The Reel Rejects - REJECT RECAP: Moon Knight Ep 6 "Gods & Monsters" - SEASON FINALÉ Review & Breakdown!

Episode Date: May 4, 2022

We made it, people!! Greg & John are once again joined by our good friend & comics expert, Coy Jandreau, to discuss the Moon Knight Season (1?) Finalé and all its juicy revelations including the wra...pup for Marc Spector & Steven Grant, Layla's badass armor, the Ammet / Khonshu Kaiju Battle, Jake Lockley and more!! Join us as we share our thoughts on Episode 6 as well as the season overall! And, as always, you can watch the Reaction Highlights on YouTube or Stream Along with us at Patreon.com/TheReelRejects Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:40 Yeah. So, it's soaking him. Just absorb it like, it's like using him, but not letting mark it on it. Yeah. So he's the true assassin mercenary, like, all controlling. He doesn't even need a suit up? Nope. He takes them out as a cabby limo driver.
Starting point is 00:02:00 And I like the conchue was in the suit because he didn't need to suit up. That's cool to like, because they changed Stephen Grant to be like this British guy who's not a billionaire. And then to change Jake Lockley from like New York cabby driver to, I don't know, honoring Oscar Isaac's roots a little bit more. So why did the randomly have an accent a couple times in the in the psych war? To throw us off, dude. That wasn't hit. That was, I think that was purposely done for this.
Starting point is 00:02:27 scenes. I said it. I said it wasn't... Maybe I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he actually has a weird accent but he speaks Spanish. Well, I was thinking was that they were just doing that to throw us off. Yeah. Because that's what I thought, like, to really distinguish better, especially when he's, like, switching in and out of accents in a particular scene. Because it sounds like Mark has, like, a Chicago accent, and it just comes out a little bit more. An extra annunciation of the... Yeah. That's one thing I chalked up to.
Starting point is 00:02:54 But I also thought I was wrong, too. But it would also make sense for something like that to come out into a more drugged up state. Yeah, I get a boss when I drink. Yeah, yeah. No, I thought that I said, yeah, it's just like when you're a little bit more uninhibited, you know, it'll come out of your subconscious. No, it was a mistake on Oscar Isaac's. Yeah, no, he's very much credit.
Starting point is 00:03:13 He's messy with his acting. If I think of anything. Too much credit. If I have one complaint, it's Oscar Isaac. And his messy vocal work. This whole episode was great other than Oscar Isaac's acting. Yeah, really threw me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:25 If we could just redo this, but like, somebody else Pedro Pascal it's a weird feeling when my favorite moments that's not my favorite moment but it's definitely like probably my favorite moment post credit scene yeah it's not even like truly a post-credit since it's kind of the ending like you know in its own way it's it's less of a post-credit than most like it's an actual it's key to the story definitely in a way that i don't think post-credit scenes generally are they usually set up something as opposed to this which concludes something so they're gonna going to go around hit many people yeah i hope oscarly comes back all right let's discuss this show people
Starting point is 00:04:01 all right guys we got microphones yeah because we got a podcast where this goes up so i was like hey let's let's let's mic up to be professionals it's not going to be any different just going to really improve the quality of our conversation yeah i feel much more entitled i'm so much more I like just a drastic change from okay audio to drastically better audio
Starting point is 00:04:28 this feels good in my eardrums just a massive switch 4K audio now people will never be able to go back to the old audio Dolby sound so this
Starting point is 00:04:41 this episode really showed us that they're getting all their diversity out of the way with one character here He's got every ethnicity and nationality within him. He's got a Spanish, Latino guy, a Jewish guy. And then Egyptian girl.
Starting point is 00:05:02 British guy. Yeah. That sounds good. British guy in the MCU. You know what? We haven't seen a lot of British superheroes. So, look, we talked a little bit while I was prepping some footage and was taking longer than usual.
Starting point is 00:05:16 And so we're going to have to naturally regurgitate some of those conversations. Not a lot. We've got to talk for like five minutes about it. But hey, John, why don't you kick us off with your thoughts on what you thought about the Moon Night finale? Be honest. That's all that's required.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Absolutely. The Moon Night finale, I thought, was pretty decent. I liked it. I had a good time. I really enjoyed the imagination. I enjoyed some of the crazy circumstances that came to pass. I do feel like this could have easily been
Starting point is 00:05:48 a couple episodes worth of material, especially coming out of the last episode that reached such wonderful depths and heights of character exploration. Felt like that stuff definitely had to be fast-tracked in this episode. So, yeah, it left me wanting some things, but I had a great time,
Starting point is 00:06:05 so it's not like a slam dunk of an ending, but, you know, I mean, it got there. I would definitely watch more. I would be thrilled to return to and expand this world, but yeah, it feels maybe a little bit limited from this vantage point. quite i thought we got a lot of the things we'd been seeking but i do think we got them very quickly i would have loved another episode in the field of reads and finding out what it was like for mark
Starting point is 00:06:29 specter to enjoy peace what his experience of peace would even be beyond that one beautiful shot where it looked like they let oscar go to the spa but i also think there was a beautiful moment between the brothers that could have been earned a little more by pushing it now obviously they have a format of you know six episodes at marvel but i think the flexibility of letting the scripts and the story they're telling breathe and let it be seven let it be eight i think what marvel the way marvel can improve is by letting that flex you should tell the story in the amount of time the story takes to tell not in a certain allocated amount of episodes you shape your story around i think that's kind of backwards the way they're doing
Starting point is 00:07:07 it right now and i think this episode was the first time in the moon night series i felt that in all of the marvel series i felt a little bit of hurry up and wait except loki i think loki i think Loki is the one that I thought the pacing stayed consistent throughout and as such has my favorite Marvel finale and as such is personally my favorite Marvel show because it has six episodes that all feel justified whereas Moon Knight I said if it stuck the landing was going to be my new favorite Marvel show it's very good I really really enjoyed it but I think Loki is a stronger arc and I do think if Moon Knight had been perhaps seven had been you know more in the psychology at the finale and a little bit more pay off. off, it could have taken that number one spot. And as it stands now, I think it's my number two. Really enjoyed the finale, but I did feel some wanting. Yeah. Yeah, I'd echo everything you guys said.
Starting point is 00:08:04 I think I would say I liked it a little bit less than you guys. Because I'm just trying to push buttons in the comments. Marvel Hater now. I just want people to disagree. This isn't a Captain Marvel movie. You can't talk like that. Engage. Edge.
Starting point is 00:08:19 Say it isn't so. It's like 80s. Engage in the comments. If you're listening on the only the podcast, you can't see what I'm talking. You don't see the biceps. The rippling biceps happening. My flannel biceps.
Starting point is 00:08:36 The 90s are consuming your arm. He's got 90s nirvana biceps. No, I would say that this episode had some of the coolest moment. that I've seen in the entire series. They're like, the fighting, while not long, there's not one really, truly long fight scene in any of these episodes, is there? They're all brief.
Starting point is 00:09:00 Everything's brief. This one, you got two fight scenes, effectively. I thought that was very creative because they distinguished the fighting between Mr. Knight and Moon Knight very well, and especially Jake Lockley. It's all off screen. Everyone's dead.
Starting point is 00:09:16 If it's a bloodbath, it was Jake, luckily. So that must have been Jake, was that Jake in the first episode? I think so. And I also think it was Jake, obviously, in that one time they were both like, what, what was that? But I think there's probably, if you rewatch it a couple episodes where the blood bath means it was Jake. I think we saw Jake probably more than we think we did. Probably, probably. There's going to be a lot of people doing videos about that, racking hundreds of thousands of views on them.
Starting point is 00:09:42 And so, yeah, I think that some of the fighting was some of the cool. coolest we've gotten. I actually was really worried once I saw massive omit, like growing omit was like, oh, crap. I was like my first thought. And then as it progressed, I actually thought it was really cool. Kiju fight. It was a kaiju. Does that he say it? I'm George to Kee. Kijun, Kijun's fight. Kijun. Yeah, I thought that was a really cool fight. I mean, it wasn't like the coolest fight ever, but it was better than I expected to be. I like some of the phasing of even just conch you on the ground level of how he moved there. So, yeah, I like when they go giant and, you know, that slow motion.
Starting point is 00:10:30 When they swoop the- Feel the scale. I love them when they swooped in the car was so tiny. That was one of my favorite shots. Well, and that was a good establisher that like, oh, yeah, these are physical forms and they are wreaking havoc over here. Yeah, yeah, I thought that was really great. Layla
Starting point is 00:10:46 Layla I like the acoustic version better from Eric Clapton unplugged more than the actual rock and roll edition Wow That's right guys He's an artist
Starting point is 00:11:01 I'm an artist because I've named one of the two Eric Clapton songs I like a more obscure version of a popular song You might know Eric Clapton but I know his B sides I know his The Concert So yeah I thought Layla's costume was great.
Starting point is 00:11:17 And full disclosure, we don't know who she's playing. It might be an original Marvel character. But if you guys know who the character is from a comic book, please let us know, which would be very interesting for the MCU to have like another female hero. We don't have too many lady heroes in the MCU. Girls get it done. An Egyptian hero. and if it's going to be completely original.
Starting point is 00:11:46 And honestly, I think it is, and I feel like this is a really cool way to start introducing new heroes in this direction. Like, Harley Quinn came through the animated series and then became a comic book character. Oh, I get what you're saying. So, like, having a TV show introduces, through women, through the TV show.
Starting point is 00:12:02 Comic book artists don't like right of male females. But I feel like that's a really, like, smart way for the MCU to start to be unique from the comics. Yeah, yeah, very true. I thought her powers were really cool. It was Wonder Woman-esque, sure. At the same time, it still felt like its own thing. I like the use of the flight, the wings.
Starting point is 00:12:21 I was a bit concerned that it was going to be. Once I said that, and I saw where my thoughts were going, and then I heard what some of the comments might say. And now I'm going to stop there. Self-edit. I'm going to say this instead. Well, no, I'm going to say what I'm going to say. I'm going to stop you from saying what you were probably going to say some of you people out there,
Starting point is 00:12:39 was that I was concerned that it was going to be. Layla was going to save the whole day. and now I know a lot of people I'm like oh freaking woke agendas and whatever you're too yeah and I didn't that's not where I was going with I just thought of what
Starting point is 00:12:51 I might undercut the show a little bit just for the fact that your title character is not the one who's the hero or like actually saves the day but that's something I did like about this as well like it gave us the arc of the character fully Stephen and Mark coming together
Starting point is 00:13:07 embracing each other as brothers and learning to literally just live during the day like with each other. They just, they know how to alternate back and forth. It kind of,
Starting point is 00:13:17 kind of happen a little quick to me. So that one more episode, I really would have loved one more episode. This should have been two episodes. Like, if you, if you play the episodes back to back of five and six, Steven's gone for like 15 minutes.
Starting point is 00:13:30 That's it. As opposed to like having the reads, having the breakdown, having the bond, having the development of the two voices, having all of that take longer, have the psychology back in the psych board, have that developed,
Starting point is 00:13:41 have the Harrow stuff last a little bit long, have the fight work in the same way, probably the same pace, but just letting the moments breathe other than the fight. Because I feel like the fight was the right amount of time. I feel like the fight, especially the switching between Mr. Knight and Moon Knight was so special because it was so rapidly between the two. If it was longer, it wouldn't have felt special as long. And then juxtaposing the small contained fight with the Kaiju fight was really cool visually.
Starting point is 00:14:04 So I loved all that. But whenever it wasn't fighting, I did feel like they were like, we got to get back to the fighting. And I was like, but there's so much psychology that we're resolving here. Yeah, I didn't feel much I wasn't really hooked it Like nothing was really like Latching into my emotions
Starting point is 00:14:19 During this episode, you know And the rest of the series I have been Other than the probably You know, the part when they do actually bond with each other I mean, where Mark does rescue Stephen in the sand Well yeah I was gonna say this was And then this isn't to spoil Multiverse of Madness
Starting point is 00:14:34 I had a similar kind of complaint about that movie Was that this kept giving me these scenes where I was like This is so wonderful Like I love that back and forth between Stephen and Mark, or even the back and forth between Layla and Conschu, I thought was great, where she's like, I'm not going to be your slave. Like, there are all these moments that hint at some really great character unpacking. And even for Harrow, I think he got slighted maybe the most in this episode because I, again,
Starting point is 00:14:56 have been loving Ethan Hawke's performance, and he makes that ultimate sacrifice. And there are all those moments where he's like, hey, I have dedicated my life to you, but you know what? If my scales aren't balanced, I accept my fate. Like, I loved those bits. And then, you know, he becomes Amit's avatar. And then pretty much from there, it's just like, well, okay, so we got to bind her to him. And there's the physical stakes.
Starting point is 00:15:15 And as long as we can kill them, we'll be good. And, yeah, it was one of those things where I feel like it's all there. It just could have been more graceful, and it could have come down to more than just the plotting. Yeah. I still feel like it got a little too big for my taste. Too big too quickly. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Because, like, omit, for some reason, just doesn't leave much of an impression on me. And why does her avatar not get a cool outfit? I don't know. You just get to say it in the same ropes. At first, when she shut up, I was like, interesting. And then she started talking. And I was like, yeah, I feel like this buildup to Amit being unleashed really wasn't anything special. I didn't find, other than like cool visual of Giant Conshu and Giant Amet, the character of Amin and the buildup to, ultimately what she was doing.
Starting point is 00:16:02 I really think this needed to be two episodes. I hate that this is a comic complaint. It didn't drop my stomach the way I wanted it to, yeah. Nor did it feel as. didn't start feeling actually scary or menacing until she was like, we're judging everyone in Egypt right now. And there were a bunch of moments that were cool like that. Like there were a bunch of moments where we got excited that.
Starting point is 00:16:22 Like I want to give the episode a lot more credit for those things that did work. It's just the major, major thing of wishing it was more length is the undercurrent. Like we can say we love, you know, the emotional ties of seeing that giant rapture. We can say we enjoyed the emotional connects between them too and the. fights and all those things but without the time between those moments it did feel like that's all we can talk about well yeah it's like there's there's moments and then there's scenes that's like there's a big difference between them and i think that a lot of the the actual scenes were just not having the effect that i think they were intending that that were desired you know like there's
Starting point is 00:17:00 a lot i feel like you go pick a part here and there's a lot i think you can isolate and look back on and go well i appreciate that like you brought up the scene for podcast listeners john brought up the scene. That's me. About, you know, like when Conchue is debating with Leila. I do like that reveal, though, of Conchue being like, I never wanted that girl. Yeah, that was nice. The Jake reveal, I think this might be one of the first times we had the show end in a post-credit scene.
Starting point is 00:17:30 We were talking that this isn't like a continuation into the future and further. It is obviously setting up things, but it's also kind of the end of the show. And it's interesting to do that after some credit. And I don't know if I've seen that. Well, I think what's neat about that reveal, I know we're kind of hopping around all over the place here, but that's kind of the vibe that's left here, is that Conchew is, he has a negotiation with Mark and Stephen,
Starting point is 00:17:56 you know, and then it makes Mark and Stephen feel like they're finally in control of the situation with Conchew. And then the ending reveal shows you, no, they're not. They're not in control. And they probably have never been in control. And they're not even aware of it. There's only, like, T's... By now, they should be like
Starting point is 00:18:12 there's a third personality in me. They have to at least somewhat deduce that. They haven't even said that to themselves. I'm like, this is the second time. Maybe that's a defense mechanism. Like, maybe they're, you know, protecting that much. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you get it here in that one bit of, like,
Starting point is 00:18:26 that definitely wasn't me. That wasn't me. I do like that he's a Spanish-speaking character because, you know, Oscar Isaac being Cuban and Guatemala and totally did not look that up in between setting up microphones. being Cuban Guatemalan and being able to represent that here is awesome. Also, the ability that he has to go between languages and accents in the same sentence is staggering.
Starting point is 00:18:49 Some of the acting in this, obviously the whole show, we've been praising the acting, but every time he transfers in between moments, and in this one now that he's doing it in real time, like he's actually both Stephen and Mark live at us, incredible work, like truly staggering. yeah definitely how do you guys feel about harrow overall as a villain throughout the series i think it felt like ethan hawk personally his character i really liked him more in the psych ward more than i did as actually arthur harrow i like what he represented inside of mark and stephen's mind more but i know you really yeah i parked on him a lot throughout this series so i'm curious to know like how you feel about arthur harrow in total yeah i mean MVP in terms of
Starting point is 00:19:36 one of the MVP's in terms of performance. I mean, like, you know, all the flowers to Oscar Isaac, absolutely, but I really do love what Ethan Hawk has brought to this. And again, I liked the notes with him that carried through this, but I got to
Starting point is 00:19:51 kind of agree with you that the most interesting and part of the interesting thing about the way he is the doctor in, you know, the mental asylum, you know, sort of spiritual way station is based on your association with him on Earth. But yeah, I feel like that is the most interesting stuff when it comes right down to it.
Starting point is 00:20:10 And I kept wishing that there was, again, more time to explore him personally. Because there's so much really interesting connective tissue between him and Mark, Steve, and Jake, et cetera, his relation to consue and everything. And, you know, he gets kind of a raw deal with Amit. And I would have liked to have, I don't know, it's interesting. It's a badass and very kind of cold-blooded ending that they give to him. but it's like, oh, he's dead now, I guess. That's that. I don't really like that cliche anymore
Starting point is 00:20:45 where character kills people constantly. And then when it comes down to the big batty, they become a moral hero. That was my time to get a good guy because the bad guy is left. And I especially didn't like it here because that was, ridiculously rushed.
Starting point is 00:21:07 He's been killing so many people. Like, as the monster is constantly in this episode alone, he's like, stab, stab, stab, stab. But until the guy that's trying to kill the planet, no, he's still. And the fact that so much of the conflict between Stephen and Mark
Starting point is 00:21:23 is Stephen going, dude, you're a savage. You kill in cold blood. We can't do that anymore. Like, that's cool. That's fine. Except this episode also then goes to swap that round and go, well, Mark's actually not that much of a savage. is Stephen Lockley, he's the savage.
Starting point is 00:21:37 So it kind of muddies that up too. That scene felt very perfunctory to me in the way that was handled, and it just was just like, get the lines out of the way. That's how it like read to me in the moment, just so quick. And especially after we had just had this really cool moment of introducing a new hero and having this really cool, like, power couple moment, to have that undermined by this very traditional, oh, this is a hero moment. It felt like, oh, we're subverting expectations and expectations.
Starting point is 00:22:04 and that the rest of the show hadn't felt that way for me that's very good point because I personally really liked how you know Jake Lockley you don't see him take out all the bad guys you don't see
Starting point is 00:22:15 although it might have been cool to do one of those like fight club montages or joke of montages where you like go back and you see speaking Spanish because I told you when he popped
Starting point is 00:22:25 in the cab and he was like what's that accent I would love to see him speaking Spanish just cut away to him killing five people and say via condios
Starting point is 00:22:31 it's the El Mariah There's like a whole Robert Rodriguez movie that happens. That's episode eight, I want. Borrowing from Hobart. I didn't care for that scene. Well, because you could have come down to something interesting between the two avatars and between, again, somebody who has known Conchus service but also now under Amit's service.
Starting point is 00:22:53 You could have made an interesting conflict that also plays off of or bounces off of what is literally gigantically happening in the backdrop. Harrow didn't get the chance to really manifest his being the official avatar, nor did we really have the actual conflict of the avatars greeting Ethan because they got killed off camera. So, like, you've set up this thing where Ethan Hawke has been forgiven inexplicably because Oscar Isaac's like, yo, he's doing some stuff. They're like, we don't believe you, Oscar Isaac. And then he marches in.
Starting point is 00:23:21 They're like, oh, I guess he was right, dead off screen. I would have liked to have had some more there. To me, the biggest disappointment of all this, the biggest disappointment is that it did exactly what I was worried this finale would do, which was go big, go big, have a lot of action. But we had five episodes prior, even the third episode, which I personally thought, a lot of people love that episode. I thought that was the weakest of the five. I really felt like the thing they dropped the ball on the most was they dropped everything about conversations, psychology, and they just went for big. You know, they had that one great scene where you do
Starting point is 00:24:00 see, you know, Mark and Stephen entering back into their own mind, working together. Beautiful. Defeat, you know, like overcoming the manipulative psychiatrist, therapist in their own mind. I thought that was a really great acceptance scene on top of it all. That was a really good one. But, like, all the, they had such good debates and conversations and philosophical, existential conversations woven in throughout this series in so many ways and, like, discussions. even with Arthur Harrow, with Layla, with Mark, with Stephen,
Starting point is 00:24:35 and then the gods debated in episode three at least, you know, discussing this. And then here it's just like, zip, zip, bang, bang, bang, you know? To me, that's my Wanda Vision problem, is I really, really loved Wanda Vision, and there was literally a transition from Ship of Theseus to Punch Vision. Yeah. It goes very quickly. Episode 6 felt like the Marvel episode, and I like Marvel, but if you're going to let me have something that's a...
Starting point is 00:24:59 psychological and philosophical conversation and then suddenly pivot to punching, that's not the show. And to me, there was, if this could have kept the punching, but also kept the psychology, if there was one more episode. That's the balance they got a strike. And that's why this had to have been
Starting point is 00:25:15 two episodes. And I don't think every show was six, was Loki six episodes? Yeah. It is, yeah. Wow. I think it's a structure issue. And WandaVision's eight? Yeah, but they're shorter. That's true. Well, they grow, because yeah, they start out being like 30, 25, 30. minutes and they become like 45 50 55 and i really think that like you need like that flexibility
Starting point is 00:25:35 worked and i think moon night could have used a little bit of that like let this be seven this felt like studio notes in a lot of way of like we got to go back it's still a superhero show so you know let's let's get a little bit more lively here you know like with the whole thing when they're the stakes of when stephen and mark are reunited and they're walking back to to get out and there were still so many cool things but yeah it's just like that's the thing and then the The Cyrus, the boat, and the friggin, yeah, I'm going to stop the waves. Like, it starts to feel a little like a Disney movie at that, at those points. It's silly. It's silly.
Starting point is 00:26:10 So. Yeah, and it's also. And if Koi's having issues, you know this is a real thing. You know what, you guys. I'm trying to be a person that hasn't painted. We're back. We're back. I got three more minutes with Koi before he turns to do a pump.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Before I am a pumpkin. Before I turn into Stephen Locke. But yeah, you know, it's like last episode, a lot of these episodes just like are so invigorating that no matter how tired I am, they just spark a thought process. And here I'm just like, my feelings I'm left with are some of the coolest moments. Like the action was really cool. Like that was really getting me a lot of the time. And it was also that feeling, too, of like, I really want to keep loving this. So I'm really trying to give in to the cool even more.
Starting point is 00:27:01 But then by the time it wraps up, literally it was the scene when Mark is like, I'm not going to kill me to do it, you know? At that moment was when I was like, okay, yeah, this has totally lost me at that moment. For me, like the problem was how good the rest of the show was that my expectations were at that consistent A, that like high concepts, a really interesting,
Starting point is 00:27:24 thought-provoking situation. And then for the last episode to be, You know, a B-B-minus, it's not bad. It's not, you know, it's just below. The average show is not even a B for me, but the average of this has been an A, so a B feels like a downgrade. So comparatively is the problem,
Starting point is 00:27:43 and that's what's hard about these six episode shows, is if you've got this momentum with five and then six doesn't stick the landing, it affects your whole experience. And I do think there could have been a bit of a different way to handle the what was left of the story to tell. Especially after that remarkable fifth episode. Five, man.
Starting point is 00:28:03 Well, because it makes that fifth episode then feel like it's out of a separate show and got dropped into this more sort of fun and swashbuckling thing. And if we could have had that, because I feel like five in general stands separate from all of them because they all have a certain reliance on adventure
Starting point is 00:28:21 and we've got to keep things moving and stuff and we're building the psychology. And they're all crescendos there, and it doesn't feel like we gracefully came out of that crescendo into this. You know, it feels like we started in one show. We had that fifth episode to really kind of flood it with this saturation of emotion. And then the last one kind of ends up somewhere in the middle, kind of like floating in the middle of those things. I'm curious rewatching it now that I have the expectations of the last episode being so action-packed if it'd be feel better. Now that, you know, like now that I know that's the route if the whole show, you know,
Starting point is 00:28:54 knowing where it lands feels better. I just don't think you can get back to light, to lighter without feeling a little bit of that kind of, without feeling the difference in the weight, you know, because this does just feel like a lighter thing at the end. And there is something, too, about that that I think narrows the scope or makes the scope again feel a little bit more like a cartoon. And I think, you know, in reveling in some of those harsher, darker, more challenging emotions, you can then help legitimize all of the crazy magical circumstances around you.
Starting point is 00:29:27 But the faster the circumstances have to unfold, the more everything starts to feel like a roller coaster ride. I like what you just said about lighter and darker. I wish we had a couple moments to like appreciate the fact that that so many people were dying in the streets of Egypt. And we were seeing these people like judging each other. And then we were seeing like this massive horrific event. And it was like 30 seconds.
Starting point is 00:29:47 Like we didn't get time to realize how traumatic that was. We didn't get time to realize like these people are. judging their neighbor and killing them. And that's all happening. And we've set up the whole show to that. Like, this is the revelations we were like waiting for Amit to come back for them. It was like, we've got to get back to the fight. And I just, I wanted to live there
Starting point is 00:30:03 more. I just keep, I sound like a broken record. I just want more. And I love that this is my problem, but like, I want more. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here we are again, another Marvel finale. Good moments. Some great
Starting point is 00:30:19 moments. A lot of great moments. A lot of great moments. A lot of great moments. Overall, where you guys rank the shows. Oh, boy. I like ranking stuff. I'm a list guy. I'm a Virgo.
Starting point is 00:30:29 How many shows we got now? It's top five too big. V. Low key. I'd still give the edge to Moon Night. Falcon. This would, yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:42 You got two left. There it is. I was letting you get there. Then episode four of what if of Dr. Strade and then what if? It's its own little category. It would probably be Loki, Wanda Vision,
Starting point is 00:30:56 this and Falcon and Winter Soldier can grapple for the next slot then what if Hawkeye? So this is a little slightly above for me. It goes Loki, this, Wanda Vision for me. But those three are like this beautiful like different, you know,
Starting point is 00:31:10 top category. And then Falcon Winter Soldier Hawkeye, what if? Man, it's tough because this one I really I don't know why I feel especially
Starting point is 00:31:23 as much as there were like some really cool exciting moments it's one of those things that the more I think about it the more I feel like I'm in the sand just like I'm feeling empty and cold
Starting point is 00:31:38 because I think it hurts more when the show proves it can sing and can be so great and then it doesn't keep it. So when we talk about it I'm like oh I'm withering away And I'm over here going like I like that
Starting point is 00:31:52 Moon Night Mr. Knight fight and I really like the dichotomy between the sizes and I really liked the moment where they're brothers and bonded again and I'm going to say in the happy space I'm going I'm over here like you know somewhere out there there's a timeline where this was incredible somewhere there's a timeline where there's seven episodes
Starting point is 00:32:08 so I was very excited about every show on the seven episode timeline there's a multiverse collie very excited about the seventh episode of Moon Night all right well what did you guys I at least had fun at the time I was watching it with you guys yay that's what I'll say I'll leave it there it was fun at the time of watching it and the less I talk about it the more I can just appreciate the enjoyment I had I wasn't bored the real fist of conchie was the friends made along the way you see the only real problem I'd have is if I was
Starting point is 00:32:42 bored but I wasn't bored so if I'm not bored then all right fine I'll give it to you in the morning not bored yeah and i was up till 630 yesterday's and i would rather i'm good now i would rather want more of what we're seeing which i do than want less of what we're seeing which i don't i would absolutely be excited for a season two 100% yeah i think we can all agree there the imagination and the tonal expansion alone is is worth the effort i'd also love to see him pop into other different tones and how weird it would be if moon night was just suddenly like hanging out spider man moon night and Deadpool. I shouldn't have given us mics.
Starting point is 00:33:17 We're talking way longer than usual. Definitely. Good luck at it. We like our voices. Here we are. I'm not any shit. You guys. You got no editing. I edit it.
Starting point is 00:33:27 Oh, you know what I was going to keep it on cut. All right. This one's going to be uncut. It's going to be raw. Don't worry. It's just the computer going to sleep. We're done. We're done.
Starting point is 00:33:38 Guys. Bye. Love you all. Bye, everyone. Leave your thoughts. Bye, everyone. Cut. Thank you.

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