The Reel Rejects - REJECT RECAP: MS. MARVEL Episode 4 "Seeing Red" Review!!

Episode Date: June 29, 2022

Kamala heads with her mother to Karachi where she bonds with her Nani, learns of her ancestors & the significance of the Bagle, meets Kareem (aka RED DAGGER), and discovers a secret temple with ties to the Noor... Coy rejoins us to discuss all the ins & outs of this week's Ms. Marvel! REACTION HIGHLIGHTS on YouTube & FULL LENGTH (Sync-Up) WATCH ALONGS at Patreon.com/TheReelRejects!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Anyway guys We'll see you in a jiffy Oh, wow, that was fast. It really was put back there. What a note to end on. Wow. Crazy stuff. A deal in the law?

Do you think there's a post-credit scene? Maybe. I doubt it would be of her, maybe of some, maybe the people back home, maybe even IKEA. Or of Brian? Or Brian? Or the pillow. What is the sloth doing now? It moves his head.

Slowly. That's why he was getting checked out so thoroughly. Sray. He's a jam. He's a chance. She's awesome. It's real good at the charming. We're real good at the charming.

She's just so natural. It's crazy. Yeah. This was like the most, it's interesting. Even though they're not in like the East Coast, this also felt the most Marvel episode to me out of the four. Because of the action meets, you know, family dialogue stuff. Because we entered the Sanctum Sanctorum.

Yeah, because Dr. Strange was in here. No, it's just like, they just deep dive so much into like lore, power, history, and then a bunch of abaction. Cool. Why have they changed the credits here? You sons of bitches! Georgia will return.

She'll be back in Georgia. Dang, I missed the director credit on this one. huh it was sam ramey i knew it he's the guy to tell this story director of quick in the dead that's why that was so much spooky i should see quick in the dead someday oh you shouldn't little baby leo yeah little decaprio i'm gonna see dark man got some sam ramy to catch up on this is what the patrons want

i mdb all right gosh we're gonna review alvis let's get it now too actually really excited for that I've said it for Elvis. You haven't seen it? No? No. Oh, Coy, what's the matter with you?

Was it good? I haven't seen it yet. I've heard a lot of different things. The first 40 minutes are like how Coy's brain works all the time. Yes. And then Coy Cain. And then 45 minutes in and Greg has to go, no, no, no, stop. The first 40 minutes are shot in Cocuscope and then...

What are you saying? Become a real movie now, thank you. And then the next two hours are Coy on LSD, which is a calmer but more colorful to experience. And I'll notice the beautiful walls and tapestries they've got. You will. You'll get a lot. You'll walk around inside of them. Very pretty set design here.

Gosh, damn it. John, we got to talk about it. We got to talk about the shows. Miss Marvel episode four. Guys, shut up so we can talk more. Red Dagger. Yeah, that was a good episode. I weirdly prefer this show.

I don't know if it's weird. I like, I like this show more weirdly when I forget that it's a Marvel show. Like when it's just focused on her family and her relationships and the culture, because I'm a pretentious snob. That's the only reason why I like that stuff. And that's nothing to do with, you know, me actually. I just want more bang, bang action and stuff. So I'm just saying shit to sound like I'm more sophisticated than I actually. Highfalutin.

But, no, I actually, I'm really into that stuff. And there's something that doesn't feel sometimes I think the. explanation. I feel like you probably generate a lot from those moments when they're like clandestines, bales and all that jazz. They're just like, yes, information absorption. How is this connecting to the thing that I think it might be in the mythology from the comic books? Okay. Yeah, see, after you like eat that up, and for me, those scenes are just not as compelling. Are you not as invested in the mythology in general on the show or just the expositions? Or like, do you prefer, like, does it feel exposition dumpy to you since you're not as?

invested uh i guess the show is not really investing me into the exposition okay of some of those scenes is this usually something in a marvel property that is less interesting i usually i can get i usually like the balance of both i usually enjoy i can get on board for i'm not someone who hears exposition and goes exposition screw that you know because there are people like that uh it's it all just depends to me on it i guess because i'm so into the other stuff yeah that um it's it's weird like i think i like the action and i don't mind the information i don't want it to sound like i don't i'm just not i just don't find that's i guess like this show has two things about it right it has you know kamala khan discovering the roots of her family the relationships there and you know her

place in this world as just like a Pakistani american girl you know that's what that's like the one show and then the other show is the bangle and and and Blindest Dines and all these things. And I actually like the former, the most. And the show definitely leads with that. You prefer the miss to the Marvel. Yeah, yeah. And I feel like the Marvel part will probably be most intriguing by the time you see

you're like crossing over. But don't have been wrong. I think the action is actually, weirdly, from the trailers and stuff, I thought the action might be the thing that is not that great about this series. But between the last episode and this episode, the action can genuinely surprise me a lot. of the time like i really more practical than i expected definitely i think that the chase scene um was pretty cool as a lot more stunt work than i was expecting and they they just utilize a lot more

that was like a fucking that was like 15 minutes or so it felt like 15 minutes the episode went by because that like that midpiece was so much longer than i realized because suddenly we were like oh we're in the third act of the show yeah i also felt like it was uh really well choreographed for how much was going on like i there was more color than normal because it wasn't just in new york and i could still tell what was going on at all times like it was really well framed and the action never got jumpy like i was with them yeah i completely agree and uh i mean don't wrong i like parts of the when the when the i guess when the acts when the baffir doing so much to justify my freaking opinion about something greg why do you not like

something gregg hates marvel especially a turn it's when it feels i like the mystery part of the uncovering what's going on the mystery that that mystery is hook always gets me like like at the end with the you know being put in the partition and that part is like oh that's really fascinating we haven't quite seen it done that way because we've seen a lot of things especially are just like they go into the past but it's just like a vision that i'm able to walk through but looks like she really somehow got on that train transplanted there which is so bizarre um but i i like the episode overall i'm not i mean i know you love ranking stuff i probably say this is like my third favorite uh i don't know i don't really care i liked it all right i don't care rake it

yeah it's good it's a good episode it's fine i think my one thing that i really respect about it for sure is that um i'll let you guys just talk away you know what i really respect about it for sure is you know like we were talking in between recording here especially is that you got a very specific kind of vibe when they're in new jersey and oh my god forgive me everyone what is this place called kamachi karachi karachi so sorry so sorry to all you guys who are offended by them but uh karachi not not for our actual uh indian viewers it's like noon or whatever there yeah so um we got a good amount of you guys and um yeah so i and i like the way how they really capture the vibe there like this show seems to be a with the direction seems to do such a good job at capturing the vibe of

whatever city it's inhabiting the environment is what i'm getting at And I really like how it felt like a different show, but the same show. And I really think that's cool how much you get a chance to live in the environments and really see the culture a lot more through that way in a way that doesn't seem like they go expositional about it. They just let you live there. And I think that's great. And I like how the tone does affect the series. So I quite enjoy.

John, what you think about Red Dagger? Uh, good, good intro Try to set you up I'm trying to send him up Yeah, I'm red daggers Man, I'm that's so I'm not, I was just It was the last thing I expected

That was like, oh I was like, I got to dig deep into my reserves I thought I was thinking of Had an opinion and then Corey sets up I'm like, let's give John something you're talking about It was cool to me, Reddagger I got confused at first

I was like, wait a minute, okay Is one of the clandestine attacking her? Okay, wait, no, okay, this is a different guy and yeah, I thought He was quite charming. We don't really get to spend much character time with him, but I... He's got long hair like you. I know.

I like him automatically. I mean, yeah, I liked him. I liked their friend, like, you know, the little group of friends that they wound up, you know, eating with after all the chaos was done. I liked the introduction of his fight style. And I liked, I cannot remember the name of the guy who's like the mentor who he's hanging out. Walid, I believe. Walid, there you go.

Was it Walid? Yeah, yeah, something like that. I think so. Yeah. And I like the interplay of the two of them, and I like seeing them in action. I mean, I'm looking forward to learning more about that character as a character character. And I mean, this one of all of them maybe had the most juggling to do in terms of like, you know, I could watch that scene of them like bonding around the fire for a little bit longer, something like that. But for him as a character other than just like, cool, you know, show me more.

But yeah, I like the Expander. is that a coy you could enlighten us on this is that a coy is that this episode is red dagger a singular character that they have now turned into a consortium

or like an organization or is it always an organization so I don't it's funny I was thinking that during the episode I don't remember being an organization I remember the character because I and it's in Jersey City

when if memory serves when you meet him he's in her city and I don't know that we meet others, but it's honestly the earlier arc of the comics that puts it like seven or eight years ago. But I really, really love that they were able to capture his physicality in the exact way I pictured it. Like some of the wall running and some of the use of the elongated scarf and all of those things feel just like the comic book. It's also, I showed Greg the frame from one of my favorite issues. I think it's issue eight or 28. I can't

remember the number before the gate. But it's one of the earlier... I don't even remember him doing But I showed you, but like they captured like the suit so well and like the the chemistry between the two of them and the fact that like his costume translates directly from page to screen is really rad because it feels like physically how I imagined him so I can kind of put myself back in reading the comic book to see which story elements they're going to take because I don't remember him in this environment. So I'm really curious how that translates to the Jersey City stuff that I do remember. His name is Walidin. it is well you're coming way late thanks for telling me i was right five minutes later what's that position called on podcasts oh you're an engineer here to clarify our guy in the chair

the engineer producer yeah the red dagger in the comics is just one guy i thought so yeah and uh cream is a jersey city if memory serves and they meet uh one of those like uh superhero mute cut so they fight a little first then they realize they're on the same side the the reveal like this It's adorable. There they go.

It's adorable. So who do you think she's going to end up going with in the show? Because she seemed quite into Kamran. Karim in this show. I mean, I feel like it's going to depend on what Kamran decides for his loyalty. Because we've seen, obviously, he's conflicted with, you know, his clandestine choices. But he clearly also wants to make sure his mom's happy. So is he a mama's boys?

He's going to go to the good side. That's pretty obvious. His mom's really bad. She's pretty bad. Although, he did seem like. He took so pretty broken out. He was like, Mommy. So, I could see the double-blind where they make him a villain,

like where he has to prove himself to the clandestine. I mean, it is conflicting for him. I hope they really play into the conflict for him. Yeah. Because in the last episode, I was something where it was like, Mom's Bad, stopping her. And then he hears him. He does have some sort of, you raised me.

Perhaps this is bad. You just rejected me. Now I feel bad. And I'm going to take this out on all women I date in the future. That's a kind of vibe. Well, I do think there is the chance to make him more villainous in this manner. And I think they'll go with the Red Dagger route,

but we'll see as far as love interests. Yeah, fair enough, fair enough. So what's everything that we learned in this episode, Coy, about the clandestines? Well, it's interesting. The veil word was dropped. The veil word, Greg was very confused by. What is a veil?

In the subtitles, it had to be capitalized. So I was like, what is the veil? It's like the veil that hides. Imagine like a shroud. or a curtain. You had it so serious. Oh, yeah. The thing that keeps it hidden.

It keeps it hidden. That's, uh, it's, uh, it's exactly what it's just. Oh, literally the word veil. Meprain between realms. You see in weddings, Greg, there's a thing you wear to keep your face hidden. Uh, and then sometimes the gin use it to keep their culture hidden. No, I, I love that we're getting more and more mythology in phase four. And we've had, uh, you know, in the field of reeds in moon night is very intriguing to see how, you know,

that is. element of other world and now we've got this other you know through the portal looking glass situation where we can apparently it's kind of like the the smelly fart theory like you know some some people can smell uh certain things and other creatures can't so like there might be creatures that live amongst us that we just don't have the the ability to witness and i like the idea of using that for the supernatural uh is this us how are we doing i'm trying to make sure Try to make sure of our reactions. We're prepping footage in between here.

Greg, ask me a question. I was given a decent answer with smelling farts, and you're over here. It's not my job to listen to you. John, interact with this guy while I... Hey, John. Yes, Coe, I smell the fart. I smelled it and you dealt it.

That's all I'm asking. But do you not think it's an interesting thing that perhaps aliens walk amongst us. We just don't have the means to witness them. Yeah, it reminds... That is an aspect, and I know Dr. Who came up a lot during Loki, but that was something that reminded me of Dr. I was like, oh, they're just like out of phase with our reality.

It's like layered on top of it, but the, yeah, the molecules are just differently displaced. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And even the ultimate plan of like, we want to tear the veil down and just, you know, noriform Earth is a very sort of. Nor money nor problems. Exactly. You know, I'm trying to come up with another nor pun right now. I'm pretty proud of that one.

I really like the dynamic with, I'm sorry, guys. There's a kind of multitasker. This is my favorite chaos. I really like the dynamic a lot with the mom and the grandma and then watching how she's sort of like because there was so much of resistance towards like superheroes because that that's something that I'm trying to pick up on the mom as if does she believe in any of this stuff right now like because from the flashback with Aisha it seemed like she believed in and some of this stuff that she was calling her the saying that her the grandma was like the crazy theories about things you know I just, I was going to give you a little head pat there through the veil. I was really proud of you. Do you get what I'm getting at because I'm saying we live in a world of crazy superheroes and shit so that she should be, she should believe in some of this like mystical stuff now, right?

I really also enjoyed the, yes, as well as the us wanting to know how much she's aware and like what that Aisha family history is. I also really liked the family dynamic of three generations of who sees the train, what that connection is to the other world, all those that the chaos. of Greg opening the laptop I got it's just sitting and giggling through the veil I got to do some shit

it's through the nor realms it's okay people on the podcast would know any of this stuff make sure they are yeah no you're good

he's figured he's sorted it through so good it's over there playing music videos this podcast has no idea what we're talking about it's always

this is how we should do every review just prepping the footage on camera everything so long let me grab my laptop so

edit the intro really quick let's get on track here it's too much well some of us went through the veil some of the state all right frankly look i'm asking this about the mom okay i'm going to ask us about the mom over time because i feel like my question was kind of rambly as i was multitasked perhaps um the mom it's just like the mom grandma grab my grandma mom mom is she a grandma or a mom who is the daughter who is uh she the way she was talking with her mom about saying like wild theories and stuff it seemed like she's rejecting this but We saw on the flashback when the mom, the mom was with Aisha in the flashback in episode three, right?

I think she's blocked it out. Personally, my theory is the mom is like, this never happened, I don't believe in it, I don't believe in magic, this is not something our family does. Because remember the bangle when it first appeared? She was like, nope, that's garbage. Like, she very willingly separated herself from it.

So I feel like she has like, you know, but she's got to believe in some type of level of magic. Now in the weird world that we live in of blips and all that shit. Oh, absolutely. But I imagine she doesn't think it's family. I don't think she accepts that it's happening to her. Like this generational inheritance. Yeah, that it's this specific power.

When she talks about the partition, she likes like, nope. Like, she just is kind of compartmentalizing everything. Right, right. Yeah, that's true. But either way, I think the mama is, like, the grandma performer. Freaking amazing. Oh, the acting in this is so good. And like, every, we met Waleed.

And then within two minutes, I was like, no. Like, I was so invested and I was worried for him. Also, like, new dude, like, you know, we met Cameron. and automatically charming. Having a Love Triangle work cross-world is interesting. Like the fact that we're wondering how that's going to go, the fact that we're still worried about him and still invested. Well, Kareem's definitely going to go to New Jersey.

I hope so. It's kind of weird. Kind of weird. It's going to be great. Maybe it'll just be a show where Kamala Khan just travels back and forth. Just hitting on dues. That would be cool. I mean, I love that they...

Her mom just lets her go back and forth. I think that would actually be cool. However, I think it's, I like the way they used the pilgrimage motif idea as a part of this. Like, I expected them to go back, you know, and to visit the roots. But there's, I don't know, like, I think a nice parallel between, like, the actual pilgrimage one might take and the coming of age that this represents for Kamala. And, too, I mean, it makes me, I love where they ended off. And that's part of what I've been hoping for is like a real jump back into the real past, do a peer. period piece moment, do something with, yeah, a lot of extras, a lot of real production about you, do some real history.

And I think if they settle there, like I feel like the next episode has to take place in the train station during the partition, at least for part of it. And I feel like that is an element that could elevate the magical newer world building because I think that's what's missing from that is just because this episode's moving really fast and it's juggling on the things. that is the part that feels the most perfunctory about this episode because it's another magic land, another magic group of people in the Marvel universe full of magic lands and groups of people. And I feel like if you really fuse that into the history and keep going down that rabbit hole of this

comes from a cultural element, even if it shares similarity to magic across the user. I feel like that's what can make that feel truly vital. Because right now it's like it's cool, and they got their cool sanctum where they train and stuff, but it doesn't really feel as connected as you do when you're transported

to that train station immediately. Yeah, it doesn't feel as lived in. I think that's what I meant earlier to bring it back to my justification of why I was having issues with some of the way the ex was, because I feel like it's just more information being thrown at me

and not seeing enough of really imbewing it into it. Shown and not said. You want to see it shown. And I think that's what episode five is going to do. Show it instead of saying. We'll see about that.

Well, and can I ask then? because a lot of comic book fans and people in the comments have grappled with the change in power or how the power exists and where it comes from and why. And I feel like the strongest element through my eyes has been

when they really go through it's something to do with your lineage and your culture. I like that change. How do you feel about that? So the in humans are very much part of their culture. It's a rich history and all those things that make her tied to that.

And I also think that her specific power set is tied to puberty and body dysmorphia and going through change and all those things. So when she stretches everything and feels embigined but like ugly and wrong, like there are elements that have her been like, what is this? And then she embraces that. That doesn't really get to be an option with these powers, but they do get to now play with the lineage because the nor. So I'm really curious how that all ties together because now you can play with how it's ancestral, how it is tied to your history and like all those things. I don't know if they're going to bring Now that we're this deep I don't think in humans or terrigan mystery that's coming to play

But I do think we might meet Some family or someone in this past That might make it feel more fleshed out And more like it's a lineage thing Yeah well I feel like with this show that It's really more focused on the emotional stuff And more of the like I think that they're exploring in a way of like some generational trauma

Well the comic's so family based I've often said that that she to me is this generation's Silver Age Spider-Man. And Silver Age Spider-Man was always so invested in his friends, whether it was like Harry and Mary Jane and Gwen, like at school, or in college in that case, or if it was like the Uncle Ben-a relationship where, like, he was hiding stuff,

but also protecting his little corner of New York. And all those elements feel like Miss Marvel's the modernized version of that. So I think they're doing a really good job, modernizing it even further by having the medium of TV get you invested in the family as much or more than the comic book. Like, I love her family. Like, the cons are fascinating. Like, when the grandma's on screen with the mom, I'm not looking for Kamala.

I'm, like, invested in their relationship. And I think that's the strength of television versus comic books is they have different things that they do better. I don't know that I'd be as invested in, like, a grandma and mom team-up comic. Whereas on this episode, I was like, this is dope. Yeah. How are you feeling about the villains, the clandestines? They're not the villains of the comic book. And that's not a problem.

But the clandestines are a very obscure, like, mini-series. So I'm really curious, like, what elements tie into the little I know about the clandestine that work for Miss Marvel? Because it's kind of left field as far as comic fans. I mean, in this episode, because I remember the last episode feeling like that Aisha woman is kind of scary. But then this time, I was like, you guys are kind of funny. I'm really curious if they get scary. Like, if they do anything ominous in the next episode or if we see any history of them where they do something truly awful that, like, makes them scary. Like, it really felt like main mentor guy for Kareem was going to die.

But other than that, I was like, I don't know. It's not intimidating anymore. Yeah, well, it's always hard when you have like multiple action set pieces or you're chasing someone. Like you lose intimidation. You're like, still going to get you. But at the end of the day, like, tag isn't scary? So, like, you know, even though people got stabbed, it's like, got to get you the whole episode. Yeah, it's true.

When you know your protagonist, you're going to be fun. Yeah. She's got to be a young Avenger. Well, and two, you had the compounding tension of like, oh my god there's a big important life event that this is intervening on in the previous episode whereas here it's more like cool new setting personal reason for being there

but it's the street chase and that's what was hard about Hawkeye too was like a lot of times it was chasing and like I enjoyed that bridge scene in the car and everything else on Hawkeye but that was like the first time I was like okay we're not on foot with this mob and it's nice to mix it up but like when a show has

plot plot plot plot same action it's hard to not feel like well let's get back to the Yeah, but the emotion. Which might be the thing you were talking about as well. But the emotionality. Yeah, that thing that I've been justifying. This guy's justifying. That action, plot, mysticism, nor fails.

The emotionality of just pretty much the character explorate. Like, I just think it's so cool that this show is actually not shying away from that. Like, the grandma talking about, what is, like, to have this, like, senior lady to, like, lamenting of Pakistani, Indian. Yeah, the lost daughter. Like basically you thought you don't want to be around me like I thought I'd lost you as a daughter like that was a cool beat It was very it was great and the idea that she's still trying to figure out who she is Yeah, that's what I mean is like having this identity crisis over something that wasn't her fault Yeah, at all. It's just kind of the world she's been born into and then seeing how even

Kamala in the States also has like issues with this as well feeling like an outsider amongst her family inside of her countries you know her actual families home I really enjoyed that identity moment and how it felt like it mirrored a secret identity. I really enjoyed her talking about her identity and having dual identities. And like it's a show about a comic book. Like these are Kamala economists, Marvel are dual identities. And like that spelled out that way. It was really beautiful because the MCU doesn't have a lot of secret identities.

Like most everyone knows who everyone is like capturing around like I'm Steve Rogers. So it's cool to have, you know, I've been saying from the jump, I think this is going to lead to Kamala's law. I think this is going to lead to the Young Avengers. Now we're talking about secret identities, but it not being in the superhero sense, but in like how you see yourself. And that's interesting. I do think she's becoming an obnoxiously good fighter a little too quick. Hey, Ray knew the force.

Hey, very quickly. You make a good point. That's the best one to them all. Best Star Wars. There it is. Rise of Skywalker. So yeah. All right, guys.

Well, overall, enjoy. Overall, great, like, show, man. I'm vibed with this one. I really think it, the setting being a character is rad, because that's a huge. huge part of the comic. I love that Jersey City is such an important character in the book, and they've done Jersey City and Pakistan Justice, I think. Yeah, and I think

if I'm going to rank the guys, I still put Bruno at the top. I mean, come on, guy in the chair. Brian. Good old Brian. And then Cameron at a second. Oh, over my boy? We just met him. We just met him. We just met him. I don't know. It looks great with his hair down, though. It seemed the most generic of the writing of them so far,

but he looked the coolest of the three. Yeah, great sword work, knife work. For sure, for sure. All right, guys, we are done with this video. We need more Mace in the next episode. Thank you guys for being here. We are ready to say goodbye. Do we have a patron shoutouts?

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