The Reel Rejects - THE LAST OF US 2x07 REACTION!! Blind Review! TLOU Season 2 Episode 7 Finale

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Starting point is 00:01:22 I legit. Wow. Wow. Look, all I'm praying right now in my head. is that Dina was somewhere. Dina killed Abby. The gunshot was Dina killing Abby. And Elle is still alive.

Starting point is 00:01:40 And so it's Dina. That's what I want. Why aren't you saying anything about Jesse? That's what I want. Why aren't you saying anything about Jesse? Because I already know he's dead. Jesse dead. All I have is hope for the future of like they could not all be dead.

Starting point is 00:01:53 Don't do that to me. I don't want it, but I don't think it is going to back up. No, I think it's exactly what you just said. I think we're going back to. Abby I think we're doing day one we're going to get all the way to that moment and what we're going to see is Dina fire a weapon at Abby some going to happen where she didn't shoot Ellie or at least didn't kill Ellie because it's the classic cut to black gunshot like yeah something else happened I'm not allowed to fall in love oh because they'll die because it'll die yep

Starting point is 00:02:20 because that's what will happen because that was so fucked up to me yeah agree and it was such a hard to heart moment right and we think they're safe yeah brutal and the only reason they pulled me out is the supple tones of chris cornell in my ears yes all right p seattle king oh my god grunge king guys what the we know how rocks feels how do you feel right off the back john because we know rocks he just lost the lover of life he got shot in the head yeah he had a real nice perfect moment with Elle it was gonna be like they might be a family and then he died

Starting point is 00:03:02 and we learned when you're good in this world you you die it does seem that yeah to to survive in a world where that is often the only option you can't be too good

Starting point is 00:03:17 or you won't make it that far if you are uh golly and there's such an interplay in this episode even between that instinct and how like yeah if if uh ellie had intervened to save that kid they probably would both died you know and so it's yeah it's the pushpool and ideology is fascinating because you could shock any moment of luck up to uh the preservation aspects of like something that jesse is arguing or you could chalk any number of the you know victories and close calls and and you know

Starting point is 00:03:56 tight scrapes up to Ellie's philosophy. Yeah, I mean, this is very you know, gripping and you know, punchy season finale most certainly. And especially on the heels of last week just to get one more charge up

Starting point is 00:04:12 on Joel and Abby Energy or Joel and Ellie Energy. I guess that must be intentional for Ellie and Abby to have such similar and almost interchangeable names. But yes, to charge up on Ellie and Joel juice and then you have that big reminder

Starting point is 00:04:29 of like this is why we're here and this is what really transpired to drive her so we get that extra ounce of like identification with why Ellie's so hell bent on this and I like the just debates that they had I thought Jesse got a lot of moments

Starting point is 00:04:45 to shine like I'm sad and I'm you know broken up about the conclusion especially because it happens so fast yeah but like props to your boy because like terrific performance across this episode. Young Mazzino, put some respect on his name. Say it again.

Starting point is 00:04:59 Young Mazzino. My man, killing it. Can't wait to see him. You're not knowing my husband's name is a little odd. I'm just learning everybody's cast. I know Jesse, all right. He's so good at being Jesse that I don't see anybody else. I just see the character.

Starting point is 00:05:15 I hear you. But yeah, this was a really... He says, I can't die. It's a really elemental episode, too. It's really wet and you just feel the environment. environments. And yeah, like, you know, after all this, part of me wonders if you could have, I don't know how it appears in the game. I do like these confrontations that she's had with Abby's crew. Part of me is like, interesting that, you know, it played out in the way that it has. You get like one beat with, uh, uh, what's her name in the catacombs beneath the hospital. Nora. Nora, there you go. Thank you. You are the tomb of character.

Starting point is 00:05:55 characters and then you get that other rewatch and then you get that other beat with beard guy and pregnant lady yeah uh and you know there's also falcon is still out there somewhere I believe so like I'm sure that uh we'll catch

Starting point is 00:06:10 we'll check it it's it's interesting that aspect the sort of like hunt for abbey has sort of felt like maybe the most sort of like uh the the way it's been dispersed has been interesting because there have been these like detours along the way in the storytelling and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:06:26 But I thought the scene between the three of them and the whole baby thing was like so striking and sad and just like such a weird moment of like, oh, this is just all universe us. You know, like in an alternate universe, you're Dina and you're Jesse. And happy as me, you know. Was your understanding that he was the dad of that baby

Starting point is 00:06:46 and that's why he was like, no, you stay here. I'm going to go give her this. I'm honestly not sure. I feel like you could easily interpret it that way. absolutely interpret it that way. You could also just interpret it as they are clearly... Homies. Yeah, homies who are in a specific unit and they're close.

Starting point is 00:07:02 You know, they work together. They're also, you know, on their own program. Yeah. Clearly, day one, so we'll find out. But, yeah, to then take us back and do the whole, like, now we're going to see everyone. We're going to rush him on this from Abby's perspective. It's going to be fascinating.

Starting point is 00:07:20 Which I'm like, ugh, why? Because they're... You know, you know why. You know why. They're trying to make us, they're trying to retrain our brains, Tara. I know, to go well from her point of view that, you know, she's in a similar situation to what, to what Ellie is right now, right? I mean, Ellie is on a vengeance mode. And when she killed, you know, when she's beating up Nora, you saw me.

Starting point is 00:07:43 I mean, people are like, oh, it's not the right thing. And I'm like, I don't care. Beat the crap out of her because I am, I am so on El-Sye because of what they did to Joel in front. of her. I felt so mad for her. And yeah, I mean, obviously that's what they're going to do is make us mad for Abby, lost her father. I get it. But man, this episode did a really good job of not only making Ellie and Dina become closer in a way. When you start this episode, we've never actually seen Elle become as vulnerable as she has as she was in the beginning of this episode when she takes off her shirt and Dina is like cleaning her back.

Starting point is 00:08:27 Elle is never in a vulnerable position like that with anyone. And that just goes to show what their relationship is and how comfortable she feels with her and why when you see her after she leaves come rushing back saying like, where is Dina? That it's just them two together. I love their relationship. but I also specifically love how vulnerable they made, like how human they made L.

Starting point is 00:08:58 Because there is a point when she is explaining that Nora, she left her there. And I was like, there is a similarity between Elle and Joel in how they were seeking vengeance in a way. I mean, Joel wasn't really at the point of vengeance. He just needed to go into blank mode. He has to save L.

Starting point is 00:09:21 Protection mode. Yeah. And it's like Elle was doing the same thing. It's like she shut it off. And that's and, you know, when Dina's like she got what she deserved, but Elle is like, but did she really? Because she left her alive. That hits home.

Starting point is 00:09:35 That's like, and then you see her kill the guy and the pregnant girl and like, that's just so. It's just, it's very emotional. Like even hearing Elle talk about leaving Nora behind, is it the right choice? and then we get over that real quick. She's like, I'm going to go kill Abby, right? And I'm still with her, even though I think it's stupid going in the ocean. I thought she was going to drown. There's just so many things that she survives outside of the extenuating circumstances

Starting point is 00:10:08 that she could get bit by a zombie and still live. I get it. That's the least of your problems. Exactly. She put herself in harm's way in every other way where she could die. and she didn't and now I just really hope at the end like obviously she didn't and I do think that they will take us to a point where we are on Abby's freaking side even though I don't want to be I get it you know Joel came in he killed your dad we could have had a cure I don't know I don't know what to tell you that Abby and Joel and all the people they're my family and I don't care about you Abby that's how I feel about this show uh I'm I'm I'm so like mind blown by this season. I think that this show you guys remember episode two I was just sitting here saying I don't know if they made the right choice and I still feel conflicted but I am more invested in this show than I have been in any show all year. Yeah. And so clearly it is making me question who I am, my thoughts and choices and that one conversation with Ellie and Jesse as they're talking about what is community. And who do you save?

Starting point is 00:11:19 And while Jesse is the good guy and saving his community and Ellie, we see her as this only wants vengeance for Joel, she's about to throw it all away because she's watching a kid get derrobed and beat, you know, and like, because she, she can't see something in front of her eyes and not do something, clearly is what her boundary is. And he is like, I care about the people who are alive in my life and I need to go after. them. And watching those two perspectives makes you question, you know, the same thing. Trains going in one direction could kill 100 people, could kill one person that you love, which way are you making the train go? We all question this in ourselves. I started asking that to my friend on

Starting point is 00:12:04 the schoolyard when we were like six years old, you know, and this is the, what is community? Do we have, are we beholden to our friends and family? Are we beholden to the people of our cultural community? Are we beholden to the planet Earth? You know? like, what is that? So I think that's crazy. I'm also going into problem solving and figure it out mode because you guys know I love to predict things,

Starting point is 00:12:25 even though some of you guys love that and some of you don't love that about me. I'm very curious why Abby thinks that Tommy killed her friends. She walks in, she says he killed my friends. Right? So what has led her to this location and under the impression that Tommy,

Starting point is 00:12:44 she didn't even know Ellie was here? So she thinks that this was Tommy. she immediately shoots Jesse which makes her forever number one on my shit list I can't believe that that happened but I felt it coming I felt that we were going to but anyway why did she think that what happened there what is and now we're

Starting point is 00:13:04 going to go back and see which is interesting is there a world question to you guys is there a world by the end of season three that you guys are team Abby is there a world well I think the way they write the show probably I mean I'm not I'm not even joking like they know how to get in there yeah they know how to get in there and I mean the whole thing it's very it seems clear that part of the point that they've been illustrating this season that I understand is probably a bit more vague for longer or less you know direct in the game is yeah it's like where is the cycle where does the cycle start and end and are we all just kind of competing in the same like

Starting point is 00:13:48 transference of rage and revenge, you know. And I mean, it's weird. You have ever reason emotionally to like never let go of the cycle. And yet it seems like maybe the most crucial thing we could all do together as a global community is to let go. But John, that's what finally she was seemingly about to do. Because Tommy says to her, are you going to be able to let this go? Or did Jesse say that to her or Tommy said that to her? Tommy didn't.

Starting point is 00:14:20 She said, I'm going to have to try, right? Like, and that's what she also says to Joel, that she's going to, I don't know if I can forgive you, but I want to try. Here, she wants to try this. But sometimes based on our own actions, we're too late. Well, and sometimes when you resolve to do something is when life hands you the biggest challenge to that resolution yet. That's true, too. Which is, yeah, like, and two, I think it's, yeah, it's pretty powerful that, you know, in. that interaction that altercation between her and the other two that idea of like i'm not like you i'm

Starting point is 00:14:52 not going to kill you both and then due to his you know rash action it's not really up to you and it happens anyway and then you sort of realize like well i got i i thought they both played that so well because that has to rock your world in terms of like i was clear of my mission i told them what to do and then just life and and split second decisions got in the way and like that's probably how a lot of these things happen and how a lot of these situations arise yeah and i mean not necessarily with joel you know in the fireflies and all that stuff you know there was kind of a build up to that but at the same time yeah like this whole web of revenge and the risking of life to get to see out like all these ripples you know somebody asked i think in the episode like if you know

Starting point is 00:15:41 it wasn't there question somebody levies about you know if if they hadn't done this to you like Where would you be? Or is Dina or somebody? They're like, you know, if I hadn't, or Jesse. Sorry. There's a lot swirling in my mind. That's me too. It's so much.

Starting point is 00:15:56 You know, if I had left, it's Jesse. If I had left with that girl I loved, I wouldn't have been here to save you. I wouldn't have been. And there are so many, again, little what if ripples like that. And yeah, it really draws this compelling conundrum of like individual community. What is community encompass as you guys were talking about? Reject Nation, you ever look back and realize how little you actually learned about money growing up. For me, like many of you, it was always start investing when you're young.

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Starting point is 00:17:49 Review important disclosures atacorns.com slash re-ex. Thank you again, Acorn. When should you insert yourself because it's the right thing to do? And when should you weigh the reality of the situation? It's like, you know, again, if they had jumped in and tried to save that scar guy, noble, but they probably would have died, you know, like, or it seems way more likely. And I think it's a strength of especially an episode like this. Yeah, there are a lot of debates where you can very much see the philosophy on both sides.

Starting point is 00:18:18 And I think especially between Ellie and Jesse, there were some very compelling back and forth arguments. And I thought the way that they also took time to give them these lovely character flourishes within all that, you know, really spoke to the themes, really, really nicely sort of saying to the themes. Yeah. Yeah, and they make it like really hard when Jesse says to her, you know, that he puts other people, people's lives in front of his. And he says, I care about the community because your decision, I voted no against you because it's about the community. It wouldn't be good for them. And you're on his side of like for a millisecond going, yeah, Ellie is kind of selfish, right? But then she comes right back. She's like, you were going to let a kid die. And, you know, and she's like,

Starting point is 00:19:02 and this is my community. You're like, oh, I get that too. So when you ask, are they going to put me on the side of Abby? And I'm like, well, with writing like this, you know, I might. By episode two of season three, I'll go, oh, okay, I get it. But like, oh, man, oh, man. So our players still on the table that we don't know are dead yet, that we think could still be alive. In terms of Abby's camp, current day, would just be Abby and Danny Ramirez, right?

Starting point is 00:19:31 Those are the only two wolves that came after Joel that we think are still alive. Yeah, because there's five of them, right? Right. So, and then on our team, Maria's at home alive. Tommy is still potentially alive Just on the ground Jesse's still maybe alive

Starting point is 00:19:48 One gauntcha Yeah, we'll go with that Okay Ellie could still be alive Dina could be alive Yes Okay so I think we still have Dina and Tommy

Starting point is 00:19:59 Ellie I don't expect them to kill her off as this sort of season cliffhanger Because I feel like there's just way too much interesting stuff to do if you put Abby and Ellie forced the characters together I think there's just way too much interesting drama you could ring from that

Starting point is 00:20:16 We also, it was interesting to hear Tommy kind of take over the Joel role with Ellie saying like you know helping her out in that moment where she's having a hard time and he's like they did come after Joel and you did what you did and whatnot and it comes after us seeing Ellie not put

Starting point is 00:20:33 Tommy first or put Joel's vengeance first so that was tough too and I do think she she's a little inconsistent here because as jesse says i know you would hunt down for me the end to the end of the earth it's like maybe if you died she would for vengeance for you if you're if you're still living we just saw that tommy was in crazy trouble and she didn't come after him she went for vengeance so it's it's she's it's hard to know where her priorities lie sometimes we know they lie with joel and vengeance for joel but are you

Starting point is 00:21:08 really honoring Joel by not going to Tommy. Right, exactly, which of course he would want you to do. And what she says in that moment to Jesse is Tommy would want me to go after Abby. And it's like, what makes you think that? No conversation that we've seen. You've had some discussions with him about this already.

Starting point is 00:21:25 Yeah, you're just hearing what you want to hear in that moment. You're doing what you want to do and you're justifying it. So she has the ability to justify crazy things. And even when we hear Jesse say to Ellie when she comes back, where were you? Where were you as he's taking care of Dina? It's like she says to us that she loves Dina more than anything on the planet. And yet, when Dina was shot in the leg, Ellie went inside to beat Nora. And I'm not even fully convinced that Ellie didn't kill Nora. We don't know that she didn't. And regardless, Nora was going to die because of the situation. But I'm just saying, I keep going in my head thinking about Catherine O'Hara. She is a liar. Not she lied. She is. is a liar. I don't know because I love Ellie. So I don't want to throw Ellie under the bus right now.

Starting point is 00:22:12 But there's holes. There's inconsistencies in what she claims to be her values. She's an unreliable narrator sometimes. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. You know, so her saying that she didn't kill her, I'm like, is that really mean anything? You pretty much did.

Starting point is 00:22:30 Your actions led directly to this whether you crushed her head in or not. Yeah. Totally. Yeah, especially with Jesse saying. I can't die, you would assume that L would be in the back of her mind thinking, yeah, well, I also can't die because that's also her kid in a way. Right? But she doesn't really ever say that out loud. And even after he said that, she still's like, I'm going off to kill Abby. Yeah. In a real storm. Where's Dina is a big question here? I know it. I know it. That's why I'm

Starting point is 00:23:05 like it has to be dina i i i it has to be dina has to shoot abby and like they can't kill l i don't know or they can or the end of the game is we see how we got to the place that we killed yeah maybe dina just fired a shot up in the air and was like hold on a second gang let's talk this through so the possibilities are dina actually shot and killed abby dina shot and and missed abby Abby shot Tommy and it looked like she was going to shoot Ellie but she actually shoots Tommy Abby shoots Ellie or random person that we don't know about

Starting point is 00:23:45 like Danny Ramirez's character came bulging barging in and his gun went off by accident shot himself in the day shot himself yeah cheddar bobbed himself while Jesse was bleeding out he let off one more shot that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying Tara that's what I'm saying Let's go.

Starting point is 00:24:05 I'm actually, like, devastated that he's no longer on this show. But the good news is he's been doing so much press and he's been coming such a name that and I was wondering why he was doing so much press. He was like, I got milk this because I know I'm not going to be on the next season. That I think that we're going to be seeing him for a year. Hell yeah. I think we're going to be seeing him for years and years to come. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:25 Yeah, I really liked watching him. He's just so, every, I think perfect performance is on this show across the board. Agreed. Yeah. And even literally. And even characters like. Like, you know, Jeffrey Wright and the other, you know, like military officer lady, like, even though they're not in this episode a ton, like, gripping performers as well, like all the different, yeah, people they get from the smallest, even that guy who came back from that one prolog, you know, with the, with the, who's clearly become unhinged and full on wolf. Like everybody asked about the voting.

Starting point is 00:24:55 Yeah. Yeah. It's like everybody leaves an impression. Like they're casting, yeah, is like really great across the board. And with their writing to give everybody sort of a. moment, a proper moment where you're like, even if it's not minutes in a full-on monologue, like the, the woman got in the hospital that we saw where we end up realizing she's crying because her son was down there.

Starting point is 00:25:20 But literally for, I think everyone, they do all get a moment. You just kind of forget because there's just so much in each episode. and even with like Jeffrey Wright like he got a big moment when he was with the other guy one of the scars kicking his butt with the pan Yeah yeah remember that like wild

Starting point is 00:25:43 There's just some wild moments Throughout this whole entire season And throughout this script That they give each character Basically a reason in the writing Of why they're here And why we're watching their story That it doesn't mean nothing

Starting point is 00:25:59 And we're not just throwing this person in there because it's cool there's a reason always talking about day one Seattle for a second because we just see a quick glimpse of where Abby is we know that she's there we know that her Danny's there I don't know Danny Ramirez's

Starting point is 00:26:17 character name I can falcon I told you sorry call him by his name Falcon we see he's there we see her overlooking and we see them trying to build and growth right and it just like was such a quick reminder of how far gone we

Starting point is 00:26:32 are from that point of trying to fight the monsters and work together to build and grow and create what we can. And bringing us back to that point because we have to assume that season three we're going to start in Seattle day one, right? Like that's where we're going. Sure seems like, yeah. So I'm geared up for like a full on perspective shift. Yeah. So what are you guys hoping to see and how long are you hoping to spend there? Are you hoping the entire next season? season is following Abby's crew. Are you hoping that because we're going back to day one, we kind of hop around?

Starting point is 00:27:11 I'm fascinated to know. I mean, like, I like a Roshaman. I like a sort of old perspective. And I guess it would just be on them to draw the characters well enough. They have the rich source material to go off of. But yeah, I mean, I would be very impressed if they can, yeah, do a season that is like largely from now from Abby's perspective. engross us just as much with that.

Starting point is 00:27:35 It makes me curious in a different way. It's like killing Joel and having his presence via absence be this huge looming thing throughout the season. It makes sense in a different way. And I feel like there's a certain amount of patience you ask your audience to provide you. You know, you ask your audience not to rage quit due to that. I mean, again, it's another big ask to come around and be like, no, let's watch Abby's story. I think it is definitely interesting in potential,

Starting point is 00:28:04 and I think it would be a cop-out if they don't really embrace that. At the same time, I'm sort of like, we gotta see Ellie at some point. Are we gonna have like Ellie's subplots? We already know what she would have been doing, and I kind of expected, again, to leave off with Seattle day one,

Starting point is 00:28:22 really suggests to me that like, we're gonna go back and we're gonna spend a substantial amount of time on this perspective. So I don't know. I mean, it seems bold, for sure. Color me, color me curious. The villain or the antagonist we've been looking for this whole season,

Starting point is 00:28:38 now we're going to unpack them. Yeah, and I think it would be a little bit more bold if they hadn't let us know the context, which I understand in the game, you don't get that context for a long time. So, like, it would be harder to be like, what? Now we're going to follow this person? Like, I already get that the show is saying certain things about the cycle of violence. but at the same time

Starting point is 00:29:00 I'm very fascinating like this season without Joel has proven to be very gripping even though we did get a Joel flashback but regardless it's been very gripping and I expect whatever's next to be

Starting point is 00:29:10 just as gripping and I don't know quite what to imagine it to be but I'm open to the prospect certainly and I mean if they've given us new standout performers like your husbando in this episode in the season you know I can only imagine that they'll continue that

Starting point is 00:29:26 and too maybe some of these folks that we have seen in her crew will become better developed as well yeah i mean i would really like to see l and dina and the baby like it's just when she picks up that book and then he's like i should have thought of that you know there's just so many moments in here that make jesse's death even more sad but also make you want to live out a good amount of that just to see where does l go with dina from here and the baby and their life in that regard. I really want to see it. So my hope would be, yeah, they go full force into Abby's perspective,

Starting point is 00:30:05 which they're going to have to. But then I would just hope we also cut back to this moment and maybe continue a little bit to see where her life goes. I really want to see it. I wonder if we'll like end off the season or the halfway point, like arrive here again. That's what I'm hoping like half point. and then continue so that it's not like a whole other season

Starting point is 00:30:28 that we have to wait to see where Elle and Dina's lives go. I would hate that. That would be a long time for me. Season three rocks. Yeah, what do you want? She just wants to come back. Let's just cut to heaven and hang out with Joel and Jesse on a cloud. That's what I want.

Starting point is 00:30:48 A little Truvick Angel Boys. You got any predicts, though? That I'm so late and got to get it. out of here 15 minutes ago that's my prediction well all right man that we'll be here watching leave a like leave a comment um subscribe we love you guys and we'll see you on the next one let me jacks

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