The Reel Rejects - THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: THE VOYAGE OF THE DAWN TREADER (2010) MOVIE REVIEW! First Time Watching!

Episode Date: February 2, 2025

SAILING THE DAWN TREADER TO THE EDGE OF THE WORLD!! Visit https://www.liquidiv.com & use Promo Code: REJECTS to get 20% off your first order. Visit https://huel.com/rejects & receive 15% off your ord...er. The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader Full Reaction Watch Along: https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thereelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/thereelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Another FANTASY SUNDAY is upon us as Andrew Gordon & John Humphrey RETURN for the 3rd and Final film in the recent run of Narnia adaptations, this time giving their FIRST TIME Reaction, Commentary, Analysis, Breakdown, & Full Movie Spoiler Review of The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader! Part 3 sees Lucy and Edmund Pevensie return to Narnia with their cousin Eustace where they meet up with Prince Caspian for a trip across the sea aboard the royal ship The Dawn Treader -- where, long the way, they encounter dragons, dwarves, merfolk, and a band of lost warriors before reaching the edge of the world!! The film stars Skandar Keynes & Georgie Henley as Edmund & Lucy Pevensie along with Will Poulter (We're the Millers, The Maze Runner) as Cousin Eustace Scrubb, Ben Barnes (Daredevil, Black Mirror) as Prince Caspian, Liam Neeson (Taken, Schindler's List) as Aslan, Tilda Swinton (Snowpiercer, Doctor Strange) as The White Witch, Simon Pegg (Mission: Impossible, The Cornetto Trilogy, Star Trek) as Reepicheep (taking over from Eddie Izzard) + appearances from Bruce Spence (The Road Warrior, Dark City), Anna Popplewell (Mansfield Park) as Susan Pevensie, William Moseley (Artemis Fowl) as Peter Pevensie, & MORE! Andrew & John REACT to all the Best Scenes & Most EPIC Moments including the Magic Pond, Transition to Narnia / The Water from the Painting scene, Stealing Rations, Dufflepuds, Eustace in Narnia, Book of Incantations, Lucy Shoots Susan's Bow, Dark Island, Eustace the Dragon, The Sea Monster Battle, & Aslan's Wisdom: 'You doubt your value. Don't run from who you are,' Beyond!! Follow Andrew Gordon on Socials:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MovieSource Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/agor711/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/Agor711 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:00 More on them in just a bit. Anyways, time to go back in the wardrobe, Andrew. Let's go into the wardrobe, guys. The Chronicles of Narnia, the voyage of the dawn, treader. Say that 10 times fast again. Commence. Anyways, guys, we just watched the third film in the series. The Chronicles of Narnia, the dawn of.
Starting point is 00:01:30 of The Voyage Treader. Did I say that correct? The voyage of the Don Treader, Andrew. The Don Treader is the ship and it is going on a voyage. Damn it. Taking us on a voyage. You got K&B. Anyways, if you are listening on Apple or Spotify,
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Starting point is 00:02:07 He's got the chesties. Scarbucks. The Scarbucks. Yeah, there's some really cool stuff. I'll start it off. I definitely enjoyed this film. Scandar Keynes is the actor who plays Edmund. What a name, by the way.
Starting point is 00:02:20 That is a great name. Never ever clocked that. I definitely enjoyed this film. Again, I don't know if it ever gets, not fair to compare but you know we talked about at the beginning i i don't know if it ever gets to that level like we said especially coming of age that harry potter not going to go to the lord ruler rings it's like it's ridiculous to make that kind of comparison i'd be most productive to compare this to the other two yeah yeah that's i agree with that but um just in terms of
Starting point is 00:02:48 the series i still enjoyed this series i definitely missed having uh peter and susan in here i'm glad we at least got a couple scenes here and there, but I definitely missed having the four of them together. That was a crux of what I enjoyed the most in the other two films. The chemistry, the issues that arise, because I'm actually a sibling and a family of four of siblings.
Starting point is 00:03:12 I resonate with that, but also you're the Edmund. I am the Edmund. But also also, too, not even just that, even if I was an only child, I actually love those interactions and I love the four of them together. Having said that, Will Poulter for me was a breath of fresh air.
Starting point is 00:03:31 I love how he was the outcastness. I love his sassiness. The sop, as the subtitle showed us, whatever, or sod, whatever he was. His, his lips didn't come together there. Yeah, whatever the line was. But my point is, like, I loved all his line deliveries. He just, I mean, all these lines that he was hysterical. He was arrogant, but he stood out to me.
Starting point is 00:03:56 for someone who was like at this age too very impressive um but i do like the uh the journey we go on with his character in terms of the arc and understanding like uh you know just the way he views everything and everyone and how they're the issue and they're the problem and also uh this journey of becoming i guess you would say a hero turn in terms of how he became the dragon and then learned how to find his courage in that way um and i found that to be interesting because at the end of the day for all his negativeness and his um arrogance you know he's still like i mentioned we mentioned a couple times he's still like a kid you know what i mean uh for all his um uh for all his perception of the world and everyone around it uh it to be like you know how he is
Starting point is 00:04:45 so i did uh resonate and appreciate that uh and i loved him in this uh he's great and again just just to be that young and to have like this kind of presence in the in a moment major motion picture i thought is very impressive for will polter and i had no idea he was acting at this young as well because i've never really gone to his i'm to be to check check out uh when he started i just thought we've figured we the millers was probably the first one he was in but um yeah and i thought uh again edmund and lucy they did a good job i thought their uh their storylines in terms of characters were interesting as well with lucy you know it was you know she didn't uh you know she didn't perceive herself to be, you know, first of all, she wanted to grow up a lot faster than she was and also didn't perceive herself to be as beautiful as her sister or just in general.
Starting point is 00:05:33 So it was an interesting, you know, way to do it. And it makes sense. Like when you're coming of age, that is something, you know, that a lot of people, you know, deal with. So I could understand that storyline that we were going with with her. and then in regards to Edmund, I guess, with him, like, it kind of felt a little similar to me. I mean, if you disagree, totally for sure. It kind of felt like with him, he didn't feel like, well, he wanted to, I guess with him, he, like, he wanted to become a man now.
Starting point is 00:06:04 He wanted to go off to war and also, like, take up the reins of being the king, if you will, and prove himself in that way. And kind of felt like him and Caspian, their character are, were kind of clashing with each other and like who's the king, who's the leader kind of thing. So, yeah, interesting in that perspective. I don't know if it like fully hit with me, but I mean, I see where they were going with it. And I guess it was fine. But like nothing like too deep or anything, but I don't know if these movies are trying to be that.
Starting point is 00:06:36 But I still appreciated it. I love the locations. I know that was something we talked about in the second film. We really loved the locations in that film. I think one thing I definitely would have liked in this film and I know the green mist is our villain
Starting point is 00:06:51 like playing the mind tricks I did miss not having a villain in this like an actual villain I think they could have made that stronger so as to bridge that gap like yeah I don't I don't disagree yeah like because in the first film
Starting point is 00:07:06 we had the ice queen played amazingly but I told this went in she was incredible and then the second one was the uncle Caspian's uncle. Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 00:07:17 Uncle scarring that, if you will. And then this one, it's just the miss, playing tricks with your mind, giving you temptation, which is fine. There's something to be said about that. But again, it just, it just ran. Again, in sections, like visually, like, there were some points where I was like, okay, I'm buying this. This feels like a threat. I feel the stakes here. But at the same point, too, with nothing on screen in terms of, like, to, in terms of, like, to,
Starting point is 00:07:44 interact with it's like i didn't like i just would have liked an actual villain personally but again a stronger more defined antagonistic presence yeah yeah but rather than like obstacles i mean you get the snake but even that is doesn't have like a you mean the serpent in the water sea serpent yeah and again it didn't have and again the ending and i'm not saying it has to have a major grand uh grandiose epic battle at the end like the first two or anything but it was a cool scene at the end i'm like oh this is the ending cool uh yeah uh but uh those are my initial thoughts how did you first of all how are you feeling from from just uh just how did this film make you feel i would love to know that first
Starting point is 00:08:31 of all uh it made me feel i mean i've enjoyed being here with you and and watching it most certainly and it's been a a pleasant way you know again to spend you know a calmish you know the first sort of calm Saturday afternoon day in, you know, a minute. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what this has done to my mood necessarily because, you know, it's been a mixed experience of a movie to some degree, you know, and part of it makes me curious about how, you know, this plays out in the book and what they adapted here. And yeah, I mean, I echo a lot of the sentiments that you have just kind of brought up here. I feel like this is definitely kind of a mixed experience in that, like, it has flashes quite frequently of like, these movies are kind of akin to one another.
Starting point is 00:09:26 I think this on first glance is probably my least favorite of the three. I think the second one is like the most well-rounded in a sense and kind of feels like it's operating on a consistent level of, again, you know, all ages epic fantasy um and the first one you know certainly kind of dips in and out of that to some extent um but it still has this sort of permeating sense of mood and uh you know there there are certain you know very striking appearances by certain actors and stuff like that and uh you know the way you know that movie is building up sort of slowly whereas this is more of your traditional sort of swashbuckling, you know, again, seafarer pirate type
Starting point is 00:10:13 story, you know, and yeah, like, I liked all the, it's the same thing, and it's telling, I guess, that it's, you know, Marcus and McPhileas, it's the same writing team at least with whatever additions are added or subtracted each time. There's a certain
Starting point is 00:10:28 quality in the writing that I have to some extent found in each of these movies where I'm like, that's a good idea. I wish there had been more exploration of it. or you know even in the physical elements of the movie like some of the effects look really great some of the effects like i always admired the imagination and for the most part i was always kind of on board with where they chose to place certain effects this was the one though where there
Starting point is 00:10:54 were times in which like certain stunts looked a little less uh just authentically within the movie reality and there were times where i'm like oh i can tell that that's a guy you know kind of swiping his fist at another guy or like, oh, this rock in frame has like smushed clueling me into the, it's like made of styrofoam or something or, you know, maybe a CG effect. Like, you know, half the time the smoke effects. And again, this is an earlier moment in movie making. So like part of me goes, well, how is this for the time?
Starting point is 00:11:29 And it looks, I'm sure, pretty good. Like, you know, certainly this is not a low budget movie or anything like that. And like we were talking about earlier, they probably had a good amount of it clearly had a lot at their disposal. Perhaps even the most of the franchise, I'm not sure. $145 million budget. Okay, so that's, I mean, that's top line, you know. It might not quite be the amount of, you know, dollars you need to do a Lord of the Ring type thing.
Starting point is 00:11:53 But yeah, I mean, they certainly had resources. I liked the imagination of it all. And I liked, you know, what they were showing us often and the ways. And it's weird. It's like I appreciated their efforts to sell what was happening on screen, both the world's. yeah inflation i don't know uh you know to sell the world they were doing these things and and you could kind of tell it's a different director sensibility because yeah you'll have these moments that are like quite handheld and clearly this is like a wide angle lens and we're like
Starting point is 00:12:25 following you know someone's feet through like eustace's feet through this treasure like oh hey we're starting a a shot with everybody at the rail of ship and you know we got this extreme kind of look down the line of everybody and then we're going to pull out and the first frame was a very first frame of the film was started at a Dutch angle shot and then turned 360 on the frame so there were definitely some that was cool different kind of thing though that that is more like okay this is fantastical this is like half a digital effect we're doing a very fluid kind of composed thing which also I think adds to the fantasy and also they did a number of shots that were in that flavor as well but they did yeah a lot of things that were like oh you're really there oh this is like handheld and kind of gritty and sometimes that really helped sell what was happening on screen some Sometimes it kind of showed my eye where the stuff that wasn't quite keeping the movie magic alive was in frame. No, agreed. I don't know these books.
Starting point is 00:13:22 I never read them. I read the Harry Potter books. I don't think I've read this one. Okay. Well, I was going to ask, whether you read the book or not, how did you feel personally about the absence of Peter and Susan in this? And I know they mentioned it at the end of the second film, which you pointed out, during the intro. fine, but how did you feel about, and again, I loved Eustace. He was great in this. I appreciate it. It was a breath of fresh air, but how did you feel about them really not being in the film at all? I mean, you had Peter in one scene and Susan, two scenes, basically. Did that bother you in any way, or were you completely fine with it? No, for the most part, I'm fine with that. Like, I, you know, I liked watching them, certainly. I thought those performers did a nice job in the first two movies. Like, I'd be happy, like, I was happy to see them show up here. And I thought some of the, especially the use of Susan, as, you know, seen through Lucy's eyes was an interesting thing.
Starting point is 00:14:18 I don't mind that at all, actually, because, like, I'm fond of when they let you miss characters. And even the idea that in the previous movie, they said, you know, you guys have come of age. And the way this ends off, too, with Lucy and Edmund, you know, the way these movies operate, it does maybe feel kind of abrupt. and I know there are like seven odd books or something like that and I don't know they don't all have the pevency kids I don't think but like with the fact that we wrap this up and it's like okay you guys have now come of age and you can move on from this and now you have to find what you've learned here in the real world and and you're growing up to the point where you cannot always recede into the fantasy realm like I was fine with that and yes the the thing is I liked cousin Eustace I thought he brought a lot to it
Starting point is 00:15:00 I thought that at times he was in his own movie but I was always enjoying watching him I could see easily how a certain kind of viewer would find him very aggravating and very outside the movie but that was the point that was the point he's supposed to be aggravating he's supposed to be the outcast
Starting point is 00:15:18 it's a tricky line to walk and I think what what will vary for you as a viewer is the fact that his lines for a good amount of time I thought they did a nice job of trans you know the change in dialogue and the change in performance as a character like that grows, I thought was handled nicely. I think at the beginning of the movie, especially in the first actor, so he's often here to
Starting point is 00:15:41 like cut to Eustace for some sassy quip or some, you know, fish out of water joke. And I like that. I thought that was charming, but I also could see how this wouldn't match to you as part of the general tone these movies tend to occupy. These three movies have occupied. But that's why I meant it's a breath of fresh air because you don't, I usually don't see that in the first two at least with someone who's just entering this world. But I thought it was funny.
Starting point is 00:16:09 But then seeing the change in the character towards the end, it was like, okay, I bought this. It worked. But again, I thought Will Polter, especially at that it, like, his delivered the way. Like, normally this kind of character, like, it does aggravate me. And I hate it. I'm not actually enjoying it. I'm like, get this character off the screen. I don't want to watch them anymore.
Starting point is 00:16:27 And, like, I was actually, I was laughing. Like, we were laughing. We were enjoying it. Like, obviously, we don't want it to be one. note the whole time we did want we knew he was going to obviously have a character arc and shift and change and all of course but still like i when he was being sassy and arrogant and annoying because maybe it's just because of will polter because of it's like you know is this how he would act as an audience like someone yeah who gets thrown into a fish out of water situation like that i don't
Starting point is 00:16:52 know but just i was just enjoying it it was hysterical i thought yeah i like having a new thread of flavor of tonal flavor yeah that brings and i think think that, again, you might not agree, and I can totally understand why somebody wouldn't agree with this, but I feel like it's somewhat appropriate the way he feels somewhat on a different plane from the rest of the movie for a while until he really is kind of integrate. Like, the further his character goes, and the more he grows, the more he feels like a coalescent part of the movie. So it's like, while I could see someone being distracted by him in the first actor, first half of the movie, I feel. like he starts to blend in and to your earlier question I liked having him a lot
Starting point is 00:17:38 and that definitely bridged some of the gap I thought you were onto something pretty cool when you were like oh instead of Peter and Lucy we are going to have like I actually think that's really smart you have Edmund and Lucy and that other girl the little girl yeah Gail you have Edmond and Lucy now
Starting point is 00:17:54 is basically assuming the roles and being at a point in life where they're more having the experiences the coming of age things that happen when you are Susan and Peter's age. So now to give them to younger siblings surrogates essentially to mentor
Starting point is 00:18:11 to clash with. I agree. That's really cool actually. That's a missed opportunity. And I think that yeah, with Eustis it's fine. I think they passed up some opportunity. And again, I don't know what comes from the book. I think they passed up some opportunities to have
Starting point is 00:18:26 Edmund and Lucy be the ones to like really help shape his journey. I liked him and Riepacheep, I was just about, I was just about to say, I did love that. And from the very beginning, how he was annoying and aggravating every single person on that, including Riepichib. And Riebache was able to see the potential. Yeah, yeah, no, again, he was, he did.
Starting point is 00:18:47 And also, he was trying to keep, like, he was trying to make him comfortable in a situation he knew he was way out of his element. Like, from the beginning. You could be small but mighty, you know, too. Yeah. And even, like, even when he turned into the dragon and he was crying, like, he was still there, I'll stay up with you all night. I'll comfort you. Like, I love that.
Starting point is 00:19:02 That was nice. It was sweet. It was like the compassion and I just, what a great character and the relationship between them, the interactions like it was great. I like that we got that. Yeah. And I for sure. And so I'm not mad that
Starting point is 00:19:17 some of the, again, like big brother, big sister dynamic doesn't factor in as heavily there because we get something at least in return. Whereas with Gail they, they my issue with the way some of these are written and I feel like I feel like as my
Starting point is 00:19:33 recall the one viewing I've had so far of Prince Caspi and I was sitting there going like oh it seems like it's kicking off kind of quick but I was also like pretty fast to be like no but I get it though I get what the pace of this movie is doing whereas this kind of jumped in to a lot of things it felt like
Starting point is 00:19:49 or at least it jumped into the you know transition into Narnia like almost immediately in a way that I liked I was a little taken aback by the abruptness there and then I feel like you have a similar phenomenon happening with Lucy's story where it's like they have a couple of these beats and even Edmund's like you know you meet him
Starting point is 00:20:06 he's trying to you know make himself look older than he is so he can enlist and you know go out there and you know join the good fight and use his expertise and prove himself as a man I will say you know how we were like he's Steve Rogers trying to do that the very next year Marcus and McPhee Roe shirt in America the first Avengers it's kind of funny that we were making that reference yeah yeah sorry go ahead no I mean like I liked those details and then with Edmund you do have a thing where it's kind of, yeah, akin to the Peter Caspian, you know, dynamic in the previous movie.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Very similar, yeah. I thought, yeah, I like the actor who plays Edmund a lot and I've liked him increasingly since, you know, the first movie he's supposed to be a bit of a stick in the mud and a bit of a frustrating character. I like what he's grown into. This movie, I don't begrudged them what they gave him to work with as it pertains to Caspian.
Starting point is 00:21:01 and there are a lot of moments early on where he is just sort of secure in their dynamic. I think it's a bit of... I feel like they could have maybe chosen something a bit more interesting for Edmund. I agree. That's where I told you. I feel like the clash between them
Starting point is 00:21:14 was kind of similar. And it was kind of similar to the beat too like you just mentioned in the second moment. I was like... And I thought we've done... It's weird. In the second movie, I was... Because of how he is in that movie,
Starting point is 00:21:25 I was like, I thought we were past some of this with him. I feel like they regressed his arc so he could have a... You're talking about... Caspian, right? Or are you talking about Edmund? Edmund. I feel like in the previous movie, he wasn't there a whole lot. Right, right, right. Because he was already like, because he already learned. He was like the highlight of the first. The film really shed a light in terms of on his character the most of the four. But yes. Reject Nation, it's a new year and
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Starting point is 00:25:08 like oh damn you really learned from the first movie like you know when the witch shows up in the big ice arch he's the guy to come in and smash it and be like no-uh and so like here having him be tempted by the witch again is not something i'm opposed to but i i felt like they could have again it's it's as I kept saying in the movie there are these details they would throw into this one in particular where I'm like this is sort of his whole thing with the witch like she met him as a child and she was giving him candy and it's relatively innocuous and you get how she's you know using him and sort of glamoring him but it's not like I don't know there's this weird thread that opens up in this movie where she's like come to me be my king and like he's of ageish enough now where you're sort of like this you can't help as an adult but think that this takes on just like an interestingly odd twisty layer and not that we need to get super adult in a movie like this but I feel like you could have used the sort of I don't know coercion and she's she's coerced and abused him to some degree so like I feel like you could
Starting point is 00:26:11 have used that as an interesting vein instead of me sitting here going like I thought Edmund was past this though and I get that the fog is supposed to play to your deepest fears and desires but like it it makes the growth from the last movie feel a little less tangible and a little bit more like oh we needed the mechanics and then with lucy it's like this is great she's got like a little sister figure to look up to her who she can find her own power and beauty through and i like that thing where she's like don't wish you were like me wish you were like you no that was good and that whole thread where she's like i want to be beautiful and and she's looking at boys and stuff like that and it's it's a good detail it's a it's a universal detail it's a it's a universal detail it's a it's a not like the most original thing, but like in the way it's articulated here, it sort of feels like they put a couple, they hit the character beat button a couple times and went, oh, she's looking at boys and oh, she wants to be beautiful and she wants to have that thing where, you know, in fantasy, especially when you have a young character who's lived multitudes and they're not like of what we consider adults, you know, consenting age, various things. It just adds this layer
Starting point is 00:27:16 that's rich and interesting. And I feel like here they've barely scratched. the surface of that and it's like you have deep enough into that for sure yeah and you have it's like they're these are always ensembles but lucy and edmund like to a degree are your leads or or are your you know they should have at least as kind of special spotlight and there were times where i'm like damn if this movie focused on their stories rather than just kind of checking in with them once in a while and like hitting the character beat button it could have like there's just so much potential it's like i thought this was pretty all right in terms of what we got and every idea was pretty good yeah but there just so many like potentials for this to feel rich and a little bit more interesting than you
Starting point is 00:27:55 would expect and to still play into the themes of faith and the fact that yeah you've come of age now you've got to go out and find God in the world basically I think that's a I mean again we we enjoyed all three of these movies I feel like that's a running theme and a lot in all three is like there's a lot of potential here which is yeah 100% yeah I want to try something different with you here before we get into trivia let's try it want you to guess the domestic box office each film. So start with the first one. Domestic. And then we'll do Rotten Tomatoes and then I'll get into trivia.
Starting point is 00:28:25 So first film, domestic box office. How much did the first movie cost? I'm going to have to look that up first. What is the budget? Okay. Domestic box office. Hold on. Hold on. Chronicles of Narnia budget. 180 million.
Starting point is 00:28:45 And the second one was 225. God. wow and third one 145 so this was the least expensive one yes of the three interesting
Starting point is 00:28:57 I will say it made domestically first movie 150 million dollars 291 710 957 second movie I figured I would be low balling that given the budget and part of me was like I wonder if because it's you know a piece of literature
Starting point is 00:29:15 it might have done well better this is domestic this is not worldwide we're saying right no that's what i'm saying is like it's cool it's good to know that they at least doubled i guess that makes sense you domestically double your budget you make another one uh the second movie i will say that one performed less than the first uh and it made 180 million 141 okay okay third movie this one domestic 80 million 104 million okay i was the closest maybe to that one um interesting yeah so it made 104 million domestic international National 311 Worldwide $415 on $145 million budget.
Starting point is 00:29:53 Remember, you've got to double that for marketing. Sure. So what's 140, or 140 and 140 is what, 280? 280. So about $2.90 million. So 300 million. So this movie profited maybe about $115 million. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:30:08 And then, remember, they got to take a portion for the theater. So it didn't make 115, made less than that. They can't have made a ton off. It's so interesting. I feel like, too, this is this. the shortest one. It definitely is the shortest one. Because that's another thing. I feel like it felt so quick. I really
Starting point is 00:30:25 like the pirate vibes. I really like that we're going Navy with this. I like this idea that like, oh, the, you know, the hidden islands and then the lands that lie beyond. We don't know anything about that stuff and there's this fog that's moving things around. There are like so many fantastical and cool ideas and interesting places to go and interesting
Starting point is 00:30:41 set pieces. And I do feel as though they could have utilized a little extra time to A, give the character beats some actual weights you feel like you're going like these should feel a little bit like books and this one i think felt the most like a movie yeah which like it should be a bridge between those media and it should be you know obviously we've seen good examples of both but yeah it's like i it's weird i don't know i feel like i saw a cut down version of something that has all the potential to be as rich as
Starting point is 00:31:09 hope it would be and as light as it is appropriate to be given who the target audience is what do you think uh last uh one and then we'll do trivia what do you think it got on right tomatoes first for the critics and then we'll go audience what with this one this one for air i'll give you this the first one uh from the critics got a 75 sure the second one got a 66 really yeah what do you think this one got critics interesting interesting uh 46 john what a guess my man 49 49 percent i can see that i can see that audience i'm you know what i am fascinated by and And it's not a pure 50, but like any movie that gets like around or right on 50% on Rotten Tomatoes is like a fat is fascinating to me because I feel like that's where you start to get your truly divisive stuff. Right.
Starting point is 00:32:01 And, and yeah, I feel like this is just on the lower side of that to me where I'm like, yeah, this is in a lot of ways kind of a 50-50 experience because I'm like, ah, like the stuff that's good, like there's some really good stuff in here. And then the stuff that I don't know, I feel like this could have, because it seems like they're so aware that they're. ending it after this, that I feel like this could have felt more rounded, I guess, and more cathartic and more, you know, hard won, I suppose. I guess that's the thing is like this, I really like the sea serpent thing. And again, a lot of the lore and the journey and, oh, we're fighting the swords. And there's this pool that turns things to gold. It's, yeah, it's, the first couple, I feel like, once they built up to their, like,
Starting point is 00:32:44 big epic battles, you really did feel like you were doing some, something, heavy and this one certainly like approach to that but the the like heft of it has dissipated more quickly and also too i will say this obviously i know that they're going to win in the end in the battle but i still always felt the stakes in those first two films in those battles uh whereas this one like yeah the serpent is scary uh that they're facing in the sea and it's awesome but like i never ever once felt that threat level personally for me and i felt the spectacle more than the stakes there you a lot of the time there i think as how i would describe this yeah like it looked cool
Starting point is 00:33:20 but like I never felt threatened for them personally yeah yeah that's a good idea um sorry what do you the last thing and then I'll get to the trivia what do you think the audience score gave this this film
Starting point is 00:33:33 rotten tomatoes 66 58 58 okay all right all right let's get into the trivia the drawings of the characters during the end critics are the exact drawings that appeared in the book this is a tribute to Pauline Baines the series
Starting point is 00:33:48 illustrator who passed away on August 2nd, 2008 at 85 rest of the piece. She was credited. Yeah. Okay. They gave her a little memoriam credit. Scander Keane's last film before he quit acting. Is that Edmund? It's Edmund. I like him. Like, it's funny. I've increasingly
Starting point is 00:34:04 liked his abilities as a performer in these movies. What does he do now? I wonder. Well, let us know. If you know. Great name on you and thank you for your service. I liked your portrayal. When Susan writes from America, a picture of the... uh, pevencies, rests on the table for her. This is a candid behind the scenes shot of the four actors from the previous film, The Chronicles and Ernie of Prince Caspian.
Starting point is 00:34:27 Interesting. Fun. Michael Apted chose to remove Prince Caspian's Spanish accent as he didn't like it and it didn't do the character service. I did notice that, but I didn't see. That's right. He did not, he did not have a Spanish accent. That's funny. I didn't even think about it. I mean, Ben Barnes, I thought he's, again, good performance on, on him. I liked his performance. And he certainly, they did a nice, like, it's just happenstance and his hairstyling. But, like, in the previous movie, he does feel like more like a kid or a teen being thrust into this leadership position. And then coming back to this, it does feel like, oh, yeah, he's definitely grown into this leadership position. That's cool.
Starting point is 00:35:06 After The Chronicles of Narnia, Prince Caspian, did not fare as well as expected at the box office, John. The Walt Disney Company decided for budgetary and logistical reasons. not to co-produce and co-finance this or any of the following chapters of the Narnia series. Ironically, they would eventually own the film by acquiring 20th Century Fox in 2019. Loll, that's funny. Well, it's interesting because this was made by 20th Century Fox,
Starting point is 00:35:31 which is now owned by Disney, yet this is on Max. Yeah. I bet there's like a Wright soup that this movie has. Interesting. A rice salad. Yeah. It all came back to Disney in the end. Or I guess not in terms of,
Starting point is 00:35:45 but I just mean. Disney Warner, Zah, who... Yeah, same thing. They're all part of the same monopoly. When the main characters are all sitting, looking at the stars, and commenting that they have never seen those constellations before,
Starting point is 00:35:56 Aslons' face appears in the stars. No, it is Mufasa. It was Mufasa. What were you? No, you pointed that out. You caught that during the movie. That was an Easter egg. Oh, I thought that was kind of...
Starting point is 00:36:09 Those visual storytelling, in fact. In the book, The Islands with the Water that can transform anything into gold in the enchanted golden treasure upon which Eustace stumbles are two separate locations. The filmmakers deliberately merge the two islands into one destination for running time and budgetary concerns.
Starting point is 00:36:26 Interestingly, the two magical sites are both tests of greed. Yeah, I feel like that also could have been, I feel like that is a thread that got muddy and could have been very strong. Because, yeah, you have, you have certain deadly sins in here
Starting point is 00:36:48 you have pride greed certainly there's again in a family accessible environment I don't know what the right word is for lust that's like a little bit more toned down but you know even that's kind of what Lucy is is experiencing to some degree yeah I feel like there are a lot of those little deadly sins lessons that
Starting point is 00:37:05 that you know emerge but are kind of garbled in how they truncate the story greed will imprison us all John true well and gluttony yes put these dudes to sleep michael at fighting although i guess the blue fairy was on the up and up michael apted had been
Starting point is 00:37:22 warned by gore vrbinski and peter weir not to film on the open seas as it's simply been too problematic and unpredictable a giant gimbal was constructed instead so the don treader set could rock as if at sea i wonder what he if he got advice from stephen spielberg because that was a fun shoot for jaws oh sure
Starting point is 00:37:40 same same kind of ship yeah uh yeah right after the children have returned home you can hear eustace's mother saying his friend jill pool had come over jill pool would later accompany eustace to narnia in the silver chair and the last battle gotcha okay copy that let's go to spoilers i wonder if they intended for will poulter to like take on the franchise i i mean that'd be my guess uh in the books Dill is the daughter of Raman Doo, the resting star. After the sleeping lords awoke when the spell was broken, Caspian took Lillandil back to Narnia, where they married. Lillandale became his queen, and she gave birth to Caspian's son and heir, Prince Rillian.
Starting point is 00:38:26 What? A green serpent attacked and slew Lillandil. After her death, Lillandil went to Aslan's country and reunited with Caspian and Rillian following the end of Narnia. Wowie. does make me curious to go back and read these again this one's way too long I'll just do one more
Starting point is 00:38:45 King Caspian Ben Barnes Eventually marries Lillandil I'm saying this right Lillendie Lillandie sorry guys Lillandie the daughter Or at least there wasn't the movie Yeah
Starting point is 00:38:56 It's very Tolkien Lillandie The daughter of Ramandu A star as revealed in the Chronicles of Narnie of the Silver Chair In the 2007 movie starred us He Barnes plays a young Dunstan Thorne
Starting point is 00:39:08 the father of Tristan Thorne, Charlie Cox, whose character is later revealed to be a king and who marries Yvain, Claire Dane's, a star. Fascinating. It all is connected. And one is the Punisher's villain. The other one is Punisher's friend. It's all connected.
Starting point is 00:39:23 That's right. Anyways, guys, I guess this is... I guess for now. I'm annoyed. They brought that little girl along. Like, I thought Lucy was going to get to do something. I thought Lucy was going to... Like, she's so integral to the wonder.
Starting point is 00:39:38 And then they do that, like that whole thing where she's beholding the library, turning in snow. Like, it's beautiful. And like, I don't know. Missed opportunity. But I still, you know what? I still enjoyed the series. So many opportunities for little character threads. You could have, this could have been great.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Damn it, Marcus and the Phillie. Anyways, guys, this is for now, at least, I mean, we've heard that they're possibly, yeah, we've heard that they are possibly redoing the series or something. Oh, they're doing it. It's got a release day. It's coming November, 2026. Greta Gerwig. a movie, I guess. Oh, it's a movie. I thought it was a series on Netflix or something, but I guess it's a movie. Okay, so I would assume unless something happens that John Nizio and myself, most likely will be on that, but we shall see. Anyways, we hope you guys enjoyed this, or the whole series that we did, three out of the seven that we did of this. If you're still here, we appreciate it. You guys are awesome, the best. John, it's always a pleasure. My brother from another mother. That portrait gag was truly great. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, that was simple little math. That was my favorite how it was come.
Starting point is 00:40:40 The water was coming out and hitting the actors. I thought that was great. And then a young Will Poulter we got. I appreciate it. There's some good stuff. There's some stuff to appreciate. There's some stuff to appreciate. It's that thing where the good stuff just makes you wish like,
Starting point is 00:40:55 that the rest of the stuff was on its level. Yeah. Anyways, what did you guys think? What is your favorite film in the series? What do you think of this one? Let us know some other films. You would like John, myself, the rest of the team. to react to. We'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below, as always. Stay safe. Be well.
Starting point is 00:41:14 Be logical. Prosper. Find the swords. Don't let the fog. Look for the blue star. Look for the blue star. All right. Peace out, guys. Later. Mikhail Linden. Oh, damn. If we took advantage of the travel show. Dude, we're coming to visit. We really should give a heads up to like the patrons. Well, yeah, if you don't want to do it. There's a bit of a story here that's happening in the shoutout so you might be confused to say you know just watch them all every month especially lately with the shoutouts we've done a little bit of a different it's been like slightly different in approach and this month has been a very linear it's been very building longer but undoubtedly more enjoyable too michael linden that's weird it not to say that
Starting point is 00:42:01 it wasn't enjoyable it just i guess it started to feel a little bit like um trying to come up with comedy at a dead end you know search like you're out of like oh my god you're just kind of running out of shit to say but the same kind of jokes
Starting point is 00:42:14 and you don't really get to talk to these guys you know whereas now it's more like what's happening here and now what happened in the previous shadow what's happening in the world what's happening in your profile picture
Starting point is 00:42:24 like you look you look like you're somebody told you to look over here yeah and they took the picture in a good way it's very candid but he's um Sweden yeah and you can take us
Starting point is 00:42:37 to Switzerland to this day I still go yeah I don't really know what the difference is between what they look like sure and then you could teach us though we were pitching when I went to Zurich was that Switzerland I think so yes right I don't pay attention to where I go I think so Jamie nine hour flights I pull up Zurich hope for the best I mean you know if you're flying nine hours this is really matter where you're right is in Switzerland yeah so so mikhail but I just stayed there that's why I think beautiful I mean I mean, I guess it is that interesting thing of like, oh, cool, I'm here. I'm across the world.
Starting point is 00:43:12 I'm seeing one place. I'm still across the world. But also, what else lies beyond? And in Europe, you can get to all kinds of countries, you know, like way quicker than you would expect. Yeah. When people were like, I saw like three countries in a couple days, I'm like, damn. Yeah, when Paul met up with Ryan, he was telling me, like, yeah, I just got to take a train
Starting point is 00:43:35 over. because he's in London and Ryan was in Scotland sure and like oh that's cool yeah just like a yeah pop on over to Berlin like I don't like I don't even like driving 10 minutes
Starting point is 00:43:48 when it's 5 p.m. Yeah yeah yeah yeah 10 minutes gonna be a lot longer than 10 I'm sure enough it's gonna be pain in the ass kit so oh my God that's why I love how screenings is what's suck about auditioning
Starting point is 00:44:00 when you're like an actor right here they're like come in 4 p.m. you know yeah I'm going to come in 5 p.m. Coming 4.5 p.m. Wait a while, be in the room for like five minutes. It's probably the most stressful part because that's,
Starting point is 00:44:14 you're so much traffic you got in content with. Well, and to get to anywhere in like Hollywood or L.A. to get to there in the 4 to 5 o'clock realm, it means you have to account for the window of time where things are ramping up and actively changing. And then you get to 4 or 5 and it's like thick-ass rush hour traffic. but yeah you're in the you're in the variable time
Starting point is 00:44:39 where it's like it's after morning where you know it's going to be open and it's right before it's going to get too thick but like yeah anything can happen and that's stressful because then sometimes you get lucky and you're super early sometimes you get unlucky and you're not maybe
Starting point is 00:44:54 maybe Mikhail has to deal with that one going on Swedish auditions you know where are you what's the Swedish film industry like What is this is? Are you in a fast food restaurant? It look it kind of looks like it Are you in a kitchen or in a hospital? It's one of the two. Yeah
Starting point is 00:45:16 Wow and all these time these years four years I've never pulled your photo up to look like like this close at it all this time I'm making eye contact with you I haven't even a clue what you actually sound That would be, I want to know. Like, we've been pitching the idea of doing like a Conan O'Brien Must Go type show where we just visit patrons across the world and you show us the world. And like we could hear your, I imagine you have like a lovely accent.
Starting point is 00:45:50 Yeah. You know, like a soft but lovely kind of. Is that an EKG machine? I can't tell if you're in the kitchen of like a McDonald's or if you're, yeah, in like some kind of medical facility. like what I meant that bin behind you I'm like is that an open cardboard box or is that like a receptacle for hypodermic needles
Starting point is 00:46:10 this is a perfect profile pick for anything because it's the full range you know do you have like gainful vastly important employee or do you have gainful still pretty important employee all right I think there's 21 people to shout out we got three more people to go
Starting point is 00:46:28 and we're just getting started four minutes It's okay. Probably two minutes of dead space. It'll keep it all in one project for me. It's good.

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