The Reel Rejects - REJECT RECAP: MS. MARVEL Episode 3 "Destined" Breakdown & Review!!

Episode Date: June 22, 2022

THE CLANDESTINE REVEALED! Ahead of Aamir's wedding, Kamala Khan may face grave consequences due to a crucial decision she makes involving Bruno, Kamran, & MORE in the third episode of Marvel Studios' Disney Plus Series. Greg & John Discuss!! REACTION HIGHLIGHTS on YouTube & FULL LENGTH (Sync-Up) WATCH ALONGS at Patreon.com/TheReelRejects!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That was great. That was terrific. That was a great episode. God, man. I kind of dialed back some of those like, you know, Scott Pilgrim inspired visuals. Yeah.

But they replaced it with a lot of, like, mystery intention. Yeah. I thought, yeah, this one did nicely to, like, really hone in on just the cultural aspects at hand and then really dialing up the intensity due to that proximity to such, you know, familial and warm ceremony. I thought they had a really great balance with going back and forth between, you know, superheroes, supernatural stuff, moving that

forward and then the actual like just the families, the wedding, the culture, like you said, life lessons, you know. I thought this was a really great balance. in the episode of it all. Yeah. And then I thought it culminated quite natural, too. And now we got an established villain. That's right.

Yeah. Them gin. Oh. I thought we were talking about Nani. Oh, yeah, yeah. Nakia's going to use all the power of the board to take Kamala down. I said Nani.

Nani is the villain. Gotcha. Don't be racist, John. Sorry. They're all the... Same to me. Noti Nakia? Notti, Naccia, the dad, the mom.

I can't tell them apart. All the brown people. They're just a bunch of the same character. Like the clones in Star Wars. All right. Well, no core here, so we have nothing to say. Yep, nothing. See you guys.

No insights. Coy, what did you think? Oh, that's right. No, coy. No, this whole channel is been dependent on him this whole time. How are we going to do? to talk about this never ever will be succeed who's in the show what's the characters called

um it's dr marvelous it's muslim miss mazel it's the miss mazel miss muslin masel yeah oh boy yeah i thought this was an excellent episode uh overall because yes of everything we just briefly touch on the credits of you know cutting between like the cultures and the superhero qualities like the beginning part was you know other than like we got to get some fun exposition out of the way you know let's explain who the clandestines are it had me fooled i didn't expect something malevolent peeking around the corner even though i'm like i should have picked up on that from the opening scene all the mom's warnings kind of the presence of the second episode of the reveal of her too like all the signs runicating that and it wasn't until the scene in the

Circle Q with Bruno when I started realizing, oh, wait, yeah, yeah, they might be actually like some bad, bad folk. But what I liked about how they executed them in the, at the wedding scene was they did seem truly threatening. They, they seemed like an actual intimidating presence. And I thought they might have, you know, P-G'd it up, children in it down a little bit, making more kid-friendly. And while it wasn't like bloody or something of that nature, it wasn't like brutal, it still had an impact and it still felt like these are violent people and they will kill anyone in their way. They at least evoked that emotion while watching this episode and especially in that moment. And I thought like the action was like cooler than it has been prior to that point. And it was actually intense and the action served the plot.

It wasn't just we need an action scene. So throw it in here. It actually propelled the plot forward and was significant. And it also allowed for characters to rise to certain occasions and for them to develop a little bit more with, you know, Kamala rise into the occasion of she keeps, she keeps running throughout that fight occasionally, like smacking people away. But the whole point, she just keeps running away. But eventually, you know, like when Bruno is in danger, she steps up and just kicks some ass, you know, showing that she is a superhero. She's protecting. Bruno stepping in.

Cam Ran stepping in. Some of that development of Comran is a little weird. It's a little bit. Yeah. It was a little like, we're shifting fast with him. Yeah, yeah. It's one thing. It's not the point.

But yeah, I could have maybe used a scene or two. If we are going to have that be truly impactful, I would like to see the struggle within him, you know, that kind of leads him to. I just feel like, yeah, there's a whole side quest off screen happening where he's like, God, what do I do? My family, but Kamala? But, yeah, I think they've gotten a really, they get really good mileage out of quality filmmaking to me

because, like, you're talking about the action and everything, and yeah, they do feel super threatening, and they mix, I think, really well, regardless of how people feel about the change and the origin of her power, I think they mix really well the use of just hand-to-hand combat or slightly more upscale combat with, you know, outlandish weapons,

and then using the super-powered parts, in between there and I think that allows for like a tempering where there's like enough intensity that it actually feels intense but there's enough of that whimsy to bring it down and you don't have to PG-13 it in such an obvious way because you're not even really thinking about the blood because of how kinetic but also focus the camera work is so you can really see what's happening but it's also moving fast enough that you get the impact of everything well also because they're showing these guys stepping in and just flat out hurting it just hurting people just wantonly hurting people yeah we're like you don't need to hurt them yeah like you don't need to punch that guy what are you doing cause destruction here if all you want to do is get home yeah so there is that impact be because of that because you see the the innocent people who are in danger so evacuating them from the wedding does seem essential that comron thing does need need some flushing out though i i really think so because it's just like you're hitting me my mother oh oh yeah you went behind

my back and texted her and there's just one scene where he's like mom how could you mother i'm going to tell her at once i don't know why he's is dandy in my mind i must save cabala she's in danger see it uh it played a little goofy in a way that didn't seem flattering to the show if that makes sense well hammy sometimes that little cheese can be charming and to me it was oh okay here we are yeah we have shifted gears and um yeah i mean the the performer of oh my god it's another name with an n there's like three characters with n names um namja kamran's mom yeah yes it's either namja or najma i'm not sure what is jay goes uh yeah i mean i i like the performance of her a lot because she had me fooled when she was sweet and then

she's scared she's scary when she's threatening yeah i could have used it's not a gripe but if I had to start thinking of gripes I would say you know I could have used maybe a little more of just living in that place where you do trust them because you know if we could have maybe even reached the end of this episode and not really known until that fight breaks out or something I think that could have been cool because it was one instance where I was like dang this could go either way maybe they're just misunderstood I'm becoming Mark Wahlberg you know like maybe these guys yeah like I can see how they might be you know not as benevolent as

they appear, but maybe it's, you know, the MCU's getting better at making villains or antagonists, really, who are very understandable and who have reasonable motivations, but they just are at odds with whatever the case is on Earth 616. Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. But at the same time, I'm like, no, it was kind of the dummy sitting here full. No, I was too, though. I was like, there's no villains in the show.

No, it caught me part way through because I was sitting there and I literally had that thought of, I don't know, wait, that's going to, they could just. you know end up being fine and I don't know what's going to happen next well I thought with the villainous I thought the threat was not necessarily you have I thought the threat they were building up was the DODC yeah yeah because I like what they're implementing here was a path I I didn't expect it to go down because um uh six months ago I decided not to be racist so my mind doesn't even ponder anymore oh man of what you know possible prejudice crowds, people can go.

I'll get there someday. Yeah. It wasn't a healthy place to live, John. Six months ago when I said, I think I need to stop this. It might get me in trouble one, dude. Give up my racism habit. And now that I've given up my racism habit,

I'm a much healthier person, I think. It's that simple, guys. You look a lot right here. Just choose not to segregate individuals based off of race, appearance. Don't discriminate based on things. What do you know?

It's pretty easy to kind of just decide not to do it. Don't be a dick about facts of life, you know. As long as you just don't judge people on the way they're born. Wow, that's simple? Oh, my God. Crazy. Yeah, well, to go down the path of like, oh, you got these government people, white folks kicking the goddamn doors and going to mosques and shit. See, now you're being racist again.

White people, it's all we do is just we just kick down doors and be intolerant. justice for government agencies. You're right, you're right, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that. We're going to stand up for my... I'm sorry. All lives matter. All of them, especially all the white ones that aren't getting enough attention anymore. Yeah, being overshadowed.

Where's Koi? This review is dangerously woke right now. We need Koi to get us back to comics. Coy, who's not woke at all? No. Anti-woke Koi. we need a mirror so yeah we we um the the path they went down the thing always one joke about deciding not to be a racist one a two minute around um uh the the path they were they were going

down with you know the of like oh my god this there's uh like a terrorist slant to it you know and to because it's taking place in new jersey which is like right across the street from New York City and I respected them for going down that route because that is a real struggle that people in the Muslim community have had to really deal with especially since you know post 9-11 of just being judged off of that appearance alone so them dealing I liked what the struggle was that Kamala was having and I would be curious to talk to people who I know that are Muslim and who are, you know, Indian or Pakistani. I would like to be able to talk to them because, um, and then put them on camera and then point to them and go, that's my friend. See,

I'm not racist because six months ago, I decided I needed a friend from me to race out. I'm only going to show you off when it relates directly to a show like to make myself look better. You know, so. Um, hype up the show. Yeah. I don't know why this became the bit. It's the most anti-woke, woke review. Um, Well, we were we actually talking about how they bring up the concern of how Kamala is affecting the community. Because it's not just, you know, looking at the DOC and seeing how they're being really like chauvinistic and, you know, kicking the goddamn door and and just like walking all over the place. I appreciated getting the conversation going between Nakia. and uh and also the the head of the mosque of the current head of the mosque too and and seeing

different perspectives on it while kamala's caught in the center of i wanted someone who represented us but now my is by doing this actually creating harm for the community and the reputation when there's so much about not getting involved in any forms of something that because like anything that she does can be likened to violence yeah when that's not the intention yeah Yeah, easily misinterpreted. Yeah, it was like criminal activity. Yeah. And so, you know, the purposes of the DOC getting involved, I think, make it that much more effective.

But I also appreciate the gray that they pointed out here because the DODC is often portrayed in the MCU and even to a certain extent in comics. Because they're not, they're not like terrible people, the DODC. They're like a lighter version of the boys' attitude in a way. without having to wipe everything I was sort of like we got to hard line these things we got to make sure that the order is kept

they really they're just you know the law enforcement that feels like it kind of gets in the way and gets annoyed at soups and shit

but they they they at the end at the end of this episode I thought it was neat that they actually saved the day to be like

oh DC does good things sometimes yeah if they hadn't been here this might have gotten more out of hand yeah because I was watching it going how are they going to get out of the situation?

Yeah, it's a good point. And, I mean, I feel like they've done really nicely in this show, especially to draw, like, really well-proportioned renditions of all these different faculties of the story they have at their disposal, like the DODC. It's like, okay, that's where they are in their development now, is they can contain certain advanced threats like this. Yeah, yeah.

And, yeah, it's just, I don't know, like, they're so good in this show at doing multiple things at once and not making it seem like it or not garrishly, pointing to things to make sure that you know about whatever fan service thing. Like they're really good at, yeah, putting a human story on top of a growing, you know, universe of implications about heroes and powers. And now they're also filtering that through, you know, we've not to, again, go too woke, but like we have a lot of white heroes who just get to have their hero journey and don't

really have to think about like, well, what am I doing for my actual community of people who still has a hard time, you know, being accepted into the greater culture of where we all it's great at doing those things and feeling so natural about it without ever like pointing and going see see see and so yeah it's like you i'm curious to see how they'll ultimately meld all that into what the clandestines are doing right and if they have an ultimate point because like i love the ground level stuff and seeing her family and seeing their concerns and seeing like even the stuff between her and naki i thought was really well tempered too about how she still doesn't know and Kamala's a little distracted but not in a way that's too obvious and uh yeah like all that stuff has so much like rich lifey you know it's relevant but again in in not a garish way and i want to see how that affects the ultimate outcome of both where the doDC ends up as a force of vague like they're antagonistic at times given their whole raisind detra and then you have you know the clandestines who i wonder how kind of understanding

and what kind of metaphor they could stand in for by the end of this, because it was, I guess, when it comes to their turn, some of that stuff is about the only thing in this episode that feels a little quick. And so I hope they can join some of the other quality MCU villain antagonist, you know, characters in that gallery of ones who have really understandable motivations and, you know, are well-drawn characters. as well because I think that would just

tie this whole thing together with a bow you know yeah I would I hope the writing does get better on them the same time it's I also don't think the show is particularly interested in you know being all like she's gonna be in like the marvels

and so that's when that's when they'll get all like crazy but they've been laying like the I really think that was Cree related the bangle at the beginning oh it's got it looked like a Cree hand and and then you know with being

the marvels and shit there's gonna be some it's gonna be cool but I also don't want the show to go with that big yeah no totally when this kicked off with like interdimensional shit

I'm like I just like no it's been what's been working about this is how really grounded this is and how there's just so much life and conversation and relationships that by the time

you got to the wedding I was like oh damn a lot of the the action moments while not the craziest action in any of these Marvel shows The action is really feeling intense because we've just spent so much time dealing, getting to know these characters and the relationships and the dynamics of it all that you do feel the tension from them. So I'm like, that makes the action so much more rewarding because they haven't been in a rush to get to action whatsoever out of almost three hours of television. Well, and so much of this episode is about coping with the action from the end of the last episode.

Which was not much. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they make a lot out of the emotional response to it, which I think is really clever. Yeah, and I think, oh, my God, I'm blanking on her name. What's Kamala Khan's actor's name? Do you know what? Iman.

Iman Volani. Valani. I'm not putting my chips on that. I thought what she did here again, she's just so superb as an actor. It's brilliant. it. I say actor because about four months ago, I decided not to be sexist. Oh, good. And I think, dang. I think every couple months, man. I believe every and all women prefer to not be distinguished to an actor and actress. Sure. I think it's kind of a hive mind thought they have. Act person.

I learned this on my path to not being sexist, that they're, they have a hive mind. They do. That's how their periods get synced. So they can control when they do it And why do they cause me so much stress, John Yep It's the whole fun of it, man If you could do that, you would too Um

Anyway, her anti-sexist Her performance here And we were talking about adult actors Actresses too I want to just really clarify the conversation that we were not talking about teen actors at that moment when John brought up that biological situation.

Anyway, why'd you make things awkward, John? That's what I'm here for. We are so far down that hole now we're peeking out the other side. The, her performance here, I feel like the route that a lot of people would tend to go is kind of a more

expressive anxiety situation. where they might be a little bit more frantic in their behavior. What I really liked was how, you know, she was so lost in thought most of the time and it was kind of weighing her down internally. A little dazed. Yeah, I thought that was, I don't know if that was like her choice or if that was just the director's choice or in the writing.

Either way, it's a good choice and well played, you know. Like when, when Nokia tells her, like, I'm on the board. And it takes her. a moment to realize it and how she responds i thought felt so real the way she wasn't like what what wow like you know she like the transition into saying those following lines was so real and even dealing with like bruno um conveiling uh revealing that he went to he's going that he got accepted into caltech and how she handled her reactions there and just watching how ways down on her just felt like this this feels more real than someone who's like overacting the panic yeah and and i i really just

she is so good she is so so so good um and i i really hope that people recognize that because she brings so much layers oh yeah and if if there's like she hasn't been coined and i really like the build up to what do we call her yeah like it's called miss marvel but i really like the buildup of, you know, establishing what noon is and, and, you know, nor, what, nor, what, what about manure, manure, I hate manure. The time travelers' wife. The time traveler's wife. Dude, best movies. Sorry, Tom Wilkins. I said noon, didn't I? Noon. I realize it now

why you're correcting me Neur I mean it looks you know you just extend a little R and there you go Um Nure When I first

When I first When I first Learned the word Line I realized I'm not playing Miss Marvel Um

Inside Impression It's topical We got this We got this guys We're so close We're usually just in a rush Before Coy's about to cut us off

Yeah Yeah before we hold our breath And Coy just goes We're just like I know Coy wants to say a lot Oh my dude Sorry Coy You're reasoning for not being here

It cracks me up So it's just a roast session We are gonna have a black phone off screen Just to summon It's gonna be the Coy phone I did give him the past That would be like Yeah you can't come

It's totally cool But I thought it would be because This is your fault I thought it would be because he was off of a flight Yeah, I know Not because I charged up And I went out To a vintage career

Which I get it You know you got ties I understand But at the same time I'm like it sounds like you had a full party Yeah And then a half hour Before you're supposed to show up

You're like Can't do it Can I get to this party man A few drinks in Oh no I forgot what parties are And how they work fundamentally. It's so funny. So funny. Anyway.

It brings a smile to my thing. Oh. I imagine Koi hung over in bed right now. Boy, you jackass. Just call him in the morning and pretend there's a new Thor trailer. Just have him show up here and then you decide to bail. I should be like, it's going to drop in an hour. I got early access.

Could you drive over? Oh, so sorry. The file got corrupted just before you got here. I don't know what I was. I'm sorry, man. And apparently they're not going to upload it. Apparently they're scrapping this whole trailer because the movie comes out in a week. Or two weeks, whatever.

But, yeah, this was a really good episode. Everyone did an excellent job. And, yeah, sure, you guys leave your theories down below on clandest-ins and all that crap. Dad is great. Everyone's great. Hulk shirt came back. It was a lot of information at the beginning, though. It was.

I'm excited to go to Karachi because I'm hoping for more. Like, it was really cool to be, and especially on the heels. moon night i was like oh well-timed because you're in sort of a mystical but also you know culturally very distinct place and i i hope for more of that in a more breathable way yeah instead of like whoa you know if they actually film it in karachi that would be cool and i wouldn't uh it seems like something they could do for a project like this you know with all these actual people in the show That would be pretty cool. That would probably be a movie.

I got Ethan Hawk to go over there. That's right. Maybe we can get a bunch of these actors over. And what's Oscar Isaac again? He's like, he's like Ecuadorian and something or I don't know. Got him over to Egypt though. No one night's Jewish though. Moon Knight's Jewish.

That's fair. Oscar Isaac's probably that's some Jewish. Well, I appreciate that they really embrace the Pakistani culture, though. I think that's a really admirable. admirable decision too. Because it really does feel like you're watching like one of those teen coming of age movies about another call. Like in a way

there's a little bend it like Beckham almost in here for me. Not that that's the best touchstone, but you know, something where it's like, oh yeah it's just about kind of coming of age and fitting in in a place that doesn't actively welcome you. Yeah, like super bad. Like super bad, dude. Yeah, this is like super bad.

You're like Seth and Evan. Or Drill Bill Taylor. Dillard Taylor. Yeah. So I get all the right references. Totally, totally. Project X. Project X. Yeah. A thousand percent, man.

Ten things I hate about you. Totally, dude. It's all in here. Mike and Dave need wedding dates. Ingrid goes west. Yeah, I guess that app. That's accurate. Anyway.

All right, guys. Well, let us know all your crazy theories. The last thing we talk about is MCU connections, whatever. Well, I mean, this show doesn't seem too intent on that. Yeah, which, hey, I mean, not to slight fun MCU tie-ins, but I will take

this show that's like super invested in its characters and in telling like a really fluid, stylistic story, I will take that absolutely a hundred times over. Yeah. Because honestly, I kind of slightly missed it the first time I heard it about the interdimensional beings.

Like, oh, that's right there. International Bees. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just kind of seem like humans have been here forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, there's going to be, if they're going to do some mumbo-jumbo where there's the interdimensional magic and Jins, but then there's also Cree, something, we can kind of inch toward Terogenesis, even if it's... Well, I want them to do a little bit more of, you know, like, see what the MCU's versions of Jens are like, because it's so much of the time, Jens and, you know, other mediums are like, you know, other mediums are like, Spooky Jeannies. Yeah, yeah, man. Like, this ain't a Latin's genius. This is some scary shit.

Supernatural's, Jeannie. Yeah, yeah, totally. No, no, I'm rooting for him to, yeah. Like, if they do go more supernatural, I want to see it based on, you know, it's like they were reading off the, you know, Urdu on the, you know, information that Bruno had in that great scene with the dad.

And, like, stuff like that. I'm like, yeah, if you're going to dive into, you know, big over the top and mystical and effects and interdimensional, do it through that lens. And I think that'll be enriching. all right well

here we are we're at the end my friend this is the end that's the October list all right cool you want to do we're gonna shout out

people who pledged last year yeah yeah because they're the ones we're still here anyway guys thanks for being

here to catch us next week now that Obi-one's not over people are like, I should probably watch this, this is Marvel show. Yeah, maybe the numbers will pick up. Yeah, there's 100K views, his peasant views. Hey, I just want this to do well on Disney Plus, that's it.

I keep seeing the angry mob of people being like, it's failing, because people hate women and anybody who's not white. I don't know, I never know how to read how these shows are doing anymore because those headlines go out, and I'm like, Is it, is no one watching this? Maybe because a lot of people might watch the exciting.

They're watching the fucking Star Wars event. Yeah, or Darth Vader's back. Yeah. Anyway. I mean, just compete with Obi-1 and they still get like almost 800,000 viewers. It's fucking impressive. That is, absolutely. I'm happy to hear that.

Yeah, it's still impressive. So you're even like, know the context, people. Yeah. Assholes. Racists. just patron of the day shout out Rosapara Rosa

you kind of remind me of like a really cool version of the mom in this show because even though the mom is protective even though she's always looking out for Kamala and even though when Kamala's like I can't tell you stuff she's got that disappointment face you know that her character is of the utmost sterling gold standard

And that's you, Rosa. You are so sophisticated. You have such wonderful taste. You are a giver and a carer and a nurturer and a critical thinker. Amen. And I am frequently inspired. I'm always so happy when I see your posts pop up, see you active out there in the ether,

talking and dissecting and breaking things down. It's an inspiration. And that's the real. You don't need a bangle for that magic, okay? That's all you, Rosa. She doesn't need a bangle. She's a banger. You're a bangladesh.

Bangalore, Maine. You're a bagel. You're a bagel. Sucked into a bagel. Yeah. Time Traveler's way. Yeah, dude, it's best movie. Inspired a lot of others.

Let me tell you. Rosa, get on that review. Time Traveler's wife. Definitely seen that move. What do you think of it? Thank you.