The Reel Rejects - REBEL MOON PART 2 THE SCARGIVER MOVIE REVIEW!!

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Starting point is 00:01:25 Well, well, well, if you guys are to listen to us on Apple and Spotify, We just watch Rebel Moon part a dose. The scargiver. The scargiver. And if you did not see the reaction, you witnessed a journey. There's a real journey there. And I mentioned this on the Patreon intro for the watchalong that essentially didn't really want to watch this movie. To put it as bluntly as possible for filming.

Starting point is 00:02:00 with john i was like let's just see if we can have fun with this and we and we said like if if it ends up being something that that happens you know open us up or win us over we'll gladly be open to it but and right now i have like exceedingly low expectations was not really a big fan of the first one and i thought this would just be uh i was like man so i thought this would be a slok yeah i really did yeah and um my essential feeling is that I think that this movie and I feel like I feel like we're

Starting point is 00:02:35 pretty much on the same page is that the movie is markedly better than the first one by a lot what I saw was that it has I don't know if it has as many reviews so that might factor

Starting point is 00:02:51 in to rotten tomatoes but I saw that it's his lowest one so I was like you got to be kidding me This one's worst in part. Well, like, yeah, be kidding me. That's what I was like, an attitude. Sure.

Starting point is 00:03:05 And I thought this was so much better. The characters, I actually felt like I knew them. I knew them. I found myself caring more as the plot kept going. I thought it was exceptionally focused more, I would say. I felt more of the aura and I felt the tension in the last hour. I really grew a lot, I grew to like Sophia Badella's character a lot.

Starting point is 00:03:42 And the interview was like, damn, I want to see part three. And I did not expect that to have that feeling. That is the biggest surprise. Absolutely. Because, yeah, I didn't, like, sure, are there moments? And if you watch the reaction, There are totally moments where we were, like, taking the piss out of the film. Sure.

Starting point is 00:04:02 There was, but, like, I couldn't even have fun like that in the first one, you know? It was, the first movie took effort, and I thought that was going to be this where it's like, like, I'm usually game for the fun of watching any new movie experience, be it good or bad, but I was expecting this to be one where I'm like, okay, I got to really, like, make sure I focus the energy. And it wasn't, and it, yeah, it drew me in, and I was able to just kind of, vibe with it and it's just so much more well-rounded and it feels like a real movie. Yeah. And so like it doesn't reinvent the wheel and it is you know obviously as well-trodden from the first movie experience, you know, it's borrowing from so many things. But I think there is something to be said

Starting point is 00:04:44 for the fact that if you have a movie that you allow to breathe and you know, you have some skill in terms of, you know, your tone and your scope and everything, you know, you can, it's not about reinventing the wheel. Sometimes it's just about rolling it with Grace and the first movie I didn't think rolled it gracefully almost at all but this movie you know I wasn't thinking about all the stuff that was either derivative or you know underdeveloped or whatever like this came out to something at least it felt of a piece and of itself and like it wasn't going to rely on some kind of other auxiliary cut or other media or something like that like weird I wonder you need all that context I suppose but part of me

Starting point is 00:05:26 wonders how this would play if you just watched it on its own I think you need some of the context as it was much easier to get on board right away. And like the last movie didn't leave me with any interest in the characters. I had no interest in the characters. The world itself, I remember being like, yeah, it's pretty, it felt like a very, I felt like empty by the end of that first movie. I didn't do anything for me that left me with any strong feelings whatsoever. It felt like a bunch of disjointed stuff.

Starting point is 00:05:54 Yeah. And it's like, if you look at Rebel Moon part one and two, it is essentially, just telling that like seven samurai story right you recruit go to help save a small village against some big overlords and part one is the recruiting movie and then part two is the actual game plan with getting involved with the village and weirdly the one that does not cut around to multiple planets and locations outside of flashbacks and but utilizing the flashbacks to develop your characters and give them some actual backstory where you could be actually interested in them. I was like, oh, this is actually a lot more intriguing. And of course, we made jokes

Starting point is 00:06:33 throughout a lot of it would ever, the one thing that I thought that really could have been improved to really just take this to a stronger level was the dialogue. I think the dialogue, we predicted so many lines. And because the dialogue was very generic. But that doesn't mean the movie didn't have personality you know well and sometimes you want like sometimes there's a satisfaction to knowing to anticipating what the line will be is you don't want an excess of that you know yeah yeah and uh the first chunk of this film was uh you know there was like funny stuff i thought it was really funny with the string quartet who was it was violent and along to the exact way the scene was done i'm like wow this is very this is my slaughter this is kind of silly yeah uh the farming scene

Starting point is 00:07:25 and staking just basic farming and then try to make it look super badass was funny one was enough two made it funny yeah like stuff that and it's funny because it's supposed to be really cool yeah and so maybe we're not supposed to be laughing but i would rather take laughing over boredom or being annoyed yeah yeah disoriented in a bad way this is tedious or something yeah yeah i would rather take that but then it was also consistently mixed in with shit that was actually that I personally thought was good. I thought it got better as it went. By the time daddy show, I think like less time with the bad guys was a smarter call. By the time baddie show up at the planet, I felt the tension of how this is all going to go down. We believed the, because we were, what we were commentating on was when they started showing up. I was like, this is good because I'm here watching this going, I don't know how these guys will beat them. This seems like literally impossible, you know.

Starting point is 00:08:30 Yeah. And then they sold it. They sold the hell out of it. They sold the struggle. They sold the fight. Even Corr getting to the ship that was all, I thought that worked. The fight going down when the ship is crashing, I love the way that sequence looks and the idea of it where they have to sword fight while you're sliding down as I thought

Starting point is 00:08:54 was creed. Well, the orientation of the ship keeps changing, yeah. It surprised me. The movie surprised me and how I was actually keyword. I was entertained in spite of flaws, kind of throughout a lot of it, I was consistently entertained. Yeah, like, sure, Cora and Guy Gunner falling in love. All right, I guess it's required to happen. quite sure let it happen i don't give a shit like it happened i thought it worked better for that to happen

Starting point is 00:09:29 and his death scene as much as i made a couple of jokes there i was like this is actually a good death scene yeah yeah there are a lot of good concepts and the acting goes a long way i think they they have a truly you know capable ensemble who can take the things that feel thinner or like they're pulled out of like a comic book page and they can really sell the emotionality behind that and and in his Zach Snyder universe, you also have to be able to sell like the badass gravitas. But yeah, like that, that line where she's, she's crying over him and she says that, like, why can't I have this one thing? Like, that actually...

Starting point is 00:10:05 It's a good line, actually. It actually got to my heart, and that's about the last thing I expected from a movie. I got hip-chills with this movie. Yeah. It actually rose to some occasions. It did. Ed's screen... Okay, I made a comment during the reaction that I was...

Starting point is 00:10:21 I was just save it for the review of this other comment. was, uh, I didn't feel like Ed's screen needed to come back. Uh, we both did. We don't really feel like, because I thought like, oh, he's coming back and he's like supercharged human or some shit. I'm like, not really. It was like a couple of scenes where he showed some display of extra strength, but I thought they were going to turn him into the guy from Alita Battle Angel or something. Yeah, or I thought he might have been like, like, okay, a way of water, uh, Stephen Lang. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:51 I thought Stephen Lang was more effective in. of water than he wasn't the first one. Yes. And, and I thought, I thought, okay, maybe they could have,

Starting point is 00:11:00 they have an opportunity to maybe do something like that. Maybe not make him as like, oh, it's a so more compassionate side, but maybe death has affected this guy somehow and changed him in some fundamental way. But it really didn't.

Starting point is 00:11:13 And then the other part of me was going, okay, but if I don't look at this as a sequel and as the second half of a longer movie, does it work better? Maybe. In the theory being that, yeah, if you look at this as one whole experience, it might seem odd to swap in just a new guy, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:38 who have no association with. I thought they were going to make it so like, oh, Belisarius is coming for us himself, which clearly they're going to leave as a, you know, as fodder to get a sequel, another sequel going. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like it is appropriate to have, you know, some kind of continued conflict with him and I like again his presence you know and I think they

Starting point is 00:12:01 sold just the fury of the confrontation but I mean I still feel like with all we've seen with him and they've got him like charged up on on these tables and we saw him in the other movie like with tentacle creatures and shit like I don't know I yeah I still think they could have like leveled him up but at the same time I wonder if that might have taken something away or or stolen focus from just the on-slot of the actual skirmish happening on the ground. I don't know. There's something that could be improved or better about that. I'm kind of on the fence with it because it's like I liked watching him, obviously.

Starting point is 00:12:36 But I was sort of continually flip-flopping in terms of, yeah, his presence and what he's adding to the overall story. Shout out to Ask the Pro for sponsoring us. So some fun facts about me. I've been seeing an E&T the past couple of months. Got a CT scan down for my allergies. And right now I'm trying to find time to get deviated. septum surgery. So like many of you, I am someone who's tried pretty much every nasal spray you can think of

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Starting point is 00:14:00 That's A-S-T-E-P-R-O-Alogy.com. Remember, use as directed for relief of nasal congestion, runny nose, sneezing, and itchy nose due to allergies. Thank you again, Astopro, sincerely. Like, in terms of a story and a world, other than, like, aesthetically blending shit, the movie, the world itself is nothing that unique. one of the flaws i think of the rebel moon universe as currently you know like i like i like kind of the you know like it's like a buffet of sci-fi fantasy it's just like an oblivion or one of those kinds of movies yeah where it's like a sci-fi salad and the only thing i ask is can you be

Starting point is 00:14:40 entertaining and and that was the main thing was i was entertained and maybe it allowed for more entertaining experiences was able to watch it with you and we were able to like make jokes about certain moments that maybe I might have been checking out for if I was by myself. Yeah, totally. So that helps. But, and I think one thing we have to own is that so much of, I think, the uplift in our spirit is due to the fact that I'm just to be miserable. And yeah, and just really feeling like this is so much better than the first one. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:14 So I don't, I'm like, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, you're catching this in the honest. immediate moment of a reaction. So I'm not going to try to like fantasize about what it would be like if I'm just on its own as a film versus you know not having a dour experience being left with

Starting point is 00:15:33 in the last one, right? So as it stands as a part two, yeah, I thought way better. Jamon Hansu, I thought, brought a lot. And that's when I noticed the script was because I was like, these lines are not great. But he is making me.

Starting point is 00:15:49 He really enjoys this scene. Yes, yes. So I think Jemann Hansu was a much needed elevated presence for this. Like, I felt like he was just in the background. I like how when you actually get backstory, they would show flashbacks. That was great. And it felt appropriate to give him the biggest boost because, like, the ensemble as a whole, the team they've assembled does feel more distinct and ingrained in this movie.

Starting point is 00:16:16 But he is clearly the sort of standout who is really. is to the front of that pack. And as much as there are times where you're like, I don't even know all their names quite. I don't know any of their names still. Still don't know.

Starting point is 00:16:27 I know Cora and Gooner because I was like, oh, it's Gooner? Yeah. Just because, yeah, because we don't want to, you know, make it too on the nose with him

Starting point is 00:16:37 not being able to use guns and being called Gunner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do think that is a missing beat with this film. Sure. That the village,

Starting point is 00:16:47 just like when they were training, like, to be the tropes movie like have your village have a little bit of a struggle with learning how to get this shit down it just seemed like all the only missing piece was for them to be handed weapons yeah and that's all they needed to become an army yeah because that was the one thing i mean it made it easier to buy into okay yeah i guess they could put up a fight but you do want that that element of worry of like oh my god are they going to be able to they don't look in good shape you know on the eve of battle what are we going to do i mean uh and sophia betella

Starting point is 00:17:19 Again, I remember one of my criticisms was, I don't feel like she's a star. And this movie made me go, she's a star. She's a star of this movie. And I thought she was really good. It's amazing what happens when you have a better rounded movie around you. Yeah. Because I feel like this movie helped all of its elements just by virtue of the fact of being just a more breathable, more gracefully paced event than the first one especially. I feel like that makes everything work.

Starting point is 00:17:49 And that makes it so that you're not focusing as hard on the stuff that is wrote or that is familiar. Zach Snyder often will say something. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I was like, did he make the movie he wanted to make? He was making the PG-13. I still feel like this is a response. I feel like the way this movie is pasted and edited.

Starting point is 00:18:10 I'm very curious to know if when going through the editing bay on this film, because he obviously has like a shit ton of footage. if some of that was retooled in response to the way the first movie was received. I was wondering that. Because I don't think he did any more photography on the film. I can't imagine he did because of the gap here. So I don't think that was the case. But I do imagine that him behind the scenes maybe actually did some retooling. Because this is shorter than the last one, right?

Starting point is 00:18:43 It's shorter. It's tighter. And it breathes more. It has more breathing. Yeah. Like, you have actual moments, like that bit where the villagers are giving them the gifts. It was like a beautiful little character culture moment that is, I think, one of the overlooked aspects of what makes a sci-fi movie like this, and especially a derivative sci-fi movie like this, work is when you build the cultures rather than just building cool machines. I agree.

Starting point is 00:19:10 And Gooner, it was fine. It was like, I like more for what he did for Sophia Bettella. uh the long hair hippogrith guy i was more interested in his world that he was part of yeah i was like let's go see that him as a character he just kind of feels like discount jason moa to me and i'm i'm not i'm like it's not a slight against him as a performer but as a character still didn't really i liked him more here than i did in the last one uh but the ensemble is still slight yes yeah the girl with Furiosa makeup. Again, like,

Starting point is 00:19:48 a good performer, I liked watching. I didn't really get invested in her character. I was invested whenever she would show up. And then when she was away, I would be like, I would forget. Yes.

Starting point is 00:20:02 And we were talking about at screen. A lady who looks like princess on planet and guy who defected from bad guys, Asian guy, whatever. I was still whatever to me like no real impact that was not elevated

Starting point is 00:20:19 Asian girl with swords I really like her a lot I think she is a great body language performer and the whole thing with bonding with a kid I love how they chose to keep that very unspoken I think she's strong as how

Starting point is 00:20:37 I do think that her fight was a little lackluster in terms of sword play and choreography I'm like a looks cool when you're like slowing shit down and whatever did find that choreography a little lackluster yeah i to to give child of fire a little bit of a prop i think the spider fight with her was probably more striking than this one was yeah i think like they in terms of both the choreography and even just the lensing of the whole thing might have been restraint on choreography because i mean i'm not expecting a full-blown like martial arts you know it has to still be

Starting point is 00:21:09 grounded because this is a war battle fight, but I still think that could have done something cool. Knowing Zach Snyder and knowing the, hearing him talk, I know how much he is motivated by what is cool. I think he could have put a little more cool there. Yes. And I wouldn't have batted an eye at that. Zach Snyder makes Zach Snyder movies. And that's one thing I was very much kind of aware of now as opposed to stuff before.

Starting point is 00:21:38 is like he has very much just like he's like one of those bands with his own sound and he's just only going to do that if he knows how to capture enough of a character who through the through body language because he's obviously obsessed with visual imagery and trying to communicate via that way he can really nail it and that really comes in the form of anthony hopkins as jimmy there is something about that goddamn robot you know like i don't know what it is exactly but you do get these like multitude of emotions when you respond to him and that's like a real character like a real guy I think big credit to the movie is when we like because I forget when it was I joked when he's in the cave the back cave and and I said he was like he's probably going to throw up in like the third act show up in the third act or something like that you're like yeah probably at the real all his loss moment and he did he did but we were so into it I was too caught up thinking like oh are these two about to die Well, I think that's indicative of the strength of this movie,

Starting point is 00:22:41 especially versus the first. He knows how to do like explosion reveals through the smoke really well. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And he does that a lot in this movie. There's so many great elemental transitions. Yeah. But that's one of those things too, where in a movie that breathes and has an actual pace to it, you can just be caught up in the moment and forget.

Starting point is 00:23:00 Like, it does make me fascinated to go back to your earlier question. Like, you watch part one. and it kind of gave me like the theatrical BVS experience in a sense where I watched and I went I can't imagine with the amount of skills Zach Snyder possesses that he released this cut thinking yeah this is like how this movie should be and this is like a good cut of a real film

Starting point is 00:23:23 just because it after that first half hour it just becomes this weird montage thing and it's so jagged and it's so disjointed and here you know it's like you couldn't sell a moment like that I don't think in the previous movie unless you relied on the disjointedness, which isn't good to do. There isn't like an actual choice.

Starting point is 00:23:42 Whereas here, yeah, it's again, it's not reinventing the wheel, but a moment like that, I think, is just indicative of how much stronger this is just as a watchable movie experience and an experience that you actually can attach something to and get invested in somehow, even if it's just in the immediate moment.

Starting point is 00:24:00 And like a moment like that is super gratifying. Yeah. And I don't feel like the first movie had a moment, had a moment like that kind of at all like it had some of the atmospherics it had some of the momentary imagery um but like i was happy that this movie actually like got me invested and got me like you know whooping a little bit and got me you know at least like enjoying being here yeah and and yeah like you know again you know Zach Snyder at this point i don't feel like he really has need to be you know i hope he finds means of challenging himself as a filmmaker moving forward but at the

Starting point is 00:24:34 same time he seems like he's got his niche and he likes to do that and this got me interested in seeing what a director's cut might look like whereas the first movie made me never want to watch a rebel movie ever again so uh i'm i'm really curious to see what this looks like when those directors cuts come out and how different they might be uh because again like i i don't i i would love to know if they recut this or they if they altered it in any way leading up to the release of the second movie just because, again, this risk, this gamble of cutting these in half and making these PG-13 and there's art. Like, it just seems like so much, so much mess is created by that process when you could just be making a good movie. Sure, sure. You know, and I don't know. I just

Starting point is 00:25:21 hope for the, what if this does proceed as a franchise, I hope they maybe drop that part and just commit to making one good movie. Yeah. Because it is a little exact. You know, this weird dance with Zach Snyder stuff where you got to watch every movie like five different times and there's like no definitive cut until there's finally like 10 cuts down the line. You know, it's wild. But at the same time, this at least didn't leave me with the feeling of like, man, we're putting all our resources into this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, overall, market improvement. We do got to get out of here. I do think, you know, all the same carryover stuff from the technical side, visual. I think visuals are really good here. And the music by Tom Holkenborg, amazing as always. Great design work. I'm surprised. I was surprised by how much more enjoyable of a film this was.

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The Reel Rejects - REBEL MOON PART 2 THE SCARGIVER MOVIE REVIEW!!

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