The Reel Rejects - STRANGER THINGS Season 4 Episode 9 REVIEW!!

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Starting point is 00:01:55 get to them expect nothing less we love that you guys um reach out so keep leaving questions on anything and everything that we react to um first question ryan mckenna i just need to know if your team steve for life love you both and thank you so much for taking retaking this journey will you react to the season five trailer thank you for the question ryan i mean yeah like i see uh terra and i were definitely on uh doher Steve in season one, but then we grew to love Steve and I think that goes into more of my point that I spoke about that, you know, just because, you know, you don't always want to judge a book by its cover and we don't know what he was initially dealing with internally and all that. And we came to find out that he's a very courageous, very noble and very sensitive guy. He's got a lot of confidence as well. And he's just an incredible character and they really peeled the layers of him as we've gone through. Time and also he's also one of my favorite, him and Dustin, the bromance between the two of them is freaking awesome. It's really incredible to watch.

Starting point is 00:03:05 And I've just loved seeing the progression and the way the character's been fleshed out through all the seasons thus far. He's definitely one of my favorite characters on the show. In regards to React to Season 5, hey, look, if Greg asks us to, I'll do it. I honestly prefer not, I don't want to know a thing going into Season 5 to be quite honest. But again, if Greg asked us too, I will do it. I'm assuming Tara will as well. So I will tell him no. I don't want to see anything.

Starting point is 00:03:31 I'm with you. I don't watch any of the trailers really of anything just because this is my job. And I don't want to be spoiled. And trailers give away too much. So most likely not. But you probably will see obviously the other team members reacting to it. Because they're not, they'll be watching it just on their own. So they might be fine to be spoiled.

Starting point is 00:03:52 And team Steve for Life, I think that, you know, because he's grown so much, for life, for life is like savage. But you know what? I do think in him thanking Nancy and saying thank you, that signs me up for that, Steve, for life. because that takes a lot of balls for a guy to grow that much sort of be somewhat denied not really fully back in her good graces yet he did describe, you know, his dream

Starting point is 00:04:32 and then for him to actually admit that, hey, you were there takes just a lot of cajones. That is such a nerve-wracking thing to let someone know that, hey, I've actually been thinking about you this whole time for the past two years and for him to thank her because she is the stimulus for him becoming who he is now it would not have happened without her she makes him

Starting point is 00:05:00 want to be a better man would not have happened if she did not leave him behind and like he is now seeing the error of his ways and he's become a new person and for that yeah sign me up yeah he's accountable and she like he said thumped him on there bumped him on the head or whatever he said it was really beautifully and well delivered and again he's just a fully fledged and really well fleshed out characters he's awesome loves Steve so much and

Starting point is 00:05:26 I get why you guys gave me a lot of crap in season one but also I didn't have the foresight of knowing like you gotta remember where I was in season one of seeing the characters so but he's definitely one of our favorites for sure so thank you all right from London

Starting point is 00:05:42 thank you so much for being a real reject and for a question we appreciated out of all seasons which one has been your favorite four four four four four four four four four four four four four definitely four yeah no i mean look all all four seasons were phenomenal seriously there's not one season where i'm like i didn't care for that season at all i if whenever i rewatch this show i will watch every single episode even that sister's episode that i know some people will say doesn't fit the tone and just fit the storyline didn't even need to be in there. Understandable.

Starting point is 00:06:17 I get it. But I love every single moment of this show and every single character on this show. There is not a moment wasted. And for the fact that you have such an ensemble cast, rather, of characters, and you're still able to fit all these storylines and still mesh everything together so nicely without it feeling like too much of a googly mess, a goobly mess, whatever. It's just really impressive. But season four, like, I don't know how they,

Starting point is 00:06:44 did it, but they came up with a storyline that really weaves the narrative from the first three seasons into like the world building that we already got from season one through three. It was all because of Vecna and just the way it all weaved together. I'm like, damn, that was such a good way to do it. And it's so smart. And I just thought it was just so original and so brilliantly done. And I personally thought it was the best one. What about you? So I toyed back and forth between

Starting point is 00:07:12 obviously this season and the first one, but the first one only because of the newness and the excitement of knowing the story that we're getting into, which was completely unexpected. So when you ask about like the best writing, from the start, they knew where they were headed,

Starting point is 00:07:28 which makes it all really great writing. Meaning I, my assumption is the board in their house is filled with post-it notes of where does this character go and how do we get them there. So I really, really do think that like the dark night of the soul type of vibe that we got here in season

Starting point is 00:07:48 four we still actually got that in in season one two and three it's just that the climax of this all coming together and separating all those characters that we've grown to love in four different ways in season four was wild um even though they found ways to separate them prior it was a very large picture here we were literally in russia and back home and in arizona and down underneath and we're at the nina project wild so i really give them a lot of credit for knowing and ending up here at season four which i do think was brilliant but all the writing in between took us there so they knew what they were doing which is great all right Rennie, we made it.

Starting point is 00:08:38 It's been an absolute joy getting to rewatch a series with both of you. Your reactions to Stranger Things are what made me join Patreon. That's so great. I really love that. What were your top three moments of the whole series? Sending you all of my love. I appreciate that, Rennie. Thank you so much, Rennie.

Starting point is 00:08:55 What are the top three moments? That is so hard to pick out. I would say the Victor Creel reveal that he is, or Victor Creel, Henry Creel, that he's won and he's all. So Vecna and he's like three different reveals in one episode. He's Henry. He's one and he's Vecna. Like that's three twists in one.

Starting point is 00:09:14 I'd say that's definitely one of them. God, to come up with another two. So hard. It's hard because we, again, this is not an excuse. It's just the facts. We watch so much different stuff on here. So to pick out like specific things. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:32 I would say just the moment the writers decided to make. Steve and Dustin, you know, the bro, uh, the bro, uh, forces, I'd say bromance, but I was going to say the forces of nature of being bros. I'll call that a moment. So I'll pick that as too. And, uh, because I hated Jason so much, even though I understood his perspective and totally disagree with him. He was coming from a place of grief and a place of revenge. And when that consumes you, logic goes out the fucking door. So I totally understand and get that. But when Lucas like really beat the shit out of him that was really satisfying i wouldn't call it my favorite moment but it was a great moment i would say so just off the top of my head i do that and

Starting point is 00:10:13 i know that's recently bias but oh duh season of episode four when the running up the hill moment i'll go with that that was great what about you love that so i would go back to when we were at i think it was later in season one or the beginning of season two when we're at the school and she finally gets in the tub and um joyce is there with her and We're finally seeing her actually get to the upside down. We're finally understanding what that is as an audience member. And so are all the other characters in this scenario where they're running to the school to help her. Where they're like salt, pool, water, what else do we do?

Starting point is 00:10:52 Which I really loved. I got so giddy in this latest episode when Joyce and Hopper, like when they're talking and he goes, the moment when he goes is there something else I should have been thinking about he takes a step towards her and he asked her that question and I was like

Starting point is 00:11:12 like freaking out on the inside I cannot stand it how great that moment was I loved everything about it and I also would just say that I think in I really loved

Starting point is 00:11:29 really all of the mall which was season three I think just seeing them all and what they do in there but the times when it was Erica Robin and Steve and Dustin together that was just hilarious and I loved that vibe

Starting point is 00:11:48 so I would say that's my third those are very good choices man I love those all right Jessica Hauser and Jessica thank you for being a royal reject and we know that you've been asking a lot of questions here on the stranger thing so we appreciate you being so involved with all these questions.

Starting point is 00:12:05 So thank you so much. Such a great finale. We are finished for now. We'll get to season five. But yes, so sad it is. What is your biggest question or concern going into season five? What are you most looking forward to? Well, definitely, I'll let you go first this time, actually.

Starting point is 00:12:23 I have my thoughts, but I'll let you go. You could go ahead. No, no, go ahead. Okay. So going into season five, I think that obviously we are, We're ending on 11 looks fricking ready to go. She picks up that dead flower and we're like, yes, vengeance is ours, except I'm terrified. Because the way that it looks, I'm just, we're looking forward to obviously a fight between 11 and Vecna and to finally actually finish it.

Starting point is 00:12:57 and my question or concern going into it is how many people are going to die because it's the last season and he has already shown his Vecna how strong he is he did you know overcome 11 but then Mike obviously

Starting point is 00:13:20 being told by Will I mean what a chain of events that happens where Will's like you're the heart and then Mike is like, oh, okay, and he speaks to her and tells her to fight. I mean, it took all of them. Like, it takes a village type of a vibe. So I'm not sure if when we don't have access to that, what could happen? For sure. Those are some good points.

Starting point is 00:13:43 I would say biggest question, well, concern the stakes were so high in that episode we just watched. I really felt like anything or anyone could at any point go, especially with Veckel. he's such an unstoppable force as we saw there at the end even against 11 like he was able to survive that and even after they threw all the Molotov cocktails or however you say it so especially you know to terrorist point this is the final season so the stakes are going to be at an all-time high and it's going to be so unpredictable who could possibly go at any which time so I'm definitely going to be wary of that for sure when it comes to things going into big question marks I know I mentioned it at nauseam but they were pretty clear that I think there could be a possibility of a relationship, you know, with Mike and Will. That's a possibility. There's clearly a love triangle between Nancy, Steve, and Jonathan. So I'm anxious to see where that goes. I'm curious to see now how Hawkins reacts to the underworld being on, or in Hawkins, rather, how that plays out. And Vecna now, even though he's still powerful and still dangerous he's been wounded so like how is he uh you know is he does he heal or is he like uh still

Starting point is 00:15:02 going to be like at 50% like i'm curious to see about that as well because he is from the or he's got the i mean he was in the underworld all this time so like i don't know how that all works but we're curious to see how that how all that plays out so i would say those are some of my questions going into season five but and also too of course who are the famous uh any famous celebrities that are going to be in season five so that's also why i don't even want to watch anything or know anything about season five so all right christina thank you so much for being a royal reject and for asking the question we really appreciate it hi and terrah hello which character do you think changed the most over four seasons what do you think will happen in season

Starting point is 00:15:42 five i mean they all pretty much i think um that i probably seen the most change with jonathan Because we really started with him and Nancy, you know, being a couple, and I've talked about this throughout the series, of him being very much like Nancy where they were like straight, kind of like straight era, know where they're headed, not getting into any like bad stuff, being the level headed people, keeping like their brothers and sisters like in order. Like they were like the foundation. And then Jonathan sort of lost this way with Argyll, not in a terrible way. We love Argyle and he needed a minute and he was just trying to figure it out. But then we do see him come back. And the last thing he kind of says to Nancy is was like, I just had to figure some stuff out. And we don't really end on a very solid note in regards to their relationship.

Starting point is 00:16:44 Agreed. So they leave us in a little bit of rocky waters there. And I think that it's like, well, Jonathan's saying that, saying that I needed the time or I was going through something sort of says that he may not fall back to that, back to that Argyle vibe, especially because of that conversation he had with his brother where, you know, Will says like, well, you were high most of the time. So like, I couldn't come to you. So that makes me feel he's going to be a little more straight arrow, which may mean now that. that he's back with Nancy, that it may actually really work. And I'm excited to see where that goes,

Starting point is 00:17:27 even though they didn't leave us on a solid foundation. For sure. That's a great point. And also, too, he's straight up directly asked her, are we okay? So, I mean,

Starting point is 00:17:35 he could feel the distance and just, like, could tell from just how she was responding subtextually as well. So he's, he knows his girlfriend very well. So I think that's also,

Starting point is 00:17:45 like, observant of, like, how much he cares and loves her, too. So, yeah, I'm curious to see how that plays out again going into season five. And I would agree, Jonathan has changed a great deal from all four seasons. You can make an argument for so many different characters. Steve, just so many.

Starting point is 00:18:01 I'm going to go with Hopper. Sure. So with Hopper, this is a man, especially when we started, who is just really struck with trauma, grief, loss, and that, again, consumes him. And he has really gained a family now. he's got L is now his daughter. It seems like Joyce is possibly on the way to becoming his wife. Maybe I don't know. But I mean, we're in that possible terror.

Starting point is 00:18:26 It's his girlfriend now. So, I mean, the fact that, you know, he really lost his way in terms of, you know, he had this grief and this loss. And now he's like, I love this theme of even though, even if you've lost your way or life has thrown you like down, you can still pick yourself up and find goodness in the world. Yeah. I think that's so beautiful. And, like, he has really changed himself.

Starting point is 00:18:48 Like, he's become more mature. He's become more responsible and just become a better man. Yeah. And I love seeing that emotional and beautiful arc that he's gone through. And, again, just the fleshing out of his character. Like, he has just gone through an incredible ordeal and journey throughout the four seasons. So, and also what he just dealt with in the Russian prison, the last season was insane. But, like, he did it with guns.

Starting point is 00:19:15 and with courage and he's he's awesome i love hopper so much i agree i think instead of going like what do we think will happen in season five i think other people ask that we'll get to that at the end we'll go back to you christina next question jules are it's been so fun rewatching stranger things with you guys getting ready for season five this episode was such an emotional one cry every time i watch it anyway my question is what other song would have been just as epic in this or was Metallica's master of puppets the best choice. I'm sure there's other choices, but I loved Metallica's master of puppets. Like, it just fit with Eddie Munson and his personality.

Starting point is 00:19:53 I think it was a good infusion. And just with the darkness and the background and the lighting and in the upside down, I think that was the perfect blend and with the genre and everything. I think that was the perfect match, honestly. Like, I'm sure there's other things, but what do you think? Yeah. I am on, well, Butean and Prozac. so I didn't cry, but I felt set, so I'm with you, Jules.

Starting point is 00:20:16 That's what I was here for. And, yeah, you know what I would say is I really do love Metallic in here, but I would have gone for the 80s. The other choice, Van Halen, would have been really good. Obviously, he has all the guitar licks, which would have been really freaking solid. So that would be my other choice, which I think would be a lot of fun. That's good. all right njk uh underscore jinkees thank you for being a royal reject and being and for asking the question

Starting point is 00:20:46 we really appreciate hi terran andrew now that the cat's out of the bag how do you guys feel about vectna being behind all the attacks from the upside down i mean it completely you know makes sense uh it is very irritating to know know that this was like all his plan meaning after we got rid of the mind flare we're like hell yeah right and then we get the demo the demigorgon and now we're here where it's like it's been henry the whole freaking time oh okay except it makes a lot of sense because of how damaged he was and how isolated he was and um you know sure we're we're with the mindset of 11 where she said Papa put you here because he made you sort of a damaged, broken person, except he fights back

Starting point is 00:21:45 and says, no, it was you. And it's funny, that's where it all began, which if I, I guess we've really thought about it. The second this all started was the second 11 arrives here in our land, right? That it's all connected somehow, except we just didn't really know how to explain it. Now we do. but I do think that you said how do you feel yeah I mean I just feel like it's it's a smart move because you're you're thinking well if it's still a hive mind and there's doors that have been opened and closed and we're still working within those doors that has to be the part of the same sort of creature so it makes sense I think it was brilliant to be honest I think when you can still continue to world build and not redcon or redcon redcon redcon red I've used pronounced the word properly. I think that is the way to always go.

Starting point is 00:22:40 Because when you read con things, that's where people are like, okay, I get it was in purpose of servicing the story and the characters here in the moment, which I can forgive, but that doesn't feel natural progression to what I saw earlier on. And I feel like now, when I rewatch this before we get into season five, because I'm going to rewatch the whole thing on my own time now, I feel like rewatching that knowing that Henry, or Vecna, rather, is behind this all and knowing the history now of everything I've just seen. I'm going to be like thinking the back of my mind. Holy shit like Vecna is here in the upside down and he's just watching and meticulously planning all this.

Starting point is 00:23:14 And like and also too that him and 11 have this history with each other and Dr. Brenner. It's like it's just a mind. A mind F and it's just it's but it's like really good storytelling too. So I think it was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Question two from NJK.

Starting point is 00:23:32 Jinkies is if you didn't know Stranger Things was originally supposed to be an anthology series, but after season one did so well. They decided to continue the story while some fans love what we got. Others wish it followed the original plan. You know what? I can understand why some people wanted them to follow the original plan,

Starting point is 00:23:48 but I think these four seasons have been so damn good. I'm glad they didn't go with the original plan. I'm sure it would have been good too, but I've loved every second, every minute, every character. I'm so happy they did this instead. I mean, you didn't like the anthology.

Starting point is 00:24:06 film of Halloween three season of the witch and that that's like I'm not saying that this would have been Halloween three season of the witch type of thing because the Duffer brothers and the writing team are clearly incredible writers and they're very capable so but I'm glad that they stuck to their guns and they with their gut and they went with this because this has been nothing short of epic yeah I agree RC Flores I know Tara's all about the practical effects how would you rate the mixed use of practical and early special effects I'm about practical too don't I yeah i'm with uh about practical effects so i think my biggest thing and i've said this before i'm all about if you can blend practical and cg i think that's where the illusion becomes a lot

Starting point is 00:24:48 more real i think when you overuse cg i that's where it becomes an issue and you're like this doesn't feel as real anymore so um but the question was how would you rate the mixed use of practical and early special effects when it comes to this show i think uh everything is it feels very grounded, yet it still feels very 80s. Because in the 80s, as we all know, there was no CGI really. It was mostly practical effects. And I think this show does a great homage into sticking with that theme. And yeah, really nailed it with that. What about you? So I think where they went right, you know, with the practical stuff, Vecna is obviously is practical, but he's put into a special effects world. But even when we go to the upside down, those special effects look great. They

Starting point is 00:25:34 don't bug me the bats look great um and i mean there's there's one point when eddie sort of fighting them off and they look like or tornado where it's like yeah you can tell that it's special effects except it looks good right and that's the main thing is that the special effects here don't pull me out of the moment and the practical effects that are thrown in there in the important places which would be blood and damages on people and obviously Vecna, the stuff that matters that we actually really want to see look really, really good. So I think that's where they went right. But even with the special effects that we're using, which I assume even with the close-up

Starting point is 00:26:22 shots of the demigorgon, we're getting a mix of practical and special. and that's what matters. And I think that's why it looks so great. That's my favorite. I love the mix of both. All right. Captain Fernandez, thank you for being a royal reject

Starting point is 00:26:38 and for asking the question. We appreciate it of the four seasons we have had so far. Where would you rank season four and why? I would rank season four really high up there. I mean, I think we've already explained it in describing all of these. But I do think that in that, in them building up the suspense to separate all of our characters throughout the entire season to go into a different freaking country, also adding Yuri, bring back Murray into the picture,

Starting point is 00:27:11 Joyce and Hopper, they think he's dead, 11 thinks he's dead, Mike and them separated, they move, and then somehow we end up all back together. As like a family where we belong, which is the part that we got sad about at the end of three. Because we knew that Jonathan and Joyce and Will would have to, would have to leave. Yeah. You know, and now we're back at it again, which is great. You know, Tara, I would rank season four in the top four. Okay.

Starting point is 00:27:48 So I would say that. I would say number one for me. And the reason why is just because, again, the stakes, not that the stakes were not high. And the other three seasons, they certainly were. I just felt with Vecna, especially this incredible backstory you got with the villain. Not that the villains weren't incredible with the Demigorgian and the mind flare. They were. I just think Vecna was on a different level than those other creatures.

Starting point is 00:28:13 And also, this one had a voice and a personality. It's not like some, you know, monster that can't talk. So, like, I think that takes into another level of this season. Also, we got the introduction to Argyle. We got the introduction to Eddie Munson, and these are really impactful characters, like on a show that's already an ensemble and has a lot of characters, to insert new characters and have them be so impactful and so memorable, that's not easy to do. You can just say, hey, we're going to write some new characters, but for the audience to still adore and love them, and for me, and I know I'm going to get some comments, he was crying again, I'm not going to just cry to cry. I have to freaking feel something. I really mean that.

Starting point is 00:28:56 I'm genuine when I cry. And when Eddie died, I really gave a shit and felt something for this man to be, the town was ridiculing him and calling him a murder when he didn't do anything. And, you know, for him and like, it's understandable to run away in these types of situations. Like, God only knows. This woman said I would, in a horror situation on the real rejects, I'd be the first to die. And she's right. I probably would be. Like, I freak out over scary situations.

Starting point is 00:29:22 She's not wrong. the point is like it's understandable in that type of situation in the upside down to freak out and run away he stood up with courage and nobility and like that was that's a that's what a hero does you know what i mean and to do that when they'll end to stand up for hawkins too as well as himself and for the team his family around him to do that when the entire town is ridiculing you and calling you a murder like what an impactful and an amazing character in argyle i mean what can you say is one of the greatest stoners in the history of just filming TV. He's awesome.

Starting point is 00:29:56 His delivery. That actor is really good. I hope he like really gets a lot more roles. He's really, really good. It's not easy. I know people are probably saying it's probably easy to play a stone. It's not. I promise you you can just do a stereotype of what you think a stoner would do.

Starting point is 00:30:09 It's not an easy role to do. I promise you. It could be tedious and old and what your delivery might be. He did a great freaking job and I loved him so much. So, yeah, I would say this season just there were so many epic moments, so many heartfelt moments. The stakes were so high. And the world building was incredible that added so much more depth and nuance to the other seasons. And it just made me think that this is one of my favorite shows of all time. And I really wholeheartedly mean it. And this, the first three seasons,

Starting point is 00:30:39 I already felt that way, but this season really cemented that for me. Yeah, love it. All right, from Binnie Bunn, what do you guys think your ideal endings for our main characters would be after watching them grow and mature over the last four seasons? I want them all to live happily ever after and nobody dies that's my ideal ending but that's unfortunately terra and reject nation not how the world works i know because i'm dealing with loss right now so i you know but um that's just not real life it's not real life but you know we could write it that way because we got the pen and the typewriter so um my ideal ending i mean stop vekna uh stop upside down from invading earth right I don't know

Starting point is 00:31:20 this is a tough question because we just came off a very impactful and amazing episode right now I haven't had time to really process and think about what I would want how I would want this show to

Starting point is 00:31:32 it's a great question but I'd really have to sit and think about how do I want this show to end where do I want the characters to end up I just know I'd want them to be and I know like happy

Starting point is 00:31:42 is such a novel idea like what is happy exactly right is that a lot of money in the bank. Is that you being saying? Yeah, exactly. But that's like, I'd want them to, I'd at least want them to know that they are still, the ones who do hopefully survive, and I'm hoping it's all of them, if not most of them. I'd want to know that they still stay in contact with each other constantly and that they remain in that family dynamic, if anything, just that, just off the top of my head.

Starting point is 00:32:09 Yeah, totally. I would hope that, you know, Hopper and Joyce, if we see like a wedding and we see you know 11 up there and Mike and Will and they're like it's it's basically just this family dynamic to where you know asshole is gone and killed and we can just like live our lives again that would be great and I also would love to see Dustin back with his girl Susie um yes with Susie and then see where like Nancy and Jonathan go if we went like fast forward into time, I'd be like, yeah, Nancy and Jonathan are like a married hopper and Joyce are married and the rest. I'm not sure, but we're living happily.

Starting point is 00:32:55 That's what I'd want. All right. From Gabriel, thank you so much for being a real reject and for asking the question. We appreciate this season was literally epic. Agreed. If the fifth and final season delivers the goods, do you think it could be considered as one of the absolute, excuse me, do you think it could be considered one of the absolute, excuse me, Do you think it could be considered as one of the absolute best shows ever made?

Starting point is 00:33:19 Yes. Absolutely. Okay. Hands down. The writing and the directing from the top, the reason why season one came out and literally everyone was like, have you seen stranger things? I did hear that a lot. Have you watched it?

Starting point is 00:33:35 Have you watched it? Have you haven't? You should watch it. Yeah. It's the same thing that I said about adolescence when that Netflix show came out. earlier in the year, I went on alive and I was like, you guys listen to me. And now

Starting point is 00:33:50 it's like eight Emmys later and it's back on the top list on Netflix. It's not a new show. It's been around for a minute. My point being is that Stranger Things is the exact same thing. It delivers epic writing, great callbacks,

Starting point is 00:34:06 good characters. We set a foundation. We care about them. So if something looks like it's going to happen, we give a shit. which is awesome. And then obviously when we get into the action, it looks great. It's a mix of special effects and obviously practical effects, but they look good and we believe it.

Starting point is 00:34:27 So yes, hands down, of course. Absolutely. It's story-driven action as opposed to just mindless driven action, which I don't mindless driven action too as long as it's entertaining, but agreed. Yeah, to your point also, Tara, I will tell you, you know, When this show first aired, even though I obviously did not watch it. Greg and many other friends in my life just constantly were asking, have I seen this show? I was like, nope, but this show was made for you.

Starting point is 00:34:56 It's in the 80s, your favorite decade ever. And there's so many epic things about it. I'm like, I will get around to it. I promise. And I just, for some reason, never did. But I'm glad I get to experience it with Tara and with you all here at Reject Nation. It's honestly been a joy. And I agree.

Starting point is 00:35:13 if it does, even if it, for some reason, if it's not as up to par with seasons one through four, I'll definitely be sad and a little disappointed, but you know what, I'll be so grateful for how good seasons one through four were. And I would still consider it one of my all-time favorite shows, even if season five didn't deliver. But I would, but if season five does, hands down, one of the best shows ever. And again, it's got characters we love. It's got storylines that are epic. It's got villains that are holy shit awesome with crazy backstories that are scary and you know what it does everything we want in a show and more so yeah all right so let's get to this selina i've really enjoyed rewatching one of my

Starting point is 00:35:58 favorite shows with you both my question is what are your predictions for max in the next season since she's been through so much in the past two seasons she's in a coma do you think she can be saved love you both very much love back to you selina i think that like she has been through a ton my assumption in keeping her alive and in the hospital and 11 you know grabbing her hand and being there for her that we're bringing her back in in some way i don't know if she's going to be able to walk if she's going to be you know in in a wheelchair um we'll we'll see but i i do think that she can be saved and i think there's a reason we see her on the hospital bed otherwise they would have just killed her off because they don't think

Starting point is 00:36:42 they're going to bring her back in season five to be like, we lost her. I don't think we'll leave on that note. So I think that she'll be back. I think she'll obviously be changed. I don't know if she'll be able to walk. She went through a very traumatic experience. So we'll have to see.

Starting point is 00:37:02 I mean, her whole life has been a traumatic experience. Granted, this one was a lot more physical traumatic experience. But yes, I agree fully with Tara. If they were not going to bring her back, they would have just killed her. So 100%. And as I mentioned quite a few times during the reaction, the power of love triumphs all.

Starting point is 00:37:18 So I completely see her coming back and I cannot wait because I could not stand it if Max was not coming back. She's such an awesome character. Yeah, totally. All right, Jay Rush. And what up, Jay? Thank you so much for being a royal reject and for asking the question.

Starting point is 00:37:31 We appreciate it. It's over now. The Wait for Turkey Day. Will you guys be reviewing? Welcome to Dairy on October 26th question. What is your toppers? for your surfer boy pizza there. In regards to Welcome to Dairy,

Starting point is 00:37:46 I don't know, am I allowed to say what movies we are reacting to soon? Or am I, I guess that gives away a little bit of a clue there. My assumption is like, It will lead into that. So I'm not positive, but probably. Okay, well, I just did, I guess basically there. We are going to be reacting to It and It Chapter 2. So there's your little spoiler for that. I have no idea if we're doing Welcome to Dairy.

Starting point is 00:38:08 I guess we'll see how the It videos do. if they do phenomenal maybe yeah um i would love to though i've been almost my toppings for my pizza are going to be pepperoni i'm going to do mushrooms and i'm going to also do uh onions and if it's possible i'll do tomato sauce but also there is a pizza place i go to called topers and they actually can change it from tomato sauce to garlic sauce and i freaking love it it's so good it's my favorite pizza ever what about you that sounds really good i probably do all of that add pineapple because I would try that. Delicious.

Starting point is 00:38:43 All right, driving ahead. Going into the final season, there is a large community of people online who will ship Will and Mike called Byler. Byers plus Wheeler. I like that. Season four makes it clear that Will is a crush on Mike. It's portrayed as largely unrequited,

Starting point is 00:38:58 but I believe they're holding on to Mike's perspective to keep us guessing. There are a ton of hints for Byler throughout the entire show, including the final scene where Will, Mike and 11 are literally in a triangle. I did see that. Evan walks ahead, leaving Will and Mike with the other canon couples. Will and Mike are in the center of the final shot? Yep.

Starting point is 00:39:15 What do you think of this possibility? Will you be reacting to the season five trailer? We're not react. We already answered that. And you obviously think that it's definitely going to be. And also to this, I didn't mention it while we were reacting to it. I really did notice that they were standing right. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:39:33 I'm talking. Yeah, of course. I mentioned that several times. I'm talking about the final moment where Elle was walking out in front. And, oh, you saw all the couples, Jonathan and Nancy, Hopper and Joyce. Yeah. And you saw Will and, or Biler, is there called? You saw Biler standing right next to each other.

Starting point is 00:39:51 That was very clear as daylight. So, yeah, I think there could be some symbolism or foreshadowing there. For that, I'm still holding on to that to see what happens. I mean, the show does like to throw a curveball at you here and there. and this show really knows how to do love triangles pretty well so we shall see what happens I agree we'll see I don't know I don't

Starting point is 00:40:12 really like every time he said that I'm like no I don't think so I think it might be unrequited and still continue to be but who knows we shall see all right Mark Leach thank you so much for being a royal reject and for asking the question we appreciated my question is if you could give one

Starting point is 00:40:28 character absolute immunity and guaranteed to survive the final season who would it be for me it's Steve i'll be gutted if anything happens to him that's not i love it's so hard to answer i'm just gonna go with dustin god damn it you took my choice um i don't want to answer the same one as you um say hopper and you can take dust no no no no you take dustin i will take oh my god i'll take will the man has been through so much try he was stuck in the uh upside down in season one. He had the mind flare and the mind flare is still in.

Starting point is 00:41:07 This man has been through so much freaking horror the last few seasons and he still is pining for the love of his best friend. Like this man needs to survive. Yeah. I'm going with Will. Agreed. Andrew Nickerson, congrats on completing season four. What do you think about the theory that we'll find out in season five that this was all an elaborate game of D&D in the end. They end the show back in the basement with our season one episode one cast. I mean, I'm down that'd be awesome that'd be awesome it'd be like in it'd be like in the matrix where neo was like none of this really happened and he was just all a dream the entire all the films you know it'd be like that that'd be definitely a mind trip if they did that i'd be i don't know how i'd feel if that was

Starting point is 00:41:49 the case but i mean we got to do d and d one time and just play on the channel that'd be fun even though i've never done it but tell us in the comments if you guys want us to do that all right brianna thank you so much for being a royal reject asking the question we appreciate watching these reactions seriously is such a nice escape you guys are the best bryana serious we appreciate you saying that means a lot i think they did an amazing job fleshing out all the characters and relationships even with such a large ensemble which character relationship would you be most excited to see expanded on more in this next season oh that's a great one really good one because the dustin and steve one i feel has been expanded upon so much i you know what i

Starting point is 00:42:32 I wouldn't mind the, hold on, I don't think there was. I know, it's like, oh, oh, gotcha, gotcha, yeah, yeah, gotcha, yeah. I would say the Lucas and Erica one, I think that relationship is fascinating just because they're brother and sister and they make fun of each other so much. But like seeing her like in his time of need when he was being attacked and she, like you could see how scared she was for him. I'd like to see that relationship be expanded upon a little more because, again, they come from a place of making fun of each other. naturally so i have i've siblings where we do the same thing so i'd love to see that relationship expanded upon a little more what about you yeah i like that i'm really excited to see joyce become a more of a motherly figure to 11 even though she's already there like i almost cried when it was like

Starting point is 00:43:16 joyce is hugging her actual children and she sees 11 and then she like goes to hug her and you know that like it would be such a wonderful thing for her to have like this stable family with joyce and hopper and like have her family there so i'm excited to see that good call all right theo eddie's death is one of the scenes that made me cry the most of all television i've ever watched personally and i have to applaud the death of brothers for that their ability to to make us care for a character in just one season so that their death would be so impactful is unmatched it's almost a trope at this point but season two with bob then alexie in season three and now eddie in season four so my question is do you think they will use their trick one last time and we will have a new

Starting point is 00:43:57 character in season five that will grow on us only to break our hearts once again later in this season. Theo, great point on Bob Alexi and Eddie. That is a very astute observation. And you know what? The Duffer brothers and the writing team on the show are so damn brilliant. And I'm not saying that to say that. I say it because I have witnessed it now four seasons in a row and they have earned my trust. And I would not throw anything past them if they do that again. I mean, I will be heartbroken, but also I will be so grateful that they gave me such a character that is so impactful on such an ensemble piece. So I think that's brilliant writing

Starting point is 00:44:29 when you can do that, but we shall see. I don't think they will. I think that they're just going to kill off our favorite characters and put us in that, in that position where favorite people will die is going to be sad,

Starting point is 00:44:40 but then some people obviously will live so that we're not like crying in corners for like the next month. We shall see. Dee the Shadow, thank you so much for being a real rejected and for asking the question. We appreciate you.

Starting point is 00:44:52 Thank you for the great reactions. It's been fun rewatching with you for the final season. what are your thoughts on the contents inside Mike's speech to Elle looking at it on the surface. It appears to be an emotional love confession, but if you go deeper, you start to see some cracks and lies such as saying he knew, or saying he knew loved her when he first saw her, even though we know in the first season he initially went along with the plan to try to get rid of her and continue to look for will. There's also the fact that it didn't actually work and their relationship still appears to be

Starting point is 00:45:21 strained. How do you think things may develop in season five? well, you know, where I stand. I mean, yeah, he's still, he, sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, go ahead. I was just going to say, we know he really adores and cares about her. But I think, like, deep down, I think he cares about, I think Biler is there. I think he really cares and adores for Will, and that's going to come out.

Starting point is 00:45:41 But he's still, like, again, there's still a deep affection that he feels for L. So I think you are on to something here. He's totally been saying this, like, forever, like the Mike and Will thing. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if I see it. I understand what you're saying that he was like, get out of. here we got to find well because he's my bestie um i still think like if if they were smart about it i feel like it might still be unrequited love but if they do get them together i would i would

Starting point is 00:46:09 yeah i really i trust them to make a good writing and make it believable he might just be like bye or he might find out that he's gay i don't know like that he's gay too because he's like you're my best friend let's rock and roll i don't know man we'll see All right. Last question. Sinali. My question is, L hasn't moved. If L hadn't moved to California, what do you think Max and L's friendship

Starting point is 00:46:32 would have looked like in season four? Both of them were struggling with similar things. Grief, guilt, PTSD for different reasons. Elle was also struggling with repressed memories and Max was suicidal ideation. That is a very fascinating and great question. I think that, yes, everything you said is very true,

Starting point is 00:46:49 but I think like they were both very lonely and very distant from the ones that they were, their boyfriends at the time so I think they could have used that time to confide in one another especially when you're dealing with grief and trauma and loss like you are like she was dealing with the loss of

Starting point is 00:47:04 Billy was Max and Elle was dealing with the loss of what she thought was her dad with Hopper so I feel like confiding in line because they are dealing with such the same kind of trauma they really could have bonded not bonded but at least like confided with one another in that sense

Starting point is 00:47:21 so I think like they were just so lonely in a sense is what I'm trying to articulate. And I think that's why they were missing each other so much. So that's how I feel. Yeah, I think the friendship, and I mentioned this when we were watching this, I think they're in the back of the big trailer RV thing. And she's talking to Lucas. And I was like, now would be the time when if 11 was here, that she would be able to bring Max back in a way that Lucas cannot, even though Lucas loves her and she loves him. There's just something about that friendship that they have built, that it's like the two

Starting point is 00:48:01 girlfriends of like they really care about each other. And they did see this really strong friendship forming that, um, blossom into something that like only 11 can really give to Max and can really get through to her as like girl to girl can't type of the thing so i think the reason they separated um is because i think max and l's relationship obviously would have continued to blossom but it puts us in like rough waters now that they they haven't we haven't had that time and now that you know max is a bit broken el tries to save her we didn't know she had powers to like freaking stop somebody's heart but okay we find that out now which is great and that just shows the love that they have for each

Starting point is 00:48:47 and I think they have to save that type of relationship from blossoming into like a huge thing of like best friends and we're here we're here for each other for life for the last season. And last thing I also feel like to the way Elle was being bullied by those girls in school I feel like Max would not have allowed that that type of thing. Yeah exactly so like that kind of stuff

Starting point is 00:49:07 and that's why like this season really put a lot of our characters into the deepest darkest places they've ever been to and I think that's like adds it adds more drama and you know fascinating storylines to explore so it's a great season yeah so we can't wait for season five i can't believe we're already here so uh thank you so much that you guys we really love you guys joining us we do have to get out of here i got to do another reaction after this but please leave all the comments leave the likes tell us what um where your heads at what do you guys think um we can't wait for

Starting point is 00:49:37 you to send us questions for season five we're very very excited we love you we'll see on the next one Thank you.

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