The Reel Rejects - THE BOURNE LEGACY (2012) MOVIE REVIEW – IS THIS FORGOTTEN SEQUEL ACTUALLY GOOD? – FIRST TIME WATCH

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Starting point is 00:02:03 It's on its own. You bought the special collector's address. addition wasn't just part of the package you bought it individually whole soccer baby I'm just making front of the fact that it's not that popular I'm not talking about the quality of the film yeah hey so wow did you like that more than born supremacy I know how much you hate the born supremacy it's actually the top of the franchise She's pretty top tier, top tier content right here. Honestly, I thought that was, that was better than I thought all these years it would be.

Starting point is 00:02:43 Yeah. Like, well over a decade of like, skip. So the idea that like to finally watch this, it was, was better. And then I expected it's, it has, it has its pros. And I could see that's one of those that's like appreciated over time. Yes. I could see how it was really not liked by a lot of people. Like if this, if I watch this like in the theater,

Starting point is 00:03:05 right after old event like why am i wasting my time i probably would have felt that way yeah it's fine yeah like it and but you know there are a lot of like pro i think we can all agree like jeremy redder was pretty cool yeah he was good in it he's got some charisma yeah yeah yeah he's very

Starting point is 00:03:21 endearing and you know he can hit a lot of things but he can't take hits you know one week of one week yeah it's like that boss level of you find him on easy mode terribly hard villain and moral combat until you punch him

Starting point is 00:03:38 I won that round pretty easy you can shout con really fast So you know I think it was interesting You know had the things to say about like In the far of us pharmaceutical companies But as part of like the

Starting point is 00:03:49 Born legacy so to speak No pun intended Very pun it much intended Do you feel like this movie Warranted it's own existence Or like proved it's own existence Good question Justified its own existence

Starting point is 00:04:02 There we go. Sure. I would say sure. Just because it is fascinating with the pharmaceutical aspect of it all. I don't know. To be quite honest, I think, like, one of you told me that Tony Gilroy directed it, I got kind of excited. I was like, oh, cool. And I could tell with the slow burn, I was like, oh, this feels like an Andor episode, you know?

Starting point is 00:04:30 Like I But does it Yeah, I guess so Could we do without it? Sure So no, it doesn't I guess not I don't know

Starting point is 00:04:42 I mean I'm conflicted Like it was a fun movie But not Yeah Not as kinetic and crazy And fun as Other born movies

Starting point is 00:04:53 I think this story Would have worked great As a television show Oh sure Yeah I know they made like a Treadstone movie show, which I have

Starting point is 00:05:02 no interest in watching. But don't bother asking. He's in it. But this plot, I think, works really well as a television show. I think maybe where it might have been a little bit at odds is I think Tony Gilroy would have wanted to just make the thriller.

Starting point is 00:05:20 Oh, sure, sure, sure. Which is crazy because when the action's there, the action's really good. Yeah. Effectively. There's some pretty effective moments with the action. Like what the Because that's the thing with

Starting point is 00:05:30 Especially like ultimatum Like ultimatum is like those those that trilogy I consider that an action movie trilogy You know This is really like a thriller with some action scenes in it That's what this one is And again And maybe because I did bother it

Starting point is 00:05:48 Because you brought that question About how many books there were In one of the reviews I got curious To like see what the books were all about It's like 20 of them Yeah there's like 20 of them And they're very much not what the movies are.

Starting point is 00:05:59 Wow. And like with some, but you can see where they got some inspirations. But anyway, but yeah, they are very much like espionage heavy, but not even like this, but this degree is definitely still like finding that line between what the Boren trilogy did and now this one. But, you know, I like the idea of exploring more of like the soldier control, a man searching for freedom. Sure, yes.

Starting point is 00:06:23 The dangers of the, of the medicines, performance enhancements. And of course, like, okay, so we did like psychological conditioning. What about physiological warping, physiological conditioning? There's a lot of like cool things that it does tap into. But I do feel like, though, that it was a little bit, it didn't fully go there. And if you're out, I feel like that's why I talk about the movie being a little bit at odds. Because it felt kind of surface on what they talked about, even though it was like a lot of dialogue. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:51 It felt like it was a little surface level on the, on the exploration. and then when there's action though the action was great like the one shot they have where he's like climbed like I think the whole house invasion scene was really sweet and then when he like climbs up the that one shot where he climbs up to the roof and then goes in the window and he shoots that guy was a great shot when he fights those like Filipino guards for like like 10 seconds and like there's some really cool sequences in there

Starting point is 00:07:19 and the whole on foot chase the bike scene was like I think one of the entire franchise's best sequences they've ever done So there was like some amazing action moments in here. But yeah, it was like kind of going for a tone that felt a little bit more, I think it was going for a more sinister tone or something like that. But it didn't quite ever really hit me in that dread feeling. It felt a little bit like. I agree.

Starting point is 00:07:45 Like I like slow burns. I like a good slow burns. I really do. But then there were times. I was like, this is a little slow. But not in a way that it felt like it was. eliciting, you know, dread or, you know, or something really compelling, you know, like, I'm not just going to list off a shit ton of slowburns to prove my point. I know when I like a slowburn.

Starting point is 00:08:07 I know that this, this did not. I'm trying to see if, like, is there a one that would hit a film that was like a political throw slowburn that I do feel would have really hit the nail on the head here? That it like blends action scenes. Oh, that blends actions? I don't know about one that blends action scenes. specifically or there's not one that's coming in mind it's a political thriller that does that yeah i can't think of a a ton of my head in that regard yeah but the conceit was cool though against the born ultimatum timeline mm-hmm that's pretty cool yeah you know it's paralleling the

Starting point is 00:08:45 latter half the second movie through the end of the third movie just is happening in a a different vein it's interesting because this movie it's happening at the same time but doesn't have have the immediacy of the stakes because they said the treadstone was the tip of the iceberg and there's all these other programs that were happening at the same time but it didn't seem like Aaron was too concerned with trying to like take that down or uncover what was going on there he's more so just like I need my meds and then he's like yeah he got he got what he needed he was sick for a little bit and then he was good it's like all right I'm just going to go off and freaking this boat with this chick yeah and it feels like because Tonya Gerroy was behind the other ones

Starting point is 00:09:26 and just, you know, the legacy of the franchise. You're like, ah, well, we can just stop here. And like, you know, we'll get sequels. We'll just explore more of that in the sequel. But, you know, they never got the sequel. So it kind of just feels sort of, I don't, deflated at the end without a real impact into the larger narrative of it. And this does feel like, you know, the behind the scenes are like the, the back consequences of what was going on with the born. And it's weird.

Starting point is 00:09:50 I've never seen a movie talk about a character so much without that character actually being in the film. it was kind of a strange experience. And I was like, was that like by design? Or did they just cannot get back, even to come back in any way, shape, or form? I feel like it was by design. It seems like Aaron Cross has no idea who he is or has any interest in him.

Starting point is 00:10:11 Yeah, right, right, right. But clearly the other characters do, though. Oh, yeah, they have the guys at the top to you. No, yeah. What's also interesting about this is like, as much as it's, you talked about how it was like more geopolitical than we were expecting. there's really a lot of the emphasis

Starting point is 00:10:25 on the science. It did feel, and I think you said this in the middle of the movie, it felt a little science fictiony because like born, the first born three, first three born movies felt grounded in that sense, and then this comes

Starting point is 00:10:42 as a slow burn, and then there's like human enhancement, which we were kind of questioning the science, how much, how true that could be, or to the degree. To the degree, right? And so it, it did feel like oh we're dealing with some sort of enhancement where Jason Bourne himself like it seemed like just really skilled so that was a weird kind of thing I was grappling with the entire movie just because

Starting point is 00:11:06 again Tony Gilroy makes it really grounded and again because there was not a lot of action sequence it did feel like this suspenseful thriller um so there there was this weird kind of for me personally it just felt like science fictiony but really grounded in geopolitics political and we're talking about like a lot of deeps like some intense political stuff um and then yeah like like you mentioned aaron it was it kind of ended up really abruptly i didn't expect it to end so like yeah oh we're done yeah i think another thing that probably added to it feeling a little slower is the fact that the plot is about this guy who has enhanced uh strength and abilities and and strength um you know mental prowess but i feel like if we would have spent more time focusing in the

Starting point is 00:11:50 beginning of how competent and strong he is sure they showcase it but showcasing like oh he's like at his peak and then show the fact that he's degrading over time in a more prominent way that would have added to the stakes like he's still trying to be the super soldier for lack of a better term but his inability to have this thing is is compromising him and just watching the stakes oh my god is this guy going to be able to get to his goal because we see him at such a high point and then the low point he finally achieves it and then he's back and is that a little bit formulaic sure but I feel like it was it was trying to do that plot without showcasing a lot of oh good point that stuff right throughout it hmm I feel like the movie the misses is just the mark

Starting point is 00:12:34 mainly on it's a real simple thing like you have to know you have to be invested in someone's golden why yes what they're doing yeah and again it's like Jeremy renner is is bring so much to this role right and you eventually learn why he's doing it and they try to like like simplify the basic of it, you know, with, oh, they try to kill him. And now he wants to, you know, get his beds and find out what's going on. Yeah. But it's the emotional hook into it is not, is just nowhere near as compelling as what came prior with every, with Jason Bourne. Which is something simple.

Starting point is 00:13:13 You know, like, okay, the guy lost his identity and I was being hunted. Like, there's a cool, like, intrigue and mystery. And there's no real mystery to this movie. Like, there's so much, there's so much. There's so much information, but you know everything that's happening right from the beginning. Like, oh, there's a program that's trying to kill it on the pro. There's like nothing to unpack. Yes.

Starting point is 00:13:29 Other than we need the characters to eventually learn what's going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we already know way ahead of them what's going on. Right. So we're not really on the, like when Jason Bourne is trying to discover what's happening and try to figure it out. Like we're kind of with him on that journey. Yes, yes. And here you're just like, okay, eventually they're going to learn what they're going to do.

Starting point is 00:13:50 So like it just hit a point where everything was kind of like it didn't really have much it's it's like aiming for suspense But I didn't really feel the suspense in my chest and it's aiming for You know like the expansion of the world. I think is actually fine. I'm okay I'm okay with the expansion of the world I'm okay with expanding to like it seemed like they did we were trying to do some like franchise you know Mm hmm the time of like we got a bit of a cinematic universe on our hands It seemed like they were trying to do like some cinematic universe shit right like all these different parts of the world and I wish they kind of lean more into like I'm totally fine with Jason Bourne not appearing in the movie I do wish they I like this set up effect of like

Starting point is 00:14:31 Jason Bourne did this and now all this is happening because of Jason Bourne and I think it's like you forget about that the consequences like halfway through you're like oh yeah yeah it's all like there should be like a momentum and it doesn't really feel like there's a true momentum to it outside of like a burst of an exciting exciting scene. Right. Yeah, it's like there's no real scene in the movie that feels exciting on its own unless

Starting point is 00:14:55 unless there's like action in there. I think the born movies do a good job of having intriguing scenes and exciting scenes even when there's no action. Whereas this was like only really exciting when there was like an action scene. In spite of like some of these scenes being really well written. I think the scene when

Starting point is 00:15:12 Rachel Weiss is being in interrogated in her home was a really well-ridden scene. It really showed a great, and it's great showcase of acting for her and how scared she was. And it, I really felt like a different vibe of what that, like the movie,

Starting point is 00:15:29 I feel like some of the best part of the movie is literally like that scene ending on to when they escape. Like, because that whole chunk, if the whole movie kind of had like a bit of that, because it seemed like you wanted to do a little bit more, like, let's actually go to some flashbacks. Let's see some of like the trauma of what was Rob from this Aaron Cross guy

Starting point is 00:15:47 formerly known as Kenneth, you know, like that, some of that tragedy behind him. But the movie has that ending note of like, you know, him now he's being free. But I didn't quite feel that catharsis for him because the movie didn't reel me in as an audience member to that struggle, to that journey. Even though it sets up, of course, in the beginning,

Starting point is 00:16:06 like when he's talking with Oscar Isaac, he's like, I don't know anybody else in the program. And he's like trying to connect. So yes, it's like, again, like when I were watching, I said it. Like it seems like it was all there. Yeah. But for some reason, the notes just weren't really singing that high.

Starting point is 00:16:20 And I have to imagine it, whether it's meant to be in this film or like some other film and the future of this wing of the franchise for Jeremy Renner's character and Edward Sworn's characters to meet again. You know, because they were two characters that knew each other before all this happened. Then just like confront him about like how this has affected his life. I think that would have added a sense of catharsis to it. Oh, I love the setup of that too. Yes. Yeah, we see them. They know each other.

Starting point is 00:16:47 Like, oh, that's some better as opposed to like another guy who looks like that too. Right, right, right, right, right. Like, find this guy. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's another thing, too. They don't know who, like, they're hunting for Rachel Weiss the whole time. But part of the fun stakes of why, like, compared to the born movies, the original ones, they're hunting for born.

Starting point is 00:17:04 Yeah. It's like him against the world. So it's, yeah. Or is here they don't even know, like who they're, like, they're looking, they're just looking for this girl. Like, she must have help, you know. Yeah, yeah. And it sucks. because, like, you, you have to have this franchise exist simultaneously

Starting point is 00:17:17 because you don't want to create another big governmental fuss to the degree that Jameson-Borne is because that takes away from his story. And you don't want to just repeat it. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. But then it's like, well, you got to make something that could at least be on the same wavelength in a way that is as effective, not feel like obviously less than. Yes.

Starting point is 00:17:36 So I appreciate that it feels separate, though, from the, it feels different than the original three doesn't just feel like a, I've heard people say, It just feels like a rehash, but I'm like, no, I don't think I'm going to say it. And I wouldn't call it, I see a comment here from one of our patrons saying that they're calling it lazy. I don't even feel like it's lazy. I don't feel like I don't particularly, I don't particularly feel like it's lazy. I just think it doesn't quite, it's not as, I don't think it says focused and nowhere near as strong as the potential it had to be. I think they should have just leaned in more on why Jeremy Renner signed, because Jeremy Renner didn't lose his memory.

Starting point is 00:18:11 So I think like, like don't make that a minute. like lean into it so the audience can connect to him yeah lean into the friend foe like oh the person hunting me is the person i trusted you know sure yeah yeah yeah and then you have something personal to latch on to so then you pretty much they pretty much should have the exact same movie and it would just be more interesting because of your personal investment in it you know real quick and real talk moving money is something we have to constantly do around here as much fun as it is here. It's also a business as well, some reality that even sometimes I have a hard time contending with. So you got to pay people. You got to send money fast. And you got to keep

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Starting point is 00:20:26 questions? Let's do it. I've got two. Okay. You want to read John? Sure. Beast Games contestant number five. Thank you for your question or support. I don't know why Jeremy Renner has somehow the guy who they thought was the second coming of Timothy Shalme of his time.

Starting point is 00:20:53 Oh, wow. And wanted to make him the leading man of a franchise. But I do actually like this movie, especially more than the next born movie. Okay, good to know. My question is to you guys think Jeremy, do you guys think Jeremy Renner could lead a franchise? Definitely. Yeah, I think he's endearing enough. and he is he does have a

Starting point is 00:21:16 a ruggedness but also a tenderness to him as an actor and I didn't disbel I didn't not believe him as the lead of this franchise I feel like he just needed more material to make the film stronger but I don't think he's

Starting point is 00:21:33 the fault of the movie at all I think he's the best part of the movie yeah he's one of that yeah can he lead a franchise um he's really good in a lot of his past work. He's really good in like ensemble pieces. Like he was really good in

Starting point is 00:21:48 not only Avengers movies, but he's really good in Wake Up Dead Man. But also, I mean, I liked him in the Hawkeye series. Was he the lead? I guess so, but I don't know if he... Yeah, so... He is Hawkeye.

Starting point is 00:22:06 Yeah. We'd like to see him in a solo movie? I don't know. That I guess depends on the story, but... I know what he's talking about. talking about though like there was they wanted originally permission impossible for before Tom Cruise was like oh I'm going to continue

Starting point is 00:22:19 this the original plan was to hand it off to Jeremy Remind his character and Tom Cruise was like this is the one thing working for me I'm sticking around right right right and eventually just left the franchise and yeah the Boren movies as well was another one they were like yeah he should

Starting point is 00:22:35 replace Mad Damon right and he was in quite a star you know like I think the thing that I've never seen the Hurt Locker I hear he's incredible in it And he's the lead of that movie And he was oh my gosh, yes The movie I was introduced to him in was the town

Starting point is 00:22:50 Which he is phenomenal in that film I haven't seen the movie Oh he's phenomenal in that movie Phenomenal in that movie phenomenal scene stealer I think he was nominated for an Oscar for that He was an absolute scene stealer in that film And Everything I've seen him in I've liked

Starting point is 00:23:05 But I think I think the I think they tried molding him into a position that he's not like he's not he doesn't have like there's something about like you know the tom cruise the brad pitt the mad damans

Starting point is 00:23:19 that have like a like an associated movie star quality to them that jeremy renner is not that guy like he is charismatic and he's extremely talented but he doesn't quite fit that mold

Starting point is 00:23:36 of what i think they tried turning him into like his strengths are in these other things that we list even in the Win River I was gonna bring that up just now yeah yeah like that movie you know absolutely amazing that's the kind of shit that Jeremy Renner really excels and even here

Starting point is 00:23:53 it's like this is like a darker portrayal and I think he's great but it is a thing you're asking from your audience to go from superstar Matt Damon to right this new guy the circumstance you're right yeah so it was it was a different thing and and now it's different for us we all know Jeremy Renner so it's not like big tall order to ask us to watch this movie and we're not like Jeremy Renner who's this guy

Starting point is 00:24:16 because we all know Jeremy Renner now same thing it's like when Oscar Isaac showed up yeah you know like oh shit I bet I think at the time no one was like Oscar Isaac yeah yeah yeah yeah but at this time we're like oh my God Oscar Isaac yes so yeah I do think that it was the try positioning Jeremy Renner to be something he he's not he's not he's not the guy to take over Tom Cruz's job he's not the guy to take over mad davin you know it is yeah big shoes the fill for sure so I think that was just the one thing but I do think he could lead a franchise absolutely yeah I think he'll guy show I think Hawkeye show I mean the mayor of

Starting point is 00:24:49 Easton here's great in yeah yeah the fucking Hawkeye show could have been better and yeah definitely and he's always been great in that role you know true speaking of Hawkeye hawk what up hawk I actually like this movie it's yes it's weaker than the original three but I enjoyed them for trying to expand the world of Jason Bourne. How do you feel they did in accomplishing that? Well,

Starting point is 00:25:16 you guys can answer. I thought we talked a lot about that. I think they swung for a home run. They got like a first base hit or maybe second base hit. Like you get me?

Starting point is 00:25:25 I don't know if that... Are you talking soccer? Yes, exactly. I don't know. Sports. What are those? I would say took the basketball

Starting point is 00:25:35 to the touchdown. Yeah, let's sports. No, yeah. I don't know if I guess that's my sentiment. I don't, I get, I think the biggest thing is they didn't fully lean into the expansion. I think they kind of just did it. It was like one quality that was a little different.

Starting point is 00:25:56 Yes. Which is we got a new name that's not Treadstone and we use drugs outside of that. That's true. That's true. There's not really anything that different about it. And they were trying to do a different execution, but I do think, Like there's such a limitation on the world building that they could do. But again, there's not, there's only so much you can do, I suppose, to truly make it intriguing.

Starting point is 00:26:21 Because that's the biggest, I think that's the film's biggest failure. There's no mystery to what we're watching. Good point. Yes. So, you know, the first one is built off. Like this franchise is started off as a mystery action movie. Yes. You know, like, what's going on and why?

Starting point is 00:26:37 Yeah, yeah. And there's no mystery to this. And they just like lay all the cars out. on the table right away and then you're just watching people catch up to information. So, yeah, it's the, it's, but I, do I think it's like, no, I think I think you should just, don't get me wrong. If they did announce Jason Bourne Six and they were going to fucking cross these two over, sure.

Starting point is 00:26:57 I would be so excited. I would have seen that. Definitely, yeah. You know, I would be so excited. And they had to fight a snowmobile. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, my God. Damn.

Starting point is 00:27:07 Ha, ha, ha. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, That's Aaron Cross's biggest enemy. You think he can't handle a bullet to the leg. Yeah, cross both snowmobile. Imagine a snowmobile to the leg. Oh my gosh. Or wherever the fuck it was, it's a snowpland.

Starting point is 00:27:22 Something like that. I thought this movie was fine. It was okay. I expected it to be like bad, but, but, you know, Tony Gerroy is a very competent writer and director. And I feel like he, you know, did the best he could with the limitations of the franchise. like all right let's make a movie that is born adjacent without taking away the shine or trying to repeat what Jason Bourne did in those movies so you know you can only go so far but I feel like the stuff that that was in here could have been utilized to its full potential right and happening

Starting point is 00:27:59 in a different vein lean into you know the drug stuff the message of that and lean into the connection I feel like you could have had something more powerful but it did leave me with this feeling of oh, they feel like they're going to have more movies, so they're not going to put all their cards out on the table. And they're going to give us part of a story instead of the entirety of a story, which I feel like is why it fell flat. Yeah, a lot of this movie didn't feel like truly creatively inspired.

Starting point is 00:28:25 It felt like they had, they were given a sequel. There's a lot of Tony Gilroy a chance to direct after writing. And it seemed like they came up with something versus, I have an idea. Why don't we try this? This would be cool, you know? Yeah, yeah. Like the only, like, it's a big.

Starting point is 00:28:40 swing of a comparison, but if you look at like Prometheus from alien that easily could have just been some bad alien prequel and instead it evolved from something really creative. And they're like, yeah, it's in the alien world, but we're going to make something very creative and different. And this one just seemed like

Starting point is 00:28:58 we have money. Let's make more. But with that, they did a pretty good job. Yeah. Where most of those are God awful. And this at least was not God awful. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:13 But yeah, the intent behind it definitely didn't feel like inspired. Yeah. Good point. Yeah. Anyway, that's the most cordial we can be with this. We'll let you guys go. Thanks for being here. We'll watch Jason Bourne next.

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