The Reel Rejects - We Watched ROGUE ONE After Andor Season 2 & It Hit SO DIFFERENT!!

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

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Thank you to Acorns and Huell for sponsoring this video. More on them in just a bit. Dude, oh man. Oh, didn't Greg Fraser shoot? I did not expect to get fucking emotional about some of that. I was like, all we're saying, but I really felt like we watch an experience that was like the next chapter, not like, let's go back and do this, you know.

Yeah, I had a hard, a very, I wasn't really able to successfully divorce myself from the reality that this is a movie that came years before the and or show. Yeah. Well, so much of it feels in line with the characterizations up till now. like yeah actually for fucking brilliant about it Diego Luna you're like damn you really do feel like the the next phase of this guy like exactly where we left yeah it's crazy to say bye to him was uh was really sad that was that was hard

and K2S oh man I was like oh shit man sacrificed this one Benjamin Brad I was talking about right baby all right ladies and gentlemen first off first off prepper

thanks for writing down these highlights i'm going to give an additional mention to these guys um they've been near the war zone territory um or i don't even know what the right terminology is it's been uh terrifying uh and where they're located led to some like trouble some times and we were like oh it doesn't matter go to the office

no no that it's not the tone of the conversation it was not the ton of the conversation and it would surprise me the other day when they were there and i was like are you guys sure you want to be here yeah only be here if you feel safe because if you don't and and the fact that uh they were still doing some work while like in a terrifying scary thing and when they uh i i just heard the head of them like hey if the one wants to come in like please don't even don't even don't even encourage the opposite it yeah because i like i don't fully understand the parameters that are happening or or the perimeters of that are going on in your guys the vicinity um but i want to say to say

say a lot like you got the extension of the channel and everything but what you guys have done over the weekend is insane to me that you you still like delivered and showed up and everything and uh thank you very much that means that means the hell of a lot and the whole company as a whole for even the other teams you guys edit for or reactant channels you had it for like this i know a lot of you guys still uh stood behind so thank you uh all you guys but especially our team really really appreciate it and yeah we watched rogue one uh after covering and or and uh i'll say man i got to say like it ended up being more worthwhile than i anticipated and we knew it would and it's been like an interesting era of real rejects

because lately you know we've we've been watching a little bit more movies that are films that we did see this once but we don't really remember that's been a lot of like the tone of a lot of what we've been covering yeah whilst other things are brand new for sure we still do a lot of that but a lot of the tone has been that and I like I like how we get to go in and give here's what's different about this one though compared to the other ones a lot of them are plain simple just don't remember and part of the fun rewatching has been the different perspective that we can have not just from who we are as people in real life who we how we've changed and how our point of views in life have evolved grown or whatever but having a different type of film experience like we did jack reacher movies after covering the reacher season three and then that was great to go back and like have this comparison to it and this is the most unique rewatch experience i think we've ever had where even when moments did feel familiar it felt like a first time watching like it's like in a movie or show or a lot of like anime

stuff that i love we're like oh now you see it from this perspective and it feels like a completely different thing and you see it from this perspective and to you to get it from and or of such a brilliant show and to see like this seamlessly transitions it it is seamless it is freaky how smooth the transition is it's phenomenally seamless like and the and what really aids is two and a weird thing that we didn't bring about all during the reaction is like Diego Luna looks like the same I know so many of the people involved but especially Diego Luna looks like he did just fly off screen into this movie Benjamin Brat looks the most different definitely does he looks a lot older here it's weird and also uh I would say

Genevieve O'Reilly looks very different sure you know in fact in the Andor show like she looks really natural here and I didn't say during a reaction for the Andor show but in the end of her show it kind of looked like oh she's doing a costume for how she looks in Rogue One sure a tiny bit sure I wasn't, like, bothered when I saw her, but it kind of has that. Where she actually is a lot more natural here in her fitting. I think you would prefer that almost. Because, too, where that occurs in the Andor show, you know, yeah, you're toward the end of that. So it's not, yeah, it's not a big enough incongruity to really take you out or anything like that.

But I get what you mean. It's like, yeah, it looks like more that's one of the less seamless elements in a show and then transition to movie filled with seamless elements. I remember I remember loving the movie when I first saw it not like this though to quote switch from the Matrix Not like this

Not like this Not like this This is wild to me It's kind of weird right It's like kind of wild This is a rare experience you get with Like Is there another

There has to be maybe one or two But like a movie where you can watch it and then all of a sudden yeah they build this whole other appendage that goes ahead of it that then completely re-contextualize the movie doesn't even

re-contextualize the movie it just deepens the context that much more because it's like I think the first time when we all saw this it was like oh this is like way better than a single sentence out of a crawl text would have you believe it could be and then you look back on it

and then you come into it now post Andor and you're like oh my god this is the culmination of so much stuff and I expected sitting down here that this would yeah be like a fun cherry on top and it would be kind of like a neat coda to everything and like yeah we know that they get there and they get the plans

delivered but this felt way more vital and way more like up to the moment and like it's fascinating to watch something where like I know I have literally seen this before but contextually speaking especially it feels like the first time well let's start with like

the tiniest of characters to show the impact of it melchie melchie in general draven two people that i had to be a melchie i was reminded of in between um after watching seven through nine that it's some uh i think it was a screen crush video that reminded me that melchie's in rogue one yeah i was like oh okay i didn't even i did the life of me maybe it wasn't mentioned a screen crush reader i just wasn't looking up at the time general draven i legit had no clue he was in this movie throughout the movie all of and or not thinking he's in it yeah and when you watch this on its own i don't see how you would possibly be invested in them outside of i need to see what they do because it adds importance to things that move forward

yeah but as characters you know i'm not like i melchie's barely in this film and it's you feel that bummer of in fact i said oh unceremonious death scene because of how much screen time he gets in the final episodes of and or and the relationship he has with and or that in the context of having the show i'm like oh this feels a little unceremonious the way how he died yeah but you know it Without the show, though, of course his death would be treated with a way that doesn't feel like it needs to have this much of a focus because he's a character that people probably won't even really remember. And now imagine that, but for the bigger characters, you know, like, whoa, to have an impact on the presence of the smaller appearances, even with, like, Mon Moth, Mahath, I know, like, like, Ma'amah and Baylor are, like, all throughout the Star Wars lore in a variety of ways, right? and different appearances. But, man, to do this with K2SO, Andor, and, uh, Krenic, God.

Saw Guerrera, yeah. Yeah, dude. Well, this would be our live action introduction to him. So like, yeah, he's just kind of way back in my memory banks of seeing this without all the andor stuff. Yeah, like, I remember you brought this up during this watch of thinking that perhaps he's like a bit over the top. and I remember people generally being like, man, you know,

Forrest Whitaker's kind of unhinged in the movie. And then when you see it on the heels of Andor, like, again, it feels so much more natural and fleshed out, even though, like, within the confides of the movie, it's not, you know, it doesn't change the text of the movie, but it does change, like, I've never experienced something like this before with a film specifically where, again, I guess every movie should be able to stand on its own,

but this really picked up a lot of weight and quality. And, yeah, like, even a character like that who was like a neat, but, you know, kind of larger than life presence the first time now becomes, like, this vital, you know, volatile character. And without the full recollection of, like, what's going to happen, you know, down to the nitty-gritty details, like it brings back, especially with a character like that, that element of unpredictability and that tension of desperation

that, you know, resonates through. throughout this and like I don't know even with the Melchie thing I'm of two minds because part of me is like there's certain things that obviously play out because this was a contained movie

and you're not going to get as many sentimental moments with people part of me does feel like there is a nice illustration that this movie gives that like literally sometimes the fight is just throwing your body onto

some other force in order to create a crucial opening for somebody else and while it would have been nice for melchie to get like a moment part of me is like well here on the ground and all this fire fight like that's just how it goes you know and like oh i meant it more and like uh you know let the camera linger on him yeah of course like when bays dies yeah he dies in an explosion but the cameras like linger on yeah gives him his whereas like he he dies off camera and he cut back you cut back he's just dead yeah yeah yeah for sure yeah fuck melchie fuck him glad he died the way he died

and we didn't take a minute to commemorate his life the Saw Guerrera one is the is right when I was like whoa this is this is going to be something different because yeah like Saw saw is a character in that I've experienced

in you know Jedi Fallen Order Clone Wars so we've experienced some other mediums and this guy was like span this so much time in there and like what's what's cool to me about it is I think that flack that Forrest Whitaker got was memorable but yeah I remember hearing a lot of different sides of it or two sides and one side that had a loud

a loud voice I don't know if it was minority or a majority is that he is really like over the top and chewing like too big you know yeah too much seen chewing and you saw heat did you do you know one of the things about uh it's a it became known like famous behind the scene stuff with he with alpuccino um with his character in that why he's so like loud and crazy oh his character um is a cocaine addict i was going to be my guess yeah and but they they didn't put that in the move in the movie but that is a part of his character that's why he behaves like that in the film and and then you and then i felt like i I started thinking of that with watching this. Sure.

Oh, he's a drug guy. He's strung out. And he just keep huffing. He just, yeah, he's huffing just kind of on the regular. It's like his state of being now. But I thought, I really thought when I first saw this that it was like an oxygen thing. Yeah. And it's not fully confirmed here either.

But yeah, you get the sense of like this must be like a, yeah, a slow delivery of rhidonium vapor or something like that. I think what I would notice in his performance is that the paranoia, as they established in the show, would be amplified. So the paranoia would kick in. And I think when he would hit it, I keep forgetting the name of it. Rido. Rydonium. When he would hit the Rido, it seemed to him, the way he communicated was that his suspicions were now confirmed.

You know, it's not that he took it. this paranoid went down it's that I believe my paranoid in my conclusion paranoid though it may be yeah Sa Guerrero is and it suddenly makes you really like this moment yeah in some ways

what this movie feels like to me is and I said it during is that it's a sequel um like when a movie gets a sequel show yeah a sequel movie I'm fundamental when a show gets a sequel movie a show gets a sequel movie and a lot of times though when a show

gets a sequel movie it feels like an unnecessary thing they're doing like they wrapped it up it's already in the show they like people like the sex in the city movie and maybe there's some important it's an entourage movie or something there's a lot of a lot better examples like my hero academia movie where where i kind of feel like um they gave us a version of oh and or in my in an alt world it's like oh and or season one and two ender season one and two uh ended and then they didn't get to complete their story but they get they allowed them to do the movie to complete the story sure you know yeah and and and it's and i think what it made me appreciate about and or is and or doesn't do any

appearances like with anyone where it's a wink at the audience like hey we're a prequel light or a prequel you know they don't do anything like that you you see that it's a prequel but there's there's none of that shit which is why this feels like a perfect next chapter because there's none of that winking that and i think something that subtlety goes a long way it makes this feel like the completion of now watching andor well and this is a movie that isn't doing a lot of winking either and so yeah like the congruity makes sense because if you did have a series that was heavily predicated on that, then it would feel weird that the movie doesn't do that.

And then, yeah, the way the events of the movie play out feel like they also inform the kind of just disposition, the demeanor that the show strikes and the way that, I mean, it's interesting. We talked about the feeling that, like, man, if this had a couple more moments and if this was, you know, like another three episodes of the show, they probably could have, you know, taken their time for a couple of things. But I think it is a testament to the fact that, like, it does. feel like with a slight

bit of expansion, this could be like the fifth cluster of episodes in Andor season two that would then truly cap the story of. Yeah. And well the themes are also similar too of like this whole story is about the sacrifice. Yeah.

And so much of Andor The whole thing is sacrifice. And our show is about sacrifice. Messengers and sacrifice. And too, I mean, yeah, it builds well off the last chapter of Andor there because that is where we lose so many beloved characters and there is such heavy cost and sacrifice of our specifically, you know, rebel alliance, you know, core characters.

And, like, it's a real beautiful feat of reverse engineering. Like, it really is, in many ways, if not all, you know, seamless. And it really feels like, A, even though so much time has passed, you're not really distracted by, like, people looking different. But, B, like, yeah, like, just the soundness of the themes. and again this the way the timbre of how events tend to play out

here just yeah feels very sort of palpable and like yeah any random little thing could go wrong and you know you might like somebody and they might have to make a noble sacrifice pretty quick and they might not be here very long and it it does like

create this different atmosphere where like you appreciate the present moment of characters more because like it's it's it's really cool for a franchise where so many of the installments have a certain level of like well you know that such and such and such

is going to happen by the end you know this I think the only thing that you're able to know is just that they'll get the Death Star plans but like everything else feels very sort of like by chance and I love that you know Andor is a show that has again so many characters

characters who we don't see here because they died characters who we don't see here just because they're not here and like you meet a lot of lot of people for brief paths of time, some people for longer stretches of time, and so like that pass through really feels alive here too

where like a certain character might come in briefly, but make a big impression and feel like a memorable part of this collective effort that everything is. Yeah. It's really impressive. It's like I've never felt this feeling. Yeah. I got

I can't lie to you, man. I've never, I've never, ever felt it before it's so special it you know in a strange way it has given me i have not felt super hopeful or super excited about star wars lately i haven't plain and simple and i you i've said it many times that if there's any of these franchises that they've brought back and have tarnished some of its reputation it's star wars sure star wars had the the beauty of like oh we're going to do the sequels now and you know Force Awakens was well received

everyone's like good simple formulaic Star Wars all right that's a good start yeah got it and then and Rogue 1 was good it was great and then you know after Last Jedi course changed so much started changing

you know like bad would get overshadow good like when you would have a mandalaure like fighting in the fandom would overshadow everything is probably the best way to put it yeah and because I can't be here

me like this is good this is bad like it's all up to opinion but the fucking friction and the hatred towards Disney and then and then it would affect the execution of the products of the projects I mean so this

re-ignited this excitement and hope and wanting for more Star Wars now because of how they managed to pull this off so much of star wars does um you know stays in this one fucking timeline for some reason you when you have the galaxy at your disposal and you could traverse the multiverse out of everybody everyone we could

traverse the multiverse it's probably star wars but they don't ever seem to really do it and the this suddenly feels like i don't know how to quite quantify my feelings on it the fact that they were able to do a prequel show where even then people were like is this really necessary do we really need and and a show about Cassian and or on the face value it seems like the stereotypical thing of like let's make a spit off about random character number five but it's the purpose of the it's the purpose of the character and the themes that the character and the surrounding characters involve carry with them it's the strongest case i think we have felt with probably anything of let's fill in some blanks and make filling in those blanks genuinely better stronger and more rewarding and surprising and that way it and then when it feels like necessary viewing like from the and or show to rogue one is is fucking brilliant like and or has that one moment here and they hinted it throughout the character of when he's talking with gin and when he recruits his team was like we've done bad things did and then the show that's what the show's about is all

whose things yeah the show's about some of those lines I've been in this fight since I was six years old as he tells her all this stuff and i remember not really being gravitated towards and or when i first saw this movie and like i remember thinking he's good but i don't recall him being like the big one of the big takeaways for me and i could something my brain is telling me like i feel like i could see some of the things they're going for like ah he's a little bit rudy and a little bit dark but uh you know the rough side of the tracks you know and and building up the choices he will later make but here i was so fully like attached to him yeah because it it doesn't if you it's usually when they do a prequel usually when like if you watch xman origins will brain let's even assume that

was a good movie Hugh Jackman looks so fucking different yeah to how he ends up looking in x-men 1 yeah that it feels like two very different associations and performances so yeah to have this here it's a it's a massive undertaking and something i did like you don't even watch fucking and or the show to so that way you could get to rogue one or see the tie in to rogue one you're not even watching it for that purpose i'm thinking about like it's weird that's my point yeah yeah it's good at pulling you into the present moment of the of like i guess i guess that's the worth in quality drama because it's like you know there's a conversation that often pops up about prequel anything because yeah there are a lot of stakes that are handled for you already

and I think you know like the the thing about the and or series the joke would often be like and or's not the most interesting or is even the lead character but I think like they've they've taken again this a crucial event and they've managed to flesh it out in a way that really sort of like begs the question of like what was the human cost of getting here and what all did it take to do that and you know as of the show and or goes from being yeah

this sort of directionless scavenging self-serving character to being this you know complete convert to the cause and it's like in the movie I remember seeing this the first time and yeah I was like I like I like Diego Luna but I don't really like have a major attachment to Cassie

and and or beyond just like I kind of kind of like this guy. And so, like, I was wondering going into this movie if he would feel like, oh, because I care so much about him now, is he going to feel like he's not in the movie very much, or if he's, like, off to the side? He's going to feel less depth, a little more diminished? Yeah. And I am really thrilled that it didn't feel like that. Like, he felt like a full present character in the movie. And again, because the show did such a nice job of building stakes by showing you other people, it makes sense then that we would shift our focus a little bit towards

gin or so and have and or still going through various iterations of his journey especially in the more cold-blooded aspects of it or the aspects that are very much sort of like on the mission and divorced from the humanity that's what we have to sacrifice sometimes

to get the job done like and without yeah needing any kind of it didn't feel like anything was missing and it didn't feel like anything was out of place with him in particular and like it's mind-blood it's like a little bit mind-blowing the way they were able to do that.

And I think, too, there's... Suddenly his performance is massively enhanced. Yeah. And it all makes... I'm astonished in a way, and I guess it would make sense because... Again, I don't know. I would imagine that he didn't get to develop the character in this movie every step of the way with Tony Gilroy. I would imagine.

I think Tony Gilroy did give him like 24 scripts. at first. Okay. I think he gave him the first two seasons. I've just been sitting around writing specs. I just really like,

and I just think this guy's really cool and I came up with the backstory for you. Yeah, and there's all these other people too. Yeah, yeah, so you're going to want

to get to know them just to have your homework in mind. Yeah. But like, yeah, like this feels remarkably like the homework he did for this

is in line with what later we will see before all this happening in Andor. And like, granted, we're on a part of the timeline where like, a character all that stuff would have already happened but you know we're on a part of the planet

earth that we live in timeline we're like half this stuff wasn't a twinkle in anyone's eye yet so like so it's a strength to him as the performer and I think it's also a strength to you know they probably had to look at this and keep kind of you don't even have to do that but like they probably looked at this a lot and in subtle ways made sure to keep that sort of continuity of tone and of spirit going I didn't know. And even beyond Saw Guerrera like his performance with the Rido and everything. It's

also his development of his faction and the rebellion of how they're like attacking these certain cargo ships now and now they're all coming to Jetta to come get him you know. He feels like a present it's weird like in the original viewing of this movie you feel like

oh it's like a cameo kind of or like a little brief appearance but oh they brought a clone they brought a Star Wars character who's only been featured animated that's what it was. I remember thinking it felt like a character from the animated world is being brought to life. And hey he showed up for a couple minutes how cool but here you're like

oh yeah like the whole part of the immediate conflict is because of shit you've been doing and now they're hovering their ship up here and like you know when he first shows up to save her you're like oh snap and it's a different part of the timeline so it just enriches the character

that we know up to this point and we know where he's going to go and then when you see him in the present and when you see his end it feels like the completing of something that was set up before not just like oh I met this guy and I've seen him in some animated shows and now he's dead you know it's like it it has a I'm just so kind of chuffed that it

yeah like is so well well rounded in so many ways despite how disparate some of the elements are and despite like the behind the scenes whatever that happened with this it seemed like the making of this movie could have produced like a way more jagged

disjointed experience and it's remarkable too because like i know there's been a lot made about how much tony gilroy did to you know amend this movie in various ways but i i mean it seems like both of the voices are in there in terms of like yeah this is about the spirit of rebellion it's like thematically on the gilroy wavelength there's there's zero scenes in this movie that match the amazing dialogue of an no no no there's no time for that shit In fact, that's like one of the, that's one of the aspects of this where it's not disappointing, because having, having the awareness that this is done years ago before and or, yeah, none of this was in mind at the time.

Because if this was, because here's the reality, if this was the actual reality of it, oh, they got a sequel movie, I would be disappointed by, by, yeah, by, by the, the the lack of that writing quality especially yeah the lack of the because this one is very straightforward and a lot uh and and and in the first time viewing without the and or show and also at its time when it came out with like what are they going to do with star wars what can they do differently with star wars it was a bit of a game changer you know like it felt like an actual war movie for people and i i remember saying that too like it felt like an actual war movie it's a little bit more gritty they fucking kill off everyone

everyone we like you know it's it's uh it's pretty bold moves and uh it felt like grittier you know in comparison to and or the show the show feels like exceptionally more grittier exceptionally more ugly uh exceptionally more tension filled

and stuff and what's cool about this though is this feels like when andor starts to really go into the star wars world with the music that they have here that's like a big part because the music really helps determine a lot of the tone and um yeah like what i would this be probably cooler if they like did more of what the and or show did sure of course i think so yeah but what we got to have it like be an adventure that doesn't seem to negate the tone of the and of the and or series still carries over the theme still cares it over because you you're kind of transitioning into feeling more star

warzy yeah uh in this journey classic star wars yeah because it starts off very dark with krennick showing up and uh you know killing mads mickleson's wife and then taking mads mickleson and her being alone starts off very dark and then uh and or killing that one guy who he gets information from so that's really feeling like oh we're picking up where and or left off and then we start transitioning to tone to be a blend of both something that feels more classic star Wars with the grit of the Andor series, whereas like the Andor series kind of strips away

all that tone of Star Wars hopefulness and excitement and rousingness and just leans into the ugliness. And so I think that's kind of like a really fucking cool thing that I'm swearing a lot of this one. That's kind of like a... I think that's actually a really cool thing that they

did do the blend, that it is a blend of both. And maybe in the real world, maybe they wanted to go like lean more lean further away from this usual Star Wars tone and go full grit and maybe they had a studio note where they had to blend it yeah we don't want to go a full war movie we just want to go a little bit more a war movie but yeah what do you think about krennick well hello again huel hu eL today's video sponsor lately i've been loving talking about huel because i've used it as an excuse to give you guys

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I mean, like, again, fully bolster. by everything we know up to this point. And two, yeah, like I already enjoyed, you know, at the time this came out, like I was enjoying the rise of Ben Mendelsohn in various parts. And I feel like this is part of his kind of being plucked into, you know, playing this kind of role a lot. But I thought, yeah, as far as Star Wars villains go, you know, it's like he, as of this movie alone, I remember being like, yeah, he really showed up. He brought his A game. His performance was memorable on top of than Andor, I think it's fun because you have an even greater depth with him that gives this movie a different flavor with him. Because you realize, the first time you watch it with no context, you mostly feel him sweating at the very end when he's like talking to Vader and Vader's choking.

Whereas here, now you go in realizing that like, oh, no, this dude like needs this to work now. And as much as he's trying to keep, you know, his steady composure and his imposing nature intact, like he is up against Tarkin. And Tarkin is like, we've seen all these illustrations in the show of people being burned after taking these massive risks and dedicating everything to the empire. And now you in this movie get to behold him as part of that food chain in a greater sense. And, you know, obviously, if you just watch this in isolation, he's just kind of a bad guy. but I still think that his performance notes worked well enough that then once you combine with Andor it feels like a fully complete character

and like watching him sweat here does feel like damn it really is like there's so many surprise kind of showdowns that are created by the events of Andor that some characters don't even realize they're happening but like yeah you're watching two very important paths collide and for Andor you know for the series Krennick does become one of the main faces of the villainy of the tyranny. This is one of the main heavy players we need to stop. And that does give this, I think, now like a greater sense of,

it makes it feel more momentous. Because yeah, when he finally shows up and it's the three of them on that platform, you know, it's like you pointed out, we've not really seen them meet much, if ever, but there's still now a greater sense of like, oh, it's not just that he's meeting the bad guy. like he's been he's meeting with this guy who has who he's been up against in so many different contexts up till now yeah and he's foiling his grandmaster plan and this plan that while it is all powerful and awe inspiring is like a desperate act so it's just a bunch of desperate acts and yeah i like that that flavor with krennick becomes more comes more into high relief i guess i would say here i agree you said it we said best i have nothing really more i can contribute to that man that you said the best i mean this I guess one thing I'll add before we If it's No there's more I want to talk about Oh okay I mean yeah

Like I think this is interesting And it comes out through characters Like Krennick and stuff like And talking about the transition Into Star Wars Like at the time this came out I remember thinking like And since other movies have come out

I often come back to the thought that like I think this is the best Of the movies they've made post original trilogy and prequels And it's not a person Perfect movie in isolation, certainly. But I do think, in a weird way, it is showing us and the success of Andor on top of this, and the fact that this was successful enough to merit the Andor show in the first place,

speaks to the idea that I think this is kind of like the Star Wars we need right now, because this is the most relevant version of this story to the time we are currently living in. It's like the sequels and a lot of the other stuff are stuck in this nostalgia mode where they want to feel, not only do they want to directly reference the text of other movies, but they want to feel like those other movies. They're so stuck in lore mode. Yeah, and I think here they literally and through Andor, they went like, yeah, what is

the construction of an empire and a rebellion and the conflict between and how are those things built and fought? Yeah. And those are different ideas and those are different flavors and here that's alive and true also, even though it's not as gritty as the

and or show and it doesn't have as many on-screen treatises about the nature of rebellion, of war, of sacrifice, all those things. It still feels like it's speaking to the harsher world that we live in in this moment and the, you know, instruments of tyranny that are a work in this version of society rather than a more, you know, an earlier, simpler time. True. You know. Yeah, I mean, I think this is very much a PG-13 movie or and or border.

orders on our feels like yeah you forget about the rating on and or whereas here you can feel it being pg 13 yeah yeah and and sometimes in terms of his content too but i i i really i really do love the movie um but yeah i don't think it's uh i don't think it's perfect though like i had i had some issues during my experience with the portrayal of jen ursophila c jones is a great actress and and there were parts in the transition that we were commenting on that I'm sure a lot of you guys more than likely do not again this is our point of view and it's a really easy habit when you do YouTube videos to get focused on what the disagreeing opinions will say yeah but uh but there was this I felt like she looked a little too polished for so much of the movie often and

it that grit doesn't come in until and the way like the wear and tear the dirtiness doesn't come into like the last 10 minutes with her character when i and she'll be surrounded by a bunch of people and the main crew who all look dirtied up and she still looks polished yes and uh i and i think that actually does play into effect because then parts of her performance start feeling less varied and more like okay your character has to go here now with its emotion so all right you're a little bit resistant now you're resistant because of your past and then 45 minutes into movie when you see your dad's message suddenly you're all gung-ho about the rebellion you know and i think there were shades of grief that were kind of

missing um or like you said casting a paul over the performance like some some moment there of she got to sit with her loss or let the pain of that kind of resonate over and then it weirdly contradicted as you pointed out when we were watching that it was weirdly feeling more hopeful and i feel and i think it would sometimes lose it shading is what i'm talking about like it of course they would feel more hopeful you know that they're coming together and they need hope right now and it's star wars they need the hope but there should also be these other layer uh that did feel like it was missing it would seem like okay only play to this one layer for specifically jen urs it feels like the direction she got was okay now now we're here you only played with this one layer

and here you only played it this one layer so i would feel like layers would be missing um making it fully three-dimensional so i i could feel like the notes being being told but in the later and the latter half i liked her i liked her a lot more yeah like none of it ever came down to actually her acting is what i'm saying it actually felt like a direction problem yeah yeah and i like yeah i like her I feel like yeah she's when she's in the first half of the movie I think she's also the out of all

the characters she's at the main characters I found her to weirdly be the least interesting one least interesting in a way she's the least again which I hate saying because she's I know she's a woman sorry I didn't interrupt that I feel back because I'm like fuck she's a woman and it's a guy I do

hate saying that um well I'm trying to explain that has nothing to do with that Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not like, oh, get your women out of my Star Wars or, oh, Mary's Two or anything. I think there is something about, yeah, like we don't, this is the only place we get context for her, which is a bit of a detriment because, yeah, it's like when she's brooding in the first half of the movie, that emotion almost feels like it would be appropriate for once Galen has been dispatched,

but that's about the time where she starts to really double down on the rebellion. and I do wish the movie had an emotional through line for her because we're not really like tied to her perspective. Like I like that this is an ensemble movie and this ensemble movie is attempting

to position her as the lead. But I never really felt like that fully happened and there's not enough beneath the surface beyond like I like her origin and the things we see her go through as a little girl are striking certainly.

But I don't know, yeah, there is like a depth of humanity to put it too pretentiously, I guess, that like feels like it's missing. Like you said, it's sort of like one dimension at a time. And I feel like you could have had some really lovely poetic moments in between things for her to, A, actually get to grieve her father, but then latch on to the idea that she needs to carry on because in doing so she can, you know, honor his legacy. and his true life. So I feel like there's a lot with the personal stuff there that doesn't really feel like it's even attempted here. And I feel like there are a couple of times where they go out of their way in the dialogue

to be like, it's hope. They're giving us hope. So can I, as you were talking, what dawned on me where I think the part that feels most emblematic of what we're talking about. And the fact that you just said that right now is her speech to the rebellion.

Yes. when she's in the room and mon mothma and everyone there and they're all like no when she starts giving her speech it she's giving the star wars hope speech to the rebellion in this moment um and it did feel like the one dimensional speech that you give yeah rather it being rooted in like a pain of like my father and and and it's disagreeing and why are we finally like you guys are the rebellion you're supposed why why should i be i didn't feel any of that like like when and or show did it better when Diego Luna is presenting information to the council at the end

and it's like the three of them Draven and Mon Mothma and just not Joe Smith and Bayal Organa yeah and then they're all like I don't know if we can believe it

it's coming from Luther and how a freaking defensive he was getting about it you can tell he's really riled up and passioned in the moment and that is not there and that speech so I'm like I should feel like moved yeah rebellions are built on hope and that's a good

trailer line yet there's something about this scene that is not quite doing it for me right now I want to feel like hope has been awakened in you and I want to see you choose to look up and the internal fight yeah not just the physical no totally yeah you want to feel in the in the heart of the character this this awakening to the idea that I can't just yeah keep my head down look at the floor and not involve myself in it's that thing they say everything is political and in a story like this as it is presented like everything is political and everything is in some degree a matter of livelihood and the death of that livelihood and so a lot of her it's weird I like her as a performer I liked watching her here there are a lot of great moments with gin but as a character

on a journey I never really felt like they gave her much life or humanity and I feel like this This is a movie that compensates for some of what is lacking in terms of, like, again, discourse via monologues or whatever. They'll give characters a little, I don't know, a detail, a twist, a flourish. You know, you don't get to know Chirut and Bayes that much, but they're so engrossing and you feel like you get to know them because... You feel her whole history. Yeah, and because you have these, like, very knowing and very sort of handcrafted details that get to adorn them. And I don't feel like we really got that with her, and she also has the most sort of, again, stop. character story and motivation, you know, like, ah, they killed my parents and I went on the

run and now I'm, you know, just out here kind of drifting and I'm, you know, I got a chip on my shoulder, but then I'm going to be called to a higher purpose. Weirdly, weirdly, with all the other characters in the Rogue One crew, you don't know their backstories. She's the only one whose backstory you actually know. I feel like I know her the least. Yeah, yeah. I do frigging Bodie, like he felt like a full-fledged character and he doesn't have any flashback or any real, like you don't know much about what

led him to this moment of defecting. You don't know if he was like enslaved into the empire or if he had empire beliefs. Yeah, if he wanted to become a crack pilot and then woke up somewhere down the line or something like that. Yeah, had philosophical changes, the alluding to history between

the relationship that he had with Galen Erson. What I think I said was his performance seems so rooted in courage over fear and he doesn't get like shit ton of dialogue but that that consistency and urgency of performance is there and it makes like wanting to know his backstory like that want to know their backstory feel stronger than knowing jinn or so's backstory when it gets you filling in the backstory because you're just inspired and you want to and it's fun versus like i'm just trying to come up with a reason for this character and like the relationship with sure it and

and bays again that's another one like they give a little bit of cool star wars lore like guardians of the will and being people who are um religious or like uh spiritually attuned to the force even if they're not wielding the force yeah yeah that's that's a neat element and you could see that that sells the whole blind guy who can do all this shit maneuver because he's still in tune and uses it to some extent and like how bays has turned his back on it due to its life and not not knowing the specific details but it's it's kind of like the the amount of faith that churit has kind of keeps bays's um you know faith in and like the oven a little bit it keeps the pilot light of his faith burning even if he's not really lighting it's like it's like set to two on the

stove yeah you know lowest mode possible even if he's like i don't really feel like it's cooking in me you know yeah but but you're so convinced and you seem to get through life on it you know so i'm i'm not going to fully rule it out yeah and they're back and forth is great and donnie yin's uh donnie end is just brilliant in it too i mean yeah you're right you're so right about like the this stuff they're wearing you know even uh freaking baize's gun looks like something they don't say it they don't allude to it but you would i would imagine like this is something this dude put together himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Like, you can just start, yeah, it just stimulates your creative brain to observe the details and then think to yourself. It's, it's the times you watch

a movie and go, I'm sure they know what that's for. It's like, I was listening to something about Nosferatu and they were like, oh yeah, he put a bunch of shit in the drawers and like no one's going to see that. This is just for the actors that they happen to open the drawers. And it's just like things like that, like little things that suggest the life of the character. And sadly, yeah, I don't think it ruins the movie or anything. And I like why. watching her, but it is a character who I am very sort of emotionally ambivalent toward when the movie is not running. And I like her as a performer and I feel like all the potential was there and it would have been nice to, I think really what you needed was a big emotional fulcrum. Because like in the first half, she's brooding and she's obviously got a lot of past trauma that she's been stuffing down and she's living this, you know, again, sort of scavenger life.

and I feel like how quickly she's reunited with and then torn back away from her father should be like a pretty impactful thing and something that I would imagine not that everything has to be histrionic or melodramatic but something that like I can imagine a scene like breaking down

and then maybe and or somebody kind of leading to some level of conversation of what's it all for your father clearly he was in bed with the empire because of something for some length of time authentically perhaps before really realizing the full scope of what his work is contributed

like there's so much to answer for and there's so much to unpack there and there's so much that's beyond her as a character that's not her responsibility as a character but that would affect that character and I feel like there is like a big chunk in the middle that feels like it got excised because we just got to get on the mission and there's no time and I get that events work like that sometimes but in a dramatic movie

there's just so much emotional it feels like the movie throws you a bunch of interesting prompts for this character to experience some real memorable swell of emotion and the movie does not accept any of those prompts. Yeah. Or like the emotional

payoff doesn't really get brought on by any of those prompts, sadly. I agree. I agree. I think we should move on for me. Sure. I think we talk quite extensively about. We've done too much. Props to Felicity Jones. And yeah. You did what you could. The whole experience though, as a whole

is really cool and you know like one of the awesome elements about it too is even though one of one of the things i said earlier is that if if this had come out after and or and it was missing the dialogue that tony gilroy brought the way how this movie doesn't really have any like truly great dialogue like there's some lines that are cool but like a fucking like i can imagine if tony gilroy really went to town on like how that vader scene the first the for dialogue vader scene would have gone down like how different it would have been and that's one of the moments in the movie that's kind of pulls me out i love the final moment i love the final like oh it segues into new hope and to get this moment of vader and it's one of the coolest lightsaber moments ever and probably

vader's coolest ever and obi one show gave us more vader but i'm like no this still takes the cake and it's a cool cherry on top of the the the show with no lightsavers finally gets like a truly memorable lightsaber sequence to end it again it makes it for the transition of the and or into star wars and the but the scene with him and krennick i was found myself going do we really need this conversation to be with bader right now i i want to speak to your manager i get the intention like i understand the context we're sure you know especially because he's trying to get to the ember trying to overrule the ship with tarkin and protected his name because tarkin's really ruining everything for him totally

get it um but there was something about the execution that felt like such an easter egg moment for or a thing for for a cameo moment for the audience it didn't feel treated the way how the and or show would even when like think about when krennick shows up in the and or show he just it's there he's not it's not it like a big who yeah you know let's clap they don't do some kind of like build up montage where it's like oh first it's his feet and that it's his shoulders and like yo who's gonna be oh my god it's chronic but the excitement though again to put it in the context of when this movie first came out this was our first time in many years we're getting Darth Vader so totally different and I understand now that hype is

down and we can just watch the movie it the scene is executed in the way that i i did find myself going off we had like tony go were really like on this scene like this probably would have felt menacing there would have been like real tension instead of what dialogue do we need to insert into this scene he would have felt like like a bad guy meeting with a truly evil guy yeah yeah and and you would feel like the the just the darkness of of of context permeating in that scene. Yeah, yeah. Because here was more like a cool Star Wars moment.

Let's read some facts here. Let's see what we can unpack. Gareth Edward. Do you want to read the first one, John? Sure, Gareth Edwards and his creative team uncovered some old film canisters while rummaging around the Lucas film warehouses. That just sounds so cool to get to do.

When he asked what they were, an employee said they were old Star Wars, episode four, new hope footage. The Discover led to the inclusion of unused episode four material featuring Red Leader and Gold Leader in this movie. that is correct yeah you caught that because you can see the change in the yeah the film stock um oh my and then allentudic improvised uh the slap across cassie andrews's face and there's a fresh one if you mouth off again i as i improvised that line yeah as i was

watching it um i oh this improvisation made dea go little break character i didn't know this he cracked a smile that you can see in the final film it's wild i didn't uh i i found myself questioning like did Alan Tudick like come up with any of these lines because they just felt way too good um do do do do uh okay I'm looking for like the good juices stuff where's the juice where's the juice yes yes let's take it the tear of juice red five X-wing is a sign that's reassigned Luke Skywalker no come on oh wait all right we go screenplays what's Oh, I was cute. Which one?

The Stormtroopers can be heard on the beach talking about the VT-15 going out of commission. This is a parallel to the scene in the episode of Four, New Hope, or two storm troopers are over her discussing the new VT-16 being quite a thing to see. That's fun. Okay, so in first draft of the screenplay, Ginny and Cassian survived the events of the film, despite director of Garrett at Edwards went all the heroes to die.

After speaking with Kennedy and executives at Disney, he expressed this opinion to his surprise Kennedy agreed and gave him permission to kill off the characters that's cool well done

wow this it's funny all this stuff surrounding and or I feel like and Rogue One generally speaks better to

you know just like people love to dog on Kathleen Kennedy but like everything I hear about her interactions with this show and movies seem

pretty inspiring actually Carrie Fisher passed away over a week after the film cinema released she was able to see the film before

her death and reportedly squealed with joy had seen the younger version of herself at the end of the movie. Aw, I'm happy to hear that. Good for her. That's really cool. Come on. I want to know, like, the writing shit. All that shit, though. All the rumors. What are we going to say? Should we do a word search for, like, Tony Gilroy?

Oh, it's the first movie where no one mentions the Skywalker. Well, let's just go to AI, baby. Hey, hey, hey. What was the behind-the-scenes drama for Rove 1? Regarding Tony Gilroy. When did Tony Gilroy join, and what did he do? Because I thought he did, like, it's kind of crazy.

I, like, took over Andor, and, like, Garrett Edwards isn't acknowledged at all. Yeah. And, I mean, a lot of the visual presentations, and even some of the just vibes of the movie, some of the themes like fit in with Gareth Edwards' voice and style. So I am curious. All right, let's see here. Okay, let's get a little long.

Production of Rogue One, experience significant behind-the-scenes challenges during its post-production phase. Garrett Edwards completed principal photography. Disney execs reportedly dissatisfied with the initial cut, leading to extensive research and reworking of the film. here it is tony gilroy known for born and michael clayton as a writer he wrote and directed uh cladden right

uh was brought in during these reshoots his involvement included rewriting key scenes directing reshoots and overseeing the films editing process whoa that's pretty crazy that's a lot of authorship um damn i wonder what edwards's relationship is with this movie that gilroy's contributions were substantial enough to earn him a screenwriter credit despite not being the original writer

that's that's gnarly gilroy later described the project as being in terrible trouble when he joined indicating the extent of issues faced during production his efforts were pivotal in reshaping the film's narrative particularly the third act that it delivered the final version the audiences saw in theaters while gareth's remains publicly supportive of the collaborative process reports suggest that gilroy's role was instrumental in the film to a success completion oh yeah i can't imagine that words has a good relationship with this movie that i i i so hope that one day like a real because i feel like you know the the information out there amounts largely to this and like someday i hope there's a tell all of like what really it was because i'm like what was that first cut supposed to look like and and what was added what was

changed i mean you can find stuff where there's so much trailers like the the shot i remember in let me see if i can find it here just um jinn erso tie fighter the shot i remember that shot right there oh yeah this must be the moment where uh she sees she sees um she encounters krennick on there but yeah this is like that was such a cool shot in the trailer and it was not in the movie uh yeah so like a moment like that yeah there's a there's about this shot right here uh jane erso too not of the movie wearing the imperial garb yeah yeah so there's like definitely some stuff that are different but i uh i think that's really cool

it's kind of like he's like how christopher mccory got involved um did you see tom cruz's speech at cinema con online uh he talked about how mccory was he had worked with mccory on a on a couple of films but how his relationship real the true extent of how the relationship actually formed was because it goes protocol they were having trouble writing the the climbing the surge building yeah having trouble with that scene and then he called up mccore's like hey man i could really use your help and then mccurdy came over came up with like some of the best shit of that movie in terms of dialogue and writing and uh after that it turned into wow we got to like do everything together now yeah no kill roy you're my guy yeah because and gilroy

sounds like that like he wasn't the any he didn't have any original authorship but then he became so much more than a writer and now he like oversaw this it's like this became gilroy's franchise so in spite of it's pretty crazy and i could see i can see that because the movie doesn't feel um its voice doesn't feel at odds with itself i would say like Like it doesn't, if anything, it felt like there was probably some studio notes that were given. But I didn't feel like the director behind the scene. It didn't feel like a Frankenstein monster, the way how people often correlate a movie that goes through this amount of process. It is astonishingly polished for what apparently happened.

And I would want, I'm curious to know if Gareth Edwards wrote the creator because this also seems like, one unique circumstance in which, like, I could see why and how this would be the Star Wars Garrett Edwards would want to do. And I feel like, you know, it's getting at ideas. Like, I get the sense that he wants to make, you know, smart or, you know, sci-fi movies with some kind of thematic, strong thematic element regardless. But I could also see how, like, one of the shortcomings of the creator is that, like, the script is not quite as rich.

It's the same writer of Rogue One. okay it's gareth edwards and gareth edwards and the writer of rogue one okay see that's interesting this must have been them both being like felt like they got dicked over now we got to you know go off and and you know make good on the promise that was made to us

yeah yeah through this and it's like I like so much stuff about that movie and the one place that for me it falls kind of short is that you know like it's reach is further than it's grasp in terms of like the themes and how it articulates the themes and how nuanced it's able to get while also delivering a cool crazy action sci-fi spectacle and i feel like in this particular case i could see how he would lay down really solid bones for a project like this but then you would get or need someone like tony gilroy who like really seems to know

intimately and be well read on again the machinations and structures of war and and all the themes that this movie like it seems like they went to the exact right person to go like hey we need to push this a little further on this thematic road can you bring all that together and i feel like it is just like down to the fact that like they made the right choice of who to get to fill in the blanks like in so many cases i imagine you're doing that frantically so you're kind of getting anybody who's mildly trustworthy and who you can get at all whereas here it seems like they got the right person and gave them what they needed and that brought it all together as much as i'm sad for you know one creative to be sort of usurped on a project at the same time part of me wonders if it would be enough that it was to where we got and or based on if it was just the original cut basically all right all right well thank you guys very much for being here uh thanks john uh for being the best kind of friend to be on a journey with this on likewise man thanks thank you this has been such a this has been really cool this has been great and let us know if uh i mean we i have to map

out um this takes me several hours every time i have to do it have to map out the whole schedule um tomorrow for the next month and i am it's just alarmingly gone a lot this week and to do other stuff so i'm like if we have to do the star wars movies i'm like i will not be a post to that so let us know it all depends on how well this one it goes down right now otherwise we will stick to the other current plans but thank you guys uh really got to get the heck out of here at this moment but thank you and may the force be with you and be sure to subscribe leave a like thank you prepper once again seriously guys we'll talk with you guys soon