The Reel Rejects - REJECT RECAP: She Hulk Episode 4 - "Is This Not Real Magic?" - REVIEW!!

Episode Date: September 8, 2022

WONG & SHE-HULK TEAM UP FIGHT! She Hulk Ep 4 Reaction, Recap, Breakdown, & Spoiler Review for the NOT GHOST RIDER episode but a magician named Donny Blaze, Madisynn, Jennifer Walters starts dating, magic, easter eggs, & MORE. #SheHulk #shehulkattorneyatlaw #Marvel #MCU #TheHulk #Avengers #Disney #DisneyPlus Follow Coy Jandreau On Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?lang=en Become A Super Sexy Reject For Full-Length T.V. & Movie Reactions + SHE HULK WATCH ALONGS! https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects Support The Channel By Checking Out Our High-Quality Merch: http://shopzeroedition.com/collections/reel-rejects-merch Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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John, John, speak voice. I am one of Coy's many personalities and my name is John. And I am Greg. We are going to watch Shehoke. If you want to catch our reaction,

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She's Ghost Rider. There you go. That's the pact she made. I actually kind of like that post-credit scene. I like that with the show, it's week to weeks. You can't have everything be like the big, like, I'm glad they're doing show-sized. Post credits, you know what I mean?

Yeah. You also run that Wong knows how to drink. Yeah. Also, in real life, Benedict Wong, it brings up food in interviews and stuff all the time. So I like that it's turned that into the MCU. So like drinks and food and like,

that's so Benedict Wong. Then he's an alcoholic in real life. I mean, there we are. Benedict Wong, yeah. I said food. I said sandwiches. And ice cream. We talk about ice cream and interviews a lot.

Benedict Wong. Great man. It goes, Koi again, plugging the fact that he's interviewed to Benedict Wong. Interviews of Abel on nerdist.com. You got any more things to plug? I still got some time.

There's still some few credits. Who else have you met, Coy's Comic Corner? Check it out. Weekly. Who's another unlikely friend of you? That girl, the drunk one. You're the casting department, aren't you? There is no Sarah Holly fan. It's just Coy's friends.

I do love that Reis Quiro is Cat Quiro's husband. No, really? The director of this show. Yeah. wonder the director of the glorious i think she did seven of the nine episodes and that's her husband i bet she was trying to cast him to play ghost rat billy walsh director of medee all right guys we got her to do list up here we're going to go through it finalized blonsky injunction we saw that

happened at the bar something purple green order highlights highlight highlighters from so oh she's going to do highlighters in her her whole color purple green that's clever buy and read how to make friends and influence people. Do me both, Jen. Sign up for a big and tall membership. That's funny. Meeting with Holloway at 1230. Plot points.

Follow up with Blonsky's soulmates. Call mom and dad regarding birthday ideas. Pie the Month Club is great. Order more chopsticks. Order to those Cheetos you saw. Stop waste. Stop wasting chopsticks. Color code sticky notes.

Drink more water. I have that on my too. It's going too fast. Oh, man. Slow down. copped out here. How many Easter eggs? Come on. Come on. Okay. Someone's got to zoom in and enhance

to be able to... Enhance. Get rid of That's where all the Johnny Blaze Easter eggs are. Yeah. Ten minute meditation. We're back to research precedence on likeness IP for Miss Pete. Find direct contact information for long.

He'd one home cooked meal this week. I have that of mine too. Lee versus Byrne. Ooh, Kraft versus Soul. Charles Sol is one of the big writers of Sheeulk as are Lee and Byrne. Lee invented, you know, obviously Sheilk. And Byrne is the most iconic writer with the fourth wall breaking. He introduced that. And then Kraft is a recent writer. Soul is the longest running current writer. I think his run just ended like four years ago. Holy shit. We finally got a real Easter. I got this. Jansen class action. Jansen

is a big Inker as well of Shehulk. So all five of those names. Oh, nice. And Feng Shui is an Eastern technique of arranging things in pleasing and conducive orders to help you think better. much like the meditating and feel more serene yeah yeah obviously all right john and i discerned our place here him with the overall broadstrokes me with five comic names yes job well done ladies and gentlemen why we're here folks um i forgot i mentioned coy sitting on that side today it's part of his punishment you're in the john chair how do you like it how do you like being down on my level I feel taller and mustached. He already saw episode three and four.

You may have noticed I wasn't here last week because I was on probation. I was like, now this is your parole. I was like, it doesn't make sense for to be with us on episode three at all. But you noticed there weren't really spoilers. Like, I could have, like, I was, I'm a hate. I told you, but, you know, you had to find out for yourself. I know, but at the same time, I had to. Honesty for the people.

That is the least you could do is not spoil it. But like the people now, you know how credible Greg's work. it is. I wasn't here, and then this time I reacted left, so you wouldn't see my reactions. Well, I was like, well, it's the least to have you here because, you know, they only showed the press up to episode four. Right.

So I don't know what five is, and I don't know what to theorize next, which is honest. Yeah. So there's no point of you being here, so he has no idea with the theory. Yeah, geez, man. No, I'm saying now I can theorize with you. You've had two weeks to think about this episode and what it could be implying. Let you rewatch it with us. I was saying,

that there's nothing. I know that you don't now. Now we're on the same page was my point. Oh, you meant theorize next from last week. Yeah. Now I can theorize with you without any prior knowledge. It works. It made sense. All right, well... That's definitely a star from Lost Boys. I love her.

That was one of my first crushes. Yeah. Okay. Have you ever seen Lost Boys? No. Movie reaction incoming. So, guys, I think John and I should give our opinions first. Fair. Yeah. I'm in the probation. Probation. Ted's cap.

John, take it away. I will say that I was here for the fun of this episode. It definitely gave me there are a couple of things where, yeah, in the greater scheme of the universe, it's a little maybe wobbly in terms of exactly how to consider

all these characters when they're in this universe versus when they're everywhere else. Like I think Benedict Wong does a really nice job of bringing his commitment and intensity while still complimenting sort of the silliness that they're kind of, anybody who seems like they're passing through this show is going to have to deal with some silliness. And I feel like that's still kind of finding its feet a little bit, but I overall enjoyed, again, the kind of mad capness and the way, I thought the whole Donnie Blaze story, while not as satisfying as a Johnny Blaze story, was wacky and at least hearkened to more of the kinds of situations we can see She-Hulk having to deal with, even if him hiring her is a little dubious. at least at first, but you can see how in the courtroom they're like, okay,

and it seems like we should maybe have some kind of law preventing people from just wantonly practicing the mystic arts. But yeah, what do you think, sir? Well, I think the first half of this, I really like the last half of this episode a lot. The last half really worked for me on pretty much all fronts. like i loved everything with her dating as she hulk i thought that was a really nice thing to explore and seeing how she i like the identity struggle it creates for her like that that to me is like

interesting character stuff to deal with of oh man she's being like fetusized and and people are attracted to her based off of something that she does not feel she truly is like she's being propped up in this thing that is ultimately it feels like a guise for her in a lot of ways and is not not the real her and she's having a hard time being accepted and she's so she's on this like weird kind of interesting marvel journey of acceptance of herself and i thought that was really fun and the most engaging part of it to me and then the donnie blaze stuff once the stake started kick in with the demons coming through and then the way of his intersecting with her dating life and then the action that was there i thought that was really enjoyable and that's the donnie blaze stuff

started working for me i let go with the whole like because it was like a little bit after we did that video a few weeks ago where it was like oh my god ghosters everyone pitched it to us before i ever clicked on that video everyone was like she's a ghost rat a cameo and then i had to go search for like oh my god go so i just believed it was and then people eventually pointed out that that doesn't spell johnny to me and i was like oh crap i got carried away so i got past that pretty fast i did not really find that that interesting i had the same uh similar complaint i thought they did it even worse this time because i wasn't really like a major complaint to mine last week this episode actually feels like a complaint for me is I'm not a fan of the way they've been

handling the courtroom scenes all that much a lot of the times the courtroom scenes are feeling like rushed and kind of lacking some I want a little bit of substance to them on a little bit of like just a tiny bit is the actual legality of this well yeah that and then also some some some actual I don't know if the right word is suspense because it's not the right you want to put the emotional intensity something exciting about the argument I'm hoping you're saving it for a big long courtroom like I think

pacing wise it's like throw away throw away longer like six episode courtroom thing because I have the same problem like my biggest issue is that we talk about how it's courtroom show until we're in the courtroom and then it's like cut to the next thing and I want to be in a courtroom show yeah it's like rushing through it and it doesn't feel

at all like a lived in courtroom scene yeah well I think yeah and the last episode I thought did that too But this one was distractingly not as, like, I thought, I was able to just kind of forgive it easily in the last week's episode. But in this one, it's like, oh, come on. This seems is kind of not that funny, a little annoying, and a lot of flat jokes. So I'll own, and the only thing I said to these gens before we started, because I had seen it, is this was my least favorite episode. And that's tricky for me because it was where we left off and the array of episodes.

So it's hard when you're like, I'm feeling it. And then you leave you're like, but is this? that where we're going? And it was a weird spot to kind of end on, because they did show us the first four. And I was like, oh, no, I was like all about it when three ended. And then this one was like, it kind of left me like, oh, I wish it had either been three or five.

Because I'm hoping the next one kind of gets back on track. This one did feel not like a filler, but it didn't feel like it had any sort of like landing to me. Yeah. It was funny is I would say the last half of this, I like more than episode three. But in terms of a whole

episode, it probably is my least favorite and it's not like you have to rank everything but when you see it as a chunk like I did you feel that like when you walk out feeling like when you watch a movie in the third act doesn't land like the first two you feel it so for me this episode and like I don't know if it's because you know we're about to get giant things in the fifth episode they didn't want like the press to know I don't know if it's we're about to go on that longer courtroom thing that I think we are maybe starting with the next episode it does just feel like we're we're as it ends yeah I mean like it just I didn't feel anything I wanted to feel yeah I

excited for next week with the tithetit titania lost it want to go on the catwalk the catwalk peter you you zigged and i was like you sound just like that scene in wonderless i'll always take a little more titania i like the uh i mean at least right now i don't know exactly what her full-on presence is going to be like but i like the way they've been building her up in the background. And yeah, that's kind of a fun, clever bit of her opportunistically trademarking the name just to create trouble and probably make a quick buck. And yeah, like I like that as a legal hook to get us into the next episode. And that seems like a personal issue that would take, you know, some argument. And also we might find Jen in a position

to need her own lawyer. I'm excited. I'm also excited for super influencer because they've done a pretty good job with, you know, acknowledging fans being like we need a Twitter guard for the weeks we have Wong like they're very good they're very good at playing defense while making jokes at it like the fourth wall breaking here is so good to me because it doesn't feel like Deadpool in that it is uh part of your experience but it does feel like part of the show's experience and that's hard to quantify when I watch Deadpool or read Deadpool I feel like I'm a character in the Deadpool experience whereas in Shield I feel like I'm an audience member and then that's a really like interesting line to walk and I love that they've managed to do that because

that's how the comics feel John Byrne comics a lot of the covers are literally acknowledging you the reader, but it's not like you, the reader, are in Shehawks world. And likewise, the show is nailing that. So I'm excited for, one, Deadpool, obviously, spoiler my guy, but two, I'm excited for the influencer element to also tie into our world because half

of Marvel's press is us being excited about things. So I'm really curious how they look at that in a meta-lens that still is removed, that's still a commentary on, without being metamodernistic where it ties you intrinsically to the experience. Yeah, that's a good point. That was a thick old thought slice there, dude.

Thank you. You earned your place here. Yes. There's an analysis. No, you've earned it, my friend. But I do feel like the beautiful thing about the era we're living in with metamodernism is it's that sincere irony, right? It's that wink in a tear. And what they're doing here is they're setting up for that option of you as the observer to feel like you're just voyeuristic enough.

You're just purveying enough to feel like this is a universe. you're watching but not intrinsically again involved with and how does that work when we are literally doing the thing we're about to meet a character doing how does that work when the world does start to involve laws that will affect the greater MCU going forward so this is a great character to start to bridge that gap where I think Deadpool's going to go and where I think they need to go as the universe expands out there needs to be repercussions there need to be laws because I do think we're getting DODC being a big factor I do think Thunderbolts are going to be a big factor and they need to make sure we feel like we're invested in the law side because we're the

ones that observed it in a very first person way through she hulk like we're going to see precedents be established in the show that'll affect the greater MCU so we need to feel like we were in that courtroom and i think that's what titania is going to be i hope so because it did establish the superhuman law division and it doesn't it just so it keeps feeling like bits to me versus something that feels like a substantial thing or a movement with government and agency and all that it just kind of... I'm hoping... Random kooky bits.

You only ever see her in her office with Nikki or in the deciding moments of a particular day in court, but it's like court cases are about breaking down and sifting through details, and there's detective work in that, and I feel like the same way people get so gratified when

a Batman character gets taken out of just being gadgets and punching, and then also goes detective. I think we kind of need a similar thing with Jen. Like, we hear how great of a lawyer she is, and she wants to be taken seriously as a lawyer and I wish the show would use that more as an asset like you guys have said because the rousing monologue, the rousing, you know, closing argument, the heated back and forth. Like those are things that you want to really hunker down into when you're in a court scene and

not just feel like, oh, every time we're back in court, it's a light bit and you're going to have like a kooky lawyer to play off of and a, you know, brash, you know, defendant or whatever who doesn't take it seriously. Or at least exploring the complexities that come in play with infusing this world of super humans with this old form of U.S. losses. And I'm like, we're not really doing that. It's kind of like, uh, here, here.

It's just like a point to kind of generic ass shit, but instead of going like, what is the real problem to solve here and how do we, how do we start implementing some new laws or something along that path? That would be just so much more interesting. Do you think how do we adapt our laws? Something investigative. How do we adapt our laws

in order to accommodate the ever widening scope of how reality works now? Yeah. And that Will, I hope this is not just blind optimism, but I do, I think this is like when you watch a Rocky movie, there's montage, montage, montage, and then you get the final training thing that's more drawn out in order to fight Clubber Lang. Like, I think we're going to get to the longer courtroom that's going to establish the third act of the show next. You know, all the black boxers were not all Clubberlain. You know, he's the one that had the best montage, though. I think

the montage setting up. I just want to make sure, I just want to make sure you don't think all of the black guys were Clubberlain. You know what? Carl Weathers is in the Mandalorian, which is in He knows they're not. Guys, Disney Plus is Carl Weathers is in Michael B. Jordan is not clubbed. That's Creed, son of Apollo Creed. I'm going to dance on this Rocky Wood. But the montage is in the fourth one

or a montage on a montage, which is like breaking the fourth wall. Like she does here because it's like 16 walls of montage. That said, I think we're going to have a montage that land. Like these are like vignettes. I hope it's more like establishing the tone of being in the courtroom. So then when it gets to long, prolonged things, more linear audiences aren't bored. Yeah.

I think that's what they're doing. I hope that's what they're doing. Because I don't think being a short-form comedy absolves them from some of those legal structures. And that's what I mean by like linear audiences, people that just want Hulk. Like linear audiences and someone that wants like a procedurally show. Like that's a compliment.

Like what people want and what we want can align. Yeah. And I kind of craved a tad bit more of at least emotional heft with the set up leading into the dating side of it. Because it's sort of just, I know it's just a lifestyle thing. It's a part of people's life. People date. It's a human thing.

Everyone does it in their adulthood, most people. Most animals, in fact. Most animals really have dating apps. So that kind of felt a little like, okay, I guess we're just doing this now as opposed to kind of sitting with her for a while of feeling like she needs to go on a date or something like that or that she does crave connection or something like that. They tasted the pressure from her friend, but I would have liked to like one more scene or like, you know, her. doing something by herself and wanting someone there. Like, you know, like maybe she's, you know what I mean? A moment of loneliness that isn't.

Or doesn't have to be loneliness. I don't want to say like a little bit. But something to help support and a little bit more of an emotional investment into her dating life. Because I like, I think the main thing that they have going that is strong is everything when it does focus on more of the personal mindset

and the emotional stuff internally with Jennifer Walters. That is what I find is consistently the most engaging for me personally. as a viewer and then as coy hopes for more Marvel juices to flow. I actually, what's the give me Easter and?

I actually really like... Trink me from the cup of Marvel juice. Reference! Squeeze that Marvel berry directly into my jaw. Judge Hannah, Hannah, is that someone that ever wrote? No, I do think though that we want every actor

that is so well cast in the show to get more to chew on. And I think one thing I've been enjoying in the show is much like Emil Blonsky, which I was excited for you guys to have seen now, I like the way they re-configured him where, like, I loved his modus operandi and how that fits the narrative of both the old Hulk and the one now.

Like, it meshed, whereas, like, whoa, hold on, hold on, modus operandi. Yeah. What do you want from me? Explain what that. With the Latin. Oh, modus operandi, like his... You think you're in a real courtroom, coy.

Who do you think you're talking to? This is some habeas corpus coy. Yes, the motis operandi. The reason d'etre. Let me check my pocket watch here. Who do you think you are me? The reasons behind his choices, the motivation, his journey, his modus operandi is his M-O-S is the juice. the things that the reason

The juice. The juice. The Jose. Michael's secret juice. Guys, Emile's juice is very important. No, but I think that what they did really well here is they have a tone in the show and Emil Blonsky wouldn't have fit that tone. But you've got these great actors that can turn that performance to fit both authentically

to the Emil Blonsky we met and this world. And I think with Wong, what I want to see is more characters that gets us still feel authentic and move the plot along as opposed to kind of like the courtroom where it's bits. Like I feel like Wong. got to be Wong, but we also, like, it was serving the purpose of a joke. I would love to see the purpose of drama and a joke. Much like this is us, referenced twice in the show. They use

humor and drama to balance a tone, as opposed to this feels someone like, there's a drama scene, there's a joke scene. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I felt they kind of dumbed down Wong a little bit. Like, I think you'd be a little bit aware of some of this. Yeah. There's a court system you kind of got to work through here. Unless, I don't know

what Wong's back story is. He's been a comortage for a long time. Maybe he was born there. In New York, would be sort of. I like strange for a long time to? I like the whole idea of him being oblivious to the law, but I do think it's a little weird for him to be flummoxed at the idea that like the law doesn't account for like half the stuff that you guys do and you got to realize like, you know, there is no legal paperwork here, you know? Especially as a... And that you would probably need that if you're going to go to court in America. Especially as, you know, with what he does as part of his lifestyle profession is something that is so secretive that he should know that perhaps trying to apply the rules that he's, laying down to Jen are not going to be the same. I don't know.

There are sometimes with the talk that was like, what part of the joke of Wong is that he is speaking at a much more elevated metaphysical level of the person versus what the law system is. And at times the jokes were like, okay, I get it. But I've never seen Wong seem like this.

I don't want to say dumb, but a little bit naive. He's savvier than that. Yeah. And that's what I think they nailed with Blonsky that didn't quite work for me with Wong. Yeah. The rewriting of Blonski's journey.

made sense. It still worked for what his perspective would be. This one did feel like a different take on a character. And that's what I'm currently about with like Charlie Cox and like other people. Well, you even said during the reaction, like, why would you get a lawyer for this situation? Well, that's the thing is I, if they had maybe this is another thing where I feel like

I liked a lot that we got here, but I feel like you could have split some of this into multiple episodes or something because I feel like it would have to be like Wong doesn't turn first to the American legal system and She-Hulk. It's like a resort he has to take because other things aren't working for some reason, or he can't just kill this guy or whatever.

So, like, I feel like they could have done it, but I feel like there is a weird. I like the size of these episodes, and I like the tone of a half-hour ostensible comedy, but I do think that they need to maybe slow down and take a little more time to set a few more things up, because also in the dating, like, I feel like this could have felt like the episode where she starts dating, but it just feels like one of the parts of this episode, much like Wong coming in, kind of blurs with the last episode. And, yeah, I don't know. There's something about it seems like he just met her last time and has like that most recent association and then is like, oh, I have a conflict.

I guess I'm going to go see the last person I talked to, which is Jennifer Walters, instead of making it feel like a real choice, you know? You do know Jonathan Majors is not played by Mr. T. right? You know, it's funny? Jonathan Majors is the villain of Creed 3. So it is cleverly. I was wondering if you made that joke with that knowledge or not. Like, it actually is You did it

You connected it Guys, it's all back to Jonathan Mayer's Kang's in episode 5 We called it here first Oh man Yeah Well, this was fine It's fun

And that girl's she's fun She's fun I like her and well She's at the next karaoke night Gin and Tonics There is a very Those L.A. girls do exist Oh yeah

dating apps are as bad as that because often those are on the other side of them and it's daunting and the sleazy men that they portray in this show I was so afraid that guy he was too interested he was too good but only for one of Jen's Ness's

yeah well and I hope they continue to discuss that because that's got to be a real thing like the second she she signs up a she hook the whole time I was wondering is this guy does he actually care or is this just a kink you know yeah Find yourself a man that loves you as Jen and Shilke.

I did both. I feel like most guys, if you're interested in a she-hulk, then you would be psyched because it's kind of like you get two people. Yeah. At the same time, which most guys would be like, bro! I did She-Hulk. She-Hulk is, yeah, they're both great. They're both lovely.

Did they ever do in the comics where, like, they're different personalities? It's not really a personality because that's what separates her from Hulk. It's like, you know, her. You know what I mean? like sometimes in like like like take like Batman ego for example sure where it's like oh you get a hang out with Batman and Bruce went like the oh I see you're saying entities yeah ever do something like that hour like the entities are divided I think it's that they would lean more Hulk with that storyline just because the the safety of keeping them so different I see what you're saying like

there could be a more like sometimes they acknowledge that Jen is breaking the fourth wall in a way that feels more she Hulk but like not in a way that connects to a character in comic because that kind of convolutes where the wall is I was thinking about like you know being able date both at the same time, polyamorous relationship. Yeah, yeah. Is it a three way if it's all the same consciousness? It's true. With Hulk, you can definitely date like five people at once.

That's true. A lot of voices in there. A lot going on, especially in a Mortal Hulk. All right, guys, well, that's it for today. Am I the one who kind of liked this more than... I think this is a lot of fun. I really like this. The last half of a lot.

I did too. It's kind of rare where I'm on then. It's the least. It's easily the least smooth, but it was still really enjoyable, and I did like the last time of love. I'm really glad to have seen it, and it was fun. I'm just hoping things get a little bit more cohesive

for me in episode five. Also really cool to see Billy Walsh again. I really like Chris Quaro. That was fun. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, guys, watch the Sopranos before this show

ruins the whole thing for you. It's too late now. Here we are. Plenty of more spoilers. Plenty more spoilers. Watch this is us on NBC, available on Hulu, the day after. drop shows it credible all right guys we'll catch you soon oh yeah shop zero edition

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