The Reel Rejects - These Marvel Leaks Are Out Of Control (Avengers Doomsday)

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Starting point is 00:01:03 More on them in just a bit. Coy, it's been kind of a crazy day. It's a crazy day. I'm ready to let out everything today. Yeah? Via... Discourse. Discourse and Marvel Weeks.

Starting point is 00:01:17 And what else do we have on here? Scream 7 News and Vin Diesel with a Groot movie. A personal one I want to do is the Last of Us 3. The main topic at hand, though, will be these Marvel. Marvel leaks talk about it in the way of how people probably aren't expecting us to talk about. Or maybe they are. Let's see how well they know us by this point. It's going to be a long part of today's conversation.

Starting point is 00:01:40 Before we go into that, though, there's something that I do feel we have to acknowledge right up front. I'll start with saying this. I really believe that all of us here at Real Rejects do what we do because we just love movies and shows so much. I feel like they shape our identities completely. Yeah. And I think that's the way it is with so much of our audience who watches us. And I feel like there's the sort of like ESPN way or wrestling way of how we are when it comes to like disagreements or trying to tell someone they're wrong or whatever or something like that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:17 And I feel like what we care about is being able to just have conversations again. And sometimes that comes in the form of emitting elements of where you might have been wrong and being able to. to listen to our audience from time to time as well. And we were talking about this a few days ago because last week we kicked this off with talking about Disney release dates. Yeah. And we were speaking about the and or release dates

Starting point is 00:02:40 and how we were super opposed against them. I'm not exactly like a big champion for them right now. It's possible for things to not be black and white. And I'm not exactly a big champion of it right now. However, there were points brought up in the comments where I was like, that's a really fair point that I did not think about or even consider yeah yeah the context of it was I still stand where we did but now I have more context for why people might think differently yes and even when

Starting point is 00:03:07 it comes to maybe Tony Gilroy himself being perhaps like a little bit more on board for why it might be okay to do that because it's a three episode arc because you could take your time like I completely forgot what we were talking about like oh yeah last season it was a three episode arc every every three yeah and I had forgotten too it's been three years. It's been a while. But I'm like, I'm a little bit back and forth and I'm like, I could actually see how that's justified that. Because it isn't, then it is kind of like an arcane situation. Yeah, which is what you described as what it wasn't like, but now with context. Yeah, exactly. So I get it. But I'm like, the other part of me, this is not to push back against

Starting point is 00:03:44 people who were being like a little, who were, because I feel like most people when they were pointing that out were actually respectfully disagreeing. Yeah. Which I'm so relieved to see. I'd rather see that in comments than like to hell with you guys, because that's all we want is to get. to a point where even though we're on camera and we're the ones talking, we're okay to be like, oh yeah, we actually didn't consider that. Thank you for pointing that out to us. I still think when we look back at Andor, it remained a part of the conversation as one of the successful things as part of Lucasfilm under the Kathleen Kennedy leadership because of how long it stayed in the conversation. And how it had time to grow an audience. I think a big part of what I have an

Starting point is 00:04:21 issue with is it wasn't a thing anyone was waiting for. No one was like, oh man, andor. And then three came out at once and people are like this is actually pretty great and then it was weeks like four five six it grew every week because it had time for people to talk about it now i get that's different for season two and i get that's going to be different for people coming in with anticipation because it has had three years but i think the precedent of releasing things in chunks is more when i'm speaking to that i don't think it's ever a better decision ever i i've never seen a show that i was like boy am i glad that's already over if i enjoyed it and i don't hate watch things so i've never watched a show and been like glad all those artists and everyone that dedicated years

Starting point is 00:04:59 their life to this got a week out of it it just doesn't make sense to me so i mean a movie is formatted to be a two to three to 90 minute whatever length time experience and that's another been a weird thing with like people like demanding certain movie times it's like the movie should be whatever length the story requires but that's a different design so comparing shows to movies i think is a big part of why streaming has been so messy is they don't know what works because it's so new, but the old TV model at least had longevity of experience. So that is more tested. I don't think the binge model has ever served a narrative better. I don't think I've ever seen something where I was like, I'm glad we're rushing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we've acknowledged

Starting point is 00:05:41 it. Yeah. And I appreciate everyone telling us the context, the ones that were respectful. I appreciate the context of why it could be 12 episodes in four chunks. Like that is something I hadn't considered. And maybe this will be the exception to the rule. But generally, I, I, I, I prefer my shows televised. So do I. I think Arcane was a bit of an odd duck and how like it's, but Arcane also has like, oh, it's the League of Legends animation adaptation, you know, where this was like another Star Wars show.

Starting point is 00:06:11 Right. That is just released. So we'll see. We'll see how it pans out. But if anything, that release date did make me go, I would love to have it come out and see if it still dominates the movie sphere or TV show sphere. Right. Because I would love for those comments to actually be right. I was talking beforehand. I feel like I can both be very cynical and be very optimistic about the same subject. Sure. It's because like, here's what I'm cynical about here. And here's what I'm very optimistic about here. And the comments weirdly as much as they were like, I disagree. It had me go, you know what? It's make as much as it's a disagreement, I found myself becoming more optimistic and at least leaning on that, a tab bit more. Then we're talking about cynicism and optimism. That's the main. subject at hand.

Starting point is 00:06:56 Speaking of Disney release. We've only talked in like little chunks off camera about it. Let's talk about this Marvel stuff with Avengers Dooms Day, Secret Wars, Fantastic for. Full disclaimer here, we're not going to be breaking down these images shot. I mean, I don't know the words that are just every frame at a time and everything like that. We're not going to. I mean, there might be some stuff that we do talk about. And I would just advise this.

Starting point is 00:07:22 There will probably be some spoilers that we might end up. going into so please leave the video if we happen to mention something because I've only seen I haven't seen the images so I don't know if you're going to be spoiling stuff for me any images I've blocked everyone that posts them you haven't seen a single image okay I've seen I've seen the colors like when I see the shape I go block what about the one I mean you must know there's like a doom image out there I know that there's a comic that I love that is reference but I haven't seen the image I've read that oh oh this is going to be a fun conversation Okay. Yeah. I'm the double blind for you. Then I will definitely, this will be fun to talk about.

Starting point is 00:07:58 Okay. I love the challenge. Yeah. Because I have friends that are on social media that I am, man, I'm going to totally like expose myself here. We're about to piss off some of our friends. Yeah. I have a lot of friends muted so that I can stay friends with them. Yeah. Because I need to follow them for friendship because that's 2025. But I know people that I actually respect have posted them, but they were already muted. So I didn't need to block them because they don't. been muted. But anyone I didn't know that was posting them, I blocked. So I haven't seen them because I've set up a very specific net. And anytime I saw a shape, so I'm sure I've seen like pieces, but I didn't like, since their art, you have to like look at them to get a comprehension of what the image is. So I can tell that there are like people sitting or I can tell like there is a green or a gray, but I don't know. Do you know what I mean? You know what

Starting point is 00:08:46 I'm saying? Like when I would see a familiar shape, I'd go, ah. Yeah. Well, this is a complex subject because it's like where do you begin with this would it could i don't really give a shit about the whole disney press list stuff in in the context of like that's like i would love to okay no let me backtrack this a little bit coming out swinging dr strange multiversa madness yes that's when um we did i was john and i were massive i just throw john under the bus we were massive participants in this spider man no way home leak time. We were. A lot of channels were doing it. No excuse. We were definitely like contributing to that. And I will say like it did lead to like a lot of hype. It never led to anything

Starting point is 00:09:34 feeling like a disappointment within Spider-Man, no way home. Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness was a very different journey for us. The initial plan was like, let's do it again. We did get the call from from from from Disney publicist at the time and the conversation was very clear and I've had it many times like there's plenty of times we've hated Disney stuff and he's like look I don't care if you hate anything here you that that it's like that doesn't matter I don't care if you hate anything you just be honest as honest as you want the only thing studios care about is that you don't spoil shit so there's so many things to go into here and on an industry side it shocks me how many big industry people there are that go

Starting point is 00:10:17 to these premieres and do the red carpets and the Getty images and stuff like that. I'm like, I got a very clear call but that's the one thing that is actually not okay. I have a thought. Please. Sorry, I didn't interrupt because I felt like you were ramping up. I think there are some people

Starting point is 00:10:33 that get away with some things because their numbers supersede that cost. I think there are numbers that are, I think there's a pros and cons spreadsheet of we can have this much marketing out of a person and not penalize them or we can ignore it because it's worth and so I think you have to be at a certain point

Starting point is 00:10:52 and I have friends that are and I only know they posted them because I had friends call me and be like aren't you mad at blah blah blah and I was like I don't know they posted it and so I think some people do just flippantly post this stuff and still get the call to code of events because they are at a number that benefits

Starting point is 00:11:08 more than it hurts. Yeah and that's unfortunate because I but we have a large following here and I am very particular about the way I address art when it's not yet released and I feel like we don't get the respect that the number should imply for how delicate we are compared to a lot of people that are in similar positions that's very fair and it upsets me all the time disagree with you there because yeah I'm like I actually here's the thing I understood when that was said to me

Starting point is 00:11:44 suddenly it all clicked I was like yeah that is a very reasonable request in terms of a trade if you want to be able to get screener access or something like that I love the reassurance that we can be as honest as we want and we have continued to be as honest as we want yeah sometimes at the movie premiere crapping on a movie you know and I so I love that we're able to still maintain that and it not only did it make sense to me on an industry side, it started to shape my point of view in general about a leak culture that we're in because there's two sides to leak culture that I feel are weirdly both valid. One is something that we both feel very strong about. And the other, I'll just

Starting point is 00:12:32 immediately address the other side. I know the power that leaks have in creating hype. I know the power leaks have and actually getting people interested. I've seen it with Avengers Doomsday already based off of these concept art leaks alone is there are so many people now being like you know I was really on the fence about this but now I'm really hyped yeah I've become so big though on a personal level of not wanting things to be spoiled we cover way less trailers now yeah there's so many things you're going to blind because it makes the actual experience of the film or show that much better the less we know the less we see you're able to take it in for what it is and i get concerned with the concept art with this one that

Starting point is 00:13:16 it's going to be a little bit more akin to not no way home but to dr strange too where that had a lot of leaks and people were like the leaks were better than this because this is concept art yeah we don't even know if this is going to be fulfilled there's some crazy shit in that concept art i've seen a good amount of it a lot of times just from scrolling and like here's what this photo is you know and when I'm watching it like yeah that's cool that's what I mean by like when I watch the movie I know some shapes I've seen will contextualize like that's what I mean by like it's hard for me to tell you

Starting point is 00:13:48 I haven't seen them because I've been like at tweeted and like and I'm sure as scrolling I've gathered yeah but I'm trying not to spend time going like what was that image I'm trying to do the opposite I'm trying to be like let me get blackout drunk and forget any shapes so my opinion on leaks is it is for the profit of the leaker scooper

Starting point is 00:14:08 Not the studio. And so I get the side you're saying. While we're on the pros, I can see the pros because I have heard Doomsday discussed more popularly and more beneficially. And I hear, but it's also a year away at minimum. I think it's getting delayed. We talked about that a little bit. I don't think in a year, people are going to be like, boy, am I glad 12 months ago. I knew a lot of what was going to happen because now that it's out, I sure did have a year of thinking about it.

Starting point is 00:14:31 There's no one except for the most diehard people that we're going to see it anyway. that is thinking about this for a full year about the things they've seen. The people that are excited by the character that I heard is in the concept art are people that know a very specific comic book that was already going to go to the movie. So I don't think it actually lifts the right boats. The people that are in our circles, the people that are in the movie sphere so deeply, they make content or consume content about it. The people that are in our comments right now are already going to see the movie.

Starting point is 00:14:59 We're not the ones they need to get butts in seats. They need to get the casual audience member. and the casual audience member isn't going to know what those pictures mean. So I think that net benefit is not worth the people that are being exposed to things that one may or may not exist. Two, might not be as cool as it feels

Starting point is 00:15:14 by the time it's actually in 3D with actors in it versus like whatever vague. Comic books are art. Concept art is art. You can make something look cool in a comic a lot easier than you can make it look cool than 3D. So I'm sure the concept art looks awesome because it's in the medium it was drawn.

Starting point is 00:15:28 So all of this to me is setting up expectations so high that you're going to get multiverse of madness. You're going to get certain elements of everything post-end game where people learned way too much going into the film. And you're writing the movie in your head that is so big and grandiose that when you actually see what's made, even if it's the biggest movie ever,

Starting point is 00:15:47 you've had so much time in your imagination to make it bigger. How can it live up to your dreams? I feel like I'm in complete agreeance with you on it because it's so easy to get hype by some cool images and to go, the Russo brothers made this, this, this, and this, but there's also a lot the MCU hasn't done, and it doesn't look like the property slates that they have ready to go before Doomsday. Even, let's say all this concept art they released is actually going to come true, which

Starting point is 00:16:18 most of the time, it doesn't. Part of the concept art leaks is something that's not in Doomsday, did not get greenlit. Okay. Which, do you mind if I share this one? So it's definitely not real. It's, it's a lead concept art, but it's not happening. Like, it's not in Doomsday. It's not in the movies.

Starting point is 00:16:32 it's a canceled show oh that's yes thank you for clarifying i'm like i don't know how to answer this it was it was uh uh the um the the i the morgan stark show okay and they had like concept art that leaked from that interesting so that proves some of this is so they wanted to do like an ironman three thousand i think it's what they called it or something like that or something like that yeah i think it was something like that um so yeah that didn't come true so what else of this if it's from the same little notebook of concept art like if it's in the same folder guys Why would you double down on this? Yeah, we've seen it happen with every show and movie.

Starting point is 00:17:06 A lot of times unused concept art gets released after a movie comes out. That way you don't piss off an audience or mislead an audience. I think Multiverse Madness is a perfect example because I have a thing where I like the years leading up to a movie knowing as little as possible when I hear something going like, what if it's this? And some of the audience loves that about me. And they go like, he knows the comics that's so exciting. and I'm sure some of the audience and some of them I've read are like they would never do

Starting point is 00:17:34 like my tinfoil hat theories. There's a lot of things that I would do differently than what they're doing at Marvel. There's a lot of things I would do differently from the past and the future but since I have such a comic backing

Starting point is 00:17:43 I would form this tapestry very differently. But as soon as I'm sitting in that seat I go, okay, let me get rid of all my daydreams and let's watch what some artist made for me. Let me appreciate their vision.

Starting point is 00:17:54 Let me appreciate their experience. This is what I want. The problem becomes when my writing stays more authentic to me and that isn't how they perceive the character I'm always going to prefer mine because it's mine like my bias is always going to

Starting point is 00:18:08 be to my favorite version of something I think about Kang in Ant Man 3 and the fact that they've got you know his daughter trapped in a prison and he doesn't have use of his powers and he's basically like slamming around using some sort

Starting point is 00:18:24 of like telekinetic energy he's Kang and Ant Man has lost time with his daughter. Kang is a time conqueror. How much more interesting would the plot have been if it was Ant Man mourning the time lost? And why wasn't Kang just aging up his daughter and aging her back down and playing with the Ant Man and even offering, hey, wouldn't you love the time back with your daughter that you missed? I can give you that. That's already a better movie. I had to sit down an Ant Man and go, that's what I would have done? What is Peyton Reed going to give me? What are these writers going to

Starting point is 00:18:58 give me. If there were storyboards on top of that that I saw of Kang, deaging and aging, I'd be so high. People like, they made the movie. I think that came. And then I'd be devastated when they win the movie. So why add more ammunition of your own mental what ifs? Yes. It's a bad move. And I just think the whole culture of it's, it's stealing hope. You're literally like scooping is going, hey, all of these grand ideas that may or may not ever happen, you're taking away from the actual thing that's done. The artists that give you this thing, the actors that put their time in, the writers that, who knows how many drafts they wrote,

Starting point is 00:19:32 and how many things were conceived, the directors that have spent how many years honing their craft to bring you something that is impossible to make 3D, in 3D just for you, and you're gonna sit there and go like, nah, it wasn't as good as what I thought it'd be. Like, you're taking away. I agree.

Starting point is 00:19:45 So I think that whole culture is the antithesis of art. Art isn't, art isn't done ever. Art is never finished. A writer, you write. You're a actually finished completed screenwriter. you've probably never been like, that's the best that's ever going to be. Because in a year you'd be like, oh, I could change that. No, it's ever done.

Starting point is 00:20:03 Art is never done. So what are we doing, if not taking away even the potentiality of art getting released, feeling undone by going like, here's all the variables of what ifs. It's just, it feels like theft. It's a theft beyond the actual literal definition of theft. It's a theft of the experience that we treasure so much when it comes to the cinematic escapism. Imagine if the end game portal scene, I don't know if that was leaked. wasn't leaked for me. I didn't know anything about that.

Starting point is 00:20:28 Dude, can you imagine if on your left was just, yeah? If that whole scene was leaked, like, oh my God, that would have really sucked. Yeah. And I agree. And I think no way home especially, and again, it's like, I have my parts where I have to hold myself accountable for my like participation in it. And who knows, maybe Greg will become a totally different person every year. It's like, screw it. I'm going back to the league territory. I'll play this footage for you. Yeah, I play this footage. I'll watch my villain origin. do i want a house in new york and they're expensive i love new york what's my arthur fleck journey i think spider man no way home in particular created a different type of league culture because it's not even backed anymore but like hey hey before he before i showed this image you might

Starting point is 00:21:14 want to turn away yeah before i show you this moment i want to look the other direction now i just scroll and a big ass studio invited social media influencer is like this photo of this character I'm like, oh my God, it's just right there, you know. In the opening seconds. Opening seconds. And most people aren't as bothered anymore either, so then it affects the people who are bothered. Oh, I can already see the comments. So the comments go, oh, just deal with it.

Starting point is 00:21:36 No, people are probably really annoyed at us. And they think we're probably like, I don't know, trying to be moralistic or have some high, I don't know what the hell they're thinking about. Who are we for having morals? I do want to call us out for something, though. Please. We have to do thumbnails that get people's attention. And I know for a fact, you have a system where you do a thumbnail

Starting point is 00:21:55 that is not of any way a spoiler in any context. And then you will wait a certain amount of time. And that time varies depending on the level and also depending on the other elements of the internet. But there is also a competitive nature to spoilers. I think that we try to walk a line of morals and ethics and figuring out what that is more than channels that just go, oh, the video dropped and immediate spoiler thumbnail.

Starting point is 00:22:18 So I know the comments will also be about like how we do thumbnails. Sure. But I'm just, I'm preventing the comments. I'm getting them ahead of. Thanks. If the studio puts it out in a trailer, I'm like, uh, it's fair a game at this. So I want, I want to be clear before I read them all later, that is something that we do try to look at is if the studio put it in there like next week on, if the studio put it in their trailer or anything that gives context or if another number of like, if it's public to the scale of like, well, they're not going to see it here first. That's different. Yeah, especially. I don't love it, but that's the culture. There's channels who do the comic book movie news and shows who are significantly bigger and especially if their viewership. is exponentially bigger than ours for the same thing we're covering and they're using it.

Starting point is 00:23:00 And I'm like, okay, we can change it to plan B. We can update it now. And now that I'm speaking it out loud, I suppose there is a bit of hypocrisy in some of the way of the approach now that I've spoken. I've texted you.

Starting point is 00:23:12 Yeah. I've been mad. I'm just like, I want us to be honest on this show. Yeah. There have been times where I've been like, hey, Greg, I unsubscribed from Real Rejects where I work with you. Like, I have done that because I was

Starting point is 00:23:25 like that wasn't but you at least are aware and I'll question it I feel like we're better oh 100% you make an effort I'm giving credit for the effort I'm also acknowledging half the comments are going to be hypocrites and I'm saying like what you just said about you might change back I'm giving you credit for changing for good like I want to give you credit for it's only you it's only because of you I'm just trying to it's only because of coy but what's funny is I'm getting less and less um the chill thing that started the show like it was episode three or whatever I'm getting more and more disenfranchised with the game. And I don't want my disenfranchisement with the game

Starting point is 00:24:03 to feel like I'm willing to burn it all down with spoilers and leaks and all that stuff. My disenfranchisement is with the fact that we, you starting this channel, have grown it to this level. We have over the last few years established ourselves as like, we can do interviews, we can do long form, we can do short form. We have established ourselves as a media brand,

Starting point is 00:24:23 and we're still disrespected by numbers that aren't even always as good as ours by people who are willing to not think the way we do and care. And so, like, if the game is going to be rigged, I'm either going to find a different way to play it or I'm out. And so, like, I think that's also a mess for me in the studio system right now is what I think I do best as interviews. What I think I have the strength in is dialogue, not just like, here's a clip you've all seen.

Starting point is 00:24:47 Let me describe it. I want that dialogue, and I really struggle with the experience of, watching people that aren't as good at that get opportunities that are also stealing from the very studios that are given those opportunities and that's that's gross to me like let me reward you for growing my following by stealing from you and here's more access is weird it's like they're hypocrites too and that's why I'm calling it out because I don't think it's fair for them to go like you can't do that you can here's an interview yeah and like the reason I like interviews is because I want the artist to explain their journey that I couldn't get like I would have loved to have talked because I really really respect Peyton Reed. I would have loved to hear why Peyton Reed didn't want to have some of the elements that I saw in the character and that might make me like the movie more. That's what I'd want out of my interview. I don't care about being in a photo with Peyton Reed or or Paul Rudd or any of those things that I used to. I used to be very much like I need to feel relevant and now I

Starting point is 00:25:40 want to understand the artist's mind more because it enhances my experience of the art. So I don't understand why the gearing is towards like let's reward the people that are taking away this magic moment and then also get them to ask emoji questions. That's the word populist culture is the terminology for it. Am I right about that? Context, give me, what? God, I'm not, I'm trying to bring up a terminology that I'm like, I don't really know the terminology.

Starting point is 00:26:08 John was populist. How do I summarize this idea? It's like the way how a lot of people have said about Trump wins every time. John's face just now was so much. He just realized something wasn't working, and he went through every phase of grief. I saw it all happen real time. While we bring it back to that, we're on the leak subject.

Starting point is 00:26:27 I think, too, what this is now open up the door for for what we've seen with No Way Home is now a lot of lies are going to come out. A lot of rumors are going to come out. A lot of fake leaks are going to come out. You can't put that genie back in the bowl. Because then this becomes a brand new genre upon itself, a new category of leaks now.

Starting point is 00:26:45 Yeah. Which is, okay, it might start with something that's a little bit real. Yeah, and then. And then it evolves into now we got a whole bunch of people. We're going to see a lot of different rumors, a lot of different leaks

Starting point is 00:26:54 that are just going to be a bunch of bullshit. And we tweak, the movie's going to be a different thing, and then it's going to be fact. And then when we see it, will it be good? Before you know it, Spider-Man's going to be in Daredevil,

Starting point is 00:27:03 born again. Right. You know, Dr. Strange and Quicksilber are going to fight each other at the end of Wanda Vision. And then when that doesn't happen, you're like, I heard that happen. Right.

Starting point is 00:27:11 So let's lose WandaVision for an example. They were originally going to use Dr. Strange in there, and they had concept art, I believe, of having Dr. I think you're right. What if that leaked before that concept art?

Starting point is 00:27:23 And then he doesn't show up. And you were just disappointed as opposed to going, oh my God, this show was amazing. People already get disappointed when something like that happens. And here's the flip side to what I feel about these leaks. Because I have the, if you just show,

Starting point is 00:27:35 if I was leaked on the Illuminati images, which I was at the premiere for Dr. Strange, I got on my Twitter. Oh. And someone had hacked it and put it up. And like literally the first image is the Illuminati. and John Crosinski, I went, oh, this is going to be cool. It sucks.

Starting point is 00:27:55 It's probably like moments before I got to the theater. Oh, but it's going to be cool. And I really didn't like the execution of the Illuminati. Yeah. I kind of feel like with what they're doing with Doomsday, at least half of what I've seen is the same feeling I'm having right now. That's my cynicism coming through me. Optimism is going, I hope they can introduce it and still have it be cool

Starting point is 00:28:18 and have it work within its own context. Same time with what they're at least attempting or what they're developing writers, directors involved with Dr. Doom in particular, I'm going, I really feel like you needed some buildup. She's in the movie next year. I don't feel like it should be this as the introduction. Like maybe they're going to do something

Starting point is 00:28:41 where they introduce where he's at and then they do a backster. I'm like, I don't know if that's going to be as satisfying to witness this. This is why Zach Snyder's Justice League. only works as a four-hour movie because it has to be a four-hour movie not 2.5 hours

Starting point is 00:28:54 according to the Russo brothers this would have to be an insanely long and yeah I know people already come back those are doing Doom's Day and Secret Wars I'm like if you look at Doomsday and Secret Wars and obviously Russo Brothers massive fans of Secret Wars the reason Secret Wars works so well for who Doomsay is is because of the amount

Starting point is 00:29:10 of other things Doomsday Dr. Doom was in leading up to the level he achieves in Secret Wars Yeah. You can't just do that all of a sudden. And he's such a legendary character. It feels so, and that's why, I mean, I've talked about Downy as Doom a number of times,

Starting point is 00:29:26 but the core of its doom. Like, he's in Spider-Man number five. Like, he's so essential. And I say that because he's so essential that he was introduced in the early 1960s and was already so big, it elevated their new character that they put him in the fifth issue. Like, Spider-Man wasn't supposed to be a success. Do you know the story of Spider-Man? Like, the comic character?

Starting point is 00:29:45 Like, obviously I know if he was Spider-Man, but like, how the comic developed. I thought like Stanley saw a spider on the wall. So Amazing Fantasy was being canceled. It was a comic series called Amazing Fantasy. Everyone said, no, we don't want a spider-based character because it won't sell. Spiders are gross. So they snuck in Spider-Man to the last issue of Amazing Fantasy as it was getting canceled. It was Amazing Fantasy 15.

Starting point is 00:30:06 It was supposed to end at 15. Back then, you don't have immediate responses. So it takes like six months to get all your numbers back and like letters and all they has to get out there. So six months later, this canceled comic is like the biggest selling thing. So he got his own title with Amazing Spider-Man number one, like six months later. But then it was the big hot comic because everyone read this one canceled title. And so, like, his first appearance was with Fantastic Four because he actually was able to elevate these other characters.

Starting point is 00:30:31 But then Fantastic Four and Doom were around Spider-Man because it was showing like this unified universe idea. So when I think of Doom, I think of this is a guy you bring in as like your Matt Damon cameo. Like whenever you see Matt Damon in a movie, you're like, yeah. Like Doom is iconic and villainous and powerful. so you put him in Spider-Man 5 because you want to show that Spider-Man is a huge power player. So the idea of Doom, who might show up in Fantastic 4,

Starting point is 00:30:56 he should, he should be a big part of it, that's where he comes from. But he might show up as soon as this year, but at the end of the day, we're going to meet him maybe once before he's got his own movie next year. Like, we're getting un-Thanosed, and he should be bigger. Speaking of Thanos, the comparison that I heard was like, well, you never know. Like, Thanos, he was introduced in Infinity War

Starting point is 00:31:16 and it kicks it off with the Asgardians, you know, being killed. And I'm like, that really set the stage. And that's the only movie where Thanos is really in it the whole time. Like, no, there's buildup to Thanos. Yeah, he's in the Avengers post-credit scene. He's in, like, he's in things leading up. Yeah, and at the same time, he's not Dr. Doom. It's very different purposes entirely.

Starting point is 00:31:37 It's not a one-to-one comparison. Populist? Oh, no, no. I called him right as he was moving. John's rummaging through the microphone like crazy in our ears. I brought a backup microphone and, hey, it came in handy because the other headset worked and then it didn't work. Got to get it up for John. I'm killing it.

Starting point is 00:31:54 Populism is a range of political stances that emphasize the idea of common people and often position this group in opposition to a perceived elite, frequently associated with anti-establishment and anti-political sentiment. I thought that's what populist. I was trying to understand the context of how you were using it with. I misunderstood what I think I heard the word populace not long ago, and then I was like, that's a good. word, I got to remember it, and I remembered it wrong. So that wasn't the word you were trying to, it doesn't work for your example. That's why I'm glad I was.

Starting point is 00:32:24 Let's look this up, because I'm pretty sure I'm using this word completely wrong. I think a populist is like kind of going against the establishment, like anti-establishment, not quite anarchy, but like, you know, the guillotine's out. Yeah. So that wasn't, what were you trying to say? I'm curious. I'm also working on pulling up what Greg was trying to say. I don't even remember

Starting point is 00:32:42 the context of what we were talking about. It was eight tangents ago. Now, there's something about like how popularity at the end of the day will just outwin it all in any capacity you know that's why the rules can be very unfair but they favor the popular yes at all times and we don't give equal treatment to the pop if someone's popular and that's the way the system works beyond press screenings that's like that's like you know I do think the business side of show business unfortunately is like we do need to keep an eye on that's why Connie can still work that was going to say that's a great example like that's yeah like that's yeah

Starting point is 00:33:16 Yeah, but anyway, yeah, I don't think this is a one-to-one comparison with the Thanos thing because beyond the minimal amount of times we had screen time with Thanos and like Guardians of the Galaxy, there's still the build-up with like, Gamora is the daughter of Thanos. And you had time for characters to give mention and to tease. We haven't even heard his name. Yeah, exactly. We haven't even, maybe we'll hear it in Fantastic Four and then he's out in like the next movie or, you know. I think he's a post-credit.

Starting point is 00:33:44 I would put him as a post-credit for Fantastic Four and maybe have. two dooms, one in their universe, one in ours. Yeah. But even that's going to feel like, okay, he's here. Yeah. I just don't know, man. I don't know. And I'm nervous about the movie, because like I said, images, I'll admit, the ones I saw, I'm like, yeah, this does look badass.

Starting point is 00:34:03 But at the same time, if you show me like an image of Justice League, I'm sure there's been enough moments in there to be like, holy shit. And then you watch it, and you're like, just because you do like a cool visual or have something that appears cool and that they're going to try to do it, doesn't mean that the movie was like i said i could be completely wrong have you seen madam web yet yeah i saw

Starting point is 00:34:23 the pictures of sidney like three months before and i was uh the spider as spider woman and like hanging upside down i was like if nothing else that's awesome that's literally the amount of screen time she had was that image so i was like okay so the movie is it and that and that's probably marvel easter eggs a lot of times that's the thing is if we know the moment ahead of time and that's all the moment is. Yeah. If it's just a point to look at it capturing on camera, cool. But if it's but maybe with the amount that's there, like, okay, I don't know how you can pull all this off in 2.5 hours and set up Dr. Doom. Is it all from just, uh, I think it's supposed to be Dr. do. I think it's supposed to dooms day, Secret Awards and Fantastic Four. Okay.

Starting point is 00:35:05 I'm, I'm not sure. Um, but, you know, like the, even the journey to this, there's a lot they're going to have to do. And I, I would love to be here. The way how there was a lot of people leading up to the Snyder cut being like the Snyder cut's not real the Snyder cut never existed there's no such thing zaxeners that and then bam psh like i think we're i don't i don't feel like we're uh a strong i don't know what the right word is here there's definitely people who are are worried and skeptical like us okay absolutely there's there definitely is like we'll get our hate whatever screw it we're being honest um at the same time um i i really do hope that it is a success i as weird as it sounds dude i want to have fun Avengers movie? I would love to be like

Starting point is 00:35:46 holy shit. They did it. Doubt washed away. They pulled it off. I would love to be there. I've never mind opening a video with going, I had, I was scared about what this would turn out to be and sure enough, because I wanted to succeed. This could be the end of the

Starting point is 00:36:02 MCU if this is not pulled off well. It really could have long-term damage. And that's another thing when it comes to what we're talking about with leaks. A lot of people will come in and go, it's building hype though it's building this sure yeah it is i'll give it that it is a hundred percent building hype but it's not it's not about opening box office anymore that doesn't

Starting point is 00:36:25 it doesn't matter for shit not anymore it's about making a movie that will stand a little bit of time it needs to open big and then it needs to have legs two three four weeks out to make this kind of money to make a true impact it has to be has to be on that caliber it's like 70% Cap 4 week like second weekend like that's a devastating drop because that's everyone that was going to see a Marvel movie no matter what sees it open weekend obviously like we do and then it was like not a lot of people going okay I heard that was good we can't have that with these Avengers movies or it is the in the MCU yeah I mean Robert Danny Jr. seems excited apparently he's doing a lot of character homework on it as he should yeah I love how that's a new story when I saw that as a story you mean the actors doing his work but I feel like it's a year out so it's like everyone's grasping for like we have a thing about tube stick yeah and I talked to about it on a live stream because I was like I have been worried about the doom you know downy thing but at least at least this is a positive story like I want to be excited I I'm ready for a thing to make me go like yeah and it has this will not be that but I'm ready for that like so I'm going to keep being excited to be excited yeah right now I'm just worried because here's the other

Starting point is 00:37:34 flip side about as much as I've expressed dominating skepticism over optimism I cannot wait to watch this movie. Dude, we're going to wake up in eight months and it's going to be a year that an Avengers movie comes out. Like, that's crazy. That's the reality of my feelings right now. It was like, yeah, I can't wait to

Starting point is 00:37:52 watch this. It could be a shit show. I can't wait. I could watch the trailer and be like, ooh, it doesn't look great. But I'm still going to be like, it's coming, man. I mean, I want to see it pulled off. I want to see some of this

Starting point is 00:38:04 concept art stuff does make me go like, even if they did like, what or two of these images? Like, yeah, that would be cool. They managed to pull it off. so I have I do have my hope in it I guess that's really it's gonna be 2.5 hours according to I mean I don't know how they they don't know that it could totally change

Starting point is 00:38:20 only that they're in casting it that sounds short as hell for what they want to do yeah the brutal list is three and a half hours and it's all made with AI just just like Avengers teams day every every second of it's going to be AI yeah I think I guess to end it off as we talked about and or the beginning I think it has to have more than and or effect where it's like this movie will be big opening weekend everyone knows but it has to have that legs that we were talking about so i don't know you guys in the comments you excited you vexed you annoyed did you get shit spoiled for you that you

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Starting point is 00:40:38 How do you feel about that? I think it's smart. I think the Groot shorts are adorable. And I think that as Marvel makes more mature content, it's also smart to appeal to a younger demographic. I think the demo that grew up with Groot has aged into teens and adults and, you know, parents. I think it'd be smart to do something

Starting point is 00:41:00 that would be gearing young again if they want to go young Groot. I could see them doing like a feature-length like DreamWorksie movie. But I could also see, you know, Grute being something that does a cosmic story. I don't know if it would, I'd do a special presentation. I don't know if it's a theatrical release, but I think the character has plenty of say. I put absolutely zero thought into this.

Starting point is 00:41:18 I just wrote Vin Diesel, but for some reason, as you started talking, I started going, I would be in the theaters, actually, if there was an I am Groot, like, awesome animated movie. Like, if there was a DreamWorks original style. When you said DreamWorks, I suddenly went, wait a minute, he might be honest. That's a character I'd watch. Yeah. So it would have to prove theatrical to me, and I'd want it to be, you know, a feature length, but I think it could be a fantastic Disney Plus special presentation.

Starting point is 00:41:44 It could be an amazing, but that's the line that'd have to give me a trailer for me to be like theatrical, but I could see it. Like, I see the merit. Yeah, yeah. What do you guys think? You want a bit of a diesel group? I don't really have it. The longest chapter ever. We have a four-hour chapter of leaks, and then it's like, I'm Groot.

Starting point is 00:42:03 It's about as many lines as it's a bit of a lot. he's got three words we said three times the amount he would say in that actual film he doesn't have your language though which is really cool i love that he learned like so many and like the annunciation it's like a harder job than just three words but it also is crazy that he's learned that much group i was watching this movie this video what is the channel called i would love to shout them out um but it was talking about vin diesel's early days when he like learned to direct and he made his first short film and he and i think he read like a sydney lumet book and that's what inspired him to direct

Starting point is 00:42:38 and he was like going off in a comedy I think the movie's like guilty you something guilty whatever find me guilty and I think the channel you're referring to is cinema sticks yes nice cinema sticks that was actually thinking what Greg said with populace

Starting point is 00:42:49 you just pulled total brain waves I've been watching them a lot later no they're fantastic they are an amazing channel if you haven't seen them they're great they use like micro video essays and it's weird to say it's a video essay they do a video essay

Starting point is 00:43:02 micro video essay Are they vertical and short yeah it was a micro video essay they're like i'm group end the video yeah yeah they're like yeah there's still a reasonable length and it's still an essay if you're gonna write that that's a good amount of pages and done words to write down and it's a lot of editing uh but yeah and it was about vin diesel's early career and it was like the bruce willis effect i had when i was watching it just last night i feel like that's prayer i just wrote down ben diesel and not i am group because you know now we just does fast and furious

Starting point is 00:43:30 movies or weird movies like bloodshot and triple x reboot or whatever and trying to get an iam group we made and I forgot like oh yeah like Bruce Willis the guy actually has a lot of talent and skill and for some reason he just went down this other path of I just want money I think it's it's there's a certain amount of bandwidth any of us have right like I think there's only so many times you can get told no until you're like okay I'll do the thing that's a yes and I do think you know he he took a lot of nose in the beginning and then he had a lot of success and then his things that he was passionate about kept not doing as well as the easy things. So I, you know, the Riddick passion project, he made like four of them and he loves

Starting point is 00:44:09 that character, but I do think he wanted those to do as well as his fast stuff. And so when that keeps happening, you're like, I could work less hard and I could make a movie, make a billion dollars and have fun with my family that I've grown up with for family. Like I get it. I worry about that with what we do. Like I have been doing this 10 years and winter soldier to now, the culture has changed so much that I worry that the cynicism will make it not fun to do. and i'll just be like okay i'll just do the surface level i can see it happening i feel exactly what you're talking about it happens whenever i go to right um that's usually the last every almost every day i have on my my to do list right for at least 30 minutes and it's usually

Starting point is 00:44:51 the main thing that i i sacrifice to make room for other things that are i consider more priority or more media priority but then i get a flash at the end of every night i'm gonna be on my deathbed going like I put as I did committed to so many other things I didn't actually want to do because I just didn't write you know I'm having that with interviewing like I I haven't done a see I usually have done a couple of cons by this point of the year I've usually done a number of interviews but I've gotten to the point in my career where I've jumped through the hoops and if it's not going to happen with like 10 to 20 emails I'm not going to send 30 to 50 I think that's what the rousse but that's why I was worried about it I think it was on this show that I said like I wish their

Starting point is 00:45:30 other stuff had done well yeah Because, like, I think they're good directors, but, like, nobody sees them as anything. I like, gray man. I'm the one. But, like, that is, to me, them not being able to do the stuff. And, like, why wouldn't they want the dump truck of money bucked up to their house? And it's not like they don't enjoy it. They wanted Secret Wars.

Starting point is 00:45:44 They love working with Marble. I don't think they're, like, and also, I can see the comments. Oh, the horror of having to make an Avengers movie. But at the same time, I want, like, creative fulfillment for people I respect and admire. So I want that for Vin Diesel. I think it's just, this is the path. And he's probably not unhappy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:59 But it might be a thing, like, with you with writing. and me with interviewing, it's like, what I want to be doing and what people are letting me do are very different things right now. Yeah, the money society, the financial capitalistic society has worth seven cents right now. Has really, uh, it does affect, um, that like every great film that we watch, the filmmakers that we love. I'm, of course, they wanted to make a career out of it. And it's very possible to be like, this is my passion and I want to make money off of it. But rare is the day where like, I do this mainly just so I can. I'm pursuing this mainly just so I can make money.

Starting point is 00:46:33 Yeah. That's 90. This channel is not like, yes, there's monetary gain. We make money. I care about the business side of it. I know 100%. I'm going to great detail with John on a separate video of like, I know 100% why we actually do this.

Starting point is 00:46:51 And it's not just money. There was like many years where there was no money coming in. And so, yeah, I, and same for you, you know. And everything we just talked about like with the leaks, would be making money. Yeah, that's true. That was part of like the reality of it. Like I did get into the hype of it, but there was also, wow, there's like easy financial

Starting point is 00:47:11 gain for it. And sometimes there is a thing of like you got to give it money to and have more experience. I was so proud. And I will use the word proud. I was so proud you didn't text me. Hey, leeks just dropped. Come to a live. Oh, ew.

Starting point is 00:47:26 That's where I bet. I'm at the ill part of my life. But multiverse of madness, that would have been the thing. But you see, I'm like, I'm weird, though, because I'm like, ooh, I don't want to do that. No. But then I'll find myself late at night, like two days ago going, I don't know what this person is here about the old you're stuff. Like, what are their opinions about what this is? Now that I've already seen it, let me just see what is there.

Starting point is 00:47:52 You've opened the cat worms. You're like, well, what's their take? Well, let me find out. Yeah. And I think that's where we're different. Then I'm a contributor to the problem. You're giving the money through the clicks. You're giving the ad revenue watching the ads to get to that shit.

Starting point is 00:48:05 Yeah, the pennies add up. It's like because it's easy to go. Yeah, it's just like a penny I'm giving this guy, but the pennies add up when there's enough pennies. Yeah, that's the point of the leaks is to give the pennies. But that's why I'm really cautious and aware of my YouTube algorithm is like I'm, I know that if I invested in stocks for certain things over time, I would make more money like investing in guns and oil and stuff.

Starting point is 00:48:26 But I want to make less money by investing in like sustainable energy and in companies I believe in. So, like, even when I buy, like, an ETF, I look at what companies are part of that, like, net. Because I would rather die a little poorer than die knowing I helped hurt people. So I think the same with, like, YouTube. I think the same with who I help in their careers. I think the same of who I associate with. Like, I don't want to be a one away from a monster. And I think that is what's different about this channel, because I think we've had to walk a line of being a media channel, a multimedia thing, in an age of that stuff and still need to make a profit.

Starting point is 00:49:00 and that's exhausting. Like, it's way harder and way more tiring. Yeah. But that's why I like, like, the style of interviews I do aren't popular.

Starting point is 00:49:07 That's why I'm not getting to do them. But I would rather do that than be like, what three emojis would describe your experience? Like, I'm not going to do that, but that would get me in the door, but it's not worth it.

Starting point is 00:49:18 Yeah, I'm just, if shit hits the fan, I'm just going hardcore far all right and rage baiting. Dude, I'd make so much money, man. Look at me. You need to be prepared for the inevitable. Look at my coat and my eye color,

Starting point is 00:49:27 bro. I would make so much money. Because I'm articulate. There is. Passion and unity on that side. Dude. And a lot of people I used to respect it. It's when you've got one side yelling at you for slipping and not being as aware of stuff and blaming you and calling you a bad person.

Starting point is 00:49:43 And the other side going like, say what you want. Here's a stack of money. It's so easy to be like. Because as much as there's like hardcore far, you know, far left sides, there's not as profitable. No. It's the opposite. No. There's no money to scale.

Starting point is 00:49:59 And you just sound annoying. To the left. But that is the same with movie culture. Yes, exactly. Like the aggressive movie culture is like, we will not discuss it until we see it. And the other side is like, give you the script in the leagues. And like, neither are great. That's, I was talking, this is what I was talking with John about on the video that we were doing was,

Starting point is 00:50:18 it seems like the time of Trump and Hillary, suddenly movies became Republican and Democrat all of a sudden. For really weird theory. Yeah. I think. we have more bandwidth because we've mechanized so many things. Like when we used to take three hours

Starting point is 00:50:39 to make a meal or longer way back in the day, but like things have gotten more efficient. I'll just say like efficiency has caught up. It's gotten awry, but overall we are more efficient. I think with more time, we seek out conflict that we don't have day to day. Everyone has conflicts.

Starting point is 00:50:55 Absolutely. Like the human condition is struggle. But I think since we're programmed to struggle And efficiency has given us a few more hours in the day We find those hours and fill them with struggle Because that's our default setting So we've politicized movies and content and art And made it so that feels like that fulfillment of like

Starting point is 00:51:13 I've done my struggle But it's about innocuous stuff So I think the politicization comes from a human condition problem As well as a problem with the way it's being put to us Tribalism absolutely helps sell stuff So they play those levels like it's very clear like if you want someone to do well you need to have someone against it yeah so i think part of the human condition is like how do i make this my identity and how do i defend it

Starting point is 00:51:37 and it's like why do you just like it i'm oftentimes in my own personal life and i can be a very active participant in the exact type of mindset you're talking about i credit myself i credit myself as a solution oriented individual you know that's a big part of running a business you have to be solution oriented because there's constantly things going wrong but because i credit myself as a solution or into person, I often seek problems because that's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, I seek problems because I'm like, I need to solution something. Yeah. And then I end up like, then I get mad about problem. And then I solution it when I'm like, why did I find that problem? But I'm like, there's got to be a way where I can do this without being like infuriated. And this is

Starting point is 00:52:15 why Batman takes his shit out on criminals. 100%. Man, it's so tempting. Yeah. I'm like that with positivity. Like I'm a very positive person. And I'm always, I'm always so proud when I'm like, huh I found the silver lining but I'm like why am I always looking for clouds like that's like I literally I'm seeking negativity in order to be like ah ha overcame it like I it's such a weird thing like I just uh I'm figuring out like a new place to live that's bigger and the whole time instead of thinking of the bigger space I'm thinking of the more money and I've already accepted the more money it's going to cost I've already saved for three years I've already solved the problem but instead of thinking like I can make a studio I'll have more space I won't live in 500 feet I'm going like But what have I done with my savings? But that's why I saved. Like, so I'm the same with negativity where I'm like, I save for a thing. Now I'm doing it, but the savings. So it's weird human nature that we're like, look over there at the bad thing you did.

Starting point is 00:53:07 Speaking of looking at the bad thing, they did. Damn, Melissa Barrera. Not being in scream by not her own volition? Yeah. What is she? I just, I was looking at. Is this a scream story? I wanted to get to scream seven.

Starting point is 00:53:20 Oh, I see. Well, deadline or something like that reported that. that um they're all coming back not not belizabarer and general artega everybody else is coming back so like i knew sydney was sydney uh arquette lillard lillard dewey who had a fateful event happened recently in a film a couple of films ago i mean lillard did in the first lillard definitely did Yes, well. Skeet did was a ghost for a while. Maybe Lillard's another ghost.

Starting point is 00:53:58 The movie's like not super, like the glory of scream is the lack of supernatural in the beginning. Like I love that he like stumbles and he's a person. And then they're like, yo, what about ghost skeet though? I'm like,

Starting point is 00:54:06 what is this franchise? What about older ghosts? Yeah. What if he aged in real time? Because we cast Skeet over. But we just kept skeet. And I love those movies. But it's not the movies.

Starting point is 00:54:18 Like I have a great time with him. I love how mad of they are. But that entire supernatural subblood, what is that? Not a fan. I'm not a big fan of Scream 5 the way, however. I love Scream 6. I really feel like those directors really found their voice.

Starting point is 00:54:30 Scream 6 is in New York. The one in the theater at the end? With like three of them. In the theater? There's like a big stage area. That's Scream 6. Okay, I like that one too. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:40 Scream 6. They blur together. The one in New York. Five is. Jack, like one. And Oscar winning. What the routine talking about is the Oscars? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:50 Did you put that down. But, yeah, so David Arquette coming back and Scream, I have hailed as my favorite horror movie forever. And it still is. It's my favorite franchise. It is my favorite horror franchise. I love this franchise. And it's so weird. I've never even really tried talking about it too much.

Starting point is 00:55:11 I know we talked about Melissa Barrera a long time ago and in that whole situation. What this franchise is turning into with this Scream 7, I know we haven't gotten like any report of what the actual movie is they had a whole plan and it all got canned yeah and then they brought in kevin williamson and they're redoing it all the kevin williamson part has me so excited but the rest is i'm so worried it has me um this is the least like this is the most dejected i've ever been going into a scream movie none of these announcements are doing it for me all these announcers are going like this seems like weird PR or something i don't know what's so funny is i remember the Lillard announcement now because it got me excited. I remember even sharing it. I

Starting point is 00:55:57 remember being amped. And just now I asked you because I've been so dejected that I forgot I got excited. Like I got excited and it left me to such a level. I was like, was that a dream or is Lillard back? Yeah. That's not a good sign. Because I should be so amped that like Lillard's one of my favorite actors. Coming back to scream. And yet I'm like, but if they're all back, is it just like a Fast and the Furious? Like is it just going to be so absurdist. Yeah. It's like one of those cases where And I like Fastly Curries, but it knows what it is. You know when studios with their franchises are panicking and they're like, what are fans online saying they want?

Starting point is 00:56:29 Let's do it all. Let's do it all because that's how we get them back. The word you're looking for is desperate. Populist. Populist is what you're talking about. Yes, a desperate act of populism. It's us versus them in the Screamiverse. Take it out.

Starting point is 00:56:46 Twitter, write my script. And yeah, I mean, I know this is, like, like as much as we're like we want to be positive in this podcast. I know I've been like very cynical today and it is this strange thing to me of again I would love to walk out going hey I was super cynical before going in but man I was wrong I have no ego about doing that none I I am concerned about the screen franchise though I think this is a very weird maneuver I think it's a strange movie they did the kind of impossible with scream six no west craven i mean they had courtney cox but no sydney it's been sydney's franchise and they actually found a new path

Starting point is 00:57:28 and a new trilogy and they did it better than scream five and yeah and they set up something great and now i don't know what payoff we're going to get a couple people from scream six are returning i felt like we're going to get last jedd this is nostalgia bait you mean rise of skywarker yeah because last jedi is original and different and a different take and then they're like what if we just do all the things the fans want what if we go back what if we just make uh seven and nine the same movie which is also kind of uh the new hope yeah that's what it feels like the making scream one but also scream seven which is what the last star words felt like yeah not episode one episode four i wish i had more of a conclusion on it i just don't feel as excited anymore about

Starting point is 00:58:10 screaming maybe there'll be a cool trailer but i think nostalgia trailers don't work as well anymore There was a time where it's like every soft reboot or whatever, nostalgia trailers just kicked ass. But it doesn't kind of through the era of it feeling fresh. Like there's a freshness to good nostalgia. Nostalgia has a really interesting emotion because it's like bittersweet and there's almost a melancholy in it because you're looking back at a time that's gone and you're mourning it while celebrating it. And I think there has to be a period of grieving after mourning. And I think we're through, I think sometimes when I'm sad, I find myself watching videos from the 90s. Like I'll get into like a TikTok rabbit hole

Starting point is 00:58:46 Where it's like what sound from the 90s makes you most excited And I'll just get sad and I'll just like listen to sounds over and over again That I'll never hear again in the wild And that's a weird thing I do But there has to be a moment where I stop doing that and go I have to accept this isn't reality anymore And I feel like the movies are trapped listening to 90 sound effects And they're just kind of like it can't feel fresh or nostalgic if it's stale

Starting point is 00:59:06 Yeah And I feel like they're getting stale And then you don't have that like ooh the bittersweet This feels like going home like it's just going to your hometown that tore down the mall you used to love. Yeah. Well, and there's a weird thing happening with Scream, too, where it feels like they are throwing you everything that you want,

Starting point is 00:59:22 which is already a symptom of culture, but also it's to directly deflect from the very real political socio-moment, sociopolitical moment they had when Melissa Barrera left the project. And so now I feel like they're adding all these people from the legacy to basically go, no, no, no, come back, don't boycott this, essentially. And that's really dangerous, I think, because the optics are, for the diehard fans, not for the casual fan. And this is the diehards are the one that knows why they need all these people.

Starting point is 00:59:52 I don't know Melissa Barrera. I know people who know Melissa Barrera. People are very close friends in mine. Yeah. And they love her. They say she's like an amazing person. Like they're a really good friend. And it's cool.

Starting point is 01:00:05 And she's working some more. So I'm really happy for her. But this is a moment in time. I don't think we should ever forget about what happened with her. I don't think we should ever, ever forget. forget that. I've only heard good things about here. I am also conflicted because I wasn't even going to see the movie until they brought Matt Lillard back on. And I also know Matt Lillard is one of these single best people on the planet. Like Matt is seriously like the coolest person you know

Starting point is 01:00:30 in movies and somehow cooler in real life. And I don't know how he would want to be a part of this if there wasn't a reason. Like a good Kevin Williamson script, a good, like there must be something that he'd be willing to do this beyond, you know, a paycheck. He's not that guy. So like, it confuses me because I've only heard good things about her, but I know the character of Matthew Lillard. So I'm like, what is this movie? Reject Nation, when we first launched our merch store, Rejectnation Shop.com. First suggestion we got was to use Shopify. Now a couple of years later, with a successful online store, we still use Shopify to this day. So it's weird to say, thank you Shopify for sponsoring this video. And I'll be honest, I had no idea what Shopify was at first.

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Starting point is 01:02:14 Big things to Shopify for sponsoring this video. And I'm curious to know from you guys, what product or business have you guys wanted to start your launch before? Or now, do it now with Shopify. Do you know, Neff Campbell was my celebrity crush growing up? I did not know that. Matt introduced me to her and I spooned so hard. You met her?

Starting point is 01:02:32 I did. I did. I met the entire original cast. What? Yeah. Yeah. So I was in Florida. Like Matt and I have done interviews and stuff together and like we are acquainted and so he knew how much of a fan I was

Starting point is 01:02:45 So he told me like, hey meet me down here this thing and then I got there and it was the entire original screencast And they were about to do a panel, but he's like I really wanted you to get to meet everybody because I know you're like such a bit like he went out of his way to like Give me a moment before and then after a panel so like they did their panel They don't even need moderators up you know Perry Nemeroff. You know Perry of course no Perry. Perry's like the biggest scream fan of the world She does their panels and basically it's them like making her her part of the cast and then having a party and running into the crowd. Anyone deserves a camera. 100% is Perry. You know the poster

Starting point is 01:03:15 that went around for Scream 5? Someone photoshopped her into and mainstream movie state started sharing it with Perry. No way. So if you look at some of the posters that were shared, Perry's on it. She's canonically. Anyway, she's such a screen person. They like just bring her out on stage and they go out of the audience with microphones and just run rampant and Perry's part of it. It's the

Starting point is 01:03:31 most beautiful thing I've ever seen at a con. But Matt had me come meet everybody because he knew it like would mean something to me. So I'm like backstage while they're playing and then we all hung out after and I got to like talk to my childhood horror franchise yeah and nev was so cool um i mean they're all amazing but like she's the only person i hadn't met of the team and she was read i'll say by the end of this conversation i have become more interested and excited for scream seven for me it's it's it's completely on his very broad tall shoulders and no you're not trying to convince me it's

Starting point is 01:03:59 it's just from again conversation which is i think the only thing we're trying to inspire here he would not do it unless it was amazing because he knows what that character means to people he goes to cons and people will like cry, hug him and he will stall his line and say extra hours. I've seen that dude stay three hours after his signing time because he takes time with each person. He wouldn't sacrifice Stu. Like he wouldn't. Yeah, there's variables that I didn't consider and stuff like that. For me, that's the fair. No, it's a very fair point. David Riquette, perhaps even I would, I was like that. He loves to do it. That franchise means a lot to a lot of those people. I don't think Williamson would come back with that. And I do think to like,

Starting point is 01:04:38 I think they made stream six amazing and they didn't and nev campbell i didn't feel was ultimately necessary in scream five either um and uh i hope that what they do for her is worthwhile because sydney prescott is one of my all-time favorite characters um but yeah and then this conversation definitely that's the thing when you when you have a conversation is as you you can sometimes get some of the the emotions on the surface off yeah and then you're able to see what might be underneath that and like part of that optimism versus cynicism uh can come into play and i think it's possibly built i guess that's the we always have a theme cynicism while still hopeful we never really uh established behind the scenes we sit down

Starting point is 01:05:25 and go yeah but we always eventually find like i guess that's today's theme is like oh it's optimism versus cynicism and and i feel like yeah i was very extremely cynical but the part of this conversation has made me a little more optimistic i think it's i think it's hope through cynicism I think we want to feel hopeful. I think you and I seek hope in everything. I think I seek hope in the world to be better. I think I see hope in people. I try to give people the benefit to disprove that I think they're shit and then I move on.

Starting point is 01:05:52 But I always have hope for that time. And I think I do that with systems and I do that with all the entities we deal with. But with movies, it's really hard because it always is a miracle it exists. So I always want to enjoy it. Like a person can have failures and a movie can have failures. But a movie is so many moving parts of life. like people trying their best. No one sets out to make a bad movie.

Starting point is 01:06:12 You know what I mean? Like no one sets out to raise a bad kid, but there's so much that that person has to do on their own, whereas a movie's just trying to be awesome. And so like I give movies so much grace. I always want to, I always want to go into a movie with as much joy and hope as I can. Well, speaking of hope,

Starting point is 01:06:28 um, I'm just going to throw this little tidbit out here because I cannot go into this subject, uh, or also it will spoil shit for you. Uh, it is the last of us three video game. I feel like it's relevant to talk about because I saw the show. Last of Us 2 is my favorite video game of all time, replaying it right now because what we're going to do on the channel is for first people to hear about this.

Starting point is 01:06:52 It's going to be three people doing gamer reaction, myself, Andrew Aaron. And last time we did that, Andrew and I were like, let's just wait for to spoil stuff at the review. I'm like, we can't do that because it is not how we would watch this if the camera wasn't playing. like we have to do this as we would which is like we're gonna talk about one oh shit this is like this in the game oh they change this and then we're gonna do blind reactions which will be John Tara again

Starting point is 01:07:18 and we asked Roxy to do it because he's wanting to do TV shows and I feel like there'd be an interesting fit since you she checks not you coy I was like everyone but me you just named six people and I'm just like I guess I'll just screw myself so I'm the last of us you're the last of us but I'm bringing up this

Starting point is 01:07:37 Last of Us 3 because Last of Us 1 was a rather extremely faithful adaptation with some changes. There are some very obvious changes, some obvious expansions, but for the most part, it's a very faithful adaptation. Last of Us 2, I imagine will be a similar case. It's an extremely long video game with a weird structure, so I imagine they'll structurally change it because the structure is very specific to the game experience. and they said that it will probably be like four seasons, the show of the Last of Us series. So instead of just doing one season for season two, it sounds like they're going to do like three seasons for it. And if anyone who's played the game, I'm sure they're like, yeah, that's actually kind of reasonable for what the game is.

Starting point is 01:08:23 I imagine it's pretty reasonable. I want a Last of Us three video game because I do feel there is a chapter where they can conclude it. Again, can't spoil shit for you, Coy. yep thanks i want to watch the show yeah exactly uh there's there's stuff there but neil drunkman who has become a very polarizing figure over the years since last of us two uh has said that the game developer he's the person who created last of us okay yeah and he's also directed episodes i've seen his name i just didn't know yeah no he's like the guy behind he's the george lucas yeah he's he's the guy behind uh last of us and he's just put out it was a while there's

Starting point is 01:09:03 in development but now he's saying like don't count on it now and it's got a lot of people so i just want to speak to our last of us fans out there big i mean i love the first season it's a big show i do have like my own the way how you we were talking earlier about i have kind of like a a similar an idea that i feel they they could do and mine isn't just some like made up idea i i feel like i have like a thematic something that fits to complete the theme of their they're to do a trilogy to really bring it to a close. Yeah. So I'd be a little bummed that if they don't do it,

Starting point is 01:09:40 I don't want it to just end. Would it be as a game you want? I think that you have to do it as a game and then you make the show. Okay, that's what I assume. Yeah, so then I'm basically I'm simultaneously saying they should make, because if they don't do the game,

Starting point is 01:09:53 I don't think they're going to do this show. They're not going to continue it. They're not going to Game of Thrones it. We're like, finish the thing. I'll make it myself. Because the game's pretty incredible. The game, second game was controversial. It was a very controversial game for,

Starting point is 01:10:03 choices they make and I love the hell out of that game um kind of a lot uh not kind of a lot but like immensely it's my favorite game so yeah that's all i just want to say it's a little tidbit i hope they make the last of us three um do you think it's because druckman doesn't want it i don't know anything about absolutely i think druckman would only want to do it if he has a right story to tell i think you'll love if they do a proper adaptation i think you'll love the last of us season two. And that's why I'm not watching it on the channel. There's a lot of people who already will, who already are like not looking forward to it because of what the game does. And like, there's a lot of choices in that game that I've challenged the audience for sure. And that's why

Starting point is 01:10:49 I love it. Yeah. You know? So I was trying to say in like some stuff of other things we've covered. I'm like, yeah, I'm all for like a story. Like, let's really challenge what you might expect out of a sequel. And so I generally love that. And I mean, I'm hoping. Stranger Things 5 does that. Like I'm finally getting excited for Stranger Things 5 because I hope it's like challenging. Yeah. I hope because they're saying like each episode's a movie.

Starting point is 01:11:10 That means it's like hundreds. Like not hundreds. It's like dozens of hours. Like it's going to probably like 20 hours if all goes well. You know what I think we should bring back? What? Here's where I would like us to end. We don't do movies anymore from TV shows.

Starting point is 01:11:27 When's the last one? There's got to be one reason that I'm just not thinking of. It's not nearly as two. It's not nearly as common. I mean, the A-Team was awesome. Entourage was a while ago. A-team was a while ago. I'm talking like a theater. The Fall Guy.

Starting point is 01:11:40 No, no, no, no. It was a 70 show. I mean, on to, like, how there was an entourage movie. Oh, like an ongoing, like, like a finale. Like, like an ending of a show that's on. Yeah. Like a current show. Like X-Files movies.

Starting point is 01:11:52 Friends show. Got a Cic in the city. El Camino got a movie. El Camino was not a theatrical release. But that is, that is the one, I think, most recent. I did see it in a theater. I saw it. I saw it.

Starting point is 01:12:02 I picked. Because it was a Netflix movie. But you know what I mean. Nothing is limited release yet. Community's getting one. Six seasons in a movie. Are they getting like a theatrical released movie? Eventually,

Starting point is 01:12:13 once Donald Glover's better. Donald Glover is the biggest tease in the world. He canceled his torques. He was sick and he hasn't resumed it. I had tickets. So I think he's not well. Which worries me? I love that man.

Starting point is 01:12:22 Oh no. I take it back what I said. He's been like sick for like eight months. He'll be just creating an album. I hope so. I hope it's an artistic bait and switch. Not like, are you good, bro? It's been a while.

Starting point is 01:12:31 Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, that's the community holdup, but they're making a movie. Speaking of someone who's not well, I didn't know this so yesterday. What a tangent. We brought up the, we brought this YouTuber before YMS. John, did you know he has like some autoimmune, I think it's like an autoimmune condition? I was watching his Oscars video. And I didn't know he had this like really bad condition.

Starting point is 01:12:50 And I hope, I know he probably would never watch our channel in a million years. Like, I really hope it gets better. Oh, yeah, he said he's, I didn't know what it was, but he has been saying lately that he's been dealing with chronic health. issues that have been affecting things and I know he's got bad arthritis and stuff too yeah I really love his videos a lot um but sorry cool we're just talking about uh movies based off shows that are ongoing uh I was saying communities the one that I think is the next if it happens it's a weird conflict right because if you're going to conclude something you should do it on the medium that it exists but if it's big enough that's kind of a cool celebration it's it's weird

Starting point is 01:13:27 to say every episode of Stranger Things season five is it episode is a movie as a movie when I'm like, why didn't you make a movie? I would, what did you make? Maybe it's like 10 movies? You know what I mean? Like, I would love to watch Stranger Things in theaters, though. That's the difference is like, if you gave me to, can you imagine? Whoa, that just blew my mind of the possibility.

Starting point is 01:13:46 What I want to do, if I get ever as successful as I dream, there's a movie theater that I've had my eyes on buying for literally 10 years. And I would play the theatrically aimed shows at that theater and get licensing rights to play TV and movies there. I've already got the plays picked out, already have the name, already have the menu. I've got a whole plan, but I want to do that, especially with throwback stuff, because by the time I can afford it, it'll be a throwback. That would be a really interesting way for theaters to bounce back.

Starting point is 01:14:11 That's what I'm trying to do. If you wanted to see, like, these episodes of television, I know Game of Thrones has done that. They did that when I wasn't watching Game of Thrones. But I do like Mad Men and stuff. Like, I would go back to the stuff that was like Impact TV. You're really artsy. Yeah, I play like two episodes of Madman and it'd be like, you know, 15 bucks. I do the fly of Breaking Bad.

Starting point is 01:14:30 Dude, that'd be incredible in theater. Ryan Johnson's a fly is so cinematic but cinematic shows but yeah you could do the what do they call it when they like man some I'm just missing out on vocabulary today when they refined a film to oh like remasters remasters got here I couldn't find re-master yeah when they remaster a movie like seven's coming out in iMacs again or just or just did i saw uh stephen spillberg's first movie my brother took me uh sugar Line Express, sat behind Dead Meat and James. Cool ass guy. Oh, that's cool. Who's in Screen

Starting point is 01:15:06 Five. And that, uh, that was like a wonderful experience. That's an old ass movie. This is before Jaws. I, I saw Top Gun re-released at its 20, 30 and 35th because I love Top Gun. Like every time they release Top Gun, I'm there because that movie is so like, I saw ET for the first time re-released, uh, remastered, uh, Waki Toggi's at all. So I wasn't upset. But that's like, why don't we like that's, they do it more and more all the time. But I want to a theater of that like as i remember two dollars theaters were huge i want to do like all of that stuff and all the redefined things that are like upgraded like you're saying and shows well i i would love to do that and i would love to see uh like this would be a really cool thing to pull off one day

Starting point is 01:15:45 honestly like this is the kind of thing i'm like sure could it be profitable it would need to be to sustain but as just a passion i love i've started looking at business plans like this is my dream they have like actual i max theaters before nolan came into the fray and started making films with iMacs are revolutionized filmmaking uh with imax cameras and i'm like how come they don't ever just play interstellar sold out how quick ghost protocol interstellar all year round yeah or donnie darko played at the arrow for a year like a donnie darko like was filmed have you seen don't know i've talked about okay i have i don't remember all the scenes with frank in the movie theater at the arrow in santa monica who's frank frank's the bunny do you know there's a

Starting point is 01:16:27 bunny in it john like a real bunny yes john yes I'm going to go to the audience that will understand me. So they filmed all those scenes at the Arrow. How cool. The Arrow played that movie for a full year and sold out all year because it was like, we did this here. This is for us. But that helped keep the arrow open in Dark Times.

Starting point is 01:16:44 And now they re-release it for like a month every October. So stuff like that is like, why don't we do that? Well, I talk to. The Crow every devil's night. Like, we're good. There's a couple of publicists at IMAX who were really good with. And I said it to them. I'm like, how come you guys aren't doing this at IMAX headquarters?

Starting point is 01:17:02 Yeah. They're inviting people, the public, to go to these screenings now. Like, but studios, it's, they said it mainly comes down to what the studios want, which is crazy to me. Because I'm like, you put all this investment into your IMAX experience. Yeah. And you have it there for like two weeks on average. Yeah. Two weeks.

Starting point is 01:17:25 It's a waste. You got a share on the screen all summer with Tom Cruise. It's a waste. Uh-huh. Or you get Tom Cruise. bitter who didn't want to do it for Mission Impossible the last one because of Oppenheimer coming on and kicking

Starting point is 01:17:35 them out of the theater in a week. It's so funny because it's like, why would I, you know, and like I remember seeing ghost protocol, like nothing can match ghost protocol at home. The opening of Dark Night Rises? Oh, yes. The plane scene? Every time Dark Night re-releases on IMAX, I'm there. The Dark Knight Joker opening

Starting point is 01:17:54 when it's like those strings and then it opens and they're like, what? The highway the chase scene. Dude, how cool to me to see Matrix and The Matrix and I'm X. The reloaded scene in IMAX. The chase. The Hell Highway Chase. Yeah, like that. I've never gotten to see an IMAX because it was just regular. Because it's not just picture and size. It's, it's quality, it's definition, it's sound design. This is what I want to do. And with TV, like, you know they shoot stranger things of that quality. How, why don't we do this? They do. They shoot certain episodes of Disney Plus shows with that. Like in Daredevil Born again, I was asking like, oh, is this an IMAX camera? But then I realized it was just. a visual thing. But yeah, they shoot certain things with IMAX.

Starting point is 01:18:35 Imagine if we were reacting to Daird-Lenothy. Like, I don't see the point in watching, in filming a TV show with it. Mandalorian Season 3, Episode 1. I remember a very specific moment that was clearly an IMAX camera when the aspect ratio changed. I think it's for that, but then what a waste? All that resolution. It's a waste.

Starting point is 01:18:54 You don't get the IMAX experience with your IMAX enhanced Disney plus subscription. I don't care how big your 90s. 90-inch TV is a 90-foot TV. It's bullshit. It needs to stop. Like, I mean, granted, I prefer the Blu-ray of that. Like, Olivia was watching Hunger Games one day, catching fire. And she, this is what I mean.

Starting point is 01:19:17 When I ever I shoot at IMAX and I say, never take the opportunity to this, whenever I say, like, I love IMAX, it's my favorite. It's my favorite. I'm like, no, I could go into great depth of why. and she was watching on streaming and when she enters the Hunger Games the entire Hunger Games is an IMAX format it switches as she's going up the elevator and it expands it's a great trick

Starting point is 01:19:42 because all they do is add letterbox and then they look like how did they change lenses the Dark Night Rises does it too before Daredevil just did it and I was like how oh right just add the letterbox and post but it's it's a cool effect and she was

Starting point is 01:19:58 watching. I'm like, this is not an IMAX format. I'm like, do it. And then here, she's like, no, I don't care. I don't need to watch it. I'm like, no, no, no. Like, I'm not going to watch it, but no. And I'm like, rummage you through. Everything you're doing. We alphabetized all her shit. I'm like, where's it? I know we have it somewhere. And then I'm like, okay, I'm going to put this on. I got to load it. I got to reprogram the PS5. Hold on. Like, like, 10 minutes go by. And I'm like, all right, now, now hit

Starting point is 01:20:19 play. And she's like, you're right. This does look better. And she doesn't, she's not one who She's not one of us, like in that way. She doesn't give a shit about shit like the way we do. And but she, she even she was like, no, I noticed a big difference. Have you seen Dune in regular, Dune or Dune 2? I saw Dune twice. I saw Dune regular, Dune and IMAX. I saw Dune Universal IMAX.

Starting point is 01:20:38 Dude, the Dune crop is so crazy. Like, you lose so much. And I don't think they even released the IMAX version. I don't own Dune 2 yet because of that. Why waste the beautiful data and glory? The IMAX experience is something to be treasured. And if we're talking about, like, oh, some people just go at home, then there should be like, why isn't, I mean, I'm sure

Starting point is 01:20:59 there's all this like politics and business handlings and studios are precious and gatekeeping when it comes to their stuff. Like, you spend so much money on your TV shows to look like cinematic experiences. Like, there should be a business where you can go to this theater and they're going to play this episode of this hugely popular show. I've been trying to do this since I was opening movies for Marvel at the El Cap. I was trying to get TV shows at the El Cap. Like, I've been fighting for this for how long ago was Wanda Vision?

Starting point is 01:21:29 Yeah. Like, five years. I've been fighting this battle. A Loki? Dude. Oh, my God. Like, John, I know, did the marathon of all the diehard movies, which sounds awful. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 01:21:43 In the theaters. It's a very sad medley. Because it just gets bad. It's not a complete downward. There's no peak back up. It doesn't ever like. It starts high, it plateaus it decent, and then it falls off a cliff. How is that any different from binging a season of television?

Starting point is 01:22:03 I did a 23 on the road to end game. I was at the L cap for three and a half days. Wow. I watched every movie that led to end game, and I presented four of them for days. People would watch the 12 hours that is Stranger Things. There's got to be a way to do this. Let's do real rejects fucking TV. This would be like our Matt Damon and Ben Affleck.

Starting point is 01:22:21 100%. This is our artist equity. This is what we got to do. Let's get things in theaters, especially if we've already reacted to it. Because I think people would love to do that. They would absolutely love to go to the theaters to experience that. Even if it's a comedy, like to have the communal experience. Especially a comedy.

Starting point is 01:22:38 Especially. If I could watch Mythic Quest with people or Ted Lassau with people, I would be so much more full of joy. I remember the Friends finale. I did watch that when it aired at home, but they played it at Universal City Walk where people were gathered together to watch. I can imagine, like, the laughter of the tears together. I was like a child, so I was like they did. I always think that it doesn't exist because I don't know anyone that's a local. That's awesome.

Starting point is 01:23:01 I didn't hear the announcement. I saw the news report about it. Because it was a local news story. Yeah. Yeah, it's a local news story. So, yeah, like that would excite me. It is shocking. That would be the most incredible thing to watch like all the Daredevil season one on the big screen or more procedure that people are out.

Starting point is 01:23:19 Daredevil and do huge. Season one's amazing. Yeah. But, but it means that's what you could do that. I think that is a unique, we are not adjusting to the evolution of the film industry. Everyone just keeps going, we got to go back to the way it was before our combat. You have to fix it. No, we have to evolve.

Starting point is 01:23:38 Arclet's still closed. Yes, evolution is already. It's such a classic theater, yeah. Like, that was the cinephile theater. Yeah. Like, you'd always run into Chris Nolan because that's the best theater in LA. Evolution's important. Interstellar, like you brought up.

Starting point is 01:23:53 I can never get a fucking ticket. It sells out within minutes. Every single time. Yeah. Never. And I am one of the people with a notification. 100% 10 minutes before it goes on sale. I'm ready.

Starting point is 01:24:04 Yeah. Refresh. Refresh. I'm out. Like, I never do. I'm not going to sit at the very front row. And rewatching the Matrix was like just as revelatory as it was when I was 11.

Starting point is 01:24:13 Yeah. The fact that I read, I think it was the 20 year anniversary. And I was like, it's even more cinematically impressive. Like, why don't we just do this? Honestly, it would make me proud. It would make me. really proud if for some reason this conversation led to got to someone who was like let's let's

Starting point is 01:24:29 let's have this conversation yeah i would be so happy because on the on the micro it'd be fun to talk to Kevin and play something to his theater like we go to jersey and just like watch a show like we can do that but i want to like have people come i want to do it like and with the with the amount of so much content and the fact that shows are now looked at as content like the fact of how that is the new reality that we exist in. This is a way to preserve something feeling special and giving back that communal experience. More people will show up for a re-released

Starting point is 01:25:01 than studios realized. Yeah. Like, do they not realize that? Like, people show all the Spider-Man. We watched all the Spider-Man's. In the theaters, but they re-released them, right? And they barely advertised them. So I got to watch all three Tobis, both Andrews,

Starting point is 01:25:15 all the Tombs. I got to watch all of them with her for the first time in theaters. Why is that not more common? They have empty houses? So, yeah, they're already doing. the re-release model like they're doing that more often already and theaters like AMC yeah constantly are re-releasing stuff with no promo but they're constantly re-releasing stuff yeah I'll

Starting point is 01:25:33 open the app and be like that's playing yeah sometimes I'll just check once a month be like oh okay like I had Olivia loves Halloween town so for Halloween we went to go see Halloween theaters and that's what I'm talking about that's a Disney channel original movie that's not a theatrical licensing had to cover TV exactly it is possible the fact that that that's exactly my point is like, why are we doing this for like these films that are clearly shot to be cinematic experience? I watch my UFC fights live at the theater. They have live streaming and that's a TV license. I literally watch the fights 100 feet tall and it's so brutal. If that's possible, why not? That's what I mean? The theater experience, we have to bring a new kind of theater

Starting point is 01:26:13 experience. We do. That's the only way we do it. And then this whole thing of like, we got to go back to the way it wasn't like, we're not going to. We're not plain and simple. We're not. Do you know David Yerewski, director? He did a blu-oh, um, Breitburn. He has a new movie coming out. David Yareveski. Yeah, he's got a new movie coming out called Locked. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:32 I went and saw it yesterday in theaters. Dude, it's so fun. It's like a 70s exploitation film. I just learned about it super late last night when I was working. I was working on the upload schedule and I was trying to figure out, like, what's coming out of this week? Yeah. He's like a friend of a friend of a friend, so I wanted to go support it. So I went and go saw it in theaters at like his screening.

Starting point is 01:26:49 Like he had a little friends and family screening and I went and saw it yesterday at AMC. and he was saying in front of the screening at the AMC that it was a movie that everyone was pushing to go to streaming and he fought for this to see it on an AMC screen in this way and now it's getting a theatrical release and it took an extra year. Oh, that must be good. Yeah, but like he had to fight for that

Starting point is 01:27:07 because everyone kept describing it as a streaming movie and I was like, what if there's a shorter theatrical window but the streaming exclusives then have their theatrical and then like what if Netflix movies that play in Ipicks play in AMCs but they just have like a window? because his movie felt like a movie like it felt like a theater experience but I could also see people

Starting point is 01:27:24 then rediscovering it on streaming because it does work for both mediums and I was like what if we split the difference like we got to find a way to keep both alive and that's what you're saying it doesn't need to just go back to the way it was but it can't keep going the way it is so like seeing that in theaters I was like

Starting point is 01:27:38 he's defending streaming having merit while also going this is how I want it and then the movie felt like dude it was like saw meets buried in a car that's fun it was crazy you have just described the exact movie for me you're gonna love it dude i had such a weird great time i kept being like what is this but it looks like kinetic and fun oh yeah and it's and it's uh scars guard and uh sir anthony

Starting point is 01:28:03 hopkins yeah yeah i think scars guard man he's a it's on a run he's a talent yeah anyway um i feel better um i wanted to end up notes i just started yelling i feel better i'm sorry yelling do you feel better i do you feel better i do have a little bit of uh fun data for you here at the end of just films adapted from television series. Of course, you guys mentioned Mission Impossible, which is a great example of that. The most recent, I feel like, franchises that would have popped off, you're probably looking at like a 21 Jump Street in 2012

Starting point is 01:28:33 or A-Team in 2010. The most recent start to looks like it would be the Equalizer, which 2014 is the first movie adaptation, 2023, the most recent. But if you want to talk just recent, Downton Abbey had a theatrically released movie in 2022. as did Bob's burgers. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:51 Yeah. That's where I got an allergic reaction and had to leave the theater. And, of course, there was Pop Patrol movies everyone loves. Oh, Pop Patrol's always popping. I forgot that was a show. So, yeah, there is precedent, but we got to get the actual shows in there. We're running out of classic, prolific, like, still noteworthy TV series. You know what?

Starting point is 01:29:10 I would love to see in a theater. Always sunny in Philadelphia. Yeah, that would be fun. The gang makes a movie. Yeah. Like, I would love to see the movie episode. Like where they just go all out and make a cinema because they're all like movie stars. I've never come up with like spec scripts for shows.

Starting point is 01:29:26 I have one for it's always sunny in Philadelphia that I'm like it doesn't matter when they do this one. It would work and I would love to if I ever like got serious about I want to try to pitch this. I have I'll tell you when the camera's done rolling because it's does drinking kid have a cameo? Yeah, I would love to give myself a cameo again. Yes, episode three. The whole episode revolves around me. Is it episode three? You changed my life at that party.

Starting point is 01:29:52 Every few videos, I'll see that comment. I'll see, every so often I'll see something. Be like, I'm watching always funny. This guy looks just like Greg Elbow. And I was like, well, the thing about that is. It is. Anyway, guys, yeah, I feel, I feel great. Now, like, that idea really excited me.

Starting point is 01:30:07 I'm like, shit. How do you do that? Like, if there was a way to really crack that code, that would be. There's a ton of empty theaters in L.A. I've got a list. I've been trying, I've been trying to do this for a while. Yeah. Yeah, what is the, what is the, because there's two versions we're talking about here.

Starting point is 01:30:20 There's one is like, how do we get IMAX play IMAX movies? And the other one is what, how do you get like streaming shows to, or classic TV to have special events? I would buy a multi-house theater and convert one to IMAX. Yeah, but it's like, what's the business aspect to, you know, we're at multi-house. We should talk to Michael. Talk to Michael is the guy to talk to who pulled us up. How much phone would be to run a theater? It would be, it would be really cool.

Starting point is 01:30:43 And I'd like, and we would love to, we would love to just do shit for her. helps. Dude, we could set up cameras and we could watch the stuff we're reacting to in the proper format. I wouldn't mind if it's just like a nonprofit in a way where it's like this literally just goes to keep the theater alive. Yeah. A lot of the theaters I support are directly

Starting point is 01:31:00 just to keep it open. Like it's a whatever that registration is 951 nonprofit. Like that's doable. Yeah, the Heroes registration. Yeah, yeah, the registration act. The registration act. Kamala Ka. Kaobio. Anyway, guys, I thought we were going to wrap this up like

Starting point is 01:31:16 Five minutes after the Marvel Weeks, but then we just found life. Yeah, that's what this show's about. Life finds a way. Thanks, John, again, for manning down the complicated tech and always discovering new problems to solve. I appreciate it. Anytime. Coy, thank you so much for the wonderful conversation. Always love being here.

Starting point is 01:31:36 This is my favorite show of the week. Yeah, I know. I look forward to, I really look forward to filming. And normally, we take like 20 minutes to get gone, but we just sat down. down i'm going out of town so this is uh there's a little gap it's true i'm gonna have people fill in for you let's see how they do let's have a a child yeah actually that'd be funny as hell it's a so it's a precocious little kid you should have uh vivian vivian player yeah she speaks as well as i do her better really fan you're a fucking smart job she's so yeah put her in put her in coach but yeah

Starting point is 01:32:07 uh so i won't be here next week you lovelies uh i'll be back uh very soon but i'm taking a long planned trip very excited about yeah Anyway, guys, we'll see you guys soon. Thanks, REJECNation. Letters and the Chiff. It's a METYINDS. It's a new your formatio.ca.

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