The Reel Rejects - REJECT RECAP: MS. MARVEL Episode 5 "Time and Again" Review!!

Episode Date: July 6, 2022

WHAT A TOUCHING EPISODE! The Penultimate Episode of Ms. Marvel Season 1 takes us back to the time of The Partition, giving us a sobering glimpse into the real history alongside the fantasy. We break down the episode, our favorite moments, and speculate as to where the season finale could go... join us!! REACTION HIGHLIGHTS on YouTube & FULL LENGTH (Sync-Up) WATCH ALONGS at Patreon.com/TheReelRejects!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

everyone my name's greg i'm john batman batman here with us today to watch miss marvel we have not watched the episode yet for episode five we are going to do a reaction for it and then you can catch that reaction over at youtube.com slash the real rejects what you're going to get after this intro is our review for miss marvel episode five so thank you listeners interesting array of shots there that episode was fast was it well like it was very front-loaded

like the drama was two-thirds it just that felt like 20 minutes and the last act was like it just felt like yeah I thought it would be a half and halfer yeah you guys are negative sorry man

fast as a positive means I've invested don't try to spin your criticisms that went by quickly and I enjoyed it why you so negative Greg Alba of the internet you see all those young Avengers and Secret Wars connections?

Crazy. They're just building so much. Why doesn't Kamala just come right out and say, like, that was me, mom? Not meant to be. It's got to be a mystery. I would do it.

What if she tells... You made me feel like, shit for so long, Mom. And you wouldn't be here. It's not how it won't heal. It's got to be mysterious. Yeah, she's probably still processing. You sons of bitches.

Georgia. All right, guys. you want to tell me where you took those Corey just said I thought we were going to talk so let me take off my talking apparatus

see if you can read my lips for this review thought we were going to talk that we'd catch up we'll talk and leave like whatever the mic picks up from the floor so confident

yeah Why aren't you guys throwing the headphones down on the floor? Do we need microphones to speak? Guys, one in the morning. Here we are. It's 12.40. Yeah, Coy. Shut your mooth.

Dane Cook. Shoes. Got to have coops. Get in the BK lounge. Bleeding from the ears. I was washing a dish. I was washing a dish. That's not what he told me.

Came outside. Trunks, babe. Seat. McCall Let's talk about this How many Dane Cookbitt can we fit in? All righty Well, that was a very touching episode

So much warm hearts So much touchingness Let me have a gesture, micro, there you go There we go There we go More toucher It's so good I could hear

You're too much background But yeah Yeah, I quite enjoyed that one I loved I actually loved the first half way more than the last I mean I like the reveal of seeing Kamala was the one who actually saved the great grandma I thought that was really cool she followed the stars grandma followed the stars like she always remembered but the stars but isn't it a bit of a time paradox it also completely undermines everything end game time travel establishment time travel variances and it undermines a lot of the TVA probability because the TVA is all about splitting timelines and having the true timeline exists implies that there can be no pruning in this version of time travel it's very come like it doesn't work just two minutes ago this guy was saying he wasn't negative maybe it's an isolated loop maybe maybe there's a nexus event

maybe kamala's a nexus level being but what would someone thing would have to have happened for the great grandma to have first got in a way to have the grandma that had the mom that had kamala for kamala to go back there so i'm like what originally saved her in the first place guys which you seek seeks you gregg whatever that which you seek seeks you she set out to be like someone will save her I don't get how Kyle Reese is the father of John Connor

it's very much that it's very confusing but ignoring all time travel questions aside that was very beautiful and I felt like did you guys see that coming I didn't see it coming did you see a come? The grandma thing

yeah I said it on the last episode you think I pay attention to what you're saying no I'm literally focused right now on this file x4 he's going to get up he's going to get up and he's going to edit again and we're going to have to talk about his chair like he's not even here right now i'm doing it like he is a tier i'm looking forward to

comron and bruno bonding however i suspect that bruno will get arrested again by the do dc i like that i didn't pick up that those the drones that are from mysterio yeah you moron yeah

look at this fricking amateurs you're a idiot coy right there in front of me you suck I pieced together the time travel, but not the visual cue. You do know that people are going to comment. I can't believe you didn't pick up on the Mysterio drones. I said it out loud. You mentioned it five minutes after they appeared in the reaction.

Yep. Because they already clicked off and said, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. He's not a comic book expert. Do you guys think that was Terragenesis? See, there it is. I mean, it's how I solved that problem. It definitely. Definitely looks like other MCU.

I'll say adjacent representations of how Terragenesis works. Because if you're a regular human, you walk into that Terragenesis mist coming out of that weird portal. Oh, yeah, the original thing that gave Kamala powers. Yeah, I'm wondering if there isn't an inhuman name drop in the next episode.

There could be. I'm quite curious. I mean, it would seem, the trouble for me with that is that it would seem as though, uh, I don't know, like they're all using powers of Nure anyway.

So, uh, Part of me wonders if that could in any way possibly be some kind of terogenesis. I guess to be, if it's terogenesis, it would have to be a wholly new phenomenon. And so whatever the veil is and whatever it does, then can't be whatever gave them the power or is the key to the power in the first place. Maybe it's keeping the terogenesis in. Maybe they developed something to protect it or like to contain it.

What part are you talking about? Uh, the sequence right as, um, the, the great grandma, no, as the gram, uh, as, as, as, as Comron's mom goes through when she gets, like, bricked and, like, turns into a skull. Yeah, yeah. That looks a lot like, the representation of when a regular human gets terror genesis and, like, dies. I think you're being too hopeful. It could be. I don't think that's, it's going to happen here.

You know what? I can dream. I'd be very surprised because that opens up a whole new door. And I think they're, they got to keep some of this focused. So that way. you know, Miss Marvel can come in in the post-credit scene or something like that. Actually, I'm going to throw that down right now. I'd imagine that Captain Marvel, no, Captain Marvel.

I'd imagine that Captain Marvel is going to come in the... You go in Photon or O.G? O.G. Everyone loves Brie Larsen, man. Brie Larson's going to show up. All right. And 50% of the Internet's going to yell at their screen. Yeah.

Scream, White America! I could be one of your kids. Little Erica looks just like this. Yeah, I think that's going to happen. Marshall Mathers cameo. He does love Marvel. He does love. References a lot of comics.

Marvel Mathers, man. Oh, Marvel Mathers. That's the superhero we need. Well, I think, I mean, as we were talking about during the reaction, what I imagine is that it's not, as they show with the great grandma, that the bangle is merely some type of a, I like it's a sort of like Milner, and with Thor in a way, how Thor was like, oh, my. My power comes from the Milnor, but then at the end, he realizes that's not the real source of his power.

Which is why I'm wondering about the Inhumans thing, because she does seem to have magic. Jesus Christ, let it go. I want it. No, yeah. Comic Canon. I want it. It's not going to have it going. You're not alone.

You're not alone. You're too excited, man. Give up these dreams of Terragenesis. That is what I imagine. But I really respect this show for, like, I love that at the very beginning of this, they went all out with... 25 minutes of just bold, dramatic storytelling. Like, beautiful. But even with like the history, that look like real archive footage of, I'm sure some of it was, the war and such.

And it has to be mixed in with it. And I really appreciate that they did that because I'm like, I'm learning so much right now. Yeah, I didn't know most of that. And, you know, that's part of our public school system here, but also, you know, some things are, we're not as exposed to in pop culture. So it was really beautiful for something with as big of a platform as Marvel to be like, let's educate you for three minutes and then tie it integrally into this specific bottle. episode like usually bottle episodes are like a slang like a negative slang like this was bottled in that it was contained but it was one of the most informative episodes of tv for this time and event well yeah and they also kept what i really respect about what they did with

this episode in particular is i mean i i was pretty attached to the great grandparents pretty fast you go pop that in john i was pretty attached to the great grandparents pretty fast like super early on wouldn't you agree john john's terror genesis oh my god I'm on this side of the pit now. See? Now I'm on this side. He's not really here, but we're talking like he's here. Yeah, John's figuring it out.

John, how are your powers activated? Was it the Mists? Yeah, you can say that. Yeah, I could say that. Greg wouldn't believe me, though. This is so hilarious. You see the joke? Especially for the podcast.

This is what they need. They enjoy a good visual, visual joke. This is hilarious. I'm yes and in Koi. Here we are. Oh, man. So I think. I'm learning improv here.

This is the moment. It's happening in life. It's happening on right now. give us a location Starbucks Give us an unlikely scenario You burnt the cookie dough Oh no

I burnt the cookie dough at the Starbucks TES and it so fast He put that together with the speed efficiency of a season veteran Next stop laugh factory He's coming up next Anyway Yeah this was

But yeah but they They got me really connected to those characters Like very Very fast surprisingly that I stopped thinking about Kamala Khan at very early on and I was so invested in this and for this show that is constantly talking about, you know, inheritance and generations and lineage and all these things. It was nice to actually go way back and not to see like a five-minute flashback, but truly spend time with the upheaval battles and the struggles that they've had to go through that were this all really stems from. This journey really began of fighting against

what's her name? Horacing. What's the lady's name? The bad clandestine lady. Camran's mom. It's like Neshma or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.

Normally we count on you, John. Yeah. I got to let us down. Oh, yeah. He's going to bamf again. Oh, my God. Oh, we're in because of the name of the... He's a...

John's invisible John... Give us a location. Give us an unlikely scenario. Disneyland. Oh. That's unique. you never hear that never hear that one

a speed bump pops a tire oh Mickey is that your Mickey I like that you made a voice and they made eye contact with me and you were like no

can't do that John's got a good Mickey who just came back to us that's solid there he is that's why John's here pop in once in a while get the good speed bump humor

anyway John tell us why you cried again Najma oh yeah I mean I appreciated I don't know anytime that there's just a din of chaos and everyone is very desperate and people get separated.

Like, I don't know, that's just a movie motif that really works when they can, you know, draw it. It's in the filmmaking. It's in the context. It's all that stuff. And yeah, I thought that the sort of, I found a beauty in as much as we are sitting here going, how did the mechanics work? I found a beauty in that sort of loop around and the fact that, yeah, like, there's all this sci-fi stuff happening.

but at the same time, you're also dealing with something very primal, just people trying to get safe transport out of a bad situation. And, yeah, like, there's just so much emotion there to me. And so, yeah, like, this, I remember saying the last episode, like, oh, man, it ends on this note where you're transported back, and I hope that they'll spend, you know, a good amount of time. And they did kind of what I was hoping they would do in this episode, you know, present day, you know, Coda aside.

Yeah, I just thought it was Like as much as there is world building And there is plot building and stuff in all of that flashback As much as, you know, there are way more educational things you could watch I thought they struck a good balance Between the harsh reality of the situation This little intimate story between these two people And then the sort of surrounding chaos and circumstance

And yeah, there was something cathartic When Kamala finally meets back up with that And she has to, I think too, like right? now in this moment of superhero anything I think whenever anybody whenever they depict the helping or saving of someone innocent and helpless

that also really strikes me because there are concessions made to that there's a fun like oh I caught some people and I saved them and I run it off again and it's like a really quick thing whereas this was like living in that moment of just you know save this one little girl and yeah it was very I like that all the emotional

build up was also story buildup so the stars and the the inscription on the like all of it tied into that one moment and it was while our emotions were peak like all of the story landed right as where as emotionally invested as we can possibly be because I was so immediately invested in the other family too and I didn't expect to be uh like when we met them I was like okay and then within you know five minutes so by the time we got to that point I cared so much about that little girl I cared so much about all these things but then the plot came back in because they'd laid that groundwork and then Kamala was able to move the

plot forward and then like just some of the framing choices like when she's with her her mom and grandma and they're the frame in front of all the picture frames and you see family and then you see generations of family. So you've got three generations of family and then other generations of family as you pull back. Like little details like that really just enhanced the already very family heavy story. And I've been thinking about it in the last five minutes. Maybe the timeline didn't have to get pruned because it was always destined that she would loop back on the timeline. So theoretically it wouldn't be a prune timeline because it never created an alternate. So theoretically that could loop. And that would be a way that it wouldn't sacrifice endgame's continuity, wouldn't alert the TVA and wouldn't cause any continuity issues, because it's always meant to be a loop. Quooso, self-absorbed you guys can't see, but he's looking at himself this whole time. I was seeing if my loop.

So we have a little monitor here on the front of us, and he's just so beautiful. This whole time he's been looking at himself while he's talking in. How am I looking on camera right now? How am I looking on camera? Yeah, no, I think it's great. And especially with everything you guys are talking about, I think what's beautiful about it is that throughout the generations

what's kept them preserved is love. Yeah. Fighting for love the entire time. I think that's a wonderful, like, family message to bring along. And because as much as this, like, explores, you know, some generational trauma, there's always been love throughout it that has kept them all bonded and it's kept them literally alive throughout all this. And her family being about, like, always seeking to stay together,

always staying together no matter what. And then Comeron's mom, like, abandoning him and then possessing him or whatever. that just happened. Like, that is an interesting dichotomy as well for the, for the potential of those two characters. And even for Kamala Khan, who started off in this season of her show of being like kind of, uh,

you know, ambivalent with her family and kind of, kind of want to go her own path and do her own thing. And now she's finding her true strength by embracing her family history. Embracing her family. I think that's actually quite beautiful. So, yeah. And comron I mean, all right,

prediction time. It's going to go down. Okay. Camere. That's the name? Who's a guy? The Red Dagger guy. Camer? Karim. Perim.

I was remembering the spelling. He's mixed like a letter. It's almost a name we've heard. Karim? Karim? Yeah. I think Karim's going to go back with them to the United States. Oh, you don't think that was his last appearance.

I don't think it's his last appearance. I think he's going to go back with him to U.S. And I'm bang, dang it out. So it's some clandestine action. What's going on with the Kamron? Comeron. I'm out. Okay.

So, is the spoilers? I don't really. give a shit for me personally, but do you, yeah, like, is it... Light spoilers in the comic books, he has some powers. They may not look exactly like the ones they've depicted on the screen now. Are they like Miss Marvels? They seem very similar. Well, what's funny is, her powers are like his.

Like, in the comics, her powers are different. So, yes. Ah, yeah, but in the show's presentation, oh, that's fascinating. So it is... It's like the loop with the TVA and the prunes and everything you said earlier. It's all happening. Thanks, Greg. I agree.

Validation. But I do think they've kind of nailed that look without it looking like Iceman because sometimes in the comic books you can easily look like a Frostboy. So I think they nailed that. I am curious about that last shot, that strange edit of like,

Circle Q's exploding and then we, you know, we exited out. I get you need to leave out on a cliffhanger. Like you need to leave there. But it certainly was a bold coda to be like, you got two minutes. Do all of this storytelling. Because the episode was shorter.

So it was just interesting that we didn't get, like, you know, more of a 10-minute, 30-minute, like 30 minutes in the past and then 10 minutes to, like, get us cozy again. But that jarringness may work for the pace. Maybe the next episode's got a lot more going on, and it's a faster tone. So beyond all that fun stuff we talked about. Brie Larson shows up. Breelarsen shows up.

The X-Men show up. John Krasinski is Reed Richards. Yeah. The real question is, which one of the three boys is Kamala going to choose? John, you go first. That's what's important. It's going to be Reddagger. Oh, Coy?

None of them. Because she is going to be teaming up with strong independent women and she don't need a man. I agree. What a load-up. Cruck of a shit. All three. They're all hanging up the side of their best friends ride, trying to holler at her. This is the show that's going to pioneer polyamorous relationships.

Yes. Miss Marvel. Going to duke it out with all them, guys. Duke it out. It's a PG-so-good, sir. No, I think, I think Bruno. He could do some cool stuff with those powers. I think, I think it would lie.

Actually, I think her going with Bruno and the daggers. Lines up so much. And Bruno's tagging. I'm going to get this point through. You watch. Lines up so much with her character arc so far of realizing that everything she's ever loved and everything she's ever needed is right here with her already. And having with the love of her family has been in front of her the whole time that gives her the most strength and the power with. within, and Bruno's the one who's always been there, not these other two dewebes.

Handsome fellas. Handsome to action heroes. No, not you talented, skilled, athletic men is Bruno. So, Bruno. Choose Ducky. This is not a, okay, mild spoiler, if you don't want to know anything, but mild spoilers, skip ahead 20 seconds. In the comic books, gets in an accident and loses an arm.

I'm wondering if he loses an arm in this explosion and has to design, like, a tech arm. The Star Wars thing, that's the Marvel does. Because Marvel loves the arm loss. But in the comic books, he gets a Wakandan arm. So it'd be kind of cool to see Ironheart, which is an upcoming show, Riggery Williams, Wakanda, and that stuff. That is how Bruno knows that world. If he loses his arm in this, and then we later see Riggery introduced because she's got a show. Maybe that's how we meet her.

And then Winter Soldier trains Bruno. Riray, by the way, is not a Wakandan, but she uses Wakandin tech later on the issues. Rie Williams is an MIT kid that Tony Stark mentors and then becomes the voice of in her own helmet. And it's kind of like this father-daughter relationship. He's dead. He thought you were racist. I hope not. No one was going there.

I was thinking, oh, he's thinking, just because re-reexisted. That means that that is a Wakandan girl. Everyone's from Wakanda. No one was thinking you were thinking that. Oh,

black people are from Wakanda. Well, now they did. This is what I'm clarifying. Oh, thanks. To help you out. To protect you. That's good. Because I certainly wasn't thinking.

Because otherwise, that'd be problematic. Guys, Pakistan is in South Asia. Everyone needs to know that. I mean, according to the commentary. But I, I think we all learn more about that world in the opening of this, and then we got to invest with brand new characters.

I think that, like, of the Marvel shows, this 20-minute chunk was maybe the most had been invested in individual characters that were new. Like, obviously, Loki, I care about Loki and all those things, and I love what they do with Mobius, but, like, as far as just a little 20-minute, like, family, that was so in. Yeah, it was beautiful. It helps that they're very attractive actors. I mean, that's cinema.

That is cinema and stage In many ways All right guys Well we're done with talking about Miss Marvel permanently Let's see which predictions come true Does she end up with the Red Dagger Boy Does she end up with Comron Does she end up with Bruno

Nokia All the single ladies That's what we're all wondering For all our minds and hearts are at So good Is she inhuman Like over under And then Captain Marvel shows up

For no logical reason. I think she's an inhuman. I think they say it. Fine. Last episode. Yes, Greg agrees with me. I heard it here first, folks. John, I'm for it.

I would like an inhumans call out, please. What if you just see, like, the mist, and then it ends, and you got to deal with inhumans in the Captain Marvel movie, you got the budget. You got black bolt here, so when humans exist. That's what I'm saying, at least in a timeline in universe 838. But if this is a loop, and this is theoretically the sacred timeline to the TV. come and deal with all those shanigans. Coy gets paid by the minute. Maybe the nor realm.

Maybe the nor realm. Terraceing crystals here. I keep saying it. Nor money, nor problems. All right, Coie, before you go, we should end this with a patron. Coy, you ever been to Atlanta? I have. It's where the players play and the party don't stop like every day.

Okay. Well. Hotlanta GA? Hotlanta GA? Our buddy, Eric Horstman. A man who has been having some health struggles as a of late. I've made it a goal to go to Atlanta this year.

Oh. To go visit. My family recently moved to Atlanta. You can stay with my family. They want to meet you. You're a hot mom. Hot mom, they're going to stay in the other room. Nice. You call her hot mom. You said it. God, that's the second. Hey, hot mom. It's hot sun, coy.

That's why I look at myself. I hope you're having a hot day. But Eric, she's in Atlanta. That's very hot. It's probably. Eric has been one of A, first and foremost, Eric, this is most important to acknowledge. One of our highest pledges for years now. That's where the value of our friendship.

Literally monitor. You can look at it. That's how we establish the rapport here is based off of that. Yeah. Excellent. Also by the word. Excellent work, my friend. Secondly, he's the only one in this entire world who has a real rejects tattoo.

Oh, that's incredible. It's a big tattoo. And here's the kicker. We changed the logo since he got the tattoo. So it's classic. and only a crew value. That's a one of one. So he's the only one with the logo right now.

I've also never heard his last name. That's a cool last name, Horstman. Yeah, I know. He's on horse before everything got censored on YouTube and you say one word of the like, demonetized. So, yeah, and he's also just the sweetest guy. Every once in a while, I hit him up. It was very rare, but once in a while I'll just hit him up on the phone.

There's a, there's an in-and-out-esque restaurant called Varsity, and they do chili on their hot dogs and burgers, and it's kind of like the Atlanta version. It's like, you know, people come to L.A., they're like, got to go down out. Varsity is the Atlanta version. Delicious. We'll all go.

Okay, I'm trying to make this shout out about Eric Horsman. He's coming. And you're making this about Atlanta. But Eric's coming. Because we're going to go to Atlanta. You know what? My favorite Donald Glover series. It's a great show called.

You know, well, ludicrous also from Atlanta. Oh, wow. Guys, they shoot most things in Atlanta. Eric is also from Atlanta. This episode was shot in it in Georgia. So, Tyler Perry Studios are in Atlanta. Eric Horstman was a PA on this Marvel. Could have been with his tattoo.

Eric, he works at a hotel. I won't say which one, not get him in trouble. That's fair. But he might be able to help us out with a discount. That's the idea. Yes. In Atlanta. I was going with that.

I see. I see. Hey, Eric, we're going to Florida. Can you hook us up a hotel? Probably could with his job, actually, at that hotel. But Eric, thank you for being loyal to us for so long. And I just want to say, too, that if anything terrible were to ever happen, if you were to pass on in some way, can you make sure your credit card stays on file? And so that way the pledge just keeps going through every month.

I hope in your will that that's what you have there is that all my money goes to the real rejects patron. And whoever is in charge of your state, like when the card expires, You got to renew it. That's, yes. It's got to be part of it. I mean, it's, right? I think long term. Long, you got, it's, isn't just a couple years.

Just put all your assets into one account and then let that, you know, don't need the same income. And then if we shut down the Patreon, you just get the money wired directly to my credit union. And it's got to be in pieces. Like, when you win the lottery, you get the choice of like, do you want it at once, you want it over time? Gotta be over the time because Greg old, frankly, put it up his nose. I'll blow it all by sniffing it all. Yeah. It's worth going.

Blow it on on blow So yeah Anyway Eric would appreciate that dark tons of humor Don't don't comment Blow Sensitive wait or is everyone gonna see this Thought it was just for him Everyone

Yeah this is the part video People skip to these in the video Just to see that Yeah I just didn't think you did the whole thing I've seen the patron shoutouts I just didn't realize you unedited Just just will this is going to be unedited Oh okay this is just how I'm not editing this five minutes

Shoutout where four and a half minutes is about Atlanta It's great seeing delicious delicious farceiver we're done love you bye eric great last name tattoo and all