The Reel Rejects - SKELETON CREW Episode 5, 6, & 7 - Star Wars Breakdown & Review
Episode Date: January 8, 2025TIME TO CATCH UP FOR THE FINALE!! Star Wars: The Skeleton Crew Full Series Reaction Watch Along: https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects Follow Us On Socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/...reelrejects/ Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thereelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/thereelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Now that Christmas & the New Year have passed, Michael Tessler & John Humphrey RETURN for their inaugural series together, giving their FIRST TIME Reaction, Commentary, Analysis, Easter Eggs, Breakdown, & Full Spoiler Review for Episodes 5, 6, and 7 ("You Have a Lot to Learn About Pirates", "Zero Friends Again", & "We're Gonna Be in So Much Trouble") of the latest Disney+ series from Showrunners Christopher Ford & John Watts (Spider-Man: Homecoming / Far From Home / No way Home, Clown, Cop Car). After the revelation on At Achrann, things take a turn as allegiances shift, the kids make a break for home, and Jod Na Nawood takes a turn toward his dark side... The Skeleton Crew features Ravi Cabot-Conyers, Ryan Kiera Armstrong, Robert Timothy Smith, & Kyriana Kratter as our surrogate Goonies along with appearances from Jude Law (The Talented Mr. Ripley, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow), Kerry Condon (Captain America: Civil War, The Banshees of Inisherin), Nick Frost (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Attack the Block), Tunde Adebimpe (Twisters, TV on the Radio), & MORE! With its Stand By Me, Stranger Things, & Pirates of the Caribbean vibes, can the Skeleton Crew this much-needed shot of swashbuckling, heart, & good will for the Star Wars universe stick the landing in next week's season finale?? Follow Michael Tesslerr:https://www.instagram.com/mjtessler/ Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Music Used In Manscaped Ad: Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM: FB: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER: https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER: https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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I'm excited to catch up.
We're going to watch, yeah, episode 5 and 6 from the past two weeks, Christmas and New Year's,
and then we're going to cap it all off with the new episode, the penultimate episode.
Math.
Math!
Lee Isaac Chung, eh?
All right.
interesting
how is this going to end
john i don't know
this music man
i was wondering at the very top
if they're if they've been
remember and or they
added to the little
opening music sting each time
i'm wondering if they've done anything like that here
but uh interesting yeah i don't know man
i'm fascinated like it
it it's cool to
start off in a place where you feel like, okay, I know what kind of story this is and I know
what kind of adventure we're going on. And certainly it has all those, you know, tropes of the,
you know, coming of age adventure genre. However, the further we've gotten and the more they do
start to peel back this onion, the less I feel like I know. And the more I feel like, what,
yeah, how the hell are we going to wrap this up next week? A series of endless surprises,
twist and turns, all of which have felt earned,
all of which have felt spontaneous,
but also thoughtful and considerate in the writing.
And the character, I mean, to like, you know,
not to dis-child actors or anything,
but like to have a cast of children
perform consistently in such a way
to where they're so.
lovely they're so compelling there's never been an episode where i'm like god can we just not you
know as the staunchest proponent of a parents only episode yet that we've not yet gotten it hasn't
been a begrudging return to the kids only because i find them to also be really compelling yeah
but not that i don't find the kids compelling the kids are yeah compelling enough to at least
assuage your burning desire yeah for the parents i felt like that i felt like that i felt like
the parents had this sort of devolution into becoming children again in order to save their
kids they all needed to like step out of their like very strict way of life the information that
they know and and they had to embrace the qualities in each of their children that they probably
actively scolded their children for yeah and i found that really uh compelling and again like
this show is such a great family watch
that kids of course
are going to put themselves in the
you know the roles of the children in the show
the parents being able to put themselves
and think about like yeah
I would absolutely
well that's that's the thing is
like it and it would be
a good argument for having a little bit more of the parents
stuff but either way with what they have here
yeah it's like it's a nifty
you know there's that element
of any one of these kid
adventures that like oh the parents are
worried. But like here in particular, it feels like there is this element of, yeah, they are now
being thrust into the unknown, you know, as we all are as children, you know, thrust into the
unknown, forced to learn, forced to discover that the world as they know it isn't quite what
they know it to be. And yeah, like that's a nice, it's a very conscientious, you know,
mechanism to employ for a story like this. And like I do appreciate it. It does kind of feel like
you're flipping through like a cereal or like a comic book because it's it's like you check in
with the parents once an episode pretty much at the beginning just have a little and uh and which is
very grounding yeah and it's kind of like as much as part of me would welcome like the sole
solely parents episode the other part of me is like but i do like this other distinct choice to make
it yeah like a thread that we check in with alongside you know each part of the episode and and you know
or his installment of the show
and also these go to
somewhat contribute beyond character
to just the growing
mystery and
revealing of
things around at Aten
but yeah we go let's
let's uh want to dive in let's dive
deeper we got to let's see
through the barrier let's go through the barrier
there right
Miguel
I should say
Matt Michael Teskel
Jedi Master.
What did you think of these three episodes?
We've just binged essentially, you know,
three episodes more normally than we would have.
I'm interested already to watch this again,
just because we've watched who we did two in a day,
and then we did one week for two installments,
and then we've run three right now.
So like just the pace at which we have consumed this show
as just the two of us is a little bit lurched,
but not that that's, you know,
necessarily any sort of big thing to
unpack. I'm just curious
because the people have been out there
digesting these in a more normal
weekly fashion. But what did you think, sir?
Did you have a favorite among these three?
What are you feeling going into the finale?
Lay it on
us.
Obie John Canobey.
Hey. I, for one,
I have to say.
I have to.
No, I have to say.
Okay, okay.
I have to.
All right.
I feel compelled.
That's what someone with something to say that has to say it would say.
This is undoubtedly and undoubtedly.
It's both.
The second or third best Star Wars show yet, period.
End statement.
I might co-sign that.
Are there a couple I haven't seen?
But the competition in my mind, I mean,
you know, I feel like everybody in the room
it would probably, it's becoming
a meme now, and I'm sure some people hate it, but like
Andor, it was probably everyone would
say the top one. And then
some season of the Mandalorian.
One and two of Mando.
Three, skeleton crew.
Skeleton crew. Four.
Soca.
That's right. Five.
Bad batch.
Okay. Six.
Mandalorian
Season three.
Okay.
What other shows?
Obi-One Canobi?
Oh, I totally forgot Obi-Wan.
It was very okay.
Obi, you know, it's funny.
I'm pretty okay.
I really, I loved it, but for all the wrong reasons.
Which reasons for those?
Purely a wave of whimsy nostalgia.
Sure.
That allowed me to write off, you know, like what I love about Skagit.
Chelotin crew is take the Star Wars out of it.
I think it's still a marvelous show.
Yes, I would agree with that.
Take the Star Wars out of Andor.
It's still a marvelous show.
Take the Star Wars out of the Mandalorian.
It's a little confusing, but it's still a really wonderful show.
And I think that's sort of the recipe here.
Is that a recipe for all of fiction is if you take the gimmick out, it should still be good.
Well, it's sort of a, I think when Disney,
first acquired Lucas, there was a healthy assumption that by slapping the name Star Wars
on it and leaning into nostalgia, that you would somehow manage to have the ability to produce
infinite credits. One might say they might be able to open up their own High Republic
Mint. Old Mint. And I wonder if what was this a metaphor? No.
Oh, definitively.
I can imagine this being that.
Because what a great delivery system for that?
What are they mining?
They're mining old Star Wars where there's an unlimited amount of money to be made.
I would have killed if instead of those little credits, it was just filled with like classic action figures.
That's so funny.
Like all of the, uh, the, the, the Boba Fett, uh, action figures that they had to recall because
the, uh, all the shooting jet packs.
Yes.
Um, this is the Star Wars I would write is they would, like, it would be.
be exactly this show until they get to the vault
and then it would be like this weird
nexus point where they're like
wait a minute all the things of our
world of our galaxy yeah
are our toys and
is that a jar jar binks
pez dispenser is that a jar jar binks
lollipop who hyper extends its
jaws so you can lick its tongue
yes which I had
I sure
and I lolliped it
so
I agree though
You know, I think what was really wonderful about this is that they were able to get back to basics.
I think the way in which they delivered the series where, I mean, man, and I'll tell you, I came in burning hot as a hater, you know, like I really did.
I really, really did.
And I want to own that.
I mean, like side of you.
Like, did the, uh, acolyte really break you that hard?
I really had such a, because I love the underlying premise of the acolyte.
I love the idea of exploring a different chapter of the galaxy, new characters, and, and instead what we got.
Jedi Master Gehun.
What instead of what we got was just a really poorly written series that somehow still managed to lean upon, like, nostalgia as its sole source of, you know.
And it just didn't, it didn't, it didn't land the way.
way I wanted it to, which is a shame, because I was, I was rooting for them.
And coming into skeleton crew, I'll tell you what my assumption was.
Let's hear this.
This was, this is what I thought the show was going to be based on the trailers and the things
that I saw.
A group of children who are the Goonies in space, yeah, somehow while traveling to a
different planet, crash, and on a crashed planet that they're on, discover Jude Law
whom opens the rise to the Jedi way.
And he comes out of his shell
after being a Jedi hermit
who has sort of been living in obscurity for a long time
and rediscovers his love of the force and adventures
while all the children come of age.
But it's all on like one planet
and it's scary and there's like horror element.
It has like sort of a little bit of like more of a stranger things vibe.
Sure.
I can see that.
What I did not have, which makes a lot more sense.
Because when I heard skeleton crew, I was like, oh, like, it's cool.
Maybe, like, they, you know, the ship crashes and, like, you know, they find, like, shipwrecks and there's, like, skeletons in it.
I really, I was taking it very literal.
What I wasn't expecting that it was a pirate show.
And, I mean, the skeleton crew is great because as a title, it functions in multiple ways.
Because part of you does think, like, oh, you're going to find, yes, some old ruin of a ship with the bunch of skeletons, but also.
Which they technically did.
Which they technically did.
And they are also technically a skeleton crew
because they're just a tiny crew.
You know, just charting a course haphazardly.
And also, you know, you do get your spooky skeletons.
Yeah, no.
I think what was fun about it is it was similar to OG Star Wars,
it wasn't afraid to genre hop.
And it used the setting of Star Wars in a way that empowered the story
and created sort of like a mystique of history and lore that for like those that are really into
that sort of thing like there was that really weird moment when you're like I've never heard of
this planet um it seems a little too shiny you know and then when when they're like well it's
actually an old republic planet I'm like oh that's so cool and the way it's got to be a nice treat
for you as a more red to star wars fan well well it sort of creates this like something's
off here.
What is off?
And as you start to peel back the layers,
and the same thing with Jod,
where it's, yeah,
he theoretically could be a Jedi
because he's kind of that perfect age
where he would have been a young person
during Order 66.
And so that all of these different components
add these different interesting layers
that when you,
when you peel it back,
it takes the lore and the mythos,
and I think a lot of what they sometimes lean too heavy on,
and it uses it as a tool to propel the story forward
and to reward those that are familiar with it
while also not denying somebody who's not familiar with it
the ability to enjoy the story.
And I think what's really cool about it
is that this somehow runs exactly parallel
to the Mandalorian and Bukubova,
which was very bottom on the list.
Which we did not rank.
I was thinking of it.
Actually, no, I said she won above the accolade.
Maybe.
I got to think about it.
Now, it's below the end.
Accolite.
Justice for the shiny bikes.
Yeah, God, you know, it's fine.
Anyway, so we can discuss the, we can discuss the, I don't know what word I'm looking
for, the less successful installments later.
Yeah, this was fun.
And I was able to at like a very stressful time of year and a very stressful, like to come
and to watch this show.
and to like watch it with a friend who we're finally friends no Greg has just been standing over there this
he watches us well I mean of course friends yeah no but I feel no with friends where we're you know
it was very easy to just like suspend disbelief and to go on this wonderful emotional magical
roller coaster and I never really knew what was going to happen next in a
like yeah it could go that way but they continue to subvert expectation um while never veering so far
from something that was believable um and uh and i give them a lot of credit because
number one i think a lot of people especially post acolyte were coming into this with a very sour
taste in their mouth yep um i think even the like the visuals of like star war suburbia
like pissed people off and threw them off and then they managed to it's a loaded visual in a fun
way well it's loaded but it also they gave such a great canonical explanation of it yeah that makes me
be like yeah of course this like hidden away planet whose sole function is to like meant old
republic credits is going to have this sort of like Norman Rockwell but
Secret's going to be like Epcot.
It's exactly it's experimental prototype community of tomorrow.
Yeah.
You know, and I'm like, yeah.
Everyone just works at the bank.
We just live and work at the bank.
We live and work for the mouse.
I actually lived in the Disney town of Celebration.
Did you know that, John?
What?
Yeah.
A town of celebration.
I'm not a shell.
Well, you don't live there no more.
Oh, boy.
I can't say anything bad about it.
I think that's in the public domain now.
So.
Try to sue me.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Good luck.
We got that steamboat Willie horror movie coming up.
But this year, the normal Mickey Mouse is.
Wow.
Oh, boy.
Oh, we just got Popeye, too, but not Popeye's spinach fixation.
That was added later.
Was it?
So, yeah.
Yeah, I watched a video about Copyright Day.
Buck Rogers, also in the public department.
Rogers.
And some other stuff that I need to go back and finish the video to remember.
ember um but yes what did you think buck i mean i feel like we should i i wanted to hear the end
of of where you were going but i'll pick it up and we can and we can tie it all together because yeah
like this has been really fun show i think partly because of where we are geographically in time
for the journey of this phase of star wars and i think it's a fun show to have an expert and a
noob uh you know uh because i like that we've been
able to share a lot of things
as much as there are things where I can be like
hey what is what's that
and like I have to
imagine that for somebody like me who's
often seeing a Star War and is going like
oh wow this is all kind of discovery
provided whatever
thing we're taking in has some inspiration to it
whereas you know you
I hadn't thought so much about
that I think that's something that they've
been smart to do here and that
they would be smart to do in the future which is obviously
kind of ineffable and hard to orchestrate
as a science but yeah that idea of like let's give people who know this intimately to the
roots some little things to wonder about and to kind of throw you off because then everyone's
having i think just the more you throw people off in entertainment the more potential there is
for people to have fun and to get charmed by it and so like yeah i think it's funny and interesting
and i wonder what level of intent was brought in when it comes to like yeah you see that
promo image of like cookie cutter suburbs of the star wars universe and you're like that's a great
representation of the sort of grim image of what people associate with star wars now this sort of
yeah this manufactured only comprised of its original elements and nothing really that new like
you know it feels like a cookie cutter town if you're looking at it through that particular you know
pov and then also it's coming at you with not only is this
Star Wars, which has just become a nostalgia thing anyway, but also it's another prolific,
nostalgic, resourged genre of, again, the kids on bikes with flashlights, stranger things,
stand by me, goonies, whatever you want to say genre.
And like, while I think it's struck a really nice balance and kind of growth, like,
it's arced in its like storytelling formatting because like, yeah, there are things that
are very much of the genres and, you know,
motifs that they're trying to homage and trope.
But as it's gone, there have been more, yeah,
like strange little twists and turns and developments that you just didn't really expect.
And so, like, there are times when kind of predicting,
it's like when you're listening to a song.
Sometimes it's really satisfying when you can kind of hear what the resolve is going to be
before it comes and it comes.
And it's the resolve that you thought of.
But other times it's fun to, like, see a chord coming and then, oh, there's a left turn.
And I think this show has done both in pretty well-tuned, you know, proportions because, yeah, like, I don't know.
It seems like it's not resting on the idea of like, oh, people love stranger things, so we got to do that.
This is like filling the voice, like, in the culture for a while, they've been like, what's the next Pirates movie going to be?
Pirates of the Caribbean.
It's a hugely successful franchise.
We don't know what to do with it.
We've got to change the guard somehow.
This person can start it.
That person can start with it.
It's been hard to get a pirates going.
And I'm like, this is a great vacuum of entertainment to fill because, like, yeah, as you said, I think part of the thing that charm people so much about the Mandalorian at first was like, oh, hey, this is like overtly turning up the levels on stuff that was originally inspiring Star Wars.
And here, you know, as opposed to something like, you know, samurai stories or, you know, old Westerns.
Not that this doesn't also have that.
But yeah, this is like, oh, yeah, coming of age.
It's a new thing we can throw into Star Wars.
Star Wars that is, you know, just a category unto itself.
And oh, hey, pirate thing.
That's another thing that we haven't in the main entertainment.
We have Han.
We have smugglers.
We have pirate stuff.
But this is so pirate-centric and it's using all the tropes of a pirate story also.
And I feel like they found the right blend of familiar genre choices to make like a cool
new thing in Star Wars that also, again, captures, yeah, that element of nostalgia that has
always been there.
Because what was George Lucas doing at the beginning?
He was finding a new fun way to incorporate the stuff he grew up loving,
which is what most artists are doing in a lot of ways.
But, yeah, this, I feel like they really thought about how to have all the fun of a few genres.
And then also, he said something about just the pacing of the story.
It's like they allow for these intimate moments to arise where you didn't think they would necessarily.
And as much as I might, a way to see all this ends up,
but I do want to watch this again
in like a normal fashion
because like the kids
I really like
and I enjoy their ensemble
a part of me
still feels like
there's maybe like a bit
of an episode missing
to help me like love them
it's taking me a while
to like learn their names
which is you know
a metric you can put on
anyone's effort
but also I feel like
if a show is really
punching it with the characters
you'll probably learn their names
pretty quick or quicker
unless their names
are Jodd Nanawan
or whatever has like that
I don't know
Something about it, that name in particular just like confounds my, my processor.
Jadanaway?
Jod Nanawood.
That's what I said.
Jadnaway.
He's a king shark because that's all I think of.
What I think, something mysterious has occurred in the Star Wars universe, I don't think it's a setting anymore.
I think it's a genre in of itself.
Oh, that's a good way to put.
that.
That's a really good way to put that.
And I think the challenge that Disney has had is that they've, they continue to play stories
in the setting, but they have yet to identify what the core genre DNA of Star Wars is.
And for a moment, I think they deceived themselves into thinking that it was a space western.
Which, sure, that is a component of it.
Yeah.
But I think why this series succeeded.
so much
and I also think
if you look at it
from a slightly
different point of view
no pun intended
every Star Wars story
is a coming of age story
every great Star Wars story
is a coming of age story
from the moment we met Luke
we found a protagonist
who was
going to confront
a galaxy that they were not yet
prepared to face
and they had
a thought, a whimsy about what it may be like, and the reality was different. And that coming
of age can take a lot of different shapes. It can be, you know, a small, you know, slave boy from
Tatouine that, you know, ends up joining the Jedi order. And his idea of what the Jedi are
is completely different from what the experience is. And his coming of age doesn't necessarily
have the ending that you want, but, but he still came of age. And I'd even argue for, for Andor, and for
some of these like really compelling characters just because you're not 13 doesn't mean you can't
come of age you can't have one of those you can't have like a profound growth of character and
rise to a call of some kind yeah and and a lot of that means like confronting the vastness of the
galaxy and accepting it for for what it is and coming to terms with your place in it and ideally owning that
And throughout sort of the Star Wars, you know, like I look at like Asoka.
Did you watch Asoka?
Yes.
Did we watch Asoka together?
Yes.
That's so awkward.
I was.
It's okay.
It's okay.
They all run together.
It's all right.
Asoka, I think, struggled because it wasn't a coming of age in any sense.
Like you had a character, you had two characters in the form of Asoka and Sabine.
Yeah.
Like, Asoka, in so many ways at that point in the series had come of age, and they were trying to, like, force this sort of interesting dynamic between the Padawan and Master that just, it didn't quite translate.
And Sabine never really had that arc.
And I think part of why they struggled with that is because they did such a beautiful job of those arcs in the Clone Wars and Rebels, respectively, where both of those characters are fan favorites.
You know, so it's sort of an interesting, I think that's why we love Star Wars, like, at its
core is like, God, you know, even Obi-Wan stepping up to the mantle of becoming a master
to Anakin and how uncum, how viscerally uncomfortable that makes him because he's unprepared.
I mean, I think that's sort of like the gift of George Lucas, right?
And, like, the settings, you know, the type of vibes and feelings that you get, yes, it changes.
But that overall genre of Star Wars, this idea that, like, a farm boy from Tatooine can go on to take on an empire, that is self-evident in the most compelling characters in the franchise.
And it's why we hold on to them.
And for me, this was just wonderful because I think that it wasn't just the kids who were experienced.
and seeing that coming of age.
I think it was also the parents,
as I mentioned earlier,
who were going through their own sort of coming of D-age
in order to find the part of themselves
required to muster the courage
to break out of their day-to-day lives
in order to save their kids.
And I think it's also Jod.
I think Jod is going through a really interesting
sort of this, like,
where do I fit in in this galaxy?
And we've seen these ebbs and flows,
but behind the,
the clear desire for treasure and all of that,
there definitely has been some form of growth.
And whenever you have growth,
there is that tremendous amount of pressure
where you almost sort of double down on all the bad behaviors
and all the things that you're evolving from.
And I'm hoping that that's where he's at.
But like, you know.
Yeah.
And two with Jack, jawed, whatever is,
Silvo.
uh his many names i think yeah the more he develops i i like that you have the mystery of where
he'll land but you also have just this greater sense of like these past couple episodes especially
i'm like i can see the rage and like there's i can see all the questions i have what i can see
coming off of the performance and the writing anyway are are pinging off all those things and going like
what happened to you man like who who are you why why can you be so warm
and avuncular and rascally at times
Like in the first half of the series
He does have not
I've heard some people compare him to Jack Sparrow
And like in a sense
But like he's way more present
Than Jack obviously
But he's got that in him
And he has like that tender moment
With Wim or anything
Yeah
He's got that like kind of fatherly moment
With Wim at one point
And he's like empowered and helped
The kids at points
When it's obviously been working for him
But like he's really been a bastard
These last couple episodes
and really ruthless.
And I like that the show A doesn't have to have him as the lead
so that he can have that latitude and longitude to do that.
But it just, yeah, it makes me wonder like,
oh, what really happened to you as a person?
Have you ever, like, do you have, like, any, like, relatives
that, like, escaped a war in a different country
or something like that?
Goodness, not very close and not probably alive anymore.
So, like, not close range.
The vibe, the vibe that I get, um, is sort of a, there is a, a warmness and a
familiarness, right?
Um, where, and in those moments, in all of those moments, he was quoting different
Jedi masters.
Mm.
All of those.
There are little nuggets of, of, of, of, of quotes.
Watching a group of kids, when you are an older person that has experienced trauma,
and war and survived if he is a Jedi, a Jedi genocide, you know, like, and then watching these
privileged kids who take everything for granted. Yeah. Who like overly romanticize what has been like
the most trepidacious and awful thing of his life. I mean, they're throwing around these credits with
no idea what they're even worth, you know? Yeah. And they made me wonder. And they've never been hungry.
Yeah. During this episode, I thought to myself, what if he was like a kid who,
lived through Order 66. That's definitively what happened. Like, yeah, he's got, yeah, the tutelage,
it would come out in the lessons, you would understand how he's able to access that within
himself. And yet, especially as of these couple episodes, you could see why, yeah, I, as a head
canon, again, just reacting to this, it really does feel like, yeah, this guy is, he probably
turned to a life of piracy. He still has whatever training he had up to that point. There's probably
suddenly, suddenly he found an iteration of family.
suddenly he found an iteration of safety.
He has never been able to hold the name.
Yeah.
You know,
which,
you know,
and even how he communicates about attachments and how dangerous attachments are is so typical of the Jedi way.
And I think it's sort of the great irony of the Jedi way, right?
Is that that unwielding desire to remove yourself from all attachments to avoid the path to the dark
side inadvertently that repression of emotion with no attachment.
Well, that's exactly, you know, but that's sort of the larger folly of the Jedi.
And it's, I love that.
It's an interesting debate.
Luke is the one, well, there's no, I don't even think there's the debate.
I think that the minute that Luke threw his lightsaber down and said, no, that's my dad,
that was it.
Because his attachment, his love for his father, overcame the anger and the,
frustration if he had had no attachments if he had kept going
Vader would have never been redeemed
and Luke would have never become the Jedi that he was meant to
become and you know and I think that's something that Star
Wars and very cleverly George Lucas
you know I don't say retcon but created sort of the
yeah here are these really strict guidelines that no person
with a heart can live by and every Jedi
is not only tempted by it but gives into it in the same way
that like, you were my brother, Anakin.
You were my brother.
That's attachment.
Of course.
That's attachment, you know.
And so this, in my mind, is Jodd is pushing further and further back from the children.
Yeah.
Because every time he has given into attachment, which the Jedi have taught him not to believe in,
it has left him wrought and in heartbreak.
And weirdly enough, I think that's him holding on to this element of his Jedi teachings in order to protect himself.
The reason that he's become worse as the show has gone on is because he's become more and more attached to these kids.
Yeah.
You know, which has actually felt like a really beautiful kind of proportional thing.
Like the interesting thing for me about this show, too, has been in the most.
moment watching them they're so fun they're easy to digest they have all this flight and fancy
and in and i don't mean this as a slight it's weird in the moment i'm having a good time
and it's that thing of like this isn't like the deepest thing ever and i'm not really thinking
about that and it seems fun and bouncy but then when when i'm done i get more out of it than i
thought i was getting while i was watching it like it does kind of fly by in a way that is like
light in a way and it's not necessarily yeah like going big for like you know monologing and
deconstruction of ideas or whatever but like I feel like just yeah in the conception of this and in the
writing they've put a lot of flavor and a lot of rich stuff in there so that like yeah even if
it's not bonky like I feel like with a lot of these shows there have been these structures where
you know you'll kind of see the story coming and then they'll get to the end of six episodes and
be like here's a big reveal which is what you've been expecting which is what it seemed like
the story was always leading to and you know we've talked about how like sometimes the shows are
you could have done this in three episodes or sometimes it's like damn you really needed 10
this has felt like with his arc and the other things that have been happening again I would
like to see how it feels in terms of smoothness on like a more consistently structured watch
but from here at least it seems like this has been a conscientious this was conscientious in
it's design and i got a credit you know everybody involved i mean you know john watson chris for
being the showrunners like it's it's nice to see that this is possible and that you know in the
grander disney scale of things with all these disney plus shows anyway there's a lottery of like
how well thought out was this in advance and this feels like it was thought out in advance and
probably unencumbered by needing to be modulated by a bunch of other things there was no lord
drop required like like this got back to you know uh
I've done, like, extensive thinking, probably more than your, a normal human being would do in terms of like, why do the prequels work?
Like, they really shouldn't.
Like, they've aged, like, fine wine.
But there are such a divergence from the original Star Wars, right?
Like, it's hard to, for somebody that's never seen Star Wars to, like, watch four, five, and six and then go watch, like, episode two.
you know it's like a jarring experience um but i i think there is a a certain level of beauty
in in balance that comes with at the heart of each of those films is this powerful personal
story and we experienced the galaxy through the perspective of these characters that are compelling
and that are interesting.
And they allow us to understand the conditions of.
So, like, for example, you find a desolate waste
where you have to literally harvest moisture
in order to survive.
And you see somebody who consistently can't even leave,
can't even get out of that cycle
because of the fear that the family has
of what that will do if they don't have one extra hand on the farm.
That makes the empire feel,
definitively not like good guys, you know?
Like they're up to,
they're not delivering.
There's not comfort.
There's not peace.
There's not,
you know,
all those different experiences.
And when you go into the world of the prekels,
you sort of have this interesting,
there is a tremendous amount of,
and some of it's done in the form of politicking,
but there is this really powerful relationship
between master and apprentice.
and all these sort of really different personal, powerful dynamics that, like, yeah, you begin to, like, experience Annikin's distrust and hatred of the system of the political system through the perspective of him being in love with somebody who is just constantly in a state of frustration over how things are going.
And it's sort of this like, like, well, yeah, he's at an exist point because he's dating somebody who's, he's with somebody on one hand who is involved in the,
political machinations and he's also at the top of this order of you know monks essentially
being primed to have the means to make it better theoretically yeah you know and but but we explore
the institution of the republic and the institution of the jedi order through the personal experiences
of the characters and like when they don't give him the rank of master and you're watching all
this like malarkey go on that's just like absolutely confounding it's hard not to be like
yeah that's kind of messed
the whole thing
is just kind of messed up
you know but but you do it in a way
that you explore it through the
lens and through the experiences
of characters that you fall in love with
and I think that's something that
this does really well at
and sort of gets back to basics
is that like I'm experiencing
these children going through
this journey and adventure
and I am just as clueless as they are
what they've been able to tell me
about their planet and their existence
and the amount of lore
that they've been able to build
solely around how they interact
in a completely opposite environment
is to me like
again it's
it's a setting
but it's more than that
it's a genre
and that genre is
it's extraordinary characters
that are as fantastical
and diverse and interesting
as the galaxy itself
exploring a galaxy of
limitless storytelling opportunities
and it's nice to see them beginning
to realize what they actually bought
in the first place.
Yeah. And I hope that this could continue
it's again, I'm curious to see what will happen here
because thankfully this has gone off
with relatively little incident.
I feel like it's almost best
when you're not hearing that much about a Star War
and not that I'm on social media all the time
But, like, I feel like I definitely heard about the acolyte and I didn't have to try.
It always got back to me what people were saying about the acolyte.
And at one point in time, that was the Mandalorian and people loving on it.
But this seems like something I'm curious to see what happens here because the good positive reception from both critics and audiences is a nice thing.
This does seem to be part of, again, their sort of big more is more campaign.
But yeah, I mean, I think something.
like and or working despite how different it is kind of bolsters the potential success of something
like this because look at what people might point to in recent Star Wars as some of the better
things and they are these more isolated more curious more slightly off the beaten path
again like Star Wars yeah it's a setting and George Lucas at first and the various directors
who helped you know comprise the original three and then I'll even throw the prequel in there
because that's kind of when you're still in pure territory I guess
You know, it's like in that place, you know, there's not the context of like, well, Star Wars isn't the institution yet that it is now.
And, you know, certainly it was to some degree in the 90s.
But even to then, you still have like the original authors and there's a sense of like, I'm just going to try stuff and I'm going to do things in my world.
And I feel like it's harder to from both, I imagine, a producerial standpoint, as well as from a director standpoint or whoever to come in and be like, okay, we need the right amount of, of under.
understanding of what this is, but also, like, enough non-reverance to, you know, allow somebody to actually, like, take it and...
Do you remember when the Force Awakens trailer dropped on Thanksgiving of 2000?
Yeah, what was that?
Yeah.
When we all found out that Stormtroopers could be black.
We've always known that.
What?
I didn't know that.
What we didn't know is that stormtroopers could take off their helmets.
Oh.
I'm kidding. No, we did do that. We knew that from episode before.
I was going to say, they mugged those guys, they took their suits, their armor.
But I remember watching that trailer over and over and over and over again.
And pausing it at every little interval to try to see all of the little things that I could pull from.
Easter eggs and all of that.
And, you know, I feel like there's sort of a, and you see it with Marvel, too, right?
Like, there is this sort of over-dependence on that where at the time I had all of it in the galaxy, right?
I remember when Easter eggs were literally things that were just for a couple people to catch maybe, and now it's like, they must be here.
It's every little frame.
It's the seeing.
And they must be prominent.
And seeing the X-Wing in the sand on Jakku.
I remember what Easter eggs were like,
you had to mess with your DVD player
and, like, push the buttons in ways
they shouldn't go to find a secret option.
Anyway, sorry.
But they got up, they,
I think they were thoroughly convinced
that they could just ride on that forever.
And after end game,
and I honestly, I think after the Force Awakens,
like immediately after,
there was just this sort of like,
no, we want.
more, but we don't know how to articulate it.
And, you know, and I'm really interested.
Like, and or season two, I think, is going to be really interesting.
You know, I know the plan was always two seasons, so that makes me feel a little bit better
about it.
But, like...
But there's definitely got to be some level of interaction with the massive success of the show.
Well, yes.
And also, like, what does that mean for a show, like, skeleton crew?
Like, I don't know what the numbers on this have been.
But if this was a huge commercial success,
for Disney, are they capable
of just letting the story
be? Or
will we see these characters
again? In the next movie,
they're all going to, everyone from every show is going to be
the next movie. Well, listen, it wouldn't surprise me
if Jod is in the next movie. Like, timeline
wise, it makes sense and all of that.
And part of me is like, yeah, that would be
really cool, but also part of me is like
this was a really wonderful, isolated
story. And I kind of love the idea of
just letting it
be. I think they should
resolved. I think
we'll see how it works at DC, but I think
the James Gunn principle rings true. I'm like, if
we have a good script and a story to
tell, then let's
tell that. And hey, if that's a sequel
maybe or involves some past characters,
great. But like, it's not
the same thing as this at all, but like
talking to the guys who made the new Wallace and Gromit movie.
They were like, oh yeah, we were making a 30 minute short
at first. It just wasn't working until we
found out, until we figured out, oh, this other
character from before who we had
would be a perfect way to
inject some actual stakes, and now we have a
full-ass feature movie. And I'm like, that
sounded like, and in the experience
of that movie, was like, oh, very organic.
This makes sense. It's cool to see this
character again, but also there's a reason.
And I feel like one thing that has
plagued so many of these shows is just that like
the writing, it was watching
Loki, season two again, after so
many other things from this stretch of
Marvel, was like, oh, whoa,
you can just tell that they had
and ironed out a plan. And I'm sure
that a plan got updated over time, but not in
the same way it does when you're like conceiving something with the
intent of changes and yeah modularity in mind and so uh yeah that's really that's well
said it's sort of a i think that we is a like consumer of content culture and even like
have done to producers and creators that the only way that your series can be considered
to success is if it achieves multiple seasons instead of being focused on telling a really great
cohesive story. And that's sort of something that I love about like limited series, you know,
or like, like they know what they are, so they're able to lean in that without worrying about
what comes next. I think something that I've really enjoyed about this is that there is a pretty
high probability that they can just close this story out in the next episode and that we'll feel
satisfied um and like sure they could leave a thread but unlike uh the acolyte for instance which like
i've never you know and i don't this is no disrespect to you know anybody that worked on it but like
i've never seen a show try so hard to get a second season um and it tried so hard that it
failed to produce a good first season and you know and i think that's sort of i think that's the
thing that a limited series allows you to do is is without the intent and knowledge of like we want
this to be a million things you can just leave it all on the table and then if it does that well
like squid game if it does that well you can come back and go well shit we left it all on the table
now we got to work even harder and find a bit of inspiration and all for all intents and purposes
it worked pretty well for them and certainly it can go very arrive don't mean on your merits you know
I think is what it comes down to is have a great story to tell um well final thoughts we'll do a quick
rundown of everything that was good in these two
episodes. I really loved
Lanupa. Lanupa was magic.
Like White Lotus
Star Wars all day. Want the
Spinoff series right this minute.
The Onyx cinder really enjoyed
all the sort of like, ooh, the mystical ship
stuff with that. The whole thing with the big
bottom feeder
lobster machine trying to eat
them up was pretty sweet.
Follow.
Oh, the little trash
droids, little hermit crab
droids. I really did appreciate
to that episode, what was it, the Zero Friends episode, you know, with the kids having
their own... That to me was the most important development episode. I wish that we had as much
time with Bluey and Fern. It feels like the centerpiece was women in KB in that, which I loved
those bits. And I loved the use of the augmentations and the cool future sci-fi body mods for
something other than
oh cool shit
like it was it was a really
as I said you know
in real time like
what a brilliant way
to communicate disability
in that experience
in a way that like
wasn't forced
or wasn't like
so on the nose
when it takes the moments
to like articulate
like that's the thing
is like the kids
have a really natural rapport
together and like
the fun stuff
and the perilous stuff
all hits right
but like
they always strike me
most when they take
those brief like
oh dang
we're having like an
intimate sort of like how do you describe as a kid like you know uh I'm different now and
she doesn't really like acknowledge that and like the different you can kind of see what's
happening and it's it's the way that was articulated and conceived of in the writing as well
just seemed like oh yeah that's a nice a really nice thing you did not have to do that goes all the
like it is the mind of a child is like that's some of the best stuff you can do in a show like this
and I hardly agree and yeah I really like the moment like the performance
that moment all that stuff uh pocket fun little addition there bounty hunter oh that was yeah that
was i i really enjoyed that entire like uh it's so funny because everything that i hated about
cantobite oh yeah you know like like they took so many of the similar beats if you think about
like what it represents and what it is but it was just executed in like such a better uh just such a better way
Um, and, you know, I really, I enjoyed like the Indiana Jones callbacks, like, and that is another instance.
When Disney borrows from Doctor Who, they often come up with some gold because Lanupa is a doctor, is pretty much a Doctor Who episode.
I've seen three versions of. Uh, and, and yeah, like, like, like, Loki is very Doctor Who, like, there are various things in Marvel that borrow from Dr.
like when they when they yeah they they they lean in on it and and it was that episode was fun because
the the easter eggs were subtle like so subtle i mean like even this sort of like antique
lightsaber that was in even in like the hilt design very much like a high republic old republic
style i was like that's so cool like they're even setting like the the antiquity of of this
and taking this feeling of Indiana Jones and history
and applying it to the Star Wars Galaxy.
And what a fun way to explore that.
And putting them in appropriate places
for those kinds of references to show up.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And then it's just like the novel idea of like that it's underneath
this luxury spa.
It's just so.
With a Cthulu guy.
Funny.
With like Catholic, my dude.
Which like putting like not not beating around the bush
calling him what he is.
You know?
So good.
And that's an instance where I'm like everybody, we're far enough along now that no one thinks you're cool because you know who H.B. Lovecraft is so that we can have fun with that and acknowledge outside of Star Wars in a fun, cheeky way. And, you know, she looks like Jorny.
There's a celebration of.
Even like Brutus being the one that like stabs Jodd in the back.
Like, you know, it's not afraid to be a little bit on the nose, but it still delivers on all fronts.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's smartly constructed for all those things.
So when it's doing that stuff, it's having fun.
I had a great thingy there that I could have capped us off with.
So way before Brutus, who did you mention?
You mentioned somebody else.
Oh, that's what it is.
I heard some advice once, and it's not anything mind-blowing.
Basically, someone, I can't remember who.
They asked like, hey, what would you tell, you know,
what's your advice for, like, people who want to write horror?
Some horror person talking about this.
and it was like read other stuff go out and read a bunch of or watch a bunch of other kinds of stuff and then bring that because if you're only reading horror you're going to limit yourself and i feel like this show has done a nice sort of example of that where it's like yeah it's got all the star war stuff because of course but like so many moments stand out where they're clearly nodding at other things and some of those are well within the lucasy sort of wheelhouse but other things are a little beyond that in ways that are fun and i feel like
that keeps
Star Wars
feeling alive
versus feeling like this thing
we keep trying to plug in.
We talk about cinematic universes a lot.
This is a whole freaking galaxy, man.
And stuff like this,
stuff like this that maybe isn't as
like earth-shattering
makes the map feel bigger,
ironically.
Alderan shattering?
That's right.
Absolutely.
I'm always thinking of Alderan.
Rest in pieces.
No, and just on a final note,
there is something,
something to be said, it doesn't always happen.
They try sometimes, sometimes it's more effective than others.
When a ship becomes a character, there is something really, really wonderful.
And it's something I think the pre-
Even the ship comes in it.
Yeah, no, but actually, it has its metamorphosis.
You never pushed that button.
And part of it is that the ship itself became like a younger version of itself, you know,
which I think is genuinely at the heart of it.
of this series.
And it's also,
and this is,
I think we should close it.
It's also a call
to action for the audience.
It is,
stop with all the grumpy,
crumagony exterior
that we have.
And let's go back
to that inner child,
that thing that made us
fall in love
of the galaxy far,
far away in the first place.
And let's not be afraid
to see where
that adventure
takes us. Yeah. Absolutely. Well said. Thanks, John. That is beautiful. Also, I hope they paste Smee's
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