The Reel Rejects - THE LAST OF US SEASON 2 Episode 4 Games React, Breakdown, Review, & TLOU Ending Explained

Starting point is 00:00:00 Thank you to Hewle and Shopify for sponsoring this video. More on them in just a bit. Without further ado, let's get into it. Well, guys, we just watched episode four, season two of The Last of Us. Dang, that's a hefty boy. I am excited. I have a lot of things to say. I'm sure my friends here have their own things to say, so let's get into it.

Starting point is 00:00:29 Without further ado, let us start with Andrew. First, I want to say thank you to Prepper for making it possible to have this on YouTube. They do such a great job. So thank you guys over there. And if you're listening on Apple or Spotify, make sure you give us five-star ratings. We would appreciate it. Yeah, I got lots of thoughts. I would say that, you know, first let's start off, obviously, with the reveal of Ellie,

Starting point is 00:00:53 revealing herself to Dina in the way she did. obviously a little bit different than the game in the game we have spores that we are dealing with and the mask cracks and she has and it's interesting because Dina is about to come to in a heroic way to help her and then you know she's got to rip off her mask so they kind of

Starting point is 00:01:12 flipped it here whereas now Ellie is doing something heroic to save her so I guess you know again when taking liberties I really did like that moment in the game honestly with how Ellie reveals it there but on the flip side here while I still love that moment

Starting point is 00:01:29 I like that they actually turn it into something and talk about it and then it turns into a trust building moment between the two of them as well something to build off of and then we get the obviously back to episode two

Starting point is 00:01:44 we saw that Jesse and Ellie were both in the 7-11 and obviously I made that joke like they're going to hook up here the reason if you haven't played the game the reason I made that joke is because in the game it wasn't 7-11 but It was at Eugene's plant shop, we'll call it. At Eugene's plant shop, we saw that that's where Dina and Ellie do the thing that they just did there.

Starting point is 00:02:06 But I like, again, how they built off of this trust-building monumental moment of, you know, obviously with Ellie with that, and then obviously with revealing of the pregnancy. I don't know. It just felt kind of more organic in that way, even though it was still a beautiful, tender moment as well in the game. And I still, again, love it there. this was just a different way to deviate and not copy it because the biggest thing that I always run

Starting point is 00:02:32 into especially when I watch a lot of things like just again really quickly just get into like for instance Disney Live Action Remakes for instance I think a big problem they have is they do so much copy and paste and it legitimately feels like that for most of them whereas like with this

Starting point is 00:02:47 I like when they take their liberties and don't verbatim copy everything there's certain things we're like yeah they're doing it just like that and then other things it's like oh they're doing this in a different way but this is still satisfying while also like I still like the other version as well and that's something like that I don't scoff at and I appreciate and I really really love this as well and I'm not gonna and you guys kept saying I like this better which I love that you felt that way and I just I love them both they're both so great so I thought that was but I I will admit this what I did like better here is how this felt a little more natural in terms of turning that to a love moment from what had just happened and been revealed from the two of those because those are very big things

Starting point is 00:03:31 like revealing like that she's immune and revealing that she's pregnant here and like we're both our rider dies so I thought that was great in regards to Isaac I definitely would have liked a little bit more although I assume we're going to because we got a couple more seasons

Starting point is 00:03:47 I did like that we didn't start off with the backstory because I've always when playing the video game I want to know more about this guy like he's i want to know how the wlf got started aside from what i've read just in notes inside from what i've seen like in the wanted posters so i'm glad that we got a little bit of that territory and i did find it fascinating that either he was if it seems like he was a federal officer and i i thought it was kind of too interesting that the guy i said that kind of looked like jordan

Starting point is 00:04:16 kind of was a representation of possibly you know isaac in his younger days and like he's like all right these guys are just like so off the deep end they're so corrupt they're so you know they they they you know uh they shoot and hurt innocent people who don't deserve it and that's just not me and i'm not that's not that's not the cause i want to fight for and i i i like that he recognized that i think that was a very impactful scene and then i like seeing the contrast with that same individual that soldier later on 11 years later i'm like now he's more in that that fendful side when now he's now he's fight it's almost like they've turned into the the pedra officers that they fought against i kind of thought that was an interesting contrast both of them so but i again i'm glad that we

Starting point is 00:05:03 are starting to get more and i got to say too this isaac feels way more intimidating because we're getting to spend more time with them but that interrogation seen jeffrey right that was incredible and scary and it's interesting too that they're really coming off more of that sympathetic side with the seraphites because again the only thing we really from a sympathy point of view in the game was more from levin yara and they just came off more as savages from what we saw in the game because we didn't really get too much of their point of view and it's it's fascinating how we're going to how we're angling it so far here i'm curious how it's going to again keep going forward can i yeah can i interject one thing really quick i think what the as you were talking i think what

Starting point is 00:05:46 that scene is demonstrating because there's the seraphites are demonstrative about their you know religious side and he's very much attacking the fanaticism and their religious point of views and then when you cut to the other guy who has changed over time who's guarding the door it's also showing that hey actually i think what is failing to realize is he too was a cult leader and he too is uh is is one who influences his followers to think uh and have the similar type of adaptability and philosophy so as much as he tries to come across like the savior and you guys are of religious freaks he's doing his own version of that yeah what the mirror i think was doing for sure not seeing the reflection of his own in the mirror definitely that's a good point i also say

Starting point is 00:06:33 too i really again i like the video game version but it's so far i'm really liking this version a little bit better in terms of dina i like how she really is almost like a master strategist she's very level-headed she really takes her time and and how she processes uh the next move and she does does not just walk into danger without, you know, thinking about what the repercussions or consequences of that move is going to be. And I like watching intelligent characters in action. So I do really like the changes again we are getting. Yes, we definitely skipped a lot in this episode in regards to Seattle Day 1. But again, they did a lot of that in season one where it's like they got the gist of what we needed to get story-wise and character-wise

Starting point is 00:07:16 that it didn't bother me. And obviously, so we got to skip the shimmer parts. I'm happy from that perspective but I thought for the most part we nailed what we needed to nail in regards to Seattle day one building that trust with Ellie and Dina getting to see that backstory and also I think Greg just made a really a student a great point in regards of Isaac like failing to see you know that fanaticism in his own way and like kind of being a hypocrite in that way as well so it's kind of interesting from that because once I won't get to the obviously his ending but I think that was a great point that Greg made so great a really good episode though Yeah, Greg, what do you think?

Starting point is 00:07:52 Go next if you want, all right. All right. I thought it was a great episode. I think they were able to capture the feeling of the game, not only the feeling, but also the tone. I felt like season one did a really great job of capturing the story between Joel and Ellie. But again, I feel like a lot of people felt like the infected aspect, the danger aspect of that, the survival aspect of that was missing. So you got one, this emotional story, which, great. Granted, is what the crux of the thing is, but it's these two things in tandem, right?

Starting point is 00:08:23 And I feel like this so far has been able to capture that extremely well. I felt like I was living the game again. And not in a way where it's trying to be like nudge, nudge, wink, wink about it, but genuinely this is a terrifying situation to be in. And you guys are doing this for the sake of revenge. But obviously, that journey comes at a cost. and there's stakes here beyond just your own personal life, but the fact that Dina is pregnant,

Starting point is 00:08:54 the fact that you were coming across so many infected, the fact that you are doing this in the middle of a civil war that's happening within Seattle, which is another thing I really like that this show is highlighting because, granted, you are Ellie on a journey, so you're only getting glimpses of that war from Ellie's perspective, but because we're getting that flashback with Isaac, because we're getting that interrogation scene with Isaac,

Starting point is 00:09:18 and because we are getting more direct hints on the cycle of violence between those two factions. So early, in a direct way, it only amplifies the fact that we're going to be highlighting that in a much higher degree when we get to Abby's perspective and Abby's side of the story. So I'm happy that we're establishing that now because it's not going to be resolved on Ellie's side of the story. something else that I really enjoyed was again kind of build off what you said dina's usefulness i think dana's a great addition to the story i feel like you give someone something for ellie and someone for ellie to bounce off of

Starting point is 00:09:59 when she's going on this journey but i feel that as though she's become a lot more useful here and they really balance each other out ellie has the tenacity the drive or dina has the smart and the restraint she brings calm to ellie's ambition which I think is a very necessary thing. Not to mention

Starting point is 00:10:18 as if Bella Marseid is a fantastic actress and their chemistry makes them really engaging to watch so that's something I enjoy it a lot and I look forward

Starting point is 00:10:30 to the continuation of that the way they're able to build up the complexity of their relationship especially from episode one through what it's evolved into now I think it's really cool I will say though as much as I do like their chemistry

Starting point is 00:10:45 I felt the journey from them coming together to, oh, my God, we're going to be parents. It was like a little fast for me. It was a little too quick. But I think maybe the circumstances of that just makes it feel. I'm sorry. Can I just interject on what you just said? The reason that normally would bother me what you just said in terms of when I watch something, they're like, that is so quick.

Starting point is 00:11:11 There were going to be parents and they're totally cool with that. Yes. But we're in an post-aparplepola. apocalyptic time and then when you factor in again what just happened with like i said with the the building of the trust and then also to that the take on me moment which was so tender and so sweet it didn't bother me i can understand why it would bother you totally i get it but again with the times we're in right now like time is so precious and like it did that that did not uh it personally did not so but i get it and most of their lives they are post-apocalyptic

Starting point is 00:11:45 they're either born post-apocalypse or they've lived most of their life post-apocalyptic so they'd be a little bit more like how they how humanity was back then where you know you meet and okay we're going to be together forever now with homeboy just like a couple weeks ago like now we're going to work together forever we're going to be parent well i don't know maybe it feels like a couple episodes spread out i don't know but i thought the moment that though the speed of it didn't necessarily work for me entirely i didn't i didn't hate the moment and i feel like their chemistry is so believable, I believe that these two are now in it together. And the whole episode has kind of brought us to this point for it to be something that is

Starting point is 00:12:23 believable. So now that we've crossed that road and we are onto that, I fully accept that. I just maybe would have paced out a little bit differently. But with that, I'll also say the cruelty, kind of building off of what you were to said earlier, and I'm sure you're going to establish it more yourself. but cruelty is perspective right we see is Isaac in the beginning of the episode with the fedger crew and that one guy who's kind of obviously in doubt of what feather fedger's all about also shout out to josh peck the fact that he's in this that was awesome what a great surprise but you know we

Starting point is 00:13:02 get that and we know fedger to be bad but obviously if you have no context you're like oh my god they just he just killed like this van full of people that's crazy and we get to the scene later where he's torching the seraphite and he just puts his hand out because he really believes in his cause but then even though you're hearing isaic say these horrible things he's not the one who's beaten on the ground uh with you know burn marks on him and then you see that return of oh no the seraphites are are just as as heinous with their methodologies you know because you see them the wolves hanging in the building you're like okay war is something that is complicated war is cruelty or is about perspective.

Starting point is 00:13:46 So I feel like even though the serified side of their cruelty was not something that was honed in on in a personal sense, I feel like capturing both sides of that was crucial. The fact that we are getting to see Ellie amongst that as an additional obstacle into her journey is something that's going to be played very interestingly. And I feel like it's going to be heightened and more, more. upfront about it which i really enjoy um so yeah well i think with that uh i've said all the things i need to say for now so without the further do gregg how you feeling i'm feeling i feel better than when we started filming um the the the show has a really great job at being able to do

Starting point is 00:14:35 gay romance that brings me to tears i'll say the the the nick offerman one uh one uh remember when they kissed was what i started crying in that episode and then when they kissed here i was like starting to cry again um and it's this in the in the life of an apollo i guess this show does a really great job at throwing you into the at least for me throwing you into the apocalypse where it's nothing but despair and hopelessness and when that love and romance is found in the moment of trust and faith in each other of she they've they made a great point of she is not casual in the game when she tells dina she first tells her in a way that sounds sarcastic when they're getting high together and then reveals um it in the subway station and it works

Starting point is 00:15:25 well in the game because it's it's a moment of urgency and it's like you got no time to doubt this let's fucking go so it works really well here and then she reveals that she's pregnant too so when they do start to like you know kiss lead to them making love i i started like crying it was a really beautiful moment to me and i i do think that that this episode actually made the direction clearer for me on what they're going for. And with Ellie, Bella Ramsey, there was, I was expressing, because the last thing I want to do is join whatever this social media hate train is that is there for them. Because that's not what I feel.

Starting point is 00:16:04 And I try to be very clear about it that there's so much that I was absolutely loving. And then there's other parts where I was skeptical that it was. would fulfill. And there was something that clicked for me in this episode, whereas I wasn't quite there in the last with what Bella Ramsey's doing. And I believe this is the direction they're taking. As in the game, when it's time for Ellie to embark on the mission, Ellie's already very much skilled and capable to handle it. And it's watching her dissent into being more haunted over time through the actions of revenge. And I think, think her physical capabilities are about what we're going to be watching her grow into those

Starting point is 00:16:48 skills grow into being more violent grow into being more harsh so it'll be a struggle for her at first we're taking down one guy will be like the biggest pain in the ass in the world for her in this and then watching her like panicking uh under the when they were in the subway and and so i started really dawning on me like oh we're going to really watch this person grow more into a person who can be capable in the survival situations and I started really gravitating towards it and their performance was I thought really stellar and another thing too is this adaptation is very much an adaptation I think the first season was smart and how they pretty much adapted the game like a lot of one-to-one adapting with some aspects doing expansions like doing something completely

Starting point is 00:17:39 different with bill uh the expansion on david cult side and then other little expansions throughout ellie's mom uh but for the most part pretty much follow the game and this one is taking a lot more liberties on how they want to do it and i think the game leans a lot more haunting and cold like i really associate like a stark blue lighting to that game and this is leaning way more into the melodrama and the sadness where like that's there i'm talking about where the emotion is leaning and i think they're leaning heavily more there versus ellie and the game's a lot more distant and closed off like even you know i i think the game challenges you more on how to on liking her because like when she learns dean is pregnant and the game it's it's almost like she takes it personal

Starting point is 00:18:30 like you're you're going to like screw over the mission now you're going to screw me over and now I got to, like, look out for you. You're going to make this worse. She doesn't say all that, but it's heavily implied that's what she's thinking. Inconvenience. Yeah, yeah. In my revenge quest that I'm on right now because nothing else matters and being blinded where what they're doing with Bella Ramsey is they're layering it up more.

Starting point is 00:18:55 She doesn't feel, Ellie doesn't feel full-blown revenge. Nothing gets in my way yet. It doesn't seem like it's gone in there. I don't, truth, we don't know if the show is going to go there. Um, but that is one of the things I gravitate towards in the game. Something I was like to see that. I see the brides in the mouth. The Andrew.

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Starting point is 00:22:31 lot of there are some changes but i feel like the framework of the story is the same and when that ellie makes that choice later on in the story to leave dina to go after ab it's going to be more heartbreaking yes yes and i i think with ellie they had the whole last episode where she is pitching the council on this justice quest um as something that is right to do instead of being completely honest about i really want my revenge honestly and i think this season will be unveiling more of what's really going on underneath and go and i at least i hope they do and it seems like that's what they're doing so yeah like a lot of whatever elements i had some concern gnawing in the back of my head really started to go down uh as this episode was uh really

Starting point is 00:23:23 elevating all those qualities the one thing i will i have to give the the show credit for um that i actually do think they do better than the game is is Dina. I think Dina is a lot better here. And it's smart to emphasize her more and not just be a support for Ellie. She feels like a full-fledged character and I think

Starting point is 00:23:45 giving her that scene of learning to trust and staying up all night and weapon pointed and all that was a smart maneuver. And I like Dina in the game. I do. I like Dina. But I was never really like freak like how are they going to do Dina?

Starting point is 00:24:01 who are they going to bring to the screen i wasn't even really thinking about that when it when it came to this show nor when she showed up i was i wasn't i was more excited because in season one when they had that minor cameo of dina that was fun as a gamer to be like oh my god dear easter egg uh but i wasn't even thinking about that but this is so much becoming like equally her show now in terms of presence and impact and necessity and the way they're using her in a way to fulfill the lost part of Riley, I think is smart. Like there's, it's a true adaptation and not solely an expansion or, hey, you didn't see this scene in the game. So we're going to show it to you now. They're doing it. They're taking these, um, taking these liberties that I think are great for the

Starting point is 00:24:49 show. So much of the, I, I forget about the game and the game is my favorite game of all time. But I'll, I'll, I'll forget about the aspects of the game. Like when they went into the building with the seraphites, I had to jog my memory a little bit. Like, oh yeah, that happens like way later and it's in the day and it's a different thing um what but but i but i like the i like the remix and will shimmer die i don't know uh that'll be fucking sad um when if shimmer does go uh but i i think what they're i think what they're doing is really strong and this this made a great case the last episode did not do it for me in terms of like will they really love this show as much or stick around want to want to be here as strong without the presence of pedro pascal the actor

Starting point is 00:25:30 But this really made me go, no, I really can't wait for the next episode. I agree with you. I mean, look, you're not going to replace Pedro Pascal. He's phenomenal as Joel. And you had some strong words, like saying he's a better Joel than Troy Baker, them's some strong words. I said what I said. I prefer.

Starting point is 00:25:47 I prefer. Sorry. Sorry, my bad, my bad. But he is an amazing Joel, and he's a strong presence here. And what they are doing, like, again, you can't replace Pedro Pascal. But I really, again, I love what there's. doing with this version of dina it's incredible and also to gregg i think you make such an an incredible point of like how ellie's not as skilled at this point in you know where we're at the all day one and it's going to be interesting to see her like again as she descends more into

Starting point is 00:26:18 darkness and onto that revenge path and seeing her garner that and also i like as well seeing the contrast between her and dina because now that she's got we've seen that she has that surrogate daughter relationship she's got that personal vendetta too and that drive to want to go into darkness and seek revenge like her but she's going to be willing to stick into the light so it's going to be interesting to see that contrast between them and kind of even though we don't you know the the the relationship's not going to shatter yet yeah it's going to be fascinating to watch like just little titters and tatters of specs of that before it eventually does happen but at this point like dina and jessy and I'm assuming Tommy at some point are going to be kind of like her raise of light at this point in the process.

Starting point is 00:27:05 I will say to Bella Ramsey, she freaking killed it in that scene with take on me. I really felt like it was transformed in the game. I was almost listening to Ashley Johnson, but then getting, again, Bella Ramsey's version. Incredible, incredible, incredible job by Bella. And watching, what's the actresses name who plays, Dina? Elabella Marseid. Thank you. Isabella Marseid, like watching.

Starting point is 00:27:28 she got to write the first time there i love i love i love i loved watching her it's not not a take home words but watching her take taking the words that she was saying and it really felt like in that moment she was really falling in love with ellie i mean is more so than she already was but just such a beautiful moment i i really love that scene again really recreated from the show but again just like i wasn't even thinking about the game right there was like so in the moment it is just so beautiful and bella killed it both of them killed in that scene great job no yeah they both they both did and i felt like even the the way was framed was was gorgeous because yeah the show does a great job of showcasing emotion without words like even

Starting point is 00:28:19 from the guy at the beginning of the episode kind of looking at the perspective trying to figure out what's going on with the wolves versus fedra and him kind of coming to that decision and finding out you know that he made it all these years later with with isaic and the scene with with dina observing ellie brought to tears like in her eyes watching ellie show this her version of showcasing her love for joel and sharing that love with dina through the song because that is how they connected that's one of the areas in which they connected and It was nice seeing that from Ellie and from Bella, the fact that they were able to capture that

Starting point is 00:29:00 because obviously, you know, it's a game. Even though the game is beautiful, you know, nothing quite replaces that feeling of watching somebody in real time display their love. And you, she's displayed her love in a form with her, leading with her anger as the, the covering of grief you know this is how she's her she's grieving with through her her trying to find justice for Joel but finding justice through through his love and through their shared bond

Starting point is 00:29:36 was I thought beautiful also to kind of go back to what we were commenting on earlier with dina shining the light on Ellie and how it paralleled Pedro in the first season or felt like Pedro in the face of that that light means something different because for Ellie a felt like it was dina her pleading to dina uh to see her and to to accept her and sharing this thing with her whereas pedro when he saw that light it was or dro when he saw the light was trauma was was fighting it elicited in in a funny way it it was it was both a manifestation of their love how that presents itself was very different and then you don't really get to see how Tina's feeling because she has this this defense on and I thought that was that was really

Starting point is 00:30:25 well done. I'm not sure that I imagine the the parallel was intentional and I'm going to listen the last was podcast to have Craig Mason explain that. Oh so if you haven't listened to that podcast guys go listen to the podcast with Craig Mason Neil Druckman and Troy Baker. It's really phenomenal. Oh, Troy does it too? Troy's the one who conducts the podcast. Oh cool. They did it for season one the during of season two and gives you a lot of insight as to maybe some stuff you miss like the fact that ellie and um the the gale the therapist were kind of dueling mentally in that scene where she lied about the fact that her and jol didn't have another conversation also we didn't we missed it in the last episode the guitar uh yeah the guitar the guitar the guitar when ellie first

Starting point is 00:31:07 wakes up they showcase it already fixed in her room when the last time we saw it joel was fixing it so i think that's a little tease until you know what we'll see in there and they said maria voted right yeah because she's part of the council that she never voted yes to go on the mission oh did they say i think i think that was revealed too oh okay i didn't know that i think the podcast i forget i saw you listen to it i saw i listened to the one on the second episode but i believe i saw some comments that were saying that about um that maria voted yes and i think they said it was the podcast reveals it oh interesting uh really quick i like that you pointed out that that shot of the guitar obviously is the final shot in the game which i'm assuming we're going to do either in season

Starting point is 00:31:46 three or if they extended out to season four for part two. So I imagine that's what we're going to get. It was a good eye. And then I love that pearl jam that we got because obviously future days. Just to guess to admit, do you guys think we're not getting Abby until the last episode

Starting point is 00:32:02 here? And that's probably going to be the final shot of the last episode is where she kind of makes, he says the thing. I feel like the split point's going to be where it is in the game. Yeah, I feel like that would, that would be the natural way, right? I just feel like, I don't know. RAP Jesse, though. Hopefully they don't do that.

Starting point is 00:32:17 Well, yeah, I mean, they have to. They have to. I think when they kill them, I think if they do kill them, they'll give them more of a moment. That's what the... It was so, like, quick. Because it's locked into the immediacy, in the game, it's locked into the immediacy of the moment in Ellie's perspective on everything. And depending on, or Abby's perspective, depending on where you're playing.

Starting point is 00:32:36 And this takes its opportunity to have more moments, breathe and lived in and explore, because you're not locking into a singular. or P-O-V. Yeah. I think I buy Bella and Isabella as Ellie and Dina Moore in their relationship. I'm rooting for them faster. Whereas in the game, I was like, okay, yeah, this is her girlfriend and companion. No, they're right or die.

Starting point is 00:33:02 They're like this. And I look forward to and I'm also sad by the fact that, you know, there will be a point where Ellie has to go off on her own because Dina is not well enough to join her in that. Yeah. Well, the other thing, too, in regards to their romance, is that it's, they established, it's been three months since Joel died, too. So they had a lot of bonding taking place off screen in this amount of time, which I think can service more to that whole thing of Dina falling in love and her then sleeping with Jesse to try to like get out of it because of the parental shit that she was bringing up in her own brain, that being gay is not okay. so I do think that like in a lot of her private moments so I I weirdly didn't question that whole thing where she was fantasized because I'm like well it's been three months there's a lot of going on in her head and she's fantasized do what I mean I think when you're like falling in love with someone you fantasize about the future that you can have with them or the moments to be with them and she was expressing to her like the fantasies that she's having about like having a kid and and all that and she thought that all that I was like the fantasies that she's having about like having a kid and stuff and all that and she thought that all all going to be stripped from her yeah yeah and i think that yeah because in the last episode she's

Starting point is 00:34:19 being like i feel like she's been like a little wishy-washy with ellie it's like oh i'm like i'm not gay but like oh but it wasn't like i wasn't that high i was like bro what do you want what's happening but i'm happy they kind of explained that the the direness of their situation kind of allowed her to accept that this is what she wants and i think it was it was done in a very nice way a very believable way totally but something else from the podcast that they kind of skipped and here what they did do in the game and i'm glad they did that because i'm sure it's going to become more relevant for dina in the future is that the whole dialogue where ellie and dina are talking about the first person they killed that's happening like while you're riding on shimmer and dina

Starting point is 00:34:57 says the first person she kills uh she says she was like 10 years old 10 yeah do you remember who it was was her parents i forgot what she it i forgot because that's a conversation that's not in a cut scene that's just that's just when they're riding on their way to it to see out in the grassy area so yeah but ellie didn't ask diana who the first person she was because it was it was Riley right yeah well she said the first person i killed was too messed up so i'll tell you the second person but she she didn't ask dina back who the first person she had killed was so i imagine they're going to save that or maybe even change it yeah i don't remember i don't remember i'd have to i know i've played the game so pretence but uh last thing i i want to say

Starting point is 00:35:36 just getting onto a different uh topic really quickly i thought it was really interesting because in the game we kind of see the WLF when it comes to Isaac other than Abby kind of just like taking marching orders like whatever he says goes and I thought it was really interesting to get that perspective of that one guy when he could hear the torturing going on kind of like saying this is messed up and almost questioning like what they're doing I thought that was again another fascinating angle of play kind of just humanizes like seeing like the demoralizing thing that's going on like at the end of yeah war we do messed up things but this is still really messed up Well, that's the point of the cold thing I was talking about.

Starting point is 00:36:12 Yeah. It's like, I don't have doubts and don't question. Yeah, yeah. But again, I like that we're going, we're taking this aspect with it because in the, again, aside from Abby, like, we didn't really see anyone questioning anything Isaac did. It's just, what do you, do you want us to do this or do that? Sure. No problem, Isaac.

Starting point is 00:36:30 You know what I mean? Owen questions, right? Well, and Owen, sorry. Yeah. Owen. Well, Owen just, yeah, Owen, for sure, because Owen just didn't want to, he just wanted to get to Santa barbara and you know join the fireflies but yes agreed owen and abbey yeah yeah well you have any more thoughts i'm excited that geoffrey wright's back yeah i think geoffrey writes the shit and it's it's really

Starting point is 00:36:51 funny to me how he looks so much younger and even though this is a shot years later he looks so much younger than his video game counterpart like don't correct his video game counterpart like they aged up and uh made him a little heavier and jeffrey d or jeffrey right jeffrey right looks incredible hilarious and Jeffrey Wright is the shit so I'm really happy that he's back yeah I'm happy we introduced him earlier that way

Starting point is 00:37:18 it gives us more time with him and then when we see his relationship with Abby it's going to be more impactful later on well you watch like the manipulation with him doing the whole like standing up against Fedra it's really manipulative tactic to look like I'm here for the people and not this fascist government shit

Starting point is 00:37:33 so I think it's really smart how they're demonstrating his tactics, his war tactics here. And I can't wait for more. Yeah, I'm loving it, man. I'm still loving the hell of the show. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:47 Hopefully we get Jesse back next week. We'll see. Maybe. Looking forward to it. Maybe. Well, all right, guys. That'll be us for us today. That'll be it for us today. We look forward to seeing guys the next one. Until next time, deuses.

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