The Reel Rejects - SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN 1x5 & 1x6 REVIEW!!

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Starting point is 00:01:26 Oh, and then the cover. Amazing Spider-Man annual number 21, and they get married, they have the heart in the background of that shape. Oh, that was good. That was good. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Favorite episode yet, personally.

Starting point is 00:01:36 That was my favorite episode. That was fantastic. Oh, good stuff. Good stuff. Good last moments. I like when things aren't predictable, but they're, you can tell the writing is good because they'll land there. And that was that line.

Starting point is 00:01:48 Like, it wasn't predictable. It was, it'd be cool if they did. Exactly. And it was cool that they did. Exactly. For Spotify, listeners, we just watched the first two episodes are, not the first two. We just watched episodes 5 and 6 of the spectacular Spider-Man.

Starting point is 00:02:04 We're going to be diving right in. Shia. Man, what you think? I had such a, like this, I've heard, obviously, people espouse the greatness of this show, and thus far, it is really living up to the hype. And, I mean, again, coming back to the animated, you know, motion comic book world with you. It has already been a joy.

Starting point is 00:02:25 But, yeah, like, you know, Spider-Man is probably, the character throughout comics that I've had the most association with in my life. And this brings me back to, you know, the more youthful feelings in a way that I kind of, you know, like Spider-Man as an experience and as superhero media has grown, has become, you know, a lot of different things in a more accessible kind of mainstream way. Yeah. But yeah, I'm just so loving the flavors of this and the way that they are using this sandbox, so to speak, because, yeah, just the way that you have these characters. set up and they're not like taking a long time to get to anything but yeah they're sort of gradually introducing people and upping the stakes and and in it's like each episode i think smartly has its own set of stakes could get whatever villain of the week but then yeah these growing things in

Starting point is 00:03:16 the background that are you know clearly going to pay off in some kind of bigger way later on are great and then yeah like you pointed out during the episode the attention to little details and just you know real knowing character flourishes are you know those are the things that i think really endear us more than you know you can get a number of the main lore and building blocks right and then i think it's those little touches and details that really solidify and really kind of bring us the extra mile and that's one thing this show is like so good at doing so like you know you have the reference points in terms of like they're crashing ultimate spider man into this Spider-Man.

Starting point is 00:03:54 And I'm really excited to learn more about how those kind of aspects come into play or how those are working under the surface. But yeah, like the journey of Peter, again, the combination of the journey of Peter coming of age and, you know, the journey of just the action of Spider-Man, I think is really well-balanced and, you know, I think I would probably agree, you know, that last episode we watched might be my favorite yet as well because, yeah. that true blending of the stakes of like oh damn aunt may is here just dealing with my formal situation and now rhino's attacking and my job's on the line and like you know every everything is

Starting point is 00:04:34 happening right now yeah i've always loved the spider man has to be the mix of peter and spider man it has to be the mix of miles in spidergwin it has to it has to blend the worlds and like that way when you've got that amazing 50 cover where he's like leaving spider man behind or sometimes he's quit being peter parker and been like i'm going to stay in the suit all the time I'm done being Peter. Like, all of those things are cool one-offs or arcs, but the blend is what makes the character so special. And I think this episode really captured the blend.

Starting point is 00:05:02 I think it makes sense. We've gotten six episodes in. So now we've really established the tone. We've established the characters. They plotted things out so they would land a certain way. I also just noticed this came out in 2008. I referenced 2008 in one of these episodes because that's when Iron Man and Dark Knight came out. It's interesting.

Starting point is 00:05:17 This came out the same year as we entered this golden age of heroes. Like this and Dark Night and Iron Man all the same year. what's interesting about that in chronology of like real life is this is mirroring a lot of the old Steve Dicko stuff from the 60s but it's modernizing it like the ultimate run did the ultimate run came out in 2000 and that was what introduced Kenny he goes by Kong for a lot of the comics he's like a they called him that here a couple of times

Starting point is 00:05:39 oh did they I miss that so that Kong is basically like a bully to Peter but you discover an undercurrent of goodness in him and it's a really fun character that was kind of a mirror to Flash and the ultimate stuff while Flash also existed and I immediately was like oh they're playing with the ultimate stuff too because of him like he's such a fixture of that um also ganky

Starting point is 00:05:58 is the best friend of miles morales and that's who effectively ned leads is in the spider man movies so like they've been blending in the ultimate stuff really well but i think here they do a good job making it feel still like classic dicko but just adding sprinkles of modern like this very much the sam man episode felt like

Starting point is 00:06:14 amazing spider man i think it's issue four from 1961 like oh gee spider man it didn't take place in the school put a lot of the same moves a lot of the same like webbing is going to do it a lot of like running out a web like a lot of the stuff that happened even though it's a different setting feels like that but they modernized it for this age

Starting point is 00:06:30 I kind of liked the modernization of Rhino that way I didn't guess you know the Russian backstory wasn't essential obviously because they did a fun thing where I was like who is this guy that he's hanging out with because I'm like that's not Hydro Man's name but I assumed they would maybe tweak Hydroman

Starting point is 00:06:46 I love that it was Rhino I love when he's trapped in the And I didn't expect them to do the trapped in the suit as the weakness. That was cool. Yeah. And that, again, got me something I hadn't thought about directly. And that got me just thinking of my own. Well, and that's, it's nice, you know, every time we do a show like this and we do two episodes at a time, what often tends to happen is you'll notice, I don't know if it's intentional in the planning out of the show, it very well might be.

Starting point is 00:07:17 Or maybe it's just the luck of the draw of, you know, complementary element. but I liked how we went from Sandman, you know, this elemental thing that, like you said, is kind of all pores, amorphous, and then we do the exact opposite next time, where it's still some kind of battering ram, because obviously Sandman can create, you know, stone of some degree, rock that's hard, and here we have just a completely sort of blunt, hard instrument that's, like, so far in the opposite direction that that's its own kind of vulnerability. And, and yeah, like, the little details because I would notice to him and then you pointed it out like he's sweating so much from his face before they even call it out in the action. I didn't think of that's the only place.

Starting point is 00:07:59 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that got me thinking just at my, like I love when you're watching or reading something like this and then it kind of gets you going on your own head canon. Clearly, if you listen to enough of us talking about these kinds of things, you'll notice that I have a big love for the like body horror flip on these characters, Man Spider, Man. bat and the idea of the rhino as somebody kind of fused with this visage whatever whatever you want to call it you know this suit this form it can't get out like that's an interesting body horror proposition anyway and part of me is imagining now like a monster movie version of rhino like if you did rhino live action like and that's the thing is like

Starting point is 00:08:45 you know it was fun watching paul giamati and tasem too even though yes like i i get why everybody at the time was like this is not the way but uh but yeah like something like this gets me excited for the prospect of seeing that done right i'm one of the people excited for craven and uh i am worried that it looks like his skin morphs into rhino and that would defeat the entire purpose of the character yeah yeah he's supposed to be maybe he gets trapped in that form or something but that's kind of like not the rhino like the idea is that he's trapped in a suit of his own

Starting point is 00:09:17 like he agreed to something it was supposed to be he agreed to something that wasn't meant to be permanent became permanent and like that's even worse because then you didn't even agree to this. So I really like this episode playing with that and also establishing tombstone instead of kingpin. I like that way it took half

Starting point is 00:09:33 a season to get to that payoff. I really love what they're doing Norman Osborne. Good catch in the goblin in the background but the way they're making it he's kind of like Tony Stark like he's profiting both ways like he's profiting on the things getting broken he's profiting on things going right and wrong and i really like that harry osborne is getting a long drive towards turning evil that's a great point too because like one thing across these six episodes that i've been enjoying especially is that kind of time i guess i'll call it time dilation it's not really the right terminology but yeah it's like

Starting point is 00:10:03 you know you meet flint and alex in the first episode they're always kind of off to the side doing their thing and then it's five and then six episodes in they get their moment and then you you meet shockers kind of like a direct to the point or electro kind of direct to the point we're doing that in one episode conners you build up over three episodes so like there are multiple things building over different amounts of time and with harry and norman and eddie and eddie yeah like eddie is a real slow build right now because he's just pretty much all good guy and then harry i'm like i love having that to look forward to because now you yeah you see that norman obviously we know that he's bankrolling a lot of the

Starting point is 00:10:43 stuff and doing a lot of this you know mad science he's he's sort of doing the nitty gritty while i imagine tombstone is bank rolling and he's like the gang war henchman yeah so i imagine that's gonna come to a like a corporate versus street level yeah and that's like its own power struggle that's brewing and then with harry i feel like you haven't even i guess eddie would be the longest game so far but harry i love that they're playing this long game of just the little nicks in their friendship yeah because you know we've had him let down with uh helping him study for that test and now in this episode or the episode five you know we had at least that tension of like i'm the one who wanted to join the football team you showed up for moral support

Starting point is 00:11:23 and now you're about to get first string and and you know peter ultimately does the right thing and kind of hangs back the initial and i think norman's going to you know do the classic uh you know caring about peter more than harry peter's going to get the accolades that harry so desperately wants even though harry's gotten the a's the varsity the girl peter's going to do one thing and all of a sudden Yeah, it's like Harry's doing all the right things and his dad will just never notice, it seems like. And that's why to me, like, there's everyone's got their favorite villains. Everyone's got their favorite rogues gallery. To me, Spider-Man's is on par with Batman's as the two best of all time.

Starting point is 00:11:56 A lot of people consider Doc Ock his best rival. I respect that. I personally love instead of it being a father figure that's a scientist in an Ock, which I love. I think he's one of the best villains ever. But I've always loved adding a layer of adopted parent, Norman plus best friend slash brother Harry and then the betrayal is so many more layers. Like I consider Green Goblin is his ultimate nemesis because not only is it the betrayal of Norman, the betrayal of science itself, the betrayal of the best friend, the betrayal of the

Starting point is 00:12:27 brother figure, the father figure, then the father figure kills the girlfriend, which is very Shakespearean. And then on top of that, it's the legacy left behind, not just in the Goblin Serum and in all the Oscorp text, but also the legacy of Harry. Harry losing his mind getting hooked on drugs and having to basically see your best friend

Starting point is 00:12:46 kill themselves over years and then Norman coming back killing his clone like Norman's like and I love again I love Doc Doc but to me Norman's the longest game Yeah

Starting point is 00:12:57 I really love that they're They're playing with the Goblin lore here and not letting it be a one-off And I think that likewise Like long game Willem Defoe's performance in No Way home reflected the leap in malice. Like I think that's one of the better villains

Starting point is 00:13:14 is how he portrayed him round two. And that showed like a legacy villain. So I really, I really dug this. It was George Stacey. Yeah. And it's Clancy Brown on the voice. I was going to say we should. It had been.

Starting point is 00:13:27 We should look at who's two. Okay, so they do have Kevin Michael Richardson now is tombstone. No longer Keith David. Good sound alike. They just got him for a pilot. Yeah, I was going to say he does a good. Does a good Keith David. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:38 Well, and now we got married Jane, so that's, you know, something developing along with Gwen, you know, clearly having interest in Peter and him just being completely oblivious to that. How have they never done that line in live action? I know. We've never had it. Oh. Think about it. You just hit the jackpot. We've never had her say it.

Starting point is 00:13:56 No. Oh, that's wild. I like the idea that Shailene Woodley said it. Like, because you know, they cut her out. Shelly Woodley. Yeah. I love the idea that the only actual screen accurate portrayal was not in movies. And, and you told me.

Starting point is 00:14:08 They made sure. Like, they're like, she's next door. She's got an abusive dad. She comes to the door. Like, they did it all exactly like the comic cut. Oh. And she's, she becomes jackpot later, right? Yeah, I don't think of a story.

Starting point is 00:14:19 No, you, you hipped me last time. It's so cheesy. If everyone has powers, powers don't matter. Mary Jane doesn't need power. She's an incredible character without powers. You diminish her greatness. And I, and I like, not to, not to sidetrack your tangent. Oh, no.

Starting point is 00:14:34 No, no, I shouldn't go there. No, her hunter, hunter power is going to be great. I'm so excited. to see her become kite. Oh, look at me. I got three cherries. What does that mean? But I like, too, that we have Doc Ock.

Starting point is 00:14:48 Like, he's long game, too. He is long game, and he's got the tentacles now. Yeah, and I mean, we saw him in the first couple episodes just as a guy, you know, or just as scientists with no other accoutrements. And now here we have him with the tentacles, at least with his full mental faculties, it seems like. And so I'm curious as to how that's going to collide with Spider-Man and Peter. I hope we do.

Starting point is 00:15:08 the, you know, Norman Osborne gets a long game, Otto, maybe the next to become a villain, but I really hope they do the Mary Jane party girl, Gwen Stacy, we lose Gwen, makes Mary Jane mature. Because that's always a thing. I've always thought that Peter was supposed

Starting point is 00:15:24 to end up with Gwen Stacy. When I think of Gwen Stacy, I think of like, that's who Spider-Man was destined to be with, but it was Mary Jane maturing and shouldering the mantle of how broken Peter was and deciding, like, I could waste my life being a party girl, I can model, I can do these things. And not that modeling's a waste, not to being a party girl's waste, but, well,

Starting point is 00:15:41 I would say being a, you know, seven-year-old party girl is waste. But, but I, I do think that she became a more, um, a character with more depth by being like, I'm gonna model, but for the sake of becoming an actress for the sake of becoming an entrepreneur, for the sake of becoming a business woman. Got direction. Yeah. Like it added, so I'm not besmirching the noble, like, modeling is an incredibly hard job. Like, people don't realize. But I love that she added, um, nurturing elements because she wanted that and that adds to like people don't realize the depth of that characters she never had a loving family she had aunt anna and that mirror spider man's aunt may aunt may takes care of peter but where peter doesn't have family mary's family isn't good to her so

Starting point is 00:16:23 they are great together because what she came up through but i love that she doesn't turn her um psychology of being abused into abuse she turns it into nurturing a man who gets abused by the town so i love the arc of mary jane but i love that that it took when Stacey's loss for her to have that spark. And I hope they do that in this because again, we've never had that either.

Starting point is 00:16:43 Let me write Spider-Man Marvel. Give me the next art. Give us. Give it to us. You can get the character, the rich character stories popping. And you're like, I want body heart.

Starting point is 00:16:55 And then I will take all the powers and make them messed up. Yeah. That's what we'll do. It's coming. That's what we'll do. It's going to be good. But yeah, I like this a lot so far.

Starting point is 00:17:03 Yeah. This has been really special. Yeah, same. And like the Rokes Gallery He feels like a real rogue gallery. I love the way that they, again, little guy showing up in the window, all the little details and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:17:13 And the guy coming out of the elevator. I would have had him not talk to Peter. I would have had another, I would have had like Phil Eurek or someone we like might recognize. Because I thought it was just so funny. He's like, it was such a funnier joke to have him just saunter out later. Like he'd been in the elevator for like hours.

Starting point is 00:17:28 He's been there waiting to see how this pans out. It's so funny. Yeah, yeah. I do like that he spoke and was unbothered like another day at the office. Yeah. I mean, you know, especially. is six episodes in, I'm sure they're used to this by now. This also sets

Starting point is 00:17:39 up a potential Jonah Jameson creating the Scorpion as a defense to take out Peter Parker because of people creating the Rhino and Sandman. I'm about to facetiously ask if he gets powers but if he creates... Yeah, Jonah uses money. It's the ultimate superpower. Okay. It is.

Starting point is 00:17:55 Them dollars. But he creates Scorpion. He's responsible for Scorpion existing. Then he feels guilty about all the people that Scorpion kills. Because he created Scorpion to... He feels guilty. Oh, dude. Jonah's a great guy that hate Spider-Man. That's what makes him so interesting. Jonah's, like, a heart-warming father figure as soon as, like, he's a total piece of crap

Starting point is 00:18:12 boss, but he's a great guy. Okay. And, like, he, like, he even cares about, like, the way he cares about his son, the way he cares about Peter against the public perception, he'll, like, quietly donate and stuff. Like, he's a good man that is cheap skate, bad boss, loving father, and I love that portrayal. So that's why J.K. Simmons is perfect. I can keep psychoanalyzing characters for days, and we will. will in the next episode. I'm so excited. I wish we could watch them right now. Dude,

Starting point is 00:18:38 they're so good. We'll be back next week with episode seven and eight. And then there's 13 episodes of the season, I think. So at some point, we're going to have to do three, probably the final three. So keep clicking that like button. Keep clicking that comment button. Keep clicking the share button. Keep clicking the replay button. Don't click the X button. No. And do click the hug someone you care about button. Click the spider heart. Spider heart button. I love you you discover the spider light through this because I as a kid I was obsessed I used to try to draw spider stuff on my flashlights

Starting point is 00:19:09 spider light is a warm piece my heart I probably did that with a bat I wish I knew I could do that with a Spider-Man DC now your kids can have little spider light get myself about a belt buckle floodlight season finale we're both like all right that is going to do it for this episode we'll see you next week for 7 and 8 thank you for watching these thank you for encouraging us to keep going we appreciate you

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The Reel Rejects - SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN 1x5 & 1x6 REVIEW!!

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