The Reel Rejects - THE LOVELY BONES (2009) MOVIE REVIEW - FIRST TIME WATCHING

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Starting point is 00:01:41 I'm ready when you are. Yeah, man. I'm Greg. Greg outlaw. I mean, give me a break. Listen, we're watching Lovely Bones. The Lovely Bones. The lovely bones.

Starting point is 00:01:52 They're bones, and they are lovely. I have not seen this movie. Apparently, it's a drama. I don't really know what I'm in for, except I hope I get to. to see some bones. How are you doing today, Gregory Alba? I'm good, I'm good.

Starting point is 00:02:05 I've heard good things about this movie. It's from director Peter Jackson. I think Mark Wahlberg's in it? Really? I think so. Okay, I love him, so I'm excited. Hey, everyone. I adore him.

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Starting point is 00:02:50 if you know what's good for you. Okay, so we're going to watch the lovely bones. Then we're going to get to it, get bone, and not between us with the movie in three, two, one my name is salmon like the fish first name's Susie I was 14 years old

Starting point is 00:03:10 when I was murdered on December 6th 1973 we're shooting this on December 6th oh my god what the hell that's crazy weird

Starting point is 00:03:29 Also, that camera looked like a lighthouse at the end. With that, it was like a lighthouse. I'm thinking the same thing, too. Dude. Wow. Okay, listen, wow. I'm going to get right into it. I really like.

Starting point is 00:03:49 But if you're listening on Apple and Spotify, rate and review. Rate and review. If you're on Apple or Spotify, rate and review, please. Are you not, are you remembering to say this when I'm not? Not next to you, Tara? No, I am not. I definitely did not say it for Planet of the Apes, but I'll say it now in case he wants to cut from this and put it in.

Starting point is 00:04:09 If you're listening on Apple or Spotify, rate and review. This was a really gripping and thrilling adventure, except for some parts that I was like, except for some part. What's going on here and why is it taking so long? And you heard, well, both of us yelling about why is she delaying that she just found out the murderer, like what in the world is happening? I also, I really, listen, number one, if they didn't win for special best visual effects, I don't know what's wrong with people. I'll look it up.

Starting point is 00:04:48 That was some of the most amazing visual effects and the fact that when we see her walking and it becomes very ethereal, we're not quite sure what all those props and the hats and the ball and, the ocean means until the very end and the very end when they say she's ready and she hugs that little girl. I was like, I was about to start sobbing because it's just, it's so better sweet. And I did not win any awards, but Stanley Tucci was nominated for best supporting actor. Oh, yeah. I mean, you got to give it to the guy. He was, he was thrilling and so, so good. The one thing I will just say, and then I'll let you get into it, is that Mark I'm sad that Mark Wahlberg's character, the dad, didn't get into it with Stanley Tucci. Like I wanted to see him get a little bit of vengeance on him, maybe not kill him, but like, oh, why is the book out?

Starting point is 00:05:45 The police go to the house. And I'm like, he just gets to escape for that long. He wasn't even in a disguise when he goes to ask that girl if she wants a ride. I'm like, I guess that's the 70s. You can just drive away and keep driving. and I don't know. They don't know how to put an APB out. Anyway, I like the movie.

Starting point is 00:06:05 Go ahead. Get into it. I just read a fun fact. Wow, what is it? Ryan Gosling was originally cast as the dad. And he made, if I speed read this fact quickly enough, is that he was originally cast, but he ended up gaining a bunch of weight for the role

Starting point is 00:06:25 without consulting Peter Jack. Oh, and Peter was like, we can't. He was like, we don't want your fat ass around here. He didn't say that, but I think Brian Gosser was at a completely different direction on what he thought of the character. I would have very much kind of agree with that. I would, with Peter Jackson or Gossley? No, Gossley gaining weight to be in the dad character. Because I was like, this guy looks incredible for a sense of comment about it.

Starting point is 00:06:55 You did. A grieving daddy. His hair. He always looked like picture-esque perfect all the time. He did. And it was kind of distracting to me because you would think he would have been a tad disheveled. I agree. Other than once in a while just having his bewildered Mark Wahlberg look.

Starting point is 00:07:10 Yeah, I mean, he's a dad with three children. He's going to be overweight and look a little more tired than what Mark does. While dealing with this grief, I don't think he would have remained in this shape. But yeah, that was, uh, that was interested. So he was actually let go and then replacing Mark Wahlberg. Wow. I mean, Mark did a great job. But I would have, I don't know what he was thinking about being like, no, the dad can't be fat.

Starting point is 00:07:32 I'm like, he's got three kids in a tiring life. Apparently, again, like 30 pounds or something? Yeah. That's crazy. And then he has to lose it. Then he has to lose it. It's terrible. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 00:07:45 Yeah, so the lovely bones was not about, I mean, it was dual meaning. Yeah. Meaning her bones reside here, but it's also about the memory, love and connections that form with the surrounding people around the loss of the loved one. Yeah. I also think the lovely bones refers to all those, the girls who are in heaven. I mean, that's like once they were all connected and met in heaven, I was like, those are the lovely bones. Yeah, yeah. Now, it was sentimental and horrific.

Starting point is 00:08:27 It seemed to like kind of hover between the two. And to me, like there's a lot of pros and there's some things that I didn't quite gel with ultimately, I think, by the end. But there's a lot of things that I really did enjoy about it. Yeah. Well, what's the things you didn't gel with? Come on. I think let's focus on the good stuff first. Okay.

Starting point is 00:08:50 let's get to the good that way all that will get ignored by the time we talk about things that i was like not quite fully on board with yeah um i okay first off goes out saying uh i mean we said a billion times already stanley too she was phenomenal here like from beginning to end every time he was on screen he was truly captivating and he did the furthest thing from playing something that could have felt like a very generic serial killer performance he brought like a depth and believability to the point where you could understand why someone would trust him as opposed to playing up like, look, how suspicious I am. You know, because you got to be someone who blends in with the crowd.

Starting point is 00:09:31 You got to be someone who can, whose lies can be bought. But at the same time, he always had this inkling in his performance, like he sort of wants to be caught because there's a sense of pride in what he does. Yeah, also the concealment, concealment. You're like, bro. Homie. Yeah. Calm it down. Homie.

Starting point is 00:09:53 Homie. He went all out on building a little, the underground hangout spot for. Yeah, just for one quick kill. But I guess. But it's really smart because it's like, of course, a girl's not just going to go, oh, look at a hole that you made. I mean, he made it pretty. Yeah. He put games in.

Starting point is 00:10:13 And then, of course, with that effort, you can, you can snag a young one and kill him. Yeah, that was awful. Very awful. Sorcerer Ronan, I think, is a phenomenal actress. And again, she, I mean, this was 2010 when this came out. And she's done a lot of great work past 2010. And then, but going all the way back more than a decade at this point, it shows like, yeah, she's always been great. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:37 She's always looked 15, apparently. Yeah. She still looks so. She looks the same. Yeah. That's kind of, it's trippy when you think about it. She looks so young still. Yeah, I agree.

Starting point is 00:10:52 She's just got one of those, she's got that face or she's always going to look 15 years old or something. Yeah. And yeah, the visuals are awesome. I love how they were constantly reflective and metaphorical, allegorical to whatever the emotional state was at the time of what was the main career, Susie Simon. Yes. Of whatever Susie Simon was experiencing in this, the world of the in-between. I think the performances overall were really good, right?

Starting point is 00:11:25 Oh, yeah. I mean, everyone did a great job. There wasn't one person that I was like, oh, I don't believe them. Cinematography, the camera work, I think Peter Jackson excels at really knowing how to keep visuals feeling lush and vibrant. But he does it a lot in Lord of the Rings, specifically with the ring of making this feel like this little thing. have so much weight power and he does that with so many objects to keep you attuned and be like okay this this item must be important for something uh or there's like they can feel heavier and weightier than than what they actually are yeah you know and I think he does an excellent job there

Starting point is 00:12:05 and I noticed like the the camera was usually just moving and it was always moving and the editing was bam bam bam and production design this really felt like uh they shot it in some part of town where the 70s were still like just looked this way. Still thriving? Yeah, it didn't draw attention to it like look Hollywood has created a set. It just felt natural. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. With the neighborhood and with the mall shots too. Yes. And like the cornfield even felt like old. I don't know why. It just

Starting point is 00:12:42 and the coloring playing with the coloring also helps I think with that, like desaturating, saturating different colors is awesome. And the music, like the sound, it was great. I mean, it added to the horror aspect of this. Like in the beginning, you're kind of like, oh, it's okay, like, cool. And then you're like, oh, this is like a horror film. Yeah. Especially with the angles that you were talking about.

Starting point is 00:13:11 I feel like, I mean, you guys can leave the comments. There was a DP in there that. It's like a wide angle lens, and when you get really close, it makes that thing look huge. And we first started to play with that. I think when we first met Stanley in the trap that he has her in, he reaches for a bottle cap opener. And his hand just looks so, like, big against this little tiny thing. It makes it both look just giant, which is awesome. And then we continue with that with, like, the charms on our bracelet and other items that Stanley 2G puts a hand on,

Starting point is 00:13:44 get uh blown out yeah i i'm conflicted throughout the i i would not write this movie off as um i i definitely think the movie's flawed though like i thought it started off very i'm just i got like rotten tomatoes in front of me it's like really distracted this is that the audience is like what do people actually think about this movie which i find uh whoa some people are like vehemently so i got they I really don't. That's insane to me. There's some people.

Starting point is 00:14:16 The movie's grown in popularity over time and whatever. All I'm going to do is give them our honest opinion. Yeah. But it is fascinating to see like, there are some people who like, really hate this movie. And I'm like, I don't feel that way about it. I don't either. There are parts that I really disagreed with that I thought was a bad move and it's taking too long. And what's the deal with the pacing that annoyed me?

Starting point is 00:14:37 Well, there's, there's 250,000 ratings on here. And it's, it's interesting how they, they all. fluctuate between one star and five stars yeah so they're they're all over they're all over the place and i think that the i thought in the first half of this movie i was like oh there's going to be one of those movies i'm really going to love it i thought it was flowing nicely the way they were throwing you into like okay we're slowly becoming a little bit more dreamlike a little bit more haunting and there's an out of this two-hour film there's i don't know what point it was but there it did start coming a point where i did start feeling like character beats wise

Starting point is 00:15:23 everything just sort of felt like perfunctory is the word that keeps coming in mind of uh just throw that like rachel weiss just like do what you normally do with grieving mother uh in this kind of movie just throw in a few plot points here and uh even with Mark Wahlberg's character to a certain extent well I thought he had more flesh on the meat more than other people no puns intended there well I thought there was a little bit more to unpack with him still kind of the same

Starting point is 00:15:49 thing and I sort of felt they were doing that with a lot of their characters where everything sort of felt like surface level where depth was being provided by actors trying to bring depth but writing was not really providing the depth I thought this movie was a tad bloated

Starting point is 00:16:05 with everything they were wanting to accomplish Like, we want to tell something that feels, um, that harkens to, like, the, the, the, the rise of, like, crime incidences that were happening with serial killers and children and, like, the 60s and 70s and to that story. And I actually thought that's when the movie was doing its best, when it was doing the things that we don't associate with Peter Jackson of just, like, this immediate story about daughter, about girl killed and, and, and, and focusing on that story. and then and then it was doing like the dream like stuff and a lot of it felt like they were again it was just a little convoluted where nothing really not I don't want to say nothing a lot was get a lot of the emotions were getting sort of lost by basking it with the fantastical nature yeah like the fantastical nature while I liked looking at it it it sometimes this The sentimentality of it just felt like a bit of a forced, sappy emotion and not truly genuine because the characters, I thought, were constantly kept on the most basic surface level plot points where I'm like, we kind of just need to sit with them. And I think when it really started to lose, slowly started to lose that connection with them was post her death because we just started speeding through some stuff and like, oh, we got to establish like the other world that she's in. But then we also got to keep the timeline moving forward in the real world.

Starting point is 00:17:56 And I just found myself like observing things and not feeling as much as I would like to feel as it just hop between essentially two tones, which was horror and sentimentality because it were the two tones. I think they would kind of fluctuate between. Yeah. And what again, like I think everything is like a technical marvel in a lot of ways. and I think the actors brought more to it than the screenwriting did. At the end of the day, I can't help but feel that because of the way how they were trying to do too much, that things kind of kept canceling each other out. That I couldn't feel enough for the characters because we were kind of getting lost in some other.

Starting point is 00:18:44 Whatever we were trying to focus on something, something else was also happening. That was sort of wash over whatever would allow us the time to feel or experience, this thing. here and then it was just kind of lost in the ether of things and i think it would have helped to like latch onto a clear perspective here or or something because yeah i felt like the first half hour really solid like even a little bit after she died and they were looking for her body and stuff and the way they revealed that she was already dead um i like i was really really digging it and then after that it just sort of became like i'm watching a lot of things happen yeah like i like the last half hour sections of the middle yeah like the first half hour sections of the middle

Starting point is 00:19:29 and then and then a little bit of and then a good amount of like the last 20 minutes yeah yeah yeah but it's that whole it's made it's a lot of act too where i i just found myself just uh kind of back and forth between am i really enjoying this or am i appreciating what i'm seeing on screen the visual effects yeah because when we get into the fantasy world of it in the beginning is where we have a really grounded believability in the lives of all the people in the script. And we see them living and even her voiceover, even us knowing that she's dead, us following that story and it feeling really, real and grounded, especially when we first meet her with Stanley and she goes down in there.

Starting point is 00:20:08 And we stay there for a second with the family of like, we got to go find her. We don't really fully get to experience the rest of that story before we pop into Dreamland with the special effects and where she lands. and I thought we would get into it a little bit more, but it really just, it was as if we popped in the dreamland to show that time had passed,

Starting point is 00:20:29 and I didn't want to pass a lot of time in the fantasy land. I thought that that visual effect was going to last for a moment of like she's in this weird purgatory and whatever, but they used it more as like a metaphorical statement of like what she's going through and where she's at and meeting this girl. but I think I would have liked it a lot more to go back into the family story

Starting point is 00:20:53 of immediately what happens to them and how do they actually deal with it after her death and then leading us to where we see the dad with his candle on reaching out of the window and he sees her reflection as though he can still feel her just like he felt her when she yelled and feels her in the flower.

Starting point is 00:21:13 I would have liked to continue that story a little bit more to feel the pain in the anguish of losing a daughter and losing a family member so that when we do get the daughter because the reason that the daughter goes looking for that guy, she already has an instinct too. So we're running off instincts with the family with the dad and the sister. They all have this instinct of like this fucking guy is let's, I don't know what's going on. And then she charges right after. I mean, the dad does, but then he gets, you know, beaten up, ends up in the hospital.

Starting point is 00:21:47 I would have loved to see, like, what have, is it, do we just assume because the daughter is lying there with the dad, that the dad is beat up, that he told her I was looking for that guy, and that's why she ended up at the house. That's fine to assume it. I don't like exposition, but I would have loved to follow the story more of, like, dad's recovering, but daughter's going to decide to take control. She finds the book. And then, like, just being taken up in that story of the family going, what in the actual? And seeing, like, how they, they run after Stanley, even though they couldn't catch him. I just, I don't know. I really wanted that.

Starting point is 00:22:25 I wanted to see Mark going after him, even though he did. He, fine, he punches wall, whatever. And then the daughter does, you know, she does get to discover him. But it's still wild bonkers to me. And this probably happened a lot in the 70s that you could be, there's evidence left behind. And you can just keep driving and not be found, which is. crazy and wild to me. But I do agree with you that it ebbed and flowed,

Starting point is 00:22:52 and I know that the act too is really where it's slowed down where I was like, okay, how much longer do we have in this middle ground before we're like, let's find him out and how do we get to that story a little bit quicker? Yeah, because it, the other world she's in does feel a bit meandering. It doesn't really feel like, like, I get it.

Starting point is 00:23:15 Like, that's the thing is I totally, we get it and I think you're becoming a little self-indulgent with your flowery expression of your metaphors that we will eventually become crystal by the end but it does get to a point where it's like we're not really doing much characterization here it's not really advancing the plot forward it's not really doing anything you know and and I think that when you get to like these beats by the end of the movie with like Rachel Weiss's scenes kind of accumulate to what 10 minutes of this two-hour movie and she goes on this whole fucking journey

Starting point is 00:23:49 in this film I'm gonna have a daughter but daughter's dead oh not getting along with my husband I'm leaving my family I'm back and it's like 10 minutes of screen time and then they just kind of

Starting point is 00:24:01 welcome her back and I think the movie I get the movie's point like especially when they're explaining to us about lovely bones and and again of like these are the bones that formed while in my time being gone

Starting point is 00:24:15 and look at all the Look at the beauty that has formed out of pain and loss and grief. And while I love, again, sentimentality of that, well, I love the message of that. I think it does get, I don't, I don't feel like the movie quite earned it. And I feel like it kind of got lost here because we didn't really truly spent other than like scenes, like, like quick scenes of like Mark Wahlberg's upset, you know, or this person's upset about something. thing it just kind of rushes over it in the most surface of ways again with actors doing their best provided and while looking pretty it doesn't it doesn't quite get it and maybe it does for people and if it does that's that's amazing uh for me i kind of felt like a lot of it was executed in

Starting point is 00:25:05 other than the visual language underneath the visual language is kind of executed in the most generic way you could sort of think of like i actually thought the other daughter was one of the more interesting parts of Lindsay girl whereas like she's the one who's the family is is all kind of a chaotic mess and she's the athletic one who's staying focused and is still in pain but she wants to solve her her sister's death and the mystery behind that like her going into the house and everything I'm like that that's a great plot point there but when you do get to Rachel Weister's turn I'm like I feel like there should be more of like some type of true resolve here instead of like you can't just to have dead girl monologue you know look at the beauty that formed by us like I didn't

Starting point is 00:25:44 really feel like any of that was really forming throughout this entire journey, like this whole beauty of stuff and the, or even the, um, the gray of what they're talking about of, of like, yeah, there's pain, but look at the hope that, that endured and thrive. Like, really? Because I didn't quite feel, and unless I'm completely missing the point here, I didn't quite get this, like this, this, this melancholic feeling, bittersweet feeling. that the movie was trying to convey at the very end here of yeah like that it just did the beats did not quite hit it for me there but like I like the intensity of the moment when the daughter's has broken in but then again like when when the mom returns in the movie decides like just pump the brakes on this like intense moment yeah I hated that melodrama and and that's how some of it just kind of reads is like melodrama without any true emotional weight underneath. it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:45 And the movie just kind of kept me in conflict through so much of it because I was like, oh, you're like, you're almost right there piercing the veil for me, which you haven't quite quite done it. Yeah. You're almost there. But you keep cutting around. You keep, once we're at one scene, we move on from that scene to go to your other. The juxtapositions would not complement each other a lot of the time for me.

Starting point is 00:27:13 when I felt they should have between here's the very real world, here's the fantasy world. And that's why I think little things, like weird British guy with feeling not real works against the movie when I think the movie's trying to have like, okay, are we supposed to see, are we only supposed to be seeing this guy from Salmon's girl's perspective? and that's why she sees him as this dude out of like a straight up like a fantasy movie kind of guy and then other strange girl by the sinkhole this movie felt like it's trying to have its cake and eat it too a little too much like I don't mind a movie that could be self-indulgent or a little bit preachy or a little overly sentimental I really don't mind that I can be a sucker for corny shit I really can be and to me that a lot of it was ringing a little too hollow but i have to keep bringing it back to like i don't want it to commit like i hated the film because i didn't and nor what i say i disliked it it was just like

Starting point is 00:28:24 oh whatever there was a great movie here that i feel like i could have walked out of being like this was great and whatever it's flawed but i i still had the feels and i'm like but the movie didn't even really give me the feels yeah it did when they were in the heaven part but i think what this thing is as if they went the girls came back. Yeah, when the girls came back that was great. But I feel like this movie played if you put everybody in a room, they were arguing

Starting point is 00:28:50 against beautiful imagery and staying grounded and real, feeling the actual pain of the people in this experience and then beautiful imagery. But stay grounded. We want to believe this. I think that when we first get

Starting point is 00:29:06 into where Stanley Tucci's in the bathtub and she's screaming and he's like dirty. That's as far as I thought we would get of like, oh, this is a nice metaphor. We don't have to show him and what he did to do her. Maybe we just get to, she screams and now she's, she's taken away and we know that she's like dead and then it'll bring us back to real life and what everyone is experiencing. But I think with the beautiful imagery, we throw the boyfriend guy into The whatever, the guy that she liked that gives her the kiss, he is like a beautiful, he's not real and grounded to me.

Starting point is 00:29:44 There's no one in high school. There is no boy who just like, will walk up to you and speaks that way and is quoting Shakespeare and leaves you a note about it. I just don't think that that is real to me. So that was the first thing that threw me off. It doesn't feel real in this world. What? It does not. And the rest of it was real and it was grounded.

Starting point is 00:30:06 with the family until we got to beautiful imagery land, which I understand, and it's as though they had to loop that in of beautiful imagery or grounded, put beautiful imagery of this guy he likes Shakespeare, he likes Cethel, he's gonna, he's different. But I'm like, yeah, but is he real? Can we make him real so I'm not thrown off the scent of like,

Starting point is 00:30:27 is this guy a fake? Like even the girl that sees things that are not seen, she still felt real and grounded to me. Like I believe it. When she turns around, She feels the ghost running by her and she discovers the note. That all felt real and grounded to me.

Starting point is 00:30:41 I don't know why he was so ethereal. It threw me off a little bit. But overall, the special effects were gorgeous and all of the actors did a phenomenal job in keeping it very engaged, as well as the camera angles and the camera moves, especially when it's being handheld and a little frenetic. And then there's one part when she walks into Stanley Tudy's house

Starting point is 00:31:04 and it seems like monster handheld. Like it seems like a wider, like there's a huge person holding the camera and the handheld is like this. Like it feels it was very, it was something that I hadn't seen before and I like that effect that they used. They used a lot of different ways

Starting point is 00:31:24 to convey this story a lot with like special effects, camera moves, music, the acting, the coloring, all of it. it's again like I said beautiful imagery or grounded this and you kind of it was a little teeter totter back and forth but overall um I did you know really enjoy this movie there were some party I you heard me all about it with the sister coming in and you're not to scream my my sister's hairs in this book this guy killed like I don't care that mom's back that bugged me but uh apparently this is based off a novel so maybe that's the way it's in the novel maybe the novel maybe the

Starting point is 00:32:02 novels maybe a lot of this works better in a novel than it does it a two hour film yeah i don't know that's that's all i got to say about it i enjoyed it you already heard the things that i maybe didn't agree with uh i had i had a good time overall i'm like a 6.5 out of 10 on it yeah i would agree it's really just the middle that threw it off because i was looking at the clock a little bit at an hour in 21 yeah and and i was like wait this movies two hours and 15 minutes and I felt that last kind of that last hour there until we got the last 20 minutes was a little bit so six and a half is I think is is a good one because of that but it doesn't just let me say that it doesn't deter me from being like oh this is beautifully

Starting point is 00:32:53 shot a lot of good things that they did and the actors I enjoyed it but I agree with that rating and that's it that's all all right well we love you guys so much leave a like leave a comment get on the patreon if you haven't already tell us how cool we are we love you so much happy holidays all the good things and we will see you what okay danger i don't know what's going on here i might not be here the next video because he's got plans for me we love you so much and we will see you on the next one bye

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The Reel Rejects - THE LOVELY BONES (2009) MOVIE REVIEW - FIRST TIME WATCHING

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