The Reel Rejects - SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN Season 1, Episodes 11, 12, & 13 REVIEW!

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Starting point is 00:01:00 Without further ado, because I cannot wait myself to watch this. Let's watch the final three episodes of Spectacular Spider-Man season one and three, two. Let's get it. What an exceptional adaptation of Spider-Man. I'm so impressed. I am as well. I don't think I've seen any of those last stories adapted that way. I don't think I knew.

Starting point is 00:01:28 I think I knew contextually where it was going even mid-season to get there and I don't I think that's my favorite venom adaptation Oh that's high praise Now there'll be more A venom but using the

Starting point is 00:01:42 Flashback The you know his friends are everything Doing the whole journey that way With the montage That was probably the coolest separation From symbiate like possible Absolutely that was awesome What are your thoughts?

Starting point is 00:01:55 You know what's also awesome is if people are watching this or listening to it on Apple and Spotify is when they rate at five stars. What's even more awesome than that is your friggin t-shirt, Coy! Your freaking T-shirt, John! What are we wearing this?

Starting point is 00:02:08 These are crazy! Where did you get yours? I got mine through Greg. That was not the answer I was looking for, but it was technically accurate. Yes, I as well got mine to Greg. But if you don't know, Greg.

Starting point is 00:02:22 Reach it. They should stop.com. Where you could also get one. And you can dress like us, like Spider-Man sometimes dresses like Venom. This is now a cosplay. With Venom. You could cosplay as a reject.

Starting point is 00:02:33 Yeah. You can join Reject Nation, cosplay edition and look like us. Whenever I see someone wearing one of these in the wild, and this is the shirt I see most in the wild. Hey. I attack hug them. You-hoo.

Starting point is 00:02:44 Sometimes I go like consent to hug. Nah. Sometimes I just get a face first, just diving in. Especially at cons. Diving in. San Diego Comic-Con is around the corner. It is.

Starting point is 00:02:55 I expect to see a lot of these shirts. You expect a lot of these shirts. You expect a lot of. dive bomb hugs. Rejectnation shop.com. Rejection shop. Let's try and say it at the same time, Venom style. Ready?

Starting point is 00:03:03 Rejection shop.com. There we go. Perfect. Now that we've talked about the five starification, what do you think? This was a delight from front to back. And somebody, oh God, I wish I had your name off the top of my head. Somebody, I think, in the comments of one of the recent ones we posted either on YouTube or Patreon, kind of pointed out that these arcs,

Starting point is 00:03:27 in like a three to four episode range so actually doing all three of these at in one go was really nice because it felt like yeah one particular like yeah it's the end of the first season arc but it also felt like a pretty contained aloeupe into the venom like you know venom kind of takes the center stage because it is like the main sort of focal of the last two episodes and plus the struggle for peter three episodes of momentum sold that but yeah you know even with the sinister six you're still I guess these four episodes starting from 10 to here have been the black suit symbiote goo sort of arc but yeah I loved it in it felt like a very natural thing to have yeah 11 culminate in this big team up of these you know more terrestrial villains these more like

Starting point is 00:04:12 terrestrial scientific and or tech enhanced villains and getting that sort of payoff and then you know going one step further into yeah this like fight for peter's soul this re-exploration of the origin and the ultimate transition to Eddie Brock as Venom for real and oh man like just watching something like this like in every little beat that hits it just reminds you of what a good job they've done up until this point of again like making everything count because this is one of those shows where like yeah when it's getting down to you know like the nitty gritty of the lore or we're you know watching a battle or something like all that stuff yeah has been great. But, uh, you know, in these environments especially, I always very much appreciate

Starting point is 00:04:54 when they can also make it clear that they care about the coming of age part. They care about the kids. And even though we don't spend, you know, I feel like there are episodes where we spend more time at school and with, you know, the rest of Peter's peers, you know, than in these three episodes. I still felt, you know, the concern for them. I still felt the heart swell when things are getting back to a more benevolent track with Peter where he's like coming back around. and being like, hey, guys, I've been real whack lately. Yeah, and then just, too, yeah, the way that they have translated, like, I was losing kind of the line in a fun way between, you know, which I have to imagine that a certain amount

Starting point is 00:05:36 of things have been adapted faithfully to their original appearances in comics like a time or three by now. So especially when we were in the fantasy realm of, you know, the origin and, you know, the you know, walking through all of Peter's formative memories with the symbiote. Like, it was cool almost to be able to lose the line and be like, yeah, some of this feels like the shots from the Sam Ramey movie, but there's the original with great power. There must also come. Yes, there must also come, which is the entire point of Spider-Man, and they got it.

Starting point is 00:06:06 Yeah, yeah. And even, and those little details. And then having him re-paraphrase it with great power comes great responsibility. Giving the casuals their catchphrase. Exactly. It felt like it was looking around and kind of pulling in from everywhere. even though you have mentioned Ultimate a number of times, particularly with this. And I am curious, too, to hear some more about, like, the origin thing about Eddie.

Starting point is 00:06:28 Like, is that always a thing? Like, their parent, like... Only Ultimate. Okay, so that's just an ultimate. Because I feel like, yeah, there are a bunch where they're not really like they didn't grow up together than our friends. In 616 continuity, Eddie Brock is a reporter at the Daily Bugle. That was the one I started being familiar with.

Starting point is 00:06:43 And Eddie Brock, and that makes an article that is false. like he he lies and he gets basically blackmailed and not blackmailed he's blacklisted yeah because of his that reveal so he hates spider man and that actually yields a gene to wolf a bit which is which doesn't get touched on much but what i what i really like is that this payoff is probably the most excited i've been to see his origin retold because the idea of using it as a venom like alley oop is genius yeah because i didn't think we'd get an origin story because it didn't start there and then we're halfway through the season i'm like we're not going to see the origin to use it here as like this bolstering of how good a person

Starting point is 00:07:20 peter is i love that we talked about payoffs the whole season we talked about you know the mary jane payoff and how great it was to hear that line we talked about how great it was when we're going to get the eddie brock payoff this did a sinister six payoff it took 10 episodes to get to it did an origin that took 12 episodes to get to yeah it did a venom payoff that took between 12 and 13 episodes to get to and it did all of that while being quietly a payoff for the actual lead of the show making it Peter Parker self-actualizing as the real payoff. It is so well-written, so well-crafted. All of these arcs are masterfully manipulated.

Starting point is 00:07:53 And I mean that in the most positive way. And I also think that as a comic fan, it is so refreshing. It's been funny for me. I read the comments like a fool. I shouldn't, but I do. And reading the comments, there's every so often someone's like, Koi's clearly seen this. And I'm always like, it's based in comic books that I've devoted my life to.

Starting point is 00:08:11 But I've enjoyed the fact that I haven't. seen this and I is like someone that is devoted to the comic books gets to be surprised. It is very rare that I get an adaptation that blends worlds and then sprinkles into. It's usually like if we're going to blend, it's going to be like these two things. So I'm going to just figure out what's going to come when. Instead, this adds another element of its own adaptation. And the voice work was so uncomfortable. And I really liked how like disconcerting it was. I love that the Gwen payoff was literally the last scene. What a bold show. Absolutely. And like you said, you know, I love that, I feel like is the ideal way to do an adaptation like this is like, yeah, there is the fun for the people who have read to recognize certain things.

Starting point is 00:08:55 But also, I feel like you should always be trying to add extra layers of your own. And yeah, I don't know. I thought they made a really vibrant, a live world. And the fact that I think when we started out, they established it's like a year into his being Spider-Man. So it's like, yeah, it's like soon post-origin. here like obviously yeah depicting the origin for any new telling of the story in any regard seems like a requisite but here doing it so art like artfully and with the context of venom that's the thing is is yeah venom is such a great catalyst for that because obviously it is here to pour

Starting point is 00:09:31 to pray on and feed on and enhance all your worst inclinations and your most negative thoughts and certainly peter is somebody who over the course of the season and through you know just classic Spider-Man storytelling is given all the reasons to feel a lot of bad feelings and to resent his lot in life and the curse that often amounts from his being Spider-Man. And so, yeah, to have all that happening, I think if there's only, if there's one thing I wish had been just a hair more gradual, it's only that I think they made Eddie, they made him, like, go off the rails. It was, the Mary Jane scene felt sudden.

Starting point is 00:10:08 The Mary Jane scene is the only thing I was like, oh, I was. wish this would have been maybe like a little more down to earth or or or we had seen side it was that thing we've often said and not in any kind of major way it's probably the one criticism i sort of have is that like i feel like there's a beat missing because there was such a great from the most part i've loved the buildup of his because yeah we see him and for me not having the ultimate spider man experience like it's fun it's it's cool i'm like oh they're buds here they got the whole bro thing like yeah and they grew up together with this shared tragic backstory and yeah

Starting point is 00:10:42 Peter you know did in some ways get the the better end of a bad stick and so yeah the all that growth and his you know judgment of Peter's character because he does feel like an older brother and he has been disappointed by him so many times I'm like it's all there like all the

Starting point is 00:10:58 building and all the gradual unfolding of that stuff is here across the show is beautiful and so yeah like that final crest I feel like the tragedy would still read if he wasn't like to yeah taking Mary Jane out on like a roided out bike rides. One more like

Starting point is 00:11:14 a scene, not even a whole episode but another scene of him transitioning into like I'm the vendetta against Peter Parker making him angry enough to act out. Like just something that gives it that little bridge. Yeah. Because there was obviously anger we saw between Peter and Eddie we saw him like at the

Starting point is 00:11:30 lizard. All the setup was great. It was like they gave us like one through eight and then that was 10. Like we needed nine. And I get his desperation most certainly about like you know yeah all these opportunities are drying up. And if this, you know, alien material is not recovered, I lose my job. I have to leave my school. Like, my whole life's going to be over or at least irrevocably changed. So, like, again, it's, it's like a small gripe in just the, yeah, the flavor of, this is like an A show.

Starting point is 00:11:58 And like, to make it an A plus, I would, that, that's one of the tiny things. Yeah. And even such, like the tragedy still reads and is still there. And I still was there at the end being like, oh, man, I want them to mend their friendship somehow. I want Peter to, get through to him somehow, and I am glad that he is, as much as it's fun to watch Venom and I will be excited to hopefully see him return in the future one season we have ahead of us, you know, at the

Starting point is 00:12:22 same time, like... I get everyone being upset there. Yeah, you feel the struggle in the back and forth, which pinpointing this in time, I think somebody on our recent live stream kind of was giving us some background detail, yeah, about how they got, when Disney came in and bought them, this would have been like, 2008, 2009,

Starting point is 00:12:40 So, yeah, like, you know, do the rights issues with Sony or whatever. That's why it's hard to find, too. Yeah. I think that's why a lot of people are like, how do we watch it with you? And I'm like, I, I, I, like, my mom got me the DVD. Go on Amazon, there are DVD. Yeah, my mom got me the DVD a few years ago. I just haven't had time to open it.

Starting point is 00:12:56 So I've been enjoying watching it this way and I'm going to rewatch the hell of it on DVD. Get a regionalist Blu-ray player. Yeah, I mean, it's an American DVD. Yeah, the DVD is the Blu-Rae, we got is, I think, French. Oh, okay. Yeah, by physical media. Bye physical media. But yeah, no, like the.

Starting point is 00:13:10 The Venom arc was great. The way they... Sinister 6 fighting was really cool. They did like X-Men style, like teamwork. I really liked how the X-Men dynamics were in a villain team, because I have wanted a Sinister 6 movie forever. Drew Goddard wrote one. Apparently, it's amazing.

Starting point is 00:13:24 I've always loved the idea of like an Ocean's 11 movie where it's Spider-Man's the villain. Oh, so fun. Do you know what I mean? Like, we haven't done it, but I felt like obviously they were clearly the villains here, but I thought it was really fun to see them work together against him. And then I loved that Venom, who would be more merciless, takes them out by pitting them against each other their powers against each other

Starting point is 00:13:43 because he's still smart. I really enjoyed the Venom set up being like, what do you do with a show where the payoff is like each character turning into the iconic villain? How do you escalate? You turn into the Sinister Six.

Starting point is 00:13:54 How do you show how powerful Venom is? You have the sinister six of the thing they fight. How do you show that Peter is smarter and stronger than Venom? You do the origin story of Spider-Man that you've saved to this point to show how good he is.

Starting point is 00:14:05 Then the Battle of Good and Evil becomes the Battle of Peter versus Venom. What do you do then? You have a setup throughout the season of how angry Eddie is, even though you like him, and that anger pits the two of them together. And then how do you make the payoff actually something emotional? You make Gwen Stacy show when she loves him. And they make the subconscious of Eddie, the subconscious of Venom, be the ones that alerts Peter that he loves Gwen. That is so, Greg Weissman, you scallywag.

Starting point is 00:14:27 That is genius. Like, what a move. What a power play. And it's such a lovely structure because you have, you know, the amalgamation of like, yeah, the world of crime under Tombstone at the moment you know sort of all coming to a head i know it was only you for the pilot i you know happy birthday every day to keep david as much keith david as i can get anywhere even as of one episode it's his birthday but a happy birthday to keep david pilot voice of tombstone most certainly go back and watch it it is on but no like having that be the culmination of like yeah all the physical outside you know new york crime stakes essentially and then alley upping that into the end where it's like Peter versus himself and then Peter

Starting point is 00:15:09 Verse is a very personal villain who has a vendetta against him specifically not just about Spider-Man and what Spider-Man means to the you know ecosystem of crime you know Venom being the alien and Eddie Brock being alienated by everyone and everything and having the singular and I always I always love that with the symbiote

Starting point is 00:15:26 whenever it comes in that whole thing of like it is kind of like a jilted lover almost like you know and he's like take me back that's why I love the movies making the two of them such a couple so great because like It sets up the opportunity for the Spider-Man fight so well. And I really, I mean, man, it's right there. Yeah, and just like, again, honing in on, I thought Ed Asner was a great choice for Uncle Ben.

Starting point is 00:15:46 Perfect. I loved that. And I loved the way that they did that whole sequence because the black and white makes sense anyway as a motif of film and flashback and whatever else, but then filtered through the memory, like, oh, yeah, this is the symbiote, you know, digging around your mind and showing you the versions that are true, but that it probably wants you to, you know, altruistic in the way it wants you to see them and and just yeah like that that realization in the moment i was like oh wow there are a couple situations where peter is like

Starting point is 00:16:16 ah damn these outside circumstances that are actually directly related to my tragedy and i was just by where uncle ben was shot and i was just by where aunt may yeah you know had her heart attack and i was none the wiser about any of these things even though they're directly both related to me yeah i also want to give the the heart attack thing some love because in the comics, Peter's always worried about her finding out that he's Spider-Man because she's going to have a heart attack. So I think it's really funny. They made that what that happens in the comics. It's like, oh my god, my aunt, she's going to have a heart attack. And then she has a heart attack and he's like, I didn't hear about it. I got to do some really clever, cheeky stuff

Starting point is 00:16:49 for comic fans to go like, ah, they clearly read and love the comics. Yeah. And I was so wanted, bless, oh, out of nowhere. Not that I wanted, you know, obviously sad reason for the call, but in that moment I was, I was so hoping we could get a tender J. Jonah James. What a beautiful thing, though, If we got one also, that's the last scene we have with him. What a beautiful last beat of Jonah of like his paternal. Like, no, no, I'll do it. I have never experienced. I love Jonah.

Starting point is 00:17:13 I've seldom, perhaps, but not never, but yeah, seldom. I often forget that that's within the capacity of that character. One of my favorite characters because of that. And I love that. I absolutely feel that because, yeah, it's like it's so fun when he's just doing his thing. But then to be reminded occasionally that he's like a good dad. That's why J.K. Simmons is so perfect because he's so angry but paternal. Like, Juno, J.K. Simmons, might as well be Jonah James.

Starting point is 00:17:38 Like, there's always different levels, like, Whiplash. Like, that's like the full tilt. Like, J.K. Simmons is Jonah Jameson. Yeah. And then I have flash talking sense into him. Like, again, so many great little details. And just the, the, the, um, serum payoff, which I, we watched this week to week chunk of episodes and I forgot.

Starting point is 00:17:55 Yeah. Like, they did such a good job, like, planning, literally hiding it away from you. Yeah. And then, like, that mirrors so many moments in Spider-Man's life, or is like, do I? And I love that he's like, I'm not the disease. And I'm choosing now to, to, I feel like it would be easy to just hold on to it forever. But yeah, actually just making the choice and going with it. I do wonder what the ramifications of just dumping that into the...

Starting point is 00:18:17 I'm sure the fish are fine. I'm sure water in New York has not affected at all. Do you be walking around the sewers? Like, are a couple of super villains going to get depowered just accidentally down there? Lerner, are now regular. But I honestly think this show lived up to the very high expectations. For me, this was about an. and that's saying a lot.

Starting point is 00:18:36 This is, I think my favorite Venom adaptation because it did a lot of like the Todd McFarlane nods, but it also played with the ultimate. It also played around with like some of the mythology that Venom's grown into. This was spectacular. It is truly up to its namesake.

Starting point is 00:18:48 Let us know in the comments, which is your favorite episode from season one? I think my favorite episode is episode 12. I truly that, that, I mean, there's not a bad episode in the season, but I think 12 was one of my favorite versions of a Spider-Man story being told. And we're really excited for season two.

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The Reel Rejects - SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN Season 1, Episodes 11, 12, & 13 REVIEW!

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