The Reel Rejects - THE PATRIOT (2000) MOVIE REVIEW!! FIRST TIME WATCHING!!

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Starting point is 00:01:41 I love your guys as support, and we love you so much. Should we watch the Patreon? Is there anything else you have to say? No, I'm not the greatest expert on the finer details. Me neither. You know, and there's certainly the looming mel. But let's just get into it and let's see what the movie has off. Let's do it.

Starting point is 00:02:00 not one product placement in this movie no we got to catch up for that yeah there's a movie there's a there's a what is it state in main i think it's called it's it's uh it's like a david mammitt like movie okay it's one of those movies where you're like oh yeah playwright definitely wrote this yeah um but yeah they're doing some kind of period piece and it's like one of those you know kind of there's a bit of like you know showbiz inside baseball you of quality of the movie and they're making some period piece and they're forced into a position to take money from a computer company and somehow like work it into a scene as a billboard in like a time where computers don't exist. So like yeah. What? Yeah. I love David Mammon. I've

Starting point is 00:02:47 not seen that. Yeah. Yeah, I do. He's got a early Julius Stiles. It's got Alex Baldwin I think is in it. I need to get on that game. Yeah. But anyway, the Patriot. Anyway, the Patriots. I mean I wow give Mel Gibson an Oscar I hope that this was nominated he did some brilliant acting I really I know nothing I was a sleep yeah as an actor I mean that man is a brilliant actor he's a brilliant actor I mean as we know the there's some bad juju on him now but I'm saying just for this and for this film as an actor yeah great job and great direction every shot was just beautiful. They did so many golden hour sunset time shots. And I don't know if that, if they were able to time it up and it's mixed with special effects, but that takes a lot of work. To be able to just get that shot, you have very limited to time and you better be like on it. And I always am like hats off to shots that and movies that do that and can pull it off and make it look gorgeous. And they do that in all of these shots. And in the, even in the,

Starting point is 00:03:59 all of it overall even in the the battle i mean i was like intense it was tense and in the emotional moments the time where they let us like have a breather but it was i felt all of the things it was just so terribly sad when his son dies oh yeah both times both times i mean all of it i love this film i get i think it's sad i've gone this long without seeing it sure yeah like and i mean You know, I, there's a, I think war movie of any variety is like a pantheon of, you know, stories and, and especially as it pertains, you know, any war movie about your own country's history kind of occupies like a special sort of lane, I feel like, kind of unique within the greater realms of cinema and all that. But especially a war movie that's like about the formation of your country and all that. And I feel like revolutionary war especially isn't one of the better trotted. Like, you know, there are a lot of World War II movies or Vietnam movies.

Starting point is 00:05:03 I feel like there are a few, definitely a few very notable Civil War movies. Yeah. But, you know, like World War I in recent years, I feel like has been getting more attention with films like 1917 and other stuff, you know, kind of going back to that time. But especially the revolution, at least to my knowledge, feels like one of the less explored. Yeah. Like, you know, there's Barry Lyndon. And there's the Kubrick movie, but even that, I feel like, is a different beast from something

Starting point is 00:05:29 like this that, yeah, like, I'm so fascinated because, yeah, like, it does feel kind of like a quintessential, I don't think heavily in terms of national, I don't have a very nationalistic lens on things. Yeah. But as, you know, an American, this does kind of seem like a movie that, you know, if you're thinking about art that pertains to just what that means. Like, this does seem quintessential to that and like an essential viewing experience. And it's funny that, you know, Roland Emmerich is, I believe, like a German guy.

Starting point is 00:06:03 Oh. You know, and I'm fascinated that he was the one to direct this. Not, I mean, in some parts, that's kind of a beautiful thing that encapsulates the American spirit is, you know, it could be anybody from anywhere who made this. Right. But I'm curious to know what brought him to the project and if he was like passionate about this or what because, yeah, I thought this was so knowing his name because of big blockbuster action fair. I haven't seen all of Pearl Harbor, but Michael Bay gets dogged a lot for Pearl Harbor because that was his big attempt at making something like this, something grand and epic and dramatic, but that also plays to his strengths as an action. action director and whatnot, and this definitely felt like, I feel like you brought up Spielberg

Starting point is 00:06:54 or somebody earlier on, and this felt like more akin to like a Spielberg type of dramatic epic where, yeah, it's got the swell and there are certain moments that do have that element of heart or that element of spectacle even, but it's not, like, the one scene in the woods where, you know, the three of that. that establishes the ghost, sort of the ghost story of him, you know, as this, you know, unstoppable, he's everywhere sort of figure. That's the only, like, sequence in the movie that felt like it was from kind of a cut of blockbuster cloth because he's out here with the axe and the knife and he's

Starting point is 00:07:35 going back and forth. Yeah. And, like, you know, that one, like, John Wickish moment aside, like so much of this, yeah, felt really well observed and there were so many great details in the performances. and the production values, and again, what feels certainly like a lot of attention to historical detail. I'm sure details are moved around and whatnot.

Starting point is 00:07:57 But, yeah, like, this really felt like a film and an epic. And I think especially when you're in subject matter in this kind of territory. Yeah. I don't know. I think it does beg. There's, like, an interesting quality that will happen in a movie like this when it's working where, man,

Starting point is 00:08:14 you really do feel like all of the craftsmanship. and the time it's like you were mentioning all these magic hour shots and stuff like that which yeah you have to really be on your game in terms of all that's got to be exposed right you got to have everyone ready at a very specific moment in the day and that

Starting point is 00:08:31 but also it is one of the few films where I've ever had this thought of like yeah I get why days on set are like 18 hours long sometimes because you look at some of these moments and you're like the camera blocking and movement seems very intentional this is one of those movies

Starting point is 00:08:46 You watch, like in film school. You watch it. That's probably a requirement. I would bet. But also, like, you know, especially in cinematography class, we would be sitting around, there would be projects where you would have to take scenes and break them down and, you know, identify every shot and what the intent is. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:03 And, you know, kind of the meme of that in school is sort of like, I'm sure some of these were just like, I put the camera somewhere we need coverage. Right. But you watch a movie like this and you're like, I really believe that they composed every shot. I agree. Every lens was chosen distinctly. Every lighting choice. All these smoke plumes must have been.

Starting point is 00:09:21 Like, I'm sure there were happy accidents too. Sure. But, uh, but, uh, but yeah, this, it's like we have such great production values and, and such great, uh, potential for all the things we can realize with all the tools we have now. Yeah. But watching something like this really does feel like you amassed a ton of people's time and care and resources to craft this thing that, yeah, like, I don't know. It, it definitely feels like a.

Starting point is 00:09:46 like a big old piece. Yeah, like a huge big piece. And I really like the fact that, you know, Mel Gibson's character, he's a true patriot before. He's broken in the beginning because of his wife. He loses his wife. And he's not really being the greatest dad to his kids. He's like broken. And the thing that pieces him back together is returning to that patriotic nature of who he is,

Starting point is 00:10:12 which is why we see it in his son's blood. It's like, and then it pays off in the end that he is the true patriot. And that is why his son and his sons are like, it's just in their blood. That's just what runs in the family. And even though he tried to hold back to say, I have a family now, so I can't do it. It's like it comes back to Biden. But in all the best ways, because he ended up being the leader that I think he's probably was always meant to be, right?

Starting point is 00:10:43 the patriot that they all needed to, sure, win, but also a little bit to win himself back. To be able to taste a bit of that glory that is heaped upon him due to that whole, what was it, the battle at wilderness or whatever, that memory of his where he's seen as a hero, even though they did these atrocious things, you know, in order to secure that victory. And the constant questioning of like, how far is too far, what death is justifiable, what cruelty, is permissible and when. And yeah, like even that, you know, him having obvious shame and trauma about his actions of the past, regardless of, you know, the greater, you know, good they might have achieved

Starting point is 00:11:27 in whatever context for the country. Like, you know, I could absolutely see his apprehension, you know, especially with his son's eager to run off to war, eager to fight for something I believe in. And I think it's a nice thing that doesn't need to be fully articulated in dialogue. But yeah, it's like, oh, these. things about yourself that you're afraid of, you manage to pass along to your kin in a way that elevated them. And it's that thing he says of, yeah, like, you know, our sons, my sons, are the better men, were the better men. Yeah. They were able to take our, learn from our

Starting point is 00:11:59 failings and learn from our, you know, atrocities and whatever else, and our triumphs, all that stuff. Yeah. Especially when his son is like, it's my duty. He had a duty to follow and you don't really get that sense of moral code and it has to come from what you've been taught. And I loved also that, you know, when the sons get involved and they're a good shot in that beginning fight, that was wild. That was some John Wick juice that I love. I mean, that was so awesome and that the kids are like, he's taking them out. He didn't miss a shot. And it's terrible to sure throw him in there. And the younger kid just looks terrified and crying. But like, you know, that it does, even though he didn't come off in the beginning as like the best dad. He's kind of broken, probably a little absent.

Starting point is 00:12:45 He misses his wife. That he still spent time with his kids that time. He had to have trained them, right? Of like, here's how we're going to defend ourselves. And that's the way that he could show being a father. But then at the end, especially when they like see him kiss the lady and they kind of look up and they're like, oh. And then especially at the end end when they all arrive together. You see him in a different light, a different fatherhood light because what he was fighting for the whole time was you're meant to stay here with me. We are a family. I don't want you to go back out there. I don't want you to live my past life. But you do have to learn to let people make their own independent decisions, you know, and his children, they made theirs. And they're,

Starting point is 00:13:31 you know, he's living with those consequences and so are they. But I think at the end, we're seeing a true of like his, his life and his home that he wanted. And now, because we learned in the beginning, his slaves were not slaves. They were free men and they were working. They were working the field that now at the end, it is all these people working kind of for a very great leader that inspired them.

Starting point is 00:13:57 Like he was the one that got them through it in that moment. And that is such a huge deal. And I would go to build that up because you would want to follow. someone like that and I and I think it's such a beautiful ending because I think just because he's a good fighter and a really good patriot and he did all this stuff in the past we we see now that like what he would really do is build a really beautiful town with people and bring more peace he doesn't want to go back to that but if he needs to he can rally yeah and I and I liked the the fact I mean

Starting point is 00:14:33 obviously this doesn't dissect so it's not a dialogue about it. every single, you know, contextual overlapping thing about the themes of the war. I mean, there's, I liked that they at least touched on all that stuff throughout. They didn't go deep into, especially like slavery and things like that. And there is that moment where you're teetering on like, oh yeah, we're going to build a much better future and people are being promised freedom. And we know that past this point in time, certainly those promises were not always delivered upon. Yeah. In most cases, a lot of cases, we're not delivered. Yeah. But, But I at least appreciated the way the movie handled, yeah, the different elements of who is fighting, why they are fighting, who is welcome, and what squabbles are happening here at home.

Starting point is 00:15:20 Oh, look up trivia while you're talking. Yeah, please. And it's in that kind of early thing that Ben says in that first gathering they're all having of like, you know, I want a free country for us. I believe that, you know, we have the right, you know, being so far removed from England and having such ideological differences, we have the right to. have our own space to, you know, set up a place based on our own ideals and beliefs. And, you know, I'm not willing to stoop to a certain level of cruelty to get that. And I'm also not eager to, yeah, install some kind of rule here that's going to be just as tyrannical or just as stifling as what we're trying to get away from. Like I like that they at least were always kind of keeping an eye on and an awareness of the true kind of intellectual struggle of all of this because there are so many ways in which it's like we justify deaths in the moment or we justify cruelty in the moment or we try to promise things that we're not going to deliver on to certain people just to make sure that we get the victory right here and now.

Starting point is 00:16:27 So yeah, even if this isn't like a treatise on all these themes, I thought it at least encompassed them well. And I think the only thing that doesn't really get brought up is the idea that like, because this is a story about the American Revolution and because this is about us, you know, kind of obtaining key strides toward the defeat of the, you know, British forces, you know, really spend much time about like us encroaching on the Native Americans or anything like that, you know, which I'm not saying the movie has to do. But, but yeah, like this, I thought, managed to be, again, rousing and epic and triumph of the human spirit and all. all that stuff. It managed to be compellingly historical. It managed to at least kind of touch upon a lot of the major themes of the struggle and the, you know, multiple ideas you have to be willing to hold it once and kind of understand all simultaneously the complications of the fight for a nation, what a nation is, our specific

Starting point is 00:17:21 history, all that stuff. Yeah. And then you have, yeah, certain little moments that do give you like a little audience reward of like, ah, here's a little moment of humor. Here's the moment that's kind of cool. and big respect also to the folks who had to play the various especially Jason Isaacs

Starting point is 00:17:36 like a lot of thankless roles and a lot of roles that you know the audience is going to be charged up against and I thought everybody on screen brought their A game and brought a lot of presents

Starting point is 00:17:47 like so many memorable characters and it's like you know I love that little thing with his daughter which is you know at first you know when he's saying goodbye it is sort of like a funny little like all you just said one word to her

Starting point is 00:18:00 You gave like a monologue to each of your other kids. Yeah. And like, you know, that is like a real thing of that. You can head canon and think about that and be like, oh, yeah. Like, no wonder their relationship is such that it is. And when they finally have like a true real exchange, which he runs after. Yeah. That's a beautiful thing.

Starting point is 00:18:17 Or like the Donald Logue character and the guy who's saving up for his freedom, you know, who's like, I'm going to get my year. I'm going to get paid. I'm going to get my freedom. That was a great moment. I've got something to work toward. And that's a thing that I think. especially in a movie like this could be because they go out of their way to say okay

Starting point is 00:18:35 Mel Gibson's character these are freedmen working for him so as an audience we can get on board yeah his the you know the auntie who he's getting with like she's got slaves and we don't really spend much time dealing with that so like there there are elements of that conversation that obviously are not as as fleshed out as they could be here yeah and that thing with Donald Logan and the, and the guy who was, who was, the names. Yeah. Not great with names in a movie like this. But those two could have been so cloying and hackneyed.

Starting point is 00:19:03 Like, that could have been very, uh, that could have gone wrong. Yeah, it could have been harsher. It could have been harsher and it also could have been like, okay. I, I, it could have been more saccharine than it struck me. Yeah. Or like overly melodramatic or something. Exactly. I thought it was just the right amount to like when he finally, like, it's clear he finally earned his respect and he turns he was like i am honored to be fighting with you it's like

Starting point is 00:19:27 we know again that history isn't going to carry that honor uh for a while but it will just there but but just and that's an important thing in the moment and and because of you know people like that willing to learn and to again you're fighting next to somebody for so long and you see the strength of their character like i thought yeah for the movie and for the spirit of what america's supposed to be that wound up complimentary and it was one of those things that developed in little bits over time so it didn't have to go hey look at this B plot you know like exactly it's just kind of happening and then when you realize it's tying itself up you're like oh cool well done it was welded in there really nicely yeah like whoever wrote this thing like yeah you've got the i'm gonna pull it up

Starting point is 00:20:11 i was also just going to say the line of like him saying how do men justify why do men feel like they can justify death. I felt like that adding in that line in the movie questioning itself was just speaks to like everything, right? It's a good like moral code that shows like

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Starting point is 00:22:45 He incorporated it into the movie just prior to the ambush scene. I was literally thinking about that. Just prior to it. Wow. That's crazy, right? So also, Heath Ledger didn't work for a year because he only got offers for teen heartthrob roles.

Starting point is 00:23:01 Don't we know it? He was about to quit acting and returned to Australia when he was cast in this film. Wow. Isn't that insane? Yeah, I can imagine that now. I remember this, yeah. I all this is filling in just like cultural context from way back when um I got sidebar this guy

Starting point is 00:23:20 wrote saving private Ryan so okay well then there we have it and did the story by for thor the dark world everyone's favorite Thor Andrew would love that all right he's I mean I love that okay now here's one for you oh this is me the historical accuracy of the costumes and settings was overseen by the Smithsonian Institution. Wowy. It was the first time the institution ever worked directly on the production of a movie. I believe that shit. That's why we were, remember, I mean, right off the bat, I was like costume design, what?

Starting point is 00:23:58 The first time that they ever did that was on this movie. That's insane. When he looked at the, I think it was the French guy. Somebody, there's an exchange where they're like, oh, this coat smells and he's like, yeah, somebody died in it. I'm like, maybe they really did. Maybe it's like an authentic coat you're wearing on screen right now. Actual amputees were cast to play soldiers who lost their limbs. Okay.

Starting point is 00:24:20 Okay, given work to the veterans. Sure. It would be nice for them to get some roles that aren't only that, but also I appreciate that they got the roles in an authentic way. Yeah. Okay. One of the red coats, which were actually dummies that is floating face down in the river after the trap is a dummy of just.

Starting point is 00:24:40 John Travolta. Yes. Yeah. Oh, they must have been just in the effects house. Just like, what bodies do we got on hand? Right. We got something from face off, throw it in here. It's so good.

Starting point is 00:24:51 Okay, let me see if I can find one more spoiler for you guys. Let's see. That one's kind of boring. Give me a second. If you find one that says like what Roland Emmerich had to say, let me know. I'm going to see if there's anything. See if you can find it. Um, yeah, I'm not, I'm not finding much more in here except that Heath Ledger said researching the American Revolutionary War for the film answered the question of why Americans waved their flag so high. It's because they went to hell and back to build their country. It was the last one I could kind of find. The rest of them are like long-ended, winded things. I've got, um, I've got a quote here. Okay, let's do it. I'm, I'm gonna, I want to make sure that it's from, uh, Roland,

Starting point is 00:25:40 Emmerich before okay okay no see that's why I didn't want to do that because yeah I googled why did emmerich decide to be the one to make this and that gave me a quote that was a really good quote but I'm like I also don't think that he grew up in Williamsburg I don't think he grew up in Virginia yeah either way though like I think yeah this this definitely lived up to its legacy most certainly and to you know the idea of like what it means to be a patriot what is patriotism What does that mean to you now is a charged up concept? And certainly, again, you know, when you do intermingle, you know, art and reality and you think like, oh, you know, knowing what we know about Mel Gibson's politics and some of his attitudes, it's interesting to see a character, at least, that is, again, you have to, I think, with a movie called The Patriot, have some kind of line that it's, yeah, it's about the spirit. It's about the true ideal of what this is.

Starting point is 00:26:37 and it's about a person who may be flawed but can overcome those flaws and has the necessary virtues and so yeah I thought as to go with that distinct striking title it makes sense why it would be that guy and it makes sense why I think it gets to hopefully

Starting point is 00:26:56 or at least verges on the better aspects of patriotism and the darker sides of patriotism without you know candy coating too much again I don't know much about the actual guy So I wonder what the rest of his story is. But they, you know, he's clearly got demons in the past and actions that he's ashamed of. And so, like, yeah. And there's that redemptive quality of America as well.

Starting point is 00:27:19 And the sort of weird collective, but also loners kind of thing where he does, you know, kind of have his own path in his own way. And he's kind of getting everybody on his program. But, uh, but yeah, this was a tour to force man. And it speaks to like the ordinary man, the family man. That's a very America. a thing where like he's a patriot but it's like he was you know before he wanted to stay in just in this home with his kids and live his life and that too and that's a great i guess we could talk about this all day but i guess the one last thing that comes to mind is the fact that we do

Starting point is 00:27:53 we're living in a moment now we're like as we're shooting this there's a war happening yeah like there are atrocities happening in the world right this minute and we are very far away from them And so there's only so much, especially just us down here on the ground can do. And what they directly touch upon here is that, yeah, this isn't, that whole monologue about this isn't going to be a war in some distant place that you can only theorize about. This is going to be a war that's marching through your town square. It's barming your house down. It's being fought everywhere that you might live or rest or do your work or whatever it is. And that's a thing that is super striking that many of us don't have to grapple with at all.

Starting point is 00:28:34 um that really does especially yeah this kind of thing where it's like you really feel that spirit of of of the necessity to act and and like yeah there's a lot at stake and the argument of you know it's like in certain places of the world in this time i think it's way easier to remove yourself and to over theorize various things whereas here it is the sort of like the future of how we live is at stake and we believe in this ideal and that constant thing of like, you know, those multiple scenes in churches or whatever where people are like, you know, and it's always the woman standing up being like, you guys talk about this all the time. Are you going to stand on this business? Or we're just going to talk about it and then let them roll, roll you over. Yeah. Like, plant their flag in you. Uh, you know, yeah. I think that that is the kind of thing you should be leaving with reflection on. And it's like, you know, if so many of these things didn't go the way they did, we would. be here in this form right now. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't for that girl standing up in the church. And I love that it was, you know, that, her to, to unite them. They probably would have been a little bit like, oh, this will never work. But then like all those guys stood up, you know,

Starting point is 00:29:49 and here, here we go. What have we been talking about all this time? Yeah. Yeah. When we're all just afraid. And two, it's about what you do in the face of that fear rather than just the fact that, you know, to quote another war movie. Oh, wow. Here he goes. Major Chip Hazard says in small soldiers, you know, we're all scared. You'd have to be crazy not to be scared. And, you know, that's a thing right there. You know, you've got to stand in the face of that fear. And that's a calling that we all have to grapple with in some way, shape, or form.

Starting point is 00:30:18 Hopefully you're not in a war ever. But sometimes that's the case or sometimes horrific circumstances of the case. And, yeah, are you the ideals versus the action are two different things that are always, there are two poles you've got to always be managing and bringing close together. Yeah, I agree. Man, the Patriot. Cinema.

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