The Reel Rejects - THE LAST OF US SEASON 2 LIVE SPOILER DISCUSSION!!!

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Starting point is 00:01:00 Is that the missing step? Oh, here we are. We are. We're big, please. but you also have access to the account. We are here, guys. Okay, can you guys hear us? Is John saved the day?

Starting point is 00:01:38 Can you guys hear us okay? That's the important part. We were fighting off a horde of infected. All right. It looks like we got things moving and grooving. I'm going to move this along. Let me see if I can feature you guys in a weird fashion here on screen. Oh, here we go.

Starting point is 00:01:58 Yay. No buffering. including for Abby. You are so awesome. All right, cool. Oh, sweet. And we figure out how we can show you guys as comments on screen. That makes me even happier.

Starting point is 00:02:14 Yeah, so we do that. Boom. And then if there's a way, where's the chat? One sec. We're going to get the last bit. Juan, can I get you over here, please? Where's the check? We need this to be moving.

Starting point is 00:02:28 Moving and the groove. has the chat all right cool all right we're going to start this all over again what we're going to do is we're going to act like we did not have any tech problems and we're just going to have fun with this guys because it is it is it's kind of like non-stop tech issues to keep like right now we're now we're trying to get your chats to actually load so let's just go into this right away i see guys in uh we did the last of us we have the blind reactors are going to be coming in here at two o'clock p.m. so that is in one hour so you're stuck with us for the next one hour done done now uh you guys have played the game you guys love

Starting point is 00:03:18 the game you've had a wonderful time with the game now we've experienced the show how are you feeling with this show after all this time um because we got to watch a little bit in advance And I see there's still so much, like, the part of this experience that I have found the most off-putting is how Bella Ramsey is getting all this unnecessary hate for much. Can you guys talk a little bit about that? Because what I find weird about this Bella Ramsey hate is how she, Abby was the thing that got so much hate when the game came out. And now to see Bella Ramsey giving it her all is now the most hated thing. and I'm not even sure where it really stems from why that's there. So

Starting point is 00:04:01 yeah, I'm just trying to like sort of figure that out. It is really weird. Yeah, I don't know because I know some people in my own personal life that loved Last of Us too but are having a hard time lashing on to the show. I think for some reason they

Starting point is 00:04:17 put it on Bella Ramsey and I'm like, I don't really get that. That doesn't really apply to me because I feel like for the most part, at least for the outline of the story, it's pretty faithful to the experience other than the volume of violence we experience. But yeah, I think it's only necessary that they are getting all this hate because they do a great job.

Starting point is 00:04:38 And it's weird that they love Bella and Pedro together, but when it comes to her being the lead with Dina, what I've heard, like people love Dina and love Jesse, but they're not really clinging on to Bella there. So it's a little perplexing. have you comments are yeah how do you are you guys feeling did you guys like season two did you not like season two

Starting point is 00:05:01 or also before that Andrew yeah in regards to Bella Ramsey I mean the thing I usually look for when it comes to adapting a character especially a character that I I'm so I've played for so long you know when it comes to Ellie like is the appearance there and does the

Starting point is 00:05:18 the actor you know embody the role let's get it out of the way Bell Ramsey does not look like Ellie, fine. I can live with that. Most of them don't. Yeah, yeah. Agreed. But does Bell Ramsey embody the role? There were definitely times where in the first season, I think Greg said it best when we were reacting to it, where I just kept on comparing. But there were times where I was like, that's Ellie. And then as we got along more in season two,

Starting point is 00:05:45 Bell Ramsey definitely grew on me a lot more. And some really dramatic moments where I just was growing a lot more attached. Again, if you don't like Bella Ramsey as Ellie, that's totally fine and respect that we all have subjective opinions that we hold on to dearly, and that's fine. But it's, you know, like Greg said, the

Starting point is 00:06:06 unnecessary aid, and I've seen a lot of it. I've seen pictures where there's a potato picture. I've seen pictures where I think it's Kevin James. I mean, yeah, it's like memes are funny and all, but I mean, she's got a job to do, and I think, or excuse me, they have has a job to do, and, you know, Bella's

Starting point is 00:06:22 working really hard and I respect that and again there's points in there where I'm really like I truly feel that Bella is is Ellie so I personally like Bella as Ellie I wasn't on board right away but as time has gone on I've I've really latched on to Bella Ramsey as Ellie a lot more I didn't know we got a super chat here we had one from Michelle earlier thank you for the super sticker on the other live stream and Ethan T thank you for the super chat says hey guys not last of us related but will love you guys to react to Better Man, specifically Greg, John, and Roxy, truly believe you guys will love it, truly underrated love, as always. Thank you. Your request has been filed into the reaction consideration box.

Starting point is 00:07:04 Really appreciate it. Boop-a-boop. Which one's Better Man again? No idea what that is, but it seems like a good time. It's a biopic, and there's a particular element that makes it unique. Sounds like the character from Grandma's, boy. So Nikki XO is saying it's the writer's fault, not only Bella. I hate that season two's shitty water down writing is being used as ammunition to attack Bella. If don't hate Bella, but sometimes I found her more over the top in the game version, which can annoy me because there's...

Starting point is 00:07:38 Well, at least the love part happened before they even go on, and it was more of an inconvenience in the game. So I think that's part of it, or at least why some people were having issues. I personally like the fact that we're adding some layers of complexity to her because I feel like, you know, her just being kind of steadfast focus and then in the face of this addiction that, you know, this drug called violence and revenge that she's on, it's all pretty straightforward, but her being able to, you know, see a that I personally felt was sort of missing.

Starting point is 00:08:16 Even if I hadn't played the game, I would kind of feel like it's missing. for a bit of a ramp up. And I think from what comments are at least saying is intentionality may have been glossed over or intentionality might have been overlooked a better performer. If the goal is that you want them to do a better job, being a harassment bully online

Starting point is 00:08:37 is not going to fucking get the job done. So I think it's a bunch of bullshit what they do. I think it's horrible treatment to do to another individual. It's like people forget just because they're an actor or something that they're also a goddamn human being. and it just doesn't make sense to me to treat another human being like this over a video game character. Sorry, Andrews, or something you wanted to add to that. No, I just, that's a good point.

Starting point is 00:08:58 I've never, even if I don't particularly like a performance, amen, I don't think like writing to that actor or even putting it out there. I mean, again, you can have your opinion, but you don't need to have, I mean, constructive criticism is totally fine, but I don't think you need to have such hate vitriol towards a human being for giving it their all. I agree with that. Yeah, I think another thing that maybe some people didn't latch on to, which, you know, yeah, people are the day, guys.

Starting point is 00:09:35 Yeah, people are, we understand. We understand if you don't want to be here. Yeah, this is not. It's probably not worth it. We don't understand what is going on here. Yeah, I see it on the playback. It's like it looking terrible. Is this still buffering, guys?

Starting point is 00:10:17 is it better now why would it be we don't really know what the problem is though wait to stop hey let's wait to find out what it might be not now not now it's doing it not now seems like it's good now if it's working fine say endurance survive i want but no audio No audio. Oh, great. Now the sound seems to be off. Why would that be, they kick? Someone said this random guy said is genuinely better? Hello?

Starting point is 00:11:07 Hello? Hello? Can you hear us now? Hello? Can you hear the wires coming out to my mouth? And it's not very good. i see that endurance survive comment hey okay we got one okay another one i have audio but now it's buffering we drink okay but the buffering still kind of happening a lot huh

Starting point is 00:11:47 kick it kick all the things what do you i'm confused by that comment okay we got some abby loving here we have dropped it to a lower streaming quality rate but we don't know should we restart the computer Hello. Hello. All right, we're back on. Can you hear and see us? Can you hear and see us? Is it working?

Starting point is 00:12:32 Is the buffering done? No, it's definitely buffering. All right. How's the buffering now? Is it still buffering? Excellent connection. Tell us if the buff. Right now, YouTube is saying, excellent connection.

Starting point is 00:12:46 We appreciate you. wordy keep holding up down the fort saying excellent connection and that everything is good no buffering but okay now it's out of sync we are back no buffering you can hear us you can see us are we working the audio is off not buffering but the audio is off weird i don't know what i mean would you guys prefer an out of sync audio or a buffering video basically here and see just audio now guys just refresh and it'll be in sync i'm not sure we just refreshed everything It would have been good if I typed this in before we started doing, we are watching, we got to start.

Starting point is 00:14:05 Can you guys hear us now? Can you hear us now? It's still delayed. Audio is good. You are in sync. Looks good. All right. Looks good.

Starting point is 00:14:17 sounds good. Okay, thanks. I think we got it. All right. So let's just say that I was talking earlier when everything I realized you guys probably couldn't hear most of what we were saying is that I don't agree with bullying a human being online and trying to shame them into doing a better job. So people who are taking that approach of Bella Ramsey, not saying you have to like their worth. You can be critical of the. work but you're smart enough to know at least i hope you are smart enough to know when you're being an abusive ass asshole with your words when your words are intending to hurt another person and uh yeah i think it's a classic case of cyber bullying uh for some reason with bella ramsie getting all the blame in the world for everything and that's the part of it where i'm like yeah i mean do i prefer ellie in the game over bella ramsie kind of by a lot i do um kind of like most definitely but I would by no means stooped at this level of like, I'm going to try to like rage bait and drive views

Starting point is 00:15:24 and also just attack on X and Instagram, this one individual. I think it's fucking stupid. I think it's really, really bad. So that's just my opinion about it. Let's try to get this. I'm admittedly just trying to act like I'm totally like not throw it off my flow here at all here. Yeah, I'm going to bring the chat back on screen.

Starting point is 00:15:43 Don't you fret. Flowing, guys. I just got to pull it up here. Window cat. John, which one is it again, this one? Nope, that's the wrong one. Oh, wait a minute. Hold on.

Starting point is 00:15:55 I'm going to bring you guys back up on the chat here. Pop out that chat. Yeah, baby. Don't worry, you guys. We're going to make this so sexy. We're going to make this so sexy for y'all. Oh, wow, wow. Booyah.

Starting point is 00:16:13 Okay. Yay Woo-woo You guys talk Holy shit You know I really enjoyed The show version of Ellie

Starting point is 00:16:29 Because I think it allowed For us to see Some dynamics in Ellie's journey Internally You know she has these conflicting feelings About the things that she's doing In the face of the knowledge That she has possessed the whole time

Starting point is 00:16:43 and having that intention of seeking revenge, of using violence to address grief, you're also met with the future of possibility with now being a parent potentially with the girl that you love. So those two things, not only culminating in love while on the journey, but finding out that you're going to be a parent on that journey. In the face of taking life, you're finding out you have the possibility of having a new one. I feel like those two things happening in tandem rather than it being an annoyance in what she's trying to do, I think allows for something to be more interesting and then creates something that is more tragic because of the seeds of that decision, of that, the dichotomy of potentials of two outcomes are presented earlier in the story.

Starting point is 00:17:38 So that really worked for me. Now, I think another part of things that people had an issue with, and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, or if you disagree, that with adaptation, you know, you have to adjust certain things. I personally, I liked Dina in the game, but I wasn't really super attached to Dina. I was attached to Dina because Ellie was attached to Dina. But I think the show has to do a job of getting you to like this character, even if she is not just, solely, you know, the thing that, or the person that Ellie's on journey with. Now, in that, you have to create a circumstance which becomes more vital. So what they do is make her more competent and Ellie more drive.

Starting point is 00:18:25 So I think in the taking some of those qualities away from Ellie to give them to Dina, it makes her seem a lot more irrational in her journey, which I guess could translate to her not being as likable. Because, you know, seeing her take out as many people, you're not seeing the, you're not seeing the uh what's the gold you're not seeing that id in practice with how capable she is more frequently it creates the sense of okay she's not as uh equipped for this mission for this journey as ellie is in the game but i think it for me it makes it more human the fact that bella ramsie does look younger than ellie in the game i think incensuates that feeling of oh these two are weighing

Starting point is 00:19:08 over their head. They're just two kids trying to go against an army to find one person. The whole journey is pretty rational. So I think that because it's adapted for a different medium, it accentuates some of that, but also her writing being altered to make Dina punched up is a casualty of that. I still was attached to the video game version of Dina, but I definitely like what we got here a lot more in the show because we get the backstory, obviously in her in New Mexico, we find out. I think that back story. We got a lot with, I think she said it was in Santa Fe with her mother and her sister. And, you know, again, we see a lot of that parallel between her and Ellie

Starting point is 00:19:50 where, you know, they dealt with a lot of the same thing. And also, I like that personal, you know, connection that she has with Jill. So it makes her going on the trip. Again, it feels more personal as well with Dina going with Ellie. Besides the fact that in the first game, it's more she's just going with Ellie because Ellie needs her to and she wants to obviously because she's in love with Ellie but now it's Joel's like a father figure to her so now she really has

Starting point is 00:20:14 to go and I thought it was interesting too in episode 5 I think there's a line from Dina as well where she says it doesn't matter what they've done like they deserve what's coming to them and then I think it's in the finale episode where she said something along the lines of

Starting point is 00:20:30 you know we need to get out of here I think like she was having the realization and the contrast like this only ends one way type of thing and also that one way. So I think that, you know, she was taking a more mature approach towards the whole situation as she, as they were going along and then realizing like you were saying, Aaron, they're up against an army. So it's like, what can we do here? And I think that was an interesting way to grow the character as the episodes were going

Starting point is 00:20:57 along. So I think we got a lot more interesting beats here with Dina than we did in the video game. But I still really, again, I really still like the video game version, but I like the, the reason I love the TV show also is because we've mentioned it so many times where they hit the major B points and then they do their own thing, Mazen, and Druckman. But now when I play the video games, I can add these things. I can add that backstory. I can add, you know, with Isaac or whatever. And I like that I can fill in these gaps here that I didn't get in the game. Uh-oh, it was the buffering back. don't understand why let me give me a second give it a second

Starting point is 00:21:40 I don't know I don't know we did everything we could is it because I hit C you right that shouldn't do anything so john's buffering really bad again that's too bad that's too bad i don't know what to do all right somebody chesty shirt love you do appreciate you is it still buffering

Starting point is 00:22:29 five bucks anything from a dollar to five bucks i know can be life or death for a lot of people and to me it's no small feet so thank you to anyone who is contributing our way that amount no matter how small to big because big can mean a lot to a lot of people you know it give five bucks can mean a like be a big number to a lot of people so thank you it doesn't go unrecognized really do appreciate it. Shane, is it? Is it? You said knock the resolution down?

Starting point is 00:23:16 I thought we did that. OBS that would solve it I go for it it's okay it's better now okay John he still put it to 1080p while we're here the ocean it comes and goes This is a very disjointed stream. I apologize. I am feeling very mad at the moment. I can't lie. I am feeling very angry at the situation. Not angry at anyone. I'm angry at the, I'm really mad at the situation right now. I'm actually kind of pissed off at the situation. So, sorry. I don't want to just be here to hide your anger. I am really, I am very angry at the situation right now. sir yeah it's we do that whole thing of like be honest with your feelings beforehand and i'm not yeah not going to lie it's like really put me in a very angry uh mindset at the moment take revenge on the youtube gods on the stream gods but no yeah thank you goldfish it is specifically aaron that i'm pissed off

Starting point is 00:24:44 why did you do this sir goldfish goldfish tried i want everyone to see goldfish tried retracting this message but oh mother effort you have you have made the stream i I have caught this. Where'd you go? Where'd you go? Oh, okay. Find his name. Where is it?

Starting point is 00:25:00 It's right here. I'm trying to pull it up on the goddamn screen, but I can't do it successfully do it. Yeah, you said it's Aaron that I'm mad. You can't hide. It's the internet. It's forever. Oh, no.

Starting point is 00:25:13 You can't hide from me. I'm on to you, man. Oh, she is. I know. I appreciate you guys understanding. I just, I wanted it to go smooth. And the new office we're getting is going to have the crazy, crazy amount of internet. Poo-bo-B-B-B-B-U.

Starting point is 00:25:33 Oh, so true, Jess Vex. So true. You know, I did, I didn't, did I say to everyone before? I'm like, hey, we probably won't get too much super chats, but it's not about that. We're experimenting here with an after show. Roxy comes on at 2. That's what 2 PM Blind Reactors means. All right, we're going to reset the mood here.

Starting point is 00:25:50 Now that I have unleashed my anger. It's the primeless screams Shane Games 07 Andrew read it loud and read it proud Shane Games 07 thank you so much for your super chat We appreciate it. Love the content guys Keep up the great work Season 2 to me was terrible

Starting point is 00:26:11 Maybe episode 1 and 2 were all right But other than that terrible will you know what Shane Games 07 again appreciate it I don't fully agree with that I think episode 6 and episode 2 were standouts for me. But again, I respect your opinion. I'd love to know, like, in particularly what you had issue with. But again, respect your opinion, man. What do you guys think? We obviously, you hate the same as you. I'm curious to know why he thought it was

Starting point is 00:26:40 terrible. I mean, I would, like I said, it's not not liking the show or not liking performances. It's the manner in which you go about the matter. And to me, I don't have an issue with I don't know I'm not sure with a bluntness like that Yeah I'm not followed by You know fucking virtue signaling and woke agenda Talking points that some can't say It's so strange to me Because I know a few people in my life who love the game

Starting point is 00:27:08 Even with the game being controversial And now the show is out Even though it's largely faithful They hate the show I don't know Granted some people are more vocal than others about it But it's almost a ironic because you hate this other form of a thing

Starting point is 00:27:25 that's controversial, even though you like the initial thing that was controversial. Definitely. It's all facts. All right. Joe Craman, reaction request Pan's Labrins. I've never seen it. Did we not? I thought we assigned people to do a reaction. Really? I think we're waiting for like a Guillermo, if you guys haven't noticed, we have a very obvious like, hey, what might be algorithm, you know, harmony at the moment? So, yeah, I mean, we might just fucking do it, but at the same time, like,

Starting point is 00:27:52 It might make a little more sense to hold off for a tiny bit longer. I want to do that one. Huh? Yeah. Janie S. Thank you, Jamie S. Janie S, what you have to do is thank John. John has been the one primarily handling this stream.

Starting point is 00:28:10 So all successes go to him, and everything bad goes to the Internet. Janie S says something neither reject team seemed to notice. What? Did I point this out to you? You did. Was the bruising on Abby's neck at the theater? Yes. No spoiler for the blind team, but it's important.

Starting point is 00:28:29 Oh, is that from the rope? Yeah, from the rope. I actually pointed it out to him yesterday because I saw it when I watched it the second. I was like, oh, I'm so mad we missed that detail. Yeah. I'm like, oh, that's, you know, that's going to come back in season three and it's going to be a play an important role in the progression of that season. So I'm excited. But Bella doesn't have a rope burn.

Starting point is 00:28:51 I was thinking. I was thinking that, too. I was like, why doesn't Pella have, or Ellie, rather? Why doesn't Ellie have one? Oh, that's a fun catch. Thanks for that. Yeah. Thank you for that.

Starting point is 00:29:00 Yeah. What a fun way to get it. Easter egg to our way. Jockey Williams. Thank you so much. Thank you. Um, they said, Aaron,

Starting point is 00:29:08 much read that. They made Ellie soft so that skinny Abby looks more dangerous and I get it. But eh, you watch your dad die. I need more bloodlust. To be fair, you know, The bloodlust was there, but I think it's more about the intentionality of what grief does than actually, you know, physically stabbing people and all the killing and whatnot. I feel like you get a lot of that in the game.

Starting point is 00:29:35 I feel like you get that because she's like a killing machine. Nothing's in her way, but I feel like it loses, in adaptation, loses some of that impact when she's killing people left and right. So when she does have a more intimate murder, it doesn't hit as hard. But, you know, I understand what you're saying. you know it's very satisfying as Ellie to uh you know sneak up behind people and throw bottles with them and stab them in the neck so you know I as a game player I get it but as someone who you know tries to see empathy and intention I feel like you know it didn't bother me as much

Starting point is 00:30:09 but I totally understand where you're going to screw that I want more dogs killed they did omit that though yeah I feel like it would have made Ellie a little bit unlikable had they done that you're right in the game she's like the terminator But, yeah, it's a little bit different here. But there's also a lot of sneaking around in the game, too. So, but, yeah. We did get a taste of it, obviously, in that Nora scene here in episode five, I think. So which I did like seeing that, that rageful side that Bella Amsey, rather, was able to portray.

Starting point is 00:30:38 But if we would have got a little more of it, great. But I was happy that what we did get, but there's definitely more of that in the game. And I understand where Greg's frustration is. How did you guys feel about them trying to make efforts to, even in the face of her revenge? mission trying to make Ellie more likable as opposed to the game prison uh did did were they trying to make her more likable was that she didn't stab a dog in the neck I just feel like it was less I think in the I think because of how short this season is like by the time you get to that point in the game you already killed like a couple of dogs even though that dog kill is more

Starting point is 00:31:13 personal yeah um there is a bit of more of a detachment when you kill a dog in the game because it's like playing you're like the dogs are enemies at times when you're doing the gameplay like they're the ones you have to kill so you've got to get used to killing a dog so it would have a very different reaction if she kills a dog um maybe maybe she'll kill the dog next season or something but if she kills a dog here it's going to have a very different response yeah and then and then i think even the intention of the video game it would i don't think it would go down in the way it's meant to. I think it would just make her unlikable in a way that

Starting point is 00:31:51 could have been removed. But I mean, I talked extensively about it in the review. I do think that, you know, they could have definitely ramped up more violence for Ellie because I think you've learned about the character through action and violence and I think the season did shy away

Starting point is 00:32:07 from that. And I don't feel like she ever really had a scene where it was her on her own handling business outside of a little bit of the Nora moment. but even then I was kind of hung up on like how the fuck did you get to Nora?

Starting point is 00:32:21 Like they totally like snuck past WLF and that was like an opportune time to showcase her skill set and capability to pull off such a feat where they could have believed where they could have blind like they could have she could have grown into an action role

Starting point is 00:32:35 as the season progressed. Can translate to progression of character and attention. Yeah I think that's a very fair criticism too because like if you're going to skip over her one man army throughout the entire game and then just do it. it in that one scene building up to it to Nora.

Starting point is 00:32:50 I think that would have been a good way to have her, you know, get that, get that there. I agree. Tim Sim says season one, 4.9 out of five. Well, thanks for a super chat, by the way. Thanks, Tim. Season two, 4.6 out of five. Oh, so long a slight decrease for you. So far, great adaptations.

Starting point is 00:33:07 I think it needs not one, but two more seasons, in my opinion, to do adaptation of the second game, right? I agree with that. And Greg, rightfully pointed out season three is, going to be Abby's journey as we saw to the three days. And then season four, as Greg pointed out, is going to be the farm in Santa Barbara. Yes, yes, yes. Refresh your, apparently if you refresh the stream, it helps fix the buffering. Okay. I don't know why that is, but people are saying that when they refresh their stream,

Starting point is 00:33:36 it does a, it goes along a lot better for some reason. So hopefully that by the time the playback is happening it will be okay and yes you're right about this uh i want to just check in on some of the i'm having a hard time like my eyes navigating i need to like pull this up here okay so we're up there ah i see so i need to put in the chores the top that's how it works okay god wouldn't want terracine ellie kill a dog ain't that the truth you know what here's my opinion um to all the meat eaters here at real rejects which is everyone but me you bitch of about animal deaths stop eating meat

Starting point is 00:34:19 otherwise don't bitch about animal deaths plain and simple oh man some people don't like when I say that but it's like we still fucking eat animals you know I don't do I preach to you guys tonight I don't preach to you guys tonight eat animal I never preach forever reaction made us read like from the

Starting point is 00:34:38 vegan Bible passage the only time I say something is when you guys bitch about oh man they killed an animal like well yeah you mean me you contribute to this every single day that's the only one my righteousness steps out of it all right is the buffering like super duper bad yeah of course we want more of the sadistic killing that was part of the enjoyment of the video game sadistic killing there's a level of being removed from it though when you're also playing it because you're hearing

Starting point is 00:35:13 the people's friends but they're like oh freaking Craig and like oh guys we found Craig's body and it's like oh god and then Ellie's just like oh fuck every time she takes her knife out of somebody so there's a layer of like cold disconnect

Starting point is 00:35:27 from her actions but she's a one woman army in the game so yeah some of that is sacrificed her move Diego Gueverra says season one was a great adaptation season two felt like fanfic See, this is the part where I'm getting a little bit lost here is because season one was pretty faithful, you know.

Starting point is 00:35:49 I think Bella Ramsey did a really good job at capturing young Ellie. I think Joel, I've said this many times now, Joe plays, Pedro plays Joel more, the game's more hardened, Joel's more broken in the live action. I think what Pedro does is so different from Joel. Like, Joel has a whole crying scene with Tommy in the first scenes and when he's like, please take Ellie. like he's so much more of like a human beings and it baffles me how different Joel is and people fucking hate

Starting point is 00:36:18 there's this whole camp that hates Bella Ramsey but completely gets on board for Pedro Pascal. You know so it's a little strange because I'm like Pedro I think plays it totally different Pedro's like not a badass in this show he's not and so to me

Starting point is 00:36:35 I think season two when people say it feels like fanfic I actually can understand what they're saying I don't personally have that feeling. I think, though, where they've had this weird thing that kind of went a little awry is season one is a pretty solid one-to-one adaptation with some moments of major changes that they can get away with, like Bill. Bill's, and there's another half that's like, I think you kind of, I mean, A, there's people who hate the game who came here and hate the show. There's definitely that camp, but I think the show is no, it was, I immediately got the sense of like they're a little bit afraid. of how they're going to go about this, because I got so much on the line. They've got to hook people for two more seasons. It's a very different buy-in you're asking from the audience. And I think right from the jump, showing Abby and the fireflies

Starting point is 00:37:24 and the amount of something that feels wrong when he's killing everyone, it's more bold. This one is less bold than the video game, kind of by a lot. And I think that makes, that can dwindle some respect, I think. I can agree with that. I feel like the difference, it's tough, right? Because I get why they did what they did and trying to get you on Abbey's side earlier because the game in and of itself is a moral experiment, right?

Starting point is 00:37:58 So if you're trying to adapt that to a TV show that's supposed to air for multiple years and multiple seasons, it's harder to get somebody on board for the quote-unquote antagonist, for a follow-up season if you're not giving them the upfront for why you should care at all. Granted, you know, it's been funny watching people watch season two of the show and having them have a similar emotional experience

Starting point is 00:38:24 to most of us playing the game, which is like, okay, this is proof of concept that this worked, at least watching the blind reaction. You know, a lot of people are like, oh, this is Joel and Helley's show and like, oh, screw Abby. I'm like, okay, what's happening is the desired intent. I felt kind of unnecessary to what they were doing specifically within this journey, but it was clearly used a setup for season.

Starting point is 00:38:46 Hold on a second. John, it's saying that everything is terrible. How many, it's like, how's this going to figure? I feel like we've done this so many times. How is it now? How is it now? Audio bad again? Let us know.

Starting point is 00:39:38 It is Spectrum. You can't tell her back and go. It is Spectrum. You're right. I fucking hate Spectrum. You can't tell you how much I hate them. Other streams are working fine. It must be our internet today. That'd be ridiculous. Is it working now? It's back and better. I'll try to pick this back up.

Starting point is 00:40:26 Thank you guys. All right. We got 15 minutes here. Tim Sim. Also, Isabella Mercedes to be one of of my top favorites her best supporting actress Emmy, right? She was amazing. Yeah, again, I really love what she gave to the character.

Starting point is 00:40:47 I really love how much she made me connect to Dina so much more than the video game version. I love the backstory we got with her. I also, I love how intuitive she was, how fast on her feet she was, and I thought she was really headstrong, and I really, really thought Isabelle Merceded just gave so much depth to this character where there was not as much in the game and she was incredible i could totally see her for best supporting actors for sure 100% hopefully hopefully i hope bella ramsie gets a nomination she had some amazing or they had some amazing scenes in this in this season seriously uh the one with there was one in particular with joel in episode six i can't remember uh there

Starting point is 00:41:28 was a couple scenes in there where i was like Bella ramsi's just absolutely killing it right now Smithy says thank you Alan thank you Alan for the super chat my friend thanks for what you do rejects join the Patreon holy shit holy shit I bought three shirts including an air chesty shirt thank you so much really

Starting point is 00:41:48 thank you Alan damn have you posted photos on the Instagram stories and such post photos appreciate you man one request can you do more vomiting or fainting in your actions could increase views uh yeah let's stick my finger we're looking for Andrew to find a little

Starting point is 00:42:04 bit more ways to stand out. That could be it. Yes, definitely. Right now he's clearing his throat a lot. I will do anything to help the team out here, guys. We're going to get a peek bucket, get Andrew on. Human's M.P. He wears shorts without underwear. He loves

Starting point is 00:42:20 to lift his legs up and cross them, especially when he's not wearing underwear. Free ball. So, you know, Sharon Stone's my idol. It makes editing a little bit harder, but in the end, worth it. Anthony Velasquez says, as Aaron was drooling over Isabelle Merced the entire time

Starting point is 00:42:36 kept pointing out her looks. What the hell? It seemed like he made the other two very uncomfortable the whole time with his sexual comments. She's Aaron. Besides that, Isabella stole the show a season. I do have my problems with the show version of Ellie, but Bella is still doing a good job.

Starting point is 00:42:53 Hey, that's a fair assessment. Yeah, fair criticism. I mean, it's really hard to live. It's a thankless job, you know, like you got to if you're going to do something I guess the part that I can see on Bella Ramsey

Starting point is 00:43:08 that perhaps was a little bit missing is I think maybe people got on board A I think there is a thing culturally where it is easier to accept a guy doing something than a woman most of the time I know there are people who actually weren't fans of Pedro as Joel

Starting point is 00:43:22 and I think with Bella it I must have said this at some point Pedro was obviously really doing whatever he wanted. It didn't seem like he was taking any inspiration from Troy Baker. It says some things just happened to come across, like how Troy Baker would have done it due to the requirement of the role. Whereas I do think Bella Ramsey is trying to be like the video game,

Starting point is 00:43:50 and they might have been better off just doing their complete own thing. Otherwise, you can never really match or live up to a video game. adaptation role if you're trying to be that you think you have to you think unless of course you're like doing a Jeffrey Wright situation where you bring over the actor from the video game that's the only way you really pull it off and Marlene yeah yeah but that might be something for them to do I don't know I think Isabella I think Bella's going to come back and um kick a lot of ass the next time we see them for sure I mean that is a good point because Caitlin Denver she does a really good job Like there's times where she sounds just like Abby

Starting point is 00:44:30 And then there's other times You can see that visceral rage on her face And she's really making it her own as well So I like that contrast between the two So I think that is Yeah I have a little bit of a hot take I agree spider bump given what you just said in the chat though

Starting point is 00:44:43 I do agree with that spider pumping please what did you say There's a I think one of the superchats said it But I also agree I enjoy playing as Abby more I do an Ellie in this game I like Abby's out of the story more but I like Ellie in the first game more but I think it's ironic

Starting point is 00:45:03 you know both of these journeys start from a selfless place and then Abby's stories in the second half is more of a selfless journey and I appreciate that and I like the way the inner plays with the things that have already been teased yeah that's fair I love playing as both let's see here different play styles like punching things as Abby well yeah you're more brooding it's almost

Starting point is 00:45:26 like you're like troll in the first game with that. So in the chat Nick, Spider Pumpkin says everyone has an opinion in game version of the character was done better in their opinion. There's nothing wrong with the thinking of that. Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with thinking that. Nick Bethel, yeah, I kind of agree.

Starting point is 00:45:42 And that's the thing. Even if you're not better than the video game, it doesn't equate to you being bad then. It doesn't equate to the performance being bad, even if it's not better then. Like what the whole show was in Tidelia. And I was asking

Starting point is 00:45:57 her, you know, are there any books movies that live up to the book? And she'd read so many books. And she's like, no. Maybe Lord of the Rings was the answer. But outside of that, no. So it's very fucking common. When you're doing an adaptation, the thing, though, is that when you're doing an adaptation of a game,

Starting point is 00:46:13 it's literally like a big, a game is already meant to look very cinematic. So it's much easier, I think, to do a comparison. Yeah. Right. I think that's what these Disney live actions, there's more problems than just that. But I think what a lot of these two live actions run into. Like, I didn't see, I don't remember

Starting point is 00:46:29 Lee Low Wind Stitch, the animated movie. And then I watched the live action, I was like, yeah, it's fine. And then I see this, like, uproar about a change they made. I'm like, yeah, it didn't bother me when I watched the movie because I don't remember the animated movie. Yeah, I don't know. I look forward to watching the new one, because I like the old one for what it was. But, yeah, I mean, I like, I just generally like to have a lot of heart.

Starting point is 00:46:52 But yeah, if it's the same story, I'm with it. You got some love in here, Aaron. A lot of people are green. The Abbey R.X. better. It's more fun. It's badass. And it gives you a reason to hope again. You know, it's, and I'm trying to be careful with my words because John is off in the corner.

Starting point is 00:47:10 I don't want to ruin anything before it comes up. But I think that the journey that we are about to see unfold is a lot more intriguing and has a lot of lore, but also has a lot of character growth. or for like we're like every story is an evolution whereas ellies is a dissent and i like watching those two stories come to head yeah for sure for sure for sure for sure for sure for sure for sure for sure for sure for sure thank you guys Tara and john will be hopping on here in just a few minutes so we're uh let's do this quick air andrew yes dino gonzalez thank you is saying uh i love the second season but not the part two game the uh the small changes just made the story make more sense for me. Well, also, will there be a new game? Do you think there'll be a new game?

Starting point is 00:47:58 I do. I do. I do. So right now they're making us intergalactic. Intertick intergalactic profit? Yes. And there has been an, well, not an announcement. What if it was a secret sequel to last of us? Like, you find out this is way in the future. And this has something to do with, like, we had to get off of the earth because of the cortisept problems. So then they had to find a way to a different planet. What if it's actually connected to the last of us? You know what's funny i was thinking of connection a different way i think they're like what if they're doing like a buzz light year thing where it's like the heretic game is based off of the comic valley's reading i like that more andrew what's the real answer no i mean look it could obviously be another uncharted game or it could

Starting point is 00:48:38 be another last of us but i i think we got to continue ellie's journey and obviously with abby and another character who i don't want to spoil for john over there but i think that is the answer and also that's going obviously going to create more seasons for the television show. I mean, if we're really doing this every two years type of thing because we got another two more parts here, I think that's going to give them enough time to have more story to do however many parts they need to do for for the third game. But there is a, and they didn't announce it, but Neil Druckman did say they are working on another game on top of Intergalactic. He obviously did not say what or we'd be talking about it right now. But I have my suspicions that that

Starting point is 00:49:19 is going to be last of us part three thousand percent man um let's see here jane yes thank you uh john covered your ears for a second i want to say something he's got headphones for just this specific occasion um show ellie isn't a match for abby at all okay someone earlier was making a sarcastic mean comment about how uh they skinned up abby to take on ellie So in the finale of the game, when Ellie and Abby fight, part of the tragedy is of what I think preys into the conflict is when you see Abby is this frail, dehydrated, malnourished, gaunt figure. That contrast is like, oh, fuck, Ellie, no, let her, just let her go.

Starting point is 00:50:17 you know and I just don't feel like you would have the same impact because she's not a fucking buff ass person honestly I think that's part of it is like that like literally Ellie Ellie's part of Ellie is of

Starting point is 00:50:33 I think what the show misses out on in terms of action and violence is showing the two different types of fighters and violence that they have to do where where Ellie has to use body weight speed agility be more creative where Abby's kind of just a fucking bulldozer

Starting point is 00:50:50 But Abby's stripped of that When it's time for her to fight Ellie And it makes the choice of that Feel a little bit more ugly When she's like, no, I'm not going to let you go I know you just been tied up here But I'm gonna kick your ass now You know

Starting point is 00:51:04 Well, I feel like Yes and I feel like a lot of that was A gameplay mechanic But I feel like Abby can still As Isaac was saying in the episode She's like the hope for the wolf So I feel like she's going to be very competent and proficient in her skill set as far as, you know, physical combat goes. I feel like the comment that Jena is saying is still going to be accurate.

Starting point is 00:51:29 But to speak to what you're talking about with, you know, that battle between the two of them. I feel like, look over the side. I'm like, is he listening? No, he's good. But to speak to that battle, I think that there are other ways to showcase that. but I feel like some of the impact will be mitigated. But, you know, you bruise her up, you cut her hair, you show her on that pole by the beach.

Starting point is 00:51:54 I feel like it's still going to hit. But, yeah, the contrast is what makes it hit even harder. Yeah, I mean, she wasn't really not going to the finale fight, but just the fight in the theater. She really wasn't a match for her there. I mean, granted that she had weapons so that she was firing at Ellie, but Ellie had to be crafty and start throwing weapons at her to pee a match in that fight, but we'll have to see what they do.

Starting point is 00:52:14 All right. We got to get to our. We got to get through before we have to move on. Chris Guadalupe. Thank you. Playing second game. I've always been team Abby. I'm in the minority.

Starting point is 00:52:26 I'm confused why. Abby is the only true hero in this story. I mean, there is an alternate reality where 100% Abby is not doing anything wrong. Seriously. It really is. That is the reality of it is if you don't. show L if you never had shown Ellie and Joel's perspective and you only showed hers there is nothing really villainous about what she is doing yeah but the thing goes back to what

Starting point is 00:52:55 Gail was saying in season two is like it's not what you did it's how you did it which is what makes it so yeah vindictive now I think that yeah I think it's going to come across as as really well once we see it in action I lost much I thought it happens. Yeah, I was just going to say, too, it's fascinating because obviously we know that Joel was, you know, protecting his daughter at the hospital scene, but a lot of people, too, bring up the fact, which I find fascinating as well, and kind of agreeable as well, in terms of Jerry, Abby's father, he did bring up a knife to Joel's face, like, to say no.

Starting point is 00:53:35 So, like, you know, it wasn't totally unarmed in that situation, too. So, you know, it's all about perspective. And then obviously we know the cycle continues. Sorry, go ahead. No, you're good. I remember. Do you guys think we'll see an episode to really hone in on Jerry Anderson, why he was so likable? I would like that.

Starting point is 00:53:51 I would like that equivalent of the catcher episode. I would like that. Can you wait outside for a couple minutes? We had a lot of delays. Sorry about that. I would really like that a lot just so we feel that connection more and get, again, get a little more of that parallel that we got. Obviously, we're not going to feel as much like we did with Joel and Ellie because we spent so much time with them. But I would like to feel a little bit of that parallel between Jerry and Abby and why she feels, besides,

Starting point is 00:54:14 It's the fact that it's her father, but feel that connection between the two of them. I would like that personally. All right. Let's see here. As Jessica Samantha Craig says, hey, I just bought the first game. No one, the show hurt or up the experience. That's a good question. I don't know the answer because I played the game first, but.

Starting point is 00:54:34 I feel like it would help the experience because, you know, it's a thing of watching the show versus reading the book. And when you're reading the book, it's only an expansive. of experience on what you actually witnessed. So I feel like it's only going to enhance it because, you know, you're playing the game version of the show you watch rather than, you know, watching the show version of the game you play.

Starting point is 00:54:55 It fills in the gaps. Yeah. Solid Boss 7. Thank you, my friend. They're saying, home only fix this. It's really nice having an after show to watch each week after watching the show. So thanks for media uploads on them. Also enjoy the podcast with Roxanne and Greg.

Starting point is 00:55:12 Well, you're in luck. because Roxy is filling in for a coi this week on the Real Rejects podcast. She's been harassing, abusive. She has set me death threats. And I said, well, if you introduce me to Harrison Ford, maybe. And she did. And because of that, now she gets to come on the show.

Starting point is 00:55:32 And thank you for watching every week. That's super kind of you. Leah, TLOU is my favorite game. And while I have my issues with the season two, I also understand it's very hard to bring with life Overall, I like season two. What was your favorite scene from season two? For me, my favorite scene is the porch scene with Ellie and Joel.

Starting point is 00:55:53 That is such a hard. I saw online that people were, you know, I'll try to make this two o'clock. Let's make this answer to 202. I saw online that some people were not happy. They thought that like they should have reserved that. I disagree. I thought they did an excellent job. with that and I thought it hit harder to it a different way hit in a different way but it

Starting point is 00:56:18 I mean if you guys watched the reaction it fucked me up so yeah you needed a hug yeah I thought that was a brilliant brilliant performed scene and so much of what the show is is about and I think if you're going to take a break full heartedly from Ellie's experience then yeah uh showing that scene early on I thought it was great and uh Andrew please I would say for me was the scene in that same episode where they're in the spaceship just because we know that's something Ellie loves and the resources that Joel had to do to find that and also too like yes we know he spent so much time with Ellie in the past but seeing that look on her face it's almost like again Ellie could never replace Sarah but still it's almost like he had his daughter back in that

Starting point is 00:57:03 moment yeah but even having you know Ellie but also too seeing the Bella Ramsey's facial expressions for emoting how excited she was like in a world full of of shittiness and chaos post-apocalyptic times like just being such an endearing and happy tender moment like that I thought it was just so beautifully acted and executed by both of them and really

Starting point is 00:57:24 captured the moment from the game in such a perfect way I think that would be my favorite scene yeah I think the the port scene and the take on me scene are my favorites and that's a good one to fill me with so much joy and then watching Isabella Marsed act

Starting point is 00:57:40 against Bella Ramsey and the Dina fall in love with real time was just so piqued for me. Also before we wrap up I want to say shout out to Alexis who I met at the Regal who was working there. You were freaking awesome. And you also had an Ellie tattoo on his arm. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:56 Awesome. Awesome. That guys. Freaking awesome. And shout out to the guy who recognizes us and watch a lot of those reactions at my uncle's memorial. Absolutely. That's great. I'm at that memorial. It was good. um i see um my big thank you i yeah my biggest cry with the season is overly explaining why what

Starting point is 00:58:18 joel did was bad but then softens down ellie's actions being just as bad for revenge yeah i i pointed that out right yeah they did it like so many times like here's what joel did here's why it's bad what joel did he's kept laying it out uh repetitively and and rather than letting the theme unfold it was kind of like really just putting all the recipes out in front of you then they're showing you how they're assembling the dish

Starting point is 00:58:50 you feel like they're hand holding I think they were hand holding the themes I get it we got a two year still love it though yeah I get it we got a two year gap so it's not like the video game where you get to get to that moment later on but explain it to us one time two if need be but you don't need to do it five or six

Starting point is 00:59:06 times we get it all right guys we do see there's some questions here but we have to move on to the next people. John, can you grab Tara? Roxy will be showing up a little bit later. I'm going to be off here to decide to make sure no one's being a jerk. And, yeah, thank you both. Sorry for all the fucking conundrums that we kept running into with this stream today.

Starting point is 00:59:27 Really sorry about that. It's Aaron's fault. It's fine. When we have the new office, it's going to be, it'll be much smoother, different quality. And we're going to have like the crazy fast internet as well. And I think you guys are going to really love it. We're going to try to go in there in the middle of June. It's going to be a little bit harder.

Starting point is 00:59:47 There's a lot going on. But we want to do more live streams and such because they're a big part of it. I like connecting with you guys, and we all do. And, you know, especially for guys like Andrew and Aaron, they don't really do the live streams. They don't really get to do this side of real rejects. And I want everyone here to feel like they can really be a part of it more than just myself, Koi, and John. We want, especially you two, and Roxy and, Tara to also be a big part of that. So thank you both for being here. Thanks for being

Starting point is 01:00:15 patient. You know, there was a lot of stress when you walked in the door and I got progressively angry. Your rest of this reaction went on. Thank you guys. Thank you. We'll just stall a little bit until where, I don't know where they went. I said, can you step outside for a second? And I, what are there? John and Tara, right? Don't retract that comment. All right. You guys step out. All right. Thank you, guys. You can fuck right off. Hey, welcome.

Starting point is 01:00:46 All right. Can you guys, do you mind exiting frame? Yep. Stepping out frame. Thanks, guys. Love you. Most sense for John, why don't you be in the center right now? Tara off to the left.

Starting point is 01:00:58 And then when it's time for when Roxy gets here, John can take my spot. That's fine. Sweet, sweet. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do. No, I'm going to be here to make sure you guys aren't being jerks with them. I'll be on the lookout. And if there is, I'll step in. Thank you guys.

Starting point is 01:01:22 Thank you guys. We're not going to tap. The spoiler people are the ones for the, you know, the gamers do the spoiler reaction. Someone just said Tara LMAO. Oh, because you heard me come in and yell, right? All right. All right. So John's been holding down the stream a bunch.

Starting point is 01:01:40 Doing my best. It's been a rodeo. So can we scooch closer to each other? And then I'm going to move this here so that way I can have a spot. Yay, everyone. Welcome John and Tara, our blind reactors. I'm only going to be here until Roxy shows up. But how are you feeling, Tara?

Starting point is 01:02:04 Oh, I'm good. I got my ring-the-bell shirt. I was eating a couple of baby carrots in the car. and then I started to choke. So I've been coughing for the last 10 minutes. But you know what? Sat down. I'm good.

Starting point is 01:02:16 Yay. Look how happy people are to see you, Tara. People are so happy. Everyone leave a like on this video for John and Tara. How are you recovering now that you don't get to say, ring the bell in the intro. Oh, right. I say it in the reviews.

Starting point is 01:02:29 Hopefully you guys read the emails. It's been okay. I hope people have been reading the emails. I did. It was just saying it's like a staple of the intro. It's true. Ring the bell That's what I wanted

Starting point is 01:02:42 There you go It's for your live It's for the live Let me make sure something here Go it for the live Because we have some Hold on a second There are some super chat

Starting point is 01:02:54 Streamlabs that came in And I want to make sure They're not spoilery Thank you for supporting everywhere Including the stream Y'all so nice Aw and thank you for the love

Starting point is 01:03:06 We enjoy blind reacting to this show. It's been quite a journey. It really has. It's been quite a rodeo. All right. I don't feel like this is I feel like I don't think this is spoilery. So let me try to pull this up. So John, I go to here.

Starting point is 01:03:22 Right? Okay. And then I punch this bad boy in. We'll reset all this. All right. Hold on a second. Hold on everyone. Boo-yeshika One of them is five hundred

Starting point is 01:03:41 One of them is five Let's just read these really quick All right So let me adjust a couple things For aesthetic purposes, everyone You're somebody's spirit animal, John Oh, thanks Yeah, that's sweet

Starting point is 01:03:58 Hey Reggie Wilson Good tasting guitars as well This is only going to be temporary The Warlock Yeah, it's a cool guitar I have a carving guitar which is no longer in production. Mike, thank you for the stream lab.

Starting point is 01:04:13 Mike saying, hey, gang, I think they should have had eight episodes this season, have episode seven end with Ellie over Owen and Mel's body. Episode eight starts, and we get the theater of confrontation with Abby, and then her backstory on day three. I think that would help maintain interest in season three. What did you think, Tara and John?

Starting point is 01:04:33 Do you think they should have... I talked to Roxy, since she's not here, I'll give her answer. said that she's glad they showed Abby because it will give her time to prepare for knowing that she'll be part of season whatever three that'll be her focus but how did you guys feel when you said

Starting point is 01:04:50 I haven't seen your guys' reaction yet it definitely seemed clear that that's what they were yeah it definitely seemed clear that that's what they're telling us is yeah well get ready next season we're going to see all from Abby's perspective I'm not sure if I would want it to be

Starting point is 01:05:06 like I mean I can see the The scene with Mel, is that her name, was very striking and was one of my favorite sort of messed up nuance moments. And I mean, I'm sure it would make for an interesting tonal send-off to the episode. But if you had a complete other episode doing like the start of day one in Seattle with Abby, I feel like, I feel like we got as much as we need. Because it just tells you, okay, next season we're going to come. back and we're going to see this whole perspective. And I feel like if we started doing that at the end of season two in a substantial kind of way, I'd be like, well, why wait? Let's just make, why even wait for season three? True. What do you think, Tara? I feel like if they had done maybe 25 more minutes,

Starting point is 01:05:55 we see Abby, maybe see what happened there, the explanation of her going out into her life. And we cut maybe see like 10 minutes so that people really understand, like this is definitely where we're probably for all of season three. I don't know how long, though. Maybe. But I agree with you. It's like, we got what we needed. We made the assumption of like, oh, we get it.

Starting point is 01:06:20 We're going to be on Abby for the whole rest of the season. Who knows who else is going to pop up? I don't know how much more we needed. I'm with you and I'm also not. So, you know. We needed 50% less and more. Oh, thank you. Dan V-900 is asking.

Starting point is 01:06:36 It's a two-parter. I hope they go into production in June this year for season three. If not, waiting two years with the cliffhanger. Plus, Mason saying there will be a fourth season is frankly insane. Mason said they'd expanded season three where they can just do a longer season. Isabella Mercedes, she would film next year. And I played the game. I just don't get where they can just do everything in a 10 to 14 episode season.

Starting point is 01:07:00 It could have been a 12-episode season, and season three should have been filmed back-to-back. well I can't spoil for you guys of why this comment is here needless to say the game is excruciatingly long and no one likes playing it so long and I absolutely do think they could do two seasons I mean three more seasons I'd be okay with too but I think you could wrap it up in two seasons but as non-g gamers hearing that they are aiming for two more seasons

Starting point is 01:07:30 where do you think this is going Like, where do you, where would you imagine season three? What do you think the general structure for three might be and then what four might be? Like, what are your theories on that? Tara, you go first. Okay. Three, we're just going to, I guess we're going to take a long, freaking time to dive into Abby's life and see what's going on there. The lead up to her dad dying, us being on her side as so hard as we were on Pedro Pascal's side.

Starting point is 01:08:00 Like when he died, maybe with their writing and because they're going. good at bringing out of motion within the audience get us on her side maybe we're we're real man now that her dad died uh and then cut back to the maybe they'll end on a cliffhanger for three and then maybe we finally get to see the resolve with abby and l i don't know and then four would just be where l and abby are now currently all right that that's my guess yeah i mean i feel like it's a pretty solid guess. We do everything. We do the Roshaman up until the point where at least we get to Salt Lake City

Starting point is 01:08:36 and then fill in the gaps, the blanks. All right. We have, let's get a drum roll. Is here. Drum roll, please. LFG. Roxy will be here in about one to two minutes.

Starting point is 01:08:51 Sorry, Rox. I'm going to be sitting here. I've got to monitor spoilers. One second, John, we should have we should share headphone three together, John. We should. Yeah. So, Roxy, have that. Here you go. Okay.

Starting point is 01:09:09 Okay, so down from down here, I, let me get that question. Me move? Okay. All right. What was the question? Yes, season three, I think we'll give us that Roshaman following Abby up until at least the point of Salt Lake City. and then I think that season four will be the kind of back in the present

Starting point is 01:09:33 Ellie and Abby getting to know each other getting intimate falling in love who knows I have no idea but I have to imagine that yeah we're going to do a big Roshaman and then we're going to come back but I am even more interested soon enough to hear what Roxanne thinks let's ask Rossi the question in just a second let her get settled in people

Starting point is 01:09:55 let her do her rituals She's got red boots on. They're cool. She does. They're awesome. Musical chairs. And somebody asked in the chat, I do play games sometimes. I don't get chances too very often, but I haven't played these games, but I do like games. The only game I ever played was Left for Dead, y'all.

Starting point is 01:10:15 Back in the early 2000s, I got obsessed with it. And then I was like, I can't be having this Xbox in my house. It's not going to be good for me. Hey, everyone. Welcome, Roxy Stryer. I have literally no idea what we're doing, but I'm so happy. We're just answering questions, and I'm here to help make sure you don't get shit spoiled. About the last of us.

Starting point is 01:10:39 About the last of us here. You did tell me that, Tara. He said we're doing Last of Us. I'll backtrack here for just a second just to get. We both have red on. I know. That's why when I saw our boots, I was like, I'm going to be wearing those with my outfit. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:56 He's so cute. Andrew just told me that his favorite shirt of all the shirts that we've ever made, that any shop is ever sold as this shirt. Yeah. Well, it does have our shirt on me that we made together. And then he told me that he expects you to buy it for him for his birthday on July 11th, which is what we did I did do last year. He does.

Starting point is 01:11:13 Okay. People are chuffed that you've played Left for Dead. They like it. Oh, yeah. You guys remember, dude, I dressed up one Halloween. I loved it so much. I dressed up as the girl. I made the outfit.

Starting point is 01:11:26 and you know she's like a necklace a thing and i made like a pack and people were like who are you and only a few people got it at the time it was a long time ago long time i i need i need to find it i don't know if i took yeah i got to find it but yeah i love left for death all right um oh wait no really quick i wanted to get uh since you guys were answering this question um roxy i asked you the other day and they were asking a question similar here i asked you the other day about um how did you feel with seeing the Abbey ending and in season at the end of season two and you had you had said something to me about how you you like that because it prepares you where some people are feeling like they shouldn't have shown that you want to like kind of give your thoughts on that

Starting point is 01:12:12 yeah yeah well first of all I said two things to you about that number one is that I think variety is the the spice of life and in going from season one to season two we do didn't have Joel die end of season one start season two fresh so because we didn't do that what they did was episode two hit us with a huge bang which if if the game was ultimately going to end up with us going to abby's perspective i didn't want to see the exact same thing for season three where we don't get to that until episode two of season three it would have been too similar to what we just had with a big shock jesse's big death episode i still can't say it without feeling i would to punch somebody, episode two of

Starting point is 01:12:56 season three. So I feel like it was really important that they didn't just hit the same exact structure that we just had. But then also, yeah, I don't want to go into an entire season thinking that we're getting a show where we are watching Ellie's perspective

Starting point is 01:13:12 on revenge. She's going after revenge. And we've got our players which are Tommy, Jesse, Dina, Ellie, Maria, and then they're all against the wolves, essentially. Like, that's what we would have gone in thinking. And so I need a little bit of time.

Starting point is 01:13:27 I think it's way better that they did this. And you want to know what? People are going to be pissed about this. But while I'm on my soapbox monologing, Greg, your people, the gamers, you and your people, the gamer, the community, y'all are up on your high horse. It is so annoying talking to gamers, not you three.

Starting point is 01:13:48 But in general, they're like, the game did this bit. How could you even appreciate it? The show is sucking at its nose. nothing compared to the game and I'm like I can't stand you guys like just let me enjoy what I'm enjoying. I'm happy for you if you like the game better. That's awesome

Starting point is 01:14:02 it still exists but like can't I just enjoy the thing I'm enjoying? The gamers we didn't play the game. Apparently yeah but we didn't we didn't play there. We're not we're not the gamers so if you're going to come at us about the game you're hitting up to wrong people yo

Starting point is 01:14:19 okay yeah and every time they're like see they know nothing and it's like Yeah, because we didn't play the freaking game, you know? That's the point. We know nothing. We know nothing. That's what a blind reaction means, y'all, just in case. You guys forgot Tommy knew about Ellie.

Starting point is 01:14:36 Remember that. Oh, yeah, we did. We did overlook that Tommy already knew about Ellie. Yes. Yeah, but I started the video correcting that. Not one person talked about the fact that I was like, let me come clean about something. Everybody just, yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:49 Guys, you got to be easy. Give us a break. We're not perfect. Next season before every episode, I'm going to do a full series rewatch. Not just before the show itself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to do it before every episode. Every episode, yep.

Starting point is 01:15:03 All right. We had some super chats that had come in. Can you guys help us finish these off? LFG. Please feel free to send in more as well. Yeah, yeah, super chatty. Team Cabozles says, in my opinion, they should have made Abby's motivation a reveal. I think having that twist would get the audience to sympathize more than the

Starting point is 01:15:24 set up in episode one and two. Do you guys understand the question? Yeah. Yeah, I agree with this. Yeah. I agree with this take. I like the concept that they have laid out here, but it seems painfully clear from the start of the season

Starting point is 01:15:40 like, oh, the cycle of violence, where does it? And who is in the right, really? If this was all from Abby's perspective and we never met Joel and Ellie, we would be on her side. So I think it would have been way more striking to have it be like, damn, she killed Joel. And then get to the end of the season and find out,

Starting point is 01:15:58 oh, damn, Joel killed her dad, what? And then have that to ruminate on in the space, the inevitably long space there will be between the seasons two and three. I think it maybe would have made us maybe not hit as hard with Joel. We had already known that, that he went into Terminator mode, killed a bunch of people. I think it would have been fun to have the reveal. I don't know if you're saying it should have happened

Starting point is 01:16:21 in the beginning of season two or later. I think either way would have been put us a little bit more possibly on Abby's side in revealing that after all the crap went down. I would like to think it was pretty obvious regardless of them revealing it. This woman is gung-ho on murdering specifically Joel. Yeah. So we would have to think to ourselves either it was her dad, it was her sister who was one of the nurses. She was homies with Marlene. she was next in line to get the cure

Starting point is 01:16:54 was going to be the first they tested it out on like of course we would know there was some motivation with her energy going into it so I feel like there was no point in kind of saving that as a reveal you can spend time wondering what the motivation is though instead of going like oh super justifiable motivation and confirm I hear you I just I don't know that it would have made a difference

Starting point is 01:17:16 for me because I think that also there was just so much going on there's so many reveals and like I'm not a big TV person. I'm not a big fan of like twist, twist, twist, twist, twist, reveal, reveal. I kind of like, like, tell me what I'm working with. And then sometimes there's big shocking moments. Like, to me, Joel dying is the thing. It's not, but why'd she do it? Right. Like, I think why'd she do it is a big thing. Like sitting there getting to wonder it would have been. That's totally valid. It's just not how I feel. Yeah. No, it's fair. Yeah, I hear you. I'm just talking about it to me.

Starting point is 01:17:52 I think because that's what I think they're going to do with season three is because I think her reasoning, they're going to really give it to us deep so that we get really on Abby's side is my assumption. So we see it almost 50, 50 from both sides. I assume. I don't know. I'm still Ellie and Joel always. That's where my heart is.

Starting point is 01:18:13 But they can really mess with you in terms of the writing here because they're good at it. Yeah, I agree. I also think there's still so much more to learn. Like, why was her dad the only doctor who could have possibly done this? Why, how was he convinced to do this? What went into that? And, you know, when we jump back, we get Seattle day one. But just the same way that we got with Ellie,

Starting point is 01:18:38 I'm assuming we're going to probably get some flashbacks of Abby. Otherwise, we're only starting three days earlier. I'm guessing we're going to probably get some motivation flashbacks, scenes that have to do with before just the last three days. and I'm still really, really curious to learn what was their relationship like? Why did he decide to do this? What did she know about what he was doing?

Starting point is 01:18:59 I've always been really, really suss about the fact that we've heard that he was the only living person on the planet that could have possibly do this. So I am interested to know more about him regardless of when we learned. Yeah. Thank you. Clayton Crook is saying

Starting point is 01:19:16 just wanted to show some love and support to my favorite. I'm sorry for all difficulties today. What happened? We just could not get the first hour. The buffering and they had to restart the whole computer. It was just nonstop. So you guys are getting to be the smooth part of the live stream.

Starting point is 01:19:32 Yeah, we were the very clunky part of the live stream. But it happens. It happens. Thanks for the support. Let's see here. PheldaGry. Thank you for a very generous super chat. Terry, you want to read this one?

Starting point is 01:19:46 Sure. My favorite actor, actress this season was Isabella. Her rendition of Dina was, in my opinion, done much better than in the video game, and she gave an incredible amount of depth, agreed. I can't wait for the fight between Abby and Ellie. What do you guys think the fight between Abby and Ellie will be you go first, John? Jello in a kiddie pool. That's what I love to hear. Maybe some mud baths.

Starting point is 01:20:09 Yeah. That's why they weren't allowed to get buffed this scene. I don't know. I am almost expecting some subversion of expectations where, like, the fight, I got to imagine at that confrontation there will be the urge to fight, but I just have to imagine that they're also going to do some thing to make it so that, I don't know, I'm almost half expecting someone to come in, knock Ellie out, and then we'd do a bunch of it talking. Which would be fine. I'm not glad to therapy. Tara, what about you? What do you think the fight is going to ultimately be between Abby and Ellie?

Starting point is 01:20:43 Well, I initially think Dean is going to come in there, maybe shoot Abby, but not. It's a not killer. I don't know if she falls over. It's so funny if she just shot and kill her first episode season three. And that's it. We don't get anything else. And then, but then they, yeah, obviously a talk has to happen to where Abby is saying, even though El knows, she has to make it clear like, hey, you killed my dad. Now I'm going to kill you.

Starting point is 01:21:10 But now they're just going to be fighting about the same thing. Hey, you killed my dad too. Kill my dad, right? It's like, so I wonder how they're going to have that, that convo. I don't know how the fight is going to go down. It'd be fun to see them punch each other. But that's just me. I think that this question is specifically referencing from the gunshot on, right?

Starting point is 01:21:34 Like who, who, when we hear the gunshot, who did that, who was it at, and then what happens in the moments following? Is that your guys understanding of this? I think so. That's where I was thinking. I think that your call when we were watching and that you just reiterated now that the gunshots actually coming from Dina is probably what's happening what she's shooting at or who she shoots do I think that Dina just shot Abby point blank

Starting point is 01:21:58 and now Abby's gone? No, because that wouldn't be the best show but I think it does make a lot of sense that the shot is actually hers and that it was a misdirect while we're watching Abby point the gun and I would like to see that I would like to see if we are able to you know we have that big writing on the wall that says like there's a moral and everything you just have to find it and we heard the entire episode of Joel the whole point is you just have to do better than your parents did before you and let's not be let's not forget for a second here that as much as people are putting Abby's dad on a pedestal this motherfucker still was about to kill somebody without their knowledge that they were going to die he did not inform that patient and that That is against his oath.

Starting point is 01:22:46 Do no harm. Do no harm. So this is supposed to be the it doctor, but he did not ask her or tell her what his plan was here. Right. So I have questions about her dad as well, you know, like we're thinking about him as the Messiah, the Savior. But in this conversation, are Abby and Ellie going to be better than their parents, both who have clearly made mistakes of some sort varying degrees? I'll give you that. but neither whom are perfect

Starting point is 01:23:13 I don't think anybody in apocalyptic world is I don't think anybody in this world is so I would really like them I would love to know if they're going to be able to be better than their parents or at least one of them and we'll see yeah it's a great question you asked man

Starting point is 01:23:31 great question Raunuk John help me out here Rastra Ranax Zrestha yeah Zrestha Zresta? Well, um, hey, Tara, was Joel's death

Starting point is 01:23:45 narratively justified? That's so seriously. Listen. Yeah. Okay. Narratively, yes. Am I so mad about it? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:00 Could I think it could have they've written it another way or just not do that in the game? Yeah. I mean, people literally walked away from HBO. Oh, after episode two. I know three friends that stopped watching the show because they were so angry and they were like,

Starting point is 01:24:20 I'm not gonna support it. It was like, non-gamer friends? Non-gamer friends, non-gamer friends. So obviously they didn't play the game so they didn't know what's coming. They're just so torn up about it, which I get. But they did in the narrative,

Starting point is 01:24:34 obviously in the writing, they definitely justified it. Of course. I mean, it's Abby's dad and he went in like a turn. Terminator and shot everybody that she ever knew to death. So I get it. What about you?

Starting point is 01:24:48 Roxanne. Really quick, Roxy. So we had a thing where, because Roxy runs the entire social media. We had a thing beforehand. I was like, please don't post anything about Last of Us. And that was the main thing. I was trying to make sure we avoided was you getting spoiled about Joel's death. Did you suspect he would die?

Starting point is 01:25:09 No. Well, you mean like before the episode? Yeah. No, no. And I heard Koi said that he knew it was going to come and not because of anybody he had spoiled it for him, but just he was such a genius that he knew. And I called BS on that.

Starting point is 01:25:23 No way. Episode two. Give me a break, Koi. Koi was like, I was positive. I knew he was going to die after the first season. You have to know based on the story. And it was like, oh, my God, come on. Maybe he just really is the genius of the channel.

Starting point is 01:25:37 But no, I definitely didn't know. That's your question? No, I definitely didn't know. No, I was just asking it as a side thing. But did you feel his death was narratively justified? I have avoided having so many direct conversations with you guys because I'm like, I don't want to accidentally say something. But do you feel like it's narratively justified?

Starting point is 01:25:57 I don't think it's fair to answer the question until the end of the show. Like, because after it happened, after the end of episode two, we all know in this room minus Greg if you didn't watch ours that I did not think it was narratively justified I was like I don't think this makes for the best version of this show but I don't know because I don't know what the version of the show we're about to see is

Starting point is 01:26:19 so at that moment I didn't but I said it might be we have to wait and see by the end of season two I feel like it's more narratively justified than it was in episode two so that means they're building and they've gaining trust in me or I'm gaining I trust them more now because I think that

Starting point is 01:26:37 they're showing me why they're telling this story. And I think I won't know the answer to that until we see really what the message they're trying to send is and what the end of this show or game is. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I generally, I'm kind of with the two of you in different ways. It's like I feel like it's a great, really striking choice to make, and it leads to a lot of interesting narrative drama.

Starting point is 01:27:03 And then, I mean, yeah, it's their choice too in the show. show's version of events earn. But so far, I think they've made a lot of really great stuff out of it and my favorite, a lot of my favorite aspects of the season tie directly into that. So I would say yes. And I mean,

Starting point is 01:27:21 again, given what the story, I feel like this would be a harder question to answer if they hadn't given us so much Abby motivation. But given what we know, I feel like, yeah, it's probably narratively justified. Yeah, let's pop over to here for a second.

Starting point is 01:27:37 I'm monitoring the chat before letting you guys see stuff to be safe. Yeah, I hate not being able to see the live chat. Yeah, I'm trying. I just got to make sure you don't get stuff. There has been, like, future spoilers popping. Are we allowed to look at this, or you're checking it now with your eyes? From what I've seen, I don't see any spoilers here. I'm so blind that I can't even read.

Starting point is 01:27:55 I'll read some of them off. I just hear for spirit animal and because there it is. Did somebody say that? Rob, sorry. Joel's death is essential to the story they wanted to tell. I cannot fathom away that the story. would this story that this story works not that happening

Starting point is 01:28:11 I agree it seems like the story in a lot of ways Joel was a product of his newish environment let's not forget that he was a great dad when we first met him and his daughter Sarah and a gay brother Tommy oh yeah we know so I'll allow this for a little bit of a riff here then for you three the

Starting point is 01:28:28 part that the game does not give you at all is that whole thing with his dad Joel's father and I think that adds so much depth to Joel because like going off of this comment of being a practice environment a bigger part of the narrative is showing like no there's kind of like a generational anger and rage that that lurks in the Joel Miller family from Joel to Joel's dad and now Joel being dad and then

Starting point is 01:28:54 Tommy talking about wanting to break the cycle of violence so that's I don't think that's what this is talking about because it's saying Joel is a product of his newish environment a thousand percent and I I'm saying like do you guys agree with that because I would like well I feel like the show was actually showing that the newish environment breeded something that was already in Joel, is what I thought the show was saying. But what did you guys feel about now we got so much of Joel's backstory with his, like, dad and stuff? I'm trying to understand the comment still.

Starting point is 01:29:22 The newish environment is Jackson? The world post-infection. Oh, I understand. So is this person implying that what he did to save Ellie is part of being a product of this being a new? world? I think so. It would not be part of the implication there. Well, yeah, because this is a world in which having to kill people is more of a reality than before

Starting point is 01:29:45 everything fell. Yeah. And having to survive and be amid the elements and fight literally for yourself, forage for yourself. That's your new issue. Yeah, I was thinking about that John, because kind of like a roundabout way of answering this question, but I was thinking

Starting point is 01:30:01 about that last night as I re-watched the episode again, because you guys know I watch every episode twice, because you're I was trying to really, really, this show is just unbelievable to me. But it is crazy that we get desensitized to things based on our environment. And like, Ellie straight up walked in and she, for one reason or another, she murdered a man, a woman, and a baby that was not yet born. That's what happened.

Starting point is 01:30:27 And, like, if this was not an apocalyptic world, we'd be like, you can't just, like, come into a room and murder people. That's not chill girl. Well, she didn't want. But, right. But, like, in this world, I do find myself justifying so many different things. Same thing even with Abby. Like, she literally, Jesse walked into a room.

Starting point is 01:30:47 He heard noise. He walked into a room. She shot him and killed him. There was no, let me shoot you in the foot. There was no. He walked in the room. She killed him for walking in the room. She doesn't even know who Jesse is.

Starting point is 01:30:58 Well, to her, everyone who enters that doorway is a threat, I'm sure. That's what I'm saying. So we make excuses for the people in this world based on this world. And so specifically on this question about your newish environment, everybody's a product of this newish environment. So it just depends on how many excuses we want to make for people. But this is why Tara and I all year, whether it is right or wrong, have been Team Ellie because this conversation about community

Starting point is 01:31:28 and Joel being great and me thinking he is great, despite everybody saying he's a piece of shit online. And I, he's a, maybe he's a POS, we love. So. Yeah. I mean, it's like, and you saying, don't forget that he was a great dad when we first met him to his daughter, Sarah. It's like, yeah, I could, I could never forget. Yeah. And throw out the newish environment.

Starting point is 01:31:49 He's just a dad again operating to save his daughter. At the end of the day, he does not want his daughter, his newfound daughter in this newest environment, although I don't believe the environment even matters. I even think that even if there wasn't zombies and they were like, you're going to save cancer, he might still do the same thing. I don't know. He might find a way to be like, you're going to die.

Starting point is 01:32:13 It's fine if I end up in jail, but I saved my daughter. That's just what I think. I'm very quickly. I'm kind of in the camp where like I feel like it's, yeah, it's a little bit of both. It's like this is stuff that probably exists inside of him to begin with, but that has been brought to the forefront by this human environment. Kevin Mandevil, thank you for the super chat, wellness check for Roxy after last episode.

Starting point is 01:32:38 I imagine your thumbnail face was from the Jesse moment. Or they saw the social meal today. Yeah. Well, it's so funny because John and Greg are on my ass all the time about how I don't make facial expressions and a vote during reactions. No, this video I was like, I know exactly what moment to go to for react faces. I was laughing because I screamed at the top of my lungs. I've never done that before in 15 years of hosting

Starting point is 01:33:04 I've never ever raised my voice on air the way that I did in that moment. So I think and I didn't even realize I had said this guys but I went back and watched our reaction and earlier in the episode I think it's like 12 minutes in or something I said I swear to God if the show killed Jesse

Starting point is 01:33:21 I'm done. I'm done and like I don't know that Jesse had the same impact on the rest of the world that he didn't mean. I know you both really liked him. I thought Joseph was great. Yeah, everybody liked him. But, like, for some reason,

Starting point is 01:33:34 he was my favorite character. Yeah. So I can't believe that they did it to me again. Like, I just can't believe that I fell for this twice. Like, I would have thought I would have been safer loving Jesse than loving Abby or loving Dina. Because it felt like they were going to be in the, or Ellie, they're going to be in the line of fire. I was like, Jesse, we're chilling. So unwell and pissed.

Starting point is 01:33:58 And also, did I Google immediately after? after how many people survive gunshots to the head? Yes, I did. And there are percentage of people out. There's something to survive. It does happen. There's some. There's some.

Starting point is 01:34:11 I'm not saying he's going to, but I'm just saying the Dulu is real in me. Totally. I love that. Yeah, I think Jesse's better in the show than in the game, personally. Oh, yeah. Shout to your boy, young Mazina. Chris, everything.

Starting point is 01:34:26 Guadalupe, thank you, says, I know you all don't want Abby's story. I played the game. Please go in with an open Maya for season three. Trust me, you'll come around on her story. So, yeah, let's go down the table here. Are you guys actually looking forward to, or is it something that you feel like you're going to watch

Starting point is 01:34:45 because you have to watch it for Last of Us three, of knowing that it's going to be focused on Abby's Seattle day one and so on. Are you actually looking forward to that? Or are you like, yeah, I'll do the, this is a pretty, doesn't feel like homework. It doesn't feel like homework. I would say this. It's not that I don't want Abby's story. I certainly am interested in her story and I'm looking forward to forming a real association with the character because I think especially due to what I know about the physical change in appearance. I feel like the physical appearance of Abby being jacked in the game

Starting point is 01:35:21 gives you a lot to go off of immediately, just kind of on site. Whereas right now Abby is just a lady in the military to me. So, like, I'm waiting for some meat on that bone, and I think Caitlin Deaver is a fine actor from what I've seen, but I don't really think anything they have done so far as given her, like, a real chance to stretch those legs and show me why she's such a momentous character on such a momentous show.

Starting point is 01:35:49 I fully expect... Oh, really? I didn't realize that. I think her... I'm shocked by hearing you say this, John, because you're the one who likes her. I love Caitlin Devere, but you're the one who likes Abby the most of all three of us. I understand Abby because the show is making it clear what her motivation is. And I get her position. And it's very easy to be like, logically, I get her position.

Starting point is 01:36:09 But I want to like have a bond or association with the character that isn't just, you know, again, her in the midst of a violent, angry situation or something like that. And I mean, I have an open mind. I think it ties into the thing before. I would actually be more intrigued if I'm like, this character I've hated who'd killed Joel and I don't know why is all of a sudden going to be who we're about to follow for a season?

Starting point is 01:36:35 Like, fascinating. Tell me more. So, you know, I think it's a, as they have drawn it here, it's a fine hook and I'm interested to see what happened. I have a lot of trust in the show, simply if it's the same team, same writers. I trust them to pull out the same emotion and, like, gravitational pull,

Starting point is 01:36:57 of everyone towards this show as they will in season three which means if they go and do their job people who me not on Abby's side I hate I want them to get in a fist fight and Ellie to win and Dina

Starting point is 01:37:13 also to punch her and for them to be like you freaking suck like what's your problem you were hunting us for five years and then you had to kill my dad in front of me screw you but because of what the team has already done with two seasons,

Starting point is 01:37:30 they'll get me on Abby's side that it'll be an emotional pull of, okay, I see why Abby is the way that she is. And listen, if somebody came from me or my family, you guys always, you know what I say. I'm like, oh, I become now the problem because there's something in me that goes from zero to 60. It's a tiny hole that I look through. And nothing else can come to be like, don't do this.

Starting point is 01:37:56 It's now I'm the problem. So I also understand Abby's perspective. You come from me or the people I care about. I'm going to come for you and I become a liability. That's it. You know what scene actually got me the most excited to go through Abby's journey

Starting point is 01:38:12 is the Isaac scene that we see in this episode as he's talking about Abby being the next Jesse of their community. When I started to think about, okay so Abby's being trained to take over the wolves the same way that Jesse's being trained to take Maria's seat in Jackson which means that they obviously the show has tried to draw so many comparisons between Ellie and Abby but really the positions that they're in are Jesse and Abby they're doing

Starting point is 01:38:44 the same thing in different places and so I have to believe from what we've seen from Abby she's been super duper aggressive right we saw her outside of the her father's grave site we saw her her with the actual Joel death scene we see here just shoot the love of my life young as you know Jesse so in all these things she's been so aggressive but Isaac is so gung-ho and set on her being

Starting point is 01:39:07 the leader of the wolves that I have to think there's a lot more to her than we have seen which would make her a good leader because if you remember Isaac's the one who murdered his entire crew Isaac's the one who was like boom blown up except for one

Starting point is 01:39:23 homie who didn't know what a voter was and he's Baird him. So, like, what is it that Isaac sees an Abby? What is it that they all see in Abby? Why is she so equipped to be a leader? And so nothing about what we've seen from Abby so far. He's gotten me excited for next season at all. But hearing Isaac talk about Abby, I was like, I'm intrigued. Why are you down with this girl so hard? Yeah. You know, what's interesting is you don't actually get a lot. That whole thing is made, is integrated or made up for the show that you just pointed out about Isaac. Isaac's scene. What's the woman that he's talking to his name? I think she's a new character. She's actually a new character in the show. I forget who it is.

Starting point is 01:40:04 Isaac also is played by Jeffrey Wright in the actual video game. And so he got a chance to reprise the role and it's crazy because he looks so old in the video game but it looks like surprising. There's a lot of like a lot of the Isaac scenes that you got here are not in the actual game. You don't really see that until you're in Abby's point of

Starting point is 01:40:21 you. So they actually showed you a lot more of Isaac than you get at all. In the game, when you're in Ellie's story, everything is from Ellie's point of view. You never break away to someone else's POB. And same thing with Abby, but here the show obviously will cut around to

Starting point is 01:40:37 different point of view as a perspective. I think that's really smart because, again, I don't need to be a gamer to enjoy a TV show. It's a bad TV show if you had to have played the game in order to watch it. So I think that it's really smart that they're making adjustments that make sense for TV fans. And having that

Starting point is 01:40:53 drop from Isaac about her, just made me, it's the only thing that's made me interested in her. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, on that note, Noah Bell, Turner, thank you for the question, says, you guys have any interest in finding out what was changed between the game and the show at some point, assuming you don't know any changes already. I mean, I could spit all fun facts for you guys off the top of my head if you want. I wouldn't want to know until the very, very

Starting point is 01:41:17 end of the show, because I don't want something, if I'm still doing blind reactions and you tell me something that happened in the beginning of the game or the season two of the game, then I might already my brain might go, I already know what's going to happen. Maybe? It depends. Okay. Joel dies.

Starting point is 01:41:37 You can't get any worse than that. What I say about the difference is the show, the game is so much colder and meaner. Like when Joel dies in the game, you have no idea why Abby's doing what she's doing. The second Abby says something, Joel interrupts and says, whatever speech he got prepared just get us over it's like he's pretty much just says like don't talk just do it yeah yeah yeah that's jol mean and cold they spit on joel's dead body so so this show hugs you more

Starting point is 01:42:06 than than it and you might not feel that as a blind reactor i do not feel that way but as a game like in the game when joel that's awful in the game when joel dies manny spits on joel's body and then as ellie's like i'll fucking kill you joel knocks her out joel uh Manny knocks Ellie out. And the show, Ellie crawls over, hugs him. Like, Joel's being a death of the golf clubs. That's what I mean by it hugs you a little more. But I wonder, I'm super curious, somebody who watches the show first and then plays the game.

Starting point is 01:42:37 Yeah. Because everybody keeps saying that. The show's coddling and coddling. But also, you guys know what happens. A thousand percent. So, of course you're going to feel like that. But, like, I also wonder if this makes it actually more difficult in some ways. Because if you're just looking at somebody spit on them, like, just be that.

Starting point is 01:42:55 that cold, I might dissociate, not connect. Also, if you're playing in the position of somebody, it might feel different, or I might feel the exact same way that you did. I don't know. But I am so curious, I haven't talked to one person who watched this and then goes to play, and I would love to hear, like, that's something I would be interested in when we're done. I don't play video games, but like you tear, I don't want to do it until everything's all over and wrapped, but I would be so curious and at least watching the scenes then, the cutscenes then,

Starting point is 01:43:21 just to know, like, what is that like? Yeah. I'm interested. I mean, I've gotten bits of stray context based off of what we have seen in this show thus far, and I'm never really seeking it, and I'm certainly actively trying to avoid anything beyond where we are. I mean, I've picked up certain things, and I find that stuff interesting. So, yeah, I'm certainly, like, open to hearing what's been changed, because I know that

Starting point is 01:43:47 the experience of playing the game will be different, and you're also choosing along with the characters and stuff. One thing I will say is that I'm curious to know what the actual. scene in the game looks like with Joel because I'd have made that a lot more brutal. I'd have glend him my show. It's meaner. It felt like in the show that

Starting point is 01:44:06 they cut it off somewhere and we're like let's skip past this violence and get it done. Did you watch all of Walking Dead John? I fell off the train a little after Glenn got Glenn. Oh, okay. I would have glend him. Like I would have glend him. Which spinoff of Walking Dead is your favorite?

Starting point is 01:44:25 Rocky. None of the spinoffs. You don't like any of them? No, just none of them would be my favorite. I thought they were, I only watched a few of fear, and then I fell off of fear. They kill my favorite character in the first episode, so I was like, I'm not doing this again. And then

Starting point is 01:44:40 a little bit of the Michone one, what says Daryl's one, but I think the Walking Dead is just like by far and away. The best of them, in the good seasons. Which one's your favorite? Of the spin-off? Yeah. It's probably Daryl Dixon. Yeah, Daryl Dixon, I was surprised, surprised the hell out of me.

Starting point is 01:44:58 I really loved it. I didn't finish it. All right. Okay, let's move on here. Hips, he's farm. Is it, I'll get your pillow, Roxie. Is it too early to talking about spinoffs because I find the role fascinating, but grow tired of the VG versus adaptation, BS.

Starting point is 01:45:17 I just want good stories. Any characters here, you guys want a spinoff? Just to be clear, Greg, there are no spinoff games, right? I don't think so there's like expanded media like comics and shit but there's no yeah obviously Jesse and his girlfriend Jesse's been on show

Starting point is 01:45:35 that they did the two week love fest they had before she wouldn't leave I mean we already know the ending of that but like and also I know who can play her who you you think so you think so but are you kidding me think you're capable of living up to the mantle

Starting point is 01:45:51 of Jesse it's so rude do you think I'm I suppose you are. Oh, you is. I mean, I'm curious about what the prospect of spin-offs would be because it seems like the point would have to be to tell some kind of audacious story with whoever you spin-off. So they need to have like a really big idea.

Starting point is 01:46:15 But shortlist, I mean, yeah, Jesse spin-off, let's go. Nick Offerman spin-off. Oh, yeah. That's a great call, too. Just have like a whole slice of like. series, zombies show up once or twice a season, or infected, I should say, and then the rest of the time is with them living, picking strawberries, seeing scenes that we didn't get in that one episode.

Starting point is 01:46:35 You guys know the show Mythic Quest? I've been trying to get everybody to watch it. Nobody does. I'm so annoyed with the whole world. I've seen a few episodes from the first season. I'm obsessed with this show called Mythic Quest. I absolutely love it. It's a Rob McElarnie show, and it is so good about a game that is called Mythic Quest.

Starting point is 01:46:52 And it's like, if the office was a video game construction in place, like they make video games for, and it's an office workplace sitcom, it's so good. But they did a spin-off this year called SideQuest. And on SideQuest, it was four episodes, and each one had nothing to do with the show that we watch. It just is in the same world. And, like, there's, like, one kind of through line with it. Like, maybe it's the people who are playing orchestra for the show, or maybe it's some who just wanted the most recent copy of the show

Starting point is 01:47:25 and we follow four different every episode is a completely different scenario and I'd be really interested because I'm interested in the world that the last of us created and doing something like that where we just kind of see other places other people how they've been affected but not for a whole show

Starting point is 01:47:40 just like these one off do a short anthology exactly and I do agree it would be nice like as much as there is fun I find in the video game versus adaptation conversation. Like, it can after so many weeks become a bit overbearing. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:57 John, you're already my name's at the top of this. Shemir Kelly. Thank you so much for joining in for being so generous. Greg, you're off camera. But I wanted to know. I recently watched the first few diary of a Real Rejects podcast with your brother, John, and the

Starting point is 01:48:13 Media Nights. There's also a Roxy one. Well, that answers the next question. And those were great. Why did you stop shooting them? I've been more focused on some other stuff. We're growing out some other things. And John and I are also doing a, we're redoing it to Real Rejects Diaries. It's different, but I want to keep the interview series going.

Starting point is 01:48:31 There's a couple people I know I want to hit up. It's not done. It's just not the big focus. And it's more of like, yeah, you know, I'm in the mood. Let's give it again. It's been put back in the other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the one of Roxy went over really well.

Starting point is 01:48:46 I'm really happy about that response. I literally forced him to do that one. So that was like why he came back for the other. that one that is what happened there i have and then we got to have uh terra on for sure we got to have Aaron and Andrew on what he keeps saying you just have to force him the way that i did well yeah at the news at the new space we're going to have a podcast space there so we're going to be able to do more live scenes we'll also have fiber internet so we won't have this buffering shit that we're having right that's great yeah it's going to be a totally different ball game the rocks is

Starting point is 01:49:14 going to love it because of where it's located uh shay markell terra so far Tara so far Tara Your bloodthirst was hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, I'm very angry. There was parts where I looked at our reaction. I was like, wow, okay, girl, let's get it. Yeah, I was going to say more. Tara, I think deep down you have a secret wealth of rage.

Starting point is 01:49:40 Oh, I absolutely do. I don't think it's that deep down. I think you should get Jack and the Abby next season. It can really get as quick. Like, do something real bad, and I'm, I'm, I'm raging. I want you to get jacked. I want you to hit the gym, beat those arms up. Me too.

Starting point is 01:49:58 There you go. Ooh, that would be like a real threat. Yeah. Oh, God, not the shoulders, John. No. With the arms, yes. Shea Markell is also, my God, load. No.

Starting point is 01:50:10 Oh, no. We have run into a conundrum here. What? What? Can we not go back up? No, we can't. What are you talking about? We got to go the old-fashioned way, I guess.

Starting point is 01:50:19 One sec. No, I just got to get the show. We just need more to come in. Shea Markell saying Jackson is screwed without Jesse. Who's the next America going to be? Seth. Yeah, Seth's spin-off. That's who I forgot to mention the other question.

Starting point is 01:50:35 I mean, Maria is pretty young and has a kid. She is capable. Is she capable of her long enough until her kid to be 25? Probably. But also, Dina, I think. is a very, very smart, capable person. Also, there's a 100, 200 people in that town more, one of them. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:50:59 Totally. I think it should be Gail. Not Gail, not Seth. Some fun differences. Seth in the game only has the scene at the dance. And also, when he gives the sandwiches, apologizes to Ellie. That's in the game. Who gives them all the stuff for their journey?

Starting point is 01:51:18 No one. That is very different in the game. In the game, they wait. I don't want to know, actually. Don't tell me. Oh, okay. It's not, I don't think it changes any context. Yeah, I don't know that one.

Starting point is 01:51:30 If you don't want to know, I will not, I will not force it in. Let me see if I can get, okay. You guys look away from the screen for one second. Sure. There's one, there's a couple of spoilers in here, so I'm trying to make sure I can skip. I need a bubbly water. I grab that. All right.

Starting point is 01:51:49 Okay, here we go. Oh, you need bubbly? So badly something. All right. It's so hot in here. I'm never. Roxy's body temperature is never conforming to what it needs to be. It's not either it's always too cold or it's too hot.

Starting point is 01:52:01 95% of the time it's too cold and I'm freezing. I mean, can you take your jacket off? It's a little scandy. Turn that fan off. Because Tara hates the fan. No, I don't care. You turn on. She hates the fan.

Starting point is 01:52:13 I know she hates the fan because I know Tara. We're not turning the van. Well, does she just hate the fan or does she only hate the fan? when it's clearly cold enough. She's the fan because of her hair. She doesn't like the fan. No, I don't mind. You could turn it on, though.

Starting point is 01:52:24 But I know you don't like it. Why would I do that? I won't mind it right now. I swear to God. All right. Shea Markell is saying, I'm showing my friend, the relative cut scenes after each episode. So far, she favors the game scenes besides Tommy's changes. I want to know your guys' opinion on Tommy.

Starting point is 01:52:42 I won't spoil anything other than we have gotten way more Tommy than we ever got in the game. So, like, how do you guys feel about Gabriel Luna? Do you guys connect with Tommy? Tara? You guys go, one at a time? She favors the game scenes besides Tommy's. Do not pull up the regular comments while I'm going to grab a public. What I gather is there's more Tommy.

Starting point is 01:53:07 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, don't you go get it because you don't know which one I want. There's a whole thing. What is it? Better be orange cream or she's going to throw a bit. what is what's left because I maybe don't go if it's mango I don't want it

Starting point is 01:53:23 I don't want it I don't think he knows I have I would you I have a Topo Chico on hand if you want to just blame yeah but let's see what he brings back let's see what he does and maybe I'll do this and just like I I kind of like in you saying

Starting point is 01:53:37 that Shay it makes me a little bit want to very much want to watch the cut scenes yeah we will this is much better than the fan going on They're all going to agree. We'll get more tips now. Well, we haven't even, nobody even socialed out that we were going live.

Starting point is 01:53:55 Yes, we did. On Instagram? I looked and nothing was that. We did that after the fact because there were way too many crises. So it is on Instagram? Yes. Wait, Greg, while you're there, I'm handing my phone. I want to just make sure.

Starting point is 01:54:07 Claim for more, please, please, please, please. Ooh, yes, that water, what is it? Peach. Nope, that other one. Yep, thank you. Love raspberry. Thanks, Greg. I mean, I don't really know.

Starting point is 01:54:19 I already said I would have liked I would have liked to see the cutscenes. I don't really have much more to say than what I just said. I mean, I like watching Gabriel Luna a lot. I like his presence. I'm glad that there's more of him. I connect pretty well to him and I

Starting point is 01:54:35 like him and Joel. And you brought up that scene in the past with their father. That was one of my favorite scenes in the show and the guy who plays their father made a huge impact, but also that scene spoke a lot to just like the vibes that they've been embodying, and certainly Gabriel Luna has been embodying with

Starting point is 01:54:51 his presence, his relationship to Joel, all that stuff. So I love him. I think that... Sorry. Do you want to go? I'm going to say this really quick. Daniel Rami, we see your super chat. We want to acknowledge it. There is a spoiler in there, so I can't show it to them. And I will rephrase your question for

Starting point is 01:55:07 them in a sec. We just want to show you out, Daniel Rahimi, before I forget. I think that Tommy is pretty problematic for Ellie, actually, because I love Tommy. He's very similar to Joel, Joel, who is also problematic for Ellie. And when we get that moment at the end

Starting point is 01:55:25 in the auditorium of this episode, and you can see the juxtaposition of somebody like Jesse and somebody like Tommy and what they say to her. And what Tommy says to her is they all had a hand in Joel's death, so I understand what you did and you got to let it go for yourself,

Starting point is 01:55:40 but no worries, kiddo. And what Jesse says is, when they you don't understand community how dare you go do this why don't you go up to the person who's alive and I feel like Jesse actually confronts and steps to Ellie and whether it sinks in the moment or not

Starting point is 01:55:57 he does go like head to head with her Tommy he doesn't have as much to be precious about Tommy is like feels bad for her and her position and I think he just wants to make her feel better all the time and I think that that can be an issue even though I love his character

Starting point is 01:56:14 I'm glad he's on the show. All right. Really quick. We've got some stream labs over here. Let's go. Let's go. Mike Joyce is saying, I feel bad for Bella Ramsey. She's great, but she's been overshadowed by Pedro, Isabella, and now Caitlin Devere in her own show.

Starting point is 01:56:33 So, yeah, you guys haven't played the game. So as non-gamers, what is your response to a comment like? What is your personal point of view? Do you feel like there's truth to? this or not? Bella Ramsey's pronouns are they there? Sorry, yeah. You could probably read it here. I can read it better there.

Starting point is 01:56:52 Oh, really? That's one. So anyway, just for it. Yeah, Bella they are great, but they've been overshadowed by Pedro, Isabella, and now Caitlin Devere in their own show. I so disagree with this comment. I love Mike Joyce, but he said it before

Starting point is 01:57:08 to me. I so disagree with this comment. I think that Bella, like I think everybody on this show is amazing. I don't think there's one bad performance on the show and I think that sometimes people get stuck in like the role versus the performer I think that Bella is doing everything to leave their entire heart out on the floor

Starting point is 01:57:27 every single scene every time you guys watch Bella's the after scenes with Bella the boat stuff they had to be in a wetsuit for like entire days it's pitch blackout like it's such a challenging role I don't think anybody, anybody overshadows Bella at all, even though everybody's amazing.

Starting point is 01:57:48 Yeah. I agree. I mean, yeah, I think she gives a, they give a terrific performance. The only thing I wish is that I bought the time jump a little bit more, but. Because how old does Ellie seem to you? 15, 16. Really? Okay.

Starting point is 01:58:07 She doesn't seem like a 19 year old. She does not seem 19 to you. No. And I mean, like, you know, Pedro, I feel like, you know, very much the conversation is Pedro and Bella, it's Joel and Ellie. How old does she seem to you? She seems like 16 to me.

Starting point is 01:58:23 Wow, she really reads his 19 to me. Really? Yeah. I'm glad. Because it's like so, I just feel like that. It's the swearing. Like, she swears like someone who's still not quite used to it. You're not the only person who feels that way. Yeah, I've heard a lot of people feel that way, John, so there must be

Starting point is 01:58:39 something to that. Koi says they swear like a white rapper. I heard that. Can I tell you guys the reason that she reads kind of like a 19-year-old to me, though, because I've seen this common a lot. But like, think about the NASA Museum, the Museum of Science and History that we ended up in Seattle, where literally she gets there, there's this dinosaur, there's this, like, she goes to go into the spaceship. He's like, go put on the outfit first.

Starting point is 01:59:09 It's not something you would ever do at 19. You would do that when you're younger. You do that when maybe you're eight. But that's not the world she lives in. She lives in a world where she's had no childhood, zero. So I feel like at times she feels like she's five years old, playing and listening and playing pretend. And at times she feels like an 80-year-old woman who has like way too much on her shoulders.

Starting point is 01:59:30 So it kind of nets out for me where I'm like, I don't know about 19 in this world, but in that world where she's like, let me go out, let me patrol, let me do all of this. It's giving teenager in general. which you guys feel as well just a little earlier but I don't get as much of the like old soul stuff you don't I don't feel that that's totally fair John totally fair a lot of people

Starting point is 01:59:51 are in your same exact camp I don't know why it's hard to put my finger on why I'm feeling that so much no I'm thrilled at you right and I mean like you know in terms of the other actors like Elizabeth Lerner said I feel like doesn't overshadow Bella Ramsey to me because I'm really interested in their dynamic together and Caitlin Denver I don't think is

Starting point is 02:00:09 for my taste in any danger of overshadowing Bella Ramsey until we actually spend some time with her because I kept forgetting she was in it until she showed back up. Yeah, exactly. Shine is saying, will Ellie ever truly find peace

Starting point is 02:00:25 by the end of the show? Or will she be left more broken than ever? What do you guys, how do you guys think it'll end with her for the character? Knowing the vibe of this my guess is the logical choice would be the latter

Starting point is 02:00:45 but part of me wonders if there is a way to get her to some uneasy version of peace by the end of this I wonder if it's like an old soul thing where you know her and Abby they fight they talk it through they understand you killed my dad

Starting point is 02:01:01 I killed yours whatever and then she lives like somewhat of a peaceful life with Dina and sort of gives up being like I'm going to be this leader who's going to kill the zombies. And instead, she's like, well, I want to give Dina and my kid everything that they ever deserve. And she's a changed. They're a changed person.

Starting point is 02:01:27 I don't know. There is quite literally zero percent that Abby, Ellie, Dina, their baby, all make it out of it. It's not free. It's what I want. But I love that you said that. I wonder in this question how we're going to define peace. Is there peace for her at the end? Does her dying mean peace?

Starting point is 02:01:50 Because if it does, then I think that there's a possibility. I guess to me it's like, will she make a choice? Will she choose peace by the end is how I answered with this, basically? If the Jesse death doesn't change her, I don't think anything will. Because this is her last shot. This is her last shot at not going towards vengeance. And I have a feeling that she is not capable of making that choice. But we will see.

Starting point is 02:02:22 Yeah. All right. All right. Dan V-900 is an interesting food for thought. Two-parter. There is something that has never addressed in the game and the show so far when it comes to the cure. How could they get it across America? alone the world get people to take it

Starting point is 02:02:41 and prove it works quote we have a cure unquote okay well how will this even succeed you you take ads out in the newspaper yeah broadcast it on the radio this is a really good question

Starting point is 02:02:57 and how do you have enough resources to like mass produce this thing I've talked about this for every single episode to the point where people now that I was able to go back and look at the comments are making fun of me for how much I bring this up because you guys know what a lot like i can't just turn off the logical part of my brain where i ask really intense questions that don't actually aren't what the show's about but

Starting point is 02:03:17 number one i'm calling BS that this is the only doctor in the world that can get this cure number two if ellie somehow is immune and this show keeps being like she's the only immune one we know how she became immune we watched that happen we watched her be born her mom be bit and then she gets part of the juice in her and then she ends up being immune so then there's other ways to do that for people in the future or maybe probably there are more people out there like that. So I can't even get past that part, let alone knowing for sure that based on one person's cordyceps in their brain that we were 100% sure we could make a cure and that cure could

Starting point is 02:03:55 get to every person based on that one amount that we have. It's ludicrous to me. However, I did hear, I believe it was Neil Druckman say this week, like he put it to rest about this when people were like, was it even going to be possible that there was a cure? and he was like, yeah, for sure, it was going to make a cure or whatever the article said. I didn't click on the actual article because I didn't want anything spoiled, but that was the headline.

Starting point is 02:04:17 Like, Neil Druckman puts to rest that people think it wouldn't have actually made a cure, quote, it would have, or some shit like that. Maybe Greg could see that full article. I think it would have. I mean, the reason it would succeed is that you set it up like Gladiator. You say, hey, man, you're going to go in here and zombies are going to come eat you.

Starting point is 02:04:36 You're going to have to be okay with it. We gave you the shot. If it works, then you'll make it out alive. If it doesn't, you're dead, and we've got to keep working on it. But we'll pay your family $10,000. I think it's more... People will go, all right, sign me up. Well, I'm going to die in a couple weeks anyway.

Starting point is 02:04:52 We're living in a zombie apocalypse. I think it's more interesting to be able to wonder if the cure would have worked or not. But at the same time, I guess it's more dramatically effective to be like, it would have. I don't know. I feel like if they can make a cure, they can get it out there somehow. But, you know, that could easily see how you wouldn't. It just seems like a whole other problem. But, you know, there's enough organization in this universe that, like, I'm sure some people would die during the dissemination of the cure.

Starting point is 02:05:19 But, like, you know, if you spread it far and wide enough, you could probably make some kind of meaningful shift in the, you know, fall of mankind. What if Ali has a baby? That's a great question. Let's find out. The thing the comments are keep reiterating is that we know that as the audience how Ellie is immune, but she, not even Ellie knows how she became immune or anybody else. No, that's definitely true. I'm not saying that they do.

Starting point is 02:05:44 I'm just saying I think there's probably, if that's the scenario that it needs to take for you to be able to be immune, then there's no way she's the only person on planet Earth that that happened to. Right. That's true. In all these years. Someone all the way across the world is going through the same thing. And Debbie 900 also says, I'll say, when the OG game trailer came out in 2016.

Starting point is 02:06:06 Most people went, oh, Joel is dead in a figment of Ellie's imagination. I don't know why. I don't even remember the trailer. It's the way it is shot as he comes in the frame. Oh, yeah, there was like a teaser they made that wasn't actually part of the game. Then the game comes out and everyone's like, wait, he dies. Gamers weren't so smart in 2020. A little shot at the gamers there.

Starting point is 02:06:26 This little fun tidbit. Let me just adjust this really quick. So sorry, everyone. So sorry. Sorry, Gilly. Sorry. Let's see if this is working here. And, oh, really quick, let me find this person.

Starting point is 02:06:42 Okay, I don't want to, I don't want to spoil. We need to be looking away. You got to tell us. I would say, I'm going to turn off the chat from the screen for a little bit just for safety as I asked this question. Okay. So, Daniel Rahimi, he sent in a super chat that says expectations for season three, but then there's like a couple little spoilt. I don't want to like give away. So with that in mind, what are some expectations that you guys have for season three that you are actually hoping they truly like fulfill? Is there anything like cathartic or whatever that you're actually hoping they do release, whether it be via through infected, whether it be through Abby or Ellie? Like what is there is there a specific expectation that you're really hoping to see you be brought to fruition? I have one. I want to dive into the feel her love.

Starting point is 02:07:31 stuff. I'm super curious because even in this episode we walk by again and Ellie says to Jesse there's more of them because it's a different looking woman and I don't know whether this is like a Jesus Christ scenario or depending on who's painting them they look different

Starting point is 02:07:47 or whether this is I just don't know anything about the scars the prophet anything that happens here so I I'm super curious about this we keep referencing the feel her love stuff and I'm curious about it you guys I think um my expectation I've already said it before but I think

Starting point is 02:08:09 what I would be really excited to see I currently hate Abby yeah if they can write it and bring me into season three where we open up she's looking over this this beautiful they they took out a state I just want season three to be gayer like more Dina Ellie or more characters that are gay or anybody man you just want it to be queer I just want it to be queer The queerest season, yes. Let's do it. See, of which you have an interview coming out that I don't want to tell anybody about, but I thought that was a really interesting answer that somebody gave you about,

Starting point is 02:08:45 that is relevant to what you just said. Oh, that makes me feel like that. I was kind of, yeah. I was worried I didn't get enough juice on that. No, I thought that that was really cool. Again, I don't know if people know what I'm talking about, so I don't want to say it. Okay, great. Well, when they see it, then they'll know.

Starting point is 02:08:59 Thank you. Question. it's buffering again you guys refresh chat if you refresh your page better than boo work hold on

Starting point is 02:09:09 wait let's not answer this question just yet let's wait saying y'all are gone what can you read us what the question is oh wait we just need to wait a little bit to read it oh

Starting point is 02:09:19 no because we want to just make sure the buffer babe I'm standing I don't see me wave well I'm literally yeah it's still buffering oh yeah that's still buffering oh yeah that's that's bad it's like now it's frozen it's a fan on the computer on John did you turn that on

Starting point is 02:09:36 can I help there's a fan under see that black thing can you just feel to see if that's on that's a fan underneath it here no no no no it's the thing the computer sitting on top of I don't feel any air the lights are on oh no I think there is air but it's very little and the computer's piping hot like burning hot. Oh, really? Yep. This is only using 4% of

Starting point is 02:10:01 the CPU, so... Do you want to use, if I put my... Maybe I'll put this on top of it? My ice pack on top of it. Will that help? Terrible. I mean, with, like, multiple paper towels. Don't want to fuck with condensation. No, you will put water. Do you don't want to put any water, liquid on it at all? I thought it was a totally fair idea, and they're making you feel

Starting point is 02:10:19 like an idiot for no reason for it. I would just wrap it. I mean, I've done it on my computer before. I wrap it in a towel, and then I put it on top of it for a few seconds. So they're saying it's good now. They're saying it's good, John, did you actually walk over, John? Did you actually walk over and check it out? I did check it. No, it's the fan going. Is it a fan actually?

Starting point is 02:10:35 Yeah, it's going. But it's like burning hot, you said? Yes, it's burning hot. Damn. That's not burnt. Oh, you didn't even trust me to feel a fan, man. I didn't hear you. Okay.

Starting point is 02:10:54 I swear. I didn't hear you. I swear I was all it was. I just didn't hear I'm monitoring spoiler conversations and all this over as well I mean like we're like we're you all already shot down my ice pack idea real hard so you don't get it if you want to use it you can you play um southern women often let's uh let's do this all right while it's work if is the audio out of sync I don't know If you have no audio, it's saying refresh.

Starting point is 02:11:29 No, that was recent. That's me going off about the ice pack. No, that has nothing to do with the audio, though. Oh, audio. Sorry. That's okay. It wasn't listening. Okay.

Starting point is 02:11:39 We're going to try this out. Robo 96. Do you think the last of us could suffer the further away we get from Joel? I feel like it makes the same demands from the audience as Joker 2, which to paraphrase Tara, it's like trying to retrain our brains in a bit of a jarring 180. Who wants to take this question? Did you not see Joker 2? Is that way he said to paraphrase terror?

Starting point is 02:11:59 Did I see Joker 2? Yeah. I watched it on the channel. Who wants to take this question? Somebody take it away. I think it is a hazard. I mean, like, you know, the further we get away from Joel, and you can't just, you can't do a saw where we just bring them back for flashbacks, like, all the time.

Starting point is 02:12:16 So it is on, especially the, like, I feel like we have enough association with Bell Ramsey to where hopefully people will stick for that, but it is sort of, I think Abby needs to become an even stronger, more gripping character as of the show to bridge this gap. There's no way that that isn't going to loom, and it seems like in season three we will have less opportunities to do a Joel flashback or a Joel thing. And I could see that hurting the show, actually. Do you see him wrap on set, John? No. It felt very much like a goodbye, everyone.

Starting point is 02:12:53 I loved working with you guys. Like Pedro's rap was so, felt so rap like that I think it confirms what you're saying. Really thought you were saying rap song. I really thought this was what you were going. He just the way he said bye to everybody. I miss Joel, I'm here to say. I actually feel a little bit differently. I think that the show will suffer way less the further away we get from Joel because I think it's been really hard all season to concentrate because I miss Joel.

Starting point is 02:13:23 And I'm thinking about Joel. and I'm comparing it to Joel and I'm comparing Tommy to Joel and I'm talking about Ellie with Joel and I think just like most deaths it doesn't get easier as you go on but you adjust and I think that as an audience member I'll be easier able to adjust

Starting point is 02:13:39 to his absence in season 3 for show that's great answer. Well put. J.A. Dubb love to see a reaction to the game cut scenes. Just wait about three years and you'll get it from this game. So I don't actually know the schedule of this show We're doing a season three next year and a season four the year after?

Starting point is 02:13:57 That's the goal they have in mind, yeah. Hopefully. I haven't shot season three yet. I feel like they should have shot them both back to back. Three. Six months apart probably would have been. But there's a season four or no? They want to do it.

Starting point is 02:14:10 They want to wrap it up in the next two seasons. Three, four. Yeah. Okay. Jonathan Garcia. Let me make sure. Let me read this question. Okay, everybody's fine.

Starting point is 02:14:19 He says, I just bought the game today. I need to know how this ends now. I can't wait for the next season to find out or have it spoiled for me. How are you guys feeling about that on this journey of like the biggest spoiler is, like there's big things that happen for sure, but the biggest spoiler is Joel dying. Like it's kind of hard to talk that no matter what they do. But, you know, there's big, pretty huge ones to come as well. But do you guys feel like it's going to be hard to avoid spoilers? Are you kind of worried about that?

Starting point is 02:14:51 Roxie's cover so much TV on so many different news things I think there's zero chance this isn't spoiled for me well the fucking Joel death wasn't spoiled for you I know I know which is crazy but I also wasn't covering the show for season one

Starting point is 02:15:05 I talked about it a little bit on my show but for this for this season I was covering it for real rejects for DJ for Christian M for my own channel and on social media so it just was like then I started to I really tried to block out all the noise and I didn't look at any of the comments

Starting point is 02:15:21 what you guys know, it's difficult for me. Yeah. But now that we are the team, I feel like people are vicious and rude. And unintentional sometimes, like, where they drop something. And they hold it against you for not knowing. Yeah, like, I don't even know what I'm talking about right now. But apparently, like, early on in season two, somebody sent me something like, just wait until you get to the dog this season.

Starting point is 02:15:44 And I was like, it never came. But I thought that that was a spoiler. Oh, yeah. I was like, who's dog? what dog, where dog? Oh, that would have killed me. Yeah. Greg, I don't know if you know what I'm talking about.

Starting point is 02:15:57 I do know what you're talking about. Yeah, we talked about it during the game part of this live stream. So it's something that already would happen, right? It's something that would, that I believe they cut out from the show. Oh, good. Yeah, so I don't want to see it. So I don't even know what that meant. Like, I was like, huh?

Starting point is 02:16:12 There's a couple of like survival things that have happened where you're like, oh, well, not with any major characters. Michael Myers have done? I don't even want to know. Don't you dare tell me. I'm less worried about spoilers now than before. Yeah, I'm not worried about it. Laddrak 1. What were your thoughts? By the way, if you guys want to get any super chats in, this is the last of the super chats.

Starting point is 02:16:32 We've got to stick to schedule today, and we've had enough delays. But thank you for everyone who's been patient with us today. What were your thoughts on the take on me scene in the music store specifically? That's a totally miserable scene in the game, but is one of the best who wants to take it. I wouldn't say that yeah I'm surprised it would be missable not miserable at all but I thought it was really great

Starting point is 02:16:57 oh missable scene though yeah because what did you Greg did you find it miserable in the game? No I don't know I was just I was not computing oh yeah yeah it's like he hasn't learned to rate it was one of the best scenes in the show yeah absolutely I like that they take time

Starting point is 02:17:14 especially in an environment like this for the communal quality that music can have and I enjoyed the kind of hearkening back to the first season the bond that Ellie and Joel shared through music and her carrying that onward as part of what he left to her and part of what she can use

Starting point is 02:17:31 to connect with people like Dina and other folks. Like I thought it was really nice. Yeah, totally agree. The art design in that scene. I'm desperate to know what movie was playing. Sick, ah, Sikha. Oh, yeah, what was on the more key?

Starting point is 02:17:43 But I love Seattle. I've been to Seattle probably 50 times in my life. city of Seattle. So I actually think it's really fun to see like it's a music city. So when we go to the music shop and even like the posters that Ellie has knowing she's a music head

Starting point is 02:18:01 it's just I think that there's way more to explore in Seattle. Going back to an earlier question, things I would love to see is more of Seattle. I'm like the gum wall in Seattle, right? The famous gum wall. It's buffering. You want to use the ice pack on there for whatever? Do you think it'll work?

Starting point is 02:18:17 I don't care. If you need it, It's just in my bag. Sure, let's just do whatever then. Yeah. I think he meant. However you want to do it, John, you can just grab it. I don't want to do it and have you guys be like. Can I reach in here, sir?

Starting point is 02:18:31 Yeah. Here's this. This is probably, yeah, exactly. I'm going to put this back down. Yeah, yeah. What about a guy of her of a situation? Do you guys want to know something funny about me? Sure.

Starting point is 02:18:49 When I started working for afterbuzz back in the day, when I would take out my own computer, it would get so hot. And I would always melt my chocolate on it because I love melted chocolate. And one time somebody walked in on me, melting a square of chocolate. And they were like, what the fuck? That's why it's so slow.

Starting point is 02:19:12 And I was like, no. Oh, that's great. All right. It's super smooth right now. So let's take advantage of the moment in time. I don't know what I was saying. It must not have been important. Does anyone remember?

Starting point is 02:19:29 Someone help me out here. Something from before, something you wanted to see piggybacking off of the take on me. More Seattle. The gum wall. Thank you, John. Like there's the gum wall, the famous gum wall in Seattle, or like, where they do the fish throw. There's all this stuff there that I'm curious, like, what's there? What's in Seattle?

Starting point is 02:19:47 I don't think this show, where does this show shoot in Canada? Oh, I have no idea. But it'd be interesting for them to create more of Seattle and us to see more around while we're there. Yeah, that'd be sweet. Would it be cool. Someone said, Willie Wonka's PC to your comment, to your story, Rock. Oh, they heard my truck. Yeah, I actually heard it.

Starting point is 02:20:08 That's funny. Yeah, they film in Canada. Mr. Easier Toley, what did you think about the pregnant lady scene? how do you think it affects Ellie's psyche I really thought Ellie would try to get the baby out would you have tried to get the baby out yes I don't know why she didn't yeah the melcine yeah I don't know if they're talking about

Starting point is 02:20:29 yeah we're gonna really fast track this baby Dina you better get that thing out of here tonight they get the leg they should go in for sure they're like we gotta get the baby out of it no no no it's still just like an embryo this is what we do yeah sorry Tara go ahead then No, I just thought it was weird that, you know, when she's like, oh, is it out? Is that? Oh, he's beautiful.

Starting point is 02:20:52 And the mom dies. And then she just like slowly puts down the knife. I'm like, no, I would absolutely cut into her belly. There is still a chance. The baby can still survive. Then what, then you're going to take care of the baby? You got to, you got to. Dive in the water.

Starting point is 02:21:06 You got to figure it out. You got to figure it out. You got to figure it out, kids. Come on now. Use the motor with one hand to swaddle the baby and the other hand. I don't know. This was such a brilliant performance by Bella in this moment because you can see all the things in her mind, right?

Starting point is 02:21:21 Like, she did not mean to kill Mel. Right. The bullet did, this was like the magic bullet theory, man. It went right through this homeboy and right, Owen, and then right into Mel's neck. And just the way that that reveal was was brilliant. But Bella really, you can tell, the Ellie's intentions are to cut the baby out.

Starting point is 02:21:43 When she comes over and she's trying to listen, And then you're looking at a stomach. This girl dying is delusional. Like you're doing great. She hasn't done anything. And then you have to, and you see her thought process, Ellie's thought process of what the fuck am I going to do right now with the baby? I'm trying to escape.

Starting point is 02:22:02 Yeah. Well, that and I think it felt like an honest sentiment. Like I, it felt like a moment of shock, like overwhelm. I don't know how to do this. I actually don't know what to do. Also, how far along are you? like is this like a viable she seemed far enough

Starting point is 02:22:18 along that the baby could be okay but I'm sure she's a child so she doesn't know yeah yeah and it's that thing of like I guess any number of us could sit here and go like well I'd at least try cutting in there and I mean she is giving her like the instructions but in a way where it's like

Starting point is 02:22:34 it's very plausible as to how you wouldn't pick them up properly that whole seems great I thought she says there's one cut and then don't forget to tie the tubes it's like yeah that's all it is one cut tie the tube done i thought she would make an attempt but i like that scene yeah me too me too and it's definitely going to do a number on ellie's psyche or not cut the baby that was the last question what would you have done i would probably

Starting point is 02:22:58 tried but i feel like most of us would probably actually have just done what ellie did or didn't do you know uh yeah such as life and it's yeah it's totally going to affect her psyche because there's no way you can control a situation like that you know Tiffany Sullivan How are you guys feeling about the seraphites? Are those the scars? Scarhammers, yeah. I think Scars is the offensive term, and Sarah Fights is the actual. I want to go back to Scar Island super bad,

Starting point is 02:23:28 because we just saw Isaac take off for Scar Island, and then we're seeing fireworks and battle. So I'm feeling interested in them. I told you one of the things I'm most interested about is feel your love. Curious about that. But also, they seem like the most vicious of the people that we've come across so far. Do they say seraphites in the text of the show ever?

Starting point is 02:23:48 I don't think so, but I know that I've only heard them as scars. Seraphites correct. I think in the Isaac scene, he corrects that when he's being tortured. When Isaac's torturing that one, seraphite, I think the seraphite corrects him. Really? I'm pretty sure. I think they make a point of, like, acknowledging it, yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 02:24:05 I don't think that that, I'll only step to you on that because I'm pretty sure that people have been saying we don't use the word in the show. really but I'm not sure maybe I'm making it up I'm not sure hey my memories I don't know good and we're talking with three out of four of us who have really bad memories I just John have a good memory I like that they whistled what movies and show to stop go or kill depends on what that's what I appreciate what you say I like that they have a whistle combo you're a big Sarah fight girl or kill I like that yeah she was like that was whistle once that was pause that was yeah that was

Starting point is 02:24:44 I mean, remember when we saw them even, like, walking at first when we see them with the hammers and they're doing their walk and you were like, that whistle was pause, whistle, whistle, I know. I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. I got a lot of people saying they do say seraphites in that scene. Okay, then you're right. In the show. In the show.

Starting point is 02:25:01 I asked because I wanted to know. Yeah, yeah. I had just seen everybody say that they don't call them that in the show. Well, you mainly hear from the other side of you hear them to call them scars. The scars is like it's not a real thing. But no, but that's a good correction. Tori weren't work for them, but I don't ever feel like I'm being offensive. It's made up bullshit.

Starting point is 02:25:19 No, that's a good correction. Thanks for letting us now, Greg. And chat people. All right. So last couple ones here. Can you guys look away from the screen really quick? Do you do to do. Just to make sure.

Starting point is 02:25:32 Oh, sign key. Oh, no. Okay. Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. So, okay, there's one here I don't want to miss. We just can't show it on that. screen for some reason just sending you can look back yeah you can look back if I do this yes there you go oh hell yeah whether they can make a cure or not

Starting point is 02:25:54 from Chey Marquale or if Ellie consented or not is it ever okay to about 14 year old to be responsible for the fate of humanity so you guys a great philosophical conundrum to debate if she's dead then I guess yeah because you won't know I I mean then it won't be all on her shoulders. Is it ever okay? Probably not. I don't know. I mean, I always found it interesting that Ellie does have that thought

Starting point is 02:26:22 process of like, you, like, my life could have meant something and you didn't give me a chance to decide whether I wanted to do this. And to be fair, they didn't explain the situation fully either, but this is a good question. I feel like there's no good answer for this. Like, nobody wants to kill a 14-year-old,

Starting point is 02:26:38 but if it's the fate of humanity on the line, it's the classic, like, train car trolley problem. Yeah, I think it really depends on the human being. I mean, like, as you said, you know, Ellie was saying, my life could have meant something. I think it depends on the kid and how they're functioning. I think multiple different things on this.

Starting point is 02:26:58 Number one, we can't even get there because she didn't consent. So this question, Shea, she didn't consent. But number two, the age of consent for this, I don't know what that should be, right? like in this country, some age of consent is 16, some is 18, some is 21, depends on what we're, like what kind of thing we're consenting to. What is the age of savior consent? Right, so I don't know what it should be, but here's what I do think,

Starting point is 02:27:26 and this is one of the qualms that I have with their team, with Abby's dad. Teach somebody else. Take your time and teach somebody else what you're effing doing. You're the only person who can do this. why do we have to do it this day why don't we talk to her see what she's Ellie see what she's comfortable with when she's comfortable with it why don't we train a bunch of people why don't we instead of just like sleep attack pushing her in there why don't we plan for this a little bit more and then like I don't know what age you would feel comfortable Shay or what age we'd

Starting point is 02:28:00 feel comfortable but say we decided 16 why don't we research her brain why don't we look into it like why don't we spend any time on this other than like cut her open don't tell her why, what? Well, we don't know what they've done up until this point. But not told her. Well, yeah. And we know he's the only person who could do it. So we know he hasn't trained anybody else. Well, the only person, yeah, the only person

Starting point is 02:28:21 nearby, anyway. That's not what they say. The only person on it. Well, of course they think that. Like, I, like I could imagine in a headcanon how someone across the world may have also been led to a similar conclusion. I agree, John, but it still doesn't change the fact that we know, when you say

Starting point is 02:28:37 we don't know what they've done. We know he hasn't trained anybody else to do this, and we know that they haven't told that way. Those are facts that we know. Well, I mean, that's fair. I mean, you can only have so many surgeons on hand in the apocalypse, I guess. That's true. That's true. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 02:28:53 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Bonnie said, just sending some love to everyone. Thanks for dealing with the stream, even with the tech issues. We've made her day. She said, happy Veterans Day, but isn't it Memorial Day? Yes. Happy Memorial Day.

Starting point is 02:29:09 and to those lost but not forgotten. Hey. Well, she said the right thing. She said to those lost but not forgotten. That is Memorial Day. He just said the wrong word. And it is two veterans that are being memorialized. Totally.

Starting point is 02:29:24 Absolutely. You got to love it. Thank you. Thank you, Bonnie. And Shea Markell, final one of the day. Hey. Old utilitarianism is pretty much always bad in my book. Soon we justify harming infants for humanity's survival.

Starting point is 02:29:39 What a great note to end on right there. Absoluteism is also tricky, I would say. I guess this is the debate, yeah, like utilitarianism as a complete ideology 100% of the time is probably not a great idea, but also absolutism is also a tricky idea. And I mean, if it be the natural order of things that humanity not survived, that's a choice. But also, again, if one life can literally transform

Starting point is 02:30:09 and save millions and billions potentially. I don't know. I agree, John. I think that that was a leap, my dude. Like, soon we would end up. This is, like, the same argument people use all the time. And I'm not saying that you just did this. But, like, when people are like, soon, people are going to want to transition into cats.

Starting point is 02:30:24 And it's like, that's not, that's not, that's not actually the same thing. It's just not the exact same thing. But who knows, you could be right. The where does it stop of it all is a reasonable thing. Yes, totally, totally. Certainly. And utilitarianism, certainly in this context. Hazardous.

Starting point is 02:30:44 Yes, hazardous. But also, yeah, there's a conversation to be held. All right, the last one here. Would you three be interested in playing part one here, Estabon Pinsom? Estabon. I mean, I'd be down, sure. I would love to watch you guys play. That would be fun as hell.

Starting point is 02:31:01 It would be the first video game I played in a long, long time. Tara and I trade their controller, and then Roxy does, like, commentary. Yeah, Roxy comments on the game. that would be fun yeah for sure for sure um okay but actually for sure I want to yep I don't want to go back to the main chat on screen because you never know it could be one person who decides to spoil everything so we don't look or we're just saying bye let me see how I can maneuver this in a way where Ellie is actually Joel in a kid costume okay if I do this No, no, I think it'll work.

Starting point is 02:31:40 No, we should just say bye. Yeah, okay, it's right in front of my face. I'm like, uh, I don't know what's on there. I'm worried, but, um, thanks to everyone. Like, there's a lot of people who have been here since the very beginning of the stream and have stuck around these, all these hours. Thank you so much for being here and especially contributing to super chats and just your presence here and then helping out where as we experiment with this after show stuff.

Starting point is 02:32:02 But last things you guys want to say? Love you. Thank you guys for making us feel, again, it's been a tricky back and forth due to the spoileriness of potential comments, but it's still been quite a joy to be welcomed into the conversation surrounding this show and to get to take it in and to feel echoes of what people felt playing the game, you know, and then feel what a lot of us are feeling for the first time sort of in unison with all the first timers out there. Like this still remains, for whatever there is to debate about the show, a really striking experience and a very cool communal telly that we don't get as much anymore.

Starting point is 02:32:39 So, yeah, I've had a great time and I'm looking forward to more. That's true. This has built like a bigger community. And even though you guys know that we're in the blind reaction, so we don't know all the juice, it's nice to feel even still welcomed in this aspect of the show. And I think, you know, for those of you aren't yelling at us, like, why didn't you know? for the rest you guys have been great

Starting point is 02:33:03 that's why I said love you I was dying to cover this show and was not here last time and then wasn't invited to this until like 36 hours before you guys decided to do coverage on this and it was like such an immediate like I will move every part of my schedule I'll do whatever it takes to be here because I love

Starting point is 02:33:22 the show so much no matter what they do and it was just so much fun being able to watch with you guys this season I think we have such different perspective on the characters and stuff and it's cool and you guys change my mind about things so I'm glad you joined yeah I'm really happy to be here I think is I think the last of us reactions here are some of the best best things that we've ever concocted here at Real Rejects the doing the gamers one and the blind one like two very different types of reactions I totally been really cool and like the the there it's here all the time in our actually like what you guys provide here is like the actual thing that people really want is the, is the, that real experience of, like, first time experiencing the shit. And it's, it's so cool to see, like, you guys are, your engagement is way stronger than, than even the gamer's reaction.

Starting point is 02:34:11 And it's really cool to see how much people have loved and just flocked over to you guys, like, even, like, getting recognized with Roxie, not even, not even me is like, such a telltale sign. When we were at, oh, I saw it. Oh, I saw it. And somebody had been watching the three of ours last was. reaction and they were like, Ms. Roxy, and they look at great, and no idea who he was. You take the picture? It was so fun. That was the same thing that you guys, that you were posted

Starting point is 02:34:38 the other day where I said, I met him fan at Lucky Strike, and she said, the last of us. It was, it was all of us that she's, she's watching. Yeah. So, it's been fun. I think it's a really cool journey. And so thank you guys for doing this part of the last of us. I think you. I mean, you know, this, this came out of your big brain in a lot of ways. So we have you to thank. Well, you guys are the one doing the actual work. I'm not going to thank him because we're the ones here working.

Starting point is 02:35:05 If Tara were to thank me, that's the last thing Tara ever does. I do not know Tara. It's devastating Tara. It's so devastating, Tara. It's true. Dear God.

Starting point is 02:35:19 That's, oh my God, I'm so sorry. It's true. Me and Greg's relationship is like, I'm mean to him, so that's how he knows I love him. And that I am grateful for him. is how it works. I'm not like, thank you so much, Greg. You're a great person. Ew, sounds nasty coming out of my mouth. No. I'm trying to end this. How do I end the stream? Oh, it's right here. My bad. I can figure that. I'm trying to like hit the end button. But no,

Starting point is 02:35:44 we got to get Tara justifying being verbally abusive. It's all worth it for that. All right. Peace out, everyone. Thank you. Bye. See you saying bye till this is over. I don't know.

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