The Reel Rejects - THE SUBSTANCE (2024) IS BAT**** CRAZY!! MOVIE REVIEW!! First Time Watching

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

REMEMBER YOU ARE ONE!! The Substance Full Reaction Watch Along: https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects Visit https://huel.com/rejects to get 15% off your order Download the PrizePicks today at https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/RE... & use code REJECTS to get $50 instantly when you play $5! John Humphrey and Tara Erickson dissect "The Substance," the shocking and body-horror infused 2024 film directed by Coralie Fargeat. Starring Demi Moore (Ghost, A Few Good Men) as Elisabeth Sparkle, a fading fitness icon, and Margaret Qualley (Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Maid) in a dual role as the younger, idealized version of herself, the film plunges into the terrifying consequences of a radical new beauty treatment. We explore the film's brutal commentary on societal pressures and the extreme lengths people go to chase youth and perfection. From the unsettling transformation sequences to the intense psychological unraveling, this reaction delves into the film's most disturbing and thought-provoking moments. The cast also features Dennis Quaid (The Right Stuff, The Parent Trap) in a pivotal role. With its blend of visceral horror, biting satire, and stunning performances, "The Substance" delivers a truly unforgettable and unsettling cinematic experience. Join us as we react to the body horror that has everyone talking. Follow Tara Erickson: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@TaraErickson Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/taraerickson/ Twitter:  https://twitter.com/thetaraerickson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yeah, great special effects. They should be awarded something for all of everything because wow, oh, wow. Yeah, but they must be nominated. I can't imagine with as many noms as this movie has. It have to be, right? That's insane. We just got done. If you listen to Apple or Spotify, I just got done watching.

the substance oh boy just give us five-star writing leave a comment leave it like you know do all the things um so how do you feel now like how do you feel right now after watching that john i have watched a couple of especially bonkers movies today for totally different reasons yep and each of them involved a lot of fluids and functions and things and uh wow oh they got a whole thingy for the doubles here and a special voice for the substance itself that's funny oh wow uh yeah this was oh wow there's so many sorry they're like dancer i'm glad they're given so much credit to all these performers i feel like they had a deceptive amount of performers in this movie this was yeah I certainly feel being transported through these experiences today.

This experience just now has been kind of fascinating. And yes, I feel like I need a breath. I know. I've done a lot of laughing and, you know, recoiling and, you know, cringe screaming and everything in between. Yeah. This was very striking. And I absolutely see how and why it has been so, you know, prominent. in the conversation since it dropped

and I mean certainly this is the kind of movie that would very much appeal to a viewer like me you know I love a good descent into madness body horror side like I can't remember what I used to call it

there's like a subtle kind of sci-fi that's like it's just has this one sci-fi conceit and the rest of it is like pretty grounded beside that it has its own like Or it's, you know, it's not like constant sci-fi stuff. No, it's just like a nick above the normality.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just sign up for this program, this dubious program of, you know, mysterious origin. And you either follow the rules or crazy shit happens. And yeah, this was really striking and composed. And, you know, from top to bottom, just the style of it is certainly very permeating. And I thought they did a nice job of directing the POV. and creating this tone of of yeah like manic sad angry desperation uh and two i mean like very striking performance like you know every department of this is is firing on all the cylinders

and you know for demi more first and foremost to be willing and and able to throw herself like this is the role you got throw yourself into and to go from like the full you know the full descent you see her you know at the beginning when she's still you know maybe not at the height of her of her fame and her you know public adoring adulation uh but certainly you know she's beautiful and she's doing her thing and she's you know on the morning fitness show whatever and then by the end yeah she's just in this crazy monstrous makeup and just the shades of her personality and and the lonely sort of vulnerable stuff she had to do because you know there's only so much dialogue and there's a lot of time she spends on her own and I really felt for her and it's it's interesting because again like it feels a lot more wide scoping than it is necessarily like there's only a handful of locations only a handful of like really prominent characters and yet you really feel this constant debate slash battle this this like absent battle that they're both fighting with each other.

and yeah like the way all the substance stuff is worded is very loaded about like you know appreciating the experience and you know you are one you know this this constant urging to like make sure that there's some level of harmony yeah it's almost like you guys got to like leave a like leave a notepad or a computer where you specifically like communicate to each other right something because so much of this yeah is about just running from yourself running from time and age and circumstance and and there's so much about it that is born of like the unfair and sad fickle nature of society and entertainment and and you know beauty and fashion and all that stuff and uh and yeah you know it's it's it's it's fascinating because i expected this to be a roller coaster i expected

this to be kind of wild and gooey and gross and icky but it is like kind of heartbreaking too constantly and the way they and the last thing i'll say before i pass the line i really thought it was interesting how they i thought this was going to do something where we're like really in both their perspectives and you are in Sue's perspective to a degree but I feel like you are most in her shoes and identifying with her

when shit's going real bad and it's like for the first chunk of the movie you feel like the person you got to know is Demi Moore and Sue feels like this outside you know anti increasingly antagonistic sort of foreboding presence

and then you have this sad deer thing at the end you know that's like an amalgam of the two of them but even deeper down the rabbit hole like it's interesting it's interesting what yeah it's like it's kind of like how much okay so from my perspective you know this is it's in l. it's like for for most women it's like it's true you turn 30s 40s it's like you still work but like really you're just like when you get out of 20s it's like you're almost like a dinosaur in the business it's not totally true but it's a little bit true. You're the fun neighbor. Yeah, it's, it's wakadoo. It's wild out here. Um, but I think that this

story is so intriguing because it's like how much youth would you be willing to give up to reverse time to take back time? Meaning she has to give up more of her youth, even if she's 50. She has to go back and be like, here's more of me. I'm going to turn 60 and 70 in order to reverse time. Like there's that the juxtaposition of that is Wackadoo Wild because everyone who's using the substance knows that if they, which I'm sure they all tested it, that if they go a day over, the other, the counterpart just keeps getting more and more destroyed. You're taking more youth from that. You're killing yourself.

Yeah. Basically to have this life. And I do think that there are a lot of people who get so close to the, like killing yourself over being perfect and beautiful and getting back to your past and getting to how you looked when you were in this magazine when you were 25. It's really hard. Like when you're fighting age, everybody has to do that. And I think that the reminder in this is like you are one. It doesn't like, it's age is going to catch up with everyone. And you can remember your younger herself, which is like when she becomes the monster, she's like, it's still me, which it is like

you're going to, when you get older an age and it's like, you're viewing yourself as like, oh my God, especially when she's like dealing with the lipstick and nothing seems good enough because she remembers that the young like supple self and she just can't get over it. It's such a wild ride and it goes to the most extreme point where she turns into a monster because she sacrificed so much just to keep that youthful side because she doesn't feel good enough. She doesn't feel wanted. And that's what this business, like, does.

In a big way, I really appreciate this movie for highlighting it. I know they're doing it in an extreme horror way. And I thought that it was brilliant. But a lot of the story underneath this, this stuff exists with people just in general. so I in her being like the monster at the end there's just like there's a lot of people that when you're you're aging and you get to a certain point you just kind of feel hopeless but in her saying it's still me it is still it's still you you just have to hopefully not hopefully not sell your soul and get on a substance I thought that I just thought the message of like you're you're giving away part of your youth to reverse time to become youthful again right there's there's that's what this is kind of and following that story i thought was really really beautiful because they grounded it really well where i agree with you

and the point of view of dem you more we sort of we feel from her right from the top right get this woman out of here she's 50 she's been working and you feel her legacy when we walk through the hallway it's filled with her all of her hard work this is her she this is she's built this place right she probably pays for everyone in that, it has a job because of her. And then all of a sudden she becomes very inconsequential. And when you become inconsequential in your life, like you don't, yeah, sure, I'll take substance and like just anything else, right? And then I like when we see her younger that we haven't filled the hallway yet because

we just haven't earned it. And that that's another, I think, with the point of view. you were there with her. The younger self, she just didn't earn our heart because we knew like our heart kind of lied within Demi. And then at the end,

that's why it breaks with her of like when it's like, it's still me. That's so sad. When she's like, it's still me. Yeah. Sad.

Yeah. When I'm like, yeah, that self hate and the way that, you know, there's that element of chasing youth and like the things like, you know,

here and now in, reality you can do a lot you can employ a lot of substances to attempt yeah to freeze yourself in time or to make yourself look younger and you can't like sometimes it works if you do it right and if you balance it out you know there's good work out there but sometimes you turn yourself into uh some sometimes it doesn't work out and and and you're wearing that everywhere and you know and you know everybody has a different story everybody has a different feel on that but yeah i can see how, you know, that ultimate admission of like, I need you because I hate myself and there's like a lot wrapped up in that because it's like the her of the here and now, the current day,

the Matrix Elizabeth, you know, hates her current, you know, form, but also you wonder if, you know, it's always, if there's always been a self-hater. Like sometimes you drive yourself, like to reach the heights that she had, you know, up until the point. She was, you know, foisted from the pedestal. You know, you have to wonder a lot of times, not all the time, but sometimes that can come from never feeling good enough, and especially in a spotlight, you know, you, yeah, you might have the beauty and the bod and all the kind of zap and verve

and the, you know, electricity that makes people light up. But you can still hate yourself in and around that. And it's, yeah, this sort of grappling with, like, the image that I built. And there are multiple layers, like you got to, I think, as an actor, have to want to confront or at least sit with and hold some difficult truths and stuff. And, you know, I feel like some people would be game for this. Some people would back away from this because, you know, you have to acknowledge that, like, you have to be a person of a different stature and you have to have the age, you know,

to be the core of this movie and to confront the fact that, too, especially as a celebrity, as an actor, you're creating a persona that is given to the world, the world forms its own association with and you know that means different things both in like a public scenario how like the normal interaction she has people are like Elizabeth Sparkle yeah you know people are bringing you their stuff and sometimes you're in a place to hear that someplace sometimes you're not then behind the closed doors where the decisions get made you know you can really feel yeah how how much of a cog you are to these dudes who are just parading around sort of like having a good time and lunching it up and And, you know, the movie doesn't do a neon sign about it, but it is like all these guys are like...

They're living off her. Like, Dennis Quaid's, like, you know, certainly is 50s or maybe 60s now. And, you know, like, it also highlights that side of things. It's like, you know, these guys who are sort of able to kind of play around and, you know, have their whims met at any fancy, you know, forever while she's stuck in this torture that is partly based on how society and, and again, the gaze works, but also is a very internal personal thing, too. And I like that, yeah, it's like you have, without it being, because they can't really communicate that much, you just get the sense of how they feel about each other when each other isn't around.

And so it's like there are certain, there are different parts of you and you can feel a certain way about parts of yourself. And then you can create circumstances for yourself and then like actually be upset at like the you that did that. And like there are sort of ways in which you can compartmental, you can compartmental. You can analyze your own mind in life. And this kind of transcribed, or at least to me, transcribed elements of that. And, yeah, like, it works on multiple levels because it's that universality of, like, we all want to hang on to youth.

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plastic surgery when it's like gone too far right it's like a good example of like when people get addicted to it we've seen the stories where like they do turn themselves they're like i want to look like this person and then they they're like the doctors are just like okay this is a bad idea but i'll keep going because that's what you want is a laissez-faire baby exactly give me the money um and i just feel like this movie does a really good job of just highlighting a lot of shite that goes down in los angeles and i'm not in in not even just l.A but and i but i know l.A. is mainly pictured here but in in cities where vanity and how you were like this is the only thing that people like about me she says that and she's trying to um what was i was going to say regurgitate nope

she's giving CPR after she tries I was saying regurgitating there was a lot of regurgitation in the movie to be fair good Lord that that part had me but anyway she's when she's crying out saying this is the only thing that people

like about me I need you and that is such a statement that is what it's so hard because if you really think about Hollywood and L.A and you even think about magazines it's like who wore it best who has the best makeup what's the dress look at them on the red carpet who looks the most beautiful oh my god

who who did like her it's all vanity right that that's what this town is and really what it's based upon yes it's change you don't have to be exactly perfect or look like them to get a job but it still surrounds everybody in in this business and i think that this film did a good job of just like yeah that's how it is but of course taking it to the extreme which is why when it gets to the end you can sort of laugh at it like this is this is crazy we get what they're trying to do but um it's still underlying there's a lot of truth to it and i liked i just liked where they took it but i will tell you i wanted to throw up multiple times this was really hard to watch which is great um the amount of of special effects prosthetics and makeup i just

just want to just take all of my money you get all the awards um for real and the thing that really got me and that i love is a good callback or when we can start and we end right where we began which is at that star um i really like that and i like that you know her last sort of viewing before she just turned into just blood and so into her star what were those palm trees and like the stars and like it was such a i don't know it's such like a weird la hollywood moment and we had a lot of those in this right we would we would have the palm trees at night and they're swang and it's ominous then we'd have them in the day and it looks pretty and then we're running and panicking the palm trees are just like you know what i

mean there's there's they did a good job of incorporating a lot of small things that the filmmaker and the producers are obviously very aware of that subconsciously are gonna clock in your brain and that's what makes good filmmaking. Yeah, the sunsides and the shadow sides and stuff and too, like the way she says that thing on the interview show,

which is one of the few times they get to sort of, besides when they actually face to face with each other, like they sort of get to interact. Yeah. Because it's the kind of movie too where like you can see any number of stories you could tell in this,

premise. Yeah. But it feels like the right. You're probably trying to do trivia. Keep talking. Yeah, I was trying. You know, there's multiple stories. You could do a ton of stuff with this. And this feels like a very apropos thing to have chosen. It's like sometimes you see a movie or a premise or even like a sequel to something. You're like, that's a version, but it's not like the version. And this feels like the version of this. And there's that moment where she's on TV. And they're like, what's your question we always ask you, best beauty secret? Yeah. And that whole thing about like, I just trying to be, you know, genuine and be myself and like and love myself. You know, that very, that answer that you, it's like the answer that should be true, but you know that like half the people out there. It's like the same way like people are like, what's your number one fitness tip for like these dudes who are like clearly juicing, as you would say. Yeah. And they're like, oh, you know, just eat 100 chickens a day and just like really dedicate yourself

to the gym. And you're like, there's more to it than that. Right. And, and yeah, like it's, yeah, it's interesting. and for Sue to feel like this outside person. It is interesting to watch the whole theme and the flashes they'll throw up of like, you are one and this sort of tragedy of the fact

that like, yeah, it is in a very basic reading just sort of like the, yeah, you need to incorporate your shadow side, the things that you're self-conscious about are afraid of about yourself or that you don't like, you need to, yeah, fuse them. And you're like, this whole time you're like, man, you both could have a good life. If you just left each other some sticky notes

and encouraged each other a little bit. And then yeah, too, just the transformation in a, this is a more broad macro idea, but how she goes, you know, we watch this beautiful person turn into like a literal, like, witch lady with like the big gray hair and like the, you know, that like half the face is all like messed up. And she's got like the, like the hag finger at one point. And like, you know, she's in the kitchen, like concocting shit. Yeah.

You know, and it's like it's interesting because that's that plays into, you know, the further back annals of the way our weird relationship with, yeah, age and just women in all of culture forever and, you know, and youth and virality and stuff like that. Like it's, yeah, there's a lot of fun loaded imagery and you wonder, it's like you don't have to. Like, I don't ever need a prequel to this where they're like, where did the substance come from? What is it made of? Who made it? Oh, God.

But there are just like a fascinating number of like, who is this doctor? this nurse guy like what is his what's his story and and has anybody out there gotten a hold of this shit and managed to have it to have it work to appreciate it you know because they're both not listening over the phone and they're both demanding what they want and there's a certain amount of flow and acceptance that you have to incorporate if you're going to make anything work substance or no right yeah i agree with you okay so listen there's a great actor that was actually cast in this film but died and Dennis Quaid took his

place. Who do you think that is? Oh my. Yeah, he died in 2022. Was it like a sudden unexpected kind of thing? I think maybe a little bit. He's older, same age. It's going to be a hard one. I wouldn't guess it.

Who died? William Hurt? No. You wanted to have one more guess? Sure. How about Tony Todd? He didn't die in 2022. No. It starts with an R. raw raw this is fun like all the r names are alive ra ra ra ra raeiotta wouldn't have been good i could totally see that 100% wow i could 100% see dennis quade like was clearly having a good time i would be fascinated to know how he got aboard this project yeah just knowing the not even in a horrible way just like knowing who dennis quade is out in life i'm curious is how he wound up here but i could totally see really owed it 100% also So the director still thanks him in the notes during the credits for Ray Liotto, which I think is very lovely. You were right that her breasts in the movie are not her own.

Their prosthetics, design by the French makeup artist, Pierre Aliverr, per sudden. Well done, Pierre. Yes. Who designed the boob ball? Right? Like, tell us all about it. Or don't, because I can't. So it says in the film, Elizabeth Sparkle turned 50, how old.

do you think Demi Moore was filming this when she was filming this? Hmm. Ooh. Oh, I don't know. I feel like I'm in a trap now. Oh, yeah.

No, I said it earlier. She was 60. I was going to say, I feel like she was 60. She's 60. And I'm still stunned at how great she likes. That's cool. That A, that's cool because A,

that means you're doing well for yourself. But also, like, you know, I passed a certain age. I imagine dudes are cast 10 years. younger all the time and I never would have guessed so yeah that's nice I never would have guessed either so she was Demi Moore was nervous about filming nudity at her age and she felt very vulnerable but Margaret Quali who was 29 at the time of filming portrayed a younger version of her character right made her feel very comfortable on set I'm not I don't know if I'm saying but Margaret also performed totally naked coincidentally Quali's uh they keeps quoting quality quality's mother Andy McDowell Andy McDowell's her Oh, co-starred 40 years earlier with Demi Moore and St. Almost Fire. Oh, wow. It was just a career-making film for both of them.

That's insane. Wow, that's like kind of kismet. I'm going to have to see St. Elmo's Fire. Oh, my God, me neither. That's great. I love that. So in several interviews, Demi Moore said that reading the script for this movie, you might have heard the script of Ghost,

because the chance that it could be amazing or disaster was the same. 100% that was crucial she got good judgment except the role she knows when to take the I'm sure I'm sure she's at a dud or something here there but those are two you know yeah well done good choice oh listen to this this is okay Demi Moore was not the director's first pick what during a meeting in Paris more gave Fargo a copy of her 2019 memoir which then convinced Fargo to cast her due to its depiction of her relationship to her body during the early and peak years

of her film career. I would be fascinated to take a look at that. Wild. Wild. That would be, yeah. Oh my. Right? I'm going to have to take a look at that. Interesting. I mean, yeah, you have to have that. Like, that makes sense.

Like, you bring that in. You've got to be yeah, willing to be vulnerable and to have that conversation with yourself as part of the art. So like, damn. That's cool. though too that she like threw the shot and was like hey I got like she really wanted this yeah like here you go let's do this um so how many times do you think how many takes do you think she did for that mirror sequence that had to be a oneer that had to be one take a hundred takes

15 takes for each scene and at the end of the day her face was raw oh where she's like doing the makeups and stuff that scene oh boy she was going at it too she was going at it 15 and you saw her rip her freaking i like that's wild to me that's wild to me um oh my god how how many pounds of shrimp did dennis quaid eat in that scene oh my god this will be i'll read one more after this one how many pounds five pounds oh that's still a the lotish that's Oh, what is ruined. That scene too. Oh, my God.

What a metaphor of that. Okay, this is the last one. I think it's really fun. Director Fargo, I don't know if I'm saying your name right. Just come at me. Farja is what I hear people say the most. Director Farha personally operated the camera for the point of view shots. Cool.

Sometimes playing the character's body in the scene by wearing the appropriate costume. That is how a director comes through. because you know what? Otherwise, you've got to put, I've had to do a thing where you have to do POV and that means I would have to wear a helmet they connect a camera to it.

It's really hard on your shoulders and your back. And then they tell me to move and do things, right? This is what I'm talking about. The director comes through. I love you. That was very cool.

I love you. I loved all of this. I thought it was fantastic. I'm glad it's been nominated for a bunch of things. I know Demi won, I think a Golden Globe for this. She's been nominated for an Oscar.

I'm sure it's nominated for a bunch of other Oscar things. It's going to be the best picture. I have just, I've loved it. And I think it's an amazing, like, brava for cinema. Bravo for cinema. Yeah. Yeah, we've got to call that number. Get our lives change.

I know, right? Go get our locker, man. The substance. I'm like, do they only have enough spots for that many lockers? I know. How far reaching is this operation? There's only, like, nine lockers there. No, is it in multiple cities?

What if you don't live near the substance? I got to go. I'm going to get there first. Yeah. I've got to move my entire life. I got to move quick. I got to move quick. You got any last words before we get out of here?

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Yes, and X stands for xenogram. Documentary. That's definitely a word. And I'm sure that if you were going to make a film, it would probably be like a xenographic documentary about all the peoples of the world and places that they are living in. Ain't that the truth? A stands for Asteroid, like how you are smashing into us right now.

Oh, N stands for, no, Alexandria, don't smash into us. because we love you and we want to spend more time with you. D stands for Daredevil because we know that at night you practice law. Oh, and R stands for Raz Al-Gool

who I'm sure you trained with in your dark origin story to explain away those martial arts powers and heightened senses that you have. I stands for Icky the way I make you feel a stands for uh adamant because because you're adamant uh you know you don't give up

easily on your goals and the things that you think are important you see them through and we could all learn something from that wow damn john that was very impressive hey alexandria hope you stick around because these are just going to get more polite and more pg as we progress throughout 2025. Happy patron of the day.