The Reel Rejects - THE LAST OF US 2x06 Blind Review! TLOU Season 2 Episode 6

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Starting point is 00:01:15 This is a feel good show Roxanne What are you even doing here? What am I doing here? questioning all the life choices that led you to this moment it just did a beautiful job of invoking what you're supposed to invoke when you make a thing which is just feeling you're supposed to invoke emotion and that's all this show does like in two three four i think i was just pissed as hell and then you know here it's so emotionally pulling you towards this is how these two characters feel and the dynamics between them from three years ago to where we are now and just dumping us in the present time in a storm. But prior to that, what they really get across is the understanding and the love they had for each other.

Starting point is 00:02:15 I mean, the first, the birthday, it's like it's showing how much he really knows her. And what a blessing that is for her because she's going to be not known or understood, especially with her being gay and not really out about it. And now he's like, do you like her? Does Dina like you? She doesn't know. I mean, she's in this tumultuous time and where, like, her whole life blows up where she's, you know, a teenager doing drugs, experimenting, although it's not experimenting at all.

Starting point is 00:02:46 She's gay. And just to bring us back into that light of, showing us that is human nature we cannot live in the beauty of joll and ellie forever we want to we can't because it's not real life and this show does a real good job of making you kick rocks and get back to reality that's a good way to put that that's what they did i would agree i would agree this was a very very emotionally charged episode, a lot of air, a lot of space. And I do, very curious to see how this season will play on a rewatch. But I do appreciate a bit of a Roshaman or a bit of a like, okay, we've gone to a certain depth as of the previous episode.

Starting point is 00:03:38 Let's go back. A, we spend some time without Joel. Let's reward our audience with having Pedro Pescal back on screen. I just love to see him. And what a performance this will like. an episode like this zeroes back into the heart of the show which is you know the the bond between Joel and Ellie and to give us it's interesting I don't know a ton of specifics about the disposition of the story of the game but I do know that they have done a fair amount of remixing

Starting point is 00:04:08 of where information is delivered and how and I'm curious to know how this relationship is portrayed in the game because what I understand is we know a lot more about Abby right now as an watching the show than we would at this point playing the game here with Joel and Ellie to come back and to realize that like the major parts of the action of the season

Starting point is 00:04:30 and the loss of Joel are all coming on the heels of the confrontation and the commitment to like trying to move past it is like yeah it's like mad heartbreaking because you're like oh after so long the truth has been allowed to fester

Starting point is 00:04:46 and has been covered up and it took and unreal like I like that at least as I took this in you get a natural growth of Ellie where yeah like at first they're enjoying the beautiful lovely gift that is their time together to doing this whole thing going to the natural history you know museum thing whatever and doing the space you know capsule and all that it's like so beautiful and the bonding is so great and yeah she is growing up she's probably getting sick of being in the same you know like all those sheens wear off and regular life sets in and and you want to spread your wings and fly and transform metamorph. And then a totally other situation can arise that, yeah, gets to the heart of something else. And I thought it was really poetic. The way they did that, she's, like, trying to confront him. And some other situation arises that demonstrates the same kind of thing

Starting point is 00:05:40 she's trying to confront, and then it all comes out from there. Like, just the human tumble of it all. It was quite striking. I feel like, again, in recency bias, like I'll be excited to chew on this for a week. It definitely has me back in that place that episodes two at three where I'm like, man, I feel heavy right now. But as, you know, both of these seasons have had,

Starting point is 00:06:03 I think everybody points to episode three in the first season as being like a particularly emotionally saturated and spotlit and sort of centered episode. And this felt a lot like that. It was a cool like anthology, but then to tie it back in to see the pain the confrontation the you know again commitment to the attempt at wanting to maybe forgive this somewhere down the line and then yeah just see ellie in full terminator mode after which we know she did last week it's like i can almost imagine a yo-yo coming the exact opposite way around because

Starting point is 00:06:34 the way she tells what is that care the the girl the the the one she's beating up at the end of the last episode in the way she's like i know what he did and she very much nora yeah she very much seems in that moment to own what he did in a way that is not, you know, again, she's, you know, being aggressive and puffed up and, you know, and wanting to be intimidating. But it is still an interesting sentiment, this idea of this thing that caused such a rift, it was such a, you know, traumatic deceit for her in this present moment. She's almost like embraced to the fullest. And, I don't know, just hints.

Starting point is 00:07:14 I'm curious to see. Yeah, where this emotional knot works out. Roxanne, I feel like you've got big thoughts over here. I kind of also simultaneously have no thoughts. Sure. This was like the worst episode of TV ever, and it's like maybe the best episode of TV this year I felt like. Put that on the poster.

Starting point is 00:07:37 Put that on the DVD box. I think that when somebody dies and you have not been able to reconcile with something, it is almost impossible to move. move on and then we're watching her not be able to move on right now and this like kind of made it make a lot more sense of why she can't move on because she says I don't think I can ever forgive you but I would like to try and then he's gone and so her trying is all on her and she doesn't get him there to help do part of the heavy lifting and no closure I think that you know like there seems to be two really strong sides of people watching this show, people who think what Joel did was wrong and people who agree with what Joel did. And I think Tara, based on what she's verbalized, it felt very like in Joel's corner about what he did. John, you as like an empath, have been very, like, well-rounded about how you feel. And I have just, like, felt so angry that I don't even know that I've been able to, like, really come to grips with it. But I,

Starting point is 00:08:45 I think that if, you know, if this was me, I think it's very clear that I, to me, my people are my people. And they matter to me more than everybody else. And that might be totally wrong. That might be totally wrong. It's just what I relate to, putting your people first. And that's what Joel does. And it seemingly is what Ellie does. And is that a learned behavior possibly?

Starting point is 00:09:10 I think that that song, you know, if I were to ever lose you. I would surely lose myself. I think that's what we're about to see. And I don't think that Ellie can make it out of this alive. That's a, yeah, like a touchstone for the both of them. Yeah. It's like Joel's confronted with that at the end of the first season, that sentiment. And now Ellie is living that sentiment now.

Starting point is 00:09:32 Yeah, because, you know, as much as last week, I think, John, you might be the one to say it. Or maybe it was you terror about, like, the ensemble is really filling in right now. You know, with Dina and with Jesse and with Tommy and Murmie. Maria, and even with Abby and the Wolves, and all of the character, Jeffrey Wright's character, like we're just getting a lot of characters, so it feels like less of a whole, but it doesn't. Because this isn't an ensemble show. This is a show to me, no matter, even if this went for 10 more seasons without Joel, this is a show about Joel and Ellie.

Starting point is 00:10:07 Sure is. And even though he's gone, this is a show about Joel and Ellie. and the hole that somebody leaves when they are gone. But it's a show about Joel and Ellie. It is not an ensemble show. And so even if we switch perspectives to Abby and seeing what she does or even if we switch it up and Dina takes the lead, whatever,

Starting point is 00:10:29 this is a show about Joel and Ellie and it will never not be that for me. So, man, that was so brutal. That was so brutal and so fucking sad. That was like the saddest episode yet. And this was a sadder episode for me. than it was when we lost him like because you this just yeah it was so fucking sad this is coming on a week where and or was so fucking sad yeah so and i thought like oh wow that was

Starting point is 00:10:56 amazing but this to me was like primed this is what television is supposed to like you said tara make you feel and just like oh i feel like so fucked up and defeated yeah it is like very potent and the way that they I think the way they're able to draw like the the human mess in this show is quite compelling

Starting point is 00:11:17 and yeah there are certain episodes I'm always curious to go back because it was clear during the first season I feel like some episodes stood as being particularly well-rounded or particularly emotional resonant

Starting point is 00:11:33 emotionally resonant as compared to certain others and I can kind of see that happening with this season two but this seems like a high watermark episode in terms of yeah just the potency and did we know it was gonna like did you guys have any idea that today was going to be like i just feel like it's so random what this show does episode two is the biggest episode of tv of all time and then episode six is the one that like we're like fucking weeping right what i can't i can't keep up with the structure of this right i'm fascinated yet to complete the season and

Starting point is 00:12:06 then get the bird's eye view of like how the events are distributed and how they like I like an episode like this because they I think it was nicely placed because the last few have been so much like there's scars and there's the wolves and they're you know infiltrating no I agree I wasn't saying it wasn't nicely placed it's just that I didn't know it was going to be placed there I could have seen it coming no no I was not expecting this at all and I think I appreciate it makes the gut punch more effective i think because you're not anticipating what the flavor is and big hats off to joey pants man because like he was so good he's been around for a long time he's turned in some great performances but like this was a special it's kind of like the inverse of the nick offerman thing where like

Starting point is 00:12:52 that episode him and the other actors they're like they're so beautiful to watch together and they get this whole episode to to lavish in and here you know even though there's all this huge stuff going down between Ellie and Joel and there's incredible, incredible performance. Like, it also just reminds you, like, all of the cast is good. But to your point, like, when it's Ellie and Joel together in the thick of either the heights of the joy or the depths of the tragedy, like, that stuff is so potent. We could have had this episode. Like, this is why I keep going back and forth in my head, though, guys, because, like, we could have had this exact same episode and Joel hadn't died. Sure.

Starting point is 00:13:31 But then I don't know that it would have the same impact. But, like, in my brain, I just, like, almost feel I would, that's the show that I wish that we were watching. And that, to Tara's point, that is life. Like, you don't get to just live in the life that you choose that you want to live in and the happiness and that you want to live because that's not what it is. But, like, do I wish that this was episode two? And then we had episode three to then, like, talk about it. Right. Go on our rides, see how the future plays out.

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Starting point is 00:16:06 morning uh you don't know who you are right now and he closes the door after she's like i'm not experimenting you could see the regret a little bit on his face the subtlety there of like i don't know if i made the right choice there but he needs a minute and then every choice that he tries to make is is really just trying to go i accept you for her you are i love you It doesn't matter. And I want to protect you. Yes. Like any parent, you know, you're going to make mistakes along the way.

Starting point is 00:16:38 You're going to say things that just come out and you're like, crap. And, you know, that's what they're showing us here. And the bittersweetness that they leave us on is just like, it gave me goosebumps because she's just like, I'll try. And like you said, Rox, you know, she doesn't really get, she doesn't get the chance to try. But I wonder if that is some sort of a trope that we may run into of, I don't know if I can forgive you, but I'll try because I didn't get to try before. Yeah, it's an interesting theory, Tara. And there's a lot of ways that that could kind of play out.

Starting point is 00:17:18 We also know what ended up happening, which is that she went to sleep that night and she woke up the next day and he had already left for patrol. and she gives that speech where Joel and Ellie were always going to be Joel and Ellie will be fine so whatever she slept on by the next day she was feeling

Starting point is 00:17:40 like there was hope for the future and so that's how quickly you know like whatever she was processing that night after finally hearing him speak the truth that she's known in her heart for this whole time but when she says if you lie to me again

Starting point is 00:17:55 we're done We're done forever. And he doesn't. He doesn't lie to her again. He tells her the truth. And he died with her knowing the truth. Mm-hmm. And he did not take that to his grave.

Starting point is 00:18:10 I am super duper curious. Just as a side note, I know that we kind of glossed over this because it was at the beginning, but about what Tommy's knowledge on the situation is. Oh, yeah, about the bite. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:22 Because we didn't really, it wasn't made totally clear in the beginning. I think that's why we were touring back and forth. but because she said I because she's on drugs because she yeah whatever it is so he knows that she burnt herself but does he know that it was to cover up a bite but she says I want to be able to wear a t-shirt again yeah make me think that maybe he does yeah we just don't know what jol's told Tommy and what ellie's told Tommy so it is very possible that not only does Tommy know that ellie's immune but it's very possible that Joel also revealed what he did to

Starting point is 00:18:54 Tommy because that's his brother. So she might be able to reconcile some of this with Tommy. We know Tommy just came to go save her. So there's stuff that Joel might have said to him that he might be able to relay to Ellie as

Starting point is 00:19:11 if it's like her surrogate father who is already her surrogate father. Right. Pieces, yeah, it's like you can have you can almost feel the person alive for a moment in the greater context that you've never had before. from somebody close to them who would know.

Starting point is 00:19:26 And maybe he doesn't know, but maybe he can also guess, you know, like, we can all, I think about this all of the time whenever you lose somebody and you're like, I don't know how they would feel about this. Like, I don't know how they would feel about this new person in my life. I don't know how they'd feel about this career choice. And it's like, but if you know them, sometimes you do know how they would feel. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:46 Because you know them, even though they're not there for that. So Ellie has it within her. She knows Joel. She knew from this look that he was lying to her. She knows him. So she does have it within her to know how he would feel about things and to know where they could go. And so does Tommy, as Tommy says to us to the other week, that's my brother. Don't act like I don't know him.

Starting point is 00:20:05 Yeah, totally. So I'm curious how they're able to deal with all this. I'm so fucked up from this show, man. I can't, thank God, Tara, we are watching another thing after this because I cannot drive right now. It'll take us right out of it. I feel hammered right now. That's how I feel. Yeah, me too.

Starting point is 00:20:22 Like, I feel exhausted. exhausted yeah emotionally drained for sure to finish that off because i kind of left it dangling i just i really do want to give no no it's not you like i i shifted to something else and then you made some great points um both of you did uh no like it really did strike me joe again joe pantoliano is a veteran actor and a really good actor but this might be some of the finest performing i have ever seen from him maybe we he gets a guest actor nod or something at the i mean that was a really really phenomenal performance Yeah, and the way that they handled the circumstance, because it's like they do so much to let you sit there and go with your own. You're like, well, they're already talking about this conflict, and we know that this thing with Eugene is a sore spot for him and, what's her name, Gail. Is that Catherine O'Hare? Yeah, I think that's her name.

Starting point is 00:21:13 And just, yeah, like the heartbreak of like there's enough there. It's like you see Joel wanting to, yeah, like, honor Ellie's wish, but you also see him kind of grappling with the, like, well, I know what's coming, and I know what's best for everybody. And I think there's an interesting compliment to the prologue with another really terrific moment of acting from a performer.

Starting point is 00:21:35 I don't know as well. I know him mostly as being the swordsman guy from Hawkeye and Daredevil. But the dad scene at the top was excellent, too. And yeah, you had this tension of like... I can't believe you thought the kid looked like Miles Teller, though. I was staring at him. I did not see what you were talking about.

Starting point is 00:21:52 We'll rewind it back. I'll get you a side-by-side with one of those graphs that shows how their faces are the same. But there's so much tension in that scene. And I love the tenderness of that scene because you're like, is he going to blow up? Is he going to smack Joel or something? What's he going to do? And instead, it's this really vulnerable moment. And the moment where his dad seems struck with like the, oh, the fact that you had to create this lie says something to me about me as well as

Starting point is 00:22:22 you guys and then he just goes right back out to work and then that whole that sentiment comes back around about just try to do a little bit better than the people who raised you but that's to ellie man well it seems like joe yo-yo in the opposite direction whereas instead of like too much discipline it's more like I will do whatever to protect you from everything and it's like too much in the opposite direction almost right but if the lesson is to try to do better than your parents did then even though we know what he did but even if we know what Joel would have done um you know even though we saw that what will ellie do and is this show trying to say to all of us be better than the people that raised you and will that mean that she is able to practice

Starting point is 00:23:07 forgiveness with abby in any way ultimately i don't think so i don't think that's the direction we're going but can she do better and now we know she has a baby on the way because she's uh declared herself the father. Yes. So there's that too. I do have a question for you guys. When we see the the Gail scene

Starting point is 00:23:27 and then we get that moment where Ellie tells Gail the truth, do you guys think that Joel was in the right? Like do you think it would have been better to lie to her and have her believe that he killed himself and was

Starting point is 00:23:44 brave and strong? Or do you think that Ellie is right and it's not your choice to decide and you got to just say the truth and let them deal with it. I just don't think her hearing he was begging to see you and then couldn't is like it's a terrible way to just go out

Starting point is 00:24:00 like that's all she's going to think about. He was begging to see me he couldn't somebody shot him in the back of the head. So you think the lie was better? Yeah, I just think for the sake of, I don't know, everybody just I'm not trying to be like definitely lie but in that

Starting point is 00:24:16 moment I'm like I was with Joel on it. in it's a good debate i think it's a good dramatic debate because on the one hand you're like the truth is always best arguably given what just happened uh i guess it would be a lot more peaceful to go with the lie but i don't blame it's it's that thing of like this is definitely not the most helpful time to have this confrontation but maybe it is the most crucial and important time to have this I'm really torn like I I'm pretty much team Ellie on that one I'm like if we can get him back and it's not going to be a big problem or neither of us is that big risk of getting bit or something just take them back like come on totally why can't we at least walkie I don't understand why can't

Starting point is 00:25:01 you walkie and say he wants to talk to his wife can we get her out here can we get can we get me in the middle or at least find a way to maximize the time okay at least speak yeah you know like even if you say I don't it's not safe to see her, but we will let you talk to her. Yeah, yeah. Because we just had heard him walking, so we know he's capable of walking. That part bothered me. Yeah. And then I can't get the words of her, of Gail out of my head that she says, Ellie doesn't just lie. She's a liar. And she says to Tommy agree to disagree. Or was it Joel that was, this is after, no, it was Tommy. Yeah, because after Joel died, when they're sitting at the soccer court or whatever sport they were

Starting point is 00:25:39 watching, baseball, she says agree to disagree. When Tommy's like, she's not a liar, she just lied in the you guys know what i'm talking about yeah i do remember her saying that she said she said she is a liar yeah she's the one who just she told you the truth right so do you not think that's the truth but did they spin it back right yeah like yeah she in denial or is it it's it's weird knowing ellie i get why she would say that right but then knowing this moment i am like huh yeah are you in denial or is this about other stuff yeah you know because it's seems like she certainly was not kid gloves about that with Joel right i kind of hate you because what happened with you jean she's not in denial in that moment but then for her to so clearly distinguish

Starting point is 00:26:25 she didn't lie she is a liar i was like huh yeah i wonder and it doesn't the it the hint is that they don't get on super well or ellie doesn't seem to have a great deal of like value for like i'm going to go sit in therapy with kale so so i can't imagine they've done a lot of like deep dive therapy stuff and like we saw that scene where she tries to like blow through it with her and do the sort of fake you know oh i'm doing fine you know and then she gets called out on it and i think that partly in the moment at least spoke to me of like oh okay yeah like you're kind of a chameleon and you're very sharp and clever so you can easily get steps out ahead of people but yeah this whole episode added just a whole layer of nuance to pretty much everything yeah and just that bit that he

Starting point is 00:27:11 says is like i don't need a few i need my my my one life like I need my person I need the last person I want to see if I'm going out words she could say to me I'm scared yeah like I don't tell her some it's about her words to me there's a lot of that in this episode too of like even when Ellie confronts Joel of like that was my purpose you took that away from me I didn't have a choice in the matter and like you can feel how like maybe in a different moment she might be like well I'm glad not to be dead though you know like but at the same time there is a lot of that yeah Or, like, they took my choice, too.

Starting point is 00:27:45 They didn't tell me the truth. So, like, you know. Yeah, exactly. Totally. Like, she's probably pissed at Marlene. Mm-hmm. You know, even though she's sad about Marlene. Like, she knows Marlene set her up and didn't tell her the truth.

Starting point is 00:27:59 Yeah. Yep. And now Joel. That's her mom's best friend. And then Joel became Judge Joel in executioner. Yeah. Foof. Woof.

Starting point is 00:28:08 Woof. Woof, indeed. I like that little space fantasy, though. It was fun to blast off. And, uh, listened to. That's probably authentic, you know, astronaut audio. Pretty cool. Pretty cool dinosaur.

Starting point is 00:28:20 Also loved that. It's the little things, gang. Beautiful guitar moments. I like that they let people's just, I like the show allows music to play out. People just let them play a song or share in the moment of music together. It's beautiful.

Starting point is 00:28:35 And we will hopefully, in the next one, find out what's up with that enachronistic pearl jam song. They've clearly tripled. Well, I would, yeah, but I'm telling you, I knew, because otherwise, why did you guys do that? Right. They're in a bunker somewhere. Yeah. They're the last existing band.

Starting point is 00:28:52 I wish that's what it was. And people, like, flock to radio towers, like, you know, once it is designated safe point, you know, the military is like, okay, everybody tune into this frequency. Pearl Dram's dropping a new track. Save us from the future. Well, all right, gang, we're thoroughly juiced. We're thoroughly catharsed and conflict. and steeped in emotions. So leave us your thoughts.

Starting point is 00:29:19 No spoilers. Porfavor, but how are you feeling? Episode 6. You still loving this show? Are you happy to get some more Joel and Ellie once again? What are you hoping for for the rest of the season? Leave us your thoughts and we will catch you for, is it one more or two? I think this was the penultimate.

Starting point is 00:29:37 What? I think. I'm not sure. Fix this. There's one more. There's only one more, Tara. I think so. There's only one.

Starting point is 00:29:44 It's messed up, gang. And then it's going to take, like, another eight years for season three to come out. Get out of here. Anyway, be well. Thank you for joining us. We'll catch you on the next one. Pieces. Gabriel.

Starting point is 00:29:57 Gabriel. Gabriel. You sound like the kind of guy who would be in a show like this. Yeah. You do. Or a Walking Dead type show, honestly. But, like, I think there was a Gabriel on that show. There was.

Starting point is 00:30:10 He was a soft-spoken man. He wasn't a deep-sother man. Oh. You see the thing about Gabriel, the trouble. The trouble is you know that the way riders' minds work inevitably in whatever apocalypse scenario, you would be the untrustworthy priest. You know it would happen. You know.

Starting point is 00:30:32 Gabriel is too trusting of a name. That's right. You're someone who'll stab us in the back. They're doing that irony. They're like, oh, this guy must be the messenger. Maybe he actually has the faith, but it's always revealed that you. You're just a guy and you lost your faith a long time ago. And then you have a whole journey of rumination.

Starting point is 00:30:50 Hardcore backstabber. Hardcore. That's what you are here, Gabriel. We view you as a person who will stab us in the back. You're deceitful, conniving, murderous person. I know what you're doing. You've been contributing to our Patreon for a very long time now. And somehow you're going to flip this on us.

Starting point is 00:31:06 You're going to change the narrative. You sound like somehow we have jerked you over. When that is not at all, we're trying to do. We just want to take your money Without giving anything in return And I just think that's church That's church, that's church, that's church, church is the ultimate Capitalistic part of society

Starting point is 00:31:27 It's the ultimate pyramid scheme So yeah, it's what I'm saying Like you give all this money in time and what do you get in return? Jesus In your heart But when Jesus does show up When he does It's gonna be pretty sweet

Starting point is 00:31:41 It's gonna be pretty sick It's gonna be like a high school dance right between two people's hips Yeah, turn down for what? Jesus is what you're turning down for Thus says the Lord Anyway, may the Lord be with you And also with you

Starting point is 00:31:55 Lift up your hearts

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