The Reel Rejects - REJECT RECAP: House of the Dragon 1x5 "We Light the Way" - REVIEW!!

Episode Date: September 19, 2022

WHAT AN ENDING!! House Of The Dragon Episode 5 Reaction, Recap, Breakdown, & Review for the Royal Wedding in House Targaryen featuring Daemon (Matt Smith), Rhaenrya (Milly Alcock), Laenor Velaryon, Ki...ng Viserys, Criston Cole, Alicent & Otto Hightower, the greens vs the blacks, & MORE! #HouseOfTheDragon #GameOfThrones #HBO #HBOMax #MattSmith Become A Super Sexy Reject For Full-Length T.V. & Movie Reactions + HOUSE OF THE DRAGON Watch Alongs! https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects Support The Channel By Checking Out Our High-Quality Merch: http://shopzeroedition.com/collections/reel-rejects-merch Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:41 It's been quite a season so far, I tell you, and very much enjoying it. I'll say that much. Not going to say too much, obviously, because that's why you're here. You're here to hear the review. You're here to hear us battered around. I don't know, I don't know why I keep going New York in these recent intros, but anyway, but you probably haven't noticed that. Anyhow, if you guys would like to join us for the experience of watching the episode, along with the review, you can check out the reaction highlights. Those are on our YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash the real rejects.
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Starting point is 00:02:34 thoughts I was so impressed that episode because from just a technical standpoint for writing because it at first there was a part of me that was like okay it's been a lot of like public knowledge that after this episode there's going to be the time jump that eventually happened happens where, you know, like, some of our characters are going to be replaced by other actors and such. And I was like, okay, some of this seems like, this is a set-up episode for what's to come. Like, they're setting some stuff up. And I was kind of worried that it was all, that's all it was mainly going to be with like a few, like, little bits, but it managed to be just a very in-depth, provocative episode, again, as you'd want. That was, that felt so
Starting point is 00:03:25 immediate and also did a wonderful job successfully setting up the future it both like simultaneously so well because there's such a great groundwork laid for the future that is off to just a terrible start like it's just the worst start it wrecks the chess board and then sets it back up for you yeah yeah and i think that's really that's really impressive uh that they did that because a lot of times you know you often walk away with shows going yeah it's like a set up episode it's a good setup episode and it's rare you can walk away going it did both incredibly well like i'm actually looking forward to seeing what the what the future is and what that time jump will be which i'm sad to see like the the millie alcott alcock yeah alcock yeah who plays ronara i'm
Starting point is 00:04:14 i'm so disheartened to see her go because again delivering another exquisite performance just a powerful one and such a turning point episode for this character you know like that scene that she has with Kristen on the boat when he is proposing like why don't we just escape let's just like live our romantic lives out and just be in love and forget this hierarchy
Starting point is 00:04:40 this thing you've always sort of dismissed and had issues with that you've always confided in me and you're seeing how she is like obviously tempted to a certain degree, but she has to hide that. Because this episode was so much about dealing with what's going on underneath the surface. Something of the show has done since the beginning.
Starting point is 00:05:02 This whole episode, especially the wedding, that's what it just was. It was like, okay, there's shit building, there's shit percolating, which is going to be the one that tips over. Which is the first thing that's going to really collapse. It's going to light the powder keg. And the main thing that got it going was the thing that made it on board for us. To me, it seems like Renara knew that he was probably gay beforehand, right? Which made her go like, yeah, I'll marry him because I can do whatever I want. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:31 She's got too much knack for strategy not to, yeah, see the opportunity in that. But the ace and the whole, like the thing that she had to work with was the fact that he had a lover. And now that did she? And so she, and now both of those have been just, I mean, I don't know what's going to become. Kristen and after that moment with alice with alison i don't know what alison's plan is it seems like allison's now like she's in a solo position almost almost sercy's almost just someone who's you're like oh yeah she's queen but now there's no king with her yeah and now she has to worry about her children what could be stripped from her in the future yeah what could happen or her well-being
Starting point is 00:06:11 and maybe she needs to harbor this information and somehow you're like okay what's everyone plotting now everyone's an enemy everyone's using each other even more aggressively than they were before all these bonds are even more tenuous now and more yeah just like stress worn yeah I love it it's great and then you got
Starting point is 00:06:31 Damon who's just waiting to cause all kinds of chaos walks in yeah every time he enters the room it's solely to just cause the most effective chaos it's just funny how they like they kill off the wife at the very beginning and that's your first time meeting her right
Starting point is 00:06:46 yeah we've heard about her a bunch of times just solely from his perspective where everyone's like she's fine and he's like i hate that bitch you know and she shows up but she's like compelling for those moments she's on yeah there just died i was too because she was i thought oh it's gonna be interesting to like unpack here but again this show does a really good job like i think that unspoken that unspoken truth theme they had you know circulating throughout that whole wedding is a big part of what the what the writing kind carries over throughout this whole show because it weird like i of course i would like to have seen more with like it would just hit that much harsh not much more harsh if we had got her to know her a little bit yeah prior to that moment but in that instant you get so much of the idea of like
Starting point is 00:07:33 her grasp on and her whole point of view about damon the marriage and it and it kind of seems like she wanted a husband too you know in that little moment she seems like she sort of wanted an actual husband and and feels like like loads this man hates him and also feels hurt to him betrayed by him yeah it's like she actually might have wanted that and i had to get stuck with you the worst version of it who doesn't yeah with whom i cannot enjoy any of the spoils of this position it's just oh it's so cold and it's like what is damon going to be doing now and like what's the this this this war within the term that the crumbling of targaryens is all within it and it's so fun. It is. It's fun in a very mess, yeah, in a very sort of gallows kind of way. And yeah, like I, that
Starting point is 00:08:23 seemed like even though that's not like a main plot character, that felt like one of those surprising sort of stark deaths where, yeah, you just meet this person, you kind of get that, I loved that we spend that little perspective bill. You remarked like, why do I feel so uncomfortable just watching her ride through this valley? And then she comes upon Damon in the most like, ominous but also like oh okay it's just him kind of way but uh yeah i don't know just like it's such a cold scene and it says so much about him in a way like it's a bummer because yeah it's not really about her as much as it is just like showing just the the depth of his i don't know yeah just coldness keeps coming back to mind because you can see a way in which
Starting point is 00:09:09 this alliance could be beneficial in some way shape or form but damon doesn't seem interested in any of that. And when he comes back around with Sir, I can't remember his name, Jaron or whatever, the other, you know, the relative of hers, like, it's so painful to watch that guy step up and to really
Starting point is 00:09:27 feel like he's got an opportunity to stick it to Damon, only for Damon to turn around and be like, oh, hey, by the way, I just inherited your entire place of living, your entire homeland. You know, can you arrange that for me? Yeah. Like, it's, yeah, it's just so, it's, Damon remains
Starting point is 00:09:44 this fascinating character because the more it's a testament to Matt Smith's performance in those moments because every time he's just sitting there observing you're like what is this guy thinking and there are little moments where you're like yeah I can I can still see like a glimmer of a human in there but so much of him is just like a chaotic evil character like a chaotic neutral character or something like that
Starting point is 00:10:11 where it's like I I can never really I said this before and rings true throughout and through this episode like it seems like he almost never comes in with a plan except to watch things twist well I think he he always has
Starting point is 00:10:26 there's always a desire though behind his actions there's always somewhat of a I think the show introduces him like he's a wild card you don't know what this guy's gonna do he's just manic he's the news he's joffrey but more intelligent yeah with more tact
Starting point is 00:10:43 but then you know you quickly learn that no he's actually a lot more clever and conniving because it's like that you don't exactly know why he all they've really showed us is that he doesn't like her and then he kills her in the beginning of this episode there's got to be a reason why but he i don't unless you like unless it's in the book unless you really understand the politics already beforehand where you're like oh shit he killed her so that means he's going to inherit it because they don't have a hair like if you're fine her and it just happen to know the world that way that well but you really don't know why he did that and then when you find out they're like oh it's actually a really big political gain he he can have now but it's like why why the political gain because you can buy both versions you could buy that he'd just be so cold as to be like no i just hate her and i finally had an opportunity to get her out of my way but then yeah you see the bigger picture plan and it is like wow that is smart and also your your choice to now resurface that this event gives you the power that much more in that situation as if it as it wouldn't have done if you would like shown up to her
Starting point is 00:11:48 funeral and i actually do tend to read the top comments on these reactions that we do and i remember that there were people because we were talking about the when when they did fornicate christin and renara and that people because we were like you know it's interesting to see like this whole scene of like debauchery and give it into these sexual pleasures and then You get a more of a tender-loving scene, which I think it was executed that way. But there were a couple of people who were like, I actually didn't find it tender at all. I thought it was just a manipulation of power that were narrated. And, you know, also it broke his oath, his vow.
Starting point is 00:12:28 And I kind of forgot about that angle. I forgot about that. And admittedly, I forgot about, oh, yeah, that's right. They have a whole. Chastityville. Yeah. I forgot all about that. And then to watch the effect come into this episode.
Starting point is 00:12:43 and how much that has just like sleeps with her and it's been a little bit of time he's like obviously madly in love with her he's sacrificed his whole commitment because of giving in to this desire for her and now he can't even have her and he's got to watch her get married off and you're like you're just watching this guy who is so noble and honorable yeah just succumbed by the end just pulled down to the bottom here just annihilates this person at a wedding who why exactly was it him do you think that he murdered yeah like i like threatening or someone had a secret on that i i didn't quite know it's like it it does it's i'm not here going why this makes no sense at the same time like i don't fully know why he he chose him as a target in the in the In the moment, just the first time watching it, because I would like to go back and revisit the scene, the way it's sort of read to me amid all that chaos was sort of, that was the last straw given that was the last interaction we saw him have. And that puts him in this precarious new position of like, oh, yeah, you know, now I'm part of this like apparatus of secrets and lies and things. And when everything breaks out, I felt like it was almost like a proximity thing where like they're both together.
Starting point is 00:14:11 or in close range of each other and then maybe in all the chaos or something like that it got to the point where it seemed like one of them was attacking the other one like i'm not sure because yeah when when uh maybe he wanted to dissolve this whole thing maybe i mean yeah maybe he just doesn't like i i solve the lie yeah i think either way what happened i don't know exactly what got them in you know whether christin was like i got to find you and kill you it seemed more like a random just boiling over of you of you you yeah, of his guilt and of his just not wanting to be a part of this, the regret, the guilt, the pain of the conversation before with Renera, where he, yeah, he lays out this very pure, noble, like, let's run away together and just have a life. And all that stuff mounts. And then, you know, it's like Allison learns about this. And, yeah, it's like his whole spirit seems like it's been demoralized. And then, yeah, that exchange with Lainor's bow there just seems like it, yeah, it just so. solidifies his dissent into this immoral place that I'm sure is eating at his soul. And yeah, that's probably then just the target of like, I am overcome and I'm just letting it out on you because that's exactly not what I want. Well, at the same time, by letting out on him, though, they both now just, they're married. Like, I'm in her. It's just married now. They don't have the things they can have their fun with. Yeah. And it's like, even if it was like, well, you're, you're, you're, you're, free to go out and you know meet people and whatever it's like yeah that that doesn't even
Starting point is 00:15:46 probably appeal anymore because they've both suffered such a yeah like a heart loss well yeah it wasn't because you the show read like clearly um re explains it that it's not just about going out and you know getting all kinky and stuff and having multiple lovers it's about being with the one you really love yeah and now they don't get to be with the one they really love I thought that was a good use of that metaphor, because at first you're like, I think they're trying to say he's gay, but I also think it's just like, yeah, I know you love somebody for real and so do I. So, yeah, I thought that was a good, a well-articulated theme. Yes, yeah, very well-done stuff. And then they just skip all the celebrations and all the festivities and they just go right to the wedding and you just feel that much more hollow for everyone involved.
Starting point is 00:16:40 they're just like barely looking at each other and they're like talking all soft and yeah you can just tell like what a horrible night and then viscera's keels over but i i love the show for what it explores with this political game and and the the the how these how when your emotions just they they simmer they simmer when you're you push it down for something that is like duty yet you see what the consequences of that can be and then you're, you watch something like Renara give in to sleeping with Kristen and then how that's
Starting point is 00:17:18 destroyed something. You're watching like Renara who's been like such an amazing character and you never associate at all as like a bad person. And then at the climax of this wedding you watch like just the depravity of all these things that happen. Such
Starting point is 00:17:34 consequence. Because of things that she participated in or part took and you know, she's like that whole by with Allison at the end, which is like Allison just finding out the truth. Everything with Kristen. Damon, even like, Damon's all over the place here.
Starting point is 00:17:48 He's like freaking trying to sleep with the one girl. Or like tempting her. And then he's like, I want her, man. He's like, bring her just want this. God damn. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:57 And so you have that, that situation at hand. And then, of course, now he, she chose him. Um, wasn't him again? Uh, the, the Valerian.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Yeah. Uh, lane or she chose she chose lane or yeah specifically she was given a choice chose him yeah and through that choice now led to lane or losing the one he loves it's just like this major collapse all surrounding things that not not solely her obviously there's a whole bunch of other players involved here but it is cool to see how it's from she's the central point of it all uh-huh you know uh it's it's just just gnarly shit well yeah and it's like the the such a web of consequences comes out of
Starting point is 00:18:41 what in that episode feels like such an intimate, isolated, you know, heat of a moment. And two, I love the way this episode reveled in, especially once you get to the ceremony, in this quality, and it's throughout both Game of Thrones and this,
Starting point is 00:18:57 this sort of propping up of customs and of appearances, despite the fact that everyone in the room practically is side-eyeing each other and knows at least a version of what's really going on here and knows that this is kind of a sham and yet we're all kind of here to make face and to enjoy celebrating and being debauched but like when the chaos breaks out you can feel that tension that lives underneath and it makes for a good sort of just audiovisual metaphor
Starting point is 00:19:26 for the struggle between order and statecraft and just the base human instincts yeah and that's something like this that is based on base human instincts that is about attraction and and you know arousal has led to all of not every part of this but so much of the conflict that boils over here there's also this other quality that this episode really like what i think game of thrones is generally explored and the show especially and of you know like something as simple as listening to your heart's desires and just be it appreciative of what you have versus this chase for legacy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:10 And then you watch as the king who did, you know, pretty much take the more pacifist route, has made some questionable choices that could have dire consequences for the future of Targary, for the House Targaryen, which will, obviously. It's already begun. It's already begun. And yet on his last days, he's like lamenting and like just so sorrowful. He's just weak. doesn't have he's not even with his queen for like most of his the most of the time yeah not even
Starting point is 00:20:46 with her her absence is large exactly yeah it looms very large and green dress and he's there wondering like what well people even remember me like I'm nothing you know yeah and did I do the right thing by trying to keep peace and then it's interesting how all he wanted to do was try to keep peace and by the by trying to keep peace he is now set up for the future generation to pretty much help it crumble
Starting point is 00:21:14 yeah which is which yeah it always reminds me of the time machine that I'll think about like the more you try to avoid an outcome you'll you'll just kind of bring it about and yeah like I thought that was such a wonderfully like again hats off to
Starting point is 00:21:28 to Patty Considine because like it's such an intimate moment and I thought part of me was like maybe he's just going to die right now but yeah like and And that is interesting to see contrasted between the two of them because they're both in some ways kind of pondering that and the sort of like what this duty of, you know, being the king or the queen does to you. And it's like he's sitting here going, you know, I had a pretty good life. But yeah, did I, did I not, you know, risk enough, you know, for greatness? And then you have Renera who's in this position of like, yeah, given an offer to throw all that away. And you can see still. despite how much she kind of thrusts all this stuff off, that she does have, like, a taste for this life and not wanting to so easily leave it behind.
Starting point is 00:22:19 And I felt like her rebuke of Kristen there was more confident than just like, no, no, I got duties and stuff. It's like, no, I intend to rule, you know? And then you watch that contrast in Viceris, who seems like he truly would have been better off not being in this position, and just living life and giving of, you know,
Starting point is 00:22:39 the natural gifts that are so apparent in him as a character and yet don't really serve his role as king very well and lead his counsel to constantly be trying to manipulate him and stuff. And two, just poor old Otto Hightower. Got him for a half a second here. I mean. Saying goodbye. I wonder if he's interesting.
Starting point is 00:23:01 It kind of like flips the perspective in a moment. Yeah. or you're like man you were pretty manipulative you definitely wanted your own personal power game I mean and you did use your daughter
Starting point is 00:23:12 but you're also making some really solid points right yeah I'll pull back and forth it was like yeah I mean fair point I'm so caught up
Starting point is 00:23:22 all the messed up things you were doing that I wasn't really thinking about like oh yeah you know probably would be well my might
Starting point is 00:23:30 might proceed much more smoothly if he got on I mean, they both have points there, although I did have to be like, as much as it's like, well, you know, if you hadn't given Renira that shadow of a doubt queen, but I'm at the same time, I'm like, you put her at this position and you gave her this thankless job of having to be a baby machine, you know, to push your ultimate agenda, get Aegon on the throne. It's harsh stuff, but now we've got a lot of different characters coming up here, and there's a hell of world uh yeah it's it's so engrossing it's it's funny that opening shot was like this is the i like the last episode of lord of the rings quite a bit um the rings of power episode four i liked quite a bit but the opening shot just made me just go i was waiting i was reserving it
Starting point is 00:24:27 was that this is like the definition of anti lord of the rings it is because That opening shot is the most, like, Peter's opening sequence of her writing. Yeah. The amount of different, like, sweeping shots they kept using is the most, like, Lord of the Ringsy. It's like, look at her writing. And there's gravitas and importance. But it doesn't feel like sweeping and wondrous and glorious.
Starting point is 00:24:54 It feels like cold and tension and, oh, my God, something terrible is about to happen, and it's quiet. Yeah. And then instead of something pertinent. dramatically to punctuate it. It's just a really stark, unpleasant death for that character who just got that cinematic treatment.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Yeah. Yeah. So it's it did feel, like, I don't think this show in any way is trying to like make that statement at all. It's just something that went off in my own subconscious. No, there's a lot of interesting contrast, I think, to
Starting point is 00:25:28 make between these shows, honestly, because there are so many similarities in terms of how they're produced, and in terms of what the material is, to some extent. But, yeah, one is very much more sort of characters where they're intense on the surface and are very focused on those, whereas the other one is like, people have their surface intense, but it's all about what's underneath all that and what is unsaid or said in whispers, and it's all a mess.
Starting point is 00:25:56 It's all kind of hard to understand and hard to pinpoint who is really, is there a moral good? Well, I mean, you watch as their souls become corrupted because they keep sacrificing things because of we got to keep things in order because of monarchy. I know, we're going to keep the peace. We're going to keep the peace, but also have wars in the right places. Yeah, you just watch as everyone's souls that's, like, deteriorate.
Starting point is 00:26:23 There's a harsh world, really. Because, like, everybody now, like, and that's the thing that this season, I think, has been especially, like, Game of Thrones across the board. but this season has taken more. I think this so far has had more characters that you could just outwardly
Starting point is 00:26:39 directly sympathize with from the get-go and I feel like part of Game of Thrones was telling you like those people will not make it very far in this world
Starting point is 00:26:47 and this one is showing you those people but then subject to the transformations to those like Sir Kristen is such a good guy after today I wonder what that character
Starting point is 00:26:58 will be. I mean I think this show really does I see a lot of people who are already, like, quick to say, like, to show so much better than, like, see a lot of people who say that, like, it's better than Game of Thrones. And of course, there's undoubtedly, like, so many similarities, undoubtedly, but at the same time, it's such a different show. Yeah. It's, it's very, very different.
Starting point is 00:27:22 Like, you kind of check in with just the same few people every episode in this show, and it's, and the way they handle time and the way they're handling this buildup, and what the main objective is because it's like it gets you focused on yeah it's all about ultimately ending on the consequences of who's going to be you know sitting on the iron throne sure that's but it it's not as big of a chessboard and nor is it and game of thrones kind of kicks off a little faster into a little bit more that exciting i think i think there's very different i think i think the way they they make you feel is very different is very different yeah and um and so i i think these are i don't know there's a lot about what i've experienced with these
Starting point is 00:28:09 five episodes so far that i i do find a little bit prefer i do prefer but i generally don't sit here and come i don't ever really take the time to compare and go which one do i like more a it just hasn't been enough time and and b they're they're very different yeah and like i could just enjoy both you know i've done that with like better of call solom breaking you bad like i haven't I haven't bothered to ask myself, like, which one? And let me just try to really figure this out. I'm like, no, yeah, there's similarities, but they're different. And I think they just kind of work together, you know?
Starting point is 00:28:41 Well, that's, I think, to me, that's ideal. That's how it should be. But the production on this sounds like chaos for, like, the showrunner, like, I'm no, I'm not coming back. I don't know. Or one of them leaving early. Miguel Sipachnik, I wonder if they knew that. I guess I've fallen, I'm curious, because, yeah, like,
Starting point is 00:29:00 You don't want to hear three or four episodes in. Like, you're losing one of your showrunners. But part of me wonders if knowing the response to, you know they know the response to the end of Game of Thrones. And so I bet they were like, we need as many of those hands on deck to get this ship sailing. And then after a first season, we can mix it up a little bit. Because I think they have Alan Taylor coming in instead,
Starting point is 00:29:20 who's also done a ton of Game of Thrones and has done good work on Game of Thrones. And so in that way, it almost seemed like that could be just the plan all along. He's like, I'll come back for a season. but it could be chaos I'm not I'm not sure honestly it seemed like a lot of people were surprised on the cast so maybe not
Starting point is 00:29:36 but I don't know here's hoping it doesn't dip in I mean it looks like this would be this looks like it could be a toll to put together even if it's not chaos I can imagine that
Starting point is 00:29:47 if you're trying to pull out these things together just smash you out that was the thing about Bennyoff and why it says as much as I'm like you guys did not handle this the right way I was also like
Starting point is 00:29:58 but spending like 10 plus years doing this seems like it would take a lot it would age you way more than that yeah it does seem like an incredible undertaking to to you know guide a ship like this i mean i wasn't even that i wasn't even that i wasn't even interested in the show i wasn't either when it was announced you know i was like who's who cared when it was announced and then there were a couple of trailers came out i'm like i'm not i don't even want to react to it like no that one seems excited yeah i saw that people were getting excited they were loving the trailers and and i didn't i wasn't i just wasn't interested um and and i'm like wow this is the best thing on tv right now i feel like it was the last
Starting point is 00:30:40 thing on anybody's minds that it could be such that they would just return us to what feels kind of like the heyday of good game of thrones yeah it's so much more than that yeah but but yeah that's what's been so rewarding is it's like oh dang already the storytelling is the richness i remember it and it has the sort of core sensibilities that made those particularly beloved seasons so good but yeah it is doing
Starting point is 00:31:06 a thing of its own that matches this world but feels unique and distinct and yeah I feel like you could come out of this preferring one to the other but also you know I feel like I'm kind of in a similar camp as you I'm like I don't really feel the need because yeah I would put them on for slightly different
Starting point is 00:31:23 reasons you know if I'm in the mood for this world Well, I think also, even though there's dragons in here, that's such kind of an accepted part of typical fantasy that you're, they just kind of feel like an animal, just another animal. And the way they fuse them in here, too. Whereas I remember Game of Thrones opening scene dealt with the White Walkers right away. Yeah. And it was such a like horror fantastical element that sets the stage for something that will lean more into fantasy, you know? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:54 And this seems more, granted, like, they did that in the opening, and then it was like pretty much just very real for a while. But this seems to just be really focused. It's more, what's the word? More contained and it feels more real. Like, if there weren't dragons, people might question, like, who's the real historical? This is based on actual writings?
Starting point is 00:32:22 It's actually happening. actual histories of the time. Yeah, well, and two, I like that they, you have, we've had a couple of dragon set pieces that are, you know, big CG set pieces. But like in this episode, even, like the dragons show up in like one transitional moment and you see that they're around.
Starting point is 00:32:39 And I think that contributes to that. It's like they don't have to be the focus half the time and you don't need every episode to have some kind of crazy dragon sequence. They just remind you that they're there sometimes. And I feel like that often lends more credence than a big dragon these scenes. because yeah they're good at selling this fantasy as not too distant fantasy
Starting point is 00:32:59 and without the white walkers it feels that much more grounded i think that's the thing with the game of thrones that really distinguishes it for me is this feels like a historical political show yeah whereas game of thrones i felt was was that but also i would throw in the word fantasy all the time because you had soothsayers and you had people like resurrecting the dead and and you had the white walkers and there was there was a bigger sense of like there's magic in this realm yeah and i don't really ever say the word fantasy who with house of the dragon yeah no i mean they haven't i'm trying to think like they have their elixirs and things like that but so far we haven't really met any characters who are mystical so to speak yeah it's
Starting point is 00:33:40 the only really mystical element thus far is the dragon and even dragons and even things like the gods like i remember game of thrones having more of a sense of like the god's really out there whereas this more feels like religion feels you know in real life where it's just like yeah it's what we believe in and sure you know you think they're out there but I don't get the sense that they might actually intervene
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