The Reel Rejects - REJECT RECAP: Umbrella Academy Season 3 - SERIES REVIEW!!

Episode Date: July 7, 2022

WHAT A SEASON!! After a bit of a bumpy start, Season 3 of Netflix's Umbrella Academy brings us to a tumultuous end and a big cliffhanger regarding season 4... Greg is joined by our good friend Aaron Alexander to review each episode of the season -- time stamps below if you'd like to skip to a SPECIFIC EPISODE! ENJOY!!! And as always, a BIG THANK YOU to StoryBlocks for sponsoring this series! Visit http://www.storyblocks.com/REJECTS to get started! 0:00 - Intro 2:30 - Episode 1 "Meet the Family" Review 14:30 - Episode 2 "World's Biggest Ball of Twine" Review 33:09 - Episode 3 "Pocket Full of Lightning" Review 1:01:20 - Episode 4 "Kugelblitz" Review 1:14:49 - Episode 5 "Kindest Cut" Review 1:40:27 - Episode 6 "Marigold" Review 1:57:40 - Episode 7 "Auf Widersehen" Review 2:10:49 - Episode 8 "Wedding at the End of the World" Review 2:22:10 - Episode 9 "Seven Bells" Review 2:35:06 - Episode 10 "Oblivion" Review REACTION HIGHLIGHTS on YouTube & FULL LENGTH (Sync-Up) WATCH ALONGS at Patreon.com/TheReelRejects!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This singular, you know, post will be updated each time a new reaction comes out, each time there's a new review. And then once all 10 reactions are up, all 10 reviews will be contained herein. So, yeah, you'll hear either from me, your trusty podcast engineer producer guy, or you'll hear from Greg and Aaron occasionally between, just to kind of mark where each episode, you know, review shifts to the next one. There will also be time codes in the description box updated with each added review. So hopefully it's pretty easy to navigate through.

But this series has been a lot of fun just to kind of experience third hand. I mean, obviously I am not the expert, Greg and Aaron are, but just being the assistant editor on a lot of these videos, you know, assembling them, getting them corrected for color and sound before they go out to the editors and whatnot and all organized. You know, you catch bits and pieces of the conversation. And Greg and Aaron always make me laugh and they have such a fun, unique dynamic together. So I hope you guys enjoy these.

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Enjoy. All right. One episode down, 45 more to go. Let's talk about it. All right, man. What did you think of this episode? Huh. What did I think of this episode? I think that, um, obviously I like the characters. I like the, the fun stuff that Embrella Academy does with its weird reverend humor. I'm not in love with it so far. No, no, I'm not a new one. I think, I think TV has this thing where they, they create problems and then they create illogical ways of character confronting those problems for the sake of a plot. And I think that this episode is very guilty of that. Like, They just dealt with time travel, and then their immediate reaction to seeing that they're in an alternate timeline is, oh, we got to fucking fight them.

I was just got to punch all our problems away. And I was like, that's okay. All right, fine. It was fun to watch, but I was just like, that's not how logic works. And then, I don't know, they raise certain questions that felt, I don't know, it was just, it didn't feel natural to me. But, you know, for the sake of the plot, I think we have to. go there. And I think it really has to, we need more time to see how the show execute the things that it's trying to do. But, you know, everyone's on their A game, you know, as far as the chemistry.

The chemistry between the cast is just as strong as ever. And I thought it was interesting seeing that this feels like a direct jumping off point from the last point we saw. So if you haven't seen season two in a while, what, like two, three years, like good luck because it gives you no sort of room to kind of like be like remember this unless there's like some recap. Yeah. Yeah. But we didn't watch that. Yeah. I'm still trying to get a hand. I mean it's the first episode and Netflix the designs the show like Umbrella Academy to binge. So you don't want to like there's reasons how week to week they want you to judge it off of the first

episode. Fair. But yeah. I mean, I think I think it's an unfair comparison because what I respect about it so far is that it's it's already very different than the other two seasons. And season two felt extremely different than season one. And this feels more like a... Sounds like a weird thing to say. Feels more like a superhero show. And what I like, an umbrella cabin is one of those shows that feels like anti-superhero show. So I'm still trying to get a...

My mind and heart are still trying to wrap itself around. Like, what exactly is the pacing of this season? What exactly is the tone of this season? because I'm still not quite grasping it. It felt like it was moving really fast and not in the complimentary way Umbrella Academy generally moves like at a fast pace.

Like I was really appreciative when it actually started to slow down a little. Like when it starts slowing down, that's when I was like actually really into it. Yeah. Because yeah, it was kind of a mixed bag for me because I think it's just getting reacquainted and reintroduced and yeah,

because nothing was really emotionally grabbing me as much as like being excited about certain things. It's like seeing Lila show back up and enjoying the fight scene at the top of the Sparrow Academy, you know, but the, I don't know, the Sparrow Academy, it's like there are a lot of it's just sort of waiting to see what they're all really like because all I really got from them was just a bunch of, you know, angsty, one mind hive, one noted brats. Very, very elite kind of team unit that's very kind of pompous about it. The thing that bothered me, I think, the most in the episode is the fact that five is supposed to be the smart one of the group. but they've done very little to question the nature of what else has changed outside what else has changed with them being there like from the moment you see that there's another academy like a sparrow academy I feel like you'd be like oh yeah okay so if this is

different then all these things are different and the fact that Allison doesn't even question the fact that huh if this is different maybe I don't even have a daughter I was just like that seems just like like a no-brainer like meat yeah it's when us as an audience is ahead of the characters, it kind of makes it a little distracting, because I think that that's what smart writing should be, is either subverting expectations or doing things that we're on the same page. Like, we're going through it as the characters. But if we're smarter than the characters, it makes a little frustrating. Yeah, I felt like the first episode of season two, especially, it was a long time since I've seen two, obviously, it's been

whatever first came out, yeah. But I remember the feeling of being like, not only is it a good set up episode. It's just a really good episode. And this felt like, okay, they're just setting up a lot. And it's kind of fast-paced and quirky, which is a quality of Umbrella Academy. But I think the kind of like the depth is the thing I was sort of craving a little bit more of, you know. And I don't really know what, to be honest, I don't really know what it is that I'm craving. I really know what it is that I'm expecting. because yeah I think the Sparrow Academy was kind of like other than the powers on display which is a cool introduction this main this seemed like this introduction this reintroduction back in umbrella academy the series

I'm like it was mainly saying not to be fun but there's something about its tone I wasn't as gravitated towards as I was with the first two seasons and so it's just maybe dig some readjusting because like yeah the Sparer Academy just seems like cheesy they seem They seem like, especially Ben. Yeah, he's just super angsty for like no reason. Like, why are you like this, bro? Yeah, they all, again, we haven't really spent much time with them. The show was designed to binge.

So I know like, well, if odds are, if you're watching this reaction or this discussion, you've probably already finished the show or way ahead of us on the show. So you're probably topping away when I'm like, yeah, I get it. All right. So I've had that experience many times with shows on this channel where I'm like, not a big fan to, oh my God, I'm loving this. You know, and I, it's umbrella academy. So it's not like it's lost my faith in it. But yeah, as a, as a premiere episode, it was just like, it was kind of like corky and fast.

And we got a set up here. Like they're at the Hotel Obsidian and, um, yeah, I guess it's just lacked weight for me. I think the thing I would like to see is want our characters making smarter decisions. Granted, I know there's a lot of humor in it, but I'd like to see some real thought behind their actions and things that make sense for them. I'm also a little confused about what the show's intention for how we're supposed to feel about the Sparrow Academy is. I'm like, are we supposed to be like screw them?

Do they want us to eventually like them? I don't know. But one of them's dead already. So I'm sure that's going to be like the mystery on the Sparrow Academy's end while the Umbrella Academy is trying to do their own thing and then run across their doppelgainers and whatnot. Yeah, and they're setting up this, I wonder that thing in the basement that, oh my God, what is, what's the mom's name again? I can't remember. Grace.

Grace, yeah, yeah. Grace. I wonder if that's connecting a little bit more because they had the whole reveal with Hargraves in the last season that he's an alien. And I wonder if it's kind of connecting to that. Yeah. you know that could be interesting because it seemed like it was a bunch of like alien computing technology yeah you know and you know grace is designed i don't know kind of this traditional boomer sense and it's a sign from god so i wonder what that's linking to and yeah you know

it's like some stuff is we gotta we gotta kind of wait for it to unfold but right now this felt a little bit more it's just gonna sound messed up about a little bit of more like I was watching network TV. Yeah. That was trying to be Umbrella Academy. I don't want to be too harsh, though. I really don't. No, again, it's only the first episode.

Yeah. Like, we can't get ahead of ourselves there because we're going to watch them all back to back. Right. Yeah. No, yeah. First season felt like they were an adaptation of a comic book with Creative Liberty.

Second season, it felt like when they ended season one, they were like, okay, we want to take this in a different direction, but we have this inspired idea that we want to take this to and explore these characters in the 60s. And then this season, we're like, oh, fuck, we got to make a season three. Alter and timeline, sure, let's, yeah. Yeah. But so it didn't feel as, it felt very, very plot oriented that instead of character oriented.

I felt like, granted, it is a plot because it is like the whole seven-day thing, at least the first two seasons were. But I think that the, at least the premiere of season two, did a very good job of having it introduced the plot, but also catching us up with how these characters were in their head spaces. So granted, it's only the first episode. So, you know, I just saying that to be nice. I think it's more of the feeling that it leaves with is, is that, like, what I like about it is what I like that's carried over is the characters from Umbrella Academy. I like that. And I like the display of powers from the Sparrow Academy. And the chemistry is just as strong as ever.

I think what this felt like it was lacking for me for a setup is tension. And yet this should also feel like very consequential. And yet the character's responses to everything just feels like I get it. They're defeated. They're coming off of a really big battle from before and they're all tired. Yet it feels very inconsequential to them in a lot of ways. You know? And so I guess we got to just see what's in store as it goes.

because, yeah, 99% of people who've watched the first episode were like, all right, next episode two, let's go. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, it feels like. Most people aren't stopping to, like, think about and ponder what they thought about that first episode. Right, yeah, it feels like character, feels like choices writers made for characters to go

rather than choices that characters would make that make sense for them. I really think it's just more of the response to things. It's like, I like the setup of the Sparrow Academy and being here and they're being, you know, stranded once again, like they should be at a place where it feels like we're back at home, we did it, but yet they're lost.

And everything is just kind of a light attitude towards it all after they fight the Sparrow Academy. Yeah. You know, like I was really into it at first, but then it just started kind of dip for me in terms of interest. So, yeah, but they're trying something new. They're trying something different and they got it. They can't just repeat, you know, like, we're stranded again. Apocalypse. I mean, I'll give the show that.

Each season has a very different thing that they're trying to do, and they're keeping it, they're keeping it fresh with the inventiveness of the plot. So I'll give them that. The execution for me so far I'm not 100% viking with, but I respect the ambition. And the setup of Diego, I think is fascinating, like with Lila coming back and having a kid where it's, like, they all have their issues with Hargraves, you know, wanting to be accepted. And, but Diego is probably the funniest when it comes to, This, like, this constant determination to get approval.

And so now how does he handle being and dad himself, you know? Yeah. So I really like, I like the setups all around. And it feels like there's going to be a lot happening at this hotel. That's going to be very fascinating to see what unfolds. But, hey, first episode done. Hopefully stick around and see if we like the second episode. And so we've just got to be honest.

That's the only thing we can do is be honest. All right. welcome back peeps that concludes the episode one review now moving on to episode two world's biggest ball of twine enjoy okay i like that episode a lot better yeah that was much better damn that was pretty good now we're getting somewhere yeah that's pretty damn good all right all right uh more my jam yeah buddy all right let's chitter Chee, chitty. Thank you to StoryBlocks for sponsoring this video. Being the cinematic artisans, we obviously are.

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That's at storyblocks.com slash rejects. Now back to the video. Yeah, I like that one way more than the first episode, by a lot. Like this is, in some way, should have just been the first episode. This is the umbrella academy we were waiting for. much more of the jam especially with like having an actual mysterious intriguing plot there at the end with what um because i started clicking for me what they were doing in the first episode like yeah it's supposed to be you know that everything is not as dire consequences because uh there's no

apocalypse happening it's fine everything's fine and i i really got where five was coming from uh this time around put me in a different mindset with his character of guys i've been fighting for years years years. I grew into an old man, came back as a young boy, and I'm still killing and fighting. And this is the one timeline where it seems like everything could actually just be fine. So it might not be what we were looking for, but it's going to work. And, you know, him just trying to retire and find a new sense of everyone's just kind of finding a new sense of stability or purpose and a point of existence in their life here. And so I really thought that like the setup they had at the end. I'm like, oh, that's really.

interesting that's really intriguing like what did happen to them and you know what is this exploding alien thing that grace is becoming subservient to uh down in the basement you know it's there is something really menacing about what's going on there um and i thought i think everything about this one was pretty pretty solid uh overall all around i really liked uh and what you think about like Miguel and Astro, you don't know how that kid's name is. I don't know. I didn't get the kid's name. I thought that was fun, you know? I thought like the initial premise of them like, oh, I got beat that dude up in the convenience store. It was a little hokey. But then the execution of that concept was really fun and really cool. And I like to, I like getting to see them bond and then

then beat up each other. And Diego just has like immunity to pain apparently. Or maybe that was something from before but just seeing them interact was very cool and then I'm so trying to understand what the powers are on that guy because I thought it was like an instant deflection or reflection but then it seemed like at times it wasn't happening I think it was just Diego hitting him and then but Diego just didn't have a reaction to it but other times he would have a reaction to it so I don't know but all I know is I was wondering if it was just like physically punching him but then we saw when a when astray through the knife it cut him and in a did to cutting the guy he threw it at so I was like okay interesting and then yeah she

really has like a almost like a snake venom kind of thing yeah when she spits her her black juice I do find you the black juice I do has could sound like something else turn but I did I did like I think the out of the two personality I think they're the most intriguing personalities out of the Sparrow Academy the ones I fought in the convenience store yeah I do think that you know Diego and Ash Treve will learn his name of eventually. Asher's who played on euphoria, yeah. And I do think that they have good chemistry. Like I believe them

as this like father and son, like the becoming father and son, but I, I see the dynamic. I see the chemistry. And so it really dawned on me there and I like the setup of Diego being like, I promise myself I'd be a good dad. I just kind of get him my fucking way right now. Like he's going to, he is doing what Hargraves would do. And he doesn't even realize it of just, like, kind of being, like, short with him and not taking the time and, like, rejecting him.

You know, he is doing this stuff, but in his own way, without realizing he's doing it. So I think that's really nuanced in the way that's being fleshed out. Yeah, you kind of take on those things, those habits, those traits of your parental figure. And I think how they display that is pretty clever, and that's going to be part of his arc. And there is a meta-quality. to the whole thing with Victor, the transition here, you know, because I mean, I don't know. Like, I remember the season one, Vanya had a boyfriend, right? The whole thing was kind of like fucked up guy.

Yeah, but I think it was the whole thing about she went her whole life, not feeling validated and invisible. And the fact that this person was manipulating her and showing her that she has seen, which was what made her attracted. And I think that with, yeah, in the first, and yeah, in that one, she felt seen and, like, understood what he's really playing her. But in the second season, she really found true love and connection. She found herself and then realized that she wasn't the person that she felt internally. So them kind of embracing that. And I really like to see that for the most part, from what we've seen so far, the family really embracing Victor and, like, that change. They're, like, really on board with it.

pretty immediately and I think that you know that family dynamic and then like them not that not affecting their bond was was something really powerful to see and I think that's really going to resonate with some people no absolutely I feel like that that is a good way it's like part of me goes I kind of crick because I have no issues with Elliott page I really couldn't give two shits I'm like good good for Elliott page um it uh but there is that part of it's like I want a little bit of conflict, but like some type of tension from it. Yeah, yeah.

I found myself just kind of craving it because it seems like the way they were maybe this is my own projections happening around it. Do you want it within the family? Like tension within the family of that? I don't even know if it's tension, but just like a little bit of having to adjust to it. Yeah, everyone accepted it really fast. Everyone's like, yeah.

Elliot Page, the actor. We're doing this for Elliot Page. Which is cool. Like I think that's great um i think in terms of just the writing of it and that's why i mean a little where some of it starts feeling a little bit meta because it seems like a big thing they've now been inclusive about in support of elia page yeah so i have no issue with that it's really uh like yeah but what i really respect though is how they are using you know the fact that elia page has now come out and they're implemented into the character with victor of because i don't know if that was

always the plan. I doesn't strike for that it was always the plan, but including that with the character of watching Victor change as a person too, more than just, yeah, transgender, got a new name and all that. And it's the fact that Victor seems more self-assured, more confident. Like, that is a cool way to portray Victor and not just transition, but also show, this is a different person now, and this person is much more at ease with one's self. I think that was great. That, to me, was more powerful than them having to have a scene with, like, what? What's going on here?

You're always happened? I will say as we're talking about it, and it's making me think a little bit more. And, you know, I do support and understand the concept of someone not feeling comfortable within their own skin. It all seemingly happened really fast, I'll say, though. I'll say that's my only thing. I support the decision of them doing it. I think I would have liked to have seen that be Vanya's personal journey into becoming Victor. Instead of it just like, I'm going to get a haircut.

Hey, I'm Victor now. And everyone's like, okay, cool. I would have liked to see some sort of progression with that. But that being said, well, it seemed like it moved fast because of the fact that, like, we know Elliot Page is now Elliott Page. Yeah, we don't want his fucking wig anymore. that's what it was I will say like overall I did enjoy the episode a lot more than the first episode that we watched I will say I didn't love it though I would say I had a couple of issues like I know that the character of Ben's supposed to be like you know it's not the one that we're used to I just I don't know if it's like the writing of the character the way he's performing I just really don't enjoy watching him on screen I think the acting and the writing of the character is is not I really liked Ben a lot in the other two previous seasons you

Yeah. Yeah. The thing is it just doesn't seem believable. Yeah. Like, he doesn't strike. Like, I... He's too angsty for no reason. It just seems fake. It seems like he's feigning all this. And it doesn't seem purposeful that it's supposed to be fake. It doesn't feel authentic, I would say. Yeah, none of it feels, it feels like I'm watching a performance and weird writing. Yeah. And, and, and I don't even have, like, this, like, strong, like, love for, Ben, the character, like, I've always really liked Ben, but I've never had, like, this big fondness

for Ben. So it's not like, I have a hard time separating myself from that version. It has nothing to do with that. It's really just, it seems false. It seems fake. But you see, like, I like this episode a lot, and there's a lot that I, and there's quite a bit that I loved about it, because I did feel some of that suspense come in eventually that that is a big part of what gravitates one towards this show you know we are building up what lila's really doing i'm getting a sense of mystery about this hotel in some ways like i feel like it's going to become something that's more important um i liked five getting back into the mix of it all and and uh uh this stuff with um oh my god allison um with alison yeah you know it's like i had to move past pretty quick because it was

really obvious that her kid wouldn't exist like no shit you didn't bother to question it Yeah, that's what I was talking about in the first episode. Like, obvious questions that should be risen up, like, as a natural result of the event of the story. True, true. But characters don't come to those realizations because we need plot to unfold. That being said, I didn't care for how it unfolded initially, but the fact that she's going through some, like, distortion, mental thing, I think that's pretty interesting. And I'm curious to see where that evolves into. And I liked her scene with Victor quite a bit.

I think the way they handled that was a really great way to do it. Because, yeah, I think there was... That felt less awkward to me. Yeah. The first scene felt like, it was really awkward. We accept you, Elliot Page. Exactly. Exactly.

I was like, okay, this feels like a writer-mandated into the script. I feel like we're now watching a behind-the-scenes decision. Yeah, exactly, exactly. The second one felt really authentic. I was like, oh, I was just like, I'm okay, all right. yeah yeah but yeah like I said I really support the decision I like the fact that both the character and the actor are doing something with in that's more comfortable than their skin because I think I did like the way they had they transitioned out

of it though with number five I like be happy for you Victor you still shouldn't be doing this shit that was like a really great transition of we accept you but no no no you're not number one I really loved I really loved Luther a lot in episode though that's something I genuinely loved like him I like the twists of the unveiling of him like really cool this Sparrow Academy's all right I really enjoyed his performance a lot here and I do find his I don't know how you I'm gonna make some signals from you about it the what is what is that girl's name Sophie so Sloan Sloan Sloan yeah I actually buy their chemistry a lot

I've always thought the Allison thing was a little weird. No, I was just kidding. No, I was, don't fuck your sister, wherever you are. No, I just thought it happened a little fast, but that being said, I buy the chemistry. And as the scene played on, I was like, okay, it's the whole thing of like, she's the, she's like the pure-hearted one of the group of, like, crazy people. And their bond, it makes sense. I believe their chemistry.

I was just a little suspicious because I'm just suspicious of characters when I first meet them. But, you know, I think I'm curious to see how that unfolds and the tension between these two rival families and how that's going to play out. I like that we're finally getting to the mystery of what's happening. I think that's when the show worked at a stretch. Took a while. Yeah, it took a while. It took a while. But that's when the show works at its best when we're seeing these characters that we enjoy involved in this mystery plot of what's actually going on.

Yeah, it's like the first couple seasons got there pretty relatively quick to hook you. you know like what was the first season the death of hard graves right yeah that's what brought them all back to the house the death of hard graves and then this season and the second one was like we're trapped here in the 60s another apocalypse and this one was and they had to find each other this one took a while it was just like okay we've created an ultra timeline here's why hard graves did it and then now we're just adjusting and and uh yeah this one took quite a bit to get going but now the the mystery I'm like oh finally hard grave seems suspiciously normal to me in this season like what threw me off in the the last episode when number one was like doing his speech and he's like sit down and like

hard graves listen to him i was just like i thought he's like the actual leader of this group so that was odd that he's kind of he's a little more like it's kind of the demonstration of what makes the sparrow better is he could be at ease that's oh that's true maybe that's kind of how i took it i can see that like i do miss the hard ass hardgraves but uh yeah the one is a little bit more involved in the mix of crime fighting but everything is you know like they're the heroes the sparrow academies loved every morning number one goes out there works out and throw something to the crowd you know those wet is sweaty ass towel and they all go crazy the only thing I'm concerned about is the fact that they're kind of

dicks in public but like but they're also beloved kind of how we're talking about during the episode they kind of have like a thing similar to the boys and I'm like does nobody see the like the the stuff they do in the streets and like they just like totally just like picked on a dude running and just like put them upside down in the middle of this public park. I was like, all right. I don't know the store they let them go. Huh?

In the store, you know, which is like just munching on candy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, stuff too. Well, I mean, similar to the boys, what they're doing is slowly peeling back the layers showing that, nah, they're all kind of messed up. Yeah.

We need to find out what's happened with Ben, though, because Jesus, that boy is unbearable. Yeah, I think it's just the writing and acting. It's not meshing. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully that onion gets. peeled back we understand what took place in this universe of this timeline to make him that way yeah yeah it does always strike me it pulls me out every

time like you just don't seem real but I will say that the mystery this season's really intriguing the fact that they the all their moms died before they were born so I'm like okay we kind of do they not exist I'm assuming that's the case because then we did this that just that um throw away the obstacle of running into doppelgangers because all their moms died before they were born. It says, yeah, that flashback we were seeing with Klaus, that was before all this, right? I assume it happened to season one. Yeah, or within that time frame.

Yeah, because his hair seemed like it was short and a beanie. Yeah, but also, why would he have the checks of the people he paid off if they died in this universe? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I get what you're saying. So, yeah, that must have been a, and he's just been holding on to that in his shoe forever. Exactly. And now here he is. I appreciate that quite a bit.

And I feel like there's, I mean, this whole thing with Grace, I like that they're keeping her a little bit evil or mysterious in what they're doing. But I think we covered everything so far, right? I think we covered everything so far. It's pretty good. You're talking about Lila? Yeah, she's in it. Doing stuff.

Yeah, we need, we need, we need see episode three. But she's there. She dropped off her kid last episode. And now she's just, she's struggling to get back home or wherever she's trying to get to. Yeah. I guess the mystery buildup has just been taking a little bit of while for everything to feel truly intriguing in terms of like, hook me into wanting to know how this is going to unfold. Right. But this is why this is all released it once.

Yeah. Most people will not take the time to just slow down, think one episode at a time. Exactly. But I think like the last season works so well one episode at a time where I'm like, oh, I feel like I kind of have to bid. this thing. We're going to appreciate it. All righty. Thus concludes episode two. Now it's on to episode three

pocket full of lightning. Let's do this. Please confirm it. Confirm it. She'll know. He'll know. Victor'll know. Say it. Say it. Say it.

Yeah. Oh, fucking new. Dipple chills. Yeah. I love being right. You're the only one who probably ever guessed. That was great. Good.

That was awesome. It was good, man. That's a good one. Proud of that one. Proud of that one. Good one. Like I made it myself. Slowly getting back on track.

here well not slowly but you know it's doing it's getting there sometimes not most of the time yes there's the sparrow the only thing is like I just don't find the Sparrow Academy that interesting and like to have a to have a cliffhanger what are you doing man why just take the headphones off you know

those are the microphone the fuck's wrong they're not great that's my only issue so far really is like they're all kind of one note and just not that interesting and you know you have your cliffhanger and then and then you come back and I'm like now are three episodes in and I'm like now you guys are that that interesting but everything else is like really picking up and really much more compelling is a lot i'm really liking about it um i guess we're just going to talk about it yeah screw it uh we have a

little break but here we are uh yeah i mean i like the my my some of my favorite stuff is actually uh all the things with hard graves and and and klaus yeah that's so tender and so moving this whole season seems to be about one of the main themes is all about parenting like all around you know we got with um diego and then of course like everything with hard Hargraves. It's about it, right? It's just the main two. But also dealing with like parental struggles and whatnot.

Identity. Yeah, well, like Klaus is also looking, you know, like, yeah, the whole search for the mothers and everything. So, yeah. Also Victor. Victor, as well, yeah. That's true. Identity is a really big part of this whole journey. But I really, I really love the scenes with Klaus and Hargraves.

I actually really appreciate that flip on it because. I think about, like, a little bit before that scene occurred when the other two Sparrow people broke in was like, sign this, take your pills, old man. A thought went off in my head of there's something about this season where the drama seems to be a little bit intermittent with it feeling compelling. And then a moment later, that scene happened. Like the second I had that thought, and then suddenly that scene happens. And I'm like, oh, well, shit, you just totally changed my mind. right there because it's interesting to take this approach where hargraves made a dick move and was like the umbrella academy or failures i'm going to make the sparrow academy instead

and then to watch how he's had terrible experiences with them that have weakened him and yeah just made him a little bit more just yeah his strength is just not there and then now that weirdly creates this unusual bond now between klaus and hargraves and maybe maybe there's a way to help each other that's not just plot driven but also really character driven so i think that's a really really cool flipperoo to do on it that i did not expect to see happen so that was probably one of my favorite elements of this one episode yeah no i think it's interesting seeing klaus now uh bond with hargraves because in previous seasons he's always been like the the screw up one and i don't know i felt like the whole thing with him trying to find

his mom felt kind of like out of nowhere because he didn't really care the previous two seasons. So it makes sense that he's establishing some sort of parental bond with a character that we're already familiar with that we already know, but an alternative version of them to kind of maybe heal something within him as we go along. I also like seeing Lila and Five bond because, or start to bond because, you know, he killed their parents and then I feel like they're going to have something to teach one another along their journey of like resistance and seeing the the two of them with their powers and wherever they're going it's pretty cool uh i like seeing uh what's his name number one happy

just there you go there we go i like seeing one happy dang it he's love struck in he's got the love bug in him yeah and uh yeah i think some of the problems that i had are similar to yours with the sparrow academy kind of not really being that interesting um the only thing that really works for me in regards to the Sparrow Academy is the things around them, like the thing that they're affecting, like the stuff with Hargraves, the stuff with, with Mom or the robot. The plot-driven mechanisms are the things that are good, but the character stuff is just not that appealing. And it's really a bummer. It is a big bummer to me. They seem pretty one-note. They think that's what it is. Very one-note. They're super one-note.

They could have the opportunity to flesh them out. Granted, we're only three episodes in, but it doesn't feel like it's going that direction because they're mainly focusing on the Raven Girl and New Ben. And the other ones are kind of just there. Because in some ways, it's not exactly a multiverse thing. Timeline thing. It's a timeline thing. In some ways, they could be holding up a mirror to each other and watching, like, exploring

who they are as characters, but they just check in with them. And they're like, all mustache whirling villains. They literally have uniform outfits. We had a little evil, a little bad attitudes at a time. Marcus was the only one who seemed fleshed out. Now he's not even here. And he's dead. I also think it's interesting how they went from being uniform to the catalyst of Marcus dying.

And it seems like that's the downfall for both iterations of Hargraves' children, is the death of one of them kind of breaks them apart. Oh, yeah, good pull there, yeah. Yeah, and I think that, yeah, we'll see the further division of these characters. And then it seems like the, what's the number five? Is that, is that Luther's lady? Sloan? Sloan?

Yeah. I think she's going to join the Umbrella Academy because she doesn't seem like she vibes with the other kids. No, no, she's the only good one. Yeah. I'm like, how did you survive so long if all your siblings are dicks? like i really like i like the actors other than i'm not digging what ben's doing but no i like i like the actors though in the roles i think they all bring something to the characters for sure it's really just the the lackluster writing on them but i really i really did um like i like i like

diego a lot that i don't remember him being this funny he was great last season especially the stuff with him in the uh the asylum i remember that stuff was he really funny i don't remember that funny he was super angsty in the first season and they they punched him up and made him funny in season two but they've just continued that with season three a character that's not working for me on the umbrella side academy on the umbrella side is um alison he's a little too angsty kind of on par with bends like it's stemming from a problem that it'd make sense that she would have but the way they went about it seems a little strange and just how she's reacting to the choice or how she's reacting to the news of not having her daughter feels a little weird to me but maybe there was all of it in some sort of way that feels natural or satisfactory i mean she's just i think i don't know i i get what they're doing but just because i get it doesn't mean i'm enjoying what they're doing like i understand she law she doesn't have her kid she's uh she's feeling like that time anxiety in a way um which is a real thing i learned about recently and timing

anxiety? Yeah. Like, I don't, I mean, I just learned about it and it's something that I was like, oh, shit, I definitely got this where it's constantly, I mean, I'm not talking like time in terms of time travel, but it always feels like it were a race against the clock, always in a rush. And she's kind of feeling this, you know, feeling this loss. And now she's taking it out here and just like how Victor says in this episode needs something to focus on, but it's becoming hyper aggressive and wants to reclaim it.

back so feeling like the only way to do it is through hyper regression so i understand i'm not really enjoying it myself there are qualities to the drama this like i really feel like the drama in season one and two i remember season one took a little while for me for it to get really compelling for me but but season two especially like that was very like just right away was everything was so captivating. And then this one, it kind of falters here and there. I like, like we were saying, with Lila and five, seeing like the, you know, the misfit duo, these two who shouldn't work together, but they're going to. I like that a lot. And, but, you know, when they sort of fighting at first, I'm like, what are we doing this? Right. Like, there's no tension or stakes to this.

And this is just like, it's not even that good of a fight. I'm like, what are we wasting our time a lot of cuts why is she naked like why doesn't need to be the same i just didn't understand the it's like sometimes sometimes i feel like this and to me that moment kind of summarizes some of my issues with certain ways this season so far has been executed is sometimes it feels like they're they're mainly setting out to be entertaining and fun but sometimes the drama seems to be kind of lacking in a real focus focused way. And so that scene kind of resembles that to me is like, let's just have a fight scene. And I'm like, why? Why don't we don't need this fight scene? Yeah, it's it's like a it's

it's somewhere between like things that make sense and that are interesting for our characters and the plot. But to get us along on that journey, we have to have a lot of things for the sake of having them. They don't necessarily make the most sense. Like that fight scene, like the how they went about dealing with the fact that they were in the wrong timeline yeah just like a a bunch of stuff that's like kind of adding up and it's not enough to detract for the overall enjoyment of the show but it is noticeable that these things are are happening yeah I guess the feel the word I'm looking for is it's not as so far the season I enjoy really enjoyed last episode and I really enjoyed this episode however it doesn't feel as

gripping you know what i mean like that's where like before it was just like man oh like i'm just eating it up and now i'm like no it's really good but it's still there's something that i'm not quite it's not quite getting it's hooks in my heart as much as it as it did before uh but i i am enjoying it i feel like it's getting better and it's going to get there yeah you know i i enjoy this how they've been making Victor elevating Victor to be more of the the natural leader

because it always seemed that was kind of the direction with that character of you know in season one I know dead naming is a terrible thing to do but I'm talking about fictional characters here okay so

Vanya in season one right was um uh Yeah, she's outcast, but she was also like the most powerful. So they had to repress her, you know, like the Phoenix character. And then in season two, again, like they made Vanya always the threat.

But if they just gave her the opportunity, they'd see that this person is really has the best heart and is the most powerful of them all. And then this season, now that, you know, Vanya's found his true identity as Victor, then now we're seeing how. how he's more of a leader, more capable, more, you know, understanding and able to handle situations better than, like, everyone. So there's something about the coolness of having more of the collected version of Victor and the aggression of five. And you put them two together, and they are, like, the leaders, you know? And I really, I really appreciate them a lot the most.

And I think what they're doing with Victor's cool. And I like how they've been keeping the conversation going about the transit. like Luther reacting is a little bit kind of remember in last episode I was saying like I wish there was a bit of a like how do I handle this yeah because that is a thing that people have to deal with all the time in real life and so I really liked Luther being like what okay did we like throw a party like what like how do we do this I want to like I want to show I'm cool and I'm accepting of this so they make it like they get two in their heads and I think that is that is a moment that I was kind of craving for to happen with Victor and they gave me that

through the eyes of Luther. So I was really appreciative of that. I'm kind of not quite grasping what this hotel is though. Yeah, it's like some sort of like weird amalgamation of like outcasts versus like some like a sense of like supernatural energy or something. Are there like super power people there or I'm like what is going on in this hotel?

It just seemed like they could do whatever the hell they want. It's all inclusive, baby. Get as much alcohol as you want. But it's weird. They never mentioned it in previous seasons, though. So I'm like, how did this even come about? It's interesting. I don't know.

I hope we learn more about it as the show goes on. Maybe be something of relevance. I do really enjoy the, the, I do think Diego and I do, what is that little guy's name? Astray. Astray from Euphoria. He called him 10, didn't he? I don't know. I think he called him 10 in the show.

No, no, it's like a simple name. It was like a real Stanley or something. It was like a straightforward name. I forget what it was. Either way, the kid, I like their chemistry a lot. I think they have great chemistry. Oh, yeah, they're a lot of fun. And for, you know, a show that kind of threw you into, you got a kid, Diego,

and they didn't really do much to be like, hey, let me try to bond with my kid. You know, like they didn't do any of that. they had to have a pairing where it just felt like an instant chemistry and I think they did an excellent job pairing them up like granted this guy has a he's like an athlete this kid and he you know he's also been in you know the first two seasons of euphoria fantastic in that show and you know like and here his character here while you know still like the the category of rebellious young kid

like that's who he is a euphoria but kind of loose canon but it's so much different in euphoria he's like kind of like scary yeah he's a scary kitty like you like even real even when i before i knew he was a boxer but i would never mess with this kid he's kid would kill me you know and and here he he gets the chance to be like more light and funny and uh i think their chemistry is excellent i love their chemistry together and uh i love how like he's always like you're you're a terrible dad like you have no logic and Diego's always like i'm good at this he always thinks he's doing a good job I'm the best yeah no I think it's uh it is definitely fun to watch them and I think that uh as the show goes on obviously we'll see them bond and kind

of like accept each other as father and son and I'm curious to see what the catalyst of that is and then how that intertwines with Diego and uh and lila kind of falling back with one another yeah and then becoming a a lovely little family you know of bad parenting what's the What's the mom's name? I keep forgetting. Wila. No, no, the mom. Grace?

Grace. Yeah. I can't tell if you're enjoying that or not. The actual thing? I think it's funny. I think it's hilarious. I'm enjoying it because it's like, why is a robot religious? Why is she like humming and doing like chance and stuff?

I was like, what the heck is happening? I'm making fun of it, but because I like it. You know, they are trying to, I actually kind of agree with you on that. Like, they are true. It seems like they're trying to make it feel like. this grandiose thing yeah it's grandiose malevolent thing but it's just kind of like amusing like oh no some evil amongst us but it's it is just kind of humorous in a way that not like i don't find it as funny as you but it is it is a little like this isn't spooky or something but it is just

more like what's wrong with her right it reminds me of um i guess the it reminds me of an elephant an element of a movie that you watched recently everything ever all at once but I don't want to get into that for people who haven't seen that movie but yeah I think it's really entertaining I don't know why nobody seems to

acknowledge the fact of what's happening in the basement outside of Grace like Klaus knows about it the Sparrow Academy or two of them know about it but like they don't tell the others like Klaus has a cell phone right like you could tell them something's going on does you have a cell phone? I'd imagine

so they're like in the present day but did they pick up cell phones when they got back i think it's just like a common thing i mean you would think they would you know maybe he's working with hard graves on it yeah it's kind of like why why the sparrow academy decided to meet up with them at the hotel when clearly there's a much bigger issue at hand yeah why are they fighting when they already got the information about about what's going on like with marcus yeah grace literally told you like yeah there's like a thing that killed my brother yeah yeah Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. Spar Academy is weird. It's weird. And they got a, they got synchronized costumes because they think they're the X-Men. They had the umbrella academy had secret nice costumes. Yeah,

but there's a worse. I don't like that. Except that one girl, except the Raven girl. Her fits are on point. Like, I mess with their outfits. I don't like you feel strongly about it as me.

No, I don't. No, they do. They look like 90s. They look like early 2000s when they were like, Let's make comic book movies. Yeah, totally. It's like some Brian Singer shit. It's very Brian Singer.

Yeah, yeah. Except without the bad stuff. It would be fine if the characters are more interesting. Yeah. Yeah, but they're not doing much with them. Ben still sucks. The Hargraves come. Harlan coming in.

Harlan coming in. That was dope. Called that shit. They called it like the second we saw him. Second we saw him. Second we saw one. That's Arlen. Yeah.

Because, yeah, they teased at the end of the last season. And I still wonder what's his deal, though, because what he has like some form of autism that we a lot of the traits they play into are seem like it's autism a lot a lot of the very specific like ritualistic

almost OCD can't handle certain noises seems more powerful than Vanya like off the back that's what they seem like they were alluding to in the last season that he could be but it seems like he because we kind of have to think that

he was like a mission to i think how how how much attention did he pay towards like when vanya would return and stuff like what year they were going to and all that you know i don't know but we have to think that what he got old because like what we're we're now in like 2019 or 22 oh yeah it would be like 60 years yeah yeah because he didn't go through time it would be a lot of years yeah because i think the interesting thing about the show is like they expect that you just watch season to because like they'll say some stuff like oh yeah like you know i watched it like two years ago like yeah yeah yeah for them it was like 20 days yeah since the beginning of season one

even though five looks like incredibly old yeah for 20 days but um yeah i think that um watching them go through time like that and um seeing what what vani has gone through or what victor's gone through that we uh we see that she hasn't they haven't had much time to really explore their powers and harland's had 60 years to kind of like hone his abilities good call good call so yeah i think he's killing it he's gonna be the MVP op i mean you put freaking bonya and oh oh victor sorry everyone didn't mean that getting canceled getting canceled I'm the only one who's probably made that mistake

who watches Umbrella Academy still wants to be respectful Victor apologies yeah but you put Victor and Harlan together they're unstoppable oh yeah plus Lila

oh yeah and Lila yeah stop anything yeah I mean Harlan alone messed up messed up all the Sparrow Academy right almost almost like burnt them to death seemingly like they're dead like uh i don't think they're dead spit girl in um blob boy yeah i dead i love the makeup on him though it looks cool it is great makeup on that one guy's gross but it's cool it's like yeah it is it is fantastic makeup and it doesn't look like it limits to the performer the actor right so do you think that hargraves is

do you think he's sick or do you think they're giving him like repression pills exactly Probably. It seems like they're drugging him up. Yeah, to make him weak. Yeah, yeah. I'm just wondering how they, yeah. How do they get to that point, though? Because he raised them.

So how did they get to the point where he started to control them? Or they started to control him versus him controlling them. I mean, they probably wised up and realized we're more powerful. Yeah. Who started that, though? Five kind of put him in his place when he was still around. What do you guys out at the end of episode one? Yeah.

Yeah, he was like, sit down. I mean, the Sparrow Academies, both the umbrella, and sparrow they have an ego problem but the sparrow is is much more they don't fight the biggest difference between them is they don't fight for hard graves approval yeah they don't they don't seem to give a shit about it that's true that it's all about them and they're the shit and hargraves is just a thing in their way and they just uses money and shit yeah you know so i i think that because they don't have that feeling because that's the number one thing hargraves had over them was they were constantly fighting to get approval and that's that's kind of what

unites them like that that brilliant scene in season two when they're all at the table and Luther rips open his shirt yeah yeah yeah yeah see they're like oh man i really hope we get drama like that in this season because right now it's kind of like intermittent everyone's like inner comp as that's the thing is i think with season two they established like great new starting points for each character and where they're at and here it's like it doesn't feel that the aim does not feel as strong with where our characters are at what because it's it's a simple basics of writing of just like what's their inner conflict and they have an external goal and then who will they have to change into by the time they

achieve said goal right and and hear him like it's kind of like all a little bit up in the air for a lot of them like it kind of feels more plot driven and less character driven and that's that's when this show really shines to me is when they make it like when it's truly weaved into both yeah i think the thing that this season's missing that the previous two seasons had is that we establish our group of main characters and their history and there is tension stemmed from the time that they spent apart. So, like, there's a lot of friction amongst the family themselves. And then in season two, you still have some of that friction plus them being separated and having to come back together. But by the end of season two, they're

all, like, uniform again, and they're the umbrella academy. So when you come into season three, having just come off the hills of that, there's no inner drama between the family themselves so they have to create an obstacle for these family to overcome and i don't think it's as interesting as them trying to emotionally combat one another yeah and it seems like it's kind of headed down another obvious path of by the end of the season they'll probably have to all work together again yeah i'm like okay yeah sure but again this is a stretch i kind of hope somehow we get rid of this bend and they somehow bring the other bend back to life uh that'd be nice yeah yeah yeah because this benning this man sucks this is benning it's just oh yeah because yeah because

i like the i miss the the the ben klaus dynamic there's that was really fun yeah but even like even like with klaus too you know we as much as we there's only so long we can watch like alcoholic klaus uh you know that there's still the part of what made his character so fascinating is is he's such a tortured soul yeah and right now i just feel like he's a funny guy it's like he's got the yellow it seems like they're looking for things to like make them more interesting but like even with luther like i really enjoy with luther he's so funny and he's so enjoyable but you know i've seen him like

fucking pine over um alison two seasons and now oh just a different girl you know i'm just finding over 20 days ago yeah i got some new woman it surprisingly just feels more yeah like it's just setting out to be fun and entertaining but not have that that there's there's there is a lack of truly gripping heft that's not quite but i know how people are when they watch their shows you know they they and probably people who are, like, strongly disagree with us. And, like, this is the best easy yet. What are you talking about? And sure, if you feel that way, that's your opinion.

I mean, you're wrong. Yeah. We're, if, I'm an influencer. I'm here to influence your opinion in a different direction. No, I'm just trying to give my, I give our opinion. That's all we can do. Here to be honest. All right, guys.

Well, thank you for being here. I got to get Aaron the fuck out of here. I got to get Aaron the fuck out of here. I got, um, yeah. Yeah, yeah, we've got to try it here. Thank you so much for being here. All right, all right. Moving right along.

Hope you guys are having fun because it is time for a cucklblitz. That's a fun word to say. Cougal blitz. Yeah, let's do it. What's happening there? Listeners, the Real Rejects. Aaron say hi. Hello.

Hello, that's that lovely voice of Aaron here. We are going to watch Umbrella Academy season three, episode of four. um yeah if you want to catch the reaction here because we're going to react to it if you want to catch your reaction you go to youtube.com slash the real rejects however uh if you don't care about that you just want to hear our thoughts stick around after this intro because that's how we do that's how we do yeah yeah oh man oh damn that was a great glass last new minute shit that was awesome damn umbrella yeah that's what i was gonna say this is the umbrella cammy i was missing god damn yeah it's like four episodes it took a while but fuck we got here yeah yeah that that was that was great that

that was really really great i mean we could just hop in a time we're gonna watch the next episode uh right away in real time so it was just talk just talk about it damn um you picked up on that theory that theory yeah it'll be a while it was like two seconds the reveal it i was like oh damn that's where we're going with it yeah man i'm like him looking at it and i was like it makes sense because he was he's been around this whole time and he said he goes off of the vibrations of it that's what i picked up on at least but then he'm causing it all at once i was like oh that's interesting i wonder why that happened why did that so it doesn't he have to be in the same vicinity no he's just stupid broken stupid powerful yeah more powerful than vanya

yeah let me you mean victor victor you're how Transphobia No one has ever made that mistake And I'm sure they haven't When talking about this show I am the first one Yeah, no, I think it was trippy Watching back go down

Because I was like, okay So he's the Catalyst for everything going down Which is caused by them Because they had to save the universe in the first place from Vanya in season one. So it's all connected.

I mean, even beyond that, Five is the one who is the founder? Yeah, the founder of all this. What is that paradox all about? Yeah, so it's like they're responsible for everything.

That is gnarly. That's a crazy twist because, yeah, the whole thing, I like five and Lila's chemistry and I like their scenes together but I kept one like okay come on we're just going we're going to get somewhere

yeah we're gonna speed this up a little bit come on I want to see what's happening here and then when they got to that reveal that is a really cool reveal to uncover that five is indeed the founder of the of the damn what's it called I forget the name of it the TVA

yeah essentially right the Bureau the Time Bureau yeah but it's saying don't save the world and it's such a it's such an antithesis setup for what you do with this character who's all about your five as a character you depend on to really help save the world and both of these seasons and now being told to do the opposite of that it's like there's this inevitability to it and i am liking i am liking how they they pair up lila and five uh and i do like the sloan girl speros sparrows not getting any better to me but uh spurs

By far still the worst part they're not getting any better. They're really, really unaffecting. I'm hoping they get, something happens to make them more interesting. But damn, that thing with Astray, that's not a name. Stanley, killing Claus. Seemingly killing Claus. Well, it seems like there was something that was seemingly, he shot him right through the center of the heart.

But he has a ghost powers. I don't know. He could do something, bring himself back. I mean, I think it's just the inevitability of the fact that Klaus has always his abilities to communicate with the dead, and now he's part of the dead. Yeah. I think I'm curious to see where that goes and how his power affects himself. Or, like, how is he going to communicate with his siblings if he is truly dead?

It is, like, a weird, like, there's this almost weird slice of life approach to this season sometimes. You know what I mean? Well, it's just like. Sometimes shit happens. Stanley, you're going to clean up the hotel. Klaus, just do it with him because no one wants to babysit you. They're bonding. Klaus is like, I have an opportunity at a new life.

I am bonding with this kid. They walk into a random room. Hey, this, um, what are those called those stuff? The animals almost, what does it call again? The, I don't know. What the hell are those called again? Oh my God. You know what I'm talking about.

Yeah, the animals, the dead animals. Yeah. And then picks up a harpoon. Kills him. It's like a random, like, sometimes that random shit just happens in life. Like, it's like so weird plotting. Like I would have never, ever predicted from the last episode that Close is going to hang out with Stanley. You know?

It's just a thing that just happened. Well, funny enough, actually for the time we have them, actually personally enjoyed their dynamic. Definitely. More than him and Diego's dynamic. I know something about like the child like Klaus with like a literal child that just really appealed to me.

Well, it started to make sense too of like pairing them up and in a lot of ways he probably is the one who could relate with Klaus because Klaus was such a troublemaker and was always acting out and also like you see that Stanley has an understanding of psychology but kind of

uses it to manipulate situations. instead of using it to become a better person. And I did appreciate their bond together. And I like this bookend of seeing like what really happened in that moment. Because I'm like, okay, he acted out. He thrashed the room, but we didn't really seem like that was that consequential. It's a good mislead, I think, in terms of your setup. Because in the beginning you're like, all right, you're watching what happened with,

sorry, guys. at the time of filming this I'm working off of two hours of sleep so um what's C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C and you're seeing okay here's what happened with them and when she ultimately died and then you watch him act out and that's kind of like the birth of that power

that Harlan has and that's what it just seems like it's all about and then to do that full reveal at the end the book ended with that, that is something ominous. And it creates a conundrum because you feel bad for him, you sympathize for him. He never asked for any of this.

Like he already had a tough enough life before he had powers. Yeah. And out of the, and it really does seem like he's just cursed. And he obviously didn't intend to kill anyone. Right. No, he's just a victim of circumstance,

but a dangerous victim of circumstance. Right. And now the Sparrow Academy is going after him. Now it's like, how does Victor handle this situation himself now? Yeah, does Victor tell the rest of the team? Like, does he protect? Just protect Harlan because he feels responsible for everything.

Very, yeah, very interesting sort of dynamics we're playing with here. And like how the story is unfolding. It's like the tensions are raising. And somehow now we're finally getting to the meat of what's going on in the story. I know each one has kind of been the end of the world, but somehow they continue to. raise the stakes in a more believable zany way and it's it just progressively gets more enjoyable this season took a little bit to get started with that but as we i think the the rate from

not enjoying it to enjoying it is like exponentially like steeper than previous seasons true true i mean harland stepping in just like was kind of a game changer i think for the momentum of this season true i feel that as well you know killing off the sparrow two memos or the the of the Barrow Academy and the aggressive conflict, I, I, I, it's like, sometimes Alice, when Allison did give her speech to Diego in the car, I'm like, all right, I get it. Yeah, I get why you're okay. Yeah, because for a while I was like, yeah, you can't get on my nerves, but then I'm like, ah, no, no, you got to make a good point.

It's funny. She didn't actually bother me as much in this episode because I feel like we're seeing a different note from her. Granted, I have a, weirdly enough, I have a similar issue with, with Obi-Wan, but I think the fact that they did something that was illogical but brought it to a place that was

that felt like it was fresh I think that really resonated and I really enjoyed watching that yeah I can't I don't want to spoil this for like how I related to Obi-Wy-Wan but like yeah I I felt that that it was

good it was good stuff what are you doing hello and I want to go close to your mouth close to my mouth Like that? Yeah, you want to talk that pervert voice?

Yeah, baby. I'm Ben. I'm number one. I'm like a weird anime character. Yeah, he's totally like an anime character. But not cool or intimidating. I need to be the leader. Prove my worth.

There's no rest for my voice. I enunciates to these faces. You've got an attitude problem. My clothes are too tight. I'm so annoying. So frustrating. I do like the chemistry a lot with Sloan and Luther.

I do like their chemistry. Like, I do think there's not much writing happening with her either. It's very thin. Very thin. Yeah, everything with the Sparrow Academy, incredibly thin. You'd think they would give it more of a shit for them. it still bothers me um but um but the actress i feel really elevates that role 100% helps that she's hot too but she's really good she's really generally good she's really

working with her their chemistry is really solid and there she does bring more of a depth to the performance that makes her more engaging to watch like i'm making jokes like yeah she is a good looking person but um if she was just good looking i would be sitting here going like she's just good looking but is kind of a more character but she makes the character more interesting like i really enjoyed that moment i thought her performance was good when she was dealing with the rumor situation or when she is i believe her and luther's chemistry and i believe the moment when she is going up to them being like i want to stop this if you want to rumor me you can't just rumor me like i whatever it takes to end this i will yeah and uh i'm hoping she comes out of this alive yeah i was

gonna say like them being in the same place is is paradoxical alone so how do they how do they reconcile past this season how do they evolve their relationship path this season because i'm really rooting for them i'm like oh you guys are like the one good thing that's like positive out of this whole experience of the timeline situation of this season so i'm like i want to see their progression i want to see luther be happy with someone other than a sister yeah i think i think that it took a while for this season to kind of get like a good pulse about it because it's like season two is a

really like an immediate pulse, you know? Solid season. We're trapped in the 60s. We need to get back to the timeline because we got to prevent an apocalypse happening. Like just immediate, you know? Yeah. And then character exploration along the way and here I'm like, I don't know what

direction we're going. What are we doing here? What's the path here? And now it's start, even right now i'm still like a little bit like i don't know where this is going to go i don't know what i don't know what the goal is here right now other than to fix this space time you know and the goal is to fix the space time continuum problem but everyone's yet to be involved in that space time continual problem so i just lila and and five know about it but that's what i'm going to watch next

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All right, now that we're back, Continue, Aaron. Yes. Yeah, the tension between the family went. Very professional. I totally interrupted you and you were just going right into it. Beautiful, baby. That's how we do.

A scene. Now, I think that the tension between the family has only risen, you know, it's kind of bringing us back to some season one kind of energy between the mistrust between the family, you know, everyone being in like a distracted headspace, kind of fighting when there's like this bigger tension and this bigger. problem coming to one head of vanya victor keeping secrets from the family so i'm a bitch disrespectful this freaking respectful disrespectful i'm not human i don't make mistakes i don't man i thought there's a lot of there's a lot going on in this episode uh it was interesting

seeing klaus kind of come back and with the revelation of the fact that he can just die over and over and over and over again. We have a lot of interesting revelations ahead of us. Lila, come back and join the team is really cool. I also liked watching five having to come back and like kind of be the dick roll again as he has been in previous seasons. Yeah, that's, that's my thoughts right now.

What did you think, Greg? Dude, everything you said, a thousand percent. This season's interesting because so far, it were five episodes in and it feels the most like a play than any of the other seasons the set pieces everything's kind of like real simple you know it's mainly just them in a room kind of chit-chatting that's like most of this show so far whereas the other seasons especially season two but i'd say season one as well they they really go like around locations whether that be through flashbacks exploring stuff I didn't picked up on that but that's very interesting it is it is like okay you know

the beginning montage of the last episode with CC yeah that's how a lot of the other seasons were where you you really kind of all two of them well still no no but it's a lot of episodes that are like there's a lot more action set pieces there's a lot more of that high energy and there's a lot more going from location to location and here it seems more restricted and I was kind of one about what the filmmaking on this was it like did they film this during the pandemic even with the bar scene with um Diego and Allison they don't really show you that scene yeah it's just like quick little slow motion flashes of like did you actually shoot this at a bar you know yeah yeah I feel like in previous

seasons they definitely would have showed that brawl go down yeah they would have showed like the full-on action sequences so it is kind of fascinating how it's it's mainly just them talking but even like the set pieces they don't they don't feel as extravagant as before like even in going into like klaus in the afterlife pretty simple stuff you know yeah i hadn't picked up on that but yeah now that you say that i think yeah no it's mainly the same locations whether it's the house the basement the different rooms in the hotel and we got to see klaus go to like a beach that was cool that was different so i mean it's like it's simple it's like simple locations a quick little field a beach talking yeah i feel like they definitely

had to have filmed during covid and that's why they kept it so so concise yeah i feel like it's a little bit more constrained than the other seasons and so setting at the hotel because i keep wondering like what is this hotel there's a there's gotta be a deeper purpose to this hotel seems like that's what they were alluding to here it's fascinating it's like i can't tell if i love this the fact that this scale of this season is significantly smaller thus far than the other ones if I really like that or not because the plot of it is bigger because it's about the universe imploding on itself yet the scale of how they shoot this is so much more is so much smaller you know as mainly this is them going to rooms and talking look they do that though for like in previous seasons the first season it was the house the second season it was the um that guy that was helping them like they were talking that that little area his i'm not saying they don't do that i'm saying that they do that and so much more and and now it's like it's all it's mainly just that you know

granted in like the other seasons they're more separated each one of the characters and here they're all contained at this hotel so i guess it makes sense to keep it a little little bit more contained. The other seasons when it came to like the apocalypse being a threat, I really felt that. Whereas this time around, while I really like this episode, it's the universe, yet I don't really feel the stakes of that. And even like the way the characters are kind of responding to it or like, yeah, we're just kind of casual. Just gotta do it. You know, that's what we do. Whereas the other two seasons, I really felt the steak. of the apocalypse around the corner and having to fight against the clock and here it's

kind of like all right here we go again I feel like this episode is really getting everybody closer to being on the same page because they started off together and then they were split off and now we're starting to see them come together again for this specific purpose like we're focusing up you know because they in the previous episode or previous two episodes Lila and five were off at the future the bureau and whatnot and then klaus was with uh with the dad doing over the fuck with sloane but now they're coming coming back together for this purpose of trying to get things in order trying to fix what's wrong yeah timeline you know so yeah i don't know that's what they do

yeah that's what they do that's what they do yeah that's what they do yeah that's how they go about I love seeing Diego and Lila and little Stanley all together. That was adorable. I liked watching them all together. I was a little uncomfortable with the Allison scene. With Allison and Luther, where she forced him to almost have sex with her. That was something. This was more of a setup episode for me than like a big game changer of like, oh shit, shit's going down.

But I enjoyed the setup because I know it's going to lead to something better. What I really like my favorite part is the whole thing with Victor and Harlan. I find that to be the most compelling central conflict that they have to deal with because I really sympathize for Harlan. I think the actor is doing a really great job, whoever that guy is. And I think Elliot Page's performance is really, I'm really gravitated towards that there's so much internally going on with him. Throughout this whole struggle of trying to, you know, in the other two seasons,

uh vanya is is the is the one to kind of be in the first season it's like uh vanya you don't have the powers and this one and the second season is like vanya is the threat we got to be you got to be worried about who vanya is you know can't make vanya blow up and then here uh victor is is um there's a lot of trust put in victor victor is trying to be a hero and and do the right thing and and there's no there's no concern about victor blowing up or messing anything up i like that of victor just trying to be the level head of one and do the right thing and save a life and and also do retribution for the consequences of his actions from years ago for this person i think elia page's performance is brilliant this timer it had like always been good but especially for me this time run i think

elli did play just an excellent job i find that really refreshing and i like the i like seeing Allison, go down a darker path. I'm fascinated by the overall direction of it because I'm still trying to get, I feel like we're five episodes in and I'm still trying to get a feel and I feel like every time we talk about it so far, we're just like, yeah, no,

it's starting to go somewhere. Like every other episode. Yeah, I'm starting to get, I'm starting to see where it's going. I'm starting to understand what they're doing. I feel like we're saying that every episode. Yeah, no, that's true. You know, and I'm like, but we're five

episodes in. Shouldn't we kind of have a clearer, clear emotional association right now with how we're really feeling about this season overall? I think that that's why I like the Harlan and Elliot Pate and Victor situation, because that feels the most different comparatively to this repeat beat of, that's like saving the universe and saving the world is not that different. No, yeah. That's like the niche of like the show. But yeah, they got to, if they're going to do a season four, they got to change it up to make the stakes higher. But yeah, I'm like the, we're different. Some of the conversations and the debates are not all that different. So I like the whole thing with Diego and the kid. Speaking of the kid, I thought he was really good this

episode. Like when he had to confess to his dad what he did and he was scared to go to jail. He was like coming to tears. I'm like, okay, Astray. I'll see you flexing them acting muscles. Do you not like him in the other episodes? I thought it was okay. Oh, really? That's been great every every episode. I thought he's been good. He didn't do anything that like wowed me.

But I was like, yeah, he's, he's, it's hard for children actors to like really sell it. But I feel like he's doing a good job. This one for me, he brought the drama and I was like, I like it. I like the gravitas of this child. I thought he's been doing a really good job, but I know what senior talking about when he is like crying and I'm trying to get a better sense of the character.

The Klaus thing is, Really fascinating because how does that affect the character moving forward? Yeah, no, because he kind of limits a He's a little bit of stake with him, you know, like oh, he's gonna be fine. Yeah, no Yeah, yeah, like no matter what happens to him. We're just like okay, like it'll be fine. I'll be alright Unless there's a rule to it that we're yeah, maybe like so they did mention like the head getting cut off things. I think that would stop it for him. Okay, I think I figured out what what makes this season very different to it's something kind of actually simple. They're trying to problem solve something but they're usually either really in a chase or on the run in the other seasons, you know? I'm not trying to make it, I'm trying to figure out

like what is the vibe that's feel so different about this because like, you know, in season one, it was a hazel and chacha going after five and there was really a race against the clock. There's no active threat for them for the team. Yeah, it seems like there's a lot of stuff that they want to do, but there's not enough time to give it all the intentant they want.

Like we went, like we saw Hardgrade. Was this episode or last episode? Hargraves but then I don't know but he's barely in it yeah but he doesn't really play a central role as much as you think he would given that he started this whole new family even then they mentioned it also what I was trying to say earlier was the fact that he killed 27 mothers when he had like his freak out do we remember how many mothers there were initially who had birth I thought it was 27 when he killed all the moms 40 something I think I'm been 40 so maybe he killed half the moms they didn't kill Ben's mom I thought Ben was like one

the OJ? No, he should have killed Ben's mom. And that's a good question, actually. That is a good question, yeah, because Ben was part of the O.G, it was part of the U.G. was part of the U.S. Academy. Hopefully, they didn't create a pot hole for themselves. Or maybe it had something to do with who Harlan was able to interact with when he was a kid? Possibly.

I don't think he killed 27 moms. There's only six people in the umbrella academy. I don't know. That's kind of just some bullshit. I don't know. I'm not going to get, come blocked. Whatever. He killed the umbrellas, mom.

Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Let's move on with that. That's what I mean is like, it's weird. I feel like it should feel like this should be the most personal one, considering the fact that we're not really doing a lot of action. We're not really doing a lot of location hopping. It's mainly just them talking about shit, you know, whether it be science mumbo-jumbo, time travel,

or what one is feeling. And I feel like it should be the most personal. But by the time it got to the debate of, oh, we should kill Harland, I found there was a lack of dramatic pulse to it for some reason. It was like, kind of been there, done that. Yeah, but it's not exciting or tense. It's just another, it just suddenly felt like another piece of information for the plot instead of like... Something real. Yeah, until it became, you know, something for Victor to really have to, like, that is my favorite stuff.

far as Victor and Harlan. I think that is just the most compelling part of it, of it all. And whereas this other, there's something, I think there's like a lack of a, of a proper narrative focus, but maybe it all come together in the end. Yeah. Netflix designs are shit to be binged. We're halfway through. I've never rewatched the first two seasons. So it's not like I'm married to them in, in this sense of like, you know, here's exactly why they're great. But they've stuck with me long enough to know why they're, you know, to know why they're, you know, to know why they work so well, you know, I've never rewatched them. Sometimes, yeah, it does feel like repetitive.

And then I thought what would make this refreshing is instead of being chased by someone, whereas like the last season, it was the Swedes and Lila's ma handler, you know, like you have that situation, which it's created like, someone's coming, someone's coming, and here you got the sparrows who don't feel like a threat. I think it might be kind of what the missing piece is for me is the sparrows don't feel like a threat like okay then what's the threat blitz thingy around like the blitz thing he's not a character it's just a thing yeah that's also what's missing i feel like the previous two seasons had a sense of lore and mystery to them yeah but they're not really building the lore of what was going on because

like the first two seasons really had the the bureau and their whole thing and like what's what's their whole deal yeah and then like the mystery of like who's gonna end the world or how's the world going to end but everything's pretty much told you from the beginning so it kind of cuts the tension of the mystery thing that they had, but they're still having the end of the world crisis. I'm enjoying it, and I think the actors are still bringing their A game. It feels a little bit more soap opery

than maybe my taste buds would care for right now. I kind of get the sense there's been like some COVID issues that happen with this. There's just something that sort of gives off that vibe. It definitely is not as exciting as the other ones because there's nothing really coming after them other than like, there's something in the basement that's a thing. That's just kind of boop every once in a while.

The Sparrow Academy is like kind of a threat, but not really. I think that's kind of like the biggest problem is that thought like, oh, the Sparrow Academy is probably going to be the threat then. But there's nothing, but like the, at the time you check in with like Ben and fucking Raven lady, they're just like, oh, what do you do? Yeah. Like, I don't know, like you guys, you guys could die right now and it wouldn't change the show for. There's a, yeah, there's a superhero team with no threat. Yeah, I mean, it's like there is a threat, but the threat is no, like, physical antagonist.

The threat is not a character. Yeah, it's just a thing. I like it, but there is, there is something that doesn't, it's, it doesn't feel as, it's like, I'm down for slower and, and more introspective, more intimate stuff, but it doesn't even feel like it's quite that either. Even though we're not doing as money things feels like a lot of what they talk about is. mainly plot stuff or very expositional things about how they're feeling instead of like nuanced character moments you know like that's kind of and i feel like i really mainly get that with harlan and victor that's mainly what i what i get from them even like lila coming back to to dego in this episode and like kissing me like what are you doing and then like they they kiss and like oh the

end of the world. Like, this is, it's not technically jarring, but for some reason it feels jarring. It just lacks the tension that you would hope. It lacks earning that moment. I feel that. You know what I mean? It would have made a difference if in the previous scene, we saw Lila being affected by the information she was learning about the end of the world again.

Yeah, they're like, the characters don't really care, so why should we care? And that's kind of their attitude here. So then when Lila shows up and kisses Diego and is like, oh, my god, the end of the room, like, the previous scene I saw you when you did not have this emotion. I don't feel like this, this moment was quite earned. Yeah. I also don't, didn't get why certain characters are making certain choices. Like, why did Victor send a Harlan with Allison?

And I also thought the timing was kind of weird because we just saw her have this weird scene with Luther. And then the next scene, she's taking Harlan off to go somewhere. Yeah, right now I'm feeling like stuff happens. Yeah. Things are happening. And sometimes it's really interesting and sometimes it just feels like stuff happens. Sometimes it makes sense. Other times, we just need plot to move.

Because I mean, it's not like that for every episode, but this episode, especially for a part five that had so much in it. I've heard that some people really like this season a lot. I've heard some people say this is the worst season. I don't think it's awful. It's not. No, I still enjoy the characters, but it's definitely missing something. And I find myself just kind of like trying to figure out what that is when we talk about it. All the character interactions and, you know, these people have been playing these characters

for years now. So they're all out there A game with it. I just feel that the lack of direction is kind of, I don't know if it's fair to them. I don't know if it's fair to the audience. Granted, it's still entertaining to watch because the writing is good for the characters. Like, when Diego does something, it's still funny, you know. or when five and klaus have an interaction it's still very much in the vein of like how those two characters interact so like all that stuff gets us along through this plot that's kind of like okay

what are we doing where we're going curious to see where the pogo thing goes because we saw him at the very end how is he playing to to all of this because last time we saw pogo he was like a little baby yeah it's true yeah and that he's part of a biker gang he must have abandoned it uh he must have abandoned And Hargraves must have abandoned him. Yeah, maybe the way it went so soft. Even though it's like the location-wise, it's the most contained. It still feels like the plot feels the most scattered. And I don't understand how that's happening.

It's a conundrum. It's a weird season. It's a weird season. I like Sloan the actress, but I'm like, I don't know who the hell she is. I don't know who any of the sparrows are. I'm like, what do you like? Why are you heroes? Do you enjoy being heroes?

Why is Ben like such an asshole? Right. Still have yet to find that out. Like such an asshole. Even when the Raven Girl is like, we should probably be working with them. This is bigger than us. He's like, no, Ben, Ben words. I'm like, why? Who I, like, I don't understand who you are.

That's like some one-note ass shit that's going to be. That's like really bad. It's really, it's not good. I'm trying to figure out what it is that I'm not, that's not quite clicking with me without just railing into it. But the Ben thing is, is terrible. That is the one thing I'll be, like, confident.

Like, this is not good. Especially to have your cliffhanger be a sparrow academy and burns alive. To do this, I consider it a big failure of this season. Tell me what you really feel. That was, that was, come on, that was like such a cliffhanger. It really was. Not just the Sparrow Academy, but that bends alive. And they turned them into this.

Like, come on. That's awful. Yeah, it was pretty much a letdown. Which bums me out, because that was super exciting. Unless there's a massive turnaround in the last five episodes. Right, he just completely flips to a different guy. Yeah, and it becomes more nuanced in some capacity because, yeah, this is not flying with me right now. But I don't know.

I mean, we have to wait. I always like seeing five do five things, you know? I think he's always like the one that's the most outside of the group because he's the truest adult of all of them. like the character's viving, you know? I mean, everything is kind of like, yeah, it's fine. It's fine. That's just a whole, that's my general. I thought like we were going to have like a massive turnaround after the, the cliffhanger

of the last episode. Yeah, when, yeah, when Klaus died, like, you saw us. Like, what the hell? And they immediately cut the tension of that. Claus dying, Harland being revealed what he really did. I was like, damn, oh my God, finally. Umbrella Academy is really back. Thank God.

And then I'm like, ah, shit, we're back to this. It's good, just not quite the level that I'm like, no, no, are you, you seem like you're really on up. And now we're back to kind of the middle of the road. Yeah, we're also watching this episode by episode. So maybe they're just like, I know that we're going to have some shit ones, but like the whole season's going to be awesome. Maybe. I don't know. I've been really like, I really liked, yeah, it's just kind of hit or miss for me.

I feel pretty strong about every episode about what I think about it, you know? It's like, it's kind of a blur to me already, but I'm like, I think there was like a couple episodes. I was like, that was really good. I think there was like, was they said about episode two or something? I don't know. Yeah, episode two and episode four. I feel like I've said that, but, well, I'm like, I don't remember the feeling of that anymore. It really feels like every other episode.

Yeah, that's awesome. And then we're like, okay, we're fucking back. Because every, because those episodes that feel really good leave with the feeling of, here we go. It's all the even episodes. We're back in the journey. And then like, it's like, ah, shit. No, I just, I guess it's starting to get good.

Or like starting stopping, starting stopping. Yeah, that we had this unnecessarily long-ass conversation with herself. That emotional than all of us to do it. So you can go with a clearer head. Anyways, we can see in this show. What do you guys think about it? Yep. All right.

We're thanking you, Aaron, for being here. We'll see you guys soon. All righty, folks. Moving right along. Season three, episode six is called Marigold. Here's the review right now. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my God.

This is crazy. I'll get this out of the way. This is bananas. Ben did not bother me. He didn't bother me this episode. He didn't bother me at all. He wasn't his angsty. He was like, all right.

Not a bad, not bad Ben. Even though he's nowhere near the highlight of this episode or the focus. No. But I was just on him. I'm like, hey, they're just on me. He didn't bother me at all this episode. Allison didn't bother me this episode either. I was like, okay.

All right, they're getting a little better. I know some people who just like this whole season. still a mess of them Allison Allison really she didn't bother me as much this season you know what as much as we've been complaining about this season

the one thing I do think I appreciate is the fact that she's been rumoring a lot more than previous seasons yeah she's actually using her power which I'm like okay cool yeah if she had a Twitter she like audio rumor stuff

I heard a rumor that you know Hugh Jackman's in the next MCU movie can't can't can she make shit like that she just controls the narrative of Hollywood from her phone you can stupid powerful all right let's talk about it yeah I liked that episode I liked it a lot I think it's been the best episode so far pretty great one I like this season overall I do um like it's like when I don't like it when I'm not liking it I'm really not liking it and then when I'm liking it I'm really liking it so whatever the lasting feeling is is

the feeling I associate with this season so I'm like if I don't really like an episode I'm like man this season if I really like I'm like that's a good episode it's always been the even so far so we're about to hit an odd I mean there are people who love every episode but it's interesting living in this

superhero age because everyone seems to be on the same page about multi-dimensions and smashing shit together multiverses timeline everything is doing even freaking Superman and Lois is doing it right now so yeah It's just kind of crazy to see how everything's been doing that.

And I do like how they are mixing things up. You know, there's some stuff I could feel could use a little bit more, you know, meat to really motivate certain choices. Like, like Luther putting on the sparrow outfit. Like, I know you like the sparrows and you're really in love with Sloan. And maybe that's enough to motivate it. I still feel like I could use something that really demonstrate. It's like, you know, the sparrows are something better to join than the umbrella.

There's no defining, like, turning point for him to be like, okay, I've had enough of my family. I need to switch sides. Yeah, let me fix this for you. So I'm a crackling. You can hear the crackling. Yeah, there you get it. It's better. Yeah, there's no defining thing.

Oh, that does something a lot better. Yeah, you can hear it now. It's really directional. Yeah, so that's kind of the thing that was a little missing for me. But I like what it does as a plot maneuver for creating some tension with our characters. 100%. No, I think it's, yeah, I think it's really interesting the way the season's been playing out, you know, especially as we're getting into the crux of what's actually going on.

Like we had the introduction of the Guglplex or whatever the frigate's called. Cougal. Cigleplex. Cougal Blitz. Cigle Blitz. Cagle Blitz. The Wetzel pretzel. Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, man, I think I like how each of our characters are growing and exploring these different aspects of themselves that have kind of brought them to this point that feels, it's starting to feel a little bit more natural. Like I know the beginning I felt was like a little rocky, but now we're starting to get into places that make sense for these characters. And yeah, I think the foundation of my enjoyment of this show has been from the characters that we have been following. Like granted, the plot only elevated that, but I think. Even if the show is not firing in all cylinders, the characters themselves will make it work for me. Like, this season hasn't been my favorite season that we've seen so far, but I've never not enjoyed it overall. Like, the characters are enough to make me still want to continue to watch. And watching where everybody is and the motivations they have for why they're doing what they're doing really elevates how we're going about things.

Like, I really enjoy the Klaus and Hargrave stuff. I like seeing Five Unite with Pogo again. Allison is starting to become a real threat because of the pain she's going through. And we're seeing a whole new layer to her, which we didn't really get to see her as, like, a forefront character in previous seasons, which, granted, no matter how you feel whether she's, like, a little too angsty or you're into this new direction, it's starting to affect the plot in meaningful ways, in big ways. I'm pretty sure she killed Harlan or just like, whoa, you know, like she's not, I don't never know her to be like a straight up murderer before. I thought we've seen thus far. Yeah, well, I mean, maybe she didn't kill him, but just remember him to be unconscious or something.

His eyes were open, though. Yeah, rebered him to be like, I heard you were unconscious with your eyes. I heard you play dead. I try to give benefits of the doubt. But no, I can see her killing. I mean, I get it. Her whole reality, she's, since the beginning of the show, because her. people who really hate her this season and maybe she just gets worse um but i i could see how her mind

broke because you know at at of anyone in this if i'm not mistaken like from the first season you know she was the she was like an actress who was like a working like as a famous person and she made it the best out of all of them yeah and then when she goes back in time she finds love and it finds racism didn't exist before actually she's uprooted it found it yeah Uh, so she's always, so she found love and, yeah, because I remember things were going to go with her. She was like separated from her husband or something in the first episode, first season, or divorced, but she had her kid. So she lost, like, her child and the love of her life and the spouse. And then I could see her mind, like, shattering, just completely breaking to the point of, like, I, I guess, out of all things I've been critical of of not loving a lot of certain choices. I've weirdly. adjusted to Allison faster than I feel like a lot of people have.

I'm like, no, I kind of get it, you know? Yeah, I think it clicked for me in this episode. We're like, granted, I did have my issues with how the character was moving and her actions, but I knew that it was stemmed from a point of pain. But seeing Ray and her on the swings really hit it home for me. And I think that made me realize why I haven't really been liking Ben so much the seasons, because all of the Sparrow Academy, we don't know. much about them outside of what we're seeing in the present. So they haven't anchored them

in a point of empathy for us to like them or dislike them because we don't, granted, we dislike them, but like we don't have like, they don't feel fleshed out. They don't feel like people. They just feel like some sort of opposition without depth to them. Well, that's why I like the Hargraves reveal here that I think it's really cool how they managed to take that meaningful thing of Klaus and Hargraves bonding with each other. to Klaus helping out Hargraves, and the way you see it in the lens of the Umbrella Academy, at least from Klaus' perspective especially, is that they are abusing Hargraves. Yeah.

And they are taking advantage of him and suppressing him because the Sparrow Academy is all evil. And then come to find out that they were actually doing probably the best choice inspired by Pogo. to suppress him because he's truly evil and he's got a real kind of mess like i don't really understand the details of this oblivion plan but it's called oblivion right it can't be good can't be a good thing and and even in the way hardgraves is acting and going back to his old self like i think that's a cool it's it's rather insidious in the way everything was kind of creeping up where, you know, Klaus reunites at Hargraves

in this episode, and it seems like it's going to be really tender, but like, oh, my God, he's back to being all messed up again. And then seeing the flashbacks prior to, you know, when Pogo was still around, that Hargraves really is, he's actually worse in this timeline. Yeah. He's worse than he was before, whereas, like, the whole time they've had us fooled

that Hargraves is actually a better human being, but he's not. He's actually a worse person. Yeah. And I think that's a really neat reveal. They're like, oh, crap, he's actually evil, and Klaus actually mess us all up. You know, and I think that is a really cool twist to throw on us.

And back to the Luther thing really quick. The thing that saves it is the fact that I like his chemistry with Sloan, and I really like Tom Hopper's performance a lot. I think it's a really strong performance. Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, Vanya and Victor, no, nope, messed that up. Sorry, guys. Victor and I'm a Justin I apologize

We're Justin wrong okay Victor and and Harlan right there you go yes keeping up with a bunch of names here Victor Harlan and I I guess I'm just remembering it wrong I could have sworn that Victor told Harlan that to not say anything and that he wasn't going to say something that victor said he wasn't going to say something but i don't know i guess i just remembered it wrong i think yeah i think he just said that he's going to keep harland safe i don't think he ever said that he's going to not say anything to the other umbrella academy or i think when they left off victor said i'm uh i'll tell them but i don't think victor told that told harlan that he never

actually said anything yeah which you know added to the the complexity of of these characters' dynamics and the fact that Victor already harbors in so much guilt for all the things that he's done over the course of the season. So he just blames himself for their mom's getting killed, which is why he wouldn't say anything, both because he blames himself and because he cares for Harlem because it's the love of his life's son. Yeah. Well, what are you going to do? Why ain't going to do? Shit happens, man. Get over it

And then this whole thing with Diego and Lylem I didn't realize it wasn't called oblivion from the start It was what was an obsidian And then the other side is Oblivion Hotel Oblivion

Yeah I don't know what's going on I hope they explain it Because that was confusing as shit It looks like obviously Alternate dimension But like I don't know What's going on over there Or what that Reaper kind of character is

Yeah I wonder if that's the next step For the show Because we've gone to We've gone back in time We've got an alternate timelines, I wonder if it's multiverse now, alternate dimensions. Maybe that's season four. I mean, it's clearly an alternate dimension. Yeah, you know.

Or it's just the other side of the hotel. It's the exclusive side, the BIP side. Well, I mean, the thing with Lila and the whole thing about Stanley not being his actual kid. That was messed up. That's really messed up, man. Yeah. I really like them as father and son, too. Yeah, man.

As someone who's experienced something similar to that, they really are really, hit me in the you raised a kid no i got i got i thought i was going to have a kid to find that i wasn't having a kid that's for another time though sounds like a different story it felt similar you're talking about i know what's what you're talking about she told them that it was his kid and then it wasn't his kid yeah i need to clarify because people were probably going to can i clarify a little bit sure yeah yeah someone basically told Aaron that they were going to have a kid, but it was a lie just to test Aaron out. And Aaron, it was a prank.

Aaron had been fooled for quite a significant amount of time into thinking this was really going to happen. But this person then confessed that they only did it to. To test my character. To test the Cia. Which is what Lila did to test Diego's character. Yeah, yeah. I didn't want it to sound like it was something else.

Yeah, because it could sound like something else. Okay, that's fair. Yeah, but yeah, that is, that is what happened. The, the, the bridge version of what happened. Yes. Yeah. So I get you on that. I thought it was funny.

What happened to you, not them? Yeah, of course, naturally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was laughing on the inside, but I'm going crazy on the outside. No, that is so messed up. That is messed up. I don't know. I remember to understand the point of her doing that.

Yeah, I don't know. Like, she's been around for decades. Right. Like, what? I don't know, man. But, you know, at least it brought them back together. And our little home boy is dead. Or he's gone for right now, you know.

Cougal Blitz. Cougal Blitz. He got blitzed. But he died with, like, the perfect landing of a slushy, which I was very impressed by. Yeah. I, I don't know. I'm waiting to see a lot of these pans out. But I like the direction it's going now, especially now more of the cards have been revealed.

Now that there's a mystery and, like, we actually are starting to find out, like, what's actually going down. There's a level of intrigue beyond the characters at this point. Yeah, and there's also like a lot of twist and turns and like Pogo coming back and knowing more that the fact that, because Pogo had always been loyal to Hargraves. Yeah. But in this timeline for Pogo to leave, you know, because Hargraves is so far gone from being anything remotely human. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I think my question at this point is, why would Hargraves raise, continue to raise a superhero team like you did in the original? timeline just for him to have some sinister ulterior motive well that's what we've got to find out we haven't seen the episodes yet i'm just like can a man ponder can't a lot of questions shit can a man ponders got a man wonder not in this day and age thoughts get you canceled now man you better be careful with what you ponder what you ask questions about too many damn questions disappear. But no, he said something at the beginning of the episode, like, prepare

for extinction or something like that. True. Prepare for the end, which is like, clearly foreshadowed him to something. So he would be oblivion, obviously, but what does that mean and why? You know, we know that he's an alien. They haven't really touched or talked about that at all

in this season, but I figure that's going to come something into play with what we're going to see going forward in the next four episodes. So the oblivion plan entails, and that must be what the, when Pogo was showing, like, you know, some type of alien symbols and language in front of, I'm going to sit in with five. And then even at one point, you know, he does say, like, what humanity when Pogo is arguing with him. So there's some hints of that there's more to come to unveil about that, but I'm liking it. I am. I do like it.

And, you know, there's often a very black and white thinking when it comes. comes to how people perceive opinions on YouTube or in general, but no, overall, I am liking it and I'm not, I don't, I don't dislike it. You know, there have been some things that have been pretty hit or miss for me, more so than the other seasons, but overall, I'm still enjoying it and still want to finish it. Yeah, it's, uh, it's great. It's only turning up the heat, not as fast as the other seasons did, but, you know, now that we're here, now that we're literally in the middle and the thick of it. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, man. I can't wait to see where we go.

Can't wait to see how this ride turns out. You got a third one? You got a third one? Can't wait to see how the gang flips it around. That wasn't strong. Can a man ponder? Can I have some time to think of a better one? All right.

All right, guys. Well, thank you for being here. Thanks, Sarah, for stopping on by. and you got a busy schedule with yourself. Guys, what did you think? Leave your thoughts down below. Hey, we will catch you all soon. All right, all right, all right.

Time for episode seven of season three. Alvita Zane. Enjoy, enjoy. Getting close to the end. Damn, that was like one million percent the best episode of this season thus for. bar. I was like, by a lot.

Oh, wow. That fired on all cylinders. Man, listen, we got a lot to, bottom line. Normally we spend like 20 to 30 minutes talking about these episodes, but we got a few more to go through. So we don't want to talk for too long because there's more coming up this week that it has to be covered. So it's just, it's very jam-packed. So normally we obviously, like my favorite part. is actually doing the reviews and unfortunately we just can't really talk for too long so we'll keep

it relatively short but um Aaron what did you think about this episode oh man I thought this episode was incredible from all the character development we got to see from the highs and lows of each relationship to how this ended with things getting significantly worse than what we just saw yeah I think this is the strongest one hands down that we've seen I really liked last episode but yeah this episode just continued to top the momentum of where the show's going it started off pretty rough and it broke the curse of the odd episodes being kind of okay and the even episodes being good i'm like no it's just going full steam from here and i'm really on board for it uh i really enjoyed the klaus and hardgrave stuff i thought that was was uh something that started off like a little like uh untrustworthy but then turned to be really sweet and really thoughtful uh i really enjoyed watching Lila get to bond with the family and like that Diego and Lila scene really touched me and got me in an emotional place. Yeah, I like to see them all celebrate their false victory for a second.

Like I liked seeing the levity of this family unite again. And yeah, just the tension moments felt very real and authentic. I really, really vied with a lot of the stuff in this episode. Yeah, I think that what this episode really gave that, I mean, I was kind of saying this about the I think it was around the fifth episode was even though I overall have been enjoying the season it hasn't particularly felt exciting and even though there's been some that I thought were great exciting was never the emotion I would ever associate with any of the episodes and even for the ones I really liked but this one had it this one was really exciting this was like a really exciting episode and it still was very character driven and nuance like the development of Hargreaves and klaus and especially with klaus getting to because i was kind of flashing to the beginning of season two when they had the apocalypse um flash forward when everyone was like power unleashed and klaus i remember had that moment where he like unleashed the ghosts yeah and i'm like we've never

come close to seeing him get to that level of power yet and this kind of introduces that of him being able to do that and I like this kind of back and forth that the this episode gave us with hard graves of do we trust this guy or not because there seems to be a lot implying not to and but he sells it so much on keeping that sternness but sincerity combined that I believe he's genuine in the moment and that he cares about Klaus and wants to do right but then I'm like I don't know though you know there's been other moments when the umbrella academy is not around or the sparrow academy for that matter that seem to indicate that he's still messed up but he's got some other plan up his sleeve and the fact that he's off his meds and oblivion that we of course learned about with pogo it just seems like there's a there's a lot um but even like i mean the thing that kind of um alison frustrates me at the same time i do kind of get it i i think ultimately i get it it's just It's annoying.

Yeah, I get it. It's annoying. That goes for Allison, that goes for Ben. And I know you're really viving with it. I just feel like the, the Luther stuff's happening way fast, man. Yeah, I watch a whole show. So fast. You got to watch Love is blind.

Do you know what this show is? Love is blind. It's like about people who connect with one another without actually seeing each other and then meeting him like, oh, I love you. And they propose. Yeah. And then there's a couple of them. I won't say who.

who like still years later are still married really yeah wow okay i mean what makes that show's good is unlike most reality shows is a pitch for if you haven't seen what was blind unlike most most reals i don't watch i don't turn on reality shows i don't i saw a commercial for it and i did no idea i've never heard of this and i hadn't this was like a few weeks ago i had no idea about this show and I saw a commercial and I like on one of those Netflix previews I was like what is that crazy and then I turn it on and it's it can be so moving at times and unlike the other reality shows it feels like real and raw a lot of some stuff feels like you obviously told the actors the people that do some stuff but most of the time I'm like damn these are like real conversations

and men and women really fighting and real tears from both sides like it's crazy so yeah to then see a couple of them we're still like married after a few years it's pretty awesome okay and they got married pretty freaking face okay so with stakes like this and with everything happening here i'm like sure why not not that we've seen much of the development of their relationship that's what i think is missing is we haven't been it's just kind of seem like such early honeymoon phase and i'm like there's not really a depth to their I'll say you sold me in love is blind now. Yeah, yeah, you should watch.

It's a good show. I'll probably watch it. I really like that show. I'm all about authentic connection. Yeah, no, I'm like the first couple episodes. I was like, these people are really falling in the love each other. This is crazy. These people are insane.

They're having real fights. It's pretty nuts. But, no, I get why you would feel that way. Because I think they would feel that way. I filled in a lot of context. No, I'm like, granted, do I think their chemistry is really good? Yes. I just think the fact that when the show started, they really hammered home that this just happened right after season two.

And it's only been 20 days for these characters. And then he's already marrying this woman. He's only known for like a week. But granted, like, you know, love does happen fast in certain contexts. But I think just the where we know him to be from the time that the show started to where he is. now i'm like oh my god this is like breakneck speed but definitely yeah yeah i can't i can't i can't fault that but i i think uh i don't know maybe the whole thing with the end of the world i i feel in a lot of shit regardless i mean it doesn't it doesn't bother me i'm like fucking who cares

um i like that and um i think i think like elia page is such an excellent i really really love what elia page is doing this season yeah i'm very much drawn to his work more than the other seasons i'm not sure what it is in particular i mean it's like there's i like i guess i'm really i'm really drawn to characters who are in i think that's what elia page does so well is like internal struggles and you know having to try to keep things cool and and try to do good things but there's so much other shit happening externally and internally and just can't have i can't handle a balance all and at all. And then to have the conversation with five reflect that journey of trying to create a balance and redemption, but it's not going to really be that case. Like I thought there

were some good philosophical discussions about what it means to be a hero. And I thought there were some great vulnerable moments like with Lila and Diego and, you know, her just kind of confessing to everything. Like I thought the dramatic scenes really hit home very well. And it had that balance. Funny enough, the episode that discusses like trying to balance some things out. This episode, I thought, had the balance that I was sort of missing from Embrella Academy, where

you're like, no, these are the scenes that are like exciting and cool and like, I love the whimsy of Klaus, like, dying over and over again and getting better at it and facing his fears. Like, I'm bringing that back to season one. And then you know, like, dealing with the cougal blitz and watching the sparrows work together.

Then having some hard hitting drama scenes as well. I'm like, that's the umbrella academy I mainly remember is like doing all that you know and so I thought this episode was great this is a really fantastic one and yeah but we got to move on

thank you guys for being here thank you for being here I hope you start love is blind I think you'd really enjoy that was the biggest takeaway from this episode watch love is blind it's really good no there are times you're just like holy shit this is so real

and I know people who've like worked on reality shows like the bachelor and stuff so i know what like what can be like bullshit so there are times where i'm like okay this is definitely that stuff is like kind of staged but most of it is that's gnarly anyway okay i'll check it out i'll watch i love the show i can tell it's great i know i've been wanting to watch season two i haven't started season two yet oh then you'll react to season two no no just for me just for me better call saul and love is blinder just for me And Barry. Just for me.

I have some shows that are just for me. Okay. And the misses as well. Anyway, guys, thanks for being here. Let's send this with a Patreon. Ricardo Martinez. Ricardo. Ricardo.

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So you have taken the brave leap here. I hope you keep those pesos on auto roll. Oh! John told me to say that joke. That's right. Now, say the one about the tacos. No, I don't want to do the taco. Say the burrito joke next.

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being 100% sincere all righty season three episode 8 review is up next guys wedding at the end of the world hope you guys are doing well if you're marathoning this or if you just popped in here hey welcome

enjoy shoots Who was that? I don't know. Maybe it's been. I don't know. I thought it was older five. Or older five come to play.

Now the symptoms started to affect him. I don't know. Lots happening. So many emotions. Being a dick, Eric. You're being a five. Seriously, man. You're being a whole Allison right now.

What do you think? We can't talk for too long. Got too much to cover right now. It wasn't the most action-packed episode, but you know what? That's okay. I feel like we spent enough time with these characters. There's a lot of action in the drama. Action within the drama.

If you let me get there. Shit. No, I think it was great. I thought it was a great episode. We spent so much time with these characters in this season and this journey we've had watching the last eight episodes. I feel like this wedding episode is really earned. And it was very sincere and is very sweet watching all these characters come together.

And finally, feel like a family at a wedding, it felt like even with all the absurdity of the different dynamics within these characters, that it felt very authentic and very sweet. And even as cynical as I am, being not on board with them getting together so soon, getting married, even I have to say that I was very warmed and touched by this wedding. And I believed it. You made me believe in love, Greg. Love is born. Season one and two on Netflix The Social Love is Blind Brazil Yeah man

I think Yeah everyone's coming around I even liked Ben This episode You know from being the dick To be like Find and turning to leaf You know

Like Klaus You know Him and Klaus have always had a strong bond So it makes sense for Klaus To be the one that kind of Bring the light to him Which I really enjoyed I really want Allison turn around

and I really liked her in the other seasons, and she's just kind of the worst. Actress is doing great. Actress is killing it. That's how you know, because I really don't like her, but you know, that's the point. You're not supposed to be on board with her,

which I understand. It's still frustrating to watch, but I understand it. Yeah, I think, I feel like some people might be on board with what Allison's doing. There's always those people. That's true.

And we'll see it'll be like one of the top comments and then like 180 people have voted. and they're other people on board with us. I'm an Allison Stan. Yeah, so, yeah, I mean, I think especially because Victor didn't intend for any of this to happen, and, like, no one's given Victor,

it seems like no one's even given Victor the benefit of the doubt of the fact that, like, Harlem was a little boy in the last time, you know, any of you saw Harlan. Right. And instilled the powers in him unintentionally, just trying to save him. And then he didn't intend.

any of this. It was all a giant accident. It was all like he was like, I'm going to murder people. You know, so that's why it would be one thing if Harlan was like, had a, you know, some type of vendetta and was doing something evil, but

he wasn't. And it was, it was an accident. He even saved them at one point. So, um, yeah, you know, I think it's really, I think it is messed up and like she lied for like a day, you know, it was like a day and a half. It wasn't that long. You know, it's like, and then he lied.

God damn it. Victor. Victor lied. I'm going to nail this. I'm sorry. You spent a whole season calling Ellie, H. The different pronoun. Okay.

I'm going to get it down. But yeah, with, with, with, with Victor, I do, I did like, you know, the scene where he confronts Allison. That was a very emotional scene. And, uh, the, you see, acting all around. But I, I did like this whole bittersweet. sweet melancholic type of episode uh it was very touching it was very warm like you said and you know it it did feel like yeah i mean you kind of took the words right out of my mouth this this did feel like a true family episode of them that that's not about them coming together

in the other seasons uh not that it's necessarily always this but sometimes that vibe of like okay we got to say the day let's come them together you know and they don't come together because of that They come together to celebrate something in the midst of something horrendous happening outside and finding the beauty in the last of your days. So I did think it was like very beautiful and with this really dark backdrop to it the whole time. But I quite enjoyed it. I think these last two episodes have been phenomenal. I've really, really found them very touching and great. And like the last one was very exciting.

And this one was much more heartfelt. But, you know, again, I know I kind of said this a couple of episodes. episodes ago of how this season feels the most like a play more than the other ones. And then you get an episode like this that's mainly in a banquet hall or a wedding venue, where the hell they are. And I thought that was just so sweet and touching. And the visuals are, you know, it's like you're looking at the apocalypse and there is something beautiful to behold about that.

We're normally the apocalypse for them is the thing that's going to happen in like one day, you know. And here it's been this slow progression that's been happening. I mean, not not slow, but they get to kind of like sit back and kind of witness it you know as opposed to it's all going to happen in one day so they got to kind of take this and it does touch and hard graves too um you know what i i believe he is trying his best i don't know if he's good or i just you're going to go back and forth i'm like he's really trying but you really try just manipulate them to get them what he wants them to do you know um but that speech is really um really really really great great stuff great stuff

great stuff all around yeah man I think I am I am also rooting for hard graves to be good but also suspicious kind of like how you were saying and yeah there is the beauty in the face of death I think that really made this a really warm episode

to Wattness to watch to witness Wattness to Wattness Larry Jean Watson But no, I think the, yeah, kind of how you were saying that I felt like, I don't know if this is recency bias, but out of the seasons we've watched, I feel like this is the first time. We're like, oh, this is like, they really felt like a family there to celebrate one another. They're just hanging out.

They're just having a good time. And I'm like, you don't get that with them. Yeah, I know. You really don't. I also, a scene I really enjoyed was Lila and Hargate. finally meeting and them kind of bonding together that was a very sweet very cool scene heart griefs is very suave very educated man alien yeah supposedly someone who doesn't have any people skills can suddenly activate it's like the best of the best and yeah i'm i'm really curious to know

how this is going to turn around because they're all very very drunk at the end of this sweet moment and we know this is umbrella academy so they're going to have to save the world so how is that gonna come into play um there's you know there's always some sort of twist always something around the corner that we're not seeing which which is at the intrigue of the show because even in the midst of this very sweet very wholesome episode we do get a little glimpse of what is to come because seemingly when you when you have characters that accept the apocalypse you would think that's like okay this is going to be it but uh yeah we got two more episodes so yeah Who knows?

Who knows what's going to have? I did like that they humanized Ben significantly more. 100%. I don't really know why he's got the anger issues. They haven't given us to that yet. But... They teased something with the Jennifer thing, and they referenced the Jennifer incident,

which was the day he died, but in this alternate timeline, seemingly she's the one who died. Probably hardened him. They're alluding to it without actually giving it to us. the who's the actor plays Klaus? He's like Scottish a real laugh or something right? Yeah Robert

Sheen or sheen something like that. He is just so God. So charming. He's phenomenal. He really is just he brings it is it is such a lived in performance Yeah brings all the shades of that character to life Every bit of it

The compassion, the pain, the sorrow, the joy The humor Full spectrum Yeah, he's phenomenal. And on top of that, too, you're watching an interview with a guy. He's got, like, a full-on Scottish accent. And you're like, damn, would have never thought that from watching you an umbrella academy. Like, I thought for sure that that's just how he sounds.

That's how he talks. That's exactly how I thought he would talk. And then when I, because I didn't, I don't think I saw an interview until after we were done watching season two. And then when I saw an interview, it's shocked because I could have sworn he was just, he that would that had to at least have been close to his actual voice but he doesn't behave like this at all really no yeah he's got irish not scottish okay yeah irish um but yeah he doesn't behave like this it's like nothing like doesn't behave like clouds it's it's kind of it's crazy just how how how how how much he brings to this performance and um you know and and i like how

I think the main easy way to sum up this episode is it's full-blown display of the heart and I kind of wish the first half of this season felt a little bit more like the last half of the season. Not going to lie because this season was starting to worry me but

no, I do think that lately it's been pretty freaking great and I'm just hoping the final episode sticks to landing. But as it stands, I'm looking forward to it. Thank you all who have been patient with us on our journey. Some of you guys are just love when I see the comments of people who comment because it's like we shot like four or five

of these before we started uploading them and then uh you know people will um uh people will comment as if we should already know what the end of the season right yeah like give us a break give us some time we're not binging it guys we're taking it episode by episode yeah it's like no you don't get it done i'm like well now i get that comment because i'm at this point in this series we're not psychics yeah jeez man um but yeah ben definitely got better all right guys thanks for being here and uh yeah i guess uh but bye all right peeps with episode eight down we are entering the penultimate episode review seven bells hope you've been enjoying the series so far here we go And the title is white, are the, are the, oh, God.

The credits are white? Wow. What a shocker of an episode. Would it stop? It was crazy. Oh, whoa. On our time, we're about to watch the very next one. But damn, that was, if I feel like that was one of those were, I would love to talk forever about,

but I just kind of want to hop into the next. Yeah, I know. I know. I feel the same way. But, yeah, it's all true. Hargraves, his whole time. His whole time is planning him. Why would he bring?

I don't understand what the point of bringing Klaus, of not bringing Klaus was. I feel like there's still something we don't know. I feel like there was intent behind that. I feel, it seemed like he was trying to train him to up his skill so he could use him, but then ultimately he thought he still wasn't good enough. So it's still back to how it was before for Klaus. Or, or I could see him, by training him to use his ability, he brought Klaus to his side, which made it more likely for the others to trust him because Klaus of all people trusted him.

Yeah. That's, didn't really work that way, but yeah. Yeah. I can't believe. There's still a purpose, though. I mean, it still's a time travel and we've seen characters die and come back. Hargraves was the first one to die. And he's back, so, you know, there's a way to bring Luther back.

It's like, yeah, Luther and Sloan ultimately, I understood them not deciding to go. Yeah, it makes sense. We don't believe that we'll win, so let's just stay behind and enjoy our last. Like, that made sense. I didn't think Diego's made sense to me. I was like, you're going to die anyway. Diego's was kind of silly. It was like dramas for drama's sake for me.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's not, because I actually got where Diego was coming from with him saying, like, Lila, you stay, I go, because I think what he was getting at was that we could still win, but I might die on the mission, but that doesn't mean we'll lose. He could just be one of the casualties on the mission. So as long as she can live, consider if the mission is successful, then good. But when you flip it, I'm like, it doesn't. doesn't make any sense now like the motivation other than to stand to matter

unless you guys have an opinion that could change that or that I can be I'll I'm receptive I'm not gonna say I'm gonna change my opinion but I'll hear you out because to me it was like well now you're actively choosing not to fight for the opportunity to see your kid possibly you know when I'm like now this this kind of it kind of went against the character for me unless it was just some eat like it was just some way to try to trick her to stay behind i don't know i thought it was kind of stupid yeah um and then allison ob i told you right for them get go i was like i was like no i don't trust her yeah felt felt way too rust for me and i was like yeah there has to be something up her sleeve

and lo and behold it was yeah and um i just thought it was gonna be pogo because he was so little used in this season he's only like one episode yeah it's uh yeah that's true pretty much essentially just one episode but alison makes the most sense she's kind of been the worst i mean he's just kind of been observing but i love the way they've been writing hargraves this season because it has been a back and forth they've been letting you in on like there's some like this is a this hard case is worse yeah this is way worse not up front at all he's is a full-blown villain and it's like and they think they're going in to save the day and the way he plays the manipulation is so good the manipulation is solid because even when he walks in the room and

is shocked i'm like oh god even that's believable and we know the truth Yeah, and like the thing you said about there's two things that bring people together, either a wedding or a funeral, like, did you like orchestrate this? Did you know this was going to happen? And you're just cool with it this whole time? It's plan B. It's plan B, yeah. I mean, I hope Luther can come back in some way because he's just so, he's so fun and so likable and such a sweetheart. Yeah, how they've really rewritten him and given the actor a lot of room to play has really been enjoyable.

And I do hope we get to continue to see him because. You know, he's like, he's kind of like the big oof. He's kind of the heart of the show, you know? It's such a tragedy of, you know, he finally gets the reconciliation. He's been yearning for his whole life. And now it's, he just gets killed at the hands of him. And also, like, not knowing his dad's an alien. Yeah, the moment.

Oh, my God. It's not what's happening with this guy at once, yeah. The moment he called him son, I was like, oh, now he's playing him. He's playing him hardcore. I had a feeling he was playing him. I had a feeling he was playing him. that's what it surprised me was like I didn't think a death was coming

no not at all man what does he have in store like it's crazy how we're this far along and I still have no idea what the fuck's gonna happen I have no idea what's happening in the next episode yeah I'm very I'm really looking forward to it though what a journey man what a journey we've

we've gone through thus far going to this finale from being really underwhelmed with the first episode to like being as excited if not more excited than we were going into the end of the last season. Yeah. Well, it's just crazy because

I think, like, because you pointed out what we were watching this, this is the most we've seen Hargraves involved with this season. Of any show, of any of the season. Of any show. Of any show. Every show ever. Doom Patrol. The boys. He's not even at those at all.

But in this one, he's really involved. He's hyper-present. Yeah, he's so involved. and they've done such an amazing job at fleshing out I just think I just think that's like brilliant manipulation because it has you going

and even though they clue you in like very overtly at very overtly it's double negative screw it over it's super overt in the way they clue you in with certain looks that he gives

there's certain choices that he makes like they're showing you like there's something up his sleeve he's got a hidden agenda he's got a tactic here yet he's that he the way they don't write and direct him here is so perfect to the point where is what one thing i hate in movies and shows is when an actor is playing a lie and when i'm like guys he's obviously like you know it's like if he walked in that room it's like oh my god like

we did bad acting right like luther oh no it's like guys come on pick i i hate when when they when actors are forced to, like, do bad lies. And when I'm like, no, because real liars are so believable. Yeah. He feels super sincere. Yeah. And, like, you go from seeing stuff like the flashback and seeing how he was the cruel hardgraves that we know him to be in that 2014 flashback where the split between him and Pogo to him training Klaus and us really wanting him to be this good father to these children that have always. craved their father's love and their father's attention and him continuing to play that role

to the other members of the umbrella academy it's yeah man he he he this actor and the way he's written has really been really been a journey and really been something to to behold i love how he's worse yeah like like on a writing standpoint i'm like damn they made him worse in a way that doesn't mean it's like cruel in a more sneaky way yeah i think that's i think that's scarier because it's At least when the original hardgraves, like they all kind of knew where they stood, they knew they would never get their father's approval, but him trying to play on that fact of the alternate heart graves, not giving them that attention to get what he wants is so much more sinister.

Yeah, because you still get the sense that he still cared about his children. Yeah. Even though he was that kind of like only tough love kind of dad. Like so extremely only tough love to the point where, but. But that didn't mean he didn't care. He always got that sense that he still kind of cared. But here you're like, oh, this guy's the devil. I think the only question I had while watching this that this left me with

is the fact that we see back in like the 1940s and 1918 that Hargraves discovers this portal and he had his wife on the moon, who we resume is his wife at this point. But we see that, and we know the original Hargraves had these very same plans, but yet that version of him killed himself. So why would he, what happened for him to abandon this plan that he's had to one day utilize this portal? And I don't know if the finale would give us that answer, or if it's just like an inconsistency thing, but I'm really hoping that it does. Because I just think it's fascinating.

I think looking back from the first season through this season, and the seed of Hargraves being the thing that both tore them apart and brought them back together through where we are now, I think it's going to make for a fascinating watch for anybody that's going through the entire series. And it's like, oh, it's like each season has their own thing, their own kind of doomsday thing they have to get to by the end of the season. But I think overall, watching the relationship between this father and these broken children is really going to be something that's going to be fascinating to watch both as, a plot unfolding and from like a character steady perspective

yeah so why does that have to be seven like repopulating on a different yeah I mean I don't know I think because you know each both versions of the team had seven like why did he pick seven children to begin with maybe that's he knew

you know yeah it says it has to be seven I mean seven's an often symbolic number yeah lucky number that's why yeah But no, he picks seven children.

Seven is like creation. Maybe he picked seven children out of the 43 because he knew that one day seven would need to go to Hotel Oblivion. He picked the seven kids that he felt would be the best for this job. It's true. Why does it always? Because seven is like a very biblical number. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking of.

Like the Earth was created. In each seven days. That's why I was thinking of like recreation or repopulation. I don't know. We'll find out. Hopefully we find out. God there's a lot to unpack and then for

Klaus to have such a tragic because he cared about him the most and also I you know we upgraded Netflix to 4K and so I was like looking at these visual damn this are crazy and 40 years look so good

it's great yeah yeah it's really crisp and the visual backdrop because you know this is the first time they get to witness the apocalypse slowly happen around them and I just think it's been gorgeous But now, I mean, we've got to watch the next one. I don't know when that reaction's going up, but for the next one.

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Hi there. So here's the deal. She just saw my phone because it's like 3 in the morning. And Aaron actually called me a few hours after we were done shooting the final episode reaction for umbrella cat. I was like, dude, there was a post-credit scene. I was like, oh, crap. Did you already watch it?

already watched it and he said it's super short but i was like well we've gotten this far so might as well do a quick reaction to it for you guys and my little editing station here as you can see the editing stations wherever we filmed but on the opposite side but let's see what this is all about okay we're back on the train That's it? I don't know what to make of that. What? What does that mean?

I have no idea what's making that. Is that, uh, is this the same bed from the Sparrow Academy or is this like another Ben from the, uh, like this car, are there going to be like two bends is what I'm getting at? Is just the original Ben that got to survive? I don't know what this means for the future of Umbrella Academy or for what it's setting up for season four. It's the bed that got to just live a happy, normal life and wasn't tortured and traumatized of like every bend. that we know? I don't know. I'm very clueless right now as to what to make of this. Anyway, I'm glad I watched it, though. But an error was on me didn't know what to make of this

post-credit scene either, so regardless, it does not affect our very long, in-depth, thorough discussion that we have of the episode. We talk for a long time, so, you know, stick around if you're interested in our actual review portions of it, because, yeah, there's a lot to say, but this is a weird post-credit scene. no idea what it would it would what it's implying a lot of pondering what of uh yeah just kind of not left with a feeling of like what the fuck is a feeling of like what's going on but it's also just like a like a calming kind of like like if the show got canceled after this I'm like all right guess this is the end of the show like they're just they're human and they separated and but

obviously it's going to be another season but yeah I just feel um um Oh, I don't even know what I feel. I thought we came from... That was a great finale. It became pretty haunting. Yeah. In the last like 20 minutes, I was like, this is some haunting shit. This is getting to the dark part of my soul right now.

A hardgraved utopia. Wow. Evil mastermind. Evil mastermind. Yeah, what was... Seems like that was the plan was, he wanted a real estate is what he wanted. He wanted to be a real estate mogul.

He's just all about capitalist. That's all we care about. He really wanted to win a monopoly. He wanted to own land. It all makes sense now with the monocle. You're the monopoly man. This was all good. Hold on.

Oh, man. Oh, shoot. I didn't know where it was going to go in the end. Yeah, no. And they're all like, like, oh, where are they going to die right now? And they got enough energy to reset the universe, but in Hargrave's image, I'm like,

but he died? I mean, yeah, there'd be some, like, clear a goddamn answer's next year. Oh, their powers. Luther looks so weird. that his muscle suit on but that's just the actor it was so odd

how does he know so much how does heart graves know so much I mean I know he's like an alien who's like seen everything and anything but it's fascinating where three seasons in there's still so much mystery and it's like the world of this character

and it seemed like he had to keep the wife alive yeah well it's at the season or incubated on the moon or some shit yeah kept her body on the moon or the event that you bring her back one day why would that matter

But resetting the universe. I don't know. I have no clue. It doesn't make sense, but I feel like we're going to get the answers next season. Hopefully. Is there something to do with what Allison constructed with pushing the button that was her wish fulfillment? Is that why Sloan's not alive? But why would that make it in a Hargraves image that?

It doesn't make sense. Because it seems like the deal struck is that Hargraves would get what he wants, and Allison would get what she wants. Yeah. Reconstructing the entire. entire universe because Ray is a man from the 60s and here he is now in present day. That's what I mean is like with whatever buttons he was touching must have been like my plan Allison's plan.

Right, yeah, he designed it that way. But then Luther gets to come back to life. Like was he? She must have wanted that. Or they didn't have powers and all that. Kind of like a kind of like a Scarlet Witch House of M thing and a certain extent. of being like mutants are bad yeah so I wanted to come back normal so I think the question was really jarring seeing Luther I was like somebody looks like just normal it looks very long it's a long

limb individual just looks like I'm so used to see him like all buff and shit but um I mean yeah it can't be a show without them with them not having powers I mean I feel like they could do that for a few episodes right it's crazy because like it it maintained that play like quality you know just like a lot of scenes of just them together debating conversing arguing up until like the very end other than like it's got the most action packed with the oblivion hotel but even that it was still like contained at the hotel and it was like oh it is doing the thing I was kind of saying that I was hoping the show would do which to keep it like very personal and intimate and then it became like the biggest 10 seconds, it's like, this is the biggest

I've ever gotten. This is massive. Yeah, they're always up in the ante with this show. But yeah, I mean, I quite love the last half of this. I like the finale a lot. I don't know how people feel about the finale in general, but I quite love this finale. I think it was, I think

the moment in the garden was a bit rushed. The button. It's like Luther running off makes perfect sense to me. Yeah. You've got to go find his woman. Yeah, yeah, he's panicked.

and he wants to go find her. Like, everyone leaves back, but nothing else matters. Like, that makes sense. But everyone just, like, split up in, like, 30 seconds. Right. You think you guys probably want to figure the shit out together.

Like, you know, we got a lot of, we got a lot of things. Like, bye. Man, it makes me wonder if how they, interesting enough,

I think this is the only time we've seen where it allows, them to have some sort of time jump because each the previous season started from the moment the last season ended which kind of frees them up to have a different structure for whatever season four is going to be I have no idea

I don't read the comics for this show so you don't think it's vastly different from the comics I read like the first like couple of arcs but yeah this is very different from what I read good yeah it's less predictable everybody can enjoy it

even gerard way doesn't know what the fuck's happening and he wrote it I can imagine a lot of people have issues with Al that I imagine Allison has been quite a polarizing portrayal yeah

yeah yeah yeah because the show never quite brings you to a state of understanding I think I understood but I think the way they should showed her express her grief and frustration was a little extreme. And I don't know if it was the writing choices or the directing choices,

but it was just like, in spite of all her pain, I was, I don't like you. I don't like the choices that you're making. Well, it just seems so, I mean, she seems human. Definitely human. I can't deny that. It's more of a mixed bag for me when it comes to her. Like at times I really get it And at times I'm like Your selfish ways are getting in the fucking way

It really hovers back and forth For me with her And even up until this final decision moment Yeah Like she does I feel like the show tried having a redeeming quality By her Saving them from death

Which is a solid recovery But the fact that she did lie her way to this moment and was very deceptive because it seemed like Hargraves really did want to honor his deal yeah with her yeah he was like don't even step on the fucking uh what was it the sigil

the signs the stars yeah like don't don't step on it like it seemed like he really was it wasn't it was keen in honoring his deal and and uh and so it's like clearly she like she seems like she's the one who lucked out the most in the end Yeah, I think this deal and how it plays out by the very end kind of makes me really think about Hargraves as a character and who this universe is Hargraves is. Maybe just all versions of them are the two versions we've seen in that this man is truly someone who is about justifying the ends justifying the means because somewhere in his in his spell of sucking the life force out of him, he gave them new life. a new chance to be something

without the burdens of what he's put upon them in a new reality this is an interesting bookend because it starts off in this season where they're stranded but they decide

to you know find new settlement together yeah and this starts off with stranded a new place but they're going to just fuck off and go their separate ways like it's very different

yeah and the other to I do I am kind of bummed about Sloan yeah I'm sure he'll find her

you know because there's what 47 baby or something like that did that still happen there you know I don't know man

there's a lot of questions a lot of questions yeah it kind of makes me ponder so first season into second season we go back in time second season

to season three we're in an alternate timeline so this is seemingly multiverse. We're going into a whole new universe, entire new reality. Well, this is a reset.

Reset, a reboot. Yeah. And I think that's what the seven, like I said, like seven, you know, being very symbolic for like creation, recreation. So like creating the universe. And his image. His own image. Yeah, it literally is bore birth

into his own image where Hargraves land, you know. Yeah. He is like God and ruler over of this. Yeah, it makes me wonder. Well, it's like, I really started like Sloan. That's why. Yeah, especially in this last episode, I was like, all right, we got some real depth to you now,

finally. You grieving and revenge and all that? Like, you're a real character. Yeah, gave you something to root for for her, for sure. So I always liked her, but this was like, now I'm like really, now I care for you. Like when the, when it look like the warrior was going to stab her. I was going to kill her. I was like,

oh, that's sad. I was like kind of bummed at the thought of her dying. Yeah. I think she's, I think she'll be around. What happened is this? A lot of, this is a thick boy finale.

And other than that final beat at the end, it didn't feel particularly rushed her too much to me. I, I quite enjoyed the, the chaos of it all. I love me to a couple questions, though. Like, what? So we saw in oblivion that five got his arm cut off.

Right. But then the reboot happened. But he got a tattoo. So I'm like, is that like an offshoot of the events of what happened in Oblivion? Because he still got his arm cut off and still got the tattoo. But it's in the paradox-proof panic room. That's a good question. I don't know if that makes sense.

I don't know if that tracks. Well, I mean, I think there's a reason they set up the whole thing about a paradox. Yeah. No, I imagine they'll probably come into season four. Because the thing with paradoxes is you go, wait, if this didn't happen, how did this happen? How did this happen? If this didn't happen, you know, when they, I forget, I forget what episode. It was like episode three or four when they were explaining what a paradox is.

And I think that's part of it is like, I don't know how well they can explain that. But maybe the events of oblivion did happen. But when they went to that point in the time stream, Lila, and five that there's still a plane of existence of earth do you get what I'm getting at like there's still an existence so the universe wasn't done with

yeah there's well is the do we know that the time bureau exists within this plane of reality I don't know I don't fucking remember man we watched it two years Just roll with it.

Just roll fine, fine. But, yeah, I think that, yeah, at least this with a lot of questions. Is this with a... I don't know how Klaus came back. I have no fucking clue. It doesn't make sense, but I liked it. I liked that he's back. There needed to be some type of physical body.

Yeah, because all the times you saw him die, like, would return to that body, and it would, like, fix itself. But you just reanimate yourself out of nothing? That's interesting. Okay. We were like, ah, we wanted to make a strong. wrong choice, but don't question how we go back on that choice. We're just, just roll with it. I'm, it didn't make sense, but I was like, okay, yeah, I like this.

I like him. I liked them together. It doesn't mean to make sense. We're good. What's logic? I don't know, but I thought the visuals were very beautiful. Yeah. Except for the, uh, the, the warrior guy with the holes in his face.

It made me think, made me think of like a, like this actual condition where like, that's a thing. You have like little worms coming out of your face. Yeah. gross i feel like there's a lot of metaphors that are fucking flying all over my head some holes in there are cockroaches okay is is stanley back is stanley's still what was the thing with his ear what was that all about so many questions mislead into thinking he had some powers yeah but there was never like a a payoff on that

mislead i it's a it's a weird season it is because it starts off at like the sparrow academy and What is this? Cougall Blitz, and then the last half is very much about. The show seems to be functioned at its best when the main focus is stop the world from ending. I wonder if we were to go back and watch the beginning of season three, if you can see all of the through lines for where they end up by the end of this season. Because at some points it feels like they're just kind of like going along and like making it up.

But in other points it's like, okay, there is a point to what is. happening like they like i still don't understand why grace was so obsessed with the the thing like she's a robot why does she obsessed with yeah they have some storylines that kind of seem to you know the idea with the season usually is like a bunch of different storylines and you watch the convergence of it and here was kind of just some some of it was kind of like and not really a whole It was kind of zigzagging around All over the place Some of it doesn't quite

Make you feel that completion When you think about it as a whole I really have two associations with the season The first half and the last half I didn't hate the first half The last half to me is very focused And very concise and clear And powerful and effective

And then the first half They do feel like two separate half You know what I mean? Like it's part of the same story, but execution-wise, they feel like not as properly tethered or even like the grief of Harlan kind of feels dropped for Victor. Yeah, I feel like a lot of things happened without full payoff. But like I said, like I think I said at one of the earlier episodes, like things, certain things would kind of happen to further the plot without any real sense behind.

them and then other things would make sense but would also do that would make sense for our characters where they were emotionally and that elevated the plot and i think this season had a mix of both of those things so i still at the end of the day it was still a very enjoyable season of television to watch but i think if we are comparing it to the other two seasons of umbrella academy i still think it falls third for me it does uh it does but it still has some of the most memorable in a very extremely positive way has some of the most memorable moments of umbrella academy for me yeah definitely like one million percent and yeah it there there are some like character beat stuff like that i do kind of wish we had did five they would have created more conflict like i think sloan you know

like when when sloane first loses those members of the sparrows she's just she's so upset and then it's just she's not upset anymore and then uh and victor and harland i'm like i feel like that would create some real it seemed like victor was just so focused on like i'm mad at you ellison for the way you treatment i'm like there's a real loss here yeah they never give her a chance to really process that or like cc was the love of your life and that was cc's kid and harland was killed and you know like there was a yeah like it and it didn't and this whole thing with um Harlan kind of

like Harlan gives up his powers but for some reason that storyline doesn't feel like it mattered amounted to much it was such a big part of the first app yeah because like you can do one of two things it could either power Victor up enough to to be

something that's that's more exponential and their ability or it could serve as something that really boost Harlan as a character or connects those two. But I don't think that if you take Harlan out of the show, it changes a lot. I mean, it's a catalyst for the riff between Alice and Victor's relationship. But outside of that, I don't know if it did a whole lot. I mean, it started the Cougoblix and like the paradox of that. but yeah he didn't at the end of the day he didn't do much as a character and i was i was

kind of looking forward to what he was going to do also we don't know why his name was uh like it's important but somehow still feels incomplete yeah yeah like i said like there's a lot of stuff i enjoyed about umbrella academy because like at the end of day i still enjoy all these characters but there were some some loose threads and some some things in there that didn't quite make sense like i still don't understand what the whole buffalo thing was it just like a physical representation to show that this was the other half of a dimension or the other side of a portal door was there more significance to that sure yeah these are a lot of questions but i can say that at the end of the day i did enjoy watching this i had a really fun time doing this with you and i think that

i'm gonna continue to watch the show yeah i love lila a lot in this you know like lila was such a in the previous season mischievous villain and then here i i quickly bought her as one of the main protagonists. Yeah. Like, not a villain at all. Like, no, you're one of the good ones. Yeah. Did Ben work for you by the end of the season?

Eh, is that right. I didn't love Ben by the end, but I didn't mind Ben in the last few episodes. In the last few, I didn't mind him. Yeah, I went from, like, hating him to, like, tolerating him. Yeah, to being like, he's fine. Yeah, and they also never really go into the whole Jennifer thing with him. Sure.

I was hoping they would, because you see all the pictures and art. They kind of allude to it without really diving in deep, which I'm like, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that they just do for the sake of doing without following through. I mean, there's a lot to appreciate, though. I mean, I think the finale, I love the setting of, I feel like there's still more to explore, yet I still really like the execution of having this sort of ominous horror tone. like it was suspenseful it was it was really like when they started walking through you know like different when the hotel's kind of turning in on them yeah that was cool yeah like that was that was intense and that was that was that was really suspenseful it was pretty

cool and uh i really like yeah i really like that a lot and and uh yeah that was fine klaus you do see how his powers do come like he was able to just kind of like summon luther yeah so the button kind of that's what i mean there's a lot happening there because like luther's dead he's in the afterlife they get back there Luther gets to save the day say goodbye to sloan and it's a ghost and oh it's sad and then and and then um and then he's back he's like weird hey here yeah yeah um like i guess in some ways some things could have used a bit more breathing room but in the immediacy of the moment it was and feeling rushed to me.

And kind of reflecting, I'm like, maybe it could have been a little longer to help let some things kind of pace out a little bit better. But I do think that overall, this was still, it still gets me excited to kind of, I'm still excited for season four, and I still want to uncover what's going to happen in season four. I want to see the completion of the story.

Yeah. I would hate for it to end here. No, yeah. Yeah, I would hate for, like, it could end here. I would think that would suck. though if it ended here i'm like no we got to see we got to see what happens i think that'd be a terrible final scene oh okay i guess it was uh really really downer note yeah like whatever

our games wins and they all separate goodbye yeah there is something really odd about the way that final moments played out to me but i don't know couldn't use it a little bit they didn't ever quite have that scene there tends to be like a cool like a great sequence that just stands out you know what I also realized there was never like they're the

umbrella academy but there's never like that team moment you know like how they had in season two I still think season two is the strongest season of the show definitely I agree I know a couple people who prefer season one overall but no season two for me is still my personal

favorite I think since he's the strongest I would have like to watch them work together as like he said we need the seven seven of them to do this and granted they were they all seven were standing on the pieces so the machine would work but i would like to see seven of them or all of them work with their powers together all a avenger style or justice league style you know to try to take down whatever these threats were but i guess at the end of the day it's it's not really a superhero show in spite of the fact that the premise started with the siblings that were formed to originally be a superhero team yeah yeah i mean i think what makes this show charming is oddities it's gonzo nature it's like when it just leans into

its weirdness and absurdity yeah you know like it's not it's not the weirdest season there's something that's kind of like unsettling in the like there's something that's kind of like unsettling it's more melancholic what i what i respect about this show a lot is i can say each season feels very different 100% and i think that's a really cool thing to say is they they all feel different yeah you know kudos to them or not like the first one felt a little bit more gothic yeah gothic kind of grounded you know like yeah before they really like up their budget you know they had to like really rely on all the character drama in the first season and then the second one was like 60s backdrop

Mm-hmm And it was a little more fun and exciting And this had more of An acceptance of death You know Dealing with that And but Yeah the tone flared and start

Really clicking for me until the last half Yeah But there's a lot about the mood This is like the dark night rises Out of the trilogy You know where I'm like There's a lot visually and tonally that I really love

about this one. And there's some really exciting stuff, but I definitely feel like it's the third one. Yeah. Yeah. I want a more pogo, man. I like to bike or pogo, which we get to see more of his life and more of his involvement with the family and what his relationship was with

the Sparrow's. Yeah, this is not the most fulfilling season, I would say. I keep going back to things that are just adjectives of feeling a little incomplete in some arenas. Yeah, I like, I guess, I said, I enjoyed a lot about it. I was like, man, the fucking, the last half,

he should have gone to like this shit a little faster. I didn't feel like we needed to get to take that long to get to that, especially when they're like, ah, sparrows don't really fucking matter. I never get to fuck about the entire time. Yeah, and when they set you up for that and they're just like, ah, screw it. So

that's why I said, I feel like they didn't really have a clear vision. It's a little disjointed. In that regard, and I feel like the last half is so much better and so good. but because they only have a certain number of episodes to do you know it's like if they had just done the plot line that the episode five and more on introduces or episode six and on truly introduces

if that was the like more of the focus and jumping point instead of any of this like sparrow academy shit and like you know what it felt like to me it felt like at the end of season two they wrote themselves into a hole and it took them yeah they were like we're like six episodes to figure out out how the fuck there you get themselves out. We don't really want to do the sparrow. We're going to change Ben's hair.

We're not going to make the sparrows matter all that much. We're not going to make the full characters. But we just want to get to this point. And by any means necessary, we're going to get there. Yeah, they felt very disposable. It literally were. Like, Harlan killed two of them. Like nothing.

I don't remember how Raven Lady died. I just felt a cougal blitz thing. Google Blitz. She got blitz. And then so did Christopher. Right? Like, there's a lot to enjoy about this season, but there's a lot that kind of annoyed me and aggravated me as well.

But like, you know. It's like it needs to like somehow thematically play in or emotional wise play in. Yeah. And then you know what also something is like I said, they would do things without actually making them fully matter. Like the whole conversation about that five had with Victor about doing, if you do things alone, like you become the villain

and like if you do that shit again I'll kill you myself. Like if I never really came back into play. Yeah, that's what I mean is they set up a lot of really, that's what I mean is like if the last half was the first five episodes essentially and then they had five

more to expand. Like you get to the apocalypse ending at the very end of that different alternate timeline 10 that I'm talking about in my own head cannon. Then they, they really could have had like a pretty perfect season three that feels like really doom and gloom and

melancholic and because i really loved like i i loved at least three of these episodes there was at least three episodes i truly loved it here like seven eight and nine i thought were like i love them and ten's a pretty damn great finale it's just because it's a finale it gets you to kind of look at the whole picture and uh i thought it was good i thought I thought the finale was good. I don't think I loved it as much as you. But I liked it a lot. Yeah, I was surprised by how much I liked it.

I thought they were going to drop the ball. I think six, seven, and eight were my favorites. Six, seven, and eight were the ones that I absolutely loved. Oh, six again, what happened in? Six is when I was like, that was really good. And then seven, eight and nine, and I was like, these are awesome. Yeah, you started to flip around in six. I think six is when Harlan got killed.

That was five. No, six, no? Was it six? Pretty sure I was six. Six is when they first... No, no, no, no, no, you're right. Five was five, you get killed at the very end of five. I know six is when Lila and Diego first go into the oblivion.

I don't remember how it ends. But six is when I really felt like this is a turning point. I remember feeling like this is a turning point, but seven was when I was like, wow, that was great. And eight was like, oh, my God, they did it again. And I really liked episode nine a lot. I thought episode night was pretty awesome. It got me jazzed about the finale.

Yeah, episode nine was really good. Yeah, I really liked the wedding episode. I think that was the most heartfelt for me. That was eight, yeah. And that's what I mean. Like those tones, they mastered here. That seven and eight, like, that real, like, they never really became as fun as, like, season two. But in terms of, like, going into this, like, this feeling of death and appreciating

just your loved ones and the ones you live with. So that's why I mean like the ending kind of like undercuts a lot of that for me here. I was just like fucking got by.

I'm like it would have been more powerful if there was some type of emotion to them separating if they had time to just like have like Luther could go off but it's like what do we do and they instead of just being like

in some ways it's very umbrella academy but I feel like for a finale it it i would have personally preferred a bit of an emotional button like they still could have separated but i would have liked it more if there was some type of emotional undercurrent to them going their separate ways yeah i'll say in some ways for me emotionally this season season three of umbrella academy is like the emotional equivalent of like stranger things season two for me so i think there's like my least favorite i think i think sergeant things three is

my least favorite really i really enjoyed season three the action like the the blockbuster season. I like it. When I re-watched him, I was like, no, three's the week. Four is killing it, then. Four is, for it's killing it.

It was a reason for it feels nothing like three. But hey, maybe an umbrella academy had that same luck with the, with a killer season four, you know, a focus season four. They're ever going to give them that much money.

You know what? I think I'm happy. I didn't, I really enjoyed the journey of how we got here. I wasn't head over heels in love with it like it was season two, but I think where we end the season gives us a lot of potential for them to really shine and really do something creative and new going forward because they haven't written themselves into an immediate action kind of cliffhanger.

They can do a time job if they want to to help figure things out and us find these characters in these new places until something else ultimately has to bring them back. together yeah i think season one and two did a great job at like what are our starting points for our characters in the first and second episode and then what is the completion by the end yeah i think and here i'm like oh that first five feels very different and and their and their arcs don't feel that clear as a unit or as individuals yeah and weirdly enough in some ways if they play it right this almost is like a reprisal

or like a because at the end of the beginning how the series starts with everybody separated you know so where we end this third season is everybody disperses again so the fourth season gives them the opportunity

for them to all be in those places what are their lives for them some sort of event to have to bring them back together again right what is the audience score on this season I don't want to many people that watched it either

I have like one friend I don't think it's getting as many views as the previous season I wonder why that is I want to check the audience score here I feel like Stranger Things was gone longer than the umbrella academy was and they're firing all cylinders as far as views and audience ratings got fucking stranger things

it's like completely different beast The flagship show of Netflix I mean the review Reviews are really high for season three. That's 90%. Wow. That's very high. Is it higher than season one or two?

I mean, season two is 91%. Season two is great. Season two has like 40 more reviews, so that's pretty good. Season one is the lowest of the critic reviews. Fascinating. The audience score is pretty low. It's 62%. For this season?

Yeah. Huh. yeah I mean I don't know it doesn't matter either way I enjoyed it yeah this is kind of passing out 60s pretty low fucking

that's like right on the edge of passing but I haven't dived in to see the opinions but that is pretty low because I think season two is like 89 or something it's great season that's great season is the best one Yeah, guys, thank you for being here.

Thanks, Aaron, for joining me. Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure. Interesting that to leave on. And, hey, stick around for whatever more we decided to cover. Appreciate you all. Much love, Reject Nation. Glad we got to complete this journey.