The Reel Rejects - REJECT RECAP: She Hulk Episode 9 - SEASON FINALE - "Whose Show is This? REVIEW!!

Episode Date: October 13, 2022

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of Shehawk with Coy, John. Let's get to it. Coy leans. John stays far over there. I'm usually like, John, get back in frame. Coy, leave me, I can't move Coy. He's this immovable object because of his arms. This is the first intro I am interacting with them with body language, and this is for the podcast. Can you hear us interacting? You can hear the whooshing, yeah.

Perfect. Let's get to it. That was a great episode. That was wild. As mad as the comics get. They did it. I don't know, like, stay the hope for the movie. We read a little back and forth that they might bring scar and I was like...

They had a fast and the furious barbecue, man. They did it. They brought him in. They did. That was an incredible ending. I'm so much happier with this show. Now, if they do it with season two, they got to keep it more like that. I mean, Marvel's good at learning lessons, I think, and pivoting.

It's just like, didn't even build up the meta-ness. It's just like... She literally went through the frame. And we got Daredevil again. This did actually move up an entire slot in my, like... Experience of it. We're really in an era of Pink TV. Wongers.

Shared fridge. Kind of all one with everything. What about Wi-Fi? Yeah, Wi-Fi. That's a callback. Huh. Wowza. Wowser.

Wowsers. All right. We got to talk about that shit. My God. They did a lot. All right, guys. That was the... I don't think.

It can beat the, does that beat the Daredevil episode? What do you guys think? I don't think it beats the Daredevil episode for me. Nothing like it would be the dare how great this episode. I don't know why you've brought it up. It can't be the better episode. Nothing can't. Even if Daredevil's any.

No, but I do think that it is, to me, the second best finale of any of the Marvel shows. Like, it was really impressive. We're going to have Coy do a ranking for Corey's Comic Corner of Ranking the Marvel Disney Plus shows. But, yeah, we got to talk immediately about these ending moments here because it was such an interesting experience because with the intelligentsia sequence when we were there I was like okay

this is fine before this episode started and we saw the runtime we were like there's no way they're gonna botch this they're gonna botch it's too short too short and I love that everything I was bothered by this entire season

they just acknowledged for me like that elevated this and a whole show because when they're the intelligentsia part and then the whole catastrophe of things start happening where you know Todd's revealing himself abominations there. Hulk shows up.

Titania shows up. I was even though Jen was acknowledging to the audience, you know, like, this is crazy, this is messy? Is this what we wanted? My mind was like, just because you're acknowledging it, does that mean? Doesn't make it not bad? Does that mean it's good now? Because you're acknowledging it?

And then they went in the next extra step with breaking meta. That was more meta than Deadpool, you know, in so many ways with walking through the Disney lot, going through the menu of Disney Plus menu. It's like, this is like when you stand in line

for an attraction at a theme park for like one of those Avengers rights. Yeah. And you see. Because they can only do this format through this show in this way playing it on our TVs at home. Like that could only exist like this. Yeah. Just like in the comic book when like you turn a panel and they're

just a surprise. Like that only works for that medium. And I loved the way they handled it with going to the writer's room making fun of every step of the way. of how we've handled things so far and then messing with us on Kevin Feige and then even it works in such a meta level with turning Kevin into an AI into an entity of like what people like it's already sort of like what you imagine the brain of Kevin Feigy must actually work but they were acknowledging like everything in that moment that direct X-Men ask the X-Men ask

what people think about the Marvel finale is like they've paid attention so much to the comments. The lack of sex in the MCU. More Daredevil would be nice as well. And like, here's how your finale's of the Disney Plus shows tend to go. There's a formula. I really respect it. I feel like some people might, they'll do their think pieces and they'll do their very USA saying how they went too far with the metanus. That's She-Hulk. But I think they, I loved it.

I thought they did such an excellent job. And then when they went back into the actual show itself and then had such a heartwarming ending with, Oh, man, they even brought up, too, with Hulk of, like, we don't either hear about Hulk, we don't hear about Hulk, we'll learn about that in the movie. This is like teasing that we're going to get another Hulk movie. And doing a tease like that is so ingenious instead of an Easter egg. They're like, ah, yeah, yeah, you know, it's coming. Like, that's so much more fun.

Clever, super clever. And then having Daredevil sit down with them and teasing the possibility, then having like an actual, maybe longer lasting romance than just a little fling. That's why Koi wanted a date again. I did fall in love of love again. And Matt came back as he. fell in love with love again, too. Yeah, and plus she demanded it.

And I'm not mad at that. She made it happen with the Kevin Feige AI machine. The Kevin Modoc parallel. That was so good. Genius. Oh, my God, I want to see her in Deadpool work together now. And then, yeah, and so now we have the post-credit scene. What sense do you make of that?

I feel like the post-credit scene is, I think that Wong might be helping assemble the Thunderbolts and not realize it. I think there's going to be a certain, like. They're going to bring it back. He's going to be Thunderbolts officially. I think he's, I think he's. I think he's going to be in the Thunderbolts, abomination. That's been the main theory.

I mean, it makes sense, and he's been gathering people. Like, we've seen Blanc gathering people for, like, five movies. So, like, is it going to be Dark Avengers or Thunderbolts? Is it maybe he's gathering people to fight the Thunderbolts? Which side is Abomination going to be on? Fascinating. Because I think that, like, there's going to be two sets of teams. I think one's going to end up being a Dark Avenger or a Young Avenger,

and one's going to be the one that are called Thunderbolts. But I think the Thunderbolts is going to be a bait-and-switch, wherein those are all reformed characters. If you look at the assemblage of team we got at D-20, All of those people have been in therapy and like they're working on their stuff. So what if the Thunderbolt twist is they all think they're actually doing good

and then they find out their villains instead of us as the audience finding out these villains are here. The people we've identified as heroes are villains what if the characters think they're doing right and they find out they've been doing things wrong and that would be a switch on the concept of Thunderbolts. True. And that'd be a really fun way to do it.

Like I think I'm doing something right. I'm doing this. I'm doing this. Oh wait. I'm working for the enemy. I'm a Thunderball. And that subverts expectation for comic fans and viewers. Yeah, we'll get the scar in a second. What do you think, John? I think about which part, about the Thunderbolts? About the post-credit scene, or is the any...

No, I mean, my only question then is if Wong is, you know, organizing a team or whatever, where does that leave characters like Shang-Chi and Katie and things like that who are confirmed to be, like, other Avengers? And the Powerbroker. Everyone's wondering where the Powerbroker. Coming back at some point. Lefisto and the Power Broker. Top two most requests.

I mean, yeah, this seems like a... shotgun blast of setups. I don't really know what to pin as like, that's definitely coming or not. I think it would be really interesting to see a movie that takes place in between the events of something else we already know. Like, we know if there is some kind of other Hulk movie that fills in this blank about how he finds Scar and brings him back. You know, he's obviously going to come back with him from that, you know, that we know that from, you know, watching this. So I feel like it would be an interesting way to kind of see the timeline expand because I feel like there's a relatively linear way in which that has gone up until now.

with a couple notable exceptions. Whereas now, I feel like you could almost draw from anywhere on the timeline and thus free yourself up that much more in light of something like this. I wish that we had to, that we got to see Bruce Banner and Daredevil interact with each other. I wish we actually got that. Because sometimes they shoot these scenes in the Marvel movies and stuff where they're not even in the same room and they're going to say who they're talking to. But she says, that's my cousin, to Charlie Cox.

So I'm like, so that's why I was like, oh, are they actually going to talk to each other? Is there going to be a moment, or we're getting a charitable hope? Yeah. But how great is it, like, we're this deep in a phase four. And now it's just people meeting again. Like, we get all new meet cutes, like in phase one. Like, there's all these new characters. I thought, because when Scars usually,

Scar can be like pretty, uh, Scar was like a big. He seems intense. Yeah, and I always think of him as being like this monolith. Yeah, exactly. Not like a woman, angstie teenagers. He's like, hey, I'm the son of Hulk now. He kind of had like an I am Groot vibe.

Like, he had a teen Groot energy. He had such a, such a childlike teenager quality. And a very silly haircut like a teenager. My first guest was Betty, because I thought my now, I didn't, I thought they were, I thought because the show was saying, we'll reserve everything for the Hulk movie. Yeah, they were like, family, we'll get Betty. Yeah. I was like, because we're seeing relationships and shit. I just wanted someone to correct a Corona.

I didn't. Who is playing Scar? God. That's like, I'm trying to pinpoint the face. Because it's such good CGI. It looks great. It does. I mean, the CGI in this episode definitely improved.

They gave them some time. Is it just Mark Luffalo again? I feel like it might be. Mark Ruffalo. Just young Mark Ruffalo. I did enjoy the fact they gave us that Wakanda sound cue and they were like,

the artist went on to another project already. Did you catch that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who is that? It looks like you just be Mark Ruffalo. He's handsome. See, I'm sitting here going,

I feel like I've seen... That face. That face. Less green. Yeah, now I can't peg it. I wonder if the credits say who played him. I wonder if they'd even write Scar

or if that would be like a leak. Man, yeah. I mean, we all thought it would be scar from the... I mean, you and I made a video about it. Yeah. What people made videos about it. We can't be the only ones. We're the only people who...

You originated the concept of making a video about this. No one had the idea until we came along. Wait, there are other comic book commentaries? I don't think so. Oh, okay. I don't think so. I mean, that's the whole point. I think you're hallucinating.

You're drunk. I don't want people to see it through. And they also, when they went to the metaverse, that it went... Trademark Facebook. Yeah. And they went into like an IMAX ratio for it. Yeah, I really enjoyed the frame expanding to be more realistic because, you know, you're watching this with frame, you don't notice it.

And then when it expands, it feels larger than life. It feels like it's reaching out to you. They also use really interesting angles. So like in a comic book, a lot of times when you break the fourth wall, they've got to change the dynamic of the frame. So it looks different. I really like that they were able to do that with extreme high and low shots. So it feels like a different dynamic of show.

Does it feel, though, like a satisfying, I guess my question is, is a series as a series as a whole despite how great those last two episodes are first two last two exception and five in the middle that's like that's my thing is like this this to me improved the five in the middle because a lot of my issues were the writing and the thinness and this acknowledged it but in the same way that you acknowledge that her just saying something doesn't make me feel better about it I don't know where I land on it because of that yeah I feel like I weirdly felt like I want to go back and rewatch this because as much as they made all the jokes about it that I thought were really clever. I'm like, but does the

character journey of Jen Walters truly click by the end? John, your thoughts? I would like to see this episode again and the season as a whole again, but yeah, I mean, I will never forget the experience of beholding this for the first time. I am so happy in this

moment I was overjoyed by the choices they were making. However, I'm curious on a rewatch how this will feel as, yeah, a complete story, a complete package, because I could have watched this for 10 more minutes. I could have watched more of a lot these scenes and i mean yeah she has her square off with kevin and rewrites everything and then we kind of snap to the conclusion from there so it's really thrilling to watch this whole meta interlude

go down but i am also curious just to to to note yeah after a rewatch or or in a couple of days how i'll feel kind of as a if this is a well-rounded episode or if it's just a very bold episode you know yeah it's like the last two were so solid in the way and what they were setting out to do that it felt like their the direction the writing the tlc and what they wanted to accomplish there was so spot on but we were still before we were going to go this meta we were still had a primary story we were aiming to tell and it's like does that this is the core of that still truly captured because what was the what was jen accepting herself but was that struggle a real struggle that we had to...

I mean, I think she had to accept herself as Jen and then she had to accept herself as Shealk, then she had to accept if Jen and Shealk could coexist. And that was kind of the... It's kind of just like a... I wonder... Not really. So it's interesting, this is the first show that, like, most of the six-episode show, I want to be nine, and this one, I kind of would have been cool with it being like a tighter

six. Like, if it was two, two, and then like the five episodes in the middle were like the dating instead of necessarily the magic. Like, they could have just like, you know, maybe... Or even like 45 minutes, six episodes. like something about the way this felt like the length of it with the punchline maybe that's my issue because it feels like a year ago the journey began because you know how like Deadpool 2 as an example of a movie that goes super meta yeah still has a full character arc for Wilson in that movie and how and then like even if you get some Deadpool 2 I don't even recap the whole thing it just it does go all meta and it's like post credit scenes especially but there is still a full journey that he goes on there that you can really feel for and by the end of this as as dazzled as i was by what they decided to go with the last thing i was really feeling for was oh yeah then jens journey what's kind of like the last thought

of the journey that she had i mean were you guys personally let me clarify again i think tatea anneslani one of the best castings marvel has ever done yeah the scene especially with her human with kevin she's phenomenal absolutely phenomenal but yeah do you feel the um the emotional character arc was truly... Honestly, I feel like the closure was gotten before this episode. So this became a denouement. That's the real answer right there. I feel like I'm like, I know what her arc was. I felt that closure. This was like a denouement of spectacle.

Yeah. In a new way, while acknowledging it wasn't the spectacle. So I think we got the experience and then this gave us the, by the way, it's a she-hook show. Yeah. So it worked. It's still not like in my top, watch the episode. it's when we listen but like there are reasons it doesn't quite work as well as other things

but this is the only medium and only way they could have done this and I respect that true true and she does accept that she is like yeah we saw we knew that we knew the obvious again going with the meta and that's in the awareness that we knew the trajectory would be like she would accept both Jen and

she Hulk and then early on in this episode she's like oh yeah I do want she Hulk and that's what we needed I'm like yeah we knew it was going there and I didn't really like intelligency and stuff that I was like I don't even think of those characters like my brain never comprehended it and I was like why would they go that way

and then this being like dismissive of it it turned it to just exactly what the message boards were yeah they just have a bunch exactly what the message boards are. I'll put you guys to say cringe and L a lot in the room like they did that really well and even if it was a man I would still have the same failure this must have been a fun episode

I cannot imagine like all the throwaway dialogue they got to just toss around in that room that was a hilarious ass line I've definitely said that before though about certain characters I feel like I have to if I criticize some characters and sometimes I'm like

guys freak freak come at me I would still say this but I didn't say that about Jane I thought she was great it becomes a meme trope you know all phrases like that start out earnestly enough it's like in the context

of how you use that phrase which is the beauty of even the writer's room stuff right like they were able to bring awareness to not just the other side of cringe culture but the writing culture and the fourth wall break

I thought was just so masterfully done because it kept finding new walls right like so first you got her acknowledging the Disney plus of it all then literally kicking through things and then she stays aware so that answers the who she'd been talking to the whole thing and that's what's going to be interesting for me is like where we go forward with her

like how much is she going to be aware like how omnipresent is Jen Walters and how much can her awareness affect affect whatever property like if she steps into the Avengers movie you know I don't want Kusko to pause the movie you know what I don't want I don't want that

solid pull there, man. Emperor's New Groo. Slept on. Disneyland gets some Emperors New Groove merch. I'd buy it. Because, yeah, that is a really great question. And we've got to talk about that opening as well. That opening was genius.

I love how they did the tie. And that also ties the ending. Exactly. A 70s opening and then you've got bookends. I didn't even put that together until right now. Yeah, it's a perfect bookend because, yeah, stepping into the mind of Jim Walters. But I remember being a kid and not fully understanding the buildup of

frustration, but when David Banner start turning into the Hulk after a unsuccessfully is able to change his tire. Yes. So it always made me laugh. Like, that was the turning point for like I said, did it cop brand like there's been a build up of shit happening. I was like

oh, that's what did it for him? Guy does not like tires really specifically anti-ty car guy and really get turned into a monster. I'll never forget that. And they even put she in like actual physical makeup. Oh, so good. And her just, like, yelling at the car. That shot was genius.

I wonder if that's the onset reference, because they always credit the onset reference actress for that. Yeah, I wonder if that's her with some extra. Yeah, some extra patent and some green paint. And also, and I said it earlier, but I think the balance of effectively for SCAR being five hulks in this, they did a lot of really good work, making them look good and different. Yeah. Like the skin looked great this episode, even in the light. Oh, man. Also that joke, too.

They even talked about the VFX. Not only get a daylight joke and a Black Panther joke Well and I was like I wonder how the VFX artists feel about this I can only imagine them seeing they're going huh Ha ha ha ha ha ha we're so tired I imagine that there was a bit of It's got to be a tad bit of a catharsis within the joke there And we've heard things are improving because again

When even Kevin says like they've moved on other things already So you got to change back to normal You hear the talking drunk You know, it's kind of letting the audience know that there's sometimes these business decisions that are made, which I really do appreciate. We're going from this to Wakanda forever. That's like probably the weirdest. That might be the weirdest tonal shift in the MCU history. Yeah, I guess the question is, is like, did it, what will the effects of this have, would it have gone to meta?

Well, season two is all a dream sequence. Yeah. Confirmed. I'm really curious what the internet does. I mean, obviously the internet's been exhausting with this whole show. But I'm really curious, like, it is polarizing to do a meta self-awareness thing to this level. But that is also the kind of talks to Kevin. So good.

But Kevin talks to everybody. Kevin loves everybody. Kevin talks to everybody. That's the difference with the real life, Kevin. Kevin Feigey, you're great. We appreciate you. And your omnipress. People are always talking about Kevin Feigy, like talking with everyone all the time.

I loved it. I want to re-watch this episode. I feel like these last two episodes, it's stuff that was truly special. and even though i think the daredevil episode is a better narrative story that's why when you ask me i'm like yeah like i like i like meta but i also like contain story like this is probably the most personally affecting but i i love what they were able to do by bringing in daredevil so like a thousand percent yeah because i think that you know like while that daredevil episode of course is so special and near and dear to our hearts yeah this is what this episode is what made she

hulk the show incredibly special and and it was able to retroactively make me appreciate a lot of the choices I wasn't enjoying and like down to the details of like knowing certain Marvel references that only diehards would get versus the casual jokes versus all those like little things like and also I can't even imagine writing this and knowing

that you're reading all this trolling leading up to like what's to come or like you know Kevin Faggy shepherding all this forward and then knowing that there's going to be a Kevin that is referenced in this way and they're writing around this and like what was that approval of that script like what was Kevin Fagy reading the Kevin dialogue and like

because he's so invested like when I introduced you guys to him at Spider-Man like he's so like what are the reactions what's the experience how are you guys enjoying like he cares about this so much

no yeah that was the first thing I thought it was like what I would love to hear an interview with him about this deep dive because it's such a unique that's like he's the only producer

that has this happened yeah and it also felt like there was a sort of legitimate like not danger but you know like if you're being meta from within your own house there are surely things that you cannot say that people will be thinking to ha ha that's when i developed my drinking problem but uh yeah like it still felt um for lack of a better word you know like his kind of flirting with the line and kind of dangerous in where they were going with those meta things and so like hats like you can always go further you can always skewer harder but i was like oh hats off to you know at least going as far as you did and i would love to know what the approval process is you process for that was like and i love for the matrix of it all like i felt like the architect yeah i almost i almost threw that out there but i was so wrapped so phase seven will be the

after multiverse saga it's going to be the metaverse oh 100 percent yeah that's facebook facebook disney the last monopoly she did it's the metaverse dead hulk she pool kevin fike you should be in here dead hulk all right guys well what did you think about this That was wild. That was freaking wild. I can't wait to see. Because I was telling you before you showed up, I was like, look, man, there are people who apparently they've read some leaks, and I was like, I haven't read them.

I would have guessed some things on camera. I think myself seemed smart. Like, if I had heard anything, they're like, they're not going to go that far. I wouldn't believe this leak. I was like, I heard their leaks are crazy, so we got to make sure to, I was like telling it, like, maybe we went to film something afterwards or something. Yeah, and I got here early and, like, stayed off. my phone. I was like, I don't want to see anything

on the journey. Yeah, I have friends who read and they're like, these leagues are true, this is crazy? And I was like, okay, so what? Like, she, like, Red Hulk? That's why I was like, is Red Hulk going to show up? That's where my mind was going. I was like, what characters could show up that would make this a crazy finale. When you said crazy, I was like,

Deadpool. Like, I've always whenever this was crazy, like, fourth wall break. Yeah, that's how you safeguard yourself from Leaks. Just make the reality sound way too outlandish to be true. But then, man, that was my mind never ventured it would go that while. I was like, this is beyond

whatever people told me. They delivered, like, describing that story is not as good as what they showed. And that's so, last bit, sorry, last rant. Yeah, I got to add it. The thing I always talk, okay, I'm done that. No, no, go for it, do the rant. The thing I always talk about with these things is different

from the comics, right? I always use Civil War as an example. And, like, the way you keep these things fresh is you have it evolved from the medium for the medium. So what worked in Civil War, the comic doesn't necessarily work in Civil War. the movie. What's great about this Shealk episode is this showed us why these things should be on Disney Plus versus

in the theater. I've been saying, like, I'd rather have things in the movie theater. I've been saying I'd rather have these experiences. This just showed me the benefit of the medium of watching something at home in a way that I never would have expected with the only character that made that work. So this is so unique to Disney Plus to me and just warm my heart that you can even prove

me completely wrong. I'm so happy this lives here. And it's really sold that moment where you come back to the menu. I could feel the tension in the room. When you go back to the Disney Plus menu, it's like, I was like, oh, shit, this is going to be so hard to re-sync the footage. I could feel it from here. I was like, oh, no.

No, not now. This is going to mess up the watch a long. We finally did a watch one for everybody and they can't sink it up. I was really like, very convincing. Oh, God, it's going to be so stressful. So as much as I would love to, as much as this is the episode, I'm like, I wish I could see this on a big screen with some of that scope change. I'm like, this is also like really well suited to its medium.

Yeah, I mean, you wouldn't. exactly because of the scope change that's the main reason why but that kick that first kick i i can't wait to watch us go and then see her like swing through because that's that's something that can only happen here and then we're watching us watch a fourth wall break 16 walls guys what did you think about this episode uh leave your thoughts down below subscribe click that bell leave a like uh let's see who the lucky patreon fox you are the she hulk of this channel you are a badass, you are a virtuous human being. And if there's anybody I would love to see break our fourth wall

and change some things around maybe for the better, I think it would be you. You got good judgment, you got good taste. You're somebody who I feel like is supportive but stern. You would take us in the right direction. It would be Madcap, but it would be beautiful, my dear. And I hope you're doing well out there. Stay beautiful, stay sexy, and we'll talk to you soon.

Much love. To the list, you have now been shattered out. Congratulations, Fox. You've got the finale. Be happy.