terms. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm also with that, though, it's interesting because I'm like, okay, in our world, before the brother died, they were still like trailer park home. The dad was still a crazy abusive guy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:27 He was pitting them to fight and having people place bets. It seems like that's not their world. Seems like in the other world, the dad is not that at all that guy. It's that he was actually an okay guy. We don't know, I guess, actually, with their past. Yes. I mean, really curious to see if, like, that was the timeline where everyone's racist is just normal. This is the timeline where that side of the world is just so dominant and everyone, that's the prevailing side.

Starting point is 00:26:50 He was still talking about the imps and, like, that whole story. And I was kind of trying to, like, track how more how peacemaker is feeling, but I was also thinking, is this story totally above board? like the way that they're speaking still sounds insensitive yeah i bought that it was supernatural but it did make me wonder yeah yeah yeah and i'd also to that end i wonder if at any point during this season because it seems like the the breadth of possibility of alternate dimensions is going to be a thing if we might ever see a universe in which chris is the one who died yeah and like you know what that would do you know just to the alternate mirror dimension version of keith of oggy of all that stuff great point love that thought i'm kind of wondering if my final my one thing

Starting point is 00:27:31 theory would be that they will learn the truth about their peacemaker who died and then I feel like Keith and Robert Patrick will then come to our earth and want revenge or something like that. What do you see it now that we're here obviously Rick Flagg is doing his best to destroy peacemaker but knowing that there could be more Rick Flagg juniors out there do you think that there might be some possibilities for him to try and experience that and get peacemaker to help him with that. Yeah, I think, I don't feel like we'll bring like a Rick Flagg Jr. back, but I feel like Rick, everyone's story in some way is going to be about accepting

Starting point is 00:28:13 the past that has been dealt to them and not just dealing with it in anger or drowning themselves in vices. And I think like on his path of revenge, somehow he will also come to a term of acceptance, Even if it is, you know, countering it a Joel Kidman cameo in another Earth, you know, I feel like it could ultimately lead to that. But, yeah, that prediction, I feel like is sound. I think, you know, when it comes like parenting and acceptance, that's a big theme that James Gunn likes to deal with. Even in the you can see the Superman. So, yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:45 Overall, solid start. Solid first start. I'm excited to see what else is in store. We throw it off to you, gang. You justice, gang. What did you think about this episode? Leave your thoughts down below. Roxanne glad you could join us

Starting point is 00:28:58 Thank you for having me Thanks for being Adrian Chase We'll see you guys soon

The Reel Rejects - PEACEMAKER SEASON 2 EPISODE 1 Breakdown and Review!!!

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