The Reel Rejects - REJECT RECAP: Obi Wan Kenobi PART III Breakdown & Review!

Episode Date: June 1, 2022

DARTH VADER VS OBI-WAN! We're joined once again by our good friend & Star Wars expert, Ace Cabrera to discuss Obi-Wan Kenobi Part III Reaction as we recap & review the episode featuring Hayden Christe...nsen Anakin Skywalker, Leia Organa, James Earl Jones, Ewan McGregor, Reva Moses Ingram, The Inquisitors, easter eggs, hidden details, & more! REACTION HIGHLIGHTS on YouTube & FULL LENGTH (Sync-Up) WATCH ALONGS at Patreon.com/TheReelRejects!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello there, and welcome one and all to our star. I promise not to do that every time, but welcome to our Obi-1 part of three reaction review, breakdown, recap, et cetera. We are joined once again this week by our good friend Ace Cabrera, squad leader Ace, wherever, you know, social medias are sold. Very knowledgeable in terms of the galaxy far, far away, Schmodeon champ in the Inner Geekdom, Star Wars Division. Great guy all around. Just did Star Wars Celebration, hosted his own panel. packed the room, uh, love having him around. So yeah, if you go on, uh, if you're on the social media's go find him, send him some love. But, uh, this episode, man, this was quite striking. This was definitely, I think, each of our favorites thus far. And, uh, you know, excited to see where the, the, the series goes from here. It's funny, we're halfway through, you know, even though it just started last week, you know, them dropping two episodes and then moving up to Wednesdays in the schedule, you know, it feels like, wow, we're already waist deep in this thing. But anyhow, I'll stop babbling and we'll get to our thoughts.
Starting point is 00:01:05 Appreciate you joining us. If you want to check out the full-length watch-alongs, sync up with your own copy. Come on over to patreon.com slash the Rio Rejects. So you can join us there for Obi-1, as well as Stranger Things 4 and a bunch, a bunch of other shows, both with reaction highlights on YouTube, as well as exclusive reaction highlights and watch-alongs for Patreon. and then also if you want to check out the reaction highlights with footage included and all that good stuff come on over to youtube.com slash the real rejects anyway i have spoken enough and i'll speak again but let's hop into that review roll the intro Damn
Starting point is 00:01:43 Oh Damn That was so much Yeah, damn That was a great one That was a great episode It only took four people to write that one That was great
Starting point is 00:02:01 That was a really great episode, yeah Yeah, best one so far Yeah This was the show I've been watching Yeah I know you love everything and anything This is the episode. I was like, yeah, this is the shot of the wanting, right here. I still love the first one, but this is another great one.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Yeah, it's not another level of me. That's compared to the other two. Oh, wait, Vivian, let it up there. Moses Singrup. Sun Kane constantly saying his lines differently every time. Oh, snap. She's Ryan Killsett. Zach Braff.
Starting point is 00:02:43 Zah ha ha ha ha ha Is that who that was? Yeah, I can hear it now. Yeah, James Earl Jones. That's great, James Oro Jones. And Hayden Christensen, maybe in the suit. Hey, Pedro Pascal's barely on that set. It's more FaceTime in this season.
Starting point is 00:03:03 Director of Photography, that's the Korean guy. I forgot what movie. I forgot what movie he did. But that's why it looks so cool. Because he was the one they hired years ago. Man, I'm gonna look him up right now if that's okay with you guys. Whoa. It's not like we're gonna jump cut here.
Starting point is 00:03:24 All research must be within your brain. All right. No, that's not him. We'll come back with that information in five, four, three, three definitely not five four three what all right gang dudes my dudes
Starting point is 00:03:45 that was a really satisfying episode this is the exact show I want it to be I'm covering cat here right now I just had a cat on me a moment ago but I thought this was really gripping this was exceptionally gripping watching Vader at this more brutal standpoint
Starting point is 00:04:01 is something that I wanted I just wanted them to go even harder that's what I found myself like a hard shirt dragged him through blow their heads up Look at do something gnarly. Pop their heads with the boys. Yeah, make it like the boys. Make it like the boys.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Just go bananas, man. I want to see like that version of Vader. And I love this, you know, we've seen aggressive vat. In terms of live action, we've seen like aggressive Vader, mournful Vader about this is like rageful vater. I really like it a lot. Kind of like Rogue One, right? It felt like the Rogue One. A little bit.
Starting point is 00:04:37 Well, they had the rogue one fight, but more than just a fight, like when he's talking to Riba or just going through the town and torturing innocent people just to like, want that, I want that Obi-Wan that rise out of him. Give me Obi-1, you know. Come on out. Like the crooked, the crooked bad boy coming through town. The neck snap, the forced neck snap, was cool. It was so cool. It's like some stranger thing shit right there. Yeah, that's what I mean.
Starting point is 00:05:04 I want to see more of that I really enjoyed. really enjoyed and i think you know you and mcgregor just keeps killing it but really quick while we're on vader what i loved about the vader performance is like yeah getting james earls's jones jones jones jones's jones's jones's voice back um it's like getting that performance uh but you can still feel i don't know if it's hating christians and always underneath it but you can still feel that version of anakin skywalker like when you watch you know the original trilogy you don't really get a sense of, you know, of a Hayden Christensen underneath the suit, or a hating Christensen type even. Yet here you can feel that, and it elevates it that much more. And I love
Starting point is 00:05:49 the way they capture him here, because this is the first time you see Vader caught in this kind of camera movement. Like a lot of this just feels like raw, you know, a lot of those handheld, simple landscapes at times. It feels like when you watch those fan films that, and this is, I mean, this complimentary wise depending on the tone or slang and how you say it when you say fan film that can sound like an insult I mean a complimentary wise
Starting point is 00:06:12 of when you watch those great fan films those gripping ones and you're like damn this would be a cool thing why doesn't Disney do shit like this and then this is the stuff where I'm like dad that's what I want to see more of that you know like when he's torturing Obi-1 in the fire like he just
Starting point is 00:06:26 it's been 10 years he's just like I hate my life I need to punish this guy for what he's done to me it's awesome stuff ace what happened one second last time. Ace, you go second. This is a go, Ace.
Starting point is 00:06:38 Oh, I go first. Okay. Yeah, Vader was incredible. I mean, the idea of Vader touching down and getting his hands dirty and doing the dirty work and not just leaving it to Riva and the Inquisitors. It was a really cool concept, too. I love seeing Vader in this terrain, something that we've never seen before, or at least not in, like, canon. We've never seen Vader, like, touchdown on the planet like this before.
Starting point is 00:07:05 obviously seen him in Hoth, when he came down there for that brief moment, which is a cool moment on Empire Strikes Back. And then for the rest of pretty much the original trilogy, we see Vader on ships and on different Star Destroyers. But we don't really see him touch down too many times unless it's like a video game or something. So that was really cool for me. Seeing the lighting of the light, I don't know if you guys caught, but the lighting of the lightsabers was really cool. It illuminates this, just their specific. like little surrounding this like circle that we're in the circumference
Starting point is 00:07:38 you're in. To finish my point that I was saying at the end of the video, Chung Chung, Chung, who is the DP for old boy, DP for the handmaiden, he did last time in Soho.
Starting point is 00:07:52 He did a lot of other movies, but he is a very, very good DP. That's why this episode looked like shit. That's why it looked incredible. Yeah. I really am convinced that's why it looks so good because we have a veteran director of photography doing the majority of the shots
Starting point is 00:08:08 so I felt like that came out quite a bit when it came to the lighting in the shot selection yeah I'm but freaking Obi-1 Ewan McGregor's performance like when he when the first time he sees Anakin or he thinks he sees Anakin because he's kind of like tripping balls
Starting point is 00:08:24 there was his whole realization of because he's pretty this whole time he's thought he's killed him you know and living with the pain of that and everything surrounding him it's just a reminder of that. This whole, the whole, even though he thought Anakin was dead, the birth of what the empire is, he
Starting point is 00:08:42 feels, I imagine that he feels partially responsible for it, for never having had the foresight to prevent Anakin from going down that path and what it led to and all that. So the first time he sees him, and then when he senses him, when they're in, what's that planet called, that they're in at the end?
Starting point is 00:08:57 Oh, Mapuza, Macuza. Mapuzo. Mario Puzo. Yeah. Yeah, and then that distorted side-winding shot of him, it just looks like he's about to faint, like just getting hit with the presence of Anakin. Like, he could just feel it, sensing it.
Starting point is 00:09:17 I'm trying to hand this off to you without taking over. John, say stuff. It's all good. No, I think they've done it. I think my perhaps favorite thread that they've put into the tone of this show is that amount of foreboding and dread. and viciousness or monstrousness that comes off of basically the entire dark side presence here
Starting point is 00:09:40 and even too I'll include the Obi-Wan because there was such a build-up with the igniting of his lightsaber but two I mean we remarked on the previous episodes how much they're not going hog-wild with lightsaber stuff they're really making those things you know they're making them rewarding by building them up in such a way where at first when like you have Reeva and him squaring off It's just like this monstrous, buzzing force.
Starting point is 00:10:04 And then here you have all that buildup to them finally clashing together. And, yeah, this onset of dread and of just disturbance within that comes with the arrival in the presence of Vader. Like, I like the subtle hints of... There's been a disturbance in the force. Yeah, and I like the way... I can't remember where I heard this clarification, but I think it's in one of the novelization of Revenge of the Sith
Starting point is 00:10:29 where they say, like, you know, Obi-Wan left. it to the force as to whether Anakin would live or die there. And I like that you have this sort of question. It's like, yeah, he assumes he's probably dead, but he doesn't know for certain. And there's almost like this ghost story, a little hint of just demonic presence that comes with the entire situation surrounding Anakin. And I think the way that they captured him here, really, it's like you said, it puts you there in a lot of different ways, partly due to the handheld nature, partly peering through the
Starting point is 00:11:00 flames. They do a lot really nicely with foreground obstruction to make it feel like you are really there looking at this, you know, person and also, too, seeing somebody like Obi-Wan, who we have such an association with being this warm, safe presence, much like the force, as he describes here, is actually not, is actually completely sort of on his heels and is, you know, terrified in a way of what is coming. And I like, even though they're not making a huge big deal out of it directly, that yeah there is so much disturbance within obi one right now i mean that's one of the main highlight of the show for me i mean it's been like vader being badass the whole time every time vader's there you're like if we can see vaders castle oh oh i have to talk about that because that was so cool
Starting point is 00:11:46 i mean the idea of just like zooming in on the lava and then working its way up the camera working its way up to vader's castle and obviously we know about vader's castle we saw it in rogue one as well but it's it's seeing it again and seeing more of the inside of it and seeing the throne room which looks incredible which has a view of all of mustafar in the back almost like he wants to like remember and almost like you know remind himself of what happened and what he is and how he became what he was been a motive of his this entire time yeah it really is kind of this crazy concept of like the most traumatic moment in his life is also when he became who he is now, which is Vader, and he almost wants to live in that moment and live in
Starting point is 00:12:34 that planet. And it's just a really cool set design and it's a really cool concept to see that in Vader. I think that's supposed to make Vader so compelling this time around more than before for me because Vader's always been great, but what makes him especially compelling is that he's a character, you could feel all the pain and the tortured soul underneath the suit this time around where normally it's like you had you hating christiansen's performance and then darts vader was just you know badass i mean there was other shades that you began like empire strikes back or turn the jedd i of course but here this is like a real tumertilous performance
Starting point is 00:13:12 here and then you back that with obi one's resigned performance the or iwin mcgregors what and by the way you know i know i was like a little bit critical of the actress who played leo before because It's just more of the writing of the character because I had a feeling it had something more to do with that. But I thought Leia was actually really great this episode. I really thought she was great. And I like that we got more shades of her. She felt way more human and not just like, you know, precocious child actor. Like she felt like a real human character.
Starting point is 00:13:40 And I really sympathize for it. I just want to throw that out there really fast. But I'm curious to get anyone's thoughts on this one, the lightsaber fight here. Because I think what a lot of people might be expecting is, you know, like Revenge of the Seventh. Sith had one of the most epic balls to the wall, like a lightsaber fight that just went on for like 45 minutes. It was just a crazy choreograph fight, and that's not where we're going to get. Maybe something close to that, maybe down the road, but of course not the beginning.
Starting point is 00:14:09 And I thought what was cool about this reintroduction of it, because we were all like, when's Obi-1, going to ignite his lightsaber. And so much about, you know, discussing the force is so much about feeling, you know, and when he sees oh, Darth Vader for the first, I mean, he's confronted with Darth Vader, you know, it's like he holds up the handle of the lightsaber. Or what do you call? Not the handle. What are they called? The hilt. That's what's called. Good word. The hilt of the lightsaber. And we think he's going to ignite it, but he doesn't. And then he gets that instinctual feeling eventually and does it without thinking. And that to me is more, as opposed
Starting point is 00:14:44 to making this big grandiose moment of when he does ignite it, that's more authentic and in line with what they talk about with the force and I like the fight because it was so emotionally taunting versus crazy choreography like Vader just exuded power and dominance over him the whole time it was just like kind of bully
Starting point is 00:15:06 you know what I mean you watch Obi-Wan struggle and he even makes that remarker like wow you really are in bad shape Obi-1 which you get the sense almost like even even though I mean his goal obviously is to bring him in and have you know whatever you know way he wants
Starting point is 00:15:22 to punish him. I almost feel like there's a small hint of like I mean, can't bring you in like this. You gotta rise to the occasion a little more for the history that we both share. But two, I mean, just the way that they, like you said before, the way that they enhance the colors. Like I love
Starting point is 00:15:38 as much as people gripe about the shows on Disney Plus especially being very desert oriented and whatnot. I thought it was nice to have this fight take place in sort of a neutral ground from, you know, the last famous fight was obviously Mustafa lava. Here we have the crystalline version
Starting point is 00:15:54 of that, just sand, but you also have the darkness with which the actual glow can illuminate things. And I love the fact that they let so much of that play in just the sound effects and in that glowing because you have those two striking, strong complementary colors, which is cool
Starting point is 00:16:10 from a filmmaking standpoint because, you know, they had to light that, put the lightsabers in after, but it's also just a great visual color representation of the clash at hand. Yeah, I I mean, the lighting is obviously amazing. When it comes to the fight itself, it's interesting because I keep thinking about timeline-wise as far as what they're going to do. I'm pretty sure they're doing two seasons, right?
Starting point is 00:16:31 Is that what they said for this? I have no idea. I thought this was just a... Or it could be a one-off, but my thing is like... And or is two seasons. Okay, so my thing is like eventually we're going to get to a point where we see a much more improved Obi-1. because obviously I keep going back to the line from a new hope but it's important because it's a very famous line from a new hope as far as implying that you know last time we faced
Starting point is 00:16:59 you know you were you were the master but now I'm the master um so he was says I'm but the little bit you are the master um so for me it's like to get that shit I know I just messed it off asshole I missed the whole thing out right now but for me it's more like you know eventually we are going to get an obi one who is a little bit more confident in who he is and his abilities and again if you've seen rebels you've seen that scene with doth mall which eventually shows that he is much more connected to the force than he is now which obviously he's very much out of shape but it still was a cool like brief moment it was very one-sided but it was still like a cool like little brief moment of like teasing what could be as far as if once obi-1 is like
Starting point is 00:17:45 you know in god mode well i think what they're doing with obi one that i find really really cool like it really started to click with me in this episode because yeah we will get that obi one we just have to when it makes sense we didn't get into obi one down that road and we have to see his arc um because right now he is so like he is so there's so much destitute he is so resigned and he doesn't want he's like snapping at lea left and right over anything that's like hey this might be a positive thing no nothing's positive everything's evil in this world It's a bleak dark world. Everything that happens.
Starting point is 00:18:17 He just snaps. He's lost all hope basically for anything good because he's a shattered guy right now. And this is slowly putting him on little paths where he can regain that light. Like with the metaphor he talked about, where like, are you scared of the dark? And then the light comes on and you feel safe. And he's slowly getting that light back in him from interacting with Leah and then seeing the path, is what it's called. Yeah, yeah, the, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Where they find, like, force-sensitive kids or, like, help get people out of there. It's like-smuggle, you know. It's like the underground railroad, you know. For Jedda. Yeah. So they have, so, like, seeing that and then seeing who else is cross-past there, what's so neat is that he's obviously so traumatized by his experience
Starting point is 00:19:07 that happened with Anakin Skywalker that through confronting, through having to confront Vader, through having to, you know, go through these altercations with him again, this experience is what's going to get him to be back in tune with the force. You know, facing his darkest thing ever is going to be the thing that brings him the light again. And I love that. And it just has to go that path. And I'm okay knowing that, or at least having a good guest as to that.
Starting point is 00:19:35 And I'm okay with that because that's just a beautiful story to tell. And it does reestablish us as a necessity. as a gap for Obi-1 for a live action that we haven't gotten from prequels to modern-day trilogy, you know. Yeah, and I feel like a lot of it, too, is going to come back to Quigon, which we keep getting teased throughout the entire season. So far, we've had three episodes, and I think he's mentioned him in all three episodes. Definitely. He's talked to him, yeah. I tried to.
Starting point is 00:20:05 I talked to him in the Attack of the Clones of Revenge of the System. But I feel like that's important because I think that's going to help him. connect to his next chapter and his next step, obviously, you know, Force Ghost, but also just connecting to the Force in general when it comes to his abilities and when it comes to his contact with the Force. And obviously overcoming Anakin and overcoming who he is as Vader. And I think, I don't know, I think coming to terms with it, right? Because I feel like by a new hope, he's come to terms with like, oh, definitely. Anakin's gone. This is Vader now. I have to, you know, be at peace with that. And it's not all on me. Yeah. And I feel like a lot of that's going to
Starting point is 00:20:42 come from Quigon. Well, I think he probably, I mean, Quigon left him with the response, the role to, I'm dying, you got to, this guy's the chosen one, you got to put him on the path. And he probably feels like he completely failed Quigon. And that also haunts him. That's why I love E. McGregor's performance here, because, you know, I know there's a lot of, I don't want to get a whole debate on The Last Jedi. I'm sick of that fucking conversation. And there's a lot of debating about, you know, Luke Skywalker and all that. and how he was portrayed. And they do something kind of similar here,
Starting point is 00:21:17 but it all makes sense based off of everything we know that came before the show, you know? Yeah, like, this guy totally would be in this spot in his life at this point. Yeah, based on what we know, that's a very fluid decision rather than, oh, oh, that's a choice. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Starting point is 00:21:35 And, too, just like, I loved watching him and the young actress who plays Leah like go back and forth to, like, there was just such natural interplay between them. Like you brought up before, I think that really helped to kind of bring everything together for that performance, too. What do you think about Ace specifically? How do you feel about the Inquisitors?
Starting point is 00:21:56 Because they're, I like, I was excited about the Inquisitors. I'm not a big fan of the way they're being portrayed, to be totally honest. I mean, I feel like they're, they feel like they're part of the cartoon to me, you know? Yeah, but I don't know if that's a bad thing. I kind of feel like that's kind of what they're made for. I don't think they've ever necessarily been the most badass. Yeah, the big bad, necessarily. I don't think they've ever been in any kind of media that they've been in.
Starting point is 00:22:22 Unless it's Grand Inquisitors, season one of rebels, that kind of felt like a big deal. But, you know, the other Inquisitors from there on were always, like, in teams, in tag teams or, like, in trios, which kind of make it felt like, you know, if they were so imposing, you know, one of them could be a big deal, but it's always in groups. I don't I don't I feel like they're fulfilling the role that they are tasked with and I feel like they're doing a pretty good job with that so I feel like I'm in the minority of people who I've enjoyed Riva thus far and I did too I do too yeah and I feel like in this episode and I feel like the part of it is that yeah I feel like the rest of the inquisitors are a bit you know like Sun Kang talks really slow and so king says every what which brother First thing again, Fifth, brother?
Starting point is 00:23:08 Not the best, yeah. Song Kang, he says every line the same. Every line. Every line is a lot like this. And it takes a long time to get them on. So, yeah, like, I feel like, in a way, I'm like, okay, that almost does feel like a choice. And yeah, the rest of them are kind of bickery and self-serving and power hungry. And Riva has a purpose beyond all that and a connection to Anik.
Starting point is 00:23:34 And I just think of her presence. I believe the menace in her presence, or at least like the seething anger that guides her. She's not as scary as Darth Vader. But them together, I'm like, yeah, I'm a little threatened by them. Like when she tracks down Leah, I'm like, well, that's not good.
Starting point is 00:23:49 You know, like, whereas if it had been Sun Kang, I'd be like, hey, it'll be fine. Yeah. Leah can take Sun King. Yeah. Not to slight Han or anything. How do you feel, I mean, I liked Riva. I've been back and forth on her performance,
Starting point is 00:24:04 I liked her here on this particular. I liked everything about this episode, but what did you think about, what do you think is going on with the Grand Inquisitor here? Do you think that they're just like, this is a thing that kind of mapped out with Vader to get to elevate the others? Yeah, I feel like this is just another, like,
Starting point is 00:24:24 while this guy is out of commission kind of thing, we can make a new Grand Inquisitor if you fulfill the task and if you prove that you're better than this guy. But there's got to know he's not dead. Yeah, 100%. 100% for sure. I just feel like he's taking advantage of his like leave of absence. Grand Inquisitor was supposed to go on vacation anyway.
Starting point is 00:24:46 They're like, we'll come up with this ruse. That way Reva could really rise to the race. Ruse one. Ruse one. His suspension. He's been suspended for a couple of months. He's been written up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:00 You know, while he's out, we need a new Grand Inquisitor. to fill the role. I feel like that's kind of what it is. And it's funny because I actually kind of like that scene because it's also very original trilogy Vader, especially Empire Strikes Back, where he's always trying to promote the next guy. He definitely, definitely.
Starting point is 00:25:18 He did it like three times. Admiral Piet, shout out to Admiral Piet. But it's this like, Piotr, yo, Piet, that's my boy. Some guy out there with an Admiral Piettee shirt is shedding a single tear. But I feel like, like that's what Vader does, right? He's always kind of like the big boss promoting people and
Starting point is 00:25:39 demoting people and killing people if they do a bad job. It's like a running, that was like a running joke in empire. He kept like killing off people and he kept like promoting them. I feel like this is kind of what he's doing now with the Riva. Just the worst manager for the empire. All I know how to do is promote or kill. I don't know how to empower a team or create synergy. You need a leadership book, man. He kind of is. I don't know what I'm doing. Guys, I'm just winging this. Lord Vader over here. It's, it's, Darth Vader, can I go to the bathroom?
Starting point is 00:26:10 No! No! Stay on the assembly line. I will squeeze your bladder down. Yeah, stranger stars. Yeah, I mean, I don't really have anything more to add, but is there anything? I mean, the shout-out to Quinlan Voss, that was cool. You know, a Jedi who...
Starting point is 00:26:29 You're trying to refresh my memory between takes, and I was like, I do, because I saw Clone Wars once, Really quick watch. The only time I took my time was the final season. That was the time I love the final season. But I would like binge the shit. And then I just took my time of the final season. But so much of it is a blur to me now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:46 So I don't even like that sounds like that sounds like I don't even remember Quinlan Voss. Yeah, Quinlan Voss. Obviously Clone Wars. A lot in the comics. If you guys are in the comics, he teamed up with the Opie, want to take on Cadbane. That was a cool fight scene from Clone Wars too. Yeah, I mean, he has a connection to Ventress If anyone is connected to that
Starting point is 00:27:07 So if anyone knows about that Ventra's dead, right? Hmm? She's dead by this morning now Okay Too bad, I like Ventress I feel like we can get Calcasters though Ooh, yes, because this takes around the same time period too
Starting point is 00:27:20 I think so As far as Jedi Fall in Order 2 Yeah Yeah I think, I mean like that's what This whole thing with the path Was like making me go Oh shit man
Starting point is 00:27:30 It really feels like we're seeing the Inquisitors, which was plucked out of Jedi Fallen Order, and then, which is not, anyway, but yeah, but Jennifer, you have that, and then you have, and then the thing with the path, I'm like, oh, my God, I'm getting Jedi Fallen Order. Vives right now. Calcestus passed through there at some point.
Starting point is 00:27:45 It would be great if we got Calcestasus. He's so, that's such a cool, and then they announced Jedi Fallen Order, too, and you know how Disney is. They're trying to line all their shit up, so. Yeah. I feel like that would be great if we can get Calcestus in there. I think that would just make fans lose their shit. That's like the next stage, right?
Starting point is 00:27:59 Like, we're getting cartoon characters brought to life. Now let's get the video game characters. That'd be amazing. It'd be a really cool, like, you know, shout out to anyone who plays the video games because I feel like that's a, you know, media that doesn't really get acknowledged too too much. And I also want to say really fast, even though I've been critical of Riva's performance has nothing to do with the fact that she's black. I've been watching, I went on social media. I'm talking about heavy spoilers about this. And apparently I've just been so blind. we were talking about this before we filmed i was like apparently i've been so because you've known
Starting point is 00:28:35 about it for months i've been so blind to all this like crazy amount of sometimes people say it's racism when it's like now people are being some people are just critical of stuff and then there's other part words people are just saying straight up racist shit full on racist shit and that shit just i don't know why we're still there with a lot of the fan base at star wars like it's just fucking bananas to me that we can what is it supposed to be like just a bunch of aliens robots and white people like you see yes that's that's that's kind of what they want yeah it's fucking ridiculous and um i i i'm rooting for moses it's made me root for moses ingram that much more because you'll see these some of these
Starting point is 00:29:18 youtubeers thumbnails of the shit they say on them i couldn't believe it and uh i think it's so such a shame and fucking disgusting and um and for all you start fans out there who think you're on the rebel side when you're doing shit like that maybe reconsider your entire moral compass i'm not talking about people who don't like the character or like who're just like i don't like the character or i'm not a big fan of performance that's like a completely different conversation there is some straight up racism out there and that shit just needs to end man yeah i mean if i'm being honest i feel like it's it's been a part of star wars obviously for for a while now it really stood out a lot when it came to the Force Awakens and John Boyega's character, there came this
Starting point is 00:30:07 huge wave of online criticism towards any co-lead, not even lead, like just co-lead black character that was a part of the Star Wars franchise. And this stuff with Moses Ingram, I really encourage people if you aren't a fan of the character or if you are a little bit more critical of the performance to try and not just give it a chance but to try and reconsider perspectives on what comes from that right is your perspective coming from a place of watching the show or is your perspective coming from any of these online videos that you may be watching because i do feel like that has an influence and these online creators who have a negative platform create that negative atmosphere and can create a negative perspective that's kind of what happened with the last
Starting point is 00:30:57 Jedi sorry guys um a lot of people came out of the movie theater and they were like yeah that was pretty good and then they saw videos and they're like i don't like it in fact i hate it yeah and i felt like i i ran into so many people who reacted like that and when it comes to this i for one have always been outspoken as far as uh race to star wars fans which is a part of the you know the franchise and the fans and i feel like people saying that we shouldn't acknowledge or we should ignore this i don't think ignoring it is the way to go i think acknowledging it pointed it out and condemning it is the way to go and as much as we want to say that the majority of the fan base is not racist we should still acknowledge that there is a lot that are racist and they are very vocal
Starting point is 00:31:43 and very persuasive uh so i really do encourage people to defend moses anytime you get a chance to really just stand up and to be on the right side of this because come on guys this has been way too long and we cannot be standing for this so yeah yeah and i mean not every time a person who's not a white person shows up is some kind of mathematical you know attempt to white man too yeah white man it's like if there's anybody other than that there's some kind of reason for uproar and sometimes it's just like hey different kinds of people exist and could fill various roles and if you want a diverse galaxy that really feels like it's of another world where there's tons and tons and tons of people and species overlapping.
Starting point is 00:32:27 What's the problem? It's, I hate the, I just hate this part. Like, we make a lot of jokes about that side of the, of that vocal part of the internet that screams woke culture and everything, you know. We make, we make a lot of, like, satirical jokes about that. But truthfully, there is we make a lot of jokes because that shit just honestly annoys the fuck out of me. It just, it pisses me off that the second they hear of, of somebody that suddenly there's an agenda.
Starting point is 00:32:56 But I'm like, not one part of this show has made about Riva being black to begin with. It's not even the point of the character. It's not like they're making some social commentary about it. That's the thing. It's like wait for the text of the thing you're complaining about to actually be disingenuous in trying to incorporate some kind of progressive message before just decrying, oh my God, they're ruining my favorite whatever. And for what Star Wars is about to be, to have racism, like, both fans surrounding it, is, is, like, anti-Star Wars to me.
Starting point is 00:33:31 It's the most anti-star Wars thing. I don't know how many times I have to say that if you are very much anti-progress, anti-progressive, anti-seeing diversity, then you are anti-Star Wars, sorry. It's not Star Wars. You're with the empire. You're with the empire at that point. imperial what the empire's representing star wars has always been about overcoming this empirical standpoint of seeing everything uniform and everything one way the whole point of the rebellion and having freaking characters like lando be the one to take out the second death star uh with a freaking sulliston
Starting point is 00:34:12 in nine nub was to show these two guys who are communicating in different languages and and still taking down the most powerful machine on the planet. That's a very, very progressive moment in Star Wars. And I feel like George Lucas, if you know anything about George Lucas or read up anything on him, you will know that that is exactly what he's trying to communicate. So, again, that's not Star Wars. Yeah, I wasn't planning on bringing that up, but just came out of you. It's just a thing that's happening.
Starting point is 00:34:44 The only people allowed to vanquish MySpace Nazis or other white people. I'm just going to say, I think it needs to be said. Well, I mean, the last thing I'll say is, I think, is the odd part about it is people, I don't think, often realize. That's the thing with, like, a lot of real racism is they don't realize that they're being racist. They just think it's a point of view they have about a certain thing without realize, and then they blame, like, agenda, virtue signaling, something else without them realizing, oh, wait, I'm actually being pretty racist about this right now, especially the fact that. I just said a racist thing right now because a lot of it has been very overt and and the way it's been said about her that so much of the Star Wars different social media had to come out and say something I'm like because yeah it was pretty bad um oh yeah that tweet from the actual Star Wars account yeah there was something like really nasty once I saw like YouTube thumbnails saying shit I was like oh no this is ridiculous anyway guys um if you're not one of those people subscribe to the channel We just lost like we go under a million subs. I was just like, how many people were?
Starting point is 00:35:53 A lot of racist subscribers. It's weird, they must have all thought you were white. Yeah, no, that is... This is a Star Wars video. You never know, I'd rather put that out, put that honest thought out there and lose subs. That means we can get, wean out some of those people. Um, but then when the camera's not rolling.
Starting point is 00:36:15 Oh my God, the numbers are down. Oh, no. We have to go back! No, world cultures are hurting everything ever. No good comments about Riva from now on, guys, okay? No, we'll talk about Riva. If you do have to talk about Riva, it's complaints only. All right, we gotta do a patron of the day shout.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Chris Whamoff, coming at the last minute in May. Thank you so much for pledging to our Patreon page again, buddy. It's been a loss as I've heard of you, but I feel like it's really fitting to shout you out. on Obi-1, because, let's face it, if there was someone who really, really, really didn't actually have the feelings to help out someone, but was asked to and would do it because they were asked to because they knew it would be the right thing to do, it's 100% you. There's no one. Just that good a guy.
Starting point is 00:37:11 You're just that good a guy. You do more community service work than anyone, I know. include not just people at Patreon, but anyone I know in real life too. So, Chris, it's great to have a soul like yours at our Patreon page. Don't have enough people like you in my life. So I'm grateful that you would support us for as long as you have. And thank you for being you, man. And I hope one day we can't meet a person where you'll treat us to dinner
Starting point is 00:37:41 because we're not you and we're stingy. I don't like to spend more than $10 on another person. On myself, I'll spend boatloads. But on another person, not much money. But for us, you know, like, I know you'll treat us good, man. I know you'll go into negatives for us. I know you'll max out that credit card. We deserve your charity.
Starting point is 00:38:04 So thank you, Chris, for willing to go broke to support us. People who don't need your money, but we'll gladly just take it because we're us and you're you. It's Chris. Love you, buddy.

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