The Reel Rejects - RED DRAGON (2002) IS AN UNDERRATED HANNIBAL FILM!! MOVIE REACTION!! First Time Watching!

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Starting point is 00:00:46 I think it's called Hannibal Rising. If you do want us to do that, let us know as well. With Anthony Hopkins? I don't believe so. Okay. Okay, I'll just ask you this. How'd you feel about the movie? I loved it so much.

Starting point is 00:00:59 I, hard to go into Silence of the Lambs territory just because that film is just Like so close to perfect, but this is pretty close in my opinion. I really did like Hannibal but I really like that this got back and I talked about in the review portion of Hannibal that it kind of got a little bit of it kind of did its own thing, which I appreciate like ambitious takes This kind of got back to that psychological thriller nature of the first film Hannibal also felt a lot more like himself and again, I understand why he didn't in the second film You know, he was kind of adapting to the situation trying to be incognito and I still loved all that But I loved that I loved the idea too If we're not gonna go with the Clarice storyline, which I love that. I love the idea too. If we're not going to go with the Clarice

Starting point is 00:01:46 storyline which I love that tumultuous relationship it's so fascinating. This is such an interesting way to take the story and take the characters to go to a prequel. Agreed and agreed. So you but you liked the first one the best the third one the second best and the second one. Yeah, and I loved all three of them But I would say that's probably the order and I gotta say too And I know we said it quite a few times because when something is so good, it's just hard not to mention So a few times phenomenal performances from everyone from Anthony Hopkins, even though I know he wasn't in the film a ton Edward Norton fantastic that woman who played the the blind

Starting point is 00:02:24 Character she was terrific to rebuke I think her name was Ray fines holy crap I'm curious what you wrote on your sheet of paper I could the pen wasn't really working I think I wrote like that it got back to the psychological thriller yeah of the of the first film yeah be you know in terms of like watching Anthony Hopkins really break down character size them up like that type of dialogue like that really I just love watching Anthony Hopkins or Hannibal Lector rather I love watching him do that it's so fascinating and scary at the same time and you can't take your eyes off the screen when he's doing that at the same time the contrast between him and Ray Fiennes character this this person who I Don't know if you would put him on the same pedestal in terms of like elegance and taste and even maybe IQ But there's still a fascinating side to him like seeing that that's schizophrenia

Starting point is 00:03:19 And then seeing like how this person you feel bad for him. He was really traumatized while also feeling disgusted by the actions. And I think there's an interesting parallel and contrast to that character. But again, the performance from Ray finds, I like how you see how reserved he is, first of all, in the first couple of scenes. And then that moment where he really comes out

Starting point is 00:03:41 and shows you how scary and deprived he is. Wow. I know obviously he's iconic as as as Voldemort. And obviously, I will never watch the movie again. Schindler's List, but he was incredible in those. And I'm not taking away how great he was in those performances. This was this was insane to watch. I don't know if he was nominated for this, but he should be. He was outstanding. But what about you? How are you feeling? I am so glad this movie got back to the

Starting point is 00:04:11 roots of the first one where it was really that psychological thriller that I was craving. And I think that this is a great trilogy. I really liked where how we moved. And I think that, especially with these two movies coming back to back years, Hannibal and Red Dragon, it's really cool to see the different places that this world kind of went to. You okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 00:04:36 Yeah, so I really, really enjoyed this. I loved the dynamic of Hannibal and Ed Norton's character. I wish that we got a little bit more Hannibal in this. However, I was so enthralled by Ray Fiennes. I thought that he was truly, truly phenomenal in this. Not overshadowed Hannibal, but he in this was our Hannibal basically. Like how Hannibal was in our first movie this was really more about Ralph Fiennes in this one and I thought that that was really cool and I loved the Ed

Starting point is 00:05:13 Norton how good he was at his job how smart he was the mystery kept us guessing you know I guessed a lot of things wrong which I think is a sign of a cool a good movie when I'm completely thrown off the scent of things and then even Really clever moments like us circling back to the top of where Clarice is having some of our old characters like Barney World building a little bit more And the misdirect at the beginning when we think that that he and Norton's about to die and it's like no he actually shoots him and That makes a lot of sense too, especially because we've seen Hannibal

Starting point is 00:05:46 Scars before. So I just thought for so many reasons, this was, they did an excellent job. I thought this one was really spooky too. It kind of upped the horror aspect of it. And I liked seeing some of the origin stuff with the bugs at the house and how he used to be a little more refined before he was caught. So for all the reasons, I am surprised that this isn't spoken about more highly. It's not that I've heard it been spoken about negatively. It's just that I don't really hear it be spoken about at all. And for as good of a movie as it was, I would be shocked to find out that Ray Fiennes was not nominated for this. I would be shocked. So I want to look because yeah you can look. I was going

Starting point is 00:06:31 to say too. I agree with what you're saying in regards with Edward Norton and Anthony Hopkins. I love their dynamic. I also love that bit of dialogue we get. I think her name was Reba the blind lady. I love that. It was, and that was Emily Watson. Emily Watson sounds so familiar. Anyways, I love the dialogue that we get there. You get that cathartic sense and also the development of his character, because I feel like there's a sense of a redemption story for him.

Starting point is 00:06:57 And what I mean by that is he could not sense that he was working with a sociopathic killer at the end of the day, even though we talk about how much elegance and taste and how charming and charismatic that Sir Anthony Hopkins or rather Hannibal Lecter can be. But like Edward Norton takes pride in how smart he is and how good at his job he is. And he's got this killer that he works with every single day and he didn't even realize it. So like, and you pointed out so smartly mad that when we thought Ray finds had his life had been taken

Starting point is 00:07:32 in that explosion and from the shotgun, there was a sense of like of emptiness for Edward Norton's character. Like I got him, but I didn't get him. And like, you know what I mean? And like he'd like his arc was not completed in that sense like because he wasn't a bait and switch again for us it was great yeah and I know you kind of talked about like we made a lot of predictions and we were wrong and like like I love that we talked about it off camera and I I hate predictability I really do I love being able not to not to guess things right it's and that's a very hard thing to do when it comes to films, because so many things have been done already.

Starting point is 00:08:08 So I think they did such a great job of keeping us off the scent, if you will, as you said. But a couple brief things of trivia that I want to do, and then I want to get to our Patreon questions. Sure. Okay, so no Oscar nominations across the board for this. A couple SATA nominations, but I disagree as well. Sir Anthony Hopkins stated that one of his goals in playing Dr. Hannibal Lecter for a final time nominations across the board for this a couple saddened nominations, but I disagree as well. Sir Anthony Hopkins stated that one of his goals in playing Dr. Hannibal Lecter for a final time was to reestablish that he is an evil serial killer, as Hopkins believed

Starting point is 00:08:34 Hannibal had come to be seen too much as a likable anti-hero by audiences. That's how I felt in this. Like he was like a knight in shining armor in the second film, even though he still ate the guy's brain, but he ate like Ray Liotta and Ray Liotta was a corrupt piece of crap And he also came to Clarice's rest that's smart of him to come back and be like no guys But literally isn't the first thing I said in this review he felt like Hannibal Lecter Yeah, that's the Hopkins showed up on set during one of his days off Just so he could watch Philip Seymour Hoffman work the two actors shared no scenes in this movie

Starting point is 00:09:05 That's really yeah, that's right because we said like the the three and it's Harvey Keitel Philip Seymour Hoffman and we're knowing you're right They did not Ray Fiennes gained 15 pounds of muscle for this role. I believe that after the movie's release sir Anthony Hopkins said he this would be his last portrayal of Hannibal Okay, Sir Anthony Hopkins, Edward Norton, Ray Fiennes, and Philip Seymour Hoffman all turned down the original offers to appear in this movie. Having Ted Talley, the original screenwriter of The Silence of the Lambs return to write the script, was the clincher in them that changed their minds.

Starting point is 00:09:39 Yeah, I'm sure when they had when they spoke to him and then saw the script, they're like, yeah, we got to do this. you love trivia. Let me ask you this How long do you actually think it took for refines back tattoo? Oh me in like the makeup and to do it to apply Go two and a half hours eight eight hours It must have lasted days right like come on. That is insane. That is absolutely insane I mean because like the Gary Oldman one took what like five hours Oh, this is sir Anthony Hopkins lost 20 pounds to play a younger version of Hannibal Lector. Did he look young? I don't know. Wow, that's crazy

Starting point is 00:10:22 Like I said, it's house previously appeared in Ferris Bueller's day off. Oh, that's cool. Like I said. The Leeds house previously appeared in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Oh, that's cool. I knew you'd like that. That one I loved. You love stuff like that. That I do love. Just for you. It was.

Starting point is 00:10:32 I'm quickly trying to see if I can get to some spoiler ones. And then let's get moving. OK, the Death of Freddy Lownes, Philip Seymour Hoffman, was filmed by setting a real stuntman wrapped in protective material on fire as his wheelchair rolled down the street. No puppets or animatronics were involved Damn kudos to that stunt guy that looks so dangerous I figured it was probably like a dummy or something like that's a kudos Okay, speaking of Philip Seymour Hoffman, he insisted on being glued to his chair during his encounter with refinds. No my god He insisted on being glued to his chair during his encounter with refined. No, my God.

Starting point is 00:11:06 Imagine that, dude. I think that's like we talked about, like, how do you get in the mind of that type of character? I think being glued, even as painful as that probably would be. Yeah, that's absolutely crazy. Yeah. And just really quick before we get into that. Yeah. Reject nation. When we started our reject nation shop, I honestly thought that we would only sell to like a handful of people who liked our channel. But thanks to you

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Starting point is 00:12:28 Go to Shopify.com slash rejects to start your $1 per month trial. That's Shopify.com slash rejects. Thank you again, Shopify for sponsoring this video. I know you don't like to play trivia. So this movie got, I don't agree with this score. I think it should have got higher. It got a 69% from the critics on run to me I don't feel like rotten tomatoes is accurate with at that time period, you know, cuz it's not it was not the same as yes

Starting point is 00:12:52 Now that's a hundred and ninety two reviews. Oh, that's that's pretty good. Actually added 250,000 ratings. We got a 74% Okay. Well, let's go over to the patrons patreon.com slash the real rejects. Thank you to Kev B Thank you, Kev Kev B says the film really digs into Dolla Hyde. Dolla Hyde. I don't remember how exactly you say it. Rough childhood and his obsession with that painting. Did you feel like the movie wanted you to understand him or just see him as a villain? Did it change how much sympathy you felt for him or not really? I think the movie definitely, from my perspective, I think the movie definitely wanted me to understand I've definitely had a sense of sympathy for him while also at the same time

Starting point is 00:13:34 feeling disgusted by what he was doing and we had a, I can't remember Kev if it was you or whoever it was that asked in the last one, oh it wasn't you actually I can see right here on the Patreon, in regards to like, are you born that way, or, and I mentioned that I think like a lot of times when it comes to characters who are evil or do evil things, like a lot of times it's a product of the environment you were in

Starting point is 00:13:56 or possibly trauma and that kind of thing. And I think this film really did a good job of executing that because before we saw, like, and we didn't get a ton of it we just got you know the the the scene where he's doing the you know the dumbbell and we can hear the grandma tormenting him and then again Ray see our painting yeah the paintings but Ray finds facial expressions like you could see him just fighting that fighting every all the the trauma that he had endured the physical and the mental trauma and from that perspective like yes I I understand what this anguish this this and torment this

Starting point is 00:14:31 character has gone through throughout his life and from that perspective I absolutely felt horrible for him and that doesn't mean I of course did not want him to do what he was doing but I think the film did a good job of just like, you know Differentiating and that that moral gray ground and I absolutely felt so awful for him at the same time So yeah, Ed Norton says it well, he read through the files and said he feels bad for him. Yeah But listen, I don't think that the film wanted us to understand him Instead of seeing him as a villain. I don't think that the film wanted us to understand him instead of seeing him as a villain.

Starting point is 00:15:06 I don't think that giving motivation adds justification. We know that in life. Just because somebody, something can explain something doesn't mean it justifies it. So I don't think that this movie in any way, shape or form was justifying what he was doing. They were just telling us how he got to where he is and he clearly had mental challenges because of his childhood and his upbringing. And maybe some of it is nature and maybe some of it is nurture, but he was unwell.

Starting point is 00:15:34 He was hearing voices and we heard about what happened with his grandmother and the teeth and the tattoo and he's talking back and the person upstairs wants you and all of these things. So I think that they were explaining it to us without saying and so this is right and you are a fan of his yeah and and grant to like he didn't know how to you know when Reba was showing him the love and compassion it's like he had a tough time how to respond to that but also like he was staying

Starting point is 00:16:01 away from his you know the natureistic ways of how he usually would go about like how he was being with families and stuff like that. So I think that was a fascinating way to execute like what this man was experiencing and the schizophrenic side of his as well. it was just an interesting and sad look into what people have to deal with who deal with trauma and mental anguish and again So shocked by what you said about Ray finds not being nominated. I think yes, that's an oversight for sure Yeah, well, thank you guys so much to you rejects at home We appreciate you going through this with us and we would love to know if you guys want us to do Hannibal next or what you want the Jujaks to cover or Hannibal Rising or whatever it is in this franchise just keep us posted. Andrew always lovely to do this with you my friend and we will see you next

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The Reel Rejects - RED DRAGON (2002) IS AN UNDERRATED HANNIBAL FILM!! MOVIE REACTION!! First Time Watching!

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