The Reel Rejects - THE LAST OF US SEASON 2 Episode 3 Games React, Breakdown, Review, & TLOU Ending Explained

Starting point is 00:00:00 This week's videos are sponsored by prize picks, the easy-to-use fantasy sports betting app. More on them in just a bit. Guys, anything else before we get into this? No, let's get sad. All right, episode three, season two, commence. All righty. Well, guys, that was episode three of season two. If you were able to watch that on YouTube, it's because the fine folks over at Praper, they did a great job.

Starting point is 00:00:30 editing down the highlights as always we appreciate their hard work and dedication and also if you're listening on apple or spotify make sure you give us five-star ratings we would appreciate it Greg how are you feeling after watching that episode I'm feeling feeling good there's um it's weird it's weird like last last season it was a hyper comparative thing and even though we're going like full spoilers and not holding back this time I find in my mind I'm less I'm far less comparing and more accepting of what they are doing that being said there's it's an interesting difference that they have approached here where after the death of joel in the game it's really cold it's a very cold hardened and you're setting out on a mission right away on none of this

Starting point is 00:01:21 deliberation and any of that is in there and it's nowhere near as stark or a harsh as it is in the game and a lot of that is mainly underneath like ellie is very much evidently in the game uh not okay where in uh in the show she's about presenting herself like she is okay and trying to sound rational and sound and then there's these conversations between gale and Tommy about her, how she's actually, you know, she's a liar, and she's also lying to herself, perhaps. Like, what is she saying that she actually believes, you know, because we know an audience, and I imagine even if you don't know the games, you probably know she's got a lot of simmering rage underneath and she's out for revenge.

Starting point is 00:02:14 We know that. And I appreciate the approach that they are taking. it is a lot more like pontificating and reflective and it really does for my personal taste I like the I do wish there was a bit of a something that felt a little pulsating towards getting to the mission if that makes sense because it was just sort of like this is the much more realistic approach for this world and for an adaptation

Starting point is 00:02:53 far more real in terms of, yeah, they would need to recover for a few months. They would need to have a council meeting and they would need a debate about it and even the approach to Seth and everything. A lot of that felt a lot more real and that's part of the

Starting point is 00:03:08 beauty of the show is how they go for okay, but what will be the more realistic way not the video game way or even the movie way? What will will be if we have the time in a show what will be the more real human way this would go about it so i do really like it i think there was like a i think it could use a smidge percentage of of like leaning in a bit more to the anger that ellie is feeling underneath the surface that people are clearly calling her out on just so we get a little bit of that revenge drive because they're

Starting point is 00:03:40 kind of hammering home the theme of hey maybe don't go on the revenge thing and you got to learn to forgive and they're really going with like the melancholy sadness of that and i kind of wish we had a bit of a just like i'm talking like 10% because what we got i really enjoyed uh but i think it could use a little bit more slight umph um in terms of that revenge drive because as part of the appeal of this is to do a story that's a revenge story and then peel back the layers as you go on the mission but it's in terms of like remixing it turns of what they're doing with dina And Ellie, there's a lot that I really do love. And, you know, letting you not having a Pedro flashback right away, smart, because you got to feel the absence.

Starting point is 00:04:27 But yeah, that's, I'm not going to say everything. There's so much more to go into and we don't have as much time as before. But, yeah. Aaron, how do you feel? Hmm. I feel satisfied with where we're going because I like, even though, is an interesting thing for me because I am as you was a parent during the reaction itself am comparing it to the game because it's fresh in my head but I'm not comparing it for the sake

Starting point is 00:04:57 of criticism. It's more from a place of observation and I honestly think some of the choices that they've made the difference from the game are smarter choices narratively and it's funny because when I played the game I played on New Game Plus because obviously when you're playing the game, it's both a narrative and a experience that you're going through. But I think if you were sort of streamlining the gameplay aspect of things and that kind of concentrates the narrative portion of it while still maintaining that. And having this change mediums, a lot of those changes feel necessary and feel more impactful because you can't utilize them in the same way like having there be a three-month gap in seeing ellie's freak out up top you know and then

Starting point is 00:05:48 the that immediately being followed with her trying to mask all that pain and all that trauma i feel like that stuff really worked for me because she's always been very close to the the book she doesn't listen to anybody and i like the fact that we have somebody like dina to bounce off of her and the fact that isabella marcette is such a bubbly personality and i feel like honestly more so than Dina was in the game, I feel like it really creates the sense of there is this person that is angry underneath the surface, but she's also still Ellie. And I feel like for me going from game one to game two, even though I recognize as Joel and Ellie, I felt like Ellie in season and game two felt like a different person than Ellie in game

Starting point is 00:06:30 one, but I feel like they found that nice balance between having her still be like plucky and have an attitude and sarcastic. Whereas in the game, it was just, she was just angry and, like, bitter the entire time. So I like that we have someone like Dina to bring that out of her. Now, the stuff with the council was really interesting to me because it does feel more grounded. And I like the fact that if we are still having Tommy go on the mission, I feel more rational for him to be coming after the fact rather than them going to be chasing him because they are the younger ones. They are more brash. And he has a whole town to be taken care of.

Starting point is 00:07:06 And I feel like with him being in that position, and if they do, do continue if they do have him come later on and obviously it seems like because they can go in secret they're going to find out if they left which they're going to send people after her because essentially that is his niece i think that's a smarter choice plus you know jesse is his ex is uh dina's ex or whatever they are so it makes sense that those two would would come in the aftermath but yeah i think just judging the show off of its own merits i think that it's building off this this thing of the cost of what it means to be angry and, you know, showing alternative paths

Starting point is 00:07:49 within the context of what it is to be within a community and her framing her rage as justice. Because I feel like even in the real world, so many people like frame their personal feelings as a moral argument. And I feel like if you're framing something as a moral argument, it takes away your own personal agency, not agency, but your own personal reflections and true intentions of the matter, right? Or true, true hurt. So I feel like the fact

Starting point is 00:08:19 that that is what this is, is granted, it's that in the game as well, but I feel like having her state that to a crowd of people was really cool. I'm excited. I'm really excited for the way that this is playing out. I like that they shown the overwhelming odds. I think that's an interesting choice for them to show the seraphites humanity first rather than this ominous thing that Ellie just kills because I feel like it's yeah Ellie comes across them first before Abby does so they are just something that is on the way in in front of her warpath and I feel like maybe in some senses it kind of makes her um I guess a little bit more human because she's killing left and right back and forth all over the game you know so it doesn't matter

Starting point is 00:09:03 for it's seraphis, it doesn't matter for its wolves, it doesn't matter of its dogs, anything it takes to get to Abby. But showing them and then showing the complexities of that, I think that's only going to come back more to enhance the overall message of what this story is going to be. Because I feel like having Ellie kill people within cutscenes and having her affected by that is undercut by all the violence she's doing in the game. So having that removed from this version of the narrative only makes those things more impactful. And I'll leave it at that. Andrew, how'd you feel? I needed this.

Starting point is 00:09:34 This was a great episode, I think, too, because of obviously all the things we were dealing with emotionally with Joel last episode and all the action, I think getting a slow burn episode like this was really good. And I think this episode was really good in terms of pacing as well. I never felt the slow burn in any which way, personally. And a couple things. One, I thought Dina, I like what they did with her because obviously they changed it up in what you guys were talking about with the things.

Starting point is 00:10:01 three-month gap, which I thought was very fascinating. And Dina holding in that information to not let Ellie know because she's got the tubes down and knows that she's going to, she would rip it off using logic over emotion. And because she really, like obviously she's got a right to tell Ellie there as well because she's got a personal vendetta in this now because she's like a surrogate daughters. We've mentioned multiple times here in the last couple of reactions to Joel. So she could have again used emotion over logic in that moment. And she didn't. because she cares also so much for Ellie but also it showed

Starting point is 00:10:35 just the mental fortitude and how smart she is as well hey why not just wait we know where they're going they're going to end up in Washington because it says WLF Washington Liberation from which I learned from Eugene I just thought again that just

Starting point is 00:10:51 showed how quick on her feed and how smart she is so I like that they really included that I thought that was really smart so from Dina's perspective so I'm glad that they included that but again just showed like you said, that bubbly side and how much she's caring towards Ellie and that lovable, you know, charm that she has towards Ellie again. So I'm glad that they included that. I really thought they did a great job in the very opening. First of all,

Starting point is 00:11:15 that opening shot of how ominous and just seeing the red flames and all that with the infected and the damage of the after battle of Jackson. That was an incredible opening, especially just how we're feeling too after as an audience with Joel and everything. We've just experienced as well. Very smart opening shot. But seeing from Tommy's perspective, because I believe in the video game after Joel's death, we see Tommy and Ellie talking about planning to go to Seattle. And Tommy is just saying, like, again, it's a very endearing and sad scene in the game. But they're just mentioning how he's got to talk to Maria, she's never going to allow, et cetera. But seeing Tommy like really emotionally feeling the loss of his brother, his role model, even though Joel's

Starting point is 00:12:01 done a lot of messed up stuff in the past it's still his older brother and getting to feel that with Tommy I thought was just really impactful and I'm glad that they chose to go there and I thought Gabriel Luna did just such a great job of just expressing that and allowing that and I think Gabriel Luna and Bella Ramsey I know Bella Ramsey gets a lot of crap and again subjective if you don't like her take I'm that's fine but I thought she did such a great job in this episode and I'm not disagreeing with what you said where they could have ramped it up just a little bit more rage side but i thought she did such a great job in this episode of emoting of without speaking just really showing that that frustrated and sad side to her uh you know with the loss of joel and that

Starting point is 00:12:44 scene that really hit me was again where they recreated from the game where she's getting the gun and then you know holding the jack like that really touched me and i you know credit to bell ramses she did a hell of a job in that scene i also again thought that was fascinating as well seeing from the seraphite's perspective where we get the opening shot from them because again I believe just getting back to the video game not comparing just from what I remember we do get the first thing we see of them is with Ellie and she gets attacked I believe she gets shot with a bone arrow so we kind of see them more as savages and you know then it's just more of like you said where they're just in Ellie's way and they're

Starting point is 00:13:20 attacking so I thought that was again an interesting angle to kind of humanize them as Greg pointed out earlier and to now see them as kind of victims as you know from the WL off and we We don't know if it was Abby and Crewe or was Isaac and Crew or the Army because we do know from the game that Abby is, as Mel called her, the top scar killer. So it could have been that. We don't know. But either way, like, it's still tragic. You still feel for the seraphites in that moment. And granted, obviously, later, there are going to be two seraphites we care about and we get emotionally invested in more than anyone.

Starting point is 00:13:54 I thought that was a great job of, you know, putting that in there right away just to get us to start caring about the serifites. early and also just getting their perspective learning more about them because yeah we learn about them a little bit in the game but you get you have to learn more you know from notes and stuff like that but actually getting some exposition from them as well I thought that was again a smart angle that Craig Mason and Neil Druckman took and I like that a lot also that was interesting was a father and daughter yeah definitely definitely and yeah because we didn't really see children like right and not too many again is talking about the parallel between father and daughter Abby oh oh okay yeah yeah but yeah no for sure but i'm just mentioning in general like in in terms of seraphites i don't remember seeing children in the game if i if i do i don't i don't even remember uh also too i really actually like what they what they did with set because in the game again he calls them he does the homophobic slur gives them the biggest sandwiches and that's that's basically it to the extent of set so i really like the angle that they they pulled off with his character and then again just showing us you know the theme of forgiveness i thought that that

Starting point is 00:15:01 was really smartly played just showing us that that is going to be something that is foreshadowing later and looming and i'm sure there's other things you would like is there other things you would like to say as well springs here baseball's in full swing and if you're looking to make watching games even more exciting check out prize picks our go-to in the daily fantasy sports category the reason this household is so into prize picks is because it's super easy to use you just pick more or less on player staff projections like strikeouts home runs or hits baseball terms for your chance to went up to 1,000 times your entry. And unlike a lot of other apps, you can mix players from baseball and other sports like basketball, hockey, and even e-sports.

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Starting point is 00:16:04 You get $50 instantly after you play your first $5 lineup. Again, that's code rejects. $50 instantly after your first $5 lineup. Price fix. Run your game, people. Yeah, with the Seth part, I think they did a really smart job illustrating how Ellie is making the choice that it's probably not smart and not good. and that's part of the challenge both game and show kind of drives home a POV a little bit more though

Starting point is 00:16:36 because in the if you look at the council debate scene whoever that one guy is um who's like i'm not christian but we should forgive and mercy and all that stuff and ellie is like rolling her eyes at him and the second set speaks up mr homophob speaks up um just like oh shit i'm i'm aligning with this guy you know and And I think that's the show's way of demonstrating, like, hey, the guy with like kind of the bad point of views in life is the one you're aligning with right now. That's a good one. And I think that was a smart representation of that. But, you know, also humanizing the guy as well.

Starting point is 00:17:21 And yeah, I agree on the serified front because literally in the game, the only people, even when you position it with Yara and Lev, The character, Seraphytes characters you will follow. They really pose the seraphites as some type of like post-apocalyptic horrible cult of a bunch of like religious fanatics. And it is the worst lifestyle and it is abusive and there's nothing good about it. It is pure oppression of who you really are. And we will murder you if you do not follow our guidelines. So they they do position in that the entire game. Like there's no, there's pretty much no nuance outside of Yara and Lev feeling conflicted.

Starting point is 00:18:02 I'm like, but we got family here. So to do this where they seem so soft and like travelers and wanderers, not leaning at all into the ugliness that their, you know, religious lifestyle presents is a unique way to do it. We're, hey, we're going to go so human. And then we're going to show you how messed up these guys are. Instead, because even with the WOLF, they introduced them at the top and like, yeah, they're mourning and then they're sad. The fireflies of Abby and the crew, but it's immediately fall like, but we're going to kill Joel. And this, they're just looked at as victims of the WLF at this point. Whereas that is not at all like the experience you get in the game.

Starting point is 00:18:49 So I appreciated that. And I feel like you wanted to say something to that. Yeah, I was just going to say that's a great point you make. I feel, again, if I'm misinterpreting what I've played so many times in the game, I feel like that they kind of what we saw in the game too with the cult, which again, I agree with

Starting point is 00:19:06 everything you just said, I feel like they kind of because, what's her name, the feel her, the main woman who was in charge? Whatever her name is, the feel her love woman, I feel like she was pure and everything that her intentions were pure. The prophet, thank you so much. I feel like she was pure and her intentions were pure,

Starting point is 00:19:24 but I feel like once she passed away, whoever was in charge at that point with whatever counts or whoever, they kind of bastardized everything that she did. So I'm hoping, even though we kind of, even if they don't do it, I guess this is fine with what we saw from the human perspective here and getting that

Starting point is 00:19:39 and humanizing them. I'm hoping we get an episode with the profit, because they said that 10 years earlier, I think that's what they said, whatever. I'm hoping we get an episode of that. That'd be great, maybe not this season, even next season, because we're going to get another couple seasons.

Starting point is 00:19:53 So if they do that, great. I'm also too. One other thing. I think it was interesting in this episode that Tommy's reluctance as well now with the Battle of Jackson, not only because Jackson's vulnerable, but because he also has a son. So that makes his decision a lot more difficult, even though I think we can all agree he's obviously probably going to come. But again, it just like there's a consequence to that as well. Like if what happens in the game happens here, you know, and now he's going to deal with that. And then there's going to be a shattering of the relationship as well. It's like there's consequences to these actions. And I think that goes along to the theme of vengeance and revenge. So again, it's going to be. It's going along to the theme. Sorry, it's going along to the theme to cycle too because like it's weird how for the show, they're a little more expositional about their themes than I feel like the game actually is,

Starting point is 00:20:47 where it's very apparent in the game. But I think they're a little bit more like upfront about it even before the game. The game, you kind of embark actions. happen and then theme presents and you reflect whereas here it's like before they go on the mission he's going and i don't want ellie to repeat this cycle of revenge and go down the joll path practically telling you what what the whole prospect of this theme is so but i mean i like i don't mind it um how do you guys feel i mean on bell i think bella ramsi is there's aspects where i feel like she soars undoubtedly like those scenes that you guys highlighted and then there's other aspects

Starting point is 00:21:31 where i'm not saying she's going to do bad uh i am a little like concerned though that it might not be fulfilling i'm waiting to see how it plays out in terms of like the action side of it where she is on the on the mission and like when i played the game you know to go from joel to ellie is a big ask and ellie ends up becoming my favorite very early on i was like i think i like really way more than I like playing as Ellie than I play as a Joel that's weird and then Ellie became my like favorite character I do love playing as her and and so honestly living up to like Ellie hype in my brain is a is a lot harder than than Joel hype and I do I think like there's so much he does a great job at or they do a great job at and there's there is the

Starting point is 00:22:19 other aspect though where I'm going I care though to watch Bella Ramsey more than as a much as I care to watch Pedro Pascal and while they're on the embarking of the revenge mission like I'm like oh thank God they've got Dina here but there's going to be a time whether or not and I'm like well well with a solo I'm willing to give it a chance and going with a completely open mind that is the part where I'm a little apprehensive about though will I be able to buy into this because as you're the thing you were speaking to earlier I think it helps that out that Ellie feels aged up in a different pro errant

Starting point is 00:22:54 aged up and feels different where Bella Ramsey doesn't still feels like a kid to me here doesn't actually feel that aged up I don't I don't feel like it's been I feel like it's been a year not five years mm-hmm and some ways Dina seems more of an adult than her yeah I think that the two actors only like two years apart I think I La Bella Marcette is only two years older than okay but I I feel what you're saying and I don't know for me like per the change of hair, the performance. She feels older, but I can recognize that obviously in literal time because the actor is 20 to 21 years old. Right. So obviously costuming makes someone feel

Starting point is 00:23:38 younger. But I don't know, part of me, even though she's, they still look very young. But part of me likes that though. I think like, yeah, because it kind of brings home the contrast. Like, oh, this is like a small person going to try to take on an army. Yeah. And that's kind of crazy. You're going to go stab and murder and kill all these people, just you and your friend over here. Also like the fact that we are... But I believe that Ellie in the game, they pulled this shit off. I was just about to say... I was not sure if I believe Bella Ramsey can pull it off.

Starting point is 00:24:09 I was just about to say it. We don't know. We don't. That's 100% it. I was about to say to Greg's point, like in the game, it's believable that Ellie can do that. Is it believable here that Bella Ramsey as Ellie can do that? I'm willing to give her... Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:24 I'm willing to, I'm willing to give that a chance. I mean, they're obviously trying to set it up with her with that first scene with her with fighting that guy and with the half out and then punching bags and all. They're trying to set all that up. So again, I'm willing to have an open mind and give it a chance. One last thing I will say, and then I'll leave it to you guys to finish it off. I know we're way far away from that. It'll be in the final season of this part two. But I got to tell you that final shot of seeing the army of the WLF.

Starting point is 00:24:54 because we had that incredible action sequence of the Battle of Jackson got me excited, and I didn't say anything. I wanted to wait until the review. It got me so ramped up and excited for when they have that final battle versus the seraphites and the WLA. Oh, that's very awesome. I've just seen the scope of there, how many people, I'm like, because I saw what they did in that battle of Jackson, I'm like, oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:25:14 I know we're way far away from that. It's a long time. It's going to be in the final season of this, but I can't wait. Yeah, the episodes like this make me believe, like, yeah, they can stretch just the three seasons if they wanted to. Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah, I don't think you needed to tell me. I think I don't think I mean, but hearing that before, I believed it.

Starting point is 00:25:30 Like, it's a game. Yeah. And we talked about that. Forever. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was like Santa Barbara can be its own season. I really wanted it to be.

Starting point is 00:25:36 Yeah, we talked about that several times, like how many seasons are before they announced it. How many are they going to stretch it out to? Any final thoughts? Yeah. A couple final thoughts. And I know we got to get out of here. I think that it was smart of them to replace Dina with Tommy at the cabin for the scene and that

Starting point is 00:25:52 we got at the table. because like, okay, WLF, you know all the names of the people already. And I also thought I was smart of them to hold off on them kissing because that only adds to their arc over the course of this season, coupled with one Ellie finding out that Dina's pregnant and then Dina finding out that Ellie's immune. I think all of those things come in tandem. They're going to work really well together by the end of the show.

Starting point is 00:26:15 But, yeah, Girl plays. Dina's brilliant, man. Yeah, I really like her a lot. That's fantastic casting. Anyways, guys, what did you think of episode three of season two? Are you looking forward to the next few episodes? Of course you are. Let us know in the comments down below.

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The Reel Rejects - THE LAST OF US SEASON 2 Episode 3 Games React, Breakdown, Review, & TLOU Ending Explained

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