The Reel Rejects - PEACEMAKER SEASON 2 Episode 8 Breakdown & Review

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

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Thank you to Huell for sponsoring this video. More on them in just a bit. It's good people. And speaking of good people, Chris Smith is trying to be one. Let's see if he sticks the landing in episode eight. Whoa. Where the cameo that was. Thoughts.

I got thoughts. So many things. I'm sure we all have thoughts. I didn't think once. But if you guys have thoughts, stay tuned. We'll all talk about all the thoughts. John, you really hyped up the crazy. cameo from halfway through the episode.

I was like, what is John talking about? That's what I will check. I will double check, but that's what James Gunn, I read, said, I don't know. No, John, it's okay. I don't know. I don't know anything about it. All right, Julian, it's a hungry

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Very much appreciate that. All right. Peacemaker, season two is in the can. Let's just gauge initial thoughts and feelings. Gee, how's this striking you in these moments after finishing? Oh, boy. I wish you weren't going to me first.

Roxy, how is this striking you in the moments after completing the episode? You got this, Greg. All right, I'll go first. This was a very emotional season of television, and I appreciate that first and foremost over everything else this season. I think there's a lot of stuff to discuss, or at least to debate in terms of the nuts and bolts and the plotting and the world building. and what the focus really truly was.

But I will say that across the board, and certainly in this episode, the acting has been top-notch, and there has been a lot of lovely writing in the character-personal emotive department. I feel like the strongest writing in this season has just been lifey, interpersonal stuff. This episode moved me to tears a couple of times,

out of bio, you know, breaking up with Kia, super candid scenes super like lived like god damn you're just writing the harshest realist you know life experience and giving it to these characters but it's something universal um all this stuff with like chris and hardcore and does it mean anything that we went to this you know lovely night together out on this boat and saw this obscure swedish band i like or wherever they were from all that stuff is great uh as like you know a comic book show sequel that excites me in one way because it's not exactly the thing you expect. But at the same time, I know there's a lot of stuff that we expect and we desire in terms of DC, mumbo, jumbo,

juju, and otherwise. And I think that's, yeah, where the curiosities will arise. And now, I assume you guys have had some time to warm up. Roxanne, I was listening. Roxanne, how do you feel? I didn't say you got this, Greg, because I wasn't ready to talk. I just was being. trying to be supportive. I actually have thoughts and feelings that I'm ready for, but yours are awesome. Oh, thanks, rocks. I think that it's so, I love this show, and I loved season two of this show, despite knowing that, okay, like, okay, here's how I want to phrase this, and I need you guys

to know, I'm so grateful that I was brought along for this journey, and I love doing this with you guys. but I actually think I like it less talking about it. Like I think that I might have preferred this show if I was watching it at home because there's a lot of flaws with it. And it's one of those things where the more I think about some of the things that we put out there,

the more I'm like, you guys introduced a lot of things and you promised a lot of things and I don't feel like you fulfilled all of your promises. Despite me really enjoying everything you did put in front of me, you introduced these big concepts that I feel like we kind of pivoted from or ditched relatively quickly or moved back from after I'd already kind of forgotten about it

or not cared about it anymore. So I think it's so fascinating that while, like, Tara was here before and she said to me, oh, I didn't know Peacemaker's Season 2 is out. She said, I watched all of Season 1. Should I watch Season 2? And I said, yeah, I love season 2. And then I was like, but there's a lot of flaws with it. And I would recommend it, but I don't know if the boys fully would.

Actually, I think they would. Like, I felt like I was having to qualify a lot of things. So it's kind of interesting. But overall, I feel like this was a part of a D.C. machine more so than it was a season of television. I think that this was like, we are, this is the D.C. universe. Here are more of our players. Here are other places we might go. Here are people that you might see.

And here are concepts that might be explored in the DCU moving forward, as opposed to this was an isolated season two of a TV show, which at some point looking back, we might be like, oh, that was effing awesome, more so than I'm feeling right now. Why did you say you don't like, I was a little bit confused on why you said you don't like, why you would like it more if you weren't talking about it? Yeah, not because I didn't want it to sound like it's because I love watching it with you guys. but sometimes you ever watch a show at home and then you finish the show and then you go and cook dinner and go to sleep and you don't think that much about it. You're not in your critical mind.

I'm just like sitting and watching a show and being like, that was awesome. Because there's a lot of awesome shit. There's great characters and I'm a lover, love or love shippers ships. All the hardcore Chris stuff, I was like, yeah, the makeout scenes, let's go. And I think that if I wasn't actually thinking about

what kind of show is this and what does this mean? then I might just be like, that show rocked. But now when I'm sitting with you guys and maybe I'll feel one of you guys kind of have like a, about something. And then I'm like, oh, you're kind of right. That wasn't an ideal moment. So that's kind of what I mean, if that makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah, I feel you. Sorry. No, no, no. Okay, yeah. That makes a lot of sense, actually. And I think I would more than likely echo that sentiment now that I understand what you mean. I feel like I would probably be in the same boat. Totally.

John, you resemble the audience best here right now, for sure. Well, for sure. I'm choosing to kind of go with the idea that it depends heavily on which lens you want to look at this through. I am most enthused about this through the lens of like, I like all the 11th Street kids, and this is clearly mostly focused on their emotional journeys, awesome, as like a functioning part of the DC machine. I don't know quite what this amounts to. Well, I don't, I'm not even sure on each lane that it fully succeeds in each one of those departments. I think the acting can supersede, like there would be writing scenes where I feel like it's isolated so well.

I think the scene between ads and wife. Kia? Yeah, I heard key, but I don't know. I think ads and her is probably the best representation of that. This is actually a well-ridden scene. And this is a beautifully acted moment. But I am not quite connecting with this as much as I'd like to. Because at the end of the day, it is a scene within a show with a larger narrative.

And it's not like, where's my DC shit? It's not even coming down to that. It's more that this was not really something that I feel like had the proper attention throughout the season for me to give to care as much about it even though it's a strong scene i could logically discern that but i also got to be honest with myself and go i don't really feel like i feel as much for this as i'd like to feel just because of how the over that's what i mean by i don't even feel like sometimes the emotional part is quite paying off as as strong because i think a lot of those intentionalities and what you're speaking about john i think a lot of

audiences definitely feel that i mean even last week you know um i won't speak for your guys's opinion even though i know we shared a lot of similar ones but on my on my end i was pretty critical about a lot of stuff and you know the audience it would seem even on like fucking x which is known for being so volatile was like this rocks you know he was so in love with i'm like all right maybe i'm just like not in that camp anymore um that's feeling fully aligned with the way the audience is feeling and I think this might be another example of that where I think the like acting is great the emotional moments are great I love the scenes with like hardcore and and and Chris in the beginning fleshing out that moment that led there I feel like narratively like there's a lot of things

I'm not going to say not not everything was well constructed throughout the season I think a lot of it was but ultimately by the time we get to this finale I think there are things that they do build up to I think there are as a season of television you are building up to stuff and then payoffs I feel like kind of undermined it at the end of the day seven of these episodes were really revolving around what is this other multiversal planet you know yeah even if there was in him going there there there was like the attention there and and we really expressed how I felt about how that ultimately landed and then the setup of this multiversal stuff with the doors and everything like I don't know I don't I don't feel like I needed to

really necessarily hop around the world even though that would that shirt that would have been fun i guess i'm still processing yeah i'm with you gregg on that like i this is what's really weird about this i care about every one of the 11 street kids like i i genuinely love the characters and i care about all of their relationships with each other so in any of the moments in which we have ads talking to chris like trying to convince him he matters and he has a in their relationship or Amelia finally saying you know it meant everything to me or even economists like standing up for and being there for him and being convinced to be there or vigilante even tasering him like anything to do with them with each other I'm so all in I love

this crew and I love them together it's it's some of the other surrounding things like unfortunately ads in her wife where I was was like, I don't know whether this was on purpose or not because we were about to ditch her, but I completely forgot that this was a storyline that we were going to come back to. So, like, while I'm like, Danielle Brooks has the best, I think this was her best performance yet. Like she, and she's phenomenal. She absolutely knocked this episode out of the park. That being said, it was so crazy to spend three minutes of this episode on something that I was like,

and? And that's so not right. Because if you had asked me episode one of this season, I cared a lot about their relationship. I wanted to know where it was going to go. But just by this point, I didn't care anymore. So when we kind of deviated anything that isn't our crew, it was a little more difficult.

Even like things like Vigilante and his mom, even though it's funny. I'm like, I only really care about our people. Yes. I'm very much aligned with you, honestly. because the when it gets to the friend invention when they're all talking to him as i guess my feelings overall with some of the stuff is that just because there are some really great scenes does not make up for the lack of journey into some of these great scenes and like vigilante for example adrian i didn't really feel like him and chris the friendship throughout this season at all honestly like i didn't really get ads intervene like i didn't really get much of a sense of that either outside of like if i really rack my brain maybe there's like a scene or two that i can find that that kind of spotlights is i think hardcore chris was the thing they nailed yes that is like yes you nailed that

yeah like i i love i like the scene and the friend mentioned a lot is i feel like that's what the whole episode the whole season's actually about right is he's looking for this other family he's looking for identity there when really it was all here in front of him the entire time like that's the point of what they're saying the found family thing that James Gunn's really good about and Chris finally accepting and realizing

this is what he has I don't feel like I think there was a lot of other focuses that were just really intercepting a lot of that emotional journey to the point where I'm like well you can't just like suddenly make it all about the finale but here's what I think

I think a lot of people are not going to be agreeing with me on that at all I feel like most people will probably be like I saw it with last week's episode I didn't see that so I what happened last week everybody just loved love everyone loved it and they were especially highlighting like seen his performance when Keith was dying or he was like no I fucking phenomenal it was phenomenal like I can look at that and go that is yes amazing acting it's a great moment but I didn't really see him and Keith Bond so I don't really feel much here you know like it's stuff like and that's kind of what I feel with a lot of this season in particular is sometimes you highlight a great scene but there's this journey here that I don't feel like I was really on board for and and then you have my attention kind of zigzagging around a lot of stuff so yeah that's that's that's that's the main thing because you know more like yeah I'm like a seven six six point five to seven out of ten I would probably summarize that being in Coy's interview with David Denman they actually talked a little bit about this um I know you guys

have both seen it, where David Denman talks about how he spent very little time with John Cena. And I kind of thought that interesting because he was saying, you know, like, John Cena told me a little bit about like some wrestling stuff, but he was like, I really spent, I don't know him at all, and I spent very little time with him. And I didn't think about that as much offset as I did on. And I think what you're feeling, Greg, there, was that they actually weren't on screen all that much together. No.

We didn't have that many scenes. and then the scene that he is potentially dying was so brilliant but a lot of the buildup was not necessarily there maybe because of the 30 minute episodes sorry John I ran over you for a sec no no I mean I've been absorbing everything

you guys have been saying I agree with I agree with most everything as well like it's I I like in a typical plot structure yes I like again a situation like this where, you know, you have all these exploitable elements and someone is choosing to clearly wants

to prioritize emotional dynamics. But the thing I think the season had, I wouldn't say it was lacking the entire time or didn't have any dynamics, but it had, like, really weird dynamics. Because, like, the flow, and again, we've talked about, like, how would this fare as a binge versus a week to week?

But, like, there's something about the, there are a lot of great scenes and a lot of great moments, and they make sense in a line to a degree but this yeah I had a very sort of disjointed sense across the totality of it of

yeah like it seemed like yeah they had trouble teeing up these moments and really making every character feel well rounded there are people that I would forget about for the first half of the season and then the second half of the season I appreciated in like

episode six the way Chris isn't very much around but he has these couple moments that are very impactful. But, like, these last day episodes have sort of felt, and this one may be the least because it was A, longer, and B, definitely had more, Chris. But I feel like we've been so detached from his perspective throughout this season.

Yes, I agree. And it, you know, makes him feel sort of, not anonymous, but kind of like, yeah, we... Economist. It'll literally cross my mind, too. It's like, I like even the idea of changing the dynamic and having it to be that we're, We're mostly looking from the perspective of the rest of the ensemble.

And you can kind of have that improve some of the stuff here, but it doesn't alleviate this sense that all of the characters unfortunately suffered to some degree from like what feels like sort of random plotting and proportions of like, okay, we're going to go on a joke diatribe for a little while and it's not going to amount to munch or come back to anything. And it's just like we're kind of chilling and having fun, which is fine to do if you are nailing everything. else, but if there's stuff that feels like it could have gotten more time and you're using time for silliness that isn't really affecting anything. Yeah,

it's weird. It's like there's so much craft here and it feels like someone built all this with a lot of love and intent. Definitely. But it also doesn't feel like they had enough time or enough, I don't know what, to like, finesse all the moments together and like round the story

out. There's so many individual things that I kind of want to talk about as you're saying that. I'm thinking like, right like we we all had a little bit of a sticking point in last week's episode finding out that there is a Hitler mural even though it was a joke because we are making fun of Chris for not being observant at all for missing the big picture right but then in this episode he's talking about this very episode we're supposed to believe that the arc has been that like he gets it now and it's like but that was just last week like but now you've got all these astute observations even from a month ago when you're like no I'm not saving you, Hartcourt. I'm saving him from you at the diner or at the burger spot. So it's like that that's kind of weird.

I want to get your thoughts on something, though, because we haven't touched much on it. And I know that throughout we all seemed a little confused. The Rick Flagg stuff. So when was like kind of the pivot? What was the deal with Rick? Yeah. It just seems so extreme.

It really did. Like what? You just became like. a non-layered bad guy now i don't know what happened to you man uh it's like there's no way you went through all this just to banish i mean i imagine is that though is that what they're trying to tell us that he went through all this just to banish chris that's what it felt like to me that they were but that's explicit specifically what he said he wasn't doing to what whatever her name is yeah that whole thing he thinks they have that

they bother to go to the length of him being like oh he's smart enough to be like see now chris thinks i'm motivated by revenge and you're like oh Maybe this guy is more intricate than you imagined. And then all in a montage, it seems like that guy's gone. Well, I mean, yeah, I thought he was lying or at least lying to himself. So it doesn't surprise me that he was lying. It just does seem like he became just a bad guy. Like Lex Light.

Yeah, like it seems like he's actually just subservient to Lex now. They're very lucky that they cast Frank Grillo because Frank Layers everything. And I love watching him perform. but even the dynamic between him and his lover, I'm sorry I don't remember the character's name. Sol Gonzalez is the actress. Bordeaux. Bordeaux, thank you.

She's a character that I couldn't have cared less about the entire season. I know, and then the last episode they're like fucking care about it. It's so reliant on that me caring about her and then I was just like... She grew a conscience. We like her now. Right. So, and she's like part of the...

So, like, I think ads in Hartcourt are maybe my two favorite characters on the show and now I'm supposed to like girl gang this and I was like no but is a duo I like the two girls like I don't really need this other girl in here and you want a reason to root for her

to come around and join them or something and when she does it you're just kind of like I'm glad you're not down for the idea of an interdimensional prison system but right I kind of wanted her to be like no I am a meta and I should have stopped this before I realized it was just targeting metas

but sometimes it takes it to in your own backyard for you to realize something's wrong like go there then yeah like now let's dive into the depth and that's why i said halfway through that i wish the other episodes were breathing the way this episode is breathing because then i'm like this episode would probably hit 10 times harder right if the other episodes took their time because yes i think there was some like outline choice that maybe james gun got obsessed with i'm just pondering here obviously because for a while behind the scenes he was saying the first five episodes

and then it becomes like a different show in the last three and it does feel like a different show but I feel like that first five even though six is probably the most impactful episode I feel like the first five is that was this chunk where the audience was bitching a lot

like you're too short what's happening here that weirdly I felt like flowed better than unified yeah than uh than 6, 7, and this one especially. Because, yeah, I think this episode is the best paste and the most breathing room. But again, that's why I meant by not getting the, because I'm there with you, like, man, she's doing a good job in the scene.

But I kind of want a little bit more meat to this. Even with Chris rejecting his friends, like he, he just went through an experience where he watched his dad die again. And he's under the impression. He just got his brother killed again. And he lost all of his hope for that family. And I don't feel a much sense of a grief over that. Despite him talking about him being cursed and stuff, I'm like, I think this guy would be, like, the grief would be even heavier right now

than what we're seeing here, you know? That stuff like that where I feel like we're missing. Like, I think there would have been an episode dedicated to just the grieving if the show lean more. kind of feel like the show was at odds with like do we want to be like our cool dc show or do we want to be our emotional show yeah you know and i think it kind of got lost a bit in the blunder there but james good said this was his favorite thing he's ever written so you know again i'm like i just must be not right there with him and a lot of other people on this one it makes me curious because guardians two is the one of the three that at the time and granted this doesn't look like it'll have a traditional

old three even if peacemaker returns but like i remember that movie being such where i was like this is like more disjointed and messy and kind of harsh of personality than the other two and then way down the line being like okay but i kind of see what the method is to the sort of unruly madness here i wonder if that could happen with this season and i feel like i can see what he's getting at because of the concepts presented but it's like it's it's the the trouble becomes you know that they're capable of nailing this. And so when they're not nailing it or when it feels like a bit anemic or like pieces are missing, it stands out more. And I think this episode is in a weird position because it does have the best breathing room and it does have the best opportunity to

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But I agree with you, Greg, that 1 through 5 kind of like were in a way more laid out clearer. And if we had pivoted 1 through 5 to focus on the things that ended up happening in 6, 7, 8, taking away the Michael, Rooker storyline, even taking away some of the stuff like from the beginning of Sean Gunn, which I loved that episode, the first episode, but like him going through the audition process and not getting it. Like, we just spent so much time meandering that if we hadn't done that, I think six, seven, eight could have been exactly what they were and I would have loved them if I felt that one through five justified six through eight.

And I still did really like them, but imagine if we had spent more. more time with ads and her wife and dealing with like do I do I be with who I love or do I do I do what I think I'm meant to be like if we had saw that instead of just heard the explanation imagine if we grappled more with Rick Flagg being like I I can't get rid of this hate in my heart I have to I need to go after him yeah imagine if we had spent more time on Earth X and with Gino master and ads being like we can't leave this plan. it until we try to help like we or chris and his family members actually spending any time together or chris's brother and chris showing the what really the bond is so like if all of that had been what we

focused on then i think six seven and eight would have been like what chef's kiss yeah you said the the right word for me you said grapple and i think this season lacks grab like the difficulty of of choice that's such a big part of character conflict is when you have to make a choice and how difficult that is you know like okay so when a heart court comes from

Chris is if you look at last episode Chris was with he was with the other hardcore right and he's falling in love with her he's having this relationship with her and in a heartbeat it's like all right uh no more with you you know once he learns once you finally realize he surrounded

by nazi shit and and to me that's kind of a lot of this season is is there's not much of a deliberation of like what do we do take the scene with soul gonzalez and jennifer holland you know jennifer holland's character is at this point broken and can't and so she's being presented with oh they're doing this thing with the metahumans and and hardcore's like like well who cares that's not what we can do but then in a second later she's like all right i'm going to take you to ads yeah and like literally one second later it doesn't live in any of the it doesn't live in the conflict of like what do we do we saw her fighting people at bars at the beginning yeah yeah it's it there's a lot there's a lot of uh there's a lot of uh there's a lot of stuff

they're doing but yeah yeah there's been a i guess that's the thing is it i feel it's a little under-serve, but yeah, I mean, I just keep passively saying, you know, hardcore and all that was really well done. But thank goodness for that. Thank goodness for that because that was a seed that was planted in episode one. We found out about what had happened in the past with the boat. And then for this entire eight episodes, we've been wanting her to say it meant something to her because we know it did. And then when we finally

got that reveal, it meant everything. It felt so earned. Yeah. So honestly, that's kind of why I loved the seat. season is because that's what the show is and they they did kick butt with that well what do you think's going to happen what's like the ending here but ending in terms of what chris is just there chris is just out there like they don't know the future of peacemaker was that just a publicity thing to say to get people to watch i have no idea but i i i there was some quote out there we can look it up about james gunn saying or or jennifer holland or somebody being like yeah like there's not

going to necessarily be a season three or we don't know. I saw that. Yeah. Are there rumors of them making a peacemaker movie? Could be. Oh, gosh. I mean, it seems like it ends. It seems like it ends in a way where he definitely will be revisited. It's weird. You could leave him there forever

if you had to. But I feel like this is clearly wanting to, yeah, be a thread that we'll see again later because obviously having this prison is going to make a big wave throughout the DCU. I think I'll come back in Man of Tomorrow. I do too. And I think that that lends itself well because obviously we're very heavily going to feature Lex and Man of Tomorrow.

And Lex's whole goal is to get all the metas to this other planet. And what were we calling it? Salvation. Salvation. To salvation. So I think that we will see. I honestly do think exactly John what you made, joked about in here, like bearded, grizzled. I think that that's probably what we will see.

Yeah, so I think that we'll get him But I'm kind of just like How are we going to get Amelia back And ads, like our people Because they're not going to be there And I don't think they're going to be heavily featured In Man of Tomorrow, so Does seem like you need a peacemaker

Slash 11th Street Kids centric project To justify having them around I mean checkmate seems like it would be something for the future I don't call checkmate I know when we saw the reveal He'll be waiting against it. It must be because I didn't know it. I was like, huh?

I mean, you know, it's a good motif to be like, ah, you know, we're playing the game right back at you and we're going to, you know, checkmate the tyrannies of this friggin society that we live in a society of... Do we play chess earlier in the season? I don't know. I don't remember that. I do think in the way that peacemaker broke Lex out,

maybe Man of Tomorrow breaks. peacemaker out and then we get season three of Peacemaker because we just don't have to deal with getting them out. And then they rush man of tomorrow onto streaming so that you can understand peacemakers. But the games begin.

Yeah, I don't understand. I don't think they should make a movie. I think that'd be terrible. I mean, if they can't if I feel like there's this many storytelling problems with a season of television, I'm like, don't do a movie then. Did you guys prefer season one? A thousand percent.

Season one is way more easily i liked i liked what it's like i get why this is his favorite thing in theory i'm like the the themes and the emotional nuances are arguably much stronger here but the execution is way more smooth and proportionate in one i just much prefer the ideas of this of this like as opposed to the butterfly people yeah i much prefer earth x and what does that mean and um like what we were dealing with and the tone of this one honestly i prefer the tone and the and the concepts so part of me likes the season better than one acknowledging that one is a much tighter better done well you were highlighting the

11th three kids and like that's why you like this and that's why you care and i really feel that that first season did an excellent job with all of the characters and then you're right forming as a found family and the connection like with all their arcs including vigilante i i really think they nailed that and chris's arc too so to me even if we're looking at isolating the characterization and the emotional journey maybe they don't have as maybe john sina doesn't have as big of an acting scene where he has to bawl and cry no he does not he's got a couple of like emotional moments. But I think as a writing and characterization

and character storytelling, I think season one is much stronger. You're absolutely right. That's not wrong in anyway. I just like like some of the stuff here. Yeah, no. I get you. No, no, I completely get you. I thought I might walk out

liking this more when we were like halfway through. Yeah. It's that thing of like I am with you in spirit and the thing about watching this is I get too frustrated with the knowledge that they could easily fix what's wrong I'm like I really love all the

stuff they're going for and I'm I can't get past the frustration of the potential of that like it's weird it's like the potential is what I love and it's also what makes me frustrated yeah and it's hard to let go of that because of all the things that are great and yet

the totality of them feels quite disjointed like I'm not even bothered by this of judo master completely forming the alliance by going to checkmate and Tim Meadows joining. I'm really not bothered by it. I'm like, okay, whatever.

But in hindsight, if I really want to like fucking foot my critical brand, I'm like, I feel like you would probably need, like, when did this Tim Meadows thing happen outside of like a couple of little things of him being like, hey, I don't like my boss doing this one thing here. And at Juno Master 2, I get he bought out of bio.

But there was a whole other crazier history when they showed up to terrible things. Yeah. I was like, oh, wait, okay, I guess you guys are here now. Right, because we're seeing, what's so weird is that there was that montage. We're seeing Rick Flagg and team laugh while Tim Meadows team is dying. But Tim Meadows isn't watching Rick Flagg's teams laugh. We're watching that.

So, like, you're having to put the pieces together that what happened was Rick Flagg screwed over Tim Meadows team one too many times. And then Tim Meadows was like, screw this. want to be with this team but we didn't you know see that he didn't sit in the grapple we didn't sit in the grappling of his ideology being challenged of a man who's been subservient to the government this entire time and obeying authority like there's a whole thing there and we certainly didn't see judel masters of that so no no he only he just got along without a bio yeah that was it and was like yo you're not white I'm not white maybe we should support each other but again I'm like I I could point that out, but I'm not, like, bothered

that they're there. Right. It's just No, it's fun to have them. I'll take them. Like, I'm happy to see them there, but it is one of those things that is... An example. If that was the only thing that got skipped over, I would be like, well, that's abrupt, but I can figure out how it happens. But it's just, it's telltale of a thing

that dogs this season as a whole. Or like, at the end, I'm thinking about Economist's journey. Eagley puts his hand on Economist's shoulder. That's what all the eagley stuff was for. Sell that hug at the end. And I know the Economist has had issues with Eagley,

but, like, that was his arc. That's Economist's arc, is that him and Eagley are, like, a little okay. Yeah. I feel like we really more nailed it with, like, he was like, I can't be a coward anymore. And, like, I just can't. Yeah.

That would have been, yeah, yeah. But they actually do that in season one. They do. You're right. He faces his cowardice. in the finale and so yeah dog you're 100% right with what you're saying i don't know what to say about that like that's what i'm saying the more we talk about it the more it's just like i don't know about this season but i just my feeling and my soul was like that's interesting theoretically

well it's the weird part it's still an enjoyable television show like regardless of it all it's very very enjoyable and 99% of the people who watch this are not watching it with the intention to review every single episode they're there to give a couple opinions and then yell at us for being too critical that's the life of what it is actually I haven't read any comments at any of her there are certain videos where I don't read

I'm like I'm not going to read comments on this video certain videos I just don't oh good then let me tell you they love me here I will back Roxy on this she has expressed this to John and I haven't read the comments on our video so I don't know, but to those who complain about her being here, I feel like you have brought a lot to here. And if there is a season three, I would absolutely want you for season three.

Thanks, Pat. I really feel like you've got a lot of value and you've elevated this, John. I covered this last season. The better season. The better season? John, I covered the last season alone. And I really, like, there was sometimes like scheduling can be like, okay, are we going to make this happen? And we didn't really run to odds like that at all.

but I was, I really was happy every time you could actually be with us on this. Thanks, dude. Yeah, no, the whole audience was too, so that was good. Yeah, I appreciate that. We are your audience. That's why, like, that's why the part of watching with you guys, it is always more fun and like, we love DC and we love TV and seeing these characters. So this has been a really enjoyable experience. It's just, it just wasn't quite where we were hoping it would be, I think.

This is a funky season of TV. Yeah, funky for sure. It's a funky season. And I'm, the one hope I have, this is why I don't like to read comments on certain types of content, is that I don't feel like anything we said was about, hey, we wanted more cameos. Hey, we wanted more DC time. Where's the action scenes? Like, it didn't ever, none of that came up in our talk. It was more about what we got and how we feel like that was a little bit underserved.

That's what we were trying to say. Flash out the ideas that you introduced. Yeah, that it wasn't an issue of expectation of other shit we wanted. Yeah, I'm not about to gripe that we didn't go through a hundred more portals to a hundred more worlds, even though it seemed like something we might have done. Yeah, it would have been cool. It would have been cool. But in the story, I get why they stopped when they found what they needed.

It was our one opportunity to see Nazi supermen. I was, and they squandered it. Chris is still out there. I mean, Keith is still out there. So, like, I don't know. I don't know. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of threads that if they, if the CEO person who runs T.C. doesn't acknowledge, like, what are you doing, man? There's like so many threads here. Nah, man. It's okay. There's going to be a sequel 20 years down the line where Keith finally traverses the multiverse finds Chris in the salvation dimension. And, yeah, and they fight it out one on one.

You're making a joke. But again, in in Coy's interview with David Denman, David says that he's hitting the gym a lot still. And Coy is kind of. kind of like why and essentially David says that for the next three years he's on a contract here so it's like and then he's like I don't know if that means he'll call me up and but I've been hitting the gym because like I've got to get in better shape for it if they do

and it's like what does that mean for for where the only explanation would be his Baker season three he he did and I think James Gunn did say in somewhere else that I don't know if it was that interview or if James God said somewhere else that Keith was supposed to die originally

and they must and the way that last episode plays out it plays out as if that was the original script you know because hardcore doesn't tell him that he didn't die no

yeah that's a good catch yeah I don't know well there's got to be something out there good music and good music we got freaking diagetic we got two concerts in the

the episode. We got freaking Nelson and we got Foxy Shazam. Hell yeah, the dance only got better each time around. And hey, you know, for all this nitpicking, there was some lovely emotional moments and I'm glad we got to spend some more time with the

11th Street kids. Do you guys have any stray thoughts before we give it up to the people? I'm definitely not reading comments on this one. How many comments will you be reading? Every single one of them. I love to hear where you guys have to say be kind make peace catch us in the box below and we will see you for whatever comes

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