The Reel Rejects - THE LAST OF US Season 2 LIVE Predictions And Theories MAJOR SPOILERS | ABBY & ELLIE | Ending Explained

Episode Date: March 14, 2023

ABBY IS COMING! After an incredible Season 1 Finale with TLOU Episode 9, we're here for our Spoiler Review & Season 2 Theories where we will have the Joel Death Scene (Pedro Pascal) sure to stir up controversy. Here's our Breakdown, Easter Eggs, & as well as predictions for what's to come. #TheLastOfUS #TheLastOfUsHBO #TLOU #TheLastOfUsPart2 #TheLastOfUsPartII #PedroPascal #BellaRamsey #Ellie #Joel #joelandellie #Abby #NaughtyDog #EndingExplained - The Last Of Us Episode 9 Finale Reaction: https://youtu.be/HjB1BZ0hqYM - Become A Patron-O-Ject Supporter For Full-Length T.V. Show REACTIONS & Q&A'S!!! https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects - Become A Super Sexy Reject For Full Length T.V. Show Reactions! https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Let us know in the chat if we're live. Andrew, look awake, would you? For crying out loud. Are you going to say this isn't Jabby's channel? This is not Jabby. Don't fall asleep. you can you can sleep all you want me around the did the Cinnapal's channel but not here we used up all of our notification bells so you know um please leave a like on this video because we're not

our notification bell did not go out to most of our subscribers today for this stream so be interesting to see how many people appear but who do we got in the chat so far who we got predictions of people who played the game alma yeah that's true that's a great point but i feel like they might change some stuff they're so something to talk about. Jordan Reese in the chat, Desan, Mel in episode 8. Did you notice Mel in episode 8? No, I did not.

Someone did say that Abby was there. There was a little girl would pony, like a pig, I don't know what they were talking about. I did see someone post that. I didn't rewatch the part where they said was like at around the 30 minute mark, but yeah, I'd have to re-see. Yeah, I have no idea what people are talking about. I feel like there would have been images of that online, but yeah, I haven't seen that. Thanks, John. Thank you, buddy.

all right and in regards to that comment about people who played the game making predictions yeah i mean that's a fair point but also too if anything episode three taught us and other certain things they will change certain things up so i mean they're not going to be completely perfectly faithful in every which way so yeah that's fair okay so they said

desonseil mel was sitting next to the girl that got slapped by the preacher uh oh you mean like the actress or the actual character. If it was the actual character, I'd never heard them say, Mel. Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. It's getting confusing. Yeah. But yeah, guys, go ahead and leave a like on this. We did not get a, yeah, our notification bells are not working right now. I was Mel, it wouldn't make sense because, I mean, we're allowed to talk spoilers here, right? This whole thing is going to be very spoiler. Sorry, guys. I've been like really careful what I'm supposed to say the last nine weeks. So like, now I'm on like just, I got to ask Greg. type of thing now but yeah if that was Mel in episode 8 which it sounds like these people are saying it's not it would make no sense in terms of what happens in the second game because we know that

Mel is a firefly and that she was there with them in Utah so yeah it would make absolutely no sense oh thank you so much Cody Maverick Andrew you see your frame here yeah you're too much in the box oh wait I need to reload this chat guys I need to reload the chat here hold on let me let me fix this for everyone

Sorry, Andrew. Sorry. Andrew, I'm sorry. It's okay. You're forgiven. I'm sorry. I was like, oh, yeah, this looks like no one's here at all. Hold on a second.

Let me get this going. I'm going to fix this, everyone. I'm going to fix this. Hold on. I'm going to fix this for everyone so they can see their chat on screen. I wonder what would happen if I close this out because I don't think it would end the stream. No, no, no, no. Would.

Hold on a second. Guys, I'm going to fix this. hold on i can't do it it's not letting me do the thing we're fixing anyway who do you think should play abby and do you have a pick for abby because we're getting that like that question quite a bit here in the chat yeah they should just uh get laura bailey and then do the cg i think with mark hamill right yeah that would be good and that was the popular choice originally i mean you know i i mean i don't have i don't have an actress in mind i mean i mean, I think they nailed their casting choices when it comes to Pedro Pascal and Bella

Ramsey. And I didn't have those actors in mind when it came to those roles. So in terms of Ellie and Joel. So honestly, at this point, I trust Neil Druckman completely. And Craig Mason, did I say that right? Uh, yeah. Okay, because I feel like I was pronounced his name. I trust them completely. Uh, their cat, the casting that they did in season one pretty much across the board was spot on. So, uh, I don't particularly have an actor in, mind that I'd want. All I would say is whoever that actor ends up being. I would probably get off social media for the next couple of years because there's I mean, again, I personally and thoroughly enjoyed part two. I understand how divisive it is and

I get why. I totally understand, respect everyone's opinion towards it, even if I don't agree with some of the opinions. But I would just say a lot of the hate obviously came towards Abby. so whoever that actress is, whether it's accomplished or not, just immediately, like, you're going to get into that, you know, you get into that fandom of there's going to be people out there who are not going to be happy with that character just from the game. So I would just caution whoever that actress is about social media and just not taking things too personally. I feel like, you know who I saw as a pick? There it is. I figured it out. Oh, yeah, didn't we? I figured it out, guys. Look, look, I did it. It's genius. Really quick, not to interrupt you. There was an actress that we saw. You said not to interrupt me and you full on it. I am.

I'm sorry. I just wanted to remind you. There was an actress we saw I showed you like a month ago. She looked just like Abby and you're like, oh yeah, I know this actress. Is that who you were about to say? No, no, no. I was going to say, okay, all right, guys. Sorry, I was trying to get this chat on screen that way you could actually see what everyone's

saying to. Yeah, no, what I was hearing, a fan pick that I've been seeing going around a lot is actually um florence pew and i was like you know what yeah there it is cloud 19 just said it right there i was thinking yeah florence pew actually wouldn't be a bad pick i don't think she'd be a bad pick uh how i mean abby is what in in the games i mean i feel like her and and uh ellie are roughly around the same age right who gives a shit she can play abby yeah i mean she has a young face yeah that's she looks really young i guess no that's that's true but yeah i i am curious too about that actress i'm not saying they are going to pick her but that

i don't remember her name the one i showed you like a month or so ago but we both looked there and like holy crap this looks just like abby uh yeah shannon barry i think was her name oh okay yeah she like i could totally see her just i mean from a visual i i don't know her acting range but what was your guys's favorite episodes oh good question um yeah jabby heard i was going to be doing a spoiler talk and then he was like i'm going to go ahead and do that too that's how this goes freeze her money says please know she's a bit too traditionally pretty see i feel like you can now i don't think abby's i actually don't feel like abbey is ugly like a lot of people feel um but it she i think the thing with abby is she needs to have the

physicality as well so yeah this this whole thing uh of this talk today is is meant for people who just played i realize if we just did a live spoiler talk people would be spoiled the game so we might as well just talk about the actual um we might as well talk about like full on spoilers today for people out play the game so we don't expect like a bunch of people to be in this live stream today only because of the fact that most people a lot of people who actually watch our video is like oh a lot of people who comment actually haven't seen it either yeah um this is this shirt right here is a real rejects exclusive one thank you for asking oh and then we got a super chat here from dakota let me go find that super chat here thank you dakota jones thank you so much

trick or tribute. He said, I'd be a liar if I said I didn't want more clickers. I would have. But they kept the baby girl moment. And for that, I am happy, need more action in two. I agree. Do you guys know how the baby girl moment came to be in the, in the video game itself, how that translated actually into this, do you know the history with it? I just remember he called her Sarah Baby Girl, but I don't know the history of how it became a line. No. Okay. So what happened with, Andrew, you're way too close to the screen. Let's move you over. You have to have some mindfulness here mindfulness please i'm a new when it comes to the live stream so um what happened was uh troy baker it was it was a line that i believe it was with he was doing a scene with

sarah when they were making the last of us one and troy baker had uh he was like improvising some lines and he said baby girl to sarah and neil drunkman was hearing that and he's like what did you say and he Troy baker wasn't sure what it was and then he said was a baby girl because that's such like a common thing apparently that Texans say. And right then and there, Neil Druckman said, that's it. That's what you're going to call Ellie later on. And that became like an iconic moment for it. And it was actually Troy Baker who improvised saying that. And then Neil Druckman took note of that and wanted to infuse that in there. Dude, I love, honestly, I love stories. Thank you, Troy Baker, by the way. That's awesome. That's awesome. But I love stories like that when you hear about

actors improvising such iconic lines, Han Solo and Empire Strikes Back. You know, I know. after Leia says, I love you, and also, of course, the great Roy Scheider, God rest his soul in Jaws when he says, you're going to need a bigger boat. Like, I love when these actors just improvise such iconic lines like that. And then they're like just seared into our heads when we think about these scenes. But that is such a cool story. Yeah. And I never knew that. Cartman 1-414 in the chat saying, whoever it is, I pray for them, the backlash Laura Bailey got was ridiculous.

Oh, it was terrible. See, that's the thing that I feel like is a little bit worrisome for whoever is going to be playing Abby is that it's going to be one of those cases it's unavoidable as much as there's going to be people like i see a lot of people in the chat who are very sound and logical about it uh we're going to be very logical about it there's going to be so many people who are just going to become in an uproar especially now that pedro pascal is this like national like not even now like a worldwide sensation right now once they cast abbey once abbey is cast like i feel sorry for pretty much it's one of those things where even if you haven't played the game

odds of you getting it spoiled for you are going to be insanely likely like people are going to go why is everyone pissed off about this abby casting people are just going to find out and so many people are going to have it ruin for them and then of course it's going to be the thing where the actress for some reason gets the blame and it's not like the cool kind of burden you got a bear when you're like your cast is Batman, you'll get some crap, but don't worry you can win them over. The character of Abby is already a tough one to crack

for people. And so I already feel sorry for whoever it is that's going to be playing that. And I'm sure again, like the warnings that we've given out, I'm sure that they're going to talk to whomever that is just about social media and all that like, hey, it might be a good idea to, I mean, do obviously

whatever makes you comfortable, but it might be a good idea to possibly get off just because out of your control, people would just take it very personally when it comes to that specific character and you know we don't want you getting the brunt of the hate before you even get in here to film anything and like have that affect your performance because i mean you know for me personally again i i understand you know the divisiveness of of last of us part two and also with abby i i get it you know we we grown so attached to joel and ellie and we don't want anything happening in these characters and i know of a lot of people

also said it's not just the fact that it happened to joel it's the way it's happen but I've also tried to say hey like the last of us to me is always about moral perspective and you know if you put yourself in happy shoes I can imagine you would feel the same way the same hatred she felt towards Joel and you'd want to get a Joel in one as well so I mean again I just caution that actress I'm sure she's going to do a fantastic job again if season one has shown us anything they Neil Druckman Craig Mason they know how to frickin nail casting so I'm sure whoever they pick is going to do an amazing job And like I said, just be careful on social media.

I think that, too, there's a sense of fate as well when it comes to The Last of Us. Like something of like Joel who's, you know, he's looking for Tommy, but then he ends up running, finding him in a spot where he wouldn't expect to find him. Like it feels like he read into him as opposed to I was searching for this exact spot and then I found him. And it's kind of the same thing that happens with Abby in the second game when Abby does encounter both Joel and Tommy. it's like there is a sense of fate so i don't know something about the golf club the first time i played it really bother me but the second time around doesn't really bother as much well you made a good point you said i mean again this isn't for everyone but i know you i remember when you said this

i still enjoyed it a lot the first time i played it especially the gameplay was just so much fun it was so much more fluid and i know you can't always compare games when they're seven years apart because obviously there's going to be technical feats that are achieved years later but when i played the game back to back with the first to second one it just floats so much more seamlessly and I enjoyed it so much more and you're the one who suggested that to me because I didn't play

the first one immediately right before I played the second one the first time and it definitely bothered me the first time I played it as well but then immediately playing after the first one's like okay this flows a lot more makes a lot more sense with just again with you know how it's going with the

immediately following the first one so yeah that was a a good suggestion on your part. I mean, I feel like they kind of prime you for that, too, because Craig Mason and Neil Druckman said that they thought about, like, the following season while crafting this season. Oh, yeah. Like the whole overarching story. That's why you get so many season two Easter eggs on, or, or not even Easter eggs, so much.

Foreshadowing and world building to establish the grounds for season two and then changing up some plots and themes in order to have its segue better for the themes of season two. So Jacob C said, if we're doing full spoilers, I hope we spend more time with Joe before he's killed off. I don't want it to be in the first episode or two. I'm okay with that if they do that. I mean, I believe that they've announced or have hinted at the whole part two is not going to be in one season, as was this one.

I mean, you can't do part two in one season, not in nine episodes. If it's going to be in one season, it's got to be at least, what, 18 to 21 episode. I mean, the length of part two. I know again that they cut a lot I know the argument's probably going to be made they cut a lot of stuff out so you probably get a couple episodes out of that from all the stuff that they do cut out

but I really feel like you got to make this two parts like it's too long to do one season yeah I don't feel like I really don't think that if they did it as one season it would do the storage like because the last of us game is it's relatively

short yeah the first one especially for a for a video game experience it's a pretty short game um all things can i mean still you have to dedicate some time to to beat it but it's all things considered but the last of us part two that's a that's a real journey you got to go on and that's a commitment to to beating that game i am curious though structurally how they would do because for those if you don't care about spoilers and you're here cool uh but just a quick refresher on how it goes is you first play as pre you primarily first play as ellie and after joel dies she's on the hunt for abbey and then when after several days eventually she does

come face to face with abbey then it backtracks and then you focus on abby's perspective and storyline on those same days and you get to understand her life who she is where she's coming she has this whole other adventure that has nothing to do with trying to find ellie uh it deals with the seraphites who are are more of like uh this cultural tribalistic type of people and owen and owen who andrew would be a Owen casting by the way and so you you have these people and her being with the fireflies and then she comes into to encounter Ellie and then after they have a conflict and it goes back to Ellie and she's like you know what I still want revenge so it's it's a weird structure too to begin with is whereas the last of us the first game is so linear you know it's a it's just

a straight shot you know to the fireflies is basically the journey what you see unfold in the like if anything they took creative liberties with the structuring with the the the first season of the show has more of a complicated structure than the the video game does so i have no clue at all because like there's one one theory that sounds neat to me to divide it into a couple of seasons would be if you did the first half like the whole ellie side as one season and then you continued it from Abbottie's side. Or I think what they would have to do, though, to really get you on board this journey

is you would eventually just have to cut back and forth between the two. I think that's the smoothest way you can do it. I would personally think that is the better way because, again, you're going to go, you're going to have the whole season. I mean, again, for us gamers who know what's up, like we're going to have an understand what's going on.

But in terms of the casual fan who doesn't know what's happening, I think that's the smoother and smarter thing to do because you want people also being invested in Abbey. You don't want the same divisiveness that you had in terms of the game. So if you're trying to get people on board, just focusing on Abby that first season and then stopping it right there and like,

all right, there's this character that just killed this character that we've grown in love with. Sit on that for a year and then we're going to come back there. I just don't think that's, I don't know. I don't think that's going to be the right move. and it's going to be a tougher selling people invested in Abby sitting on a year of not seeing her perspective or her point of view and then coming back to that a year later. I don't know.

I just feel like that would be tougher. So I think you're 100% right. That would be the smoother transition to keep cutting back and forth. And it would be definitely, you know, deviate from the game for sure because obviously, like he said, it was a completely different story structure for the second game, which I thought was cool. You know what? I actually enjoyed it.

I mean, you can make a case. it ruined a little bit of the pacing of the second game, but I actually thoroughly enjoyed this whole revenge trip because, I mean, that's what we all felt at first because we want to get revenge for Joel. And then, again, the whole moral dilemma, moral perspective of where Abby's coming from. And you understand like, hey, you know,

Joel's not just taking out, you know, nobody, like these people have families. There's consequences and ramifications to Joel's actions. And that's what I appreciate about the second game so much. I thought they really hammer that home with Fleshing that out on the world of the first game Of the first season of the show though too Because you spend so much more time humanizing

Other characters that you normally wouldn't humanize Yes And because they took the time to really do that That sets the groundwork For what occurs when Joel ends up dying In the second In this I'm presuming the second season And if anything I feel like they're probably

Going to give us more flashbacks with Joel Definitely Because you don't really get that much time with Joel in the second game even in the form of flashbacks and I think this time around you'll get way more flashbacks. Yeah. I personally, again, this is my personal thing that I think. I don't think they're going to kill them in the first couple of episodes. I think it's going to be a little bit long, maybe four or five, don't know, but there's definitely going to be a lot of flashbacks when it comes to, you're not just going to get completely get rid of Pedro Pascal. You're going to want to

you, I mean, when you got a world. Pedro Pascal, man. You got one of the biggest stars ever and he just owns the role of Joel. So, I mean, if they, if there's one thing that besides the casting that I mentioned that Neil Druckman and Craig Mason did beautifully in the first season, they expanded upon things that were not, you know, touched upon in the game in such a beautiful, methodical, and interesting way. And I think they're going to like, again, do that with flying colors in the second game. And you can do that with a lot of the flashbacks because a lot of the flashbacks are some

of my favorite moments in the game. When they go, when he takes Ellie to the museum and, you know, what he does. for her for her birthday like that's one of my in both games that's one of my favorite moments ever like the joy he gets in her face like in the i mean just getting them together like i love moments like that so i'm assuming that they're going to have definitely a lot of flashbacks and use pedro pascal as much as possible because you're the non-casual fan you are going to get upset that they've grown so invested in joel whether they agreed with his decision what he did with ellie here at the end a lot of people are invested in Joel.

Again, we're talking about non, you know, casual gamer fans that are watching the show. So they're going to be really upset and, you know, what's the rewatchability here now in season two when this character is gone? But if they know, hey, there's a lot of flashbacks, okay, no, I can keep coming back to this because I know, even though I'm upset at the notion that he has gone, understanding the ramifications of what he did and there are consequences, now I know, hey, there's a lot of flashbacks. I get to still watch him and see the in-between stuff that led up to this. That's sure. That's a good point. Deleted XO is saying, I really hope they don't cut out the Rat King in season two.

I could see if they are doing what Greg was mentioning in terms of going back and forth between Ellie and Abby, if you remember that does happen way later on Abby's journey because she's trying to get the medicine for Yara's arm before they do the surgery. So I would imagine, I agree with you, I don't think they're cutting the Rat King out. That I'd be really upset about if they cut that out. And, of course, I'd get accused of being a complainer. But I don't see them cutting out the racking, but I do see that happening in season three. I just think it's way too far along in the storyline for that to be season two. What about you?

I think your face is being cut off by the chat right now. And it's such a leaner. I think what happened, I think for season two, they need to first rebuild up the – Because Neil Drubman and Craig Mason did say that when it comes to the infected, that if they thought that it didn't drive the narrative forward, the story forward, they were going to just excise it, that it wasn't really a question.

Yeah. But I know they listen to, I know they pay attention to what fans are saying, not that like Neil Druckman is one, two, becomes subservient to what fans want, not like he's going to undo what happens to Joel in the second game. I think, though, that that is a,

I think the complaint, though, that based kind of reading in between the lines, I could see how they might have seen some validity, to what some people have said because it is kind of a common thing because I've even heard non-gamer say that they felt like there should have been more infected I've heard quite a few people say that

just to really help that that part of the world feel more lived in and I think you need to see more of that like before we go to Rat King we need to really see a bloater I think you need to see like the bloater's really in action like you only got like a T if anything you got a teaser trailer

for what a bloater is capable of but none of that real high suspense like in the second game there's this section where, as a quick refresher, what is Shamblers. She's part of the WLF. WLF. She's part of the W. Washington

Liberation Front. Abby's part of the Washington Liberation Front and Isaac's in charge. Territorial, they're a territorial war with the Serifites. Andrew, I will get there. I will get there. Just hoping you out. Mr. Interruptor, just give me a second. Give me just

like two extra seconds and I'll get there. As an anticipatory help out. Is this what you do at the Jabby Coay channel? Always. I always interrupt. Does he yell at you? Actually, actually never. He's like interrupt as much as you. It's probably because he's not smarter enough to get to the point himself and he's relying on you. Whereas I know my brain will eventually get there. Sorry, go ahead. I'm sorry. You don't have to be sorry. Just be better. You know what I mean? Okay. You know what I'm saying, Andrew? I'll be better, Greg.

You know what I'm saying? So, uh, yes. What were we even talking to? you were talking about seraphites that's where you come in thanks man so the seraphites and because they're a war with the seraphites and it is a thing where like they you know they learn all these ideologies that abby has developed over time by being part of w lf and like you know what i have a misconception of what a lot of these people are actually like but one of my favorite sequences in the most intense sequence one of the most intense sequences a lot of people go to the rat king for what is so scary and it is a scary sequence and the like last of us two game but one of the scariest moments to me is when um she's escaping with lev and and yara and then she gets trapped in that house and she and she can't get out she's at this battle like all different varieties of infected abbey remember that sequence and that's and she thinks that like lev and yara abandoned her yes yes that scene right there i'm like that would be such a great live action sequence and that is one where i'm like i be the way you felt in episode eight about them skipping that scene.

I'm like, I could see how you can get away when not including that scene? Like, you don't necessarily need that sequence. Yeah. But it would really bother you. Just thinking ahead, I mean, maybe in the moment it won't bother me so much, but right now I'm like, ah, I

really hope they bring that sequence to life because that is wildly intense. That's one of the part of, that's one of the aspects of the, of the fear building of the world of like, that is insanely scary when you're playing as Abby in that moment. And not only that but again it's storytelling action you know what i mean it's character development action in terms of like lev doesn't want to like save or help abby like she she's a sarah even though she's an apostate

she is a seraphite at the end of day she believes in what she believes and this is a w lf you know member and she doesn't want to save her so it goes so far along and building their relationship building the trust between them yeah you can't skip over that but again it's again it's not to defend myself but That's the reason why I was, as you just mentioned, a little bit upset at the episode eight. I mean, there's been so many action sequences cut out that I didn't say anything. I said, hey, visually, would have been cool if they included them? Would it add it a long way to go in terms of just the world building and understanding like, oh, my God, like, this world is just really full of infected and like there's no safe haven anywhere.

But in terms of like when it's when it comes to storytelling action or character development action, those are the bits I really want included. And I agree with you, that's, I mean, I wasn't even thinking about that moment. Honestly, like the Rat King, if anything, that's not even a necessary. It's, if you think about it, it's really not a necessary thing for the story. It's not. But visually, damn, I want to see that. It's so scary.

Like, there's a tad bit of fan service that I think you got to up. There's a tiny bit you got to uphold, you know? Yeah, if, it look, I'll look at it this way. You know, if season one is alien, then season two's got to be aliens. Yeah, it's a great way to put it. the slow burn type of thing where you're barely seeing the monster and then season two it's james cameron let's go all out let's let's shoot some monsters all over the place all right so um ellie became comics boy p says in the chat and thank you to everyone has contributed to super chats by the

way support means a lot thank you um that so but obviously we're just going through everyone's comments today so thank you we will go to the super chat uh where to go how are they going to get Ellie to be buff for season two. Jack says they don't need to recast Ellie at all. They will make it work. They're not recasting. They already said that Belly is here to stay. And also too, in real life, Bella Ramsey is 18 or 19 years old. So I don't think she was 17 when they started filming. Yeah, I don't think that's going to be a problem. In regards to how she's going to get buff. I mean, it's very simple. She's going to go to the gym. She's going to eat nutritionally. And I would imagine that's how she's going to get buff. I mean, I, like, Ellie became my favorite character. Like,

I love Ellie in the first game. Don't get me wrong. I do. In the second game, that's when she definitively became my favorite video game character. So to me, I hold, it's going to be hard for me as someone who is so in love with, I love the second game and I love Ellie so much in that. Like there's that sequence. I love that sequence when she's like fucking up all those WLF people, you know, before. Or, what's his name?

Give me the name, Andrew, the Asian guy. Jesse. There he go. I wasn't saying anything. See how I invited? That's why I didn't say anything. I was being better. I was being better.

You did better and I appreciate that. I have a character arc even on a live stream. I'm being fleshed out. When Jesse shows up, that whole sequence is one of the coolest. I love that sequence. That is such a cathartic, like, unleashing of, like, even though these are not the These are not the direct people who killed Joel. You really get that sensation of like, yeah, you guys can go fuck yourself, like, die.

And I really love that moment. And Ellie in that game, like, she's brutal and she's unbelievably tortured and more much. And, yeah, she does feel, because she feels like so much younger in the first game because she is. Yeah. That I am going to feel like it's going to be hard for me to completely. wipe, I mean, who knows? By the time it comes out, I'll be, I'll, I feel like every two years I'm a different person, honestly. I feel like I'm a different person every two years. So by the time it comes out, I'll probably have a much easier time just wiping my brain away from the second game. But I'm going to hold the bell around to do a bit of a higher standard for my personal subjective viewing experience because that portrayal of Ellie in there is, and I saw shades of it in the final episode here, like that, that she did evolve because she seemed, she did such a good job. job Bella Ramsey at embracing the child side of Ellie that I found myself surprised by how amazing she was in episode eight and nine. I'm like, oh shit, she is pulling off the other layers

of Ellie really well. Like she was so believable as the child side of Ellie, who was, I don't want to say jaded, but, you know, just much more innocent. That by the time she gets to episode eight and nine, where she is becoming more dejected and that trauma's weighing on her and becoming more hollow. And she's talking in a lower register, all those things. I was really impressed with, oh, man, you really sold me to, you were so good on the childlike side that I didn't, I wasn't, I wasn't 100% confident you could pull off this other side. And then you started proving it to me. So yeah, I mean, there is a physicality to Ellie in, and in season two that she would have to pull off. But I feel like, I feel like she can do it because she's going to probably

go through a lot of training because by that point, Ellie is a much more experienced hunter-gatherer and whatnot. Yeah, no, you make a great point. She really did a great job when it comes to the child side of Ellie. Mickey Rourke for Abby. I love that. Nicky Rourke for Abby. Oh, boy. Yeah, I'd love to, I'd love to see that. But no, I mean, you make a great point that she really did a good job in terms of the the childlike ability that she showed us and she really like seriously the last two episodes especially episode nine i was extremely riveted by her performance i mean just showing how much like the trauma of what this cannibal that like wanted to make her her pet and just as a complete pedophile what it did her because again as i mentioned she lives in a world of infected and people trying to kill her every single day so i mean that should for a 14 year old kid that should be traumatic enough as it is but what David did to her like a part of her soul like was completely like just taken from her in a sense and obviously Joel is like the last remnant keeping that soul intact and when he's ripped away from her like all right all bets are off and she just goes on a violent revenge angry path I mean it's beautiful to watch in the game like it's it's amazing she's freaking incredible such a such a three dimensional character in that game but

Basically, the point I'm making is Bella Ramsey, what I saw her do in episode, especially episode nine, like when I saw the weight of the of that trauma that David did to her, like, I'm like, oh, she's like, I'm ready. Like, I can see that rage is just like boiling beneath the surface. And I know Bella Ramsey's just going to like kill it in season two, literally and figuratively speaking. Like I was just so floored by her performance and especially episode nine, like just seeing that. like wow she really no she really did it like i was really buying her as as ellie again like you said from the child side but seeing her like having that whole weight of the world and her whole soul gone like she like that's not easy to do body language and facial why i mean she killed it that last episode no she was excellent we're gonna go back to the chat and uh i just

want to make sure because i i tend to have a habit of taking way too long to get to the people who did contribute in the superchats but we don't have we don't have like a a a shit ton of superchats right now so i want to make sure we can stay on track i'm going to go pull back to the um to the chat here just one second out of it come on gregg i got to bed at like six in the morning guys i'm slowly remembering how to live i i kept uh texting and calling gregg all night about how good that that episode was it was my fault that he didn't go to bed yeah dude what's your problem andrew i'm sorry i just can't help him when i'm excited it's okay buddy just pulling it up here no it's not working you know what no i'm just going to scroll in the actual

chat i got this i got this everyone don't worry then i'm going to scroll back to where we left off at oh my god there's there's shortcuts i know a shortcut to do this watch watch andrew have you heard of this option called command f i have not heard of command what does command f basically allows you to just control fine. It's amazing. I was like, oh, wait a minute. Hey, our first super chat from Renta 59. Well, N.D., that's Neil Druckman.

Neil Druckman, not Notre Dame. Not Notre Dame high school. Well, well, Neil Druckman have enough time to finish part three before season four is set. Part two has to be two seasons. You can't tell a 50-hour story in nine episodes. I mean, he hasn't committed

it's doing a part three yet i mean he's he's like teased he's had ideas on the horizon yeah and i mean if they're going to do part three that's going to take at least what four four or five years probably to do in terms of you got to write out the story you got to write out the dialogue you got to get all the stuff ready for the game i mean that's it's like a video game is i mean everything is a process tv shows are and films but a video game is like a dedicated long especially nowadays with next gen you know all these new systems we have and it's it would take in my in my estimation even if the story was ready right now yeah i feel like it'd be at least what four or five years till it's probably out yeah yeah so and i would imagine season two's going to happen mid to late next

year would probably be my guess i'm going to guess that they're going to start filming late late this year i mean when you got a monster hit like this i can't imagine that they're going to take way too long to start filming so my guess to admit is they start filming later this year mid to late next year season two comes out and then again you're going to have the part three which is going to be

I'm guessing the completion of part two of the video games so season three and that's what 2025 will be in at that point you're not going to have part three out by there's no way part three will be out in two years like I just I mean do you see part three being out

in two to three years I don't I know I mean I've and I feel like there I think there is more room to tell because the way part two ends Ellie doesn't get her revenge she lets Abby and Lev go. But she's lost everything in the process in her pursuit of revenge, you know. She can't even play the guitar anymore.

She's lost Joel. She's lost. Dina. Thank you. I was blanking. No. Thank you. So she lost Dina.

And in that process, you know, she's left this really hollow thing. However, she still is the one and only person that we know of who is immune to the virus. And there's still, so I'm like, you can't do that thing where you bring it back. that you know those those great trilogies that bring it back to the first one you can bring it back to the first one of you still are the one who has the capability to help produce a vaccine in this world and you might be able to let that hope actually pay off i'm all for that bleakness that reality that harshness i love it it's so sad and it weighs on you and it's mean and i love it however you can end this in a way where there you don't even have to end it with like Like, we got a vaccine in the world that's cured. But you can do something where, like, maybe it's the journey where she does get, they do find a doctor where they can at least start the process and it can just end there. You know what I mean?

Like the, the doors left open of what could possibly happen. Right. So there you go. But, yeah, I would love for them to do a part three. Oh, for sure. I definitely. Especially with how part two ended. I definitely want to continue.

It should be one where it's like, now Abby and Ellie team up. Well, and Lev, too, right? And Lev, and then you get Dina back. It's just a crossover. We call it the 355. And then maybe if there's a time jump, maybe if it's a time jump, we'll have JJ jump in there too. And then what they can do is they can access the multiverse and they could get Joel back and Joel from another dimension. It's the Josh Brolin version of Joel.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that would be amazing. All right, so Name Summit says In part two Oh, thank you, Name Summit, by the way. Thank you so much. In part two, after Joel brutally killed by group WLF,

Tommy role become more important in game. I hope they also show how Ellie's perspective changed in end. Tommy's role becomes more important. Yeah, it's true. You know what? In the game, Tommy has his whole adventure. That's like,

they cast Gabriel fucking Luna, you know, who's an amazing actor. Great. So, yeah, so when it comes to, when it comes to Tommy in the second game, he has this whole adventure where while Ellie is hunting, Tommy goes off to go hunt as well, to go track down Abby. And then eventually, you know, you cross paths and whatnot and you get some of Tommy. I remember being in the game and when Abby shoots him in the leg or something, I was like, you bitch, you better not freaking like, they kill off both jewel in Tommy. like that would have been so messed up and then he's injured so much to the point where he can't even go get revenge by the end it's really heartbreaking you really want him to get some catharsis yeah but what i'm saying is like i think they could have like a dedicated episode if they do play around with time a lot here where you do see you you can't have an episode where you do get like all from tommy's perspective i would love to see that that would be really cool gabriel luna actually get that or you do cut or you can have in the Instead of doing two storylines, you could have three storylines.

That would be a good way to mix it up for season two, I think. If you have one where you're following Ellie, one where you're following Abby, which is the main ones, and then one where you also check in with Tommy. Yeah. Because they are all. And then you can have ones where you actually do focus on Lev and Yara. Like when you catch up with Lev and Yara, Lev is being exiled from the, from the seraphites in that game. So they could probably do that thing where in season one where you actually see the lead up to. Lev being exiled.

That would be great. Yeah, again, if... Really get to know, they'll probably really humanize the seraphites beforehand, then you see you how... Because you get the whole thing with Yara and Yara's mom.

There's this whole history that they talk about that you don't actually get a witness. And so, because a lot of people are thinking about Abby, Abby, Abby, right, when it comes to this one, but I'm like,

Levin, the thing that made me really when I realized, like, you know what? I really love this Abby character. Like, I grew to love Abby. Was the scene when with Abby and Lev

and Abby I forget the line that leads into Abby saying this but Abby eventually turns to Lev when Abby's like fucking up some of the WLF and then goes

you're my family you're my people you're my people that's the line you're my people I remember that moment was I was like that was very moving

like when they do the show they cannot skip that beat that is such an important beat and like Lev and Yaras but especially Lev is such an important character and I'm like we're not even really talking so much about who's going to play that person

but we can get so much more backstory with them Yeah I mean and first of all Greg you can admit the truth you became invested in Abby when Owen and her were in the boat and had their you know their sex scene I don't appreciate it's sarcasm on this channel I'm not I'm being honest I remember you called me and said hi Andrew have you gotten to this part yet

it's like the best scene it's like a full on you know sex scene in this game so like nudity it's amazing anyways i agree with everything you just said uh and also too what i loved about that that is one of my favorite lines what you meant uh the you're my people i love that line so much they definitely better keep pat line in yeah yeah definitely but i think what i love too about the whole lev and abby's storyline is in essence she becomes joel and lev becomes ellie not from a perspective of you know she's got the cure or anything to to make mankind back to what it used to be, but more of just that surrogate, you know, son and type of

mother type of bondship that, obviously, Joel, father, and daughter type of bondship, like, I'm doing everything at all cost to protect this person. Yeah. So I love that perspective. So, I mean, it gives Abby, again, that's why I love Last of us so much. There's so much moral perspective and so much these characters learn from their mistakes and when it comes to revenge and hatred. And at like that's what i love that abby goes through throughout the game and ellie goes throughout the game so i mean yeah but in terms of cutting back to to tommy i i'd really be shocked if they don't have at least one episode where we see stuff from tommy's perspective just again because again in season one we saw how much stuff was expanded upon stuff that wasn't even

in i mean episode three like none of that's in the game yeah for the most part none of that's in the game at all with frank and bill which and i loved all that it was great so i mean neil drunkman and Craig Mason, I mean, the sky is the limit for them. So there are some stuff. And I mean, I definitely would love to see some flashbacks too, just like you said, leading up to you know, Lev becoming an apostate and what led to that all, I mean, there's so

much stuff you can, I mean, again, the game is so damn long that it's going to take two seasons, but there's so much other stuff that you can layer around it as well. So I'm looking forward to seeing what they're going to do. John Lellis, thank you for the super chat. I agree that I need more effective and more importantly. Shame on HBO for not featuring bricks and bottles.

Shame. Yeah. It would have been way too high in if they had a, if they had listen mode in here. One episode I said, where's listen mode? Like, come on. I think they do got to bring some of the, I think it would be, and then they don't have to. It would be cool, though, if they did bring. Because, because there is such a, there is such a release, especially in the second game when it comes to the action, you know, like it is so motive.

because the action in the first game is mainly motivated by protecting and surviving where the action in the, especially on Ellie's storyline is like going there and murder. You know, it's like Joel's hospital scene, but throughout the whole game for her.

And then, but that, even that in Joel scene is still about protection in a lot of ways. Here, this is something much more of a moral debate. And so I think for that stuff, like I love the idea of like using the bricks to just, like, the bricks to distract is a great video game trope, but

you know, it took me forever as a gamer to realize like, oh to win a lot of this, I could throw the bottle at someone's head and then stab them. I didn't know that for the longest time. I didn't either. Yeah, I was like, what a great convenient way to, like, that would save me so much time and hassle

if I knew that I could do that with so much of these characters. I mean, you don't want them obviously overdoing it. It's going to be tropey at that point, but I agree. I definitely would like to see that a couple more times in regards to your comment about we need more infected. 100% and I believe that they have actually Craig and Neil have said we are going to have more action sequences next season. We're going to have more infected because we need to feel

not only the sense of like that this world is inhabited by infected, which we got glimpses of for sure in season one. We need to feel the consequences and the ramifications of the decision Joel made like what what exactly is this world that we're protecting in terms of trying to get a vaccine for? Because in season one it's like yes, there was we again, there was plenty of you know there were some scenes where major hordes of infected but there was a lot of times where it just felt like it was much more overrun by humans rather than infected so i'm looking forward to them getting back to that so we can again just feel the consequences and the ramifications of the decision that joel made yeah i'm 100% with you andrew spent a little bit of catch-up here do you think they will kill joel in season two yeah first 10 minutes first 10 minutes i was thinking five minutes but you beat me 10 minutes um i hope they change yeah jesse does die jesse's death does feel there is there is a thing in the in the game where i know we got more super chess we got to get to um there is a thing in the game where some of the deaths they read like we're going for such real life that sometimes people just die in real you know that

sometimes they can feel like anticlimatic when when characters die however jesse was was a character we didn't even see much grief over yeah and and i feel like some grief would be nice and to have a a little bit more of a moment to Jesse's death. If they do ultimately go the route of killing him off. Yeah. I think that would be very much, that would help aid it. She get Henry Golding to play him. Or they should white cast him.

Who are you thinking? Finn Wolfhardt. I think Andrew finally learned who Finn Wolfhardt is. Yeah, I finally saw Ghostbusters after life. And you're like, that's who Finn Wolfheart is. Yeah. No, but no, I mean, I agree with you in regards to Jesse's death from the second game. Like, no, it makes sense what happened.

But yeah, I want to field. a moment because it happens so quickly and then Ellie immediately goes to run after Abby or rather excuse me, you're the exact opposite. Abby goes immediately to run after Ellie because you're in control of Abby at this point. Yeah. And then after that there's a time jump. We're now living on the farm with Dina and Ellie and it's like, I can't tell that they're really sad and upset about what happened. They should be. Yeah. And that is, that is Jesse's child. Yeah, that's his son. Yeah. That's what I mean. I think also too for, you know, if they do last. of us, part three of the game,

Ellie still have, they still have a child together. That child could grow up and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, da, da, da. Jesse Jr. So, E. Skinny, Raho, thank you so much for the super chat. Oh, what happened? Did I lose it? E. Skinny. There we go. Not sure if this has already been said,

but I'm disappointed that we didn't see a Joel and Sarah photo at all in the show. Let me, is, do you mind if I take this one first? Yeah, I mean, I'm not that disappointed, but yeah, go over it. I feel at first I by the way thank you so much

for your contribution really appreciate it at first I completely agreed with what you said and I would have still liked to have seen that but the scene that we got instead was so damn

heartfelt was so talks about trying to take his own life yeah and then like you're the reason that I'm still alive like it was a good substitute it was such a good substitution that my mind even though I was expecting

and hoping to see the Sarah photo yeah my mind was like you know what the scene is so damn touching And that was the whole point of the Sarah photo scene was to just kind of say, like, I can't escape my past. And, you know, like having a daughter is the reason worth living. And like, it was just expressed so beautifully.

And the acting by Pedro Pascal and belly, like, oh, my God. The dialogue was just so spot on that I was, again, at first I was like, oh, they're not getting the photo. And then as I heard the dialogue and I watched their, you know, the way they were acting, I was like, okay, this is so damn moving. Wow. I love this so much. It didn't bother me anymore because of how good this scene was.

Well, I think in a shorter runtime, too, and a live action medium, it might read as like, instead of the new relationship that Joel has with Ellie, it might read as like, I'm replacing you. You know? It could read a little weird. Yeah. Not that it does to me in the game, doesn't. Yeah, yeah.

I'm like, I wonder if in live action it would read a little strange. Like in the shorter runtime that you have. I mean, I always also viewed it as, you know, not running away from your past, but I also just viewed it as such a... No, it's a thousand percent what it is. Yeah, but I also viewed it as well in the game, like, such a heartfelt moment that Ellie cares so much about Joel to like, hey, I got something for you and I wanted to give you something that I know you would love, even though I know it's hard for you, but, you know, I viewed it both ways. But again, the dialogue we got and the acting from both of them just completely made up for and justified that not being in there in my view. but I'm so sorry that you were disappointed that that was not included if it makes you feel better I was disappointed

even though I love the episode the action sequence with David and Nellie so I feel you you know what I love about this call from Jackson Lane I can't remember the actor's name I saw an interview and said he really would want to play Jesse in season 2 right now what's happening is there's a lot of people who see how great this show is and there's so many actors who are actually

visiting or revisiting and or revisiting The Last of Us 2 and they're trying to like can i play this role can i audition now like there are just there's actually happening a lot where actors are prepping stuff in advance to try to submit to uh neil drunkman or craig maze it's it's kind of it's kind of funny you do that but uh that's that's really cool to see though because because clearly there the the show so performance based that it's awesome to see it's inspiring a lot of actors to try to go out there what's up i was just going to say before we read the super chat

i heard i saw someone say earlier are we going to get to see the rat king i also want to know we going to when we get to Seattle in part two in season two or season three well it's going to be season two are we going to get to see some shamblers I don't know I want to yeah I mean because it makes sense because I know the whole justification for having shamblers in part two and not having them at all in part one is you know they're the way they come about is they're affected by water and obviously in Seattle there's a lot of rain so it makes sense like you know instead of the or after the clicker stage before bloater or whatever you turn into a shambler so I'm looking forward to seeing shamblers as Well, do you think we're going to get to see Shamblers, though, in your opinion?

Yeah, we'll get them for like one scene and it'll never come back. Sounds like the TV show. Olivia Hamlin. Thank you, Oliver. Olivier? Olivier. Is it Olivier? Is it I?

Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you, Olivier. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Thank you so much. I can't wait to see how many of the Part 2 storylines unfold, but very excited to see how they pull off the sunken Seattle. What are some of the parts you're most excited to see? We didn't get a lot. I mean, we're talking about Sunken Seattle.

Seattle. And Seattle's kind of known for it. It's a dreariness of the rain. And I love, like, in Last of Us One, I loved so much of the sequences with the snow. And one of the things I heavily associate with last of a season two is the atmosphere of the rain environment. And did we get, we barely got, I think it was maybe the first episode where you get a tiny bit of rain towards the end. Am I wrong about that of this show? Yeah, a little bit when he went to hit the body, the Fedrigard, yeah, a little bit. We don't really get much rain, and there's a little bit with like Bill and Frank. But other than that, you know, that it creates such a mood and atmosphere and such an environmental condition they often have to work against that it might sound like, I know I'm not listing off a specific key sequence. That is something that I feel like really should be included. it does it does add to a lot of the um this it weirdly adds to the physicality stakes and a lot of the sequences definitely i'm looking forward to the owen and abbey sexing in the on the boat that's want to get us demonetized don't you and i do but no uh in in actual in actual seriousness i mean

specific sequence i don't know like the scenes that had me i don't know if like i i need to see them but the scenes that had me on edge i'm afraid of heights like abbey so when you're When she was, like, trying to climb that building with Lev, like, that freaked me out. So just having that, using my imagination that when they're trying to get into, you know, towards the hospital, like her up on a crane, like, obviously, you know, I think a true lies up on that crane and stuff like that. But just seeing Abby up there, I don't know if they're actually going to do that sequence, but that would terrify me right there. Well, I hope they do that because they did skip out on some cool building sequences in the first game. You sound like Paul right now. yeah yeah yeah no they did so because of that though yeah yeah like they

because that's the something you said that i'm like i could totally see them skip it out or do it that yeah like no there's a way to to condense this and sure i mean but they got to play a part in that i mean that's a big part of abbey's development she is afraid of heights like that's a big part of her character i could see them totally just going screw we don't need we don't need that in the show i could see them doing that yeah i guess you're right i love the trope though of like big buff person who's afraid of heights it is a it is a it is a trope i've seen. Amanda Dirty. Thank you, Amanda.

Neil Druckman can work on both the show. He did it for the first. Neil Druckman was working on King Kong and saying Neil Druckman was working on the second game while developing the show the first season of the show. I mean, yeah, if he can multitask

and do part three and seasons two and three, I mean, he's got a partner in Craig. So, I mean, he's a conductor. He's not doing everything on them. Amanda Dirty, I'm a non-gameramerty. I'm a non-gamer player and the morality conflict behind the finale

and looking back with hints throughout is fascinating. Love your discussions. Oh, thank you so much. Thank you, Amanda. Appreciate it. Yeah, I think that

it's weird how the second game kind of vastly overwashed any type of moral dilemma or conflict because that became such a debate of the first hour

of that game that I forget like, oh yeah, yeah, that that was a controversial ending in the first game wasn't it yeah like i wasn't around for the controversy because i came around to the last of it was pretty late i wasn't aware of that like i remember being very shook when playing the game because if i'm not mistaken in the game when it's what it's like just tell me if it's truth and he says yeah it's true and she goes okay there's like a music in the background right and it's like it has like crescendo build and

then it goes okay and then it and then the credit starts very similar to how it played except in the show they don't have a music it's just it's just the uh it's just the atmosphere of the wind and stuff yeah when they're having the dialogue and i remember being really shook by that of like oh he totally lied in that moment like that really hit so to me what what i thought was really fascinating is the fact that he they really they think what the show captured very well was the horror behind the fact that he he he is lying and how he is choosing to live in this sort of quasi fantasy about this whole thing. You know, like that to me is like you've become such a good liar about it that you seem a little like Pedro Pascal, you seem a little bit crazy now. Whereas in the first in the game, I'd never

felt that. You know, like, no, he's, yeah, he's lying. But I don't feel like, oh, you've kind of cracked a little bit. Have you? You know? Yeah, no. I mean, it's, it's an interesting dilemma because obviously you look at the perspective of I mean there's there's two ways of looking about it there's the perspective of Joel of course where you know the last 20 years of his life have been awful he's had nothing to live for his humanity has been completely shed and Ellie has given him something to live for and he's just not losing another daughter he was completely powerless when it came to what happened to Sarah and now that he's in control right now he's not about to lose another daughter whereas hey but on the flip side if he takes

tell like she wanted her life to have meaning and have purpose and you know she didn't want she's also got survivor's guilt and she doesn't want you know all the all her friends and everyone like from riley to sam and henry to tess all these people that protect and her mother all these people that protected her like in order like there was a greater cause to to protecting her and she didn't want it to all be for nothing and she wanted you know like the fact that hey i can save the world if that cost me my life like so be it but like joel was just not happening having them. That's what creates this moral dilemma. Like, even though I saved her, I know if I tell her the truth of what really happened, I lose her. Yeah. So it's, it creates like, that's,

that's why I love this so much. It just creates such a moral dilemma. Like, what do you do in that situation? Like, you want to keep your baby girl. But, and also, I mean, again, like, hey, I'm also protecting her from the truth, but I'm also being selfish in the way that I can't lose her. I mean, because that's, obviously, that's a very big part of what happens in part two. Like, it's just eating you can tell how much it's eating him away of withholding that information and ellie can just like she can completely take she knows it's her dad at this point they've spent so much time together she knows when he's not being completely honest and she just knows that this is eating him up uh what he has done and it creates such interesting storytelling and such a moral dilemma so that's where i just

like i'm just like that's one of my favorite sequences not only in the game but in any video game medium the scene where the the flashback sequence in part two yeah where ellie forgives him and they have the whole talk about like i was supposed to like my life was supposed to have me like i was legit i think i text they're called like dude i'm crying right now as like one of the best freaking moments i've ever experienced playing a video or not i guess not playing watching a cutscene in a video game just on any medium of media like that was so freaking good but i agree though the the moral dilemmas and conflicts that come about in parts one and part two It's just so they're so fascinating.

I love here when Boom City says Ellie wound up all alone. Her greatest fear she told Sam. That's right. She did say, I'm worried. I'm going to be. And that's where she ends up at the second game. Yeah. Revenge is a fickle thing, you know. Yeah, but it could be cool, too.

It can be. No doubt. Look at John Wick, right? He's not alone. He's got his dog still. I mean, I can't wait to see John and Tara's reaction to the finale as well. I can't wait also. I'm watching every video with them.

A crooked. Kind of torn on the finale. Thank you, Crooked, by the way. Thank you. Thanks for reminding me to thank Crooked. I look like a total asshole, might not thank you. And the game I felt is love and responsibility for Ellie Moore. And the show kind of just felt like Joel being a lunatic, which isn't bad.

I don't know, a lot of me, I guess. That's kind of funny. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of what I mean by I felt like he cracked. I don't feel like he, the hospital scene isn't registered to me as he's being a lunatic. if anything i kind of felt a bit of the it's more of the fact of when he's lying in shit where he feels like he's kind of cracked him a little bit crazy um where in the actual shootout scene to me it felt less of a conflict because of the fact that we didn't really see much infected that it seemed easier to side with joel in that moment yeah then it did in uh the video game

then in the video game where like yeah but dude we've been like having a really really survived through like the craziest amount of infected this entire time yeah that's yeah you nailed down the head i mean when you're dealing with as much infected as you are in the game it's like again even though i'm from a parent's perspective i totally understand where jol's coming from and just being so invested in these characters like we don't even know if dr jerry anderson is going to get this like he's just i mean obviously he's a very smart man he knows the quartersups well he's a genius when it comes to that we don't even know like if what he's doing is going to work. We don't know if the vaccine's going to work. We don't know if he's going to be able. I mean, these are all just

guesstimates at this point. I mean, well-educated guesstimates, but we don't know. But again, it makes the decision that much tougher in the video game because the world is beyond infected. Whereas here, yes, we know there's infected, but because we haven't seen it happen as much, it just makes it a lot of it. It's a much easier decision. It's like, I don't know, go saver. This world isn't that run over, like, with infect. There's infected, but it's not that bad. That's a good point. it's very true one sec so i make fun of coy about um let's see oh my god oh damn i'm on the right spot here okay yeah i got an agreement there moreenta five nine thank you so much morenta five the show left ellie's whole world view out of her last speech they didn't include i'm still waiting

for my turn. Biggest disappointment for me. Andrew, what are your thoughts on that? They left Ellie's whole worldview out of her last at last speech. They didn't include I'm still waiting for my turn. I thought they did. Didn't she say that? I could have my memory

serving me incorrectly. I thought she said I'm still waiting for my turn. Whatever she said I was completely fine with. Yes, I mean, if they did forget that line, which I'm I guess I'm forgetting the scene already. But I mean, I definitely like that line. It would been nice to have that inclusion. Like I said, there's liberty, certain things that they do

put in and out of the show. But I don't know. Like if they would have had that line in, great. It's not, it, it didn't bother me because I can't even remember even right now at this point. But I agree with you. It's definitely an important line. But I don't know. It didn't bother me if they didn't include it. But it would have been nice if they did. I felt like the world, I feel like that the point still, for me at least, it's still, I feel like it still came through. Yeah. You know, of like they already have. the establishment of because they gave

didn't they give a tad bit of add on to her scene after the giraffe scene they gave it like a couple of extra lines like I wanted my life to have meaning

or something like they pull one I think that's a line in the second game or something no is in the first game I forget it kind of blends to me

after a while the life having meaning is in the second game yeah I don't remember if that's said in the first game regardless like it the whole point

is kind of driven home by the fact that they they have that scene in the giraffe after the giraffe scene where Joel's trying to say like we can just fuck off and go back to Tommy and then they have the ending scene so I feel like that worldview is I feel I feel like to me it's communicated at least but I you know I will not try to tell you to feel otherwise here let's see here it felt like a mentally ill man trying to convince this girl she's his due daughter I kind of like a bit of

the craziness find that. That is what's happening. Yeah, he's going to say, like, look at the world. He's, look at the world he lives in. He's, the last 20 years, this man has been traumatized. Like, he's, he's not had, sorry, he's not had his daughter the last 20 years. I mean, he hasn't had a reason to live. So, I mean, it's understandable why, as you would say, he's mentally ill to the point where

he's going to do anything he can. And he went to Terminator mode. And that, that hospital seemed to protect his daughter, I guess, as you said, convinced. Or he says, even though. she was already convinced this was her father just from the actions throughout the entire season but that's an interesting and fun way of looking at it

I'm gonna next time I watch I don't look at it that way Dart Carr thank you so much here thank you Dart says hey guys love all your breakdowns keep up the great work thanks thank you it's all Andrew baby no no all Andrew all day every day

nah just following what you say Cameron Cordony thank you for your very first super chat hey y'all during Joel's master in the hospital if you pause at a certain frame. This is what everyone says. Yeah. I don't know. I am curious. I have not checked it out. That would be a true Easter egg. You can see a shadow of a female with a braid in her hair running off view. I wonder how true that is or if or if it just seems that way. I'm not saying

it's not true, but so far in the over 12 hours that we've had since the episode has been released i have not even seen one picture online just with yeah yeah so again i'm not saying it's not true but if it is i'm curious why there's not even a picture out yet of that yeah i mean like what is the certain frame well like what do i don't want to go frame by frame for that whole sequence but you've played you you've played the second game more recently than i have i have a replayed i have um abby did she go to the hospital after the after the massacre happened

or was she there when the massacre happened uh you're talking about the massacre with the seraphites or no no no the hospital one oh oh the hospital i'm sorry uh did she go to the hospital after the massacre uh was she there when it was happening she was there when it was happening she was just somewhere where joel didn't go so that's right because she she has she hears she's marlene and jerry conversation and then she tells jerry like

if it were me, I'd want you to do it. If I'm, you know, saving the world and producing a vaccine. So I do wonder if the opening scene of the second game will be like a young Abby and seeing that from Joel's perspective. I wouldn't, I wouldn't be shocked. That would be an interesting way to open it up for sure. I love that as an opening. Starting with a young Abby. Yeah.

Because I think, because it's such a, it's a much taller order. Like, as opposed to you're going to be forced to play as this. girl you know whereas okay i i don't want to tune in anymore if we're not going to if pedro pascal's dead and now we got to follow this girl who killed pedro pascal i think they're going to have to try to get you to sympathize for abby yes much earlier yeah and and clue you in to who abby to clue you in as to why abby kills joel much earlier than revealing it much later i totally agree with you but also too that's going to build up a little more time not getting a little more like getting that sympathy and empathy that you feel for Abby getting

you invest in the character but it's going to build up more time and allow Pedro Pascal's character Joel to serve to be alive a little bit longer before we get to those flashback sequences with him and Ellie so I think that's the wise move because again everyone is everyone I haven't really seen any negative comments towards Pedro Pascal's performance and how much they love him as Joel so if you go immediately into how the game does it and then you do that and then try to get people on board with Abby. I think that's just going to be a much tougher sell. So I think you, you know, you're onto something when it comes to let's start off with, you know, a young Abby. Let's get people on board with empathizing and sympathizing with her and maybe some

semblance of investing in the character. So when it does happen, we at the minimum, whether you like the character or not, you at least have an understanding and why the motivation is there. Because again, we got a major foreshadowing for that, which you called out right as it was happening. I was thinking to in episode eight, where Alec, I believe, was the character that Joel was just self-defending himself. I mean, he didn't even, you know, he wasn't, he wasn't massacring people where he did, like, with Dr. Jerry Anderson. Like, he was just defending himself from, uh, after they were leaving the University of Eastern Colorado. And, you know, with the, uh, where he killed the guy that stabbed him with the bat. So, but this was someone's daughter and someone's father, rather. And

his daughter, like, you wanted him dead. And it was like, oh, such a major foreshadowing for, uh, you know, in terms of the revenge stuff so i mean again just getting people on board i agree with you just with a young abbey i think that's the smart way to do it that thousand percent man i mean yeah it's like you kind of have to that that's that's what i think like the major change will be in terms of structure is getting you to understand why she kills him absolutely as opposed to waiting um let's see here yeah because they waited over half the game to to tell us that so I mean, that's a tougher sell. Let's see here.

Shut up about what happens in season two. This is a spoiler talk, dude. The whole point of this talk is to allow us to. Everything we were not allowed to say, with hell from saying we are saying today. We appreciate you being here, but the whole video and point of this is to talk, season two, prediction. That's the title in the video. Yeah. I feel like I was pretty honest about it.

What was the point of showing the fungi network once? that's what I meet like that's why I think it was a great idea too that's why I think there there are even non-gamer fans yeah people who are also like I really kind of expected a little more effect because they made such a big deal out of it and then especially having the network that doesn't really come into like it happens in episode five two and five two and five yeah two and five is when it happens but um yeah it doesn't really factor into some type of a crescendo with you know yeah no i mean i thought because they got rid of the spores and and masks which i totally get i understand even though it was a little sad but i get it this was a great addition i was

and i remember like we were praising it heavily after episode two we're like wow oh my god like it really feels like there's nowhere to go like well the whole thing was like we're like okay the only way infected usually come is in the game at least is when you make so much noise and that's how they're alerted to your presence yeah so having this whole network it's like there's really no safe zone so i i hope they go more to that in the in the second season so we you know just get that level of fear and like hey they're never you're never safe anywhere in the world you're never safe keep dina's alice girl from and make the person who goes with her jesse keep dina's ellies girl from make the person who goes no you i mean jesse technically goes with

them even though he gets there later but you can't like you're not going to get rid of dina is a very essential character and their relationship is a is a is a major driving point in part two you you can't just get let's get rid of joel in part one or let's get rid of i mean you can't i get what you're saying but you can't you can't do that you have to have dina come on the journey i mean also to there's and i get your saying i have a replacement but it's got to be dina samuel la la nzira thank you so much thank you samuel just sending this because i'm incredibly sad after watching the finale maybe this will make me feel better i hope they don't show the serifides too much their mystery and menace is what makes

them interesting. Oh, they're humanizing them. Humanize everyone in six and one. Thousand percent. They're being humanized. Undoubtedly, being humanized. I think we're going to, that's something I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind seeing an expansion on. Honestly, like, as long as they keep it locked into the perspective of very minimum Lev, if it's, if you're seeing the seraphites through Lev's perspective, instead of like, let's see the leader of the serifites and really get to know them. Oh, for sure they're going to do that. But if you keep it into how Lev views it and locked into her perspective, then boom. Oh, wait, no, his, Lev? His. Yeah. I'm forgetting. I forgot. Yeah, you keep it locked into his, then boom, that would be the best way to still keep that

menace alive. And to add really quick to your point, I think we're going to, because we saw on some notes when Dina and Ellie were scavenging about in day one that about Jacob and how he took over, you know, that territory in Seattle with the WLF, I wouldn't be. shocked that they spent an episode, like you can get in their perspective, humanizing the WLF, and then showing how Isaac took control of that entire area and how he took control of the WLF in general. I wouldn't be surprised we got an episode of that. Yeah. Or not. Who knows? Or not. Didn't they get Jeffrey Wright to play in the game? Yeah. Did they? I think it was Jeffrey Wright. If it was, I have no idea. But if not, they should get them either way.

Last of Us 2 He does play Isaac Oh, okay I never knew that How cool would it be if they got Jeffrey Well that would be He already looks like Jeffrey Wright So if they got Jeffrey Wright to

Reprise his role for The Last of Us 2 Just like Merle Dan and he's already part of the HBO world Because he was on Westworld Yeah Oh my God that would I didn't even think about that until right now That would be amazing I agree with you keep

Keep Jeffrey Wright as Isaac please For you guys to forget Isaac is leader of the WLS which is the group that Abby belongs to. Isn't that what we said? I just want to just a refresher. Jesus Christ. Oh, no, I thought you were reading a comment saying that to us. I'm sorry.

No. Jesus, Andrew. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Oh, that's true. This is actually a great point. Tommy's child in the show is what's going to pull. That's something we're going to have to deal with in the show is what's going to pull Tommy out of the darkness from losing Joel.

In part two, Tommy is an absolute husk shell of a man after the events of the game. Lewis Ramirez says, that's a great point. That's a great point. Yeah. Is that we, Tommy doesn't have a kid in the game. So now that he has a kid. Well, it makes his decision to go on a revenge tour a lot tougher because you have a kid. I mean, again, we understand where he's coming.

And his brother was just brutally murdered. So you get the motivation there. But it's a tougher, again, moral dilemma because he's got a kid. Like, he's got a lot more to lose than just Maria. So I think that that was actually a nice addition that they did to the show. uh shemir kelly thank you for the super chat thank you uh let me make sure i didn't skip anyone i make sure i'm just making sure i'm just making sure no no okay this is my first time super chatting since part two game is going to be over two seasons do you think they can push

joel's death late in season two of pushing to season three to have more time showing abby's side you see i thought about this and i'm i i think you got to get to what is the plot about like and and at the end of the day the plot of the last of us two I mean there's two main plots the plot of the last like the Abbey one's a little bit more I don't know if the right words ethereal but it's not as like directly focused it's more of like exploratory that becomes a narrative eventually as a strong through line eventually about WLF and serifites whereas Abby Ellie story is it's straight up it's just a revenge story and so you kind of have to

get to that story yeah otherwise you're just doing a bunch of explore i think they would push joel's death to maybe like episode three or four i could see that but like what would the narrative storyline be other than just character exploring like what is what is the plot i'm talking about like what is the plot of this yeah character development's one thing but you need a plot surrounding it so you could do a bunch of character development and really postpone that but i think i think they would at least reserve it to like episode three or four i mean yeah it's it's going to be at least three or four, five at the absolute latest, because again, that's

what drives the plot. You know, that's when the plot really starts in the video game is when Joel dies and now Ellie goes on this revenge tour. So if you leave that to the end of the season, I mean, yeah, it's now season three is going to be condensed even more. You're going to, you won't even be able to finish season three

in the amount of time it's, it's going to take. So I'd be really shocked if it goes past five, even at the latest. Yeah, Lina, I've never played the game, but I wish they should they should have filmed what happened after or the conversation after episode eight and David and her Ellie recounting it to Joel thoughts I mean they could have I just I think they because of Bella Ramsey's such a good actress I think like it was it was pretty much conveyed and how she felt and what she was going through like I mean look look how much they changed

like just from the trauma she was dealing with look how much Joel and her changed Joel was usually the you know the outspoken one and the one who was more like reserved and not talking and Ellie was the one always talking trying to cheer him up and all then the revolt the roles had reversed rather so I mean we could I didn't really need a conversation I mean the whole comfort of him calling her baby girl and then knowing what she went through and then the scene we got after that that kind of told me what I needed to know so I personally didn't need a conversation what did you feel nope didn't need a conversation You're like, what's it, bitch. Contents. Salty Salmon, thank you. It says, Andrew, we love you. Oh, thank you, salty salmon.

This must be from the Sinapal side. Love you too, Salty Salmon. Thank you. The title literally says, spoiler talk. Greg has spoiled so much already. Yeah, no, it's a spoiler talk, and it says season two predictions.

Wait, so in spoiler talk, we talk spoilers? We talk season two and like part two. Yeah, you got, you're on your own here. Literally, I made it clear on the thumb. season two. Maybe in the thumbnail is there a certain character I didn't try tricking you into being here and spoiling it.

And I was aware that there would be a lot. It wouldn't be that many people on the live stream because of the fact that we were going to talk about. Yeah. If the video was called non-spoiler and season one thoughts, I'd totally be pretty much made it clear. Pretty much made it clear. So don't bitch if you're here. Pedemic Jones, PJ, my man.

Thanks for being here, dude. Thank you. Pedro Pascal is one of the biggest stars right now. I think they show what happens between P1 and P2, the parking floors for the majority of S2. Then they end the season with offing Joel and Ellie and Dina are on their way to Seattle. Thoughts? You know, that's actually not a bad call. That's the best way I can see it happening is if they invent a whole new storyline to maybe develop Ellie into.

the skill set that she has because in like the first game when she's she's hunting for Joel like Joel's been bedridden for a while so she's had to develop skills on her own and then we get to part two she's she's really skilled and qualified and

yeah yeah I mean they could do that but I still feel like Joel's death is going to come in like episode three or four I don't mind if they do it if it's done in an interesting way but the only thing is if you do that where you kill them towards the end you're going to have to condense it into three seasons. It's going to have to be three.

It would have to be three seasons at that point. And again, if you want to do that, that's fine. I don't mind watching three seasons. I'm cool with that. Again, if you do that, Neil and Craig, that's fine with me. If it's done and executed in a good, you know, good way, go for it. Judith Schetsky. I didn't see the scene with Joel and Ellie talking about him nearly killing himself as touching.

I saw it as sick and sad that he's putting this on the struggling girl. I hope they explore it's toxic. Well, I mean, they talk about, like, the dangerous side of love. And, yeah, there is a bit of this, like, I forget the psychological term, displacement, that might be the word. Yeah, you project, it is a big projection thing and that, but there is a toxicity that does occur within, you know, Joel. Like, there is a toxic side to it. He lies to her, you know, like, and he didn't give her a choice. So there is a toxic side to it, and I kind of like that they lead with it.

It is touching at the same time. I think that's part of the cool thing is that there's a gray area to it, is that it's not 100% negative and not 100% positive. Yeah, yeah, Ramoni, Bernie. I'm right there with you, homie. I'm right there with you. We need to have that scene. Let's just all hope we don't get a Joel in one the very first episode of season.

It's not happening in episode one. I can guarantee you that is not happening in episode of one. I wonder if they'll change it from a golf club. I mean, they've definitely, I mean, like, look, even in episode 9, like in the video game when the fireflies caught them they you know they were in the water and she she couldn't breathe he was doing CPR and so they definitely take liberties so i mean it wouldn't be shocked uh but we'll see what happens the golf club thing was just so demeaning it's so degrade well how how would you in your opinion like if they don't do the golf club what would you be okay

with them like how would you feel like okay i'm okay with this now um a bowling pin okay yeah see that i hope they're like i mean the whole house and yeah i mean i mean at the reason that the the golf the reason the golf club thing i'm not going to say it works for me because obviously i didn't want anything to happen to joel love joel but abby made it very clear in the line like oh no it's not going to be that quicker it's not like she made it very clear to joel like this is going to be painful and long so i mean it makes sense that just torture the man before she killed him um jeremiah says stephen yon is jessey people will lose her shit thank you jeremiah by the way thank you jeremiah thank you

that would be amazing um if stephen yon did it may i see who stephen yon is i don't know who stephen yon is and i just work on the internet and in movies so i i don't know who this is oh my god andrew you're i'm trying to be honest here i don't want to lie and be like oh yeah stephen you're a disappointment i know i don't know anything uh yeah i could doubt he's glenn from the walking dead I never watched the walking. He's in Nope. Nope, I never saw that. He's in a bunch of other things.

He's the voice in Invincible. Never saw it either. But, I mean, it sounds like he's a very talented. You got to consume more content. I know, I do. But no, I mean, just from the images, yeah, I could see him as Jesse for sure. In terms of acting range and ability, I will take my buddy Greg's word here on if he thinks he could do a good job. but just on a visual presentation.

He could definitely be Jesse. He looks like him. Deleted X. Oh, thank you for the super chat. Imagine season two starts off with the Joel in one scene. Then the intro plays. I would love that. There is a part of me that would kind of respect it.

And then they go back. Like, then they go back, but they're letting you know he dies like right away. There's no way. There's no chance that is happening. I don't believe in one second, but it would be fun.

Not a people that are invested in not only the character Joel, but Pedro Pascal as Joel, there's a business side to this and there's a rewatchability side. And you are not killing your man. This is an alien three. You're not killing, you know, some of your main characters off in the first frame here. Yeah. Turning Joel into John Wick after eight episodes of realism was pretty lame. That and the raid rage, the road rage bloater are my only complaints for the entire season. What an amazing show.

overall well i think that's the thing about the action like i wasn't bothered by it because you see an episode um uh eight in episode eight you know with the right amount of motivation joles can turn that darkness into a kind of hyper focus like he is he is out of it he just got hit with penicillin but he is still recovering in episode eight but he is jacking up dudes left and right in there just to try to get to Ellie and nothing's going to get in his way so i think like him going full terminator is not actually that far i could see how it could look that way yeah um but to me it actually it worked uh even in the show structure because they did a good job at establishing like he went from someone who is paralyzed and worried that he can't protect her to that when the moment

calls for it when it truly is life or death for Ellie there's going to be a darkness that comes out of him that will cause him to hyper focus. Well, and I saw that, I mean, the foreshadowing, too, for me is him turning into John Wick, if you will. And that anger, that rage that's ready to be released is when he brutalized and punched to death, that Fedregard, like, just seeing when he goes into protective mode on people that mean something to him. And I'm like, for me, it wasn't far-fetched. When I watched that scene, I'm like, yeah, I could see this guy like totally going Terminator, John Wick on a bunch of people in a hospital when it comes to protecting those he loves. guys if you're still here and he haven't left to like can you leave a like please please we'd appreciate it and also if you could possibly get a t-shirt the shop zero edition

shannon barry's only rumor to play uh michael thank you for the super chat thank you michael they did not reveal who the actress is for abbe is i think i think what happened with shannon barry is that like there's been so much talk around shannon barry yeah that and i think like someone on the like i don't know neil druckman or someone like followed her and so people thought like this must be confirmation but it's not i mean he follows me and i'm not confirmed to be owen so that's true Troy baker follows me yeah we're trying to out each other sent him dick picks and then he followed me twice i thought we were going to keep that i thought we were going to keep on the deal you're trying to get us demonetized sorry michael do you think bella

needs to bulk up in needs to bulk up in seasons ahead. I mean, did you feel like she was super? I mean, I felt like that was more Abby in part two. I mean, she definitely should. I mean, I'm not saying she's got to. She's got to get more of an athletic bill to her. That's what I'm thinking.

Athletic, not like bulky and buff. Like, that's not how I viewed Ellie in part of it. I mean, Abby, Abby's physicality is the embodiment of revenge. Yeah. Like when the moment comes, I will. I'll be real. golf club. Yeah, I'm Sarah Connor Jacked, but I'm using the golf club.

He's like golf, I built my body to swing this golf club. Yeah. No, but, but I think, I definitely think that, yeah, she does need to, you know, I don't know. Not like, not Bella, my ramps, not like out of shape or some shit, but I think it's like, I think that sounds right to me. But, like, I imagine, like, she's much more of, like, she runs and probably does some push it or some shit. I don't know. um yeah no and i agree like what judith is saying here is like it's less about her muscle tone and more about seeing a physical change in her yeah yeah i agree nick cage is abby yeah make it happen

hey gregg i like that um hold on a sec i think i lost my spot here or or i'm fully caught up i think i'm fully caught up like i did it andrew you did it i'm a j i'm a j hold on let me just confirm this it's nice do it this this this this last stream was really more for Andrew and I to get other things off our chest that we didn't get a chance to talk about like like we said we had to be so careful with Greg got accused of spoiling stuff just from a t-shirt like that he was wearing like this this video game cover was everywhere before I even played the last of us. I'm like yeah I'm like but the non-gamer casual is not going to know that's I mean I don't know just um can't win them all I guess what's gone has anyone seen having the hospital I have no idea Like I'll be I'll be sure If someone can provide an image

I'd be happy I would love to see it Because again Greg and I are the same Two smart gentlemen Who missed the clicker At the end of episode one When the lightning struck up

On that building So I'm not saying It's not possible That Abby was not there But I don't remember seeing a shadow Or nor have I seen any pictures online So if anyone wants to send us something Like please like I'll take a look at it

Ryan Platz Thank you, Ryan Plas. Thank you, Ryan. The golf club scene is important because Ellie needs to watch Joel get beat into death and is unable to help him like he has helped her. Yeah, no, there is absolutely it's important. Should it be a quick death. Yeah, of course not.

I mean, but you mentioned like Abby's physicality and this is everything she's trained for. So whether it's a golf club or her just punching and punching and punching and then like, I don't know, do inside either way. I'm going to be okay. Either one, like because using her physicality against Joel, like that wouldn't bother me. much but i get it the the joll and one is very iconic i understand or divisive depending on

who you talk to it's going to be a major gamble because right now what what i think's happening with um like the joel death is is i get why it's obviously such a big time he's the main character it's a bold-ass move that they did and a controversial one and like gaming history it's one of the most controversial ones i never done um but the for a show it's a risky as fuck like i wonder what HBO is going to react like how is HBO going to respond to this? I mean because you've got to think about this

for a second. They're going to give them more money to do the next season because the show is such a hit. That's one of the biggest things they've ever. They see that Pedro Pascal's one of the biggest draws ever. Yes. They really let Craig Mason and Neil Druckman have so much creative freedom. They really let them have it. And then they got

to tell HBO, you know, we're going to kill off Pedro like pretty, like we're going to kill them off. It's not going to happen to late. And then HBO is going to be like, well, we're giving you all this money. And he's kind of like our big draw actor here, you know. Like The Last of Us, this creates a good moral dilemma. Yeah. But no, I mean, it's like, I can't imagine like HBO being like, I don't know guys.

I know we got to kill off people all the time. But that's why I love your idea when it comes to, hey, let's start off with a young Abby. Let's get invested in this character. Obviously, we got to get to the point of revenge and get the plot, you know, started at some point. I would just say like do a lot of flashback sequences like make it very well known that you are going to have a lot of flashback sequences with Pedro Pascal's character of Joel because that's going to have a lot of weight to it in terms of rewatchability for people at least if they can see flashbacks and okay hey you know what I'm very angry that he was killed off like this really upsets me but I see that they're doing a lot of flashbacks so I know I can still watch them because I love that. That scene where they had the flashback with Tess with Bill and Frank. Yeah. Such a great addition.

Like, such a smart way to bring Tess back. Let's see here. Epic Games. Thanks for being here. Boom City. I agree. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. It is.

That's what I take every time I come on the show. Yavin Badger. Hey, Micahia is a friend of Michael Tesler. Well, thank you for being here, a friend of Michael Tesler. Let me see here. Yeah, Ellie was not. All right, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, lost the spot.

Everything got refreshed. Hold on a second. It's going, catching up the chat, put an extra slow mode. How will they make her look taller? I don't think she needs to get taller. Like playing her high. I would say in order to make her look taller, she needs to talk to Jack Traven or Travis' character,

Keanu Reeves and Speed, right? What's that line he says after Dennis Hopper's head? Yeah, but I'm taller. I don't know. I don't know. I just don't know, Andrew. Is that a line from Batman Mask of the Fantasim? I just don't know.

Ryan Platz. Thank you, Ryan. I don't know if you saw this, but they confirmed they're doing multiple seasons for Part 2, and they're trying for a 20, 24, 25 release. I did see that. Damn, if we got Last of Us Season 2 in 2024, next year, yeah.

That would feel rushed. Oh, so you don't think it's going to be next year? i think it would be 2025 at the earliest and then this shit is hard to put together you know when they were sending out screeners for this the vFX were nowhere near done for most of the episodes and you don't want to rush that like i think we got to like really slow down and not rush that shit honestly i mean and and knowing what's in this season i'm like no please don't rush this please take your time yeah i really want them to take their time yeah i'd rather I'd rather wait a couple of years.

I'd rather wait two years. And it's interesting day and age we live in with television, isn't it? Where we can wait that long for something? Whereas there was a time where like, has to be next year. People forget. Next season.

Yeah. And, but I think for last of us, season two, like, as jazz as I would be for it to come out next year, I'd also be like, that was fast. I'm kind of worried about this. So, yeah, I really hope they don't. I hope they don't do that.

Well, you definitely run into that worry. if you come out next year with it and the quality is not to the level of season one or the video game, then you come up with saying, like, why didn't you guys just wait a little bit longer? But I can definitely also on the flip side, see HBO Max, like, we've got a hit. We've got such a hit. Have it ready as soon as possible to Craig and Neil. So, yeah, I just don't think they should do it. Chad Michael Simon, thank you for the super chat, your first whatever.

Thank you, Chad. In game, Abby's identity was kept a mystery until her half. yes yes right i could see value and letting a television audience know who she is from the beginning that's the biggest change of i think i think they have to make that change because it would be it would be it would be awesome if they did that it would be awesome you know um i remember when i was younger i saw this godfather thing that they did was it was really cool because if you guys haven't seen the godfather spoiler alert spoiler alert on a film from 19 No, I mean, it's not much of it.

I'm not going to go into any details. So they have the Godfather part one. And then in Godfather part two, they cut back and forth between Young Vito Corleone. Have you seen Godfather? Of course. They have Young Vito. I don't know. You didn't know if Stephen Young is.

I like the comparison. Stephen Young and Godfrey. Continue. And they have Young Vito Corleone and then they have the actual sequel continuing from Godfather. and there was this recut that they did where they put everything in timeline order and they aired it on television and it was pretty cool to watch

and I kind of and so with that kind of mentality I'm thinking that's why structurally they as cool as it would be to do the game structure I feel like they're just going to cut back and forth between Abby and Ellie absolutely and I feel like you know you don't want to lose view it's so different it's like Neil Druckman himself has said it, that it's kind of a cheat code

to get you invested in a character because you're playing as them. Yeah. You know, so you get to be them. It's easier to get them into your perspective and point, like their point of you for the emotional storytelling aspects where you're going to have to do a lot more work for fucking

Abby on a show because you're just an observer. Well, if you also start off, you know, the show with a young Abby getting us invested, getting us to sympathize with this character. Seeing Joel as the villain through her eyes. Yeah, it would, it wouldn't make sense to all right now we're just going to focus only on ellie for you know only season two and then we're going to come back to abby's perspective from season that i don't know i just i don't feel like

that would work so i could totally see them just cutting back and forth you know good a good episode focus on one character maybe the other one or just cut back and forth in episode to the two characters like hey we're on seattle day one we're going to focus a good chunk on this character come back to this character kind of thing because you already know who this character is we're not you know delving into the possible mystery of a revenge hunt, and you don't know, like, we're not going to come back to this character. So, yeah, they're definitely going to have to change it up for sure

from the story structure that we got from part two, no doubt. No doubt. Hey, guys, thank you so much for being here again. If you're still here, please leave a like. If you haven't done so already, the Rock is Abby. I can see it. I will beat you with the golf club. Hey, Joel, do you smell what the golf club is cooking?

No, you didn't like that, Greg? Nope, nope. It was mediocre at best. Guys, you have no idea. meteor guys you have no idea how hard it is to make greg laugh seriously it's really i try even when i pay him a hundred bucks to say hey you're going to laugh at my joe he still doesn't silly duck i love florence but that's a horrible choice i know but but i want she's i want to happy to be if they do cast hollywood hot if they do cast florence pew i ask

one thing i want her to do her black widow impersonation or uh accent when she, when she plays. Mr. Super Chat, KG. Gould, what are you talking about? Oh, we did miss your super chat. We are sorry, KG. You're right. I'm going to go, I'm going to go find it. I'm going to find it.

KJ, I'm sorry, KJ. Boom, you're right. Thank you, KJ for informing me. And thank you for the contribution. Appreciate it. Thank you. Spores from the game could have been, and it's your first one, thank you. Sports from the game could have been explained as only releasing in dark, damp,

environments with the gas mask it gave us a great cluster phobic feel what was can you refresh what was the reasoning behind it is that they felt that if they did spores that it would just be everywhere that it's so yeah that it's going to be everywhere and also too we just don't want to have a large focus on not being able to see what the actors are doing it's the same thing you happen with in superhero movies when you have actors you know covering their face with masks you want to be able to see what the actors are conveying in their facial expressions and they didn't want to be locked in a corner. We're like, there's going to be a lot of different places because sports can spread everywhere. So we don't want these actors being consumed to these masks and not

being able to see how they're emoting or their facial expressions. So, I mean, look, it's an iconic thing from the game. I would have loved to have seen it for sure in here. But I understand the reasoning behind not doing it. And again, if they would have done the actual, you know, the quarter steps network, if they would have leaned more on that? Like, because after episode two, like Craig and I were completely praising like what a great idea like you are really there's nowhere to go you're always trapped like with infected possibly coming after you so I'm hoping that they in season two like again if they don't go the sports route which is fine let's lean a little more on the network route of the quartercepts and I just think that that that goes a long way like when you have additions that get rid of things that are iconic from the game if they're interesting additions like but stick to that I agree. with you Andrew. I wish they could find some way. And also it's also a big part of

it's also a big part of of Joel Trout like seeing that Ellie is actually immune as well but they they kind of made it. The bloaters. Oh yeah where they throw the acid things out. Yeah. Yeah. Well also the shamblers

too. Kind of funny. He's doing a live spoiler cast with Neil Druckman right now. That's way cool to what we got going on. Way cooler. But don't go there guys don't do that Ramoni that's how you say it

are am I remember Armoni Armony Armani Armony Armony I think that sounds right Armani Armani Okay All the ladies on the chat

Want to touch Andrew's mustache Oh Touch away Enjoy I need to find a Hold on I'm gonna go on Twitter really quick I just see if there's this photo

of ad Someone has to have If this is really here, it says Abby's trending in California right now. Really? I mean, it's obviously about her. Person with pigtails. Is that a person with pigtails?

Really? This is what people think. Looks like a person just... It's hard to tell on that picture. Really? Not saying that can't be heard. Is that the phone? Okay, here's another shot.

Oh. I'm not saying it's not her but I'm not I don't I don't know maybe maybe I'd say I could see it being her but on the flip side it could just be a rant you know there's a lot of different five we know like the whole group that comes after but Abby's like a kid here yeah this is there that looks like an adult what people are doing with Abby I mean unless they really change it like this looks like Abby who she is in the game and that Abby from the game wouldn't run away. You know what I mean? That Abby from the game would be like, I'm going to kill this guy. Abby, kid Abby would not do it because she's a skinny, scrawny little. And this looks like

adult Abby. So I don't feel like this is Abby. But we also know, again, this is just from the video game. We know in one of the flashback sequences in part two to showing Abby in the hospital that she did have a gun in her holster. So yeah, knowing that, again, possibly like her life is in danger and her father's life

is in danger, seeing her run away. I don't that's again she's not built up and trained to where she's mentally and physically where she's going to be at in part two but having a gun like to her side and seeing her run when her life is on the line and her father's line is on i don't know and might just be there for an easter i don't know okay the media nights apparently we skipped yours too hold on i want to make sure there we go boom thank you for letting us know sorry sometimes it just goes a little weird here thank you media nights do you guys think they're going to stick to the game structure one season for ellie then cliffhanger in the theater and then have the next season

be for abbess perspective we loved your reaction guys thank you yeah we've touched on this and but no i mean i that's too much of a tall order like i said i really feel like they're going to be doing the cutting back and forth like the structure is such a such a meaningful like it's such a shocking part of like when you're first playing that game remember I didn't know that that you're going to be doing that I wasn't prepared for when you do encounter avie and then we cut to back and I'm like what the shit we got to fucking play as her now like that was such a but that was a bunch of bunch of bullshit to me the first time we did it um and it just felt like it like took the momentum out of me like took the wind out of me and like we should come on and uh I don't know if I especially for a season three if that if that would be something audiences would come back for i just it's just it's so different it's a completely different association yeah i just gaming to watch on a video game that can work i just don't think in a tv show especially with non-gamers and and it's not

that they can accept it i just think you i just think gregg's presentation of getting showing a young abbe and getting her perspective and her point of view on how she feels towards what joel did her father getting people at the minimum to understand her motivation will just go a much longer way than cutting back and then, you know, seeing her POV this long after what she has done to Joel.

So I don't know. I just don't see that story structure from the game. I just don't see it working if they go that route personally, but that doesn't mean they can. I mean, these guys have completely, you know, Neil and Craig have proven that they can make anything work at this point in terms.

But I just think Greg's presentation makes a whole lot of more sense in my mind for story structure. Shop zero edition.com. Thank you, JP, for sure your support. And hope down the chat here, buddy. Thank you, JP. Let us know which shirt you get. Let me see here. Trenton.

What if they make one of the nurses, Abby? Thoughts? Well, I mean, that'd be funny, but on the flip side, it wouldn't make sense that she just did nothing. after her dad got shot well it's fine i didn't know this laura bailey actually played one of the nurses in the game oh i didn't know yes i thought it was just a special cameo of like let's put i mean it oh you're talking about from the

first game yeah right i did not actually know that i did not know that i didn't know that either until i think last night i learned it yeah yeah yeah yeah what a crazy thing you go from playing a nurse to abby and also you know who else she voiced right in one of your favorite video games Spider-Man 2018. She's at Mary Jane Watson. Oh, is she really? That's good. But I guess this is technically the second actress or actress in The Last of Us to reprise their role.

Like after Merle Tandridge, the nurse is back as the nurse. It's true. That's true. Let's say here. Let's say here. Trying to just get to my, okay, trying to get to where I left off. come on okay yeah we got to wrap up in like 15 to 20 minutes so we're you off to next you're going to see jabby kowe sounds like a plan you seen jabby after this i'm seeing jabby are you seeing jabby later i will never see jabby again oh okay i'm sorry to hear that if there is one negative thing about part two is that it's a bit stretched out but i think it's a good story yeah no i think

i think so like i prefer part two over part one but i would also say that it's a bit like the gameplay is amazing and I think it tops the first one I agree but then it does get to a point we're like it's a little repetitive yeah because because the game's so long they're like well you run out of you you eventually run out of variety on the situation yeah no doubt I understand no for me I told I agree with what he said the gameplay outshines the first one but the first one still the gameplay is phenomenal exactly but I don't know the storyline and the way I just for me that storyline is like absolute perfection in the first game and it's pretty damn good in part two like in my mind there was no way you were going to top part one and i know in your mind they did which

is great i love that uh but it doesn't it does not top part one for me like also remember part one is my second favorite video game of all time so hard hard to top that philly verse thank you for the super chat my favorite reaction channel especially for this series thank you thank you Thank you, Philly. Thank you. Just joining in now, although are you Team Joel or Fireflies? Much love, sad. It's at an end for now.

I think ultimately, ultimately I'm Team Joel. Like while the second game softens like makes you go, especially when you see Abby's dad having the discussion and having the utmost confidence that if they were to get like, pull from Ellie and kill her and everything that they could actually produce a vaccine as much as they do that when I'm watching this as a kid

like when I'm watching this I'm like I would make the same choice as Joel I would if I was Joel I would be making the same choice yeah obviously it is not the better long term choice

than the better for humanity choice like I understand that too but in this particular case it is like well yeah i mean if i was this guy i don't think i would just be like especially with the way the fireflies handle both in game and in the show they're incompetent they handle it they're so cold about the whole thing that you're like you guys are behaving like villains so yeah this is going to of course joel's not going to like side with you one bit

or even consider your your option because you guys are behaving like villains yeah you know they don't behave they're not like Joel

you have to understand this is our one like they're not trying to talk like any there's not a shred of sympathy in it and they should have just let Ellie have the choice honestly dang it you stole my point I was gonna make I was going to say I'm team Ellie give her the choice but

I am I am still team Joel I get it. Like the greater good was possibly sacrifice and, you know, getting the world back to where it used to be. But again, if I put myself in Joel's shoes, like if that was my surrogate daughter, I would do the exact same thing. Like after everything he's gone through and everything they've been through, he was just not going to let, you know, I mean, especially knowing that she didn't even have the choice as well. Like he just was not going to lose another daughter. Not when he had control and power like that. And he could control her fate. That was just not happening. He already felt the world was a broken place even when it wasn't infected and had the quarterstep's brain you know, infection. So again, losing a daughter and getting the world back to where it used to be was just not an option for Joel. Yeah. So from that perspective, I'm totally team Joel. A thousand percent. Um, Ryan Plats. They aged him up a lot. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, Ryan. This is like your third super chat. They aged him up a lot from the game, too. Seeing him even older and unable to even put up a fight against Abby would just be so sad. Oh, yeah.

And also, like, Troy Baker's, Joel is, like, super buff, whereas Pedro Pascal's is, he's pretty buff, too. I mean, he's strong, but he's got a bit of a belly, like tiny, tiny bit. He's not like Joel from the Last of Us game buff. He's, Pedro Pascal's even admitted to it. Well, also, too, you know, getting- Saw Pedro Pascal on a wired interview, admit to it. Oh, okay. So I'm not being in soul.

I'm going to feel like I'm saying what he's talked about. Yeah. Well, also, too, you know, getting shot in the leg with a shotgun, you know, goes a long way with not being able to put up much of a fight as well. That's going to be brutal. I forgot about that part. Yeah. And then they put a tourniquin on his leg and stop the plea. Oh. Yeah. I don't, I just don't think this is Abby. I don't either. But, I mean, I don't know. I think that's a Neil Druckman, Craig Mason question. Like, they'll be the ones to verify. But I don't think it's her. but does Joel not shoot at this person? I mean, he's pointing the gun in picture three there, so I don't know. Skyler Hillman, how do you think the third game will ultimately include?

Thank you, Skyler, by the way. Thank you, Andrew, for reminding me to think doing the thing that I give John crap about. But I understand now when you're in this position that sometimes you're just like, you've got to keep this live stream on track. I'm sorry. Skyler Hillman, thank you for your contribution. I think the third game will conclude

Ellie gets her fingers back Yeah she gets her fingers back And they resurrect Joel They used to court Versus works They reanimate him Back to life No I think that

I personally would like it Where they do go Like we need to They find a doctor They hear of someone And like they bring it Full Circle where They

Where Ellie probably makes Where Ellie can make The ultimate sacrifice Yeah Like Ellie chooses to sacrifice to sacrifice herself i would totally be fine with that and see that happening i mean she's had the hero's journey at this point and also and all the trauma and she wanted her life to have me i'd love to see her levin abbey as well just teaming up to get to that point as well that would be

so damn poetic like the man that took took your surrogate father for reasons that of understanding like even though you don't want to work with her like it's for the greater good so that would go such a long way in her character arc i i think that's a great call um neil we hope you're we hope you're watching this set it up for game three all right i jr we got play some catch up here okay deleted xo ellie just got thank you deleted xo fuck thank you ellie just got taller and tatted not buff what the fuck is everyone talking about also excited see what they do with tommy's kid in season two i want season two late 2025 yes i would like that too i think tommy's kid will become king of wakonda um but yeah no i mean i mean

Ellie got taller, but there is more, there is more of like an athletic, like a runner's body like type of, and a bit more of a fighter, like a bit of broader shoulders and stuff. Like there is, there is more of a strength to her for sure. So I don't, I think that's what people mean by that. There is more of a physicality intimidation where you can see how this person who is jacking up all those people, the WLF, you can see how that person can get away with doing that. And not only that, I mean, she's going to be. two one-on-one, I mean, at least from the game, she was in two one-on-one fights with Abby and Abby. And one of those fights is at the peak of perfection when it comes to physicality. Yeah. So, I mean, for her to even withstand any of those blows, she's got to be in some kind of physical, you know, shape. Obviously in Abby's second fight in Santa Barbara, she's lost all her muscle mass just from dehydration, from not being able to eat food and being basically tortured from the Rattlers. So, you know, in terms of Ellie's physicality at that point, I mean, obviously it didn't matter.

as much, but definitely in one of those fights, she's got to have a little bit of a physical peak. Again, you don't have to go the buffer route, but yeah. Jeremiah says, Walking Dead or Last of Us, which is better? Well, I haven't seen Walking Dead, so I got to go with Last of Us. I think Walking Dead was cool,

and then I completely quit the show. I just made a conscious choice. I completely quit it. I don't know. I mean, it's kind of not a fair comparison, honestly. All right, how about this? what's the I Am Legend or The Last of Us? You can't compare a movie.

Okay. I don't know. I'm doing zombies and zombies. I will say, though, I Am Legend had the best IMAX opening scene to a movie that wasn't related to that movie ever. The Dark Night, baby. Oh, I should have left right after that. I put a link in the regular chat.

Thank you, Pandemic Jones. I put a link in the regular chat to where people think it's Abby in the finale. might have to command f my name to find it no i mean i see the image like it's the same image on on twitter the same couple of images and so thank you for sending that thank you but yeah i uh i don't think this this is not abby i don't think it's abby if it is nice easter egg but i personally don't either but if it is cool easter it's just not in character with with again i understand she's not in physical peak and mental condition because she doesn't even realize what it's about to happen to her dad but again in the video game at least

at least, Abby still had a gun in her holster at this point. And I just, knowing Abby, I just don't see her running. Daphne keen is Abby, not a bad call. I'd be okay with that. Oh, yeah, the Cobra Kai girl. You know, that would be a good one. Tori. That's not a bad pick.

Cobra Cies ending. She's going to need another job. Peyton, Peyton Reed. Or, no, Peyton Reed, director of Batman. She directed Batman. Yeah, yeah, no, Peyton, what's her last name? I said Peyton, I go on right to read. Peyton, some starts with an L, I think.

Whatever her name is. Yeah, I could see her. I mean, you know, she's got charisma and she's fantastic as Tori and Cobra Kai. So I could definitely see her. Ryan Platt's. Thank you, Ryan. 100% guaranteed Tommy's kid is going to be pivotal. As what?

He'll be like five. I mean, yeah, because what is it three or four years later? Yeah. The time jump, so, but yeah, as pivotal is a three or four year old can be for sure i mean it's definitely going to have some decisions that weigh on tommy and like that can possibly fracture the relationship between tommy and maria like hey i get where you're coming from and wanting revenge for your brother but you've got a son and a family and a wife you're like so i mean from that perspective definitely pivotal yeah yeah it's true i was hoping to see more

of the tendril network stuff be cool season to have more of that yeah i agree cameron kandore gregg i seen you the photo of abby thank you cameron i appreciate that camera and thank you for the super chat camera and thank you for looking out buddy Josh Z, thank you for the super chat Thank you Josh Do you think there is any chance Abby goes after everyone around Joel

as revenge? My logic is that the true revenge would be to target everyone else and leave Joel even more broken That would actually an interesting way to keep Pedro around a little like I think you would still have to kill off Joel but if they do decide to

set up some other people in Jackson and then those people are killed but you're not going to feel as much of the As the audience, like, you've got to get that revenge. You're not really going to feel it as much. But that would be an interesting way to postpone Joel's death scene. No, from the perspective of I want more Pedro Pascal in present time, absolutely. That's an interesting way of going about it.

The only issue and problem is Abby wants direct revenge on the man directly responsible for murdering her father. So I just knowing Abby's character from part two, I don't see her. I just want to torture this man as much as possible, not physically, mentally by hurting people around him like she it was very again interesting idea but it was made very clearly in part two in the video game that uh we are not like she had a chance to kill out uh ellie she had a chance to kill Tommy in the scene where she kills Joel yeah she made it very clear we're not here to kill them or and owen obviously was a helping hand but we're not here to kill them we were just here for Joel and that's it so but interesting perspective to

keep pedro pascal in the present time longer for sure Thank you, Josh. Appreciate that. Thank you, Josh. Hey, I'm, thank you to everyone to contribute to our super chats. I'm going to turn off the super chats right now. Thank you all. But we're going to wrap up the ones that we currently have. I got to get Andrew out of here.

There's that thing that Koi does where he drags out his time here. Oh, sorry, guys. Answers every question with so much, so much care and consideration. I should just say, yes. You got to pull other live stream methods. We're just like, yeah, no, whatever. Thanks, moving on. Okay. In the future, I will...

That's how most people live stream, you've got to be more like that. So in the future, I will do what women do on dates with me. One worded answers. My bad. Peyton List. That's big. I don't feel sorry for you. Peyton List. I've seen the woman you go on dates with. That's her name, Peyton List. Yeah. We were going to get there.

Yeah. Don't worry. We'll still read your comment. Chad, Michael, Simon. Thank you so much. A challenge with cutting between the two halves is Abby's story has nothing to do with Ellie until the end of her day three audiences might be confused. That is true. It is kind of like, I don't know, it could be still building up to it because it is sort of like Abby just goes and it's like, what happened? They're all dead, huh? Like by the time Abby goes to find Ellie?

I mean, yeah, it does have nothing to do. But the whole thing was, I mean, it's a journey about like, what am I actually here to fight for? when it comes to fighting the seraphites like everything i'm let because abbey is so hellbent on killing sarah fights she's so believing into the philosophy that isaac and the w lf have infused upon her and just like her experiences with lev and yar which are so damn deep and important like give her a different perspective kind of like with a little bit with how ellie felt towards like even in the show like she was being trained by by uh fedra and to hate fireflies and like no now you're she wants to go to the fireflies hey like i want to like i need you to help me produce a vaccine of

my blood or my brain whatever like i'm kind of thing elie's going down the abbey path both like literally and metaphorically she's going down the abbey path and while she's going down that path abbey's going down a very different path that is causing her to not be the person who would who would have killed joel you know and um so i do think actually cutting back and forth would be would would still work As granted, they're two very different plot lines, but I still think it would work. And last point, I want to make what I love to when we are cutting to Abby, what, even before day three, we see that she doesn't get the satisfied. Like, seeing her in days one and two, shouldn't she be so happy? She got the man that killed her dad.

But, like, revenge is a fickle thing. Like, it doesn't, it doesn't drive her to a place. Like, I still feel like, I still feel empty and hollow inside. And, like, and I got the guy who killed my dad. like I thought that was a very interesting perspective that they that they laid in the game was like okay yeah this isn't pertinent story wise but at least like character driven wise like this is damn deep in my opinion the panda thank you thank you I hope you guys are going to do a combo reaction with game crew and non game crew for finale and there's time between last of us one and two maybe they could fill in the time with the season two and three then Joel dies in season four they're not going to post everyone too much wishful thinking here people too many people are wishing they just wait till he hold it off hold it off it's going to be so controversial it's like when you're in a it's like when you have a breakup coming around the corner and you just keep postponing it when you know this relationship's going to end yeah you got to just be willing to rip that band-aid off it's going to be damn controversial when it happens which is why again i think going to the route that you mentioned earlier it's not going to it's not going to soften the blow of what happens but at least we will have a perspective and a motivational understanding of where abby is coming to you from it's still going to be damn divisive but at least again i think that is the smarter route to go on yeah no i'm not going to do a video with john the last of us he had borrowed up my game

for years he could have played it the first one yeah years but no he doesn't care about you guys as much as I do. I played for you guys. Don't forget KJ. KJ paid on this from Kobokai could play Abby. Thank you, KJ. Thank you, KJ. Appreciate your comment.

And you stole that from you earlier. I'm sorry, KJ. My apologies. That was you. I give you credit. Perenigate! I really don't like the idea. Thank you, Perenegate.

I really don't like the idea of empathize it with Abby before she kills Joel. The whole point is to let go of your anger, see things from a different perspective after you already hate her. again that's something that i think you can that totally makes sense when you're being the one in control and you like the thing with the last of us games is whoever you are playing as you do not break that perspective you just plain and simple do not take like the show of season one you break the perspective all the time from joel and ellie like you cut around of different characters and you go into their perspective like scenes where joll and ellie are not around

you are in you you are getting to see who they are that is it's different but when you're when you are the one being the person it's easier and then going through these like experiences as that person controlling them then you have an opportunity and even then for a lot of people they were not able to achieve that different perspective even though they got to play as abbey they a lot of people were not able to achieve that and for a show where you got to have people tuning in weekly yeah where they are going to be taking their time to cut around other people's perspectives and break from just locking into ellie or just solely locking into abbey i feel like you're going to have to you're going to have to mix up the structure personally absolutely hold on andrew

hold on just wait don't yell at me andrew abbey versus elia fight in the theater is going to be rough it's going to be awesome i can't Yeah, I love that scene in the game or that fight because you are controlling Abby, I believe. I know a lot of people. I've seen some YouTube stuff gameplay-wise. Some people hate Abby so much that even though they're controlling Abby, I've seen two different things. One, they keep jumping off cliffs and stuff to die. Or they let Ellie just win that fight.

Like, no, kill me, Ellie. Kill me. Yeah, no, Ellie's scary in that fight. JP. Oh, yeah, no, she actually feels a little bit like David in. Yeah, and, uh, no, she's terrifying. Yeah, she's terrifying. Too many shirts.

Also, Andrew, you've been great. Oh, J&P. Well, thank you first for your contribution. I know Greg forgot to say thank. Thank you so much, JP. And also for your comment. I appreciate JP. You're great.

Thank you. He's a, J.P.'s amazing. Season two is going to be a multiple. It's got a lot of repeat questions here. Someone, someone just, I saw in the chat. Someone said, where is John and Tara's reaction? Well, like, uh, for the last eight weeks.

It comes on Tuesday. Tuesday mornings. It'll be here tomorrow. And I will be tuning in first thing right when it pops up on my YouTube feed. They have been great. Love watching. I also find it's such an interesting perspective from people who have not played the game or not as in. Not saying not invested in the characters, obviously they are, but not like have any expectations of it's got to be this way.

I'm going to compare this and compare that. I just find like when Greg told me what he was thinking like a month and a half, two months before, like we started. I was like, that's actually a fascinating idea and not for the fact that I actually, like, want to do this reaction with you, but like, Greg and, or Craig, John and Terra's reaction, like, getting a non-gamer's perspective, like, that's actually interesting, like, just seeing, like, the differences between us because Greg and I are obviously, we're so invested in this world before the show even starts. So getting to see John and Tara's, I've loved every second of it. Like, it's interesting, you know, seeing the contrast between us. Yeah. Yeah. Great idea, Greg. So basically what I said in that soliloquy. And then you wonder how you don't get out of here on time, Andrew. It's my fault. With you talking about my great ideas and John and Tara's amazing videos. But don't worry.

I'll tell you, Abby, you wouldn't stop talking, even though he's probably watching us. Yeah, he probably is. I need a live stream like that. Elias, how are you excited already to see Sarah? Elias, thank you so much. Elias, thank you. How excited are you to see Sarah fights in season two? I hope they're terrifying.

I mean, yeah. I'm excited to see them. I thought that it brought a different and interesting perspective, just having this religious cult and just seeing the war waged between, you know, the WLF, the Wolves and also the seraphites and like how Isaac just seeks control of this entire area. So the only good people are the people in Jackson. It's the only good people are the people in Jackson. But yeah, it's just so funny.

They're all suck. They're all terrible. Yeah, the seraphites in action will bring a different. different side to it for sure i i i think like the production on that and the kind of choreography the brutality like that can be some real heavy-handed gore with those kind of yeah yeah that's disturbing they can even go racist with it if they wanted to they really can um the end does not justify the means true Andrew croft why'd you redact your message well thank you when is John Terra's reaction.

I'm excited. Is that why you redacted your message? Jay tomorrow. Hello, love this channel. Thank you, Andrew, by the way. Thank you, Jay. Chebacca. I don't think Pedro's signed it to me Ned Stark.

Pedro's died in so many different things. He would totally be willing to die. Pedro is so funny. I'm obsessed with his interviews. He was just on hot ones recently. He's amazing. Every interview I've seen the guy, he's hilarious. One of the best SNL hosts I think we've ever had, honestly.

I've got to watch that. He's so. funny he's like such a funny he did like I've only seen him in this like gravitas work yeah and then I see him in interviews and he's like oh my god he's like a really loose guy oh yeah there was this interview

because he was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer with Sarah Michelle Giller and Sarah Michelle Geller posted a picture of them from Buffy and the interviewer just really quick the interviewer asked you do you show him the picture like oh my god that's great and then said do you remember this like I remember everything like we'd have ice cream at midnight she'd invite me to her trailer and she was so

nice to me always would give him me like pointers and stuff about my acting and stuff like of course i remember everything like i'm like he's so down to earth and so humble i love it well it's also really honest about his insecure like i think that's the thing about why people love pedro pascal too is because as much as he plays like these tougher more brooding characters and stuff and he's amazing in these roles when you see that he's actually also like a really loose hilarious guy like he's he's quite opposite from a lot of the characters he plays. Yes. And a way that is exceptionally charming.

I think that it makes you more attached to like, oh, Pedro, he's a goofy guy. He's goofy. That's the thing. He's really goofy. He's a terrific actor. Nick, what would take you, Nick? Thank you, Nick. What would you guys think of season two being an original story outside of the game story?

I'm just hoping for a little more poppy Pedro, love from Germany. Yeah. That's what everyone wants. It's not going to happen. Yeah. It's not going to happen. Yeah. I mean, they're not going to.

Again, there's things. I mean, Neil and Craig have said, hey, if it deviates from the story and it improves it, we will do it. But I know where you're getting at. It's going to happen whether we wanted to or not. Like, Joel's dying. It's just, it's going to happen. And they're not going to deviate too far from a lot of the things that happen in the story. So I just don't see that happening.

but if they did totally deviate and do a whole original story, if it was as impactful and really good as season one and even better than what happens in part two, I mean, go for it. I mean, I'm going to watch either way. But I just don't see them. I mean, when you got the groundwork and there was too many things that they put in place and too many foreshadowing things

to have me believe that they are going to go a whole original route and deviate totally different from part two. Well said Andrew Gordon Ryan Platt Thank you Brian Thank you Ryan What if Abby kills both Tommy And Joel and Ellie has to watch over his kid

Dude that would suck Now you can't kill Tommy Well I mean you're saying Ellie has to watch over the kid But I mean Maria is still around So I guess Ellie would be kind of more like a I would love it if Maria is like I can't watch over my kid

It's too much Reminds you too much of Tommy No, I think they're going to expand on Tommy's screen time. Definitely. We're going to see a lot more of that adventure he had that was not feat that that was all happening off screen. Yeah. That is really important in Last of Us 2. And I do think that will ultimately, I don't think, I don't think Abby will be killing off Tommy.

I really hope. It would really be upsetting. Yeah. I would be upset. I'd be like a bunch of bullshit. I did like that sequence. where you're playing as Abbey and Tommy's trying to sniper rifle you. Like, that is a tough and very tense sequence.

Would be cool if they kept that one in there for sure. Yeah. But I agree with you. They're going to expand Tommy's role and screen time in this for sure. Ramon Brown. Who do you think will win the fight, Joel, Rick Grimes? I think live action Joel will lose to Rick Rhymes, but I think video game Joel would beat Rick Rimes. Dave Lopez.

Thank you. You're a final super chat today. Thank you, Dave. Do you guys think season two? will be much longer. Yes. I feel like they'll get at least one more episode. I think it'll be 10 episodes.

You've got to do at least 20 episodes if you're going to adapt season two. So I think season, I mean, two seasons of second games. So two seasons of 10 episodes. Two seasons, 10 episodes. Yeah. I feel like they can manage that. Oh, yeah. I could, yeah, I could see that.

But your serious tone. I know you like to be sarcastic, Craig, right? I've been really serious for a lot of this. Serious tone, though. Where do you truly, like, where do you truly see the season in your mind ending season two, like to live, leave for a cliff? Because obviously there's no cliffhanger to, you just play the whole game, when you're playing part two. Where could you be satisfied in your mind where like, this is a good place to stop it right here before we continue to season three? I think it's when, uh, when Abby discovers, oh, if they're, if they decided to like the idea,

scenario i i envision yes yes the way you envision yes is if they are cutting back and forth between the two story lines is then you can um it would i wouldn't end it when at when abby gets to the theater i would end it when abby discovers owen is dead yeah i could i could see that you know what i mean because then you could expand upon a lot of like the santa barbara stuff and the rattlers too because that becomes one giant epilogue at the farm and and then abbey and santa barbara and all that like that's it's just it's it's a really just a big epilogue and i think you can really expand on that shit and then you're also drastically changing locations from where your focus is because everything's in seattle in there and then season three would be

like the start at the farm and then Santa Barbara but you definitely want to see by season by the end of season two you want to see that massive battle between the WLF and the seraphites right by the end of season two that would be cool yeah oh yeah when they're running through it yeah that's great yeah yeah yeah that's where Abby loses all her weapons yeah yeah yeah that would that would be cool but knowing the show there'll probably be like five minutes long right yeah that whole sequence That whole two-hour sequence condensed to five minutes. Just be like a minute. You know, it would be like five seraphites that just show up.

I don't know. That might even be too short then, huh? I think that's a great ending spot. Yeah. But I feel like you would need like 12 to 13 episodes instead of 10 if you were to do. Like, I think you can do like, it's cable. So sometimes you don't need the exact same number of episodes. Right, right, right.

So like even stranger things when full experimental. this time where they had like a few episodes and then their part two was like their part two had like a two and a half hour finale episode and an hour and a half prior to that you know and then you waited forever for that so you can do something like that if they want it as well where you do have season two that's like 12 to 13 episodes then i think that would be a great ending spot not put it that way that way your season three can start off with a bang where abby goes to the theater like that would be that would hook you in you know i Yeah, I could see that. But it ends with like Abby knows and now she's going to go after Ellie. Yeah, yeah. I think that would be cool. So that's just my opinion, though. All right, guys.

Well, we are done for today. Sorry, it's fantastic. Really tired. But here we are. I enjoyed that we were able to, I enjoy that we were able to. the super chats are done right now how do i remove this i'm losing my brain power here people oh no wrong button wrong button wrong go away it won't go away um oh wait wait wait ah i figured it out

andrew coming closer to me andrew someone says oh andrew is handsome and hot i'd love to hear that thank you i appreciate it guys i'm here with andrew today i'm glad that we got to do this journey. Yes. I'm glad we got to talk about everything that we weren't able to really talk about in our videos. But I want to thank everyone who joined us on this journey. Thank you. And oh, yeah, also, by the way, Bella was called Belly by Pedro Pescal.

Yeah, I, again, I didn't. You took credit for something that was not your credit. To be fair, to be fair, I didn't watch any interviews with Pedro Pascal. To be fair, but I'm happy to give full credit because he's one of my favorite actors anyway. so Pedro you get full credit I guess I took something I didn't hear from you so my bad jackass

yeah but thank you guys for being here and I appreciate my bros here jabby's here he's gonna die but yeah but I appreciate

I appreciate everyone for for the support over the past few weeks and you know some people wondered how we got these out fast It was a lot of fun editing. I won't reveal my secrets, but it was a lot of fun editing. It was a lot of fun putting the thumbnails together. It was quite a journey.

So shouts out to people really quick here. Chrissy Ann, thank you. General Grevis, Seattle, K-O, Dave Lopez, Pandemic Jones, Rogue Persephone, Andrew Gordon, Yivvin Badger, and Avby, the nerdy Wave. And guys, keep a look out for John and Tara's reaction. Can't wait. Tara has done something special for you guys. You will see what it is.

And much love. And we will see you other things coming up here this week that I hope you guys do enjoy. All right. Thank you guys. I'm going to end this stream right now. Much love. Enjoy all the additional things we've got to offer. And leave a like on this video.

And don't forget. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not a bad call, Andrew. Get a shit.