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Episode Date: July 1, 2025

EMOTIONAL & AWESOME!! Thunderbolts Full Reaction Watch Along:   / thereelrejects   Visit https://huel.com/rejects to get 15% off your order Thunderbolts Reaction, Breakdown, Commentary, Analysis, Spoiler Review, & Ending Explained featuring both a Mid-Credits Scene & Fantastic Four Post-Credits Scene! Greg Alba & Andrew Gordon (CinePals) dive into Marvel Studios' Thunderbolts—a bold, emotional Marvel movie that deeply explores themes of mental health, grief, trauma, and depression through its conflicted, broken heroes. This reaction covers it all: characters, Easter eggs, emotional arcs, and both the Thunderbolts mid-credits scene and the Fantastic Four post-credits scene that ties directly into Marvel’s future. The Thunderbolts cast includes Florence Pugh as Yelena Belova (Black Widow, Midsommar), Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes / The Winter Soldier (Captain America: The Winter Soldier, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier), Wyatt Russell as John Walker / U.S. Agent (The Falcon and the Winter Soldier), Olga Kurylenko as Taskmaster (Quantum of Solace), David Harbour as Red Guardian (Stranger Things, Black Widow), Hannah John-Kamen as Ghost (Ant-Man and the Wasp), and Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Valentina Allegra de Fontaine (Seinfeld, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier). We also see Harrison Ford’s General Thaddeus 'Thunderbolt' Ross (Indiana Jones, Star Wars), now as President Ross, and explore the larger MCU connections. This film beautifully sets up the next phase, including Fantastic Four, Avengers: Doomsday, Avengers: Secret Wars, Spider-Man: Brand New Day, The Punisher Special, and more Spider-Man adventures in the MCU. We break down how Thunderbolts advances each character’s arc and what it means for the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. If you're looking for Thunderbolts Easter eggs, hidden details, and a detailed spoiler breakdown, this is the video for you! Follow Andrew Gordon on Socials:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MovieSource Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/agor711/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/Agor711 Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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to our royal rejects, our patrons. And then we answer some questions, usually maybe at the end or at the very beginning. We open up our document. This is probably the most questions we've ever had. I've never seen so many. It's good. And when it's a situation like this, it's like okay this is probably going to cover we haven't actually read the questions we just see the quantity which usually means we're probably going to cover everything we want to talk about in these questions so i say we just swing into it andrew let's see let's do it where we're off to um keny gv 92 here we go as reactors who talk and reflect openly about mental health struggles how do you feel about the message conveyed through the movie about mental health oh

Oh, absolutely. I feel a lot of things. Because the points have been made stronger by more story for all, or do you think the theatrical cut conveys the message well enough? Now, I know we've had different dabblings when it comes to, I mean, we've, of course, have mental health struggles like any human being, but our journey and obsession or homework or education is very different for the two of us. But please, Andrew, what are your first thoughts on this aspect here? Absolutely. I think the theatrical cut conveys it very well,

not only from all the characters, but specifically Bob, for instance. and Yulina of course too but I really resonated with Bob especially when we were dealing with the void there at the end because I had a very depressive episode myself back in 2019 where I was in a void and I did feel that darkness and I felt so alone and I felt and I was so depressed and what really resonated with me not only that feeling that was being conveyed in the film but how everyone grabbed him and embraced him and let him know he wasn't alone and that That's really what lifted me, truly out of the darkness, friends like Greg and my family letting me know that I wasn't alone. It truly uplifted me.

So, like, the movie really spoke to me from there. So I, maybe there are other avenues that they could have approached it. But, like, this really spoke to me because I lived it. Yeah. So I thought it was a very strong and poignant message and very visceral. And also for someone who actually lived this, minus the century power. it was very very resonating and relatable for me yeah yeah yeah to touch on this one subject because i'm like the whole movies about this essentially you know it's the backdrop for it the

when people ever asked me like or when i share what is the character you related to most in television i've i don't have constantly said like chandler being from friends but in terms of a drama and it's funny that you've just started this show when i was really young the very first dramatic character i'd ever related to was dexter morgan um from the show dexter which in that first episode he said something that i had said to myself a lot but i had actually never heard in a medium just made me missed it and i had never heard um in conversation but i was really young and i would say i feel empty that is how i describe my feelings and it was such a like i would be like out of my own body and observe that feeling because like the irony of empty or void being

an emotion right like the irony of that and then i saw dexter say it and i was like wow that's how i feel weird and so this movie starts off with a theme that got me really fascinated with one's own emotion which is dealing with the void and and what is purpose and every two each person's purpose is different what is someone's why in life and this is the thing of really creates like identity. Part of being a human being, I believe, is to want to find that level of fulfillment and find that level of contribution. And, you know, like, we, we often grow up in a society that tells us what success is. But a lot of times, if you ask someone, like, what is your definition of success? Even I struggle with that answer. Like, I don't really know what that

answer is for me. People ask, I actually don't know. It's one of the things I've been exploring lately and if you wanted to talk success for like success to be some form of fulfillment and this is like an interesting element to have that kick off with the idea of darkness and beyond getting on this whole other tangent uh the like the main focus of it is self acceptance that's the main journey of this movie is self acceptance and not to judge yourself as well and to be not let your past dictate your future. Don't let the facts of your life become the excuses for your life as one of the mantras I have lived by since I was like 19 years old. And it's something I often forget when you're consumed by darkness. And I can, I can very much still,

there's so many elements that I would relate to of the embrace and that, you know, I've done therapy, I've had a couple of really great therapists in my life. And one, one really standout moment in therapy for me was the awkwardness of having to face your inner child like literally doing exercise of talking to like younger gregg and that's where our core traumatic wounds stem from that can shape our identity that can that can shape our um our our core our core base human emotion as is one way i've heard it put like your need for something or fear of something and you see that illustrated by specifically more so like you see John Walker's recent circumstance but with Yelena and with Bob you see their core memory formed in childhood and how that

has dictated the void for them you know because a void comes in the form of having so much pain you don't really want to face it because like if the first stage of grief is denial it's it's that for a reason it's because your mind and body can't really handle it so you push it away and that's where the strength comes in to face it like when you're working out it's supposed to hurt you know it's supposed it's supposed to be uncomfortable and this is about having that strength to face the thing that to survive you've had to push it down and push it away and the same wall that keeps out sadness keeps out happiness for the most simple Plistic terms. Could they go deeper? Of course they could go deeper. Could they go crazier? Of course they could go crazier. Have other movies done that? Absolutely. But to do it on a blockbuster level and to do it in an MCU movie and to commit to it and not sacrifice it for some typical third act finale. This really moved me a lot.

Yeah. No, it had some deep themes, you know, in regards to loneliness, depression, redemption. I also like, for forgiveness as well in regards to Alexi and Yelanus relationship that's never too late to forgive someone so I thought that was layered really well on top of it as well but yeah no but also I think you make a good point just really I like that you make a great point that this film definitely committed to it and stayed with it they didn't cop out in any way from the the mental health theme and the rest of the themes we just went over so I do appreciate that that it's stuck with it absolutely I'm going to make the editing a little bit easier for us, so this is going to be awkward,

and let's just keep it in the video. I'm going to put claps in here. That way, it's easy to identify the sound waves when we start a new question. There's a lot. One, two, three. What an awkward sound that's been in the background this whole time. Andrew, please do the honors. What is the next question?

Shout him out. All right. Joe Star edits. Thank you for the question. Thank you being a royal regic. We appreciate it. Love your channel. And it's now become a part of my daily routine.

awesome you're part of gregg's baseball thunderbolts team yeah the soccer team now you've watched thunderbolts do you agree that jake shreier i assume that's the director is a great fit for directing the mc u's x-men that a few times thunderbolts and x-men heavily focused on mental health and a variety of ways such as grief depression and anxiety do you feel this is why jake was picked to carry the torch for the x-men love for manchester uk well since i mentioned this throughout the reaction

I think I should Greg what do you think my brother please I took up so much time in the last question I would love to hear I've said it as a few times during you I want to hear what you think now that you know he's directing it yes just in general I mean besides the fact that he clearly knows how to handle an ensemble which the X-Men obviously are absolutely from that perspective in regards to depression and anxiety and grief 100% speaking as one of the two Jews on the channel seeing someone like Magneto and obviously what the other X-Men have to deal with just in general the embodiment of discrimination i think this is the perfect man for the job i think they really nailed and i again just going to reiterate that point that

greg made earlier in that he knows how to stick with themes and not cop out from them and i'm hoping they're going to allow him to do his thing and not have do the studio oversight thing where they say nope you got to do this you got to do that you know what i mean i'm all for like you know sticking with the in regards to the MCU of like sticking with keeping it connective and all that of course but we got to let the filmmakers do their thing if you hire them for a vision let's stick with it let the guy do play to his strengths and i really like this director i don't know what else he's done being quite you know transparent but i really enjoyed this film a great deal and i think he's the perfect man for x-men i i completely see why they got him you know like i'm not going

and just try to repeat a lot of what you said. I'll try to be a little additive here, I guess. Yeah, I mean, if you're, X-Men does deal with all those things. Like X-Men's such an introspective journey. It's more than just people with powers and cool. So much of X-Men is about self-acceptance, you know, and, and, and it deals with prejudices. There's, and self-judgment. Grief, of course, abandonment, loneliness.

There's rejection. X-Men deals with all this. And the Thunderbolts, yeah, in some ways this is like his greatest audition for to do an X-Men movie. 100%. You know, even doing everything with the century and going through the psychological mind games and the set pieces, it was like, oh, man, this is his Professor X moment right here, you know? You did say that, yeah. I think that is a fantastic touch. And now we can just refine that skill.

And on top of that, too, it's like the thing is, when. you're doing a comic book movie you have to be able to do both you have to be you have to be able to have the that's why i think people love james gun because james gunn loves emotions loves human emotions and loves why people loves knowing why people are the way they are and he loves action and i think that's what jake demonstrated here with this movie is he loves action one of the things that we call an x-men you have to demonstrate the unique set of skills that each individual has And even in the fight scenes here, I pointed out at one point that it's pretty cool

when they're doing these like tracking shots or watching them fight that you see how different each one of them fights as opposed to just everyone's getting like the same level of choreography. And that to me is another great example of what to do. And there's some distinctness in the way it's like visually shot and done and to carry on those emotional themes whilst giving us an entertaining action movie is how many Marvel,

movies have failed by that. I know, like, how many, how many of them have not, maybe not even fail, but not really hit it as hard as it could have did. Yeah. And I think he, his fact that he stuck to his guns with also structurally doing something different, I was, I think absolutely he's a perfect bet. I would also add that James Gunn likes music a lot, too. Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, great point. Thomas Doherty. This is great for many reasons. But do you think they spent too much time in your lanis trauma and mental health? and not spending enough time with the rest of the team. Fair question. When I said there was a couple things I wanted more. I knew you were thinking that.

I really, really did. I love Yelana's character and what they have done with her, but it would have been interesting to see John Walker, Ghost and Guardian, face their trauma in the shadow world. Thoughts. Okay. We saw a glimpse of John Walker and dealing with it for sure. In regards to Ghost and Red Guardian,

again, it was kind of explored in regards to dialogue. hear it, him talking with, with Elena, and again, kind of seeking some validation and forgiveness also, just in general, the validation he seeks in the glory. I definitely would have liked to explore it from a visceral point of view in regards to Red Guardian, but ghost 100%. I know we got a little bit of that, Ant Man and the Wasp, what she deals with physically on top of the, some of the mental trauma that she also has been dealt with, but she's a perfect candidate for this type of film to really get, again, that this. experience in the void so i definitely would have liked it especially with eva a little more

with walk or two but i think the stuff with yelena was so damn compelling while i was missing that i was still so immersed with what we were seeing from yelena that it didn't bother me a ton but i was i definitely was thinking about it if that makes sense well i think they give a good They have more to Yelena than everyone else, but most of it is actually towards Bob. Like, that's, Bob's the main one out of anyone. Like, Bob's the main one, right? They're the mirrors. And in some ways, you kind of just get a more expanded version of what you got from.

I mean, Yelena gets more like she gets to, she gets the bomb with Red Guardian, her dad, and she gets to have, like, more monologues and lines of dialogue that actually touch on it. but that's also in tune with who Yelaina's character is. Yeah. I'm doing so much multitasking while talking. But Yelina's, Yelena's always been kind of vocal. She's always had that childlike sense.

Whereas to my association with Ghost and with John Walker, they're not ones to really start talking about their emotions. You know, they're not ones to really open up where as much as Yelena can push it down and block, she also can be quite vocal. And so is Alexi. So I think it makes sense within characters, but all that being said, I definitely do feel like they set up stuff with not really ghost, but they set up with John Walker, too. And they touch on it, how he lost his family.

And the idea like, oh, at the end of seeing, he's got a newfound family. I like, I get it. But there is like sort of missing cathartic beats that you kind of could have felt. That's it's more like the emotion that's missing. seem to give us those scenes that may i i actually feel like those were probably cut out i get the impression that those were in the movie and they cut them out and uh there's that's that's that's at least my instinct because considering how well fleshed out so much of this is um but i do i do feel like it would have been great to to watch a little bit more of the resolve definitely happen with them

yeah instead of you know just kind of brushing but i did like that we got a little bit and we humanized as much as we could with Valentina and seeing, you know, the, again, the traumatic experience that she had to go through as a child, seeing her father taken right in front of her, and kind of mirrored a little bit also

with Bob and with Yelena that it all started her trauma as a child right, and her grief. So, you know, and she tries to take control of that with power, you know, so I thought that was very fascinating, even though we only got a moment with her as well. I think the biggest

thing was i would have loved to have seen you know because she's really got some messed up crap although she was kind of killed right away was taskmaster i would have loved to have gotten in the void with her that would have been fascinating absolutely i mean her dad brainwashed her and made her a weapon if that ain't effed up i don't know what is so that you could you could have gone all different explorations in that in that sense let's see here um oh i didn't clap the last time Maurice Gray Jr. Wait, aren't high school? Sorry, I've ruined your moment there.

Maurice Gray Jr. Thank you so much for the question of being a royal reject. In your opinion, which Thunderbolt fell the farthest before the team assembled? Who do you think needed this team the most? Well, who fell the farthest?

That's easy. John Walker, remember he jumped up? Who fell the farthest before this? I think they wanted a team the most is taskmaster. Honestly. i mean she was yeah we just talked she was so abused by her dad

he's like completely warped yeah i really do i will take this moment to say i i am not a fan of how they handle taskmaster i'll agree with that's that's probably the one part about this that i'm like oh really didn't like the execution on that and and maybe the actress doesn't like playing taskmaster maybe the marvel's like we got to just get rid of their shit um it is uh but rewatching

black widow and knowing the whole time who taskmaster really is and like this is like this is messed up yeah and she finally gets to be free and then she just killed off like a nothing like a nothing character like she's like she's like a nothing character yeah i think they heard the they definitely heard the criticisms from black widow and i think to your point yeah they just said you know let's just be done with it but again i think the the application so which could have a pride with her with the trauma there's so many different ways you could have went about this yeah and i just think she's such a fascinating it could have been you know explored in such a fascinating character so i'm kind of sad we didn't go that route but and it's definitely a down point but in regards to

who fell the farthest before the team assembled um you got anyone uh i mean in terms of like if we're talking immediate plot points uh yeah i think it's i think it's john walker yeah okay because ghost has had freedom and found some agency and john walker's still like the shamed guy you know i mean i don't think john walker has the hardest pass or the most traumatic past no but in terms of most recent events yeah him who needed this team the most uh i would say i think it is elena i think that's why she's the main character century century's the one who needs the most century is part of the new avenger Chase Lee I was just reminding I appreciate Why the Did this bomb

I really like this movie I think maybe the marketing You know that I could see the marketing Making you think like Oh I got to do all this homework You know I got to watch like a bunch of TV shows I don't want to watch

I mean not a bunch but like one show in particular I think this movie was great. I just, it's a very depressed, I mean, it goes over, again, a lot of depressing themes. And it's just, I just don't know

if this is the type of, I could be totally wrong. I don't know if this is the type of movie because if the budget is so high, like most movies, if it's got on the lower budget, and I don't remember the exact budget. We'll look at it towards the end,

but this would probably be a win for most movies, but because it's on the Marvel budget, I just don't know if this type of film, it's not your prototypical MCU action, you know, adventure film. Even the characters, too, are not like people, anyone. Yeah, like, is this a film you're going to go see three, four, five?

Like, I saw the first Avengers film about ten times, no joke. Yeah. I love this film. It's great. It really gets into deep character exploration and themes. I don't know if I'm going to see this ten times in theaters. So in regards to why did it bomb, I would say possibly that. Yeah, pretty budget.

And also, I think there's like this, I mean, Alexi's from, Lexi and Elena were introduced in a movie that was not that successful falcon and winter soldier which is john walker was uh not um one of the big it was like big at the time but it was sandwiched between one division and loki so it's more of like it was put on the lower tier at the time and became appreciated later on at the taskmaster's part of that too uh the black widow one no one really knows who bob is and uh oh was that a ghost was an ant man in the walls yeah that's a good point when you're talking about the marketing too it's like wait yeah it's not it's not it's like bucky's the one they would rely on the most um but still it's it's like supporting players that were not really part of like the hugest ones outside of bucky

uh okay actual question you take it away yeah okay actual question who would win in a fight the new avengers with taskmaster or these tv show heroes iron heart kate bishop moon night Echo, Agatha, Miss Marvel, and New Captain America. I didn't add Loki, Wanda, or She-Hulk, because that wouldn't be fair. This answer is way too easy. If you're not using Century, the TV show Heroes, undoubtedly. I was going to say, if you got Century, like, you're going to be pretty much anyone, right? But if you have Century active involved, for sure.

Yeah, like. Yeah, there's nothing you can really do. Unless you got that taser, I guess, but you're only going to momentarily stop. it's funny how like this established new avengers none of them i mean ghost has a like a true superpower but most are just like super soldier reliant and then you got two like elena and captain america was not part of the avenger apparently that's why it made that joke when they were lifting the boulders like only three of them are probably really contributing but again i love i love the visual and the symbolization of this of this image of them working together it works

yeah he put it just as a joke i agree druid do you see the thunderbolts as marvel's darker version of the avengers or are they just the mc u's most dysfunctional family i love the movie and seeing it not make as much compared to some other mccu films a recent was disappointing thanks for everything you do regards druid i mean what do you think andrews is the marvellous darker version avengers are they just mcc's most i would say it's a combination of both again we've talked about before as you explore these themes and just the yes in the first avengers film just to go a little off but still keep it relatively um you know still on point we saw the dysfunction when it comes to the avengers like this team just coming together to even though there's ideologically they're

apart from each other but you know they have a common goal at the end it's kind of the same thing here with these people but you know we got this whole you know thing in regards to all the the depression all the trauma or the grief that we are all dealing with and the dysfunction but again the the camaraderie that we come to by the end of the film just works and and the cohesion of course but yeah i would say like that's the similar aspect to the two teams but yeah i would say darker version just because not only the the film's palette but just in general what the uh the film's darker themes were dealing with so i would say yes this is definitely the more disneyed dysfunctional and darker version of the Avengers 100% what about you I feel I feel more for the

most dysfunctional family side more on that front than darker version of the Avengers like the the setup of this Avengers is very different than than the other Avengers the other Avengers just seemed like they were heroes doing heroic shit and this version seems like there's you know political gain gain, you know, like literally on a fucking Wheaties box, you know? Like, there's there's all the, it's a little bit kind of like the boys in the, in the

sense of like, there's a, there's a control to the Avengers, and ensure Socovia, courts and whatever are a thing, which they do not address in this movie. But there, there's a different lens to it. And I could see why someone like a Captain America hates what it is, because that's not what

the Avengers should be. So I view it more as like a dysfunctional family where there's like a, there's an agreement in place that keeps them from being killed basically and even though eulina says we now own you it's like in some ways there's like mutual beneficial stuff here uh because there's a really easy way where they're just branded as criminals and fugitives and outlaws you know and so i like i like uh i like it more of the dysfunctional family side and but i also like the idea of like the ickiness of the kind of avengers that they're they're under right because i didn't feel like wow

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faith or even excitement for Doomsday knowing they're starting to set it up with this movie and obviously have a plan also because this team will be in the movie? Wow. Great question. I have actually not read any of the comics for Doomsday. Having said all that, this

definitely gives me lots of excitement just that we're willing to explore these types of things and also we got Bob. But yeah, no, I definitely yeah for if we're if we're if we're gonna have again we we kind of talked about this coming into the movie we don't get a lot of to put in a baseball analogy we don't get as many home runs as we used to in the emceu so if we can we get more like doubles and singles and triples every now and then but if we can

stay on the path of this kind of quality of film a hundred percent i know that movie's got a tall order and task just from all the fans of any of the doomsday comics and that character in general and yeah I think like if we can stay on this route in terms of quality 100% but this gave me a lot to be excited for and then we

had Deadpool and Wolverine recently as well so there's definitely been a few films that have gotten me more excited about the MCU recently so this definitely gives me a lot more for sure what about you? Ooh you're like Zoom's Day is an interesting

pivot movie because I'm I'm too aware of machinations behind the scenes of they clearly because the thing is they had a they had a very clear plan with with King and then because of Jonathan Major's situation and like they dealt already with like pandemic and and you know strikes but they could still like go through with a plan but then they couldn't go through with a plan because of the Jonathan Major situation and so they've been having to do a lot of pivoting and a lot of like a like a And one of the other earlier comments, they mentioned shit like Echo, moon night. I don't feel like we're ever going to hear from them. You know, like there's certain things they set up for even future installments. I'm like, I'm not even sure anything's going to really happen with that because their plans have been thwarted. But, you know, you're saying clearly they have a plan. I'm like, I think they'll be doing a great job with the pivoting and maybe perhaps this was always meant to sort of set up going into Fantastic Four.

it doesn't really honestly it doesn't really move the needle in terms of excitement for me because like I thought Captain America was one of Marvel's worst movies Brave New World that's fair and but then I think this is one of Marvel's best movies

so it's weirdly because like wow what a swing you know and honestly the thing that would set me up that would get me the most excited for Dooms Day is a fantastic four is just as good of an experience that that's what I That's what would get me truly excited. Yeah, see, that's the thing.

It's like every time I get so excited, then the Captain America comes out, I'm like, shit. Yeah, that's a fair point. Jules are. Oh, did we? Oh, yeah, sorry, my bad. Jules are. Thunderbolts has become one of my faves.

I really connected to these characters for some reason, especially Yelena. I think it was seeing her process through her past, trauma was it could be past transgressions or past traumas okay thank you have either of you felt connected to a character

deeply like this that's a very thought-provoking question very nice like in a and like Marvel I think the question is just broad in general of course

I mean in regards to this movie it was definitely Bob I liked your point about Dexter because I actually those haven't come out yet but I actually did make it a point to say like I really resonate with him aside from the vigilante stuff.

I mean, you guys saw my reaction to warrior. That one really hit me. Oh, yeah, yeah. But in terms of MCU characters, I would like to actually kind of stick to this for a second. Yelena's moment where she's talking with Alexi really got me crying because Yelena, I'm not sure if I've ever cried during another MCEU movie,

but Yelena's moment of especially when Alexi is saying like you're his childhood like you bright in the room and there's this like gap in development that happens in life where you're like when did this all start going dark? When did this all start changing? You know like you don't really see

it's like kind of like when you gain weight when you don't really see the progress happening there's one day you're like wait a minute I've gained like 50 pounds what the fuck who this come from and sometimes that's that's how darkness can work yet the perception of other that people can have of you can be like oh you're so full of joy you're so full of light and it's that analogy of being like that that guy with a smile that clown in the room but underneath

the clown's smile was a sadness you know that's how you get like a robin william situation and i i i think with yelena that i i can't i would 100% say like i don't think i've ever connected with a um a female character as much as yelina she's amazing yeah i really like really a standout in regards to tv i'm going to stick with him for drama with dexter just because not only that that empty void of feeling nothingness

but also to like how socially awkward he becomes and has to put on this facade to feel like he is fitting in so from there i would say dexter in regards to the mc u granted i don't have the body of anywhere near what chris evans looks like as Steve Rogers, I just think, like, the principles and the morals I live by are very Steve Rogers-esque, you know, very noble-esque, always trying to do the right thing no matter what, no matter what type of wall is standing in my way, and always standing for, like, peace and goodness in that way as well.

I would say I resonate with Steve Rogers and just always trying to have, just be a good character in general. I would say Steve Rogers Like the only thing that's come into my mind Resonate wise But I want to be a playboy like Tony Stark But I don't see that happening I also really connected with Bob in this movie man Yeah for sure 100%

Like these characters are all people who are hung up On their past mistakes They're on their gilts Yeah And when you get hung up on your guilt It can evolve into shame And then shame is just a vicious cycle Like you see with the Yelena

Of how she's you know She keeps resorting back to drinking She knows her pattern She spells it out for her life of what her pattern is you know and Bob in the past was like resorting the drugs and shit and him having to learn to hug his darkness is a is a crazy prospect and the the idea too with everyone here of how they're all seeking human connection like I was hearing about it today of how friends can be life-saving friends can be you know we hear the term found

family a lot but friends are it's so important to nurture those friendships and and and And, yeah, I think people take friendships for granted. Honestly, I know I'm incredibly guilty of that. And this movie is one of those that reminds you of unique human connection and friendship is so, so important. That's how we have evolved as a human race. It's the only way we evolve as people. I think at the end of the day, like success itself, depending on how you view success, can be a void if you don't have human connection. you know and I think that's what the online world has done to us in a lot of way too is it it interrupts the flow of human connection when we are misledded to thinking we are more connected than ever so yeah now I feel that because like just speaking here on this incredible platform like I really try to please everyone and I realized I can't do that unfortunately and you know when I do see sometimes those negative comments which I know I should stay away from like it sometimes it really does affect me because I've been

in that guilty phase of trying to please everyone but i think at the end of the day as long as i i look in the mirror know that i i i'm honest with myself and i give myself everything i can that i can live with that and but i think to your point as well last thing i i do agree like and that's where i did relate to bob not to not to sound repetitive but yes that that that that warmth and compassion that i got from my loved ones again that's that's the thing that most uplifted me when i was going through that depression so again that's what spoke to me the most when i was watching that and had such a visceral reaction for me as well yeah i think the the summary also demonstrates too that if when you can get in touch with your own pain and and not just rejected it can make you

a more empathetic individual too and it can make you by the way you're talking about warmth like you develop that from understanding yeah no 100% and like sorry i'm not trying to go on a attended just really quick like dark night rises i used to really hate that movie but after the depression i went through and at the understanding like bruce wayne like wow you really went through a depressive state in that whole film after what had happened in rachel and just like everything that was going on i was like actually really like this really speaks to me and resonates with me a lot more and i'm more empathetic to your to what you're saying so i'm like yes that that does i do agree with you there so a hundred percent like we find a lot of like building up inside just from like

the experiences that we get and like absolutely well i like too what they do with the characters in here is they show how your personality can form when you are in a state of repression you know like there's so much at the time where like one of my things that i suck at it really acknowledging that when i when i instinct when i start when i feel this feeling is guilt like when i feel guilty about something i don't immediately registered that that's what i'm feeling like it's a hard emotion for me to to acknowledge and so it comes out in other ways of like anger belittling stress like it comes out of these other different ways and i'm like oh crap i feel guilty and and and and i'm masking it with these other emotions i'm masking it with this other persona whether that be or or i use humor

you know and and and or become extremely passive aggressive like there's a lot of i'm not i make a lot of mistakes in my communication and that is one of them and i love that this movie's really does that with everyone even valentina even valentina it shows that like their personalities is the presentation that forms sometimes is so subconscious the presentation that we form because we're not in tune with how we're really feeling like when yelena's like lashing out at everyone i'm like you're a horrible person you suck this stuff because it's too painful to feel the real feeling of pain so it comes out in this other way and yeah i think it's so well illustrated this is one of my favorite emceu movies like hands down yeah

It just could, just, the sensibilities it's playing on just really vibe with me, you know? For sure. Spoke to me as well, man. Powell, uh, Casam, catch, Maurek. Take it away, Andrew. 38 minutes for it. Hey, guy, yeah, we'll try to speed through here. That's fine, man.

Hey, guys, this is about the post-credit scene, so I'll still be a big cryptic in the post-credit scene. Two characters talk about a potential lawsuit. being filed by a certain Marvel character for a certain name. Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks it would be a terrible idea for a side plot in the upcoming Avengers solely because of how ridiculous and out of character it would be. Love you guys, love Thunderbolts. Thank you for the question.

We really appreciate you. It definitely did feel a little high character, but also too, I think, again, just pointing out the great point you made, he does have principles of which he stands by, and, you know, again, just talk about. talking about the dysfunctional side and like is that what the Avengers do stand for and like you know monetary gain and all that other stuff so I'm like there's going to be a clash of ideologies there so it's like we got to get on the right side of like how we do things here with the Avengers and I guess Cap is like the actual leader now so it's going to be interesting I will say this in regards to the lawsuit thing I don't know if we need to go that territory route but it's going to be fun and and interesting Jennifer Walters from she Hulk to represent of course And Matt Murdoch's going to represent the other team. It's definitely going to be fun to watch the ideological differences in the clashing there.

Because I think like the dramatic weight when we see the two teams, Nakalong, kind of just grounds these films. Because obviously we're not going to resonate with these people from a superhero level, you know, perspective. So we got to have emotional stakes and dramatic stakes. But I think that's going to be fascinating. But in regards to, again, the lawsuit stuff, I don't know. to see that particularly what about you now i mean i don't know i should i feel like that's really

going to happen or we do a spin-off a marvel one shot it's that might be fun i haven't been clapping consistently it's gonna be hard to put together kev b hey gregg and and andrew wish you had a day filled with warmth and quiet joy i wouldn't say that but it came in the form of thunderbolts eventually if you could add any marvel character to the thunderbolts lineup who would it be and how do you think they'd change the team's dynamic especially they're not exactly a team player material i would totally add punisher oh that would be good i think punisher i like that it's in boy home boy um clearly needs connection rules like he he's such a loner and he missed he like had a family and and he was a he's a former

military man he's all about brotherhood and connection and family and if there's anyone who is like Mr. Trauma who pushes his traumas down. It doesn't know how to deal with it and completely isolates himself. It's Punisher. Furnisher would be a perfect addition to Thunderbolt. I love that pick and I actually am with you on that but I want to change

it up a bit. And I know he's already an Avenger. I'm going to go with Thor. One man has dealt with a lot of trauma. Come on. He had to take out his own sister, although I know he wasn't the one who did the finishing blow, but still took out his own sister. He had to fight his brother several times before

finally you know fixing that relationship he lost his mom he lost his dad he lost his planet yeah i mean that man's been through the ringer so and then again i know there's already a comedic beat in touch with these with the group and the but can you imagine the absolute comedy we would get with thor with the interactions with this group so i'm going to go with thor yeah good one clap please Clayton Crook, do you guys think the end of the movie was potentially rushed? I personally loved the movie, but I've heard the criticism of wishing to see the Umbremembers Trauma, find the way to reach Bob and Yelena. Thoughts, I mean, we did the thing.

We did touch on this earlier, and I do believe a lot of that was cut out of the movie. Yeah, yeah. I mean, once the whole team, like, oh, they're just here. Yeah. I think you could have spent maybe a few minutes just showing really quickly, snippets even because I think I praise that moment like we talked about with Valentina just humanizing her

in that moment I think it would have been definitely a little bit of a cathartic experience for even us the audience as well as the characters if we would even just got 30 seconds even with each character really quickly leading up to them all you know getting there I get it they wanted to have a nice

surprise reveal that all them came in there because we possibly thought it was one of them like ghosts or something it's more of a runtime problem okay I think it's already over two hours. Yeah, it was like two 13. By the way, I never

truly felt the run time. I thought the run, I thought it was really well-paced. Yeah. To be honest, so I would have been okay with adding another four or five minutes if it, you know, gives your characters a little more, you know,

development in regards to that and that cathartic experience, as we just pointed out. Yeah. Peer reject, who is your favorite Thunderbolt's character? Oh, it's between Bob's a Thunderbolt So again, because I've

Resignated the most with him I'd have to go Bob But Yelena, it's between Louis Pullman and Florence Pugh In regards to best performance They stood out the most Amongst the incredible performances

We did get, but I'd go with Century I think what I liked about Century Greg is How we were mixing the vulnerability With his power And you know, the instability, and I think like it just really separates him from all the other superheroes

and how they were just so carefully able to craft this you know his trauma and his mental illness and again everything we got with that I just think it really sets him apart from most superheroes that we see on screen on top of the other things that I was able to just relate to with him so I would say that's why he would be my favorite thunderbolt on top of the power level too

I mean, before this movie, if you were just going to go off that, I would have probably said Bucky before this movie, especially because my favorite portrayal of Bucky is actually in Falcon and Winter Soldier. I think he's brilliant in that show and severely overlooked for how great he is in that show. And I don't feel like this performance here is the defining Bucky performance. And nor does it, like, it's definitely like Bucky has a role to play. here but there's not much like character development for bucky here outside of you know they had like a little couple beats of hey i know where you guys have been so i can like help guide or teach

and i thought they would like kind of lean more into that in some capacity i think or i thought maybe like yeah i thought there might be a little something there but this movie actually avoids some predictability and cliches uh it for sure it's like it's character yelena i mean i florence pew is just an incredible actress um definitely connected with her but yeah to your point with Century that's that's an amazing part because in Marvel often and said like we have a they have a villain problem they have a villain problem and Century is

not even like a villain in this he's he's it's more of like he creates an antagonistic situation but he's not an he's not even an antagonist and it's like the villain is within is what it really is it's not a it's not really an external problem but it's not really an external

villain outside of Valentina so I think like how they how they did that with of course like yeah what you just said i kind of said it better of how it's the power set is reflective of what's going on within and then you see that how destructive that can be when you don't resolve it and not just it could be self-destructive but it could also harm others as well let me go here last question please j rushden thank you jay being a royal reject and for the

question we appreciate it like do you know the man thing was to be in the movie but could not be in this because was in where we'll find night so what other character used uh not used should have been in thunderbolts like here i actually have not seen where we'll find night that's great i know i need to watch it's great i know i know maybe i'll react it one day on here i don't know we'll see but i will check it out one day um maybe we said punisher and stuff earlier but yeah um who would be another i said i said i said thor right yeah so um i'm trying to think loki would be such a fun addition to this team don't you come on of course loki would be a fun he would be great with this team i mean that guy's gone through some trauma too man i mean hasn't everyone gone through trauma

in the mcc yeah of course yeah go if killmonger was still alive i would say kill Oh, shit, that'd be another good one. If Kilmonger was alive, he would have been a great idea. This were a what-if. Because the idea of Thunderbolts is you take villains. Yeah. People who were, like, perceived as villains. Loki?

Loki. That's why I think Loki does work. Yeah. Cilious. Oh, from Dr. Strange? Actually, I think Wanda would be a great addition. Oh, yeah. 100%.

Wanda would actually be a really nice edition. Oh, my God. The shit in her mind and the trauma shit. And the loss of her brother. He would be such an overpower team. Yeah, with her and Century, forget it. You don't even need the rest of the team. They just sit back, chilling while they're doing the work 100%.

But, yeah, Wanda, Loki, Kilmonger, definitely some interesting choices for sure. Michael, what if that. I mean, that's it for our questions. Thank you guys for some of these questions. Thank you. Thank you. I actually look some stuff up too.

Okay. Unless, do we have final thoughts, by the way? Final thoughts? Really enjoyed the music a lot. It was very moving and melancho. and colic cinematography was different MCU is often accused

of having like the same look in this looked different there's actual flare in the cinematography and the composition and framing of so much of this movie yeah I also pointed this out earlier I love how especially in that third act

they really desaturated some of the images there and really felt like you you because they did that you it kind of felt the emotional themes and weight of the visual and there's exactly there's like a great sympathico with the with the with the with the with the

with the CGI and the practical effects a hundred percent like how often do we hear people be like the hook him CGI in Marvel and I'm like the CGI here's incredible like there's only one mother world your lane his face looks weird which he's going through it but I'm like ah but it's also in the minds I don't really give a shit but most of the time it looked amazing and I got

to say this still I know we kind of mentioned a couple of times in regards to reference this to terminator two the two movies I always use as staples for blending CGI and practical um you know is Terminator 2 Judgment Day in Jurassic Park and Jake Schreier is clearly a big fan of Terminator 2 and I think he really understood the assignment when it came to blending those two together because other than that one shot you just mentioned there are hardly any times

and one of my favorite shots of the movie and I think yours as well was that tracking shot that we stayed on where they were all coming at Century and like again I really did not notice much CGI in that shot it just felt like the blend and it just took me back to T2 and Jurassic Park, but he was doing his own thing there. I really appreciate it while being stylistic at the same point. There's some great like oneers in here. Like the oneers are often like or or the overhead. Remember that

overhead shot and the going into the shadows with Yalena? That was awesome, man. That's what I mean. That's what I was trying to say earlier. Like this guy loves human emotion and he loves action. Oh, this got me super. I think you got a thousand percent pull up an X-man movie. Yeah, I was going to say, I'm sorry I didn't hear you the first five times, but it got

me really pumped that he's doing it. It's late at night, Andrews. Really quick. What did he I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Just one question. What did it get on Ron Tomatoes? Oh, God. I thought it was pretty high, wasn't it? It wasn't like 90?

88. That's pretty close. Audience. Last thing. Oh, I would say like 90. 90? 93. You were back.

Yeah. Good job, man. Good job. I mean, I remember Ron and Tomatoes is high, but I didn't remember. I actually never knew the audience score before that. You were close. I'd be shocked if this got a shit. I'd be like, what this movie is?

This is one of Marvel's. best i think this is definitely one of marvel usually critics they usually reward really good emotional and character you know driven stuff and this film excels it it represents it represents a maturity that i think mccc needs they like the shows are willing to go darker now uh for the most part and uh depends on your watch you're watching and it's really go darker and and i think for the cinema like the the maturity level of it is is is a good call um but yeah man i i i loved it i would love to go into facts some time but it is so late for us right now and i're at 51 minutes now guys it's it's a very long talk and i got like extra work to do so thank you so much for being here uh thanks

and james i appreciate you skipping out on the theater experience with me to cover we're we're trying to do both around here have people go watch it in the movies so we can promote of course the theater experience but then we also really do believe in like what we do here for the movie reaction side and getting to show the experience to you guys and uh you know and also promote the vod side Come on, man. VOD. Buy this movie. We own it. You can own it too. Buy this movie. Studios will appreciate that maybe. Huh? I think Disney will finally cut us that check we've been needing for like 10 years. I've been waiting for that damn check forever. I got to send them the right. I got to send them the right actress. Address. I want my crazy perks that I apparently get, which is an early screening. I will, I sell out so I can get an early screen.

Anyway, all right. We'll see you guys. for being here. It's those negative comments, that negative self-talk. Don't do it. See you guys. Thank you for being here.