The Reel Rejects - SNOWPIERCER (2013) IS HARROWING!! MOVIE REVIEW!! First Time Watching

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Starting point is 00:01:57 I like it. Yeah, this was... was a really, again, I, as mentioned a couple times, right, I did not know what to expect to be into this. I'm always a sucker for a very good post-apocalyptic feel, and I felt this was a very unique take on the genre, especially confined to one, confined space like it was. I found very fascinating, and then again, this director really does a, understands, understands the nuances of social constructs and social class. And I found that, again, the journey of seeing from the tail end to the front end

Starting point is 00:02:37 was quite a journey in itself. And then the characters are just so, so rich in how they're written and acted, of course. Like, this might be my, again, I know we always talk about recency bias. I'm going to have to sit on it, but this might be one of, if not my favorite, Chris Evans' acting performances, that one scene of him giving that monologue. It brought me to tears because I was like in the moment with him. I felt everything that he had went through in all that time. And like the horrors that they had to deal with.

Starting point is 00:03:12 And again, just talking about the social constructs of what would like people in, again, we don't deal with situations like this on a confined train in a post-apocalyptic world. But again, just the social balance that we have in. society nowadays, like, people are, yeah, condenses that hierarchy into a linear line. Yeah, no, for sure. And I thought this film did a really good and mature job of just explaining that. But like, I, I just really felt for his, again, you feel for these characters right

Starting point is 00:03:41 away. Again, you're empathetic for them and the situation that they deal with because the first, in the first few moments, I said, the living conditions here. And again, the set design, it just evoke a certain sense of like what they are going through immediately and then obviously you see like the tort yeah the tort the torturous uh things that they do and how they feel uh about them from the hierarchy down um it's it's quite palpable and also like uh it's impressive like what what how they were able to establish that um but then again like the the emotion that that chris evans evoked out of me personally and just like that scene like

Starting point is 00:04:18 that really was one of the most y'all know me uh quint is my favorite monologue of all time with Jaws, but this one is right damn well there. That was really powerful. Just an incredible film in general, the storytelling, the fascination, the subversion of expectations, like nobody was safe in this film, and I found that to be very fascinating as well. And this film did not rely on formulaic tropes in any way, because every time I thought, as expecting it to go there, I know I made the one prediction of, he's going to make the ultimate sacrifice, but it's not very much prediction in a post-apocalyptic film i think that's usually the norm um but in general like it was just not nothing was really on my bingo card that happened uh just so many things where i was like this

Starting point is 00:05:05 just blew my mind like the scene to this scene to this scene um so i got a lot more to say john why don't you take it away yeah no this was such a striking experience and really well directed really well conceived and really well acted and well cast too because I think you know this kind of story they smartly used the fact that you are familiar with certain actors to you know make it that much more tangible and threatening when they are killed and so yeah like you expect certain people to make it a certain amount of the way or whatever and it really kind of shows its hand by going no nobody's safe like the only person you can kind of count on perhaps making it to the end is Chris Evans and probably um uh oh god I forget

Starting point is 00:05:57 what the character's name is but you know the the guy who's opening up all the gates with his daughter right right um you know you can kind of imagine that they will make it but yeah so many people uh you know so many recognizable actors go down in such tragic ways and it really does like kind of it's smart to use the fact that you have an association to bridge a little bit of that gap and then give you the context on top of all that. And, you know, for a story about a character who's being thrust into a leadership position but doesn't want that leadership position, I thought it was a really nice twist, but, you know, certainly a fascinating and a well-earned twist that, like, no, I get why this guy doesn't want the leadership position because of the traumatic things he's

Starting point is 00:06:41 been through and the person that he was before we meet him as the leader. And so yeah, to have Chris Evans in a place where, and I forget how close to Captain America we are, even if this is 2014, we're actually not that far into the MCU even. This is the year Winter Soldier came out. So yeah, he's established as Captain America. His star is on the rise. But this certainly, yeah, like especially picks up a certain amount of contrast that much more now that we've seen the full run of his time as Steve Rogers. So you have like this automatic trust that you place in him as a as a character and then you can imagine I like that aspect. You imagine that oh like whatever darkness is in his past is probably sympathetic and it's probably something that you know isn't

Starting point is 00:07:30 as you know harsh or brutal as it would he would let on and no it truly is and to have it be that like you know the Jamie Bell character his second in command this guy. who looks up to him so much. There's way more to it than that. Like, you literally gave me, you and Gilliam in a turn of events, like gave me my life in so many ways. And the motif with the arm,

Starting point is 00:07:53 you know, you see what happens to the Ewan Bremener character. And, you know, and to even John Hurt walking around with the, you know, the peg leg and the, you know, hook hand.

Starting point is 00:08:05 Yeah, like you think, oh, they must have been punished for something. And then no, come to find, you know, Chris Evans tried to take that leadership step and couldn't do it, even after, you know,

Starting point is 00:08:17 John Hurt stepped up. And, uh, and yeah, like, it draws this fascinating portrait of things. And it, yeah, just like has this nature where you start and you feel like, okay, we're, we're getting to know what society we're in and we're getting to know what these conditions are like. And you think like, oh, we're going to, you know, obviously something is going to happen that's going to overthrow the order of how things work on this train, especially when you join everybody in such a harsh, dingy environment. But yeah, it's like it throws you in when like the plan is already cooking and we're already kind of on the precipice of making a move. And they do a really good job of drawing the time and the urgency of things to where you're like, I don't

Starting point is 00:09:00 know if it's going to pop off. But it seems like there are a lot of different moments of opportunity and the opportunities seem precious. And there are points of no return. And there are, you know, little windows that you have to take. And so it, as much as it is like a physically linear movie leading to a, you know, physical endpoint that is straight down the train, uh, there are so many, yeah, interesting flavors and comments about a society, you know, like obviously there's the, the sort of general nature of, you know, how we look upon different casts and classes of society and what your own caster class, you know, does to inform how you view, especially the ones that you perceive

Starting point is 00:09:41 to be lower than you and to come to find at the very end. It's interesting because, you know, I imagine we're supposed to take that as as truth, but it is heart-wrenching. And I like that there's a little bit of ambiguity. Is Wilford telling the truth about Gilliam? I have to imagine he probably is, but at the same time, it kind of doesn't matter. Yeah. And it is. And it It does have that thing where, yeah, there's that sort of matrixe element, actually. Yeah, he goes to see the architect and then he learns that, oh, like even your rebellion, even you as this prophet as this symbol of resistance and symbol of freedom in a different way is actually just part of the plan, which is heartbreaking and which, you know, goes to show

Starting point is 00:10:28 that there's like a greater, I would love to sit with this and dissect it because, again, the fact that you have this development of like, oh, no, you know, like the leader of, you know, the people who everyone looks at, the person who everyone looks at to lead them, uh, is, you know, is somehow involved with the nefarious scheme or the, the sort of unjust system that we all have to live under and that we all feel like we're fighting against. And I feel like there is some interesting, you know, stuff to unpack because you could imagine like, yeah, these other attempts at escaping or attempts at rebellion or attempts at overthrowing the order. Those were part of the plan. Those were, you know, a means to, uh, you know, culling a certain amount of the

Starting point is 00:11:14 population and resetting things to an established balance or order. And I like that the movie doesn't necessarily have to resolve itself for you. You can kind of look at the array of things and then dissect that for yourself. You're looking at the back end of the train and you're like, damn, you know, is this, is there an established order that necessitates this? Like, this seems like the lie or at least the illusion that somebody at the very front of the train would perpetuate. It seems like there's certainly enough space for all of us and it's the debate about living, about being in the world and being humanity. It's that thing about like the train is the world. We are humanity. And humanity is so many sort of contrasting things and conflicting

Starting point is 00:12:00 things and that notion that yeah everyone was fighting and eating each other until somebody stepped up and presented a leader, Gilliam, you know, presented that something to, you know, stand behind or something to get on board with and turning the carnage. It's like the same thing is happening except now we're looking after each other and now we are creating community around our harsh circumstances rather than just being, you know, roaches scattering and wool. all biting each other. And there's, you know, it's, yeah, it's opaque enough and it has enough twists and turns that you could sit and reflect. And I feel like this is the kind of movie that will give you more

Starting point is 00:12:41 in terms of subtext and messaging. The more you reflect on it and the more you watch it, you know, I feel like this is definitely a movie that will probably reward the repeat viewing by giving you. Yeah, interesting details or pieces of subtexts that are easier to catch once you know what the main action and the main text is. is yeah um but yeah chris evans especially like i i i love this for him to borrow a phrase from the the slang of today because this is perhaps the most unique role i've seen him in i mean i he's in sunshine and that's certainly a movie that you i love that movie um and it certainly uses him in a way that isn't quite reliant on the modes that you know him from in terms of yeah like

Starting point is 00:13:28 being a smart ass or you know a noble you know warrior character or something like that or charming or charming yeah here you feel all the weight of his burden and the twisted nature of what he's dealing with and his own nature as a person and yeah like that moment where you watch as he makes the crucial choice it's interesting you know because you think okay so if even if gilliam and wilford are talking on the phone and do kind of have a communication like you know there is that element oftentimes to you know especially disparate classes as there has to be some kind of intermediary and there have to be conversations between the top and the bottom that we're all not the rest of us aren't privy to but maybe gilliam you know

Starting point is 00:14:15 this is his way of of truly like maybe he's it's it's weird it's nefarious to think of that and it's heartbreaking to think of that that he was in cahoots perhaps with wilford and maybe sold us all out. But at the same time, maybe Wilford knew. It's like Wilford keeps saying, like, you know, you're so entertaining. You keep giving us these surprises and, and this rush of unpredictability. You were only supposed to make it so far. And I feel like this was Gilliam. He's constantly trying to hand over the leadership to Chris Evans to Curtis. And I feel like there's probably something within that character that knows like, no, you can make it to the end and you can actually completely change the order of things potentially. And then on top of all that,

Starting point is 00:15:00 it's the question of like, do we reset the train? Do you take the engine and then attempt to redistribute how things work around here? Because that's just going to only lead to more cardage when the halves are forced to give up some and the half-nots are going to be so desperate for anything that you can see how much chaos would happen there. And then you arrive at the ultimate an answer of no, no, no, we just got to go outside and start a new. And, you know, I like that detail, too, of like, if you look outside, you can see more and more and more of this plane every year that we're passing. The snow is melting. The temperatures are changing. There's just so much there. I've been talking forever. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're good. I was just

Starting point is 00:15:40 going to say, like, it is interesting to, uh, interpret that, uh, in regards to if Gilliam was in cahoots with them. I like how they left it ambiguous. Um, because you can't say, yeah, because a lot of the conversation either he had ears everywhere or they are in cahoots but also too you could make an argument or a case too that wilford is just emotionally manipulating him because he is getting old and his time is almost up and he does need chris evans so he's having him take his place and also he sees a little bit in him that that grit and determination and that survival mode of will to live so type of thing so it's fun to speculate um you know if gilliam was in cahoots with him I also do like the point you make about, obviously it was, you know, they give us the foreshadowing and the symbolism in the film when he's doing that incredible monologue again, where the reveal is happening again. I really want to emphasize again how much I love these slow reveals that come out that they really take their time with. And they're so damn satisfying because you don't expect them coming, but they service the characters and the plot. Those are the pest kind of slow type of reveals. But when he's explaining that whole thing and he's talking about how,

Starting point is 00:16:49 He's the one who was going to eat, eat the baby that was Jamie Bell's character. And that Gilliam is the one who cut off his arm to become the leader. And they also said, yeah, but they also said earlier in the film that he needs to become the, that Chris Evans, Curtis needs to become the leader. That's a foreshadowing of I need to give up my arm type of subtext. Yeah, that's coming back. I couldn't do it even if so many people did. And then I literally offer up my arm to save this kid. Yeah, but that's literally, exactly.

Starting point is 00:17:18 Exactly. But that's literally what you're saying where you will be rewarded with repeat type of viewings because when you hear that line in the film, you're so taken up back by this incredible performance in the monologue that you're not thinking about. He's going to literally give up his left arm to save another child's life in that moment. But again, you do the repeat being like, okay, now I see this, where this is going, where this is coming from. But I agree with your point about you will be rewarded with repeat viewings on several different things. And also, too, like, knowing things that you know, like the protein block, like, fascinating. I wonder what the, is that fruit leather? What is it? Yeah. Is it just some kind of gelatin that they inject protein? No, it sits up in different. Yeah, because that's what they feel that that social class deserves. That's, that's what they are. They are peasants and they are bugs.

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Starting point is 00:21:16 they're not doing this just to feed people and keep people from eating each other. They're probably also doing this as a means of pest control. You know, like they're probably doing this to get rid of the insects and, and things they find in the rest of the train. But yeah, like that moment with Jamie Bell where, you know,

Starting point is 00:21:35 they're in the fight. And even that was like the aesthetic details, all these dudes and ski masks with night vision and these spears and axes and stuff. Like it's ghoulish. It's almost like punk or it's almost like a Hellraiser movie or something like that. Like it borders on being horror and sci-fi at the same time. And, you know, that moment where he does, you can, like, that was such a striking moment because I was looking for a better word than moment. But, you know, like you're arrested in those seconds when you're like, the protagonist of most movies would turn back or do something to save this guy because of the.

Starting point is 00:22:15 that they have and in that moment the movie kind of makes it clear to you like no no no no no this is it like we are all fighting for the quote greater good or for like the bigger picture we've come this far I am the leader I have to make

Starting point is 00:22:31 this choice to move forward and to gain this bargaining chip in the Tilda Swinton character who like she was having such a good time with this completely yeah unflattering character to play and even the way they disbanding dispatched her and like the whole thing in the school car with Alice and Pill constantly going in

Starting point is 00:22:51 and out from like it's sweet and she's teaching the kids and it's all colorful and like clearly they don't know the real nature of things but you know and it's like you can see there's the absurdity there because the kids are so excited and they're even helping out oh the kids went through there but they're also being like randomly told like what happens if we go outside you'll freeze and die that's why I said it feels like an indoctrination center there's they're totally made to think a certain way. And about the, yeah, about the back of the train people. They're clearly being taught that they are lower, you know. Exactly. That's, yeah. And that the definition of indoctrination. No, yeah. And it's, they're being indoctrinated to this. And, and, and in such a way that, like,

Starting point is 00:23:32 it, again, begs the question, like, you know, they keep saying that everyone's in their right place. And it's like, says who, you know, like what right place is there. And there is like a religious aspect or it feels kind of like a cult worship of these parameters that this one guy has sort of just let unfold down from the top, unfurl down from the top. And so yeah, you have like the clubbing car where everything is deconant. You have like the peaceful, you know, botany car. You have the aquarium car. Like there's so many beautiful design choices. But also, yeah, just this like surreal contrast between how awful it is at the back and how barren it is. And then how many sort of spacious, lovely rooms there are. And it's like, it's, it's the same

Starting point is 00:24:20 thing you experience with planet Earth. You're like, I gotta imagine there's probably enough space if distributed evenly, you know, that everybody could have a little bit. But that's the thing is some people want more or all. And, and yeah, like, I like that they acknowledge that like, that's what someone at the top would say to somebody at the bottom part of the debate. But also, you know, it brings you up against like the real tough question of like, but how do you create a harmony and how do you create a society in a confined space, especially that like caters to and takes care of everyone? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:55 It's, uh, yeah, this was, this was crazy. Like this is, and two, just like as an action piece, you know, not that it's like an action movie the way you would imagine that phrase. But there were, there were quite some immersive and exhilarating sequence. And they were emotional at the same point. Like you had that one sequence where they turned off all the lights that were going into the, the tunnel like that was quite an inventive sequence there running all the pipes down to keep the doors open right right right now there were some some good action sequences for sure yeah

Starting point is 00:25:25 it was gripping and intense and it had a lot of momentum and too that idea that like everyone you got to be a little crazy to live here which i guess is kind of true on just regular earth too yeah i mean me personally if i lived on this train i would be in the sushi section the aquarium and also the jacuzzi area, probably the most. I imagine you would be in the club section, but I would be there with you, too, John. Shaking a tail feather. Yeah, really quick.

Starting point is 00:25:50 What did this film, your prediction or guess, rather, guess, I mean. Worldwide, how much did it make box office? Worldwide. 450 million. You are not even close. 86 million. 86 million? Yeah, domestically in the United States,

Starting point is 00:26:08 had made four and a half million internationally. Yeah, really high. this. I was like, they got a TV show. Maybe they actually made money across the world. It made $82 million internationally. So about 86,87. 86,000, 758,912. The budget is not telling me here

Starting point is 00:26:25 on Boxing up as much. Really quickly, Rotten Tomatoes. Give me both audience and critics. So start with critics. Critics got to be high on this, man. It's got to be like 96% or something like that. In 96, audience? I'll tell you what

Starting point is 00:26:39 98. Okay, so critics, you said 96, it was 94. Okay. Audience you said 98, it was 72. 72. I was off today. I could see that. The critics was you got, all right.

Starting point is 00:26:55 I can see people expecting like a more like fun action movie or some or more sci-fi. Yeah, depending on what you saw. Again, I did not see a trailer. I don't know. Or if you saw the poster, you're like, I'm, yeah, I'm going to see a straight-up sci-fi action thriller. All I knew was that it took place on a train and that...

Starting point is 00:27:14 I didn't even know that. The classes of society were sort of separated out by the columns. I didn't even know that. But once you told me it was the director of Paris, I was like, okay, I got an idea where this might go. Yeah, yeah. All right. So director Bong Joon Ho, did I say that right?

Starting point is 00:27:29 Yeah. Often clashed with producer H.W. Let's just call him that. You know who it is. Who frequently interfered in order to demand his version of the film. Oh, wow. the menu request, the producer insisted on having the fish scene removed in favor of more action. What?

Starting point is 00:27:46 Bong, who considered it his favorite shot in the film, was adamant to keep it in. He told the producer that he wanted to keep the shot for a personal reason as a tribute to his late father who was a fisherman. Upon hearing this, the producer said that family is very important to him, so he granted Bong to keep the shot. In an interview, the director said, it was a lie. my father was not a fisherman yeah yeah yeah you do what you can you do what you got it yeah big respect bong junho yeah uh writer and director bang junho had reservations about

Starting point is 00:28:21 casting chris evans in the lead role because of his muscular physique he felt that as a resident of the extremely poverty stricken tail section chris should not be especially physically fit costuming and careful camera angles kept evans physique from showing i mean yeah because he was in probably in the tail end of just doing avengers and he's probably filming winter soldier at this time. So he's at physical, like peak right now. So we cloak him in a big black coat. Yeah. It worked because I'm not, I wasn't even thinking about like his physical peak as Captain Ameri or Steve Rogers. I wasn't even thinking about that. So it worked. Yeah. There was no additional lighting used while filming the torch light fight scene. Fun. That's cool.

Starting point is 00:29:02 That must have been hard too. You got to properly ventilate a set if you're going to do that. Yeah. That's crazy. Writer and director, Bong Joon Ho, explained. that the protein block was made by combining seaweed, tangle, sugar, and gelatine. Okay. Yeah, gelatin, excuse me. Jamie Bell hated it while Tilda Swinton liked it. I wonder we stayed on that shot. She was just enjoying herself.

Starting point is 00:29:25 Yeah, I was going to say. I'd be curious to, you know, that actually sounds like it could be palatable. I like a seaweed, you know. You are going to be shocked by this one. Okay. Sir John Hertz's character's name, Gilliam, is an homage to Terry Gilliam. a director whose film includes many films

Starting point is 00:29:41 and we're not going to get into it. Many greats. According to the filmmakers, trained babies like Yona developed animalistic hearing skills. Interesting. Chris Evans personally contacted Bong Joon Ho for the audition after hearing

Starting point is 00:29:58 the casting news. I mean, yeah, when Chris Evans' contacts you're like, okay, I guess I'll let him. Well, and I like to hear that he really must have wanted this, you know, because he really brought it. He put his all into it. And yeah, like he did the stoic guy thing well

Starting point is 00:30:14 without it feeling too much like a put on. And then again, when you were revealed as to why he is the way he is, it makes perfect sense. And I thought, again, his performance revealing those details was great. Terrific. According to the filmmakers,

Starting point is 00:30:28 the revolt of the seven's female leader is Namgung Minso, the high, at the end of the guy who does the, was it the wire? he's like hot wiring hot wiring. Yeah. It was his wife and Yona's mother. I was wondering about that

Starting point is 00:30:43 maybe. Yeah. And by the way, he is the actor who was in Paris. Is he? Yeah. He looks so different just with that. I just looked it up. And he, I think he was also in a movie called The Host which I believe I did see. Yeah, he works with Bong Joon Ho. Yeah. I did see that. I reacted

Starting point is 00:30:59 to that one while back. Oh, I want to see it. Oh, yeah. That was a good movie. It was a good movie. Scary movie, too. According to writer and director Bong Joon Ho Tildes Swinton played another role as well as Mason. She played the woman trying to snatch the wine bottle from Yona when she and her dad are collecting chrono lumps

Starting point is 00:31:16 from the clubbers. Funny. That's funny. Good on you, Tilda. She seems game. We'll do one. Two more. Writer and director Bong Joon Ho couldn't find the perfect actor for Wilford until producer Park Chan Wook recommended Ed

Starting point is 00:31:31 Harris. Oh, Park Chanwuk was producing this too. Damn. That's like a team up there and and i mean ed harris did seem like it's funny because you were at we were sitting there speculating like who's it going to be and like you do need to have like the right actor to be revealed behind there and and yeah like ed harris is actually like a like a perfect choice for for who this guy is and is said to be i will give you two more actually because they're quick the north american movie poster foreshadows curtis curtis's fate curtis's lower left is obscured in the poster.

Starting point is 00:32:08 He loses that appendage during the climax of this film. Funny. And then Octavia Spencer, who plays Tanya, shot her last scene without any movement until the take ended.

Starting point is 00:32:19 That's so crazy. Because yeah, and she did a great job too, and you had to hold that and to do the sort of like life leaving your face and to have your eyes open and to have to stay completely dead still

Starting point is 00:32:31 is wild. Yeah. And too, like, you know, the music, Marco Beltrami, the score, I thought was really nice. It was incredible. No, it really elevated an already incredible film, but like, I love the way he used the piano, too, because it added a sense of dreariness and like just to the encapsulating, like, what we were already seeing on screen. So it just really, like,

Starting point is 00:32:53 you felt like what you were already viscerally seeing. So it's just a really impactful score. It's good, yeah, when the score enhances the space rather than filling the space. For sure. For sure. It was a really memorable score for sure. And two, just I guess the last thing is, yeah, like the idea that we've tried to fight off our extinction with technology, with this train that has, you know, only carried over the worst tendencies that we have. And now, you know, the train, like this whole system of order has been crashed and we have no choice, but these two train babies going out into the world and like starting a new, like the new generation, you know, never knew the old world and can start completely fresh. if they don't freeze to death in the snow. Right. And have some food and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. But, yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:41 Wild. I'm excited to watch this movie again. Yeah, no, for sure. But anyways, let us know in the comments. What did you think of Snowpiercer? Is this your favorite Chris Evans' performance? We'd love to hear your thoughts down in the comments below. If you stayed with us this song, we so appreciate it.

Starting point is 00:33:54 We love you guys. Stay warm out there. And we shall see you guys later.

The Reel Rejects - SNOWPIERCER (2013) IS HARROWING!! MOVIE REVIEW!! First Time Watching

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