The Reel Rejects - SUICIDE SQUAD (2016) IS A MESSY NEON THRILL RIDE!! MOVIE REVIEW!!

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Starting point is 00:01:31 As I said a couple of times throughout this, I thought that the pacing was a little weird. Basically, what I think that they were doing is taking a blueprint and almost as if they wanted to copy and paste the main things that happen in a Marvel movie that make that team feel good and the audiences react. Like specifically. when it's like at the very end,

Starting point is 00:01:58 they try to make them buddy, buddy, like, oh, you're not driving. I'll drive. You want me? I'm going to pick up a car, whatever Harley Quinn says. Normally, if I believe, if the pacing was better and we built up the relationships for us to really feel something,

Starting point is 00:02:15 then I think that all of those moments where the soundtrack kicks in, it's supposed to be dramatic, we're supposed to feel for all of them, would have gotten, a laugh from that like a bigger laugh because why we would be there emotionally in our hearts of like holy tamale we almost lost all these people it's so sad that diablo just died and now we get a little bit of relief but it wasn't all built up that way i think that they were they're trying

Starting point is 00:02:47 to make it a thing and they didn't quite get there yet yeah no i i do agree but i'd still be very curious and interested to see an air cut. This is definitely my least favorite of the DCEU films, but David Eyre is a very talented filmmaker, writer, and director. So I'd be curious. In regards to Jared Leto's Joker, I think with him it was more style over substance. You know, he was extremely loud without actually saying much. And I don't think he brought much of the psychological and emotional depth that, say, previous jokers, like a Heath Ledger or even, a Jack Nicholson brought or even Mark Hamill that made those characters so fascinating and interesting to watch on screen. And again, he didn't get a ton of screen time. You know, the film was more of an

Starting point is 00:03:37 ensemble. I also personally think when it comes to this film as well, that I really feel like this was the wrong villain to, like, you got to remember, and again, this is all my personal opinion, but, like, Enchantress is, she deals in magic. Like, she can potentially kill Superman. man. I just think this was the wrong idea story-wise for this particular team to go after Enchantress. I would have personally found it interesting if this group maybe was

Starting point is 00:04:05 going after the Joker and that's an insert why you have Harley Quinn here. And throughout the storyline, you're like, is she going to turn on them? Is she going to go back to the Joker? And I think that would have like added a lot of like you know, like, I just think it would have made the film more interesting

Starting point is 00:04:21 in regards to Harley Quinn's angle and why she is involved with the squad. And it would have added a lot more nuance and depth in the film. It would have made it a lot more emotionally resonating with Hart. Because I still love Margo Robbie's performance. I love her as Harley. I just don't know if she fits into this particular storyline or the rest of the group. And I know I was kind of joking around in a few moments where I was like,

Starting point is 00:04:41 where's Wonder Woman, where's Aquaman and Flash. And I know they have not formed the Justice League. That movie came out next year, so they had not, Bruce had not brought the team together. But we did see a scene earlier with The Flash where he stopped a bank robber in Captain Boomerang. So I'm like, this is a world-level event, right? Where she is spreading the darkness

Starting point is 00:05:00 throughout the entire Earth. None of them show. I get Batman. There's nothing really he can do. But like, and I don't know much what Aquaman can do because it's on the surface, I guess. It's not underwater. But like Wonder Woman or the Flash,

Starting point is 00:05:14 none of them showed up to try and save the day. It's in a shared universe. So that's why I'm making these nitpicky compliance. But in regards to the like the team camaradering coming together, it's like I love the scene in the bar like I thought that was great and the internal conflict that's a dead I'm bad say Deadpool dead shot was going through and him and Rick I was about say Rick Flare again Rick Flagg some of those scenes like I thought that was actually rather interesting I liked some of those back and forth and with Diablo and when they do come together like I just personally did not feel anything and I wanted to like kind of I guess with Guardians of the Galaxy when they find have you seen Guardians of the the galaxy or has it been a while it's been a long time i think i've only seen okay well not not a spoiler but you know when the group does come together like it actually meet you really do give a crap and it means a lot like those really like they really take their time in that film like with the character moments and the

Starting point is 00:06:10 interactions and there's a lot of expo dumps in this film so it's just it's a bit much there's some really cool moments for sure but again i just feel like the the villain that they went to was not the one that they should have. I think, again, it would have been a lot more interesting if the Joker was who they ended up going after and then, like, is hardly going to turn on them or not? Would have been a fascinating angle that they could have went with.

Starting point is 00:06:34 Just my opinion. But yeah, anyways, thank you for the question. All right, Brittany Winter. Do you think the Suicide Squad represents the characters in a good way? It's had mixed opinions over the years. I will say in a good way, That's interesting.

Starting point is 00:06:54 I do like the way the characters are, I do like the whole sequence of like how Deadshot is talking about. Like, you know, we see Amanda Waller. She's got a, she shoots all the people who are not on the not need to know basis. And then he's talking about, you know, from a, like, she's really reprehensible in that moment. But it's like, wait, we're the bad guys here. And it kind of just answers that existential question. I'm like, well, she's going to end up like, you know, getting probably a raise.

Starting point is 00:07:23 still getting to keep her job, and we're all going back to prison for saving the world. So I think, like, from that perspective, it does ask some interesting questions, like, from there, which I do like. And, again, the things that I did like in this movie, I do like the internal conflict, but when it comes to, when it comes to Deadshot with Floyd, I really, I wanted to like the relationship between June Moon and Rick Flagg. It just, it happened so quickly. I'm like, I don't really, we didn't get to spend a lot of time with them, so I can't

Starting point is 00:07:53 I'd say that I was emotionally invested in that relationship. But the stuff with Diablo, I thought he, I thought he was a tragic figure, Tara, you know, in terms of like, I think what happens when you let the anger get the best of you. You know, you're uncontrollable in that way, especially with someone of his power level. So I don't know if it represents the characters in a good way, but I thought, you know, there were certain characters that were represented in a fascinating way, I would say.

Starting point is 00:08:17 What about you? So what I think they were trying to do in this film when you're asking, if they're trying to represent the characters in a good way. I think what they're trying to pull us in is to give us an emotional spot and a heart to all of them, right? Sort of like the villains, which is why, you know, they go through with, like, Diablo,

Starting point is 00:08:39 and he's like, I'm not that man anymore, you know. And then, obviously, Deadshot and his daughter. And then, I mean, Crock, we didn't get too much. Boomerang, not a ton. But you can tell that where the script is headed is trying to give us the fact that even though they may be villains who have killed people, they all have like a soul and a bit of a moral code. We got like one second of Katana like talking to her dead husband and the sword, right? They did these things really quickly. My assumption is thinking it would have some sort of emotional pull with us, which I did like this stuff with Deadshot and his daughter.

Starting point is 00:09:22 daughter, but there just wasn't enough foundation with the writing that I think would get the audience to a place where the writer and the director would assume that they would be when you show us this stuff, which is why I think that there is a mixed opinions, right? There's a disconnect there that I think this movie is fun, it's good, but it could have been awesome um especially with you know showing all their like powers there's very cool effects in here stuff looked very cool but i think they missed the mark with the storytelling and the pacing of it yeah all right lobster thank you for the question for being a royal reject suicide squad is there a character you like most out of the squad i didn't really find any of them endearing except diablo

Starting point is 00:10:18 slip not by far was slip not we got the most from him we got that whole background and we got the storytelling where they showed uh you know that whole story a game i'm just kidding he got like nothing from him he died like he died like to he died like to her's like who are you talking about who who who's i remember slip not okay he didn't say shit yeah well you went up in a in a yeah i was gonna i was gonna i was gonna i was gonna say i do even remember the first time seeing this when they didn't even show like slip not and then just show like something in from his past You know, where they show like an expo dump on him or something? They just said, he climbs buildings, and that was it.

Starting point is 00:10:55 And no game stats or anything. I'm like, I remember the first time I saw him, I'm like, okay, so he's going to die in like five minutes. But, yeah, I would, I'd agree with you, Lobster. Diablo is by far my favorite. I just, I like how he's a tragic figure. I like how he sees. It's terrible, of course, what happened. No justification in what he did in any way.

Starting point is 00:11:14 It was extremely immoral. but I do like that he sees the error of his ways and he's kind of made this moral code to himself and to others like I will not do this until you know Floyd or Deadpool keep doing that Deadpool dead shot until he puts him in a position you know motivation where he has to they have no choice

Starting point is 00:11:35 but I think it makes him you know the most interesting character in the film character you know character wise but I definitely would say he is uh he's the character I like the most by far. He was the one that I was resonating towards the most for sure. What about you? Yeah. I think they did yeah, an okay job. I mean, the best they could

Starting point is 00:11:56 do specifically to make anybody endearing was Diablo, but especially because of his background, right? He killed his wife and his two kids. And now we get to see like, oh, we get why you don't want to do this anymore. There's a dark pass there.

Starting point is 00:12:12 But I did, I did like katana a lot i do kind of like that she gets souls trapped in her sword there was a moment in this film where i thought maybe she did cut through the enchantress and that they were like looking around like where is she and i was like wait do you think she cut her and she's in the sword now and she didn't know like of course that didn't happen but i i do like her a lot and dead shot was a lot of fun i think the most interesting part of dead shot was actually seeing his very first kill of seeing the engineering and the angling behind that moving forward we didn't get any of that we didn't get any of the algorithm or the math linked into him and his bullets and how he

Starting point is 00:13:00 makes kills that's a very specific thing that we used in the beginning that makes him cool it's almost like if you were to make an equalizer movie and he doesn't look at look at his watch and then pick everything out of the environment to kill them all in like under 30 seconds, right? You'd be like, we're missing the mark here. And I think with him, that thing, that's so special. And it would have made that callback at the end with his daughter when she's like, okay, so if the bullet goes down here, then it's like blah, blah, blah. She's talking in bullets with the hypotenuse. It would have hit a lot harder. But really all we all we saw was them using like guns a lot even they did kind of the same thing with crock though too

Starting point is 00:13:47 crock in the beginning his first kill he bit the neck it was a very quick you'd have to rewind and look at it again but i caught it he's biting and i was like oh that works for a crock he never did that again so i'm not sure um why they didn't build that back up with the characters but i still thought that they were all they're all cool so that's my answer for that that's a great point I mean, I've only seen the film twice, but I did not think about that at all. But you definitely bring up an interesting point there. But I also thought, too, you know, they brought that whole thing with the guard. Who's like, you know, erased my browser history or whatever.

Starting point is 00:14:25 And Floyd or Deadshot, he said to him earlier, he's like, you know, one day I'm going to be out of here and I'm going to, like, hurt you bad or whatever he said. Yeah, we don't get any of any of that. I thought that was setting up a foreshadowing of him possibly like. actually doing something like that didn't go anywhere okay nope cool interesting all right sci-fi extremist what were your thoughts on the overall mission i was very excited for the film when i saw

Starting point is 00:14:53 trailers and i love the first 30 to 40 minutes of this film i agree but the idea of sending a bunch of non-powered people to fight a cgi which demon thing was a major letdown when i think of what the squad is used for i think the suicide squad movie did the best job but that's just me yeah um i again i didn't find it very interesting at all and it's been a while since i i think i've only seen the suicide squad that's james guns film that came on in 2021 i believe i've seen that movie one time and i remember loving it and that is a crazy level villain as

Starting point is 00:15:33 well i don't remember like power level wise if it's more than in whatever the case but I just think again, you know, just repeating what I said earlier, I just think story-wise, character-wise, it just would have been like, I just would have been like more gravitating towards if you did. I'm not saying it had to been the Joker. It could have been whoever. I just think Enchantress just, I just think there were better options out there, especially with what this squad can do and how they operate within each other.

Starting point is 00:16:04 And, you know, doing the whole Amanda Waller, I was like, I did remember that. I'm not going to lie. I did remember that. And I was kind of waiting for Tara to see, oh, they're getting Amanda Waller. And there was no reaction from Tara, which is like, okay,

Starting point is 00:16:19 I had that same reaction as Tara the first time I saw. I was like, nothing from me. I'm like, that's not, like, they were trying to have some big grand twist that they were like, that she was the one they were coming after. And it just fell flat to me in regards to, you know, Amanda being the target that they're coming after.

Starting point is 00:16:37 So I don't know. the i think they again there's writing is very hard you know i'm not i'm not trying to put down air or whatever studio meddling happened when it comes to this film so i just think there were a lot better options that they could have done i mean because the first 30 40 minutes again there's a lot of expo dump a lot of introductions of characters in this ensemble so i definitely think like overall mission could have been a lot better what about you um yeah i think that's why towards the end of the, like, middle to end of the film, Syfax Dream is why I was saying there's a problem with the pacing.

Starting point is 00:17:14 And that just means to me when you can feel the time in a movie, but it's never a good thing. I agree with you that the first 30 to 45 minutes, I was totally sold and kind of in my head going, I wonder why Andrew didn't like this. And then it started to slow down. And especially when they, when they, they get out

Starting point is 00:17:35 like they think Harley is dead they're sort of fighting against Amanda but then they find her again there's like two times where they kind of come back together as a group and they're like all right we're going to do this now and we're like on we're like going but like

Starting point is 00:17:52 the pace of it didn't pick up it's not we didn't feel like hell yeah we're on a freaking mission now it just sort of was like and here we go kicking the music again that's why I said it feels like a copy and pace. Like if you watched a good movie with a good storytelling,

Starting point is 00:18:10 these things would happen, but the audience would feel it versus this. The audience feels a lack thereof because of the foundation they built. It wasn't enough for what they were aiming for. And there's a lot of characters. And again, I've said to put heart into it and to make us care, you don't need 10 minutes on. each character. A Pixar movie can do it in two minutes, and you're like, I freaking care. So

Starting point is 00:18:39 I'm not saying that it would take up a lot of extra time, but that is why one of you said right before, you're like, the most endearing character to me was El Diablo. And I'm like, yeah, why? Because they took two minutes on that story, and they gave you the heart of that. And now we understand him more. And so when he sacrifices himself, even though I still don't think it was enough. I think we should have felt a little bit more, but it is true. When he goes to sacrifice himself, you're like, I get it. Of course, redemption. Helled his wife, his kids, right? There's a whole story there and it makes you feel for him. And you're like, okay, I get it. I'm there. For the rest of it, you're not, it's kind of like, ah, they didn't finish it. It's like, it felt

Starting point is 00:19:26 unfinished to me. The theme of found family, like, I do. like a lot. Yeah, but it wasn't a family. But it didn't feel like it. And again, I do agree with you with El Diablo. Like, it makes sense why he would do this, this whole redemption arc for him and everything we saw from his tragic backstory. Makes total sense. But that line, and again, I like the line a lot. I already lost one family. I'm not going to lose another one. I'm like, it's a great line. It's a great line. But I don't feel that in any way from what we have seen that has led to this point in the four, five, or six

Starting point is 00:20:00 hours you have spent with these individuals you guys do at least from our perspective you do not feel like a family at all no i mean i'll give you one example if you think about toy story when they're like toy story have you seen toy story okay think of this line toy story where they're all think they're gonna die and they're like i i i already lost one family i don't want to lose another guarantee you you'd be sobbing because that line would make sense because they set the foundation and we care so when good writing is there just like, I mean, I wrote down, Amanda says, I am your consequence. That's a badass line. But unfortunately, you know, it's a little lost in a movie that I think somewhere along the way in the later part of the movie, we lost that really good pacing.

Starting point is 00:20:48 And I feel bad because I do agree that the beginning of this movie, I was like, let's freaking go. And that doesn't, that's not me saying that I didn't enjoy it. I still liked it. I did feel a little bit more of the time, which you don't want to. Yeah, there were definitely certain points in the second half. I agree with you that it kind of dragged in. You could feel it. Totally agree.

Starting point is 00:21:10 It's why pacing is so important. Thank you for the question. All right, from Kev B. Did you know the version of Suicide Squad you just saw was kind of like a movie Frankenstein stitched together from a bunch of totally different edits with even the folks who made the trailers jumping into the editing room. With all that creative chaos, did the final, excuse me, did the final film feel like a wild ride or just a beautiful mess? If you could watch one of the other versions, which scenes or surprises are you secretly hoping made the cut? I mean, I don't know what scenes or surprises I would

Starting point is 00:21:48 secretly hope. Again, I know David Eyre has, because I do follow him on Twitter or X, whatever it's called. So, but I apologize for going off. I didn't answer the first part of your question there kev i did know that uh the film was had studio meddling and was stitched just because again i do follow david air so just answering that yes i would let again i'd be intrigued and interested to watch at least one time even though i'm not a fan of this film i would like to see what air is talking about because he has spoke at nauseam about like this is a very different film than what he wanted i forgot the he used like two words to describe what he was going for originally and I remember this is not at all hit so I definitely would be in regards to like what

Starting point is 00:22:34 scenes or surprises what I hope made the cut I definitely would like to see more Joker scenes because I again this is my least favorite version of Joker and but at the same point I don't feel like we for the reasons I said earlier but also I didn't feel like we got a lot of time with him or that and I hate the fact that because you guys got to remember Batman the animated show series is one of my favorite cartoon it is my favorite cartoon of all time the episode mad love is probably one of my top five episodes ever and that is as many of you know if terror if you don't it shows the backstory of the relationship of harley quinn and joker and for to see it i remember in theaters like clenching my fist

Starting point is 00:23:17 to see it in a in a montage in 20 seconds long i'm like god that made me so upset because we got a full backstory within 20, 25 minutes or so in an episode, and to see how Joker emotionally manipulates this woman, but their relationship is so diabolical and so fascinating to watch on

Starting point is 00:23:40 screen, like, oh, remember, like, I would have I would love to see a movie just about, like, their, you know, that episode, Mad Love and that comic, so again, if air ever comes out with the cut, I'll be the first to watch. What about you? Dude, Kev, I

Starting point is 00:23:56 did not know that, which is you could tell by the chook look on my face, mouth agape for a good one minute because I now I'm like, yo, answering all these questions before brings me to my freaking point. It is a beautiful mess. I was saying they lost their mark. They lost it towards the end of the movie. I would not be surprised if the beginning solid. It's good. And then, I don't know, upstairs goes like, well, we don't have enough of them talking or looking at each other to say, well, are we all together again? Are we going to go do this? Or the exposition part, like, where he runs out and he throws the, he throws the, he's like, tell him. Deadshot throws the binder at Flag.

Starting point is 00:24:53 And he's like, tell him why we're here. And then they all end up in the bar. And it's like basically we're trying to tell our slab stories, a little more background. We find out more about Diablo. But obviously, I think that there are many scenes in this that I was like, why is this taking so long? Like I thought based on the beginning of the movie that,

Starting point is 00:25:18 remember when he's loading, when Will Smith is loading his gun and he's like, the editing in that was, really great and it was fast pace kind of reminding me of that one director the name will come to me in a second you guys know who i'm talking about um but then we get to the latter part of the movie and i'm like this is weird what happened the pacing is off and there's still some fun shots but it's more turned into for me a tv movie and what are the execs know how to do probably make a tv movie at best. Right. So if they're getting involved and they think you need more exposition for the audience, they're never going to want to treat the audience like they're smart. I honestly feel like BBC and

Starting point is 00:26:07 HBO are the only ones who's like they have executives that are like, no, it's fine. You don't have to tell them that. Let them rewatch it if they're not paying attention. And I feel like now that I know that, yeah, it is a beautiful mess. I feel bad for David. If executive, got involved um it is weird though for me to see the the two Snyder as producers but then there was also of course it's a feature film eight other producers and who knows who else got involved so i guess we'll see i think what happened and again you guys correct me if i'm wrong i believe what happened was batman v superman was released before this film and a lot of the i don't remember if it made the money they wanted it.

Starting point is 00:26:55 I don't think it did, but also the critical reception was not what they were hoping for. And that was a very dark and gritty tone. And that I think was the original concept for this film. And as they were in like filming or post-production, they're like, nope, we got to change this around

Starting point is 00:27:11 right now. And they were kind of going for more of a Guardians of the Galaxy vibe, I think is what they, is, I think that's what happened from my recollection. I remember what I said before we even got to this? Copy and paste. I told you yeah anyways thanks for the question all right j rushden okay some question what is the film what is the film was positive for me it's the music used that is exactly what he wrote yeah i think

Starting point is 00:27:39 what in the film was positive for jay was the music i mean i definitely liked a lot of the songs and then we kind of joked era where i'm like this movie must have cost a lot with licensing with all the songs they were playing. I will say like they were just like needle drop after needle drop. I'm like I personally like I as much as I love regular songs I just personally gravitate towards score music as well and I think it really pulls you in emotionally as well though you know regular songs can be symbolic to what's happening on screen it tells a story as well. So I would have kind of liked a little more balance and just like a little bit less songs, a little more score but that's just a me thing. In regards to what

Starting point is 00:28:23 what I thought was positive. I think just like we said earlier, I really liked what they were doing with Diablo. I liked Margot Robbie's performance. I thought she did a good job, you know, playing that trickster and just seeing like that messed up relationship that her and the Joker have, even though we didn't get a ton of backstory, but because I personally know it, I could see it from her, you know, perspective. I understood that. And I thought Will Smith did a good job. I was cool. I thought the action was fine. You know, it was nothing like special, but I thought it was serviceable, it was fine.

Starting point is 00:28:59 Yeah, I think that's not a ton more I can think of. What about you? Do you have some positive? I think the positive part was really Amanda's writing. Okay, I would agree. The way that they wrote Amanda, they did a really good job with that. She had a lot of really good, like, kicker lines. Also, her shooting those people in the office.

Starting point is 00:29:21 great move we're showing how savage she is um i also think that you know they could have written her where it's like she shows up right there at the end and they're like oh it's you she's like 10 years off your prison sentences they could have written it where like she's like all right thanks your help like here you get you get to go free um but i'm glad they they wrote her in a really great way so i would say good job on amanda i i didn't have any problems though with any of the actors i was like yeah they did they did some solid work i think the best writing though specifically for a character and the positive end is amanda i agree i do love how ruthless she was i think biola davis like she really has this incredible presence especially amongst an entire ensemble like that i will disagree

Starting point is 00:30:14 on one thing you said i i just did not like charred leto and i've watched this film now three times I just don't like his performance in this movie. I know he's barely in the film, so it's hard to judge someone, but even in the 7, 8, 9, 10 minutes of screen time, I do not like his joker at all for the reasons I've said earlier. So leave it at that. Thank you for the question. Appreciate it.

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Starting point is 00:32:27 rejects or you can just type huel.com slash rejects i don't know why i haven't been saying that this whole time i'm all about efficiency that's the most efficient way anyway feel smart feel good thanks to hugh for sponsoring this video all right from jeremiah for me personally i made the cardinal sin i expected my my own made-up results prior to watching. I was not excited for this movie just based on casting and previews. I had not seen Hancock yet, like that movie, and thought Will Smith, you have to be kidding me.

Starting point is 00:33:04 And the coming attraction snippets of Leto's Joker had me cringing. Turned out, they were for me by far the best parts of the movie and thoroughly enjoyed them. I kind of wish we got to see more of Leto as the Joker in more films. I really enjoyed his handling of the character and wish we got more of both of them on screen than what we ended up with overall. I don't love and barely kind of like this film,

Starting point is 00:33:27 but we have grown up to be happy with liking parts of these films as it's all part of the lore of these characters. Curious, if anything from this film surprised you in a similar way or was above and beyond what you expected and that you want to see moving forward in this world. Excited for Suicide Squad 2, I think the Suicide Squad reaction. You guys are the best, so thankful for the content. I appreciate that Jeremiah

Starting point is 00:33:52 Oh yeah Well I thought you were gonna go Yeah we all know how he feels about Jared Lotto I actually I didn't I didn't mind his joker I like Jared Lotto as an actor I think he makes Interesting choices in this I'm also not the person who's like

Starting point is 00:34:12 Overly attached the comic book And how it's written and maybe how the Joker would move even though like I love the dark night and love um what's his nuts he fledger thank you he fledger's like phenomenal but like again that is in for me a perfect movie like i love that film now we're throwing jared leto in doesn't have a lot of lines there's nothing that sticks out to me there's like some laughing and then he's like do you love me enough right he has the physicality there, there's not enough writing for, there's just, there's not enough. So I do agree with you, Jeremiah, that seeing more of him, if they would have worked it

Starting point is 00:35:00 into the story for it to make sense, would have been great. And maybe when he comes to save Harley Quinn at the end, and I see, I'm like, oh, it's the Joker. I'm like, I think I should be feeling more here, but he was barely in the film. Like, he just sort of like thrown in there, right? So I think if we had built that up a little bit more, would have delivered more of a shocker there. And yeah, I totally think, Will Smith did a great job. I love Deadshot. My only note that I gave before is just they didn't use the algorithm,

Starting point is 00:35:34 the mathematics of his shooting that they showed up that they did and delivered in the beginning. I am with you. I do like Jared Leto a great deal, actually. A Blade Runner, 2049. I thought he was great. I liked him in American Psycho. I know it's been a while since I watched that.

Starting point is 00:35:51 I do think he's a very talented actor. And I actually did like him. We watched Justice League, the Snyder Cut. Go check out that reaction if you haven't. And the one scene he had in there again, not a ton of screen time, but I actually liked him in that scene that we got with him and Ben Affleck.

Starting point is 00:36:06 I thought he was really good. He was dark and sinister. And I actually liked that version of the Joker in that one, in that five-minute run or whatever we got. but in terms of a character I was not excited for coming into this and surprise me I would agree with oh well I don't know

Starting point is 00:36:22 I don't know if you were looking forward to but I'm just going to agree with you on that that would be Will Smith Jeremiah I was not I love Will Smith but I was not looking forward to him being in this movie just because I when I think of Will Smith he is a badass for sure

Starting point is 00:36:39 but like seeing him as a stoic hardened character I just like usually think of him as a charming, charismatic, you know, badass in that way. And usually I don't see him as, like, a stoic, hardened character. So I wasn't sure if I was going to like him as, like, because that's essentially a lot of what did, got to keep saying terrible, what Deadshot is. And I thought for the most part, and again,

Starting point is 00:37:03 the emotional weight that we feel with the backstory between him and his daughter, like, I thought that was great. And I really do agree with Terran. And I really hadn't thought about it until Tara mentioned it. I wish they would have gone more into the minutia's of how he does the angles on his shots and all that. Like there was a lot of stuff here they could have done with because that one scene we got was really badass. So they could have had a lot of fun doing stuff like that with his character. So I agree.

Starting point is 00:37:30 All right, Malik, hey, Tara and Andrew, I wanted to hear your thoughts in Margot Robbie's portrayal of Harley. For me, she's one of the few standouts in this movie aside from Viola Davis as Amanda Waller. I do wish that they paired this version of Harley with a better joker. I really tried to like Leto's portrayal and eventually never landed for me as time went on. I did enjoy the ace chemical bath scene, but that was really the only memorable scene with him and Margot together. I do agree. I mean, I really went into it. I loved her performance in the film.

Starting point is 00:38:04 I thought she was great. I just don't think, I just don't know what you're supposed to do with Harley against Enchantress and all these other. soldiers that she has that bullets don't seem to do well i guess bullets did did work against them but still i just feel like her character just in the story wise was not really uh essential to the plot but her performance was great she really did stand out uh she brings a lot of gravitas to the role and she's got and she's very she's very endearing and charming even in a devilish kind of way and there were a lot of funny lines and i think she brings more of that into birds of prey and you do it i think it was interesting like for tara because we went from birds of prey to

Starting point is 00:38:48 this so i'm kind of curious how what your take of seeing the character from that to that because i think most of us went from this to birds of prey so what did you think of her performance yeah it was great i'm not surprised why she got the spinoff right and other people didn't um so uh there's a definite reason there i mean especially from the the top you can tell that her performance sort of flies off the screen, right? When she flips around and she goes up to the bars, she's like licking the bars, trying to be like to get him to come into the cell, et cetera.

Starting point is 00:39:22 We really set that up. Like right from the top, you're like, hell yeah. Okay, I'm loving this. Like, she's cuckoo bananas. It's great. So I do love her portrayal of Harley, for sure. And I didn't dislike her with Jared Leto. I see that there is a lot of, like, it ebbs and flows with people.

Starting point is 00:39:46 Some of y'all hate Jared Leto or you like him. And for me, I didn't dislike him, really at all. But again, he's not really in this movie. They didn't give me enough time for me to actually dislike him. all he he just like looks like the joker he has a tattoo thing he says a few lines like the joker kind of laughs cool um i mean i will say i love walkine phoenix as a joker he's great he's great like that movie is one of the top movies the top of my list right and like heath ledger of dark night that's one of my top of my list movies so if you guys are

Starting point is 00:40:35 coming into it with like that the thought of that but i'm not comparing it to other films i'm going those are my top films this is not going to be one of them but i'm also not really coming for leto because we didn't give him enough room to play yeah have you seen the michael keaton batman with jack nicholson or no yeah he's great okay oh you didn't mention him that's why i was just asking you mean jack niggleston is the joker oh yeah he's great but i love heath and wakene better like those movies are my movies fair fair deal And, yeah, okay, cool. I would also say, too, in regards to the tattoos, like, I mean, there are comic book versions terror where Joker does have tattoos.

Starting point is 00:41:14 So I didn't have a problem with that. It's just some of them were really in your face. Like, one of them said damaged on his forehead. Like, I don't know. And then, I don't know, it just kind of, his performance just felt forced like he was trying to be cool and edgy and scary. And, like, whereas, like, Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix and Jack Nicholson, like, they were just scared. without having to try and be scary. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:38 That's just how I feel. Again, no disrespect to Jared Latter. He's much more talented actor than I could ever dream of. Okay, from apologies if I mispronounce the name. Maui, you, thank you for being a royal reject and for the question. Director David Eyre has said, what was cut out of the film by the executives? For example, the original cut, which was shot,

Starting point is 00:42:02 had Joker manipulating Monster Tea, commons character into taking his own life instead of joker shooting at him did you both enjoy this MTV cutoff of the film or but you would also be interested in watching david's original dark guy i mean i've already mentioned that several times i would love to watch david air's original cut or release the air cut whatever you want to say so what about you give me the darker cut if he literally is sitting there and convincing him to a unalive himself that that's the juice right there that's how he would move and that is how we get attached to a character like that yeah because they move so fiercely and so savagely that you're like

Starting point is 00:42:51 oh god which is why i brought up before that i think the best writing in this that maybe the executives didn't mess with but maybe she was just written really well from the beginning is Amanda, right? We still saw that savageness displayed with her. Could have been more savage. If it gets more dark with her, I'm in. I think that this movie should have been dark and maybe cut down a little bit. I don't know what they did moving scenes around or why. They felt like they were letting stuff breathe as if we had an emotional attachment to them. Agreed. And we didn't. And it didn't need to breathe where this movie was at was cut out a good 40 minutes and people will be like bravo this was fun i don't know what the executives wanted or what they did but give me the darker one sign me up

Starting point is 00:43:45 for that all day long yeah the editing was weird in this movie you can tell again there's a lot of studio it it really is truly intriguing fair when you watch a film and you can tell like a director got his vision done and again i get it it's a studio at the end of the day it's their money but it's it's intriguing when you see like a movie where a director got his vision and and then another film like a schneider cut for instance and then another film where there's clearly a lot of studio meddling so all right you got the last one here's grade junior do you like katana as a character i thought she needed more a screen time i did like katana but i agree she definitely needed more screen time again this i know terra really liked the first 30 or 40 minutes

Starting point is 00:44:30 and I'm not disagreeing with her. There were moments in the first 30 or 40 minutes I really liked. But just moments like, this is Katana, she traps the souls. And I'm like, it's just like forced exposition on me. I'm like, I want to see it happen. Stop telling me stuff like that. You know what I mean? And like her talking to the sword later on could have been that reveal instead of actually saying it to the audience like that.

Starting point is 00:44:54 Like, and then we could have been like, wait, why is she talking to her sword like that? Yeah, because they told us again. Yeah, instead of, yeah, they did, exactly. And seeing her talk to the sword and such an emotional way, I'm like, why is she talking to the sword like that? And then you finally realize, oh, my God, her husband's, the soul is tri. Holy shit. And she's been cutting others.

Starting point is 00:45:16 Wow, what a reveal. Nope. First 10 seconds, she cuts the souls. I'm like, oh, man, why'd you tell us that right away? But yeah, I would have definitely liked to spend more screen time. What about you? Yeah, I liked Katana a lot, which is why I brought her up earlier. The thing they did, they made a couple of weird moves here.

Starting point is 00:45:35 With the way that she brings out her sword, there was two times where I believe they put it in there as almost a comedic like punchline, where it went butump up and then it's like, shh, like it wasn't serious. Then there was other times where it was. And I was like, badass. Let's go, Katana. I think the coolest thing was when she splits the freaking body in half. That's what I want to see. When there's a girl who's named Katana and she's a sword fighter, let's go. I do agree that I wanted to see more screen time with her, but I'm, I don't, I didn't like if they add in with her that she could possibly with the sword or any of it.

Starting point is 00:46:21 And I could be wrong, but I guarantee you there's one spot. Rewind it and prove me wrong that they're not trying to use this. as a punchline. I don't remember exactly where it was, but I was like, that was weird. Probably an executive was like, it'll be funny if we got pulling out to sword. What I think with Katana is that

Starting point is 00:46:39 she's a badass, she takes care of business and I think treat it like that. And if she's treated like that through the entire script, people are going to be like, hell yeah, right? Let's see more interesting kills. Like, I thought that a lot when they were just boom, boom, boom, and Harley had

Starting point is 00:46:55 a gun and flag has a gun and they all got AKs and I was like dude the whole point of of having an action scene is that we see all these different characters all that with different abilities killing people differently and they weren't for a very long time katana cut one and half at the beginning I told you crock bit into the neck of a guy he didn't bite anybody after that and I was like that'll be funny if he just bites a crap out of people like a crook um Katana splitting them in half, that was a lot of fun. But again, we're giving Harley a gun, but like we want to see her use her bat. And she had her, you know, the mallet thing.

Starting point is 00:47:35 She was twirling around. We saw her use it like once to bat ahead. But we didn't get as many different kills as we should have in this film, which I do believe would have made the action sequences a lot more palpable. And I think get people to go like, ah, that, that's freaking cool. go here this is a different kill different kill which is why i brought it up that that uh i forget who it was did like cracked a neck and i was like that's cool but again it was a lot of gun gun gun gun gun and not enough differences well that's what i mean when i said that i enjoyed the action i was

Starting point is 00:48:14 talking more about like the stuff earlier on with dead shot and then the fight we got between the brother and el diablo i thought that was pretty cool and then some of the stuff with Katana, but the actual stuff against the army with enchantress, excuse me, her army. I'm like, that just felt very generic and it got to be very repetitive to be quite honest. Like, it was cool

Starting point is 00:48:39 at first, but then it's the same thing over and over and over again, just gun, gun, gun, gun, gun, shoot, shoot, shoot, there was nothing inventive or knew about it, so I do agree with you there. Yep. Yep. Really quickly, and then we'll call it a night. What do you think the film got in Rotten Rotten Tomatoes? from, just start with the critics really quick.

Starting point is 00:49:00 Critics, I'm going to go with 61. Okay. And audiences, I'll go with 70. So you said 61 with the critics. It was 26. Oh, my God. And you said 70 for the audience? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:20 It was 58. Oh, snap. Yeah. Nobody liked this. I wouldn't say nobody liked it. There's some people liked it. Anyways, that was Suicide Squad. I'm not sure yet what we are doing next, Tara, but we shall see.

Starting point is 00:49:35 But be on the lookout for it as it will be dropping when it drops in the next week, most likely. And again, we're getting super close to Superman, which we cannot wait for. We hope you guys are anticipating and excited for that. And we shall see you on the next one. Take care. Be safe. Thank you.

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