The Reel Rejects - Superman Flying Backlash & Tarantino's Controversial Take On The "Death Of Movies!"

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

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And there's also going to be a whole bunch of people way more popular than us. Like the likes of Kevin Smith. Yeah, it's a small-chew, straw hat, goofy. True, true. There's going to be a lot of people there. All of the benefit, everything, the entire thing is a big fundraiser to go towards victims of the wildfires here in LA. It's a cause that we are so happy to be apart because 100% of proceeds are going to be going to them. And on top of that, we get to connect with people and entertain as a way to be able to do something really good that we actually really, really give it shit about. Yeah, I'm really excited to meet people for a great cause.

Yeah, so it's February 22nd. Yep. I'm here at the Preserve, in L.A. There's a link of the description box and pin comment. And then now we'll just throw you into the podcast. Yeah, good luck. It's chaotic. Before filming, I won't go into the conversation, but it was a whole process of like,

why am I taking, because I was taking them personal, and then I'm like, I'm processing hurt, but I'm like, no one's attacking me. I need to stop taking things so personal. It's my anxiety. Anyway, this gets me to think I've been watching, I'm almost done with a show. The show. And I think you've seen it.

I'm almost done with season two. It's called shrinking. Oh, I love that show. Oh, my God. I'm so glad you discovered it. I don't know what, I mean, I love Harrison Ford, and I wanted to watch it. And it seems like the first time Harrison Ford

has given a shit in a very long time. It's also the most himself, I feel like he's been, because in his interviews, when he's not putting a wall up, it's that character. It's like a deconstruction of himself. Yeah. Is what I'm watching there. It's beautiful.

I think it's Jason Siegel's best performance. He's ever done, hands down. And as someone who started going to therapy, I believe, in 2012, is when I started going to therapy. 2012, 2011. I haven't been in last month and a half due to reasons. However, the concept alone of a therapist who takes things into their own hands crossing the line, I love it for a multitude of reasons.

Like, okay, my wife Olivia, she told me she could have a comment. me on this shit. She's like, you always introduce me to my wife, Olivia. It's like, I'm like, what does that mean? She's like, I'm just, I'm just your wife to people's identity. And like, and then I talked about this with my, the person who cuts my hair, because she's engaged. And she's, and I brought that up. She's like, oh, she's like, she wants Olivia my wife? Yeah. And I'm like, oh, yeah, there's, and then apparently this is a thought for, I never even considered it. Anyway, Olivia, my wife. Like, she came in and saw a scene from season two, all first bit of footage. She's like, oh my God, what is this? There's no way I can tolerate

this show. Because she's, because she's, she's, she's like, oh my God, what is this show. because she has such a big psychology background. Sure. And it's just so unethical, right? But so much of my relationship with therapy after being in it for so long when I felt like not many people were going, now what's like the norm and the cool thing to do, especially in L.A. In our circles.

It's still not the norm, I think, in 48 states. In 48 states, yes. But I think I've noticed a lot of people in New York go, but in California online, there's a lot about going to therapy. and I think there's a big, different type of weird part of therapy movement that I am not a fan of. Okay. And that is, we will talk about Super Mad. Oh, is this the show of the show?

I guess we're doing it. Yeah. So the part about it is I feel like there's this weird, almost like proud to have problems, narcissism version of therapy that I am now seeing. Like, oh, they often go, here's what my therapist is saying. here's what my therapist is doing, but not in a way that feels like they're taking action in their own lives. It feels like there's a trap that, and I've heard a talk about this very recent from some neuroscientist, right? Not that this is like the end all, be all for everything about therapy. Again, these are just my own random thoughts that I've been having. Because like,

especially having a month and a half off from therapy, not by choice, but by stuff that happened, I've learned so much more about myself and I've been way more honest with myself and other people because it's kind of like when you take a rest day from the gym and your muscles grow. You need to, I think, balance it. I think that I don't think therapy is bad or good, but if it's a crutch, anything's bad. It can be, that's the thing is a lot of people don't realize

the crutch that it becomes. So when you're looking at his clients who are there, a lot of them seem like they, just, if people haven't seen the show, Jason Segal plays a therapist who takes action to his own hands and he goes too far, like he's literally going out and taking them into public stuff

you're not supposed to do in therapy. Stuff that I'm watching, I'm like, I don't think you should do this, but the idea of it I like because therapy for a lot of people can become a place just to keep revalidating your problems and you kind of just magnet. And sometimes you just go there and you just end up magnifying and reaffirming and reaffirming it versus actually working towards something and progressing and doing action outside of therapy to grow. So the idea of like these patients are actually experiencing

benefits because they're finally taking real action outside of that one hour they're there speaks massive volumes to me. I wasn't therapy for me. I was in therapy for many years without really doing anything and I was that you know and I think that's why it bothers me so much actually now I think about it was because in the first few years when I wasn't therapy it was like all about like I felt like married and identified by my problems and my it's like PTSD shit that I had and now when I watch that show I'm reminded of like oh yeah that the value in taking action and how therapy can often become something where you just show up and all you do is sort of revalidate yourself and it becomes a venting session and not

really a way to progress and grow. So I'm going to push back slightly. Please. Only because because my first time I'm ever talking about it. So I'd like to dive in the pilot. I'd like to unpack it. I would push back only in that. I think anything can be that. And therapy is a net positive if used well, but anything used incorrectly is wrong. And I, and I think specifically of like the spiritual movement in hippies. I have seen people go from being like good burners to bad burners in a hurry. Like if you do anything to woo-woo, you devolve into like total madness. If you do anything to uh anything becoming a crutch is a negative even you can go to the gym too much like you can you can become addicted to anything that your brain thinks is helping so i don't think therapy

is the problem no and i'm not saying you are and i'm not saying you're pausing that i'm saying that the show allows an 11 of reality like any show but i think it normalizes therapy by being absurdist in a way that is so important that's what i also love because it also happens to be a show that is talking about why therapy done properly is important well i'm saying this Harrison Ford is going like, don't do that. And then there are times that Harrison Ford goes like, well, Jimmy, and he breaks his own, like, coat. But I still think that you need to have, the X-Men. You had to have all the black leather suits to get to the fully colored yellow suit and Wolverine.

You need to have the absurdist therapy show in order to normalize it for people that aren't comfortable with it. So I think that you can have something become a crutch, but I still think the positive of the show outweighs the negative by a million times. Oh, absolutely. I mean, when you say the positive show, you mean the positive of therapy? Of therapy and the show. Yes. The show itself being a brand for therapy is, I think, a really good thing. I actually think so, too.

It makes therapy look like kind of fun. Yeah. And it also makes mental health look like something that's as important as physical health, which is not the way most Americans see it. And I like the show demonstrating that therapists are people. Yeah. And ideally, the concept in therapies are not supposed to, the therapist isn't supposed to involve you in their personal life.

Right. Which is like the antithesis of the show, right? Because it's like radical therapy is what they're doing. But I like how mistakes happen along the way. And I do think it does serve the bigger point of showcasing that, yeah, therapy done right can be beneficial. And then there's more ways to develop yourself beyond just. That's the other thing, too. A lot of people think just walking into the session is enough.

Right. And that's what the work is the work. You don't go to the gym and sit on the bench. And that's why I love about the experimentation of the show is sometimes it does show like, hey, sometimes these experiments do pay off. Because there's so much more you do beyond just sitting down and reaffirming the same shit you've been reaffirming. I'm talking about people who've like been going for a long time and nothing's changed. I'm not talking about the first per, like if it's your first year or something like that.

I absolutely believe in therapy. I love therapy. I'm talking more to the people who have been there for a very long time and not much has really changed. And then you see this other development. It's like, you know, if you have a, and sometimes not the therapist, it's like if you have a personal fitness coach, and you're not getting any results. You can plateau with one style and you need to change and do another form. Yeah.

Yeah. So I agree with that assessment of it. I think the show is fantastic. And I think that like it is such a great gateway for people. Absolutely. And the other part about that it was really getting me aware of stupid Apple Watch. I hate this. So the thing was getting me aware of.

Not an Apple ad. Is, no, definitely not. Is that when it comes to friendships, and I was talking to you about this a little bit beforehand. And the importance of friendships, I like how, as the show evolved, it becomes more, it's like, oh, the ensemble is a group of friends, you know, like any great TV show. And neighbors, I love the neighborly aspect of it.

Yes, a thousand percent. And I've had some, like, recent life things happen to me that have really caused me to have, like, a reevaluate. That's what I mean, the show's got to me to, like, reflect a lot. So in a weird way, it's like a therapeutic show for a show is about therapy, right? I think it's very effective. My paranoia is kicking in that I'm sounding like I'm anti-therapy when I'm like, I'm the furthest thing from it. I've been one of the main, I've been therapy, like John and I have probably been in therapy longer than most people who have been at the channel.

But it's my big, I'm not justifying the shit. All right. That's my opinion. So, all right. There's your stance. God damn. We like shrinking. Yeah, we like shrinking.

And, um, okay, here's the part. You know what? I just popped in my head why I was like the part about that I don't like in L.A. culture specifically is there seems to be this judgment now that could seem like such a norm to go to therapy. that I've noticed, at least this is the feeling I get. I don't want to say it like an absolute. It's a feeling I get that there seems to be kind of a judgment towards people who are not going to therapy. But they're like, oh, this person needs therapy.

Like when you're around people who are in therapy and then they're not that one person who's never gone or doesn't want to give it a shot, they feel like it's a must that you need to go. I think you discovered New York this year, Greg. I think you realized that L.A. I love L.A. But when you see what other cities do sustainably, you realize that nowhere is perfect. And I think you've only had exposure to L.A. So now you're seeing all the flaws because you've actually, you've had. Yeah, I really like this state.

But like you didn't have anything to compare it to. So now everything is a little bit more highlighted. So like I think L.A. is obviously very narcissistic and very judgmental. And I think that that is exhausting when you can compare it to other things. Well, see, what we're talking about, I know I'm just randomly talking about therapy. What I'm talking about right now is it's the first time I'm having this conversation. I'm learning in this moment with you, you know? About what?

Of everything I'm saying. Like, this is the first time I'm, like, confronting these thoughts. Oh, yeah, yeah. That I just kind of happened to myself when I'm watching shrinking, but I'm not, like, dissecting it. Sure. I'm not unpacking where it's coming from or where my biases from it. And I think that way to realize, like, oh, I am not,

I am a person who wants to progress and grow and hear someone else's opinion and go, oh, maybe he's right. Maybe I didn't, I didn't consider that. I don't want to be someone who comes on camera and is like, I know everything. and here, I'm going to speak in, and like, I'm, I am the expert. I am the person of knowledge. I think that was the, the, but I'm saying therapy taught me to be that way. I agree. But I also think that that was the thesis. When you called me about doing a show where it was long form and you and I talking and movie news was like the, the undercurrent and the top was

long form conversation. Yes. That was the draw to me because it involved like a dialogue versus a pair of monologues. So I think anytime there's a dialogue, I'm more interested in that subject banner, whether it's about art, whether it's about government. whether it's about, like, I think dialogue is the only thing that interests me in anything going forward. I think that's why I do interviews like I do. I think that's why I got rid of a lot of friends. I think that's why I, like, don't really have a lot of patience for most people on the internet, because everyone's, not everyone, a lot of people just monologue at each other. And that doesn't interest me at all. Yeah. So the idea of receiving data and then giving the filter of your life

experience and bringing it back is what I want to do with movie news, which is what we discussed here. But I think that is a very cousin of therapy approach. Like it needs to be externalized and then you can process it. Yeah. Which is the whole point of shrinking. I totally agree with you. I think dialogue is the most important aspect. And dialogue is where you actually learn something because you don't realize a lot of the time.

As I was saying stuff that I was like, you know what's wrong with the world about therapy? And then as I was talking, I was like, oh, wait, there's actual biases that I have and now I know why they're there. and that was affecting my opinion and my aggression. Yeah, it's a mirror. Exactly. You need that mirror to see it. But unless people are willing to be honest

and have the talk, they might not even get to that point. You won't see the mustard on your lip to you look, man. So you have to get the thoughts out of your head so you can see the mustard. Yeah, so I'm like, I don't really know what I'm talking about. I don't really know if there's any truth to what I said.

I'm like, this is just what I really feel when I'm around like therapy culture right now. I agree it is self-serving at times and I think that L.A. kind of, everything in L.A. is kind of a mirror and a magnetizer magnifying glass like everything gets bigger so i think you're feeling a different hostility towards it because of the type of people yeah yeah also la is like literally just not on fire right now it's like everything feels a little tense everything's a little on edge and i'm saying not go to

therapy yeah now's not the time you lost your home talk about but that's that's the thing is i think that there's an edginess to the year and and to the to the the world we're in right now that's a lot and I think that is subconsciously affecting all of us. Like, I've never been this bone tired, I think, in my whole life. And it's not something I've fixed with sleep. It's not something I can fix with diet. I've tried. It's not something I'm fixed with it.

I'm just, the world's a lot. But dialogue solves some of that too. It does. It gets you on a path at least. Yeah. Because I think a big part of the therapy talk is so much people reserve that only for their therapist. And that's your choice.

So if you only, like, there's some stuff. I'm like, I'm only going to say those and they're like, don't remember, I am that person too. But if you're able to take that out into the real world and how. these vulnerable conversations like this is a version of vulnerability but we have a camera pointer to us I think I was fairly vulnerable in that interview we did which led to this conversation to do this show and I think that the moments and we've talked about this the moments that connected to people that like people shared and stuff were the

vulnerable moments which is way more interesting than me than I will always be happy to share like what panel of Spider-Man means a lot to me but it's also nice to share the emotional impact of Spider-Man yeah and I'm packing the emotional side at least it's a It's all going to come from our point of views, right? Mm-hmm. I want to know, I was going to talk about friendship, but we should talk about the actual thing that people showed up here for.

Maybe. Shrieking a show. It qualifies as entertainment industry. Well, people like it. Yeah, because this conversation, I'm like, oh, we could land at a completely different, I could land at a completely different character arc by the end by like an hour point of talking

just about this. Like, oh, yeah, I have a completely different point. We just said the most marketing for an Apple podcast. That's the weird part about camera being online culture, right? Like there used to be a time where when you hit record, when you're on camera, you're like a reporter or something, so you have to be the expert who knows everything. And I don't know in this like weird world where people record themselves all the time.

And they're sharing the part of progress that they're out where I'm like, this thought they're having right now might be a completely different thought. And I hope we make it clear when we're expert to when we're not. Like I really, that valuable to me is like how much our opinion has weight because that's the problem I have with movie news shows. Yes. And that's what I, we are going to be a good movie news show against all odds. Like I have a problem with 95% of movie news shows.

Because it is not an expert talking about anything that's fact. It's someone talking about a rumor and kind of making it clear it's a rumor. And that isn't exciting to me. I think if you go, this is a rumor, let's discuss the possibilities. But even that's not as common. What do you think about? I get a little, I have to clear the air on this a little bit. So you work at DC Studios.

I do want to ask you about the Superman image. Normally I don't give a shit about that stuff. I saw the TV spot on my phone. and I was like hmm that looks weird and I thought about it a little bit more I'm like I guess I do have some thoughts so you want my thoughts

but what I want to I do want to hear your thoughts but how do you feel as someone who now works at DC talking about DC I'm not saying you I have no idea what your opinion is I haven't talked to you about it for one second

but when something comes up do you feel like you have to lean positive all the time like what's your honest thought I don't feel like I have to lean any more positive a DC than I do Marvel or Dark Horse or Boom or I don't feel it's a it's a not independent contract like I mean not not a it is an independent contract it's not exclusive there's a word I'm looking for okay I can talk about anything and like I lean so positive anyway that it's funny that now people are people have called me a shill forever but now they have like a thing to circle it go me but like I've always been positive because I think being negative is pointless I have things I don't like as that one clip that went viral you know I've expressed my thoughts of like I can see something is negative but still point out the positives, but I don't understand, let's use that clip as an example. I don't understand looking at a five second clip and judging a two-hour movie on it. One, I also don't understand looking at something that's intentionally shot in scope to

feel impactful and judging a thing on your phone, too. I also don't understand the need to take something that's inherently fantastical and try to drag it through the mud when the whole point of Superman is Joy, three, and four, I don't understand why there are people that are seeking negativity about a property that is inherently about bringing good to people because of a prerequisite of another character that they're blood, like, there are people that are attached to prior interpretations of this character that are looking for negativity, that it could be the best shot in the world and it wouldn't matter. It could be the worst shot in the world and it wouldn't matter. They're going to say the same thing. So the fact that it's shot in a wide

lens to feel the scope of something and 90% of people are looking at it on their five-inch screen phone, it's going to look different because it's like, do you want to watch an IMAX movie on your Apple Watch? Probably not the move. That is such an inherent weird judgment. And also to have a five-second clip, I wouldn't have personally, and this will be the closest to a negative, I wouldn't have personally showed the front of him flying in something that wasn't in a full-on trailer, because now I've seen it and I was like kind of hoping to have that is a big moment. So the only negative I have is like I would have liked to have saved that for the big screen because I prefer it theatrical I would have been cool to see because we saw him from the back and all the trailer footage It would have been cool to see that like barrel roll top gun moment in a big screen sure

But like to me it doesn't look bad. It just is not the format I would have preferred, but it is an odd thing that we're so aggressively seeking negativity that even something cool to me is already got a deficit before it's even shown People are just like how do we attack it? What was your first reaction when you did see the eyes? on David Kornswet's eyes I thought that it was warped because of the lens and it was an odd choice to put that as the first image

of him but then when I saw it because I saw the still before I saw the video because I literally just saw I thought it was AI I thought it was an AI Photoshop because like the lens is so big

like it's an actual like you can see in severance when they change lenses when he's going down the elevator it warps his face in order to show the difference in reality of the two worlds of the show they literally are using

lenses like that for that shot. So it's inherently, but I thought it was odd to, I saw an image. And then when I saw it in motion, I liked it. But as an image, I was like, I was just disoriented because I was like, what is this out of context? So I didn't really have a thought because I was like, give me more data. And then when I saw it, I was like, cool, top gun. Like, and to me, the music is more top gun than even directly John Williams because it's that I've been thinking a lot about what American exceptionalism is to me. And the last time I felt like rah, rah, rah, America was 80s. And like, I think that in the 80s, the 80s, the, last time we felt it was the 50s and so it's interesting we always have this 30 to 40 not always but

the last two generations of yeah was like 30 or 40 years ago so it's like this inherent nostalgia for a specific time in the past and now that i'm an adult i think of the 80s as being a beautiful time for like american culture and that to me is top gun so it's interesting that a character that is so tied to americana and lore that now that he's modernized he's not going back to 50s americana he's going to 80s americana and we just had a sequel to 80s americana and top gun and now he's flying like that. So it's interesting the cultural impact of tying a character to different Americana

mythology. Because he's an American myth. He's American folklore more than he's anything else. So to me, that shot represents top gun which represents American exceptionalism, which is at times propaganda and at times true. Wow. That's what I think is that five seconds. It's a beautiful

assessment. It's patriotic assessment. I mean, you asked about five seconds. These are my thoughts. But I know that's the. way you actually think. And that's why, like, I don't have time to think of fake shit because I work at a place. Like, a lot of people will chalk up the, I know that's the way you really think about stuff. Whereas a lot of people will be like, Coy's so grandiose. Coy's just such an overhive,

oversell guy. I'm like, I know him, I know him pretty well off camera. This is how this guy weirdly thinks of that. Can I explain that? This feels like the right place to do that. Sure, absolutely. The reason I am so big about the world is because of how negative the real world can be. And I don't see any reason to not see movies as magic and comics as magic and books. There's no, there is actually no reason to not enjoy the fiction that thousands of artists have given us. There is not a single reason to not look at a man flying and be excited. There is not a single reason not to go, what an amazing feeling this gives me. And even if it doesn't, there's no reason to yell that it doesn't. But if it does, there's no reason to make it the biggest thing you feel. Because all it's

going to do is lift your frequency, your vibration, your joy. All it's going to do, whatever or normalized term you want to use, all it's going to do is make your day better. So why not see the world as bright as possible if the real world is as dark as it is? Why not look to the silver lining? Why not appreciate that no one had to give us any of this? And you can be cynical and be like it's business and people are making money, but you could also say that about literally everything that is also negative. If you want to look at the things that are profiting people, you could dive into the insane cesspool that is politics and government and the established. systems. Or you could go, wow, these things that are, we're celebrating the art and mythology and

joy and livelihood of people making things to go to the masses, I never understand why you would choose to look down when you can look up. And that's why I love Superman. Like, that's the, the point of the character. And whenever people get mad at me for being grandiose, I first get mad because I feel like I have to defend myself. And then I feel sad for them because they don't get to be happy. Like they, to the scale that I do. And I'm not always happy. You know me. Like, I have a lot that I'm not happy about. But that's a way that I can balance the things I'm not happy about. Hmm. Like, it's a buoy system. Well, you said something in there that is the reason. I wanted to understand why people were so upset about this image. I got kind of

obsessed with, like, thinking about what, what is it about this? Why, why, why are we fixating on the eyes? Because I saw it and I did think it looked weird. And my mind was like, I'm sure in the context of the movie or when I'm watching him, I'm not going to be that bothered by it. You know, every Superman movie, there's going to be a visual effect moment as like, that's definitely not real. Like every Superman, I can't think of more. Even the wonderful Zach Snyder, even in his visuals, you're like, that's definitely not real sometimes. Sometimes you just have that thought. But why the face, right?

And it hit me when I saw the collage. It was actually a positive post, but people were really fixing it where you saw the collage of all the Superman poses, all the actors, Tom Welling, included Brandon Routh and then and then David corn sweat and then David even when I was looking I was like he does look the fakes out of them all every one of them the close up even that there's the Henry Cavill moment in Man of Steel when he's first flying even one it's one of the posters right it looks real and that was the time where it looked fake now I don't think most people do the whole thing even I didn't even jump to the conclusion it's a lens problem I thought it was a CGI weird eye problem because that's what it looks like when we've seen other weird CGI things

so naturally the mine will go to that's a weird CGI problem because we've seen weird CGI problems look like that before, right? Sure. It's the easiest leap. Yeah, it is the easiest leap and it's an understandable leap that I think people may. Because even in some of the, like I noticed James Gunn replied to people who were not being dicks about it. They were like, this looks great. I think the eyes are a little bit off, but then he would explain to them, not the people attacking. I want to talk about James Gunn a little bit too. Don't let me forget that. But then, but you said the word magic. Yeah. Right. And I was this might be the subconscious reason why people are so, I mean, beyond all the other factors of

there are people like, I agree that already want to go in to hate the goddamn thing just because they want to hate it. And that's the way the world operates. I think the word of the magic was when I see those other images of Superman flying in those stills, it looks like I believe a man can fly. But once I see a CGI, I face problem, I don't believe the magic anymore. And I think that's what people are at a deeper level are probably zeroing in on of their not being sold because everything about that clip is cool right?

He's flying the freaking barrel roll that's an awesome ass shot. But once you see the eyes, you're like, that looks freaking odd and I started to get, I don't agree that you have to be an aggressive vitriolic asshole about the thing. But I'm hoping that

with James Gumma, what he's doing this guy's been up against the goddamn wall since the beginning of getting this shit, right? He's been up against the wall. People want him to fail. Yeah. They want this to tank. And there's even, there is a part of entertainment news out. I don't, there are channels out there, entertainment outlets that you be a goddamn fool to believe that it is not, there's not a reality where they want shit to fail so they can milk some videos out of it. Yeah. They're going to make way more money. The worst things are optically received. Like whether it's true or

not, they want the optics to be bad. And they lie to their audience. A lot of the times they lie and say that, no, we just want a good movie. We just don't want some woke bullshit, whatever the hell they say, right? You know, they say that. When I'm like, I, you mean, your whole channel's based off of milk and drama and shit. I think you want the drama. Like, if actions speak louder than words, I'm looking at your actions right now. It's very evident.

This is what you're doing. So they want this shit to fail. So I'm looking more from the perspective of me where I'm going, I want this to succeed. but I can also acknowledge I thought it looked like a weird ass shot when I saw that damn thing and I wanted to know why people were upset and I hope that James Gunn

doesn't get pushed into an area because you can kind of see it sometimes right or he's just I mean maybe this is something where maybe you made me not ought to speak but I could see sometimes getting pushed in an arena of going like man these fucking people

like he has to fight back right I think I don't want him to I don't want to I want him to finish it off I just don't want him to I think there is a reality where you can't acknowledge that maybe on a big screen, it won't look weird, but it might actually look weird to most people. So maybe adjusting it,

if it does look weird in the theaters, will be okay. Two things. Sure. First, I want to address the weird, and then I'm going to address the gun. I think the weird is he shot a movie not for TikTok, finally.

This movie is shot to look huge. It's not shot in the center of a frame so you can put a little caption over it and you can talk with their floating head, and I'm appreciative. But I remember watching the trailer, and we were front row, and that screen was enormous.

But even when I watched it a second time, at home. It is morphed because of the scope that he chose to do. To me, that feels more like a comic artist decision. Like Frank Whiteley Art, All-Star Superman, is everything is big and oversized and like technical. It's like watching Wizard of Oz. Those colors aren't how the colors were. Everything is pumped up. To me, this is the visual language of doing that. It's pumping up and adding frames that are slightly distorting and making things bigger. So I think the first couple minutes of watching Superman, love it or hate it, is going to be adjusting to the choices made. And I would so much rather

James Gunn keep making choices than making milk toast, middle frame decisions that are good for the media to digest and properly go like, looks good, looks normal. I, like, look at the... But we're talking about a human being's eyes, though. But I think that is a frame taken out of context that will,

like you said, in the movie play. And again, I feel like I'm now in the position of having to defend because of people thinking my association with DC Studios. But if it wasn't DC, and if it wasn't gone, a director I really admire, I would still say perhaps the movie because it's going to be a couple seconds in a thing we're already adjusted to the visual style and aesthetic. If you go frame by frame and pause the movie, I remember

the matrix. I remember thinking the matrix was perfect as a kid. And I still think philosophically and all the wonderful things. But I remember thinking because I was like 11 that there wasn't a single flaw. Like I remember it was actually really hard on me when I discovered IMDB goofs. And I discovered IMDB goofs the category via the matrix. Because I was I was trying to learn every thing I could up at The Matrix because it blew my mind. From 11 to 14, it was like, as close to religion, we've talked about this. And that's why I want to use this as an example. I remember it breaking my heart when I realized you could see a camera in a lens of a reflection

as they reach towards a doorknob. And I remember it breaking my heart because they used like the tie creatively. And I remember it breaking my heart when there's a scene where they hand Neo a phone and the guy leaves and you can see a hand strumming in the wide screen. Oh, really? And they cut it out and all the digital re-release. But in the theatrical cut, you can see someone's hand just in the cubicle. And I remember, like, it was hard for me to go, okay, that's not perfect.

And I think that the culture we live in now, where we freeze frame and we pause, and again, this is why I would have preferred not to see that spin in an out-of-context trailer is, if we're pausing everything and we're looking to scrutinize, where is the magic if I wanted to have the matrix perfect? And then I looked for the flaws, and then it wasn't. If we're doing that before the movie even has a chance to say what it is, how are we ever going to enjoy anything? That's true. I mean, first of all, on the Matrix, there's this one shot in the movie where I noticed when I was younger. Maybe my brother pointed out to me when Neo is like, he's about to die at the train track and he's like, my name is Neo. When he flips backwards, you can see the string. Oh, the wire? You can see a wire.

You clearly see he's holding the wire too. Like his hands are like tentatively grabbing a wire. And imagine if that was a trailer shot And it was in today's culture And you paused on that trailer shot of holding it And then the entire internet's like This movie's gonna suck And then you had six months of people

Thinking of that instead of experiencing the Matrix Wasn't there the one element though But that is the world today That is the game today That the movies doers have to play Doing this show is is trying to counter that And I and I we can't change it But if we can get if we can get a drop in the bucket

Of positivity or if we can get people to realize like To not let it affect you wanting to see it Like it doesn't affect me Thousands of people How many thousands of people Are responsible for creating that moment And people are like Oh no nope

So that's the that's the shot The gun of it all I love that he's hiring directors That are gonna make bold choices Like Craig Gillespie and Supergirl I love that he's hiring people Like James Mangold for Swamp again Like all the choices are

Creative like I don't want everything to look Like one thing So I love that gun himself is going I'm starting this universe I'm hiring all these guys to do them Why not be bold And make something have that scope

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minions are irrelevant to me and I can't imagine how much more he's apathetic because he cares about humanity but if people are attacking you you don't really go like you know it really does suck I mean what you said really spoke a lot of volumes to me about um being able to pause a frame because when I when I imagine like wow what if it was like I remember watching the Matrix Reloaded trailer and the theaters yeah beautiful miracle and and and I'm like if I saw that trailer in the 9 in the 2000s before TikTok and all that for YouTube and I saw the Superman trailer in the theaters I'm like what I have even noticed that or what I've been like wow that looks so cool the magic that you're

And we're losing that every time we do this shit. And I feel like that is where we're at with movies in general. Like I want to talk about that Tarantino thing. I think it's actually, in terms of doing a show, I think it's actually a good segue to that. What did you? Did you look at what he said? I read the whole thing.

Oh, you did? Yeah. I want to find like the main quote of what he. Actually, I think I got it on my phone. He had a few very interesting points that I really enjoyed. The main thing that he said, I took a screenshot of it. Because it did get my, I was, I just want to talk about things that like people pointed out that would be fun to get our, or, or, you know.

juices flow in here. Yeah. Where is it? This is good. Stahl for time. I will say one final thought on the Superman thing while you're looking. I think that losing the magic is what is affecting us, not just in movies, but in life. And I think that it's actually a cumulative problem. I talked, I think, on air, but maybe it was in private. I think we're, we've passed the point where it's land to grab, right? We've, we've passed the point where there's anything more to conquer. And I think the human mind is always trying to conquer and take land and claim and and have owners. And I think that especially when you combine that human instinct with capitalism, you get to a point where it's profiting and ownership. And then I think the human mind is the thing we're attacking now.

But we've already made it through TV and video games. And we've now got to the point where social media is such an addiction that there are moments when we're not on it. We feel like the Twitch of needing it like heroin. And what scares me is now we're inserting ads in between. It used to be like a 30 minute show would have ads and we'd complain about it. But then we get rid of ads. And now you're the product. So they can put you in like TikTok and every 15 seconds you can get an ad and like we're getting to the point where it's like so common that we're just seeing by, by, bye, that it scares me that the amount of stimuli we're getting will never be able to sustain the good chemicals that used to come from it like dopamine and orphans like everything that is positive. When you add that depletion and all the anxiety that's happening in people and depression because we're so overstimulated and then you take away magic. So that's one problem. And then you

add scrutiny and negativity about shit that should be joy because I don't even speak on politics anymore because of how much I just don't believe in any established systems, that's real and already happening and that is real negativity. When you take away the positivity of the magic of movie making and comics and art and you're overstimulated and all your chemicals are gone, we as a society as a culture and as a species won't survive. We need shit. So I'm terrified on a global species scale that we're breaking. And it's only going to get worse. And I don't want to bring kids in a world where you judge magic. It's so, it's so funny how our thoughts are aligned because the thought, I was having similar thoughts. I just didn't have the word magic

in there as the adjective. But everything you're saying, like, yeah, this is a big thought process that I was having before we met up today when I was kind of going over like what we might talk about. to go over what terran the main quote that you know variety puts out to get the clicks and stuff is tarentino saying where was he doing this interview just for variety he literally flew in and dude there's such a sassy line in that about deadline did you did you read it no i didn't so variety has the article but then there's literally a thing where it's like and a bunch of other journalists are there including deadline who claimed this an exclusive and then they wrote a definition of exclusive here and put a hyperlink to the definition of exclusive they like just literally went like ours and it was so

funny. He said, what the fuck is a movie now? Sometimes that plays in theaters for a token release for four. There's only so many F-bombs we can get away with it. Four effing weeks. And by the second week, you can watch it on television. I didn't get into all of this for diminishing returns. I mean, it was bad enough in 97. It was bad enough in 2019. That was the last effing year movies. Where to strange, what he's talking about with movies, he is posing the question like, what is a movie now, right? A lot of people have very different definitions. I think audiences relationships with movies have changed so dramatically. It's a two-screen experience now, not a one.

What do you mean by that? When you're watching a movie. What's a two-screen? Oh, you have the phone out. Yeah. That's why I moved. Okay, so I went to go watch Nospheratu in the theaters, took my wife. Yeah.

And I was like, hey, and my wife's name's Olivia, by the way. That's why I took Olivia. Callback timing, on point. And I took her, and before the movie starred, it was just the trailers. It's like a giant theater. No one was there. It got me scared. They're like, oh, this is what we were talking about.

It's the weekend. There's like, no one here. Giant Theater. And we had a great center seat. But everyone around us, but while the trailers were going, we're so loud. Like, they couldn't hear themselves. And they were on their phones talking over to the trailers a whole time. I'm like, I could just be like, it could just be the trailers.

But I know what it's like today. Yeah. It's going to be like this turn. All in Osferatu. So right before the movie started, we just moved to a different section. And we went way far away from them. We just could feel that we were now the minorities. We cannot say, be quiet because we're the ones who are quiet.

You're the ones seeking the experience. I don't mean in an exaggerated way. We were in the center of a circle of a bunch of random people who just wouldn't shut up. And they were so loud. And so we moved. And there's, so when I'm looking at this lack of appreciation that people have for cinema, I'm looking at this lack of magic that you're talking about. Tarantino's question about, what is a movie now is,

complicated. It's a complex question. We're also an aging demographic, which is interesting. We're also at an interesting point where we're like elder millennials and it's an old man yells at cloud conversation to so many, but also the people that make the art are even older than us. So they're even more attached. But I think it's a single screen experience that's dying. But I think people around us look like they're at least my age or older a lot of the time. It's an Osferatu. It's not like 18 year old kids going on. You know, it's not. How is it like this with like people who are more than likely older than me and this is the new norm right yeah so that's one aspect socialization got fucked in the pandemic the whole point of not having your phone on the whole purpose

of it is to get lost in the movie to get transported to experience like what we've been saying the magic of film yeah and people and are robbing themselves of that and someone might hear me say that and go that's just sounds ridiculous it's just a movie and that's my point now things are just a movie now yeah they're not an experience anymore and that brings me back to my point of live boldly be grandiose see it as magic because if you're spending the dollars worth jack shit if you're spending 20 dollars that's a meal or two depending on where you live in the country why not have the best two hours of your life yeah there's so much that's the weird part about the industry to me especially what tarentine was talking about is you know there was a time

where you used to have to wait like a year for something to come out on yeah hs you have to wait forever. I remember those days of waiting up to a year for something to come out from the theater. So you had to go to the theaters to watch it. And that's what made the theater special. Do you know what's crazy? You just mentioned VHS's the thing that changed the VHS system? Top Gun. Not even kidding. That was the first film that was made to be marketed at a budget that every house could have instead of video rental stores having it. It was the first film that changed the price of VHS's. Didn't mean interrupt. I just thought it was really ironic. Just Top Gun is the theme of today. Sorry, carry on. That's cool. That's really cool.

American. Even when it was DVDs, you know. There was a time where you had to wait forever. And now there's such mass-produced films. There's so many, there's so many movies now made, which in one way is great. Because that means a lot more people can make the thing they wanted to make. A lot more people have opportunities. You can now, you know, that whole thing. You can now make a movie on your iPhone.

You know, like that's a really cool thing to actually do. Yeah. At the same time, there used to be such a specific category for what the experience of a movie is. And now with such a quantity of films, which I said, there's a lot of great things to it. But with the quantity of it, it diminishes specialty. In the experience of when you diminish specialty, it diminishes magic. Yeah.

And the whole point of what people really want, I think, is human beings, we crave connection. We crave connection in some way. Even if it's not to another human, we're craving it in the movie, which, by the way, stars humans, so we're connecting with the humans in the movie. We see ourselves as blank. Exactly. The whole point, like, I think as Martin Scores, you said a while back of, like, it's the ultimate empathy experience. I could not agree more. It is a massive empathy experience. And now I think

just general audiences are so aware that it's just a business now. It is just a product now. I think we're so much more aware of the fact that we're so privy to behind the scene shit. We're so privy to all this stuff that it does take away. So I don't like the doom casting. The Dr. Doomcasting is the first time I felt like it went from being what is the best person for the job to what is the most marketable decision we can make about a character I love. I literally, I consider Marvel's casting some of the best ever. I literally would not have thought of some people. Sometimes it's been like, oh, what if they get?

And then they get them. No matter what across the board, they are like 90%. They're batting 900. It's crazy. But the Dr. Doom announcement was the first time it felt like it was to get the top 15 Instagram video it did. And that hurt because I love that universe and I love Downey and I love Doom. And that is something that I think is affecting our experience of it.

Is that magic feeling lost because of the business. It is a big thing. And also the way how audiences receive movies, right? That phrase that we hear online all the time, like, keep politics out of my movies. We don't want to hear anything political anymore. And my initial thought is, haven't movies always been political in some way? They always have been. Even some of our favorite movies of all time that are overtly political.

If you're doing a war movie, Hacksaw Ridge, Schindler's List, it's a political ass film. I believe Indy fights Nazis. Yes, yeah. It's always been a political element to things. And now we have this thing with audiences where they want to separate it. I think it's because we're more broken. I think that we could handle it being, you know, a little art is going to reflect life. Life has politics because politics is the human experience.

And you're identifying with the political figure is them selling you a reality. Might or might not be true. Usually isn't. But that they understand and connect to you. It's just like connecting an actor. A politician is trying to sell you something except they have power over life instead of power over fiction. So therefore, if something is political, it is. connection to you and therefore if a movie's telling a story about humans, it's going to have

political elements. It can be overt. It can be subtle. But no matter what, the human experience is going to have connection to humans. The problem is, I think, not only do we have more of the behind the scenes on movies, we also have more behind the scenes on politics. I didn't know anything about politics until the internet was like, here's everything. Every day of our life is the West Wing. We used to be able to get off the internet. The newspaper used to come on Sundays. Then it was every day. Then the news was on every day. And then all of a sudden the 24-hour news made it so we couldn't escape the news. Now, we can't escape the news because it literally follows us around. So I think it isn't that movies are more political. I think the world is

more political and we've reached a threshold of not being able to handle it. So we think that when we nostalgically look at movies, nostalgically look back at movies that feels political, we can't remember the first time we watched them if that was applied today. All we can know is that it felt nice to escape. Now nothing feels like an escape because we're living with two screen experiences and we have no happy chemicals left. The part about the, especially with the political aspect. It's weird how political, when you say political, everyone kind of knows what you mean. You mean stuff that is woke and diversity is usually the aspect, the quotation marks. Depends on who you're talking to, but usually when you hear politics, we're not talking

about like the economy and the movies or something, right? Which is crazy. You're talking about political, whatever the word keywords are, the virtue signaling, gender identity, stuff like that is what people just don't want to hear about freedom, human rights, all that shit that people Quality, Greg? People don't want to hear about being equal, right? And I think you have a point because before this kind of echo chamber was happening on the internet, I think shit would just happen in movies and we wouldn't notice and we want to turn into a thing. Like, the hunt for Red October.

Like, it's always been there. Right? And when Return of the King, which I've only seen a couple of times, but Johnny, what's her name? The woman who takes off the mask and she's like, I'm no woman. I'm not a man. I'm a woman or some shit. I'm no man. She's not, I'm a man. That's a line. Aowen. Aowen takes off her mask and is like, she's like, what

the villain's like, what kind of man are you or whatever? And she takes off her, I'm no man. Then kills him. Yeah. Back then, the theater just erupted in applause. And I was there as a kid going, that shit is so cool. Now you do that. Mary Sue. They're pushing their goddamn agendas down our throat.

Yeah, dude. It could be the exact. It could be the exact same movie, the exact same scene. You couldn't make a Joan of Arc movie today. No, probably not. She really did some stuff, but it's a propaganda machine. But why is that, though? Like, sometimes I do get it.

I get if, like, you know, Anthony Mackey wants to take a break at the end of Falcon and Winter Soldier and be like, let me tell you about some liberal point of view. Like, I understand. That's a bit, like, annoyed. I didn't love Clint Eastwood arguing with a chair. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, there is a line where you want to connect to the artist, not the artist's opinions. It wants to be told through the story, but now it just seems like even if it's within this story, it's a problem for some reason.

I think it's an overflowing cup. I think we just have too many opinions and we know too much of everything. Yeah. So I think, and I also think that we feel on either side of the political aisle, and this is going to lose me a lot of, I'm not even ready for these comments, but this whole podcast is going to lose us a lot of people. I'm still glad we're growing the channel negatively. I think that extremists on both sides, which I do believe exist on both. sides and both parties like to think there aren't extremes on their side but I think on both sides have made it so there isn't a conversation to be had. There is only an ideological war versus an actual conversation. And I think that when you leap to an extreme on either side, it shuts off any ability to see nuance. And so when it feels as big as a movie or as big as a show and there is something you aggressively disagree with, you lump it into the aggressive ideology instead

of the nuanced way. Oh, because I guarantee you. This conversation, this subject is about the thing Tarantino, the question he was posing. Yeah. And I guarantee, I mean, maybe I'm wrong. I could be 100% wrong. I guarantee you it could be completely wrong. My hunch is that if under those channels we were talking about earlier saw this quote, they'd be like, I have an answer for you what movies are. There are a bunch of woke agendas that are shoving down Arthur. Like probably some videos right now. There's probably some videos right now. Like, that's all they're doing. And that's the problem with industry and they'll get clicks yeah that video would feed a lot of people and i also that's actually this is a really good point i just felt i also think those people feel marginalized and want something

to raw rave i think everyone feels defeated i think everyone feels like they're beaten down and therefore if there's something that they could have an oppressor at it makes them feel like i'm doing something i'm yelling and and i don't want anyone to feel oppressed but when you do you make angry content as an retaliation. And so the more you feel oppressed and the more you find like-minded people and the more those like-minded people start to go, I agree, this is a mob. And so I think there's also a distortion in the reality of how much we're hearing about identity politics from very loud contingents in it. Because it's a mom. I agree. It's a really good point. I just hate the hurt that evolves from it, honestly. That's the part that really bugs me because the internet's a weird

thing where the whole purpose, I don't know what the whole purpose is, but a big part of it is, hey, social media, a way for more people to be connected, yet people feel more disconnected than ever. So then you get these like loneliness camps, which is like, how ironic, a massive group of people who feel lonely? Like, don't you realize the oxymoron here? So when this happens, no one online's really getting hurt. The people who get hurt are the ones who end up because, the simple example is if there's a bunch of hate comments about Greg and people are defending Greg in the comments. They're not getting hurt the defenders or something. People have a different point of view about me or not getting hurt. I'm the one who probably is the one who stands

a chance of getting hurt. So when this kind of shit's happening, it's like everyone could be like it's all they want or be defenders. But the ones, there are those individuals who do get hurt. And I think this is coming to a totally different subject about cyberbullying now and everything. But I think it's all connected. And I also think that it's really unhealthy to, and I've been guilty of it. And I'm trying to grow out of it. And I'm trying to read and learn. and understand as much as they can, but I think herd mentality is so dangerous. And I think that people leap to conclusions

when they see something in a movie because they want to connect to it and then they get extra offended when they're not. And maybe that also ties into the Superman thing. Maybe some of those people wanted to be like, oh my God! And instead they were like, that looks weird to me. And I didn't because I was like,

oh my God, a man's flying. But if I didn't, I might have been upset and that would have been a different all caps response. Yes, yes. You see, I think if the question is supposed, to me, what is a movie? I think the general thing, hear me out for a second. I think the general thing is a movie supposed to be something that is entertaining. But what is entertaining? Something that can entertaining is actually another word to me for a word for connection because the order to

be entertained, whether it be you're finding something. There's passive entertainment. That's what a TikTok video is for. That's what 90 seconds is for. So content is. Yeah. That's what a content piece is, right? Like a little thing. But if we're talking about a movie or a show or something, something going to be around for like more than like a 20 to 30 minutes more than that, an hour, three hours, whatever. You want to be entertained, but to be entertained, you have to be connected. So to be connected, it has to be speaking to your heart on a personal level. So you got to tell personal stuff. Even if it's something like super bad, which is a comedy. Yeah. There's so many personal things in there that allow you to connect with the characters. Shrinking is a great comedy that we

were talking about, but it's so personal. What's massively entertaining. And that's what we want. So when people want to distinguish the two of like keep politics out of my, I'm not saying like going there and start preaching politics, but it kind of comes out inherently because our world is politics. We live in politics. Everything we do is politics in some way. And then somehow we've categorized what politics is. But everything's politics. That's what I was saying. Like it's personal because it's real and real is the world, which is political. Yeah. Every decision that gets made affects real people. And thus when political decisions are made and it affects real people, the art reflects that. I think when people are saying they want, they just want entertainment, I'm like, I don't think you know what you mean when you say that. I don't think a lot of people actually understand, like, how you get entertained is by personally connecting to what you're watching. I think they're just hurt by the entertainment that feels like it offends their worldview. And that's hard because I'm sure there's lots of art that I would disagree with, but I don't tend to gravitate towards it.

Yes. So I don't have the, you know, platform to yell about whatever that is. I only know what the category would be, but people that are feeling ostracized and feeling let, And you mentioned like the loneliness or like, you know, epidemic. I do feel like there are many people that feel they aren't seen because historically, that's the case. Like there's a period in your life, no matter how old you are, whatever part of your life you're in. There is a period where you feel like you're not seen. But we didn't used to have the internet to rage on to share that.

And then other people find other people that didn't feel seen. And that causes this whole other undercurrent of rage and loneliness. What a sad podcast. Pilot episode. But you could also turn that into the connectivity it was meant to be if you find magic again. But how do you go back to finding magic? How do you block assholes? Yeah, I know it's weird.

Like now to experience the magic of movie, you have to weirdly have a discipline now in order to do it. And I hate that. It takes work. Yeah, exactly. Is that strange? That's like it takes work to get lost again. I go to premieres, not because it's some sort of like, oh, the studio was, I'm promoting. I'm bad at doing.

the thing that I know is going to be more sensationalized like rapid editing or all the stuff like I don't enjoy that so when I put out stuff at a premiere it's usually like I'm excited and that's something I'd do if I was just going to AMC and I do do so when everyone gets mad at me and they're like you just wanted to

make the studio happy go to the premiere I'm like I just want to go premiere because there's not people they're talking like the only thing I get out of it is I have to call the experience down to the narrow field of what movies used to be a premiere just feels like what movies used to be unless I'm sitting next to Johnny Depp but I'm not like it's the same but it's just the joy and the uproariousness and there are times that

we've left premieres and been like that movie was not as good as it felt then but that's how all movies used to feel I got an interesting question then um because if we're going to have two news stories in this movie news podcast because then we got to go um but no I got an interesting and the certainty to think is the second story um what it was what it was getting me to think about is as as we were talking I'm like well at the end of the day It does, it would appear that most of the big movies, most movies that are made, are done by people who identify as left-leaning liberal or something in that camp, right? There's less people making sound of freedom than they're, you know. So I'm like, what if, because like when Sound of Freedom came out, I don't think the right crowd was like, take politics out of my movies, you know?

They were like, yes, we're seen. That's what I'm saying? It's your politics. Yeah. So, or that, what was that documentary that, like, almost Borat-like movie that came out, the, the, I'm not racist. Which one? I'm not racist.

I'm not racist. Very political. Passion of the Christ. Passion of the Christ. Right. So what if there were more people who were right leaning who were just making their movies? Do you think a balance would occur? Am I racist?

Thank you. Thank you. Do you think there would be a bit more of a balance in the discussion then if there were more, we're not, I think the problem is, like, take away our own political leanings. If there were more people who were, if there were more Mel Gibson's. the world. Kevin Sorbos and Kirk Camerons. John Voitz. Sylvester Stallones.

Be like, we accept Sylvester Stallone. Isn't Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s wife and actress? Let's see. I think that would be a less aggressive. Like, I think there would be less aggression on the left's art, but I think there'd be more aggression in general

because I do feel like ideologically, there's already so much conflict in real life. I think if there were as many movies that had those things, I don't know what that would translate to box office wise or how that would be for like the average viewer. I also like, I don't understand politics anymore to scale. I don't understand how so many people enjoy movies that have, you know, left leaning political, you know, ideas, but then vote to hurt people or, or, and that's too blindly black and white, but when they vote against the people that the movies are emboldening and helping and trying to find

strengthen. Like when you have a clear line in the sand that says, I believe in humanity, I'm seeking this out and I want the better for people. But then you, in real life, as soon as you leave that fantasy, act in the opposite direction. I don't know how you identified with that art in the first place. I don't understand how you can go into a Superman movie wanting to hate it if you claim to like the character. The character is about belief in mankind and you don't even believe in yourself. Yeah, it's funny because what a lot of people don't realize that maybe there's an inverse happening here, right? Maybe it's not the fact that the movie's doing political shit.

It's the fact that you have political point of views and you're letting that affect your point of view when you're watching the movie. And it's causing something in you that you don't feel good about. So then you get mad. Because my point is not like, hey, give more people who are right. Like, I don't imagine, when I watch a Mel Gibson movie, I don't feel like I'm watching right wing politics. You know, I haven't seen flight risk.

Maybe it's nothing about that. We should react to that, dude. I haven't seen that, right? So I'm not saying, like, more right-leaning, right-leaning filmmakers should go in and start pushing these, like, agendas that you hear all the time in campaign speeches or whatever. But, you know, a natural voice does come through just because when it's politics, what's coming through are your own just personal beliefs in life, right? What's funny is I didn't even read the Tarantino quote as political. No, we just found our way there. Oh, okay, because I was like, well, that's an interesting take.

I brought myself there because I was like, well, to try to figure out what are movies now. I think it's a streaming issue more than a more than a political issue. I think there's a very big variable, a thousand percent. I think it's more about the format of movies than it is about anything else. Because we talked about the quantity problem. And also like the speed at which movies are no longer a movie and they're a bit of content. Yeah. I think movies and theaters are becoming content because people on their phones and talking.

I think movies at home are content because you're making dinner and you're on your phone and you're half watching. Yeah. What's the goddamn Jurassic Park quote that people say from Jeff Goeblum all the time? Life finds a way? no great pull though chaos theory no like what no the thing of like you never bother to ask whether or not you should you focused on whether or not you whether or not you could you didn't bother to ask whether or not you should and I feel like when you think about like the greatness of golden age of television but then beyond that beyond breaking bad and these shows that were clearly done with a reasonable budget when you think about like

stranger things or when Michael bay is making Netflix movies these giant blockbusters of like wow cool we can finally bring this to television yeah awesome but now when we're watching these things that were usually intended for big screen ideas and then you're supposed to be off your phone and focus and absorbed in it and now you're on your phone cooking dinner all the things you're saying now it's affected the way you you choose to view things and now you've robbed yourself from it so yes I would agree fullheartedly that is a massive problem and audience's expectation if you look at something like red one no one saw Red One in theaters. I liked Red One.

And then Red One came to streaming and broke tons of records because it was made for that format to people that were like, I can just wait two weeks. Yeah. And also, we, I also don't think we appreciate the value of a movie growing and now, but a lot of movies don't also have that ability as much anymore. If it doesn't do well day one, it's

dead. Yes. And there was a time where movie, I think a lot of Martin Scorsese films were not big hits, but then they became appreciated over time. I don't really know of movies that get made nowadays that have that, because because we're going to get lost in just a giant shuffle of a billion other movies that are coming out.

And you forget stuff because our attention spans are also garbage. Exactly, because movies are now also competing with content. Right. And our programming's broken. We can't remember three months ago. How are we going to remember them? Like, it's we're also breaking, which I think is its own formatting issue. So we don't have an answer, Tarantino. We just know there's a lot of goddamn problems with the movie industry. I think the variables are many, but I think

the biggest one for me is a sense of immersion that we are sacrificing ourselves. I know what I, yeah, exactly. I know what I, why, what I would want with watching a movie, but even I have robbed my, but the thing is I'm, I'm talking about this. I'm like, but I've, I'm a participant. I'm absolutely a participant in all these things. I'm trying to remove my phone from as much in my life as possible. I've, I've set up an area where I put it outside the bedroom, so I don't bring in the bedroom. I'm trying to put my phone away when I'm watching a movie. I think it's a very day. I think we'll look at cell phones, like we look at cigarettes in the 90s as how did we let that go so far. Yeah, I mean, it's like if you think about everyone with these focus problems and everything. And, everyone getting diagnosed for ADHD and ADD now. It's like, well, everyone thinks they're a massive multitasker now. And like, yeah, because that's the thing is you are multitasking at all times. You might not think you're doing a task when you're on your phone watching a movie, but you are technically causing your brain to multitask and not be able to,

you're losing the muscle to focus on one thing. The other day I was driving and I was aware that I wanted to text and I had no one. It wasn't an emergency. I just was like, oh, I should reach out to this person now while I was driving. I didn't, but it scared the crap into me that the act of driving wasn't enough stimuli when it should be. That's so much going on. You're doing so many things. Those radio was on.

I should never be like, now is a free moment. And that means if that much is going on and my brain is like, we need to add another thing. What's it doing when I'm sitting idly watching a movie that would have immersed me before? We're robbing ourselves of happiness. The last thing I'll say is I do believe that if we invent teleportation, we will just become busier. Oh, I don't think. I think, I think AI is proof. that we will never have a universal basic income or any sort of society that isn't based on doing more.

Because we could be doing less with technology we've invented the last 20 years. We're doing more. It always, every time something is invented that is supposed to create speed, create efficiency, it just means great. You could fill more things in your time. Be more productive. Fill your time up. Be more productive. I'm way busier now than I was 10 years ago and I shouldn't be with how much technology makes things.

No one should. No one.