The Reel Rejects - Star Wars: MAUL - SHADOW LORD EPISODE 9 & 10 RVIEW - TRULY EPIC FINALE!

Starting point is 00:00:00 This podcast episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever think about switching insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy. Just drop in some details about yourself and see if you're eligible to save money when you bundle your home and auto policies. The process only takes minutes and it could mean hundreds more in your pocket. Visit progressive.com after this episode to see if you could save. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary.

Starting point is 00:00:30 Not available in all states. Have you ever wondered why songs on the radio are popular? Why does certain movies get made, even though the premise seems completely random? Why are concert tickets costing you $3,000, but nobody makes any money touring? Well, on my podcast, breaking down the biz, we answer all those questions and more. I'm Seth Schachner. I have over two decades of experience in the entertainment and the music industry, and every week I talk to insiders that lend insight and expertise on the media.

Starting point is 00:01:00 you know and love, past, present, and future. Subscribe now on your favorite podcasting platform or watch us on YouTube so you never miss a beat. Let's make sense of this industry together. Guys, thanks for being patient with us. We've got to get to it right now. Let's just freaking do it. Let's jump in.

Starting point is 00:01:23 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you guys for a patient with us as we got to this episode 9 and 10 reaction. We just watched Mall Shadow Lord. So if you happen to be listening to us on Apple or Spotify, five-star rating. We just asked for five-star. Or one star. Just five.

Starting point is 00:01:37 Just five. One or five. Dinary. Secondly, thank you all have been joining our Patreon page. Supporting the channel that way. That means the world. That's where you get the full reaction watching along where you sing up with your own copy.

Starting point is 00:01:48 Help offset many of the copyright claims. Time of filming this. Currently got a copyright strike and another one coming in. So, you know, always living on the edge here. And you guys help keep us alive battling the YouTube lords. All right. We got shirts, too. Got good shirts.

Starting point is 00:02:04 I like our shirts. I actually like I was being dismissive of. It's a good shirt. Yeah. I mean, your shirt's official. It's big. And mine's license.

Starting point is 00:02:10 It's a, I need, like, tight it in it. Yeah. It's a little too big. It says, Snip, snip, snip at the bottom.

Starting point is 00:02:16 Hey, Invader. Oh, my God, it worked. I know. Oh, yeah. It's poetry. It rhymes.

Starting point is 00:02:22 That's right. That's right. R.R. token. Yeah. All righty. All righty. So, Michael,

Starting point is 00:02:29 look, I'll say this. We knew Docy would die. No. I thought he was going to be dead. I absolutely wrote season two in my head. It's a docky season. That docky and mall try to rescue Devin from Vader, who is training her to be his secret apprentice to take down Cidius.

Starting point is 00:02:49 That is too much. No, I think it's the right amount. It's too much. Greg. Docky dead. That was brutal. I also, I loved how they, we saw the death happen through Devin's feelings. instead of seeing the moment of impact of the lightsaber.

Starting point is 00:03:08 And they absolutely, that was probably the most graphic lightsaber hole I have ever seen in my entire life. And animated. In animated. Even outside of animated, it was like a chunk out of him. Really? Everybody else was like, oh, it's easy. You know, that, it was like, whoa.

Starting point is 00:03:26 I don't remember if Osaka didn't have. I remember when Sabin Rang got stabbed and then went to work the next day. Yeah, well, you know. sometimes Greg not everybody has great health care not everyone to take time off not everybody has BTO to spare

Starting point is 00:03:42 Greg well yeah I thought that this was what do you mean we make the joke of it's like poetry or rhymes so this really is like poetry or rhymes there's so many layers

Starting point is 00:03:54 that's the matic resonance yeah I mean I think the fact that our first introduction to mall I mean number one there's the great irony of it all that ultimately Vader became what Mall always dreamed of being

Starting point is 00:04:06 and what he was meant to become. And so there's like this element of this stolen destiny that I'm sure haunts the living heck out of Mall. And now it's confirmed. You know, because for the longest time, he knew there was Palpatine,

Starting point is 00:04:22 but after Dukyu died, after Grievous died, like, I don't think it was necessarily clear to him that Sidious had found a replacement. Yeah. And then on top of that, you have this they've met. In Clone Wars

Starting point is 00:04:37 at the end of Clone Wars he was telling Osoka that he was seeking Anakin Skywalker as an ally. Oh, I didn't know. I don't remember the specific lines if it was. I'm trying to remember the specifics there too,

Starting point is 00:04:50 but I don't think it necessarily processed to him. Or maybe it did during this battle that that is Anakin. Yeah. And that part of the plan has come to fruition. I mean, that's just way too much

Starting point is 00:05:02 information to explain. Yeah. Well, so you just call him it instead. That is what he's turned into. Yeah. Yeah. No, and I was also thinking about for Dockey. Docky, there's no way he didn't know Anakin. Yeah, that's a good point. You know, and there was also sort of this element, especially because he's on the smaller side. There was a moment where he was like hitting down and it was like, oh, he's absolutely seeing Yoda in his head right now. hitting down, isn't that also how Luke attacked Vader in return of the Jedi? Yeah, when he's full of rage at the end. Yeah. No, that's, again,

Starting point is 00:05:45 there's the poetry. But all of this coming down to had Maul succeeded, none of this would have happened. And Vader is really the ultimate sort of look at his failure as an apprentice. Yeah. But I think beyond that, the deeper layer is none of this would have happened had two boots, not call the Empire. Literally, though.

Starting point is 00:06:12 The amount of suffering that occurred as a result of that is very hard to explain. Empire would have eventually come anyway. That's how the Empire rolls, man. Eh, but two boots. He's the Jar Jar of the Mall series. I suppose. I love two boots, though. No, I do too.

Starting point is 00:06:28 I love Jar Jar. but Misa think he's a fucked up. He kind of did. Yeah, he kind of did. He kind of did. Obviously, because we're not just talking about these episodes, but like of the season, what did you think of the pacing? It's great.

Starting point is 00:06:45 I think this would be a great binge. I think it works as a, I think they did the release model very smart on this. Two episodes at a time. Yeah. Very good. Just enough. Just enough for you getting a hybrid of a binge. and a weekly for excitement.

Starting point is 00:07:02 I think as one complete package, it just ramps up to the full-on intensity. Like, it was very overwhelmingly intense by the finale. Like, the penultimate had a crazy fight with freaking the Inquisitors versus our protagonist. And then we get Inquisitors again, Vader, who's just this, like, a demon, this giant's demon.

Starting point is 00:07:25 It's crazy that we went from, like, oh, wow, they, like, broke into the, their apartment and there's this intense. And I'm like, wow, how could it feel any bigger than it already is? I thought pacing wise, it was really, it was so nice to let the show breathe. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I really thought that Doc he was going to, like, you know, we said it every single episode, oh, this is the one, this is the one. Yeah. And the restraint to not do that until the end and to let her slow sort of descent towards the dark side be as a result. of Moll's betrayal there though.

Starting point is 00:08:03 Well, it read like he was fleeing and he want, but yeah, no, he fully betrayed Dockey. Like he wanted Dockey to die and for her to witness. Well, and Doc said the two of us together have a chance, which another great reference to episode two and episode three of, dude, that was, that was, we'll go in together. I'm just saying that immediately gets arms chopped off. I thought he was going to have a little bit more of a, of a quai, Dawn death where it's in the middle of a fight. And it's like, he's about to dead.

Starting point is 00:08:33 I wasn't expecting them to lean into the villainy side of mall in that moment. Let mall, that's what's smart about it. They still let him actually be a villain in that moment. They didn't sugarcoat that. Well, it's the, a selfless Jedi would have never been able to make that decision. No, no. Even though that in short, at least one of them survives. Yeah, for sure.

Starting point is 00:08:55 A SIF, however. Siff deals. Absolutes. Scyl Absolutes. That was absolutely gorgeous. The fight scenes were incredible here. It's some of the best, man. This is it's like the Clone Wars Penultimate

Starting point is 00:09:11 tends to take the cake for animated lightsaber fights. There's something to be said about at least the choreography here. You know, like the emotional intensity is a little hard to match. It's a fucking Osoka versus Mall. This really takes,

Starting point is 00:09:26 this might be like better in terms of choreography. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think it, it took it to a different level entirely.

Starting point is 00:09:34 Yeah. I mean, you used the word mesmerized during that one sequence were all four of the red lightsabers were all colliding with each other.

Starting point is 00:09:43 And it was just a, it's a, it's so crazy because I recently watched a clip of like early Clone Wars. Okay. The juxtaposition and the quality of animation

Starting point is 00:09:55 from the start of Clone Wars to today is just, I mean, like, hats off to all of them. And in so many ways, it's, um, it has been such a emotionally fulfilling thing for growing up with Clone Wars. This just gets progressively darker and darker and darker. And I feel like, this is such a beautiful payoff for somebody that's enjoyed all of that through the years.

Starting point is 00:10:24 You're so right. They, they really map this out smart to let Devin go to the dark side. Like some stuff did fulfill, come to fruition, what some of us expected would occur. They still earn it, though, in ways that surprise you. They make it rewarding for how Docy dies, for how she actually turns. The decision, you know, the decision is made when she decides to grab the lightsaber from all. Like, it's orchestrated so well, and everything is so overwhelmingly intense that by the time you get, this was a great visual two-parter because they still kept narrative and emotion.

Starting point is 00:11:01 moving forward, where they didn't need to stop and have, like, character dialogue scenes, even though they had some, you know, like, I kind of like Riley. Riley's whatever. I mean, I think it's more Riley represents than anything. He's a thing for Lawson. Well, not just for Lawson, but I think he's especially heading into season two. I think he is an essential emotional thread still linking Devon to her past. That's true.

Starting point is 00:11:31 That is true. So do you think Rook is dead? You know, the more I think about it, the more I'm thoroughly convinced that Lawson and Rook actually get out together. You actually made a really good point that they could. I thought I heard like a neck snap. And that's maybe what we heard and maybe that's what will happen. But I don't necessarily believe that either of those characters considering how big of a role that they've played that they would be off screen. Sure.

Starting point is 00:11:59 Because think about it. Everyone else has gotten it on screen in this episode. Yeah. Starting with SpyBot, which was horrific. Yeah. And then the Dathamiri Zebrac, which was just like so devastating how he jumped into the acid a la Gallum and Return of the King. You know, it's funny. I do remember you pointing out, he really likes SpyBot and how he liked his droid and Phantom Menace.

Starting point is 00:12:25 I thought that was like, ah, Michaels is really reading it to something. But then he really is like. No, that's why by the dice and it hits. And he's like, no. Like, you're fucking upset by it. No, but I think that's part of what makes Mall such an interesting character, right? Like, he's part of being a Sith is giving into attachments. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:46 You know, that's why he cares about each one of these people. And ultimately, I mean, his, even with Devin, it might be like coming from a very selfish place. But I think he already really cares. about her. You know, and like, probably. The only fear that he really experienced this entire time was at the prospect

Starting point is 00:13:05 of losing her when Vader appeared. Yeah. But I think that's sort of the, and honestly something I hope that they explore with the series now. Like, yeah, the Jedi get rid of all attachments. Um, and yet they're good people.

Starting point is 00:13:20 So can you have like a healthy dynamic between a SIF master and apprentice that shows like, the joy that exists between them and the font like it's going to do the thing that acolyte did not get the opportunity to do i mean and i'm glad that you brought acolyte up because this really did have a it felt of a similar vein in terms of intensity i mean i felt like the um well the setting the setting but even the inquisitors had the same sort of like oh my god what the heck was the guy's name wasn't the acolyte was it

Starting point is 00:13:58 No, the main Ackleit guy? Yeah, the guy. The main bad guy. Oh my God. I'm a bad Star Wars fan. I think you get a pass with Star Wars fans, even though we were... It got canceled. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:11 So I decided to clear a little room in the hard drive and add force on leash back into it. We weren't big fans of the Akely, but we were nowhere near, like, the egregious haters. I didn't... I mean, it was one of those series that, like, I wish they would have let it cooked for another season. Yeah. And honestly, what's the biggest fundamental difference between this series and that series? That series had zero respect for pacing. This series has nothing but respect for pacing.

Starting point is 00:14:38 The amount of restraint that was required that made this finale feel as big as it did is a credence to the writers. Sure. Because like when you're playing around with Star Wars and lightsabers, it's really easy to just like want to do it all right away. But even like down to two boots and spy bot and like, why do I care of? about spy bot. Yeah. You know. But I went,

Starting point is 00:15:00 no, you know? I love the layers to it. Even when he's fighting the Inquisitors, there's the layers because they are all in some way, like,

Starting point is 00:15:09 it's like being part of the Black Widow program or something. Or you're all part of the same sperm donor. You know, like, you know what I mean? I don't think that's what the Inquisition is,

Starting point is 00:15:20 Gregory. It's all, it's all just, uh, Sidious donating and then they get bit made. Doth, Spurb, don't know.

Starting point is 00:15:27 Darth's sperm. In some way, there's some type of relation or connection, even with the Inquisitors, because they're all descendants to some extent of Darth Sidious. So I like how this show has thematically made everything useful. And I remember years ago, that clip where Faloni was defending the shit out of the Phantom Menace. And a lot of those things that he defends, I think, really came full circle here. No, I mean, that's one of the, It's funny because as time goes on, the Phantom Menace becomes, I enjoy Phantom Menace far more than Attack of the Clones, which I see as the weakest of the prequels.

Starting point is 00:16:07 A lot of people say that. And I did not feel that way growing up. I always would have said, you know, episode two and then episode three is the best. And episode one is about, you know, Misa think we used to come a long away. And we have. Anyway, guys, what do you think about this episode of, of Marlon? shadow lord Michael,

Starting point is 00:16:27 Tessler Greg. Darth Michael. Greg. Is there any Darth Twilight's? Twilocks? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:35 And legends. Like who? The inspiration. As he types it in. The inspiration, which technically comes in the sequel, in like the alternative

Starting point is 00:16:51 sequel era, which is, of course, Darth Tallin. That's the one. Now everybody's like, it's not Darth Tallinn and like, yeah, obviously it's not Darth Tallinn because that's after the galactic Civil War

Starting point is 00:17:01 and she's connected with Cade Skywalker is a descendant of Luke and I'm actually not familiar with this character. Oh, yeah. I feel like I've heard this name before though. Well, this has been the inspiration for the character. Oh, so the idea is that that she would

Starting point is 00:17:16 sort of fill in a similar role as, but it's funny because like... Does Darth, does this Twilik interact with Moll? No, no. The mall is super dead. Okay. This chapter. This literally takes place 100 years after the galactic Civil War.

Starting point is 00:17:35 Okay. So the original trilogy. Damn, she's fucking hot. I think that's why people want to see this adaptation. Yeah, this is, if you're like into like goth mommy culture, this is definitely your cup of tea, Greg. I'd do it. I'd do it. All right, guys.

Starting point is 00:17:56 Well, do you guys want to see Darth Tallinn, be hot? Leave your thoughts down below on Talon. Leave your thoughts, T-H-O-T-S. Oh, so this is a common theory. It's literally on Star Wars.com. No, this is well-established. Oh, okay. But actually, that's sort of an interesting thing.

Starting point is 00:18:13 What if she ends up in like, wait, I have a crazy conspiracy theory. Hang on. Hang on. Because I have a theory right now about what the future of Star Wars is. because Grogu Gungi and several other characters are going to live a really long time

Starting point is 00:18:32 so I think Star Wars is going to do like a hundred year jump oh that'd be crazy where Grogu is like a teenager you know Yoda equivalent teenager Gungi is like Chewy's age you know I don't know if teenage grogues

Starting point is 00:18:47 is what people want I don't know either but I think that Star Wars needs to take a leap and I think the best way to do that is into the future. But what if she ends up in carbonite? That would be cool. And then she comes back as Darth Tallon. Darth Tallon.

Starting point is 00:19:03 Darth Tallin. Guys, you think she's Darth Tallinn? Leave your thoughts below. Do you think we're going to get a sequel, sequel trilogy with Gunji and Groku? I'd be down. I'd be down. And I'm down with the cause with all you,

Starting point is 00:19:14 rejects. Take care.

The Reel Rejects - Star Wars: MAUL - SHADOW LORD EPISODE 9 & 10 RVIEW - TRULY EPIC FINALE!

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.