The Reel Rejects - THE IRON CLAW MOVIE REVIEW!!!

Episode Date: February 20, 2024

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on Apple and Spotify. Frank is crying. So, I was like, okay, that was a sad scene early on. I remember what the first one of it was

that I cried. And I was like, I think it's done. All right. I think I got. Oh, shit. It's just getting way sadder.

We've been off frame this whole time. He's here left at the time. It doesn't matter. We'll, we know. We'll do it. All right, I need to get my thoughts composed. They say crying is good for you.

Oh, that ending with the boys. We cry all the time. Oh, shit. I was like, you boys are going to be great psychologists. We're going to change the millennium of men forever to allow yourselves to cry. I think we are in a day and age now where, you know, like, when a woman cries, it's like, ah, women crying. You know, and I think it's becoming, if anything, I, sometimes I see comments that can be, like, negative. myself or wanter crying but i think it's you know once in a while we get comments right i see

tweets or people are like hey you make me feel comfortable and okay to cry and i think we're in a day and age where more men are feeling more comfortable to cry so that was a touching ass scene at the end especially seeing in the boy holy shit it's getting to me i got to get through well that could have gone through either way with uh him continuing his father's behavior yeah his kids made sure that that didn't happen, you know? Yeah. All right, before we look up facts about this movie. Yeah, I brought Olivia on because, I mean, clearly if you guys watch the reaction,

she would help fill in some context of things that I, like, didn't understand with wrestling. But I think even if, this is clearly a movie that even if you don't follow wrestling, you can easily, like, I enjoy watching episodes at the dark side of the ring more than I do watching actual wrestling. Like it's a documentary and it's really dark and I love the story behind. You love the trauma behind it. I mean, a lot of people do. There's a lot of seasons.

There's a lot of episodes for a reason because people love that. It's a good story. They tell it. It's very compelling dark shit that you're watching. It's true. It's stuff. But so, yeah, you know, once in a while you show me stuff that I'm into. I've been watching that stuff with Cody and the rock.

I told you the other day, we got to go back to attitude. era, yeah, WWE. But for this story, where to begin with it, it started off in a way that,

like, I think who is this director, written and directed by the same guy? Really? What has he done in the past? I'm very curious to find out. Because he is a phenomenal director.

Read those off to me. I can't see. Iron Claw, Dead Ringers, the rental, I haven't heard of any of these movies. Dead ringers sound familiar. What did he direct?

Dead ringers, the Ness. I don't know what any of these movies are. Keep reading. South Cliff is a miniseries. Martha Marcy May, Marlene. Is this nominated for any Oscars? I don't think so. I think it's been a big, like, direct.

I think it's been like a big snub. Because, yeah, I think from a writing, I think from a writing and directing standpoint, as we talk, this is one of those movies where you would look so much at the performances and the story was so engaging from beginning to end. But the directing on it was so solid. Everything felt very authentic. It was, it breathed really well.

This was a movie that could have easily gone. down into tragedy porn but the movie I think did such a great job at illustrating um the love in a way that wasn't like hey hey tragedies around the corner this is the love right now because it was always going for such a sense of uh realism because it were weaving it out of the troubles and the hardship and the emotional abuse but it was also about the kinship of of the brothers that that love. And it did a great job of using the wrestling as a storyline to interwoven into their personal lives as well, you know?

Yeah. Like using the moment of, you can see like the shifts breaking when David is offered. When the dad starts to favor David, you know, you see that in the wrestling ring and then it translates out of it. Yeah, great moments because they use the promo. That's the second you see him great on the mic, you're like, oh, this is going to be a problem. And sure enough, it becomes slowly over time a problem.

It's like the allegory for the real wrestling ring was in the family household. Right. I think it's fascinating because I know the history of a lot of wrestling families. What did you know before we watch this? So I knew that almost all of them were dead, died in tragic circumstances. I thought one of them was in a wheelchair. The details were kind of... Correct.

Okay. I thought, in my mind, I thought one of them was in a wheelchair. I thought Kevin wasn't a wheelchair. I must have. But I have not seen the dark side of... I know there's an episode, but I haven't seen it. I just knew that all of the brothers, like... And I knew the dad owned a promotion, and then they had to sell it.

I knew that. But I, and I knew one of them. I didn't know two committed. I thought one of them did. Uh-huh. So... On YouTube, we have to... It's not say that word.

Yeah. I will mental note to mute that word for this. I knew one of them... Unalived himself. Because you're talking in terms of sensitive context. Yeah. They're like, whoa, what did you just say? So stupid.

Yeah, but I didn't realize that two of them had. And I knew one of them died through tragic circumstances like right before. that is shocking it really does feel like a curse at that point yeah and you know there's like all kinds of spiritual aspects that people can believe of you know like oh that that that belief was so strong that they attracted upon themselves or just coincidence or shit just happens or it's fate or you know whatever it might be regardless it is tragic circumstances that befell all of them and i think it's easier to look at it as a curse instead of a family spiraling out of control with the circumstances surrounding them, you know? Well, it seems like it was the curse was really the dad's belief system

more than anything else. Like you see the, I think that's what like Lily James, the Pam was trying to say to Zach Gaffron throughout this whole movie was that the curse is not real, that you are in charge of breaking. The curse is generational trauma. The curse is becoming like your dad. The versus avoiding us to curse is this. Because like the ripple, like while a lot of these were, a lot of the tragedies that would come into their lives were pertained to the, the wrestling side of things that would happen, whether that be the pressure,

you know, like people taking certain substances and getting addicted to things that would deteriorate their body and not taking care of their mental health. I'm using like the most lack of better word choices here for all these things. But yeah, regardless, a lot of it wasn't allowing. them to like take care of themselves truly physically and truly mentally and emotionally that they were deteriorating and there was a lot of self-sabotaging and some awful things uh happen to them

and that was because of the way they were raised and that was because of the way they as tight of a family unit as they were they were with their dad i think this point does a really good job at psychologically illustrating all that that the dad used to be a painter or a musician he used to be a musician and he shames his son for going down that career path and uh he is a lot of projecting and wanting his kids to fulfill his dreams, the vicariously through them and never an acknowledgement of emotions. And I think like that's one of the movie's messages.

I think it's like if there's anything that's on the nose in a way that's, I feel is very earned is the drawing the line in the sand between what the dad is like with making everyone a hardcore avoidant saying like, don't cry even at the brothers, the first brother's death funeral. Yeah. Take your sunglasses off. Yeah. To then going to.

the boys showing that no this is going to change right here that we are going to allow ourselves to feel our feelings we are going to allow our and i think so much of the message is about like there's a lot of like toxic masculinity you know like i'm using real simplistic terms but this is really painted in a way that i thought was so psychologically well done uh with with the what the direction being so interesting because while they're treated so real they did have kind of reminds me a little bit of it follows in a way of like the way the camera works like there's something what there's always something kind of like voyeuristic and the way the camera was done like i remember there's one shot where it's it's like the cameras in the passenger seat it's whenever zach effron's driving on

the road he passes someone in the car and the camera pans over as if it's like a pov of someone but it's not there's no one else in the car with him and so they they treat the like the pov is that or like it's the curse watching over them trying to seep into them you or even that shot where you're not it doesn't specifically show the dad is the one looking at all of the brothers down below playing you know but it's more of like a Michael Myers-esque like oh that killer's watching them through the window and then he comes out and he's like you're getting your shot at the belt like yeah it's like praying yeah yeah no it was a really interesting shot film that also but it never got to the point where I would call it pretentious in there no it it it breathes really

And it gives you the space to fill the emotions of the movie without shoving it down your throat. Yeah, because this is a real hard line. You got to ride. Yeah. You know, and it is a great job, too, at throwing into the wrestling matches. Because the wrestling matches, I, yeah, I would get pulled into the storyline and, you know, fighting for something that ultimately makes you feel empty, I thought was great. Because he, like, that's what I loved about what I think, with Zach Efron, you know, him being the performance everyone was talking about. He's the main character of the film as Kevin.

I think he really understood the assignment of the purpose of getting in shape to like really making his body shaping his body to be the like that what is should be a wrestler yeah well this idea and and also because like this is as you see in the movie like he draws his

he throws all of his pain and avoidance into his body you know so the the physicality was more than just hey look can Zach Ephron buffing up yet again and just a different body type it was so integral to the characters as a physical

representation of the hardship and pain and commitment and discipline like there's so much about it but man he gave such a great subtle performance yeah I think all of their performances is really well even Lily James now I keep thinking

Lily Thomas and she was the one part of the movie I wish we got to know a little more about though she was kind of just like good support of woman, you know. But I feel like she spoke up when needed to. She wasn't, I feel like if we focused too much on her would have taken away the brother aspect that the film is really leaning heavily into. Sure.

So I think she was in just the right amount because she's not supposed to be what ultimately brings him out of this generational trauma. He's supposed to do that himself with her guidance. Does that make sense? Yeah. And so, yeah, I actually. didn't mind that at all. I wish we had gotten more of the mom. I was just trying to say what I thought other women would want me to say, but that apparently wasn't the case. What about the mom?

I said, I wish we'd gotten more of the mom and the mom's backstory. That's so funny because I feel like she was appropriately used because she's become a shell of her. She was so dejected. She is just living in the, and her husband's projection of everything. Well, they all are, yeah. She fell in love with a man who he is not anymore, you know, because it sounds like they were like high school lovers. Was he ever that man, though, is the question. It seems like he rejected it. I mean, she always saw him for who he could be internally.

And then he just kept losing the side of that. But, you know, people got divorced way less back then. True, true. It would still stay together. They all had really great chemistry, all of the brothers, all the actors. They have really good chemistry with each other. Yeah. they were they really felt like that's so important for this movie yeah yeah for them to really feel like

brothers yeah and i think a lot of attention goes to zach effron not just because he's the main character because it's zach effron and he doesn't feel like he's trying to win an oscar you know what i mean well he's not going to so he's not going to it's not but you know sometimes you see a role like this you're like what a bummer because he's really good i know you're like oh shit he got jipped because he's fucking amazing in this movie um but it's not Not like a look at me performance, you know? It's such an internal, as much as this like a physical on the athletic side, it's in terms of the emotional side, it's a very internal performance. I think they do a great job of using the eyes to express emotion throughout the film. Like they do a lot of closeups on the blue eyes of Jeremy Allen White and Zach Efron. Like that moment in the ring where he's got the claw on him and he won't let go. There's just a lot of eye work there, you know? Eyes are the window to the soul for a reason.

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like we have like the IMDB trailer, just like on looper. I know. And it reminded me of like some of the earlier scenes in the movie where you would see the dad once in a while. You could see the dad wasn't like this one note asshole. Like there were times like they're playing football together. you could see them really bonding and even as when the dad buys them a car at the very beginning of the movie when it's in black and white when his dad's a competitive wrestler you could see why they would they didn't just live in fear they also still love their dad despite how much they have probably harbored a lot of hate hatred towards their dad as well everyone everyone was so good in this movie all the performances that i mean fucking the dad i mean i was a holt is like he's so good he's so good in the movie yeah everyone's great in this very

film but even the shots of like just watching this there's that the start of the film where they're all together walking out to the ring and that still plays throughout but then one slowly goes away and then the other one goes away and then it's just him walking out to the ring by himself it's like that storyline carries into the wrestling aspect of it as well um i thought i just think it's brilliantly done yeah i think everything about it was wonderfully shot yeah it was wonderfully captured and uh all everyone was great not just zach effron everyone was amazing is the mandible claw which is the man a move mankind uses who's another wrestler is that a play that i'm asking your your followers there your subscribers is that a play on the iron claw

because i think the mandible claw is in the mouth whereas the iron claws just like on the head the claw but i think there it's like maybe a callback to it i'm not sure what does it say here all my glasses on outside of his act traitor ryan neveth is a professional work wrestler who's Ryan Nebeth? Who's Ryan Nebeth? The Hollywood Honk on AEW. Kevin's sons

are actual wrestlers too. Oh, no way. M.J. F. is in this movie? Where? Oh. Wait, why is this on here? He was signed with all. Who's Maxwell? Yeah, I know that, but

why is he in here? I guess he was in the movie Maxwell Friedman MJF he's from AEW he's a great he's great

but why is there usually these wrestling movies have like a real life wrestler he plays one of them really who I don't recognize his face that's him that's him

that's 10 seconds he's in it for 10 seconds oh as who I have no idea Oh, it was cut. Oh. It was a cut cameo. That makes more sense because I'm like, I feel like I would have noticed

MJF. Oh, that's interesting. He's a very popular wrestler currently in AEW. Oh, we'll look up what happened later. Director Sean Durkin instructed Zach Gaffont to refrain from crying until the last day of shooting when the final scene was shot. Wow, no wonder that when I saw him cry. I was like, you got me going to go.

Oh, yeah. The movie makes a scene that Mike Von Erich only starts wrestling due to David's death and carries amputation. The real Mike actually made his ring debut in 1983 before both events. You got to make the narrative if you know. I was like, ah, that doesn't bother me, actually. The Patriarch of the Von Erk family died of cancer. Oh, okay. So that's what happened in.

97 of age of 68. His firstborn son was shocked and drowned in a puddle. Wait a minute. It says five of his six. So is there a missing brother in this? Did they not put a brother in this movie? Right? Is my math right?

Yeah. There was little Jack Jr. And then there was four. Look, there's Chris. We're missing Chris. Oh. Oh, interesting. Oh, three of them, three of them on alive themselves.

Wow. Yeah. Holy shit. Damn. This is worse. I know. I'm like, whoa. He's just like reading this to herself

It's just quiet Like This is good So this is the Gino Hernandez And Brewery Yeah Gino Hernandez

And Bruiser Brody Two wrestlers most Relative to the Von Ergs died That's why I was like That's it Brody had like a horrific Death It was also I think on an episode of

Dark Side of the Ring But Oh listen to this one There's a two year gap between the night the foot was oh interesting you got to make the narrative that's what the coin is for i didn't pick that up i thought it was like paying the toll to get to the other side but it's to reference the flip the coin flip oh yeah well don't worry it'll create engagement in the comments and they won't make it this far from while they're a comment placing you

true. You got it wrong. No, actually. She's not paying the toll. Actually. That's fine. I didn't pick up on it. I was like,

I thought it was the myth of paying the toll. You don't need to have wrestling information to pick up on that. And I completely missed it. I also took a Greek mythology course. So I thought you were right. I was like, whoa, it's a great ghost. Yeah, I heard that. I loved it.

I thought that was a really great movie. Man, really got me in the fields. Sometimes, you know, he's sitting into a drama and you're like, it's going to be some like slow-ass boring, like, let's just hammer home the tragedy kind of shit. And I was like, no, this is a really engaging. It's just, all in all, it's a really engaging and maybe it's not the most appropriate word to say, but it is an entertaining film too, you know, like simultaneously. Yeah, I think it's also entertaining.

Wrestling is entertainment at the end of the day, you know? Yeah, so, I mean, I thought it was just going to be like some slow moving drama. It's actually also a really engaging, entertaining experience simultaneously. So, yeah, I guess I just, I craved a little bit more from Lily James. You craved a little bit more from the mom. Yeah. And that's about my only real. That's my only.

I think it's brilliant otherwise. I'm like, give it like a 99% that was an excellent film. That's got to be one of my favorite movies of this 2023, actually, I think. Is it? It's got to be one of my favorite movies in 2023. Yeah, it's incredible. Just John Wickford. You know how much I love generational trauma.

Yeah. Delving into why we should break generational trauma curses. So I love this film. Oh, you're here, babies. Thanks, babes. I think it's perfect for us to watch. I know. Usually we watch, like, something silly.

It's the first time I think we watched me so serious together. And it's all because I watched wrestling. You're the perfect person to watch us with it. Oh, my gosh. All right. You got to go check on our cats. Thank you guys so much for being here. Leave your thoughts down below.

I'll talk to you all soon. Eric Horsman. Eric. My man, Eric Horstman. Cheers to you, buddy. Cheers to you. I still have fantasies about just going out to Atlanta and meeting you in person. I think about it.

That could have been a much more interesting fantasy. A few times a month. The problem is right now, I am restricted on travel, which is True. Uh-oh. Because of crime. It was a crime that I committed. I am legally not allowed to leave my house.

And that would be the perfect time because you have more free time than ever before. That's true. So, like, really, this was the one opportunity that we could have come visited you, Greg, especially. But, dude, I want to see that tattoo in person. And then what I'm going to do, there's going to be some cyanide involved. Sure. And that's when I bring my... Underknife to Atlanta.

There we go. And then I carve off the patch like you're a zombie from Walking Dead. It's us or Eric Horsman. I wear your skin on my arms. Leather sup. That way I don't have to commit to the tattoo in case I don't want it. Yeah, just get it laminated. Strap it, Velcro it on.

Stapler. Staple your skin. Like Texas Jansaw. God, I don't think they do that. It's romantic, but it's really, really sweet. Stable your skin to my skin. It's like you're together.

I bet you like that. And then I attend your funeral. Oh, with the pit with it on. Yeah, but I have my suit jacket on. No one could tell. But then the camera slowly zooms in on my arm. And the capacity drops. And you see, my tattoo is still there.

This, yeah, you see. The x-ray vision of the sleep. Because it's the audience perspective now. Yeah, of course. We do like one of those Guy Ritchie shots where it goes up your cuff and then somehow inside your shirt we see it. That's what I'm talking about, baby. And then like we cut to the inside of the coffin. I am you.

And then when everyone's gone, I carve off your face. Oh. Then I wear your face every night and I sleep in it. And then I'll carve off like the lower half of your body and make some necro pants. Google Necropans That's a real thing And you could be one Can't wait to wear you

I want to wear you so bad I want to wear you so bad