The Reel Rejects - WE WERE SOLDIERS (2002) MOVIE REVIEW!! FIRST TIME WATCHING!!

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

A HARROWING DEPICTION OF WAR & HUMANITY!! We Were Soldiers Full Movie Reaction Watch Along: https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects With the 4th of July (Independence Day) right around the corner, John & Andrew Gordon reunite to give their First Time Reaction, Commentary, Breakdown, Analysis, and Full Spoiler Review of the Vietnam War Drama adapted from Harold G. Moore & Joseph Lee Galloway's Best Selling Book "We Were Soldiers Once...and Young: Ia Drang - The Battle That Changed the War in Vietnam" & starring Mel Gibson (Braveheart, Hacksaw Ridge, Flight Risk, Boneyard) as Lt. Col. Hal Moore, Madeleine Stowe (The Last of the Mohicans) as Julie Moore, Greg Kinnear (Little Miss Sunshine) as Maj. Bruce Crandall, Sam Elliot (Tombstone, Road House) as Sgt. Maj. Basil Plumley, Chris Klein (Election, American Pie) as 2nd Lt. Jack Geoghegan, Keri Russell (The Americans, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes) as Barbara Geoghegan, & Barry Pepper (Saving Private Ryan, True Grit, The Green Mile), along with Clark Gregg, John Hamm, Ryan Hurst, Marc Blucas, & MORE.. John & Andrew REACT to all the Best Scenes & Most Harrowing Moments including Arriving in North Vietnam, The French Foreign Legion, Moving into the Valley of the Shadow of Death, The Telegram, Valley of Death, Napalm Air Strike, Army Housewives & Beyond. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Andrew, have anything else to tell the people before we hop in? No, not much else. Let's get into it, Giannizio. Let's do it. Yeah, every one of these makes me wonder, of all the kinds of special features, part of me always with war movies is like, yeah, what were the historians you consulted,

you know, what went into supervising the authenticity of this? Because there's, you know, throughout war cinema, there's so much of that obviously oh boy all right andrew yes john let's talk about it let's talk let's talk well by the way if you guys are listening to us on apple or spotify if you don't mind dropping us a rating we would have so appreciate it absolutely um yeah i mean again i don't know a ton about the vietnam more but uh the way they humanized a lot of these characters uh i just thought it was very fascinating I also thought it was extremely fascinating how we saw the perspective

of the side of the Vietnam soldiers as well and the strategies that they were employing because a lot of times we usually only see it from one perspective. So I really found it interesting to see it from both point of views. I mean, it wasn't like the major focus, but again, I did appreciate that Randall Wallace,

you know, again, I know he was adapting it from a book. But still, I found that really quite interesting to see from both sides. like that just and also too just the that these are also to whether you agree or disagree with the conflict whether it's from america or whether it's from vietnam these are also human beings at the end of the day like you know seeing at the end the soldier that mel uh gipson's character that uh colonel moore took out even though it was self-defense clearly um because he was about to bayonet him uh you know uh he still took someone's husband um yeah everybody has a life everybody has people

and everybody has their existence outside of the political situation. But to me, that was, I don't know if arc's the right word, but when he sent to the woman, I assume that was Colonel Moore that sent back the red book and the picture, because they had that property on them. So I'm assuming he sent it back to her. I would have to imagine. To me, that was kind of a little bit of a stepping stone

towards an arc in terms of, I mean, we already know that his character was a very compassionate human being, at least in terms of his soldiers, his brothers in arms. He's very motivational and from that perspective. But when it comes to the enemy, it's like, hey, I'm going to stomp at you. But in terms of he took up a little bit of depth from Chris Klein's character. And Chris Klein's character is like, hey, I'm going to do everything in my power. Like, hey, I'm going to protect and defend my brothers at arms.

But I don't want to make sure that I don't make anyone orphaned out here or family less, if you will. Like, I don't want to make anyone lose any family members out here as well on the opposition side. Yeah. And I feel like even though Mel Gibson again was defending his life in that situation, he had no other choice there. You know, that was something like having the compassion to send that back in that situation. Like, I just, I feel that was such a very, it resonated with me that moment. Just said that little thing of sending that back to that woman who lost her husband, you know. Yeah.

I mean, she didn't know the context of, oh, he was a. going after someone and it doesn't matter what the situation was. No, absolutely. You know, she lost her husband. That's all that matters. And a lot of people lost lives in this awful war. So like, you know, again, just the, I just feel like it was a little bit of an arc in terms of that sense. Like, because Chris Klein was doing what, you know, what Mel Gibson asked of him of never leaving someone behind, always staying. And Chris Klein had many opportunity or a great opportunity to get out of there.

when Willie was shot. And he didn't. He was following Mel Gibson or Lieutenant Colonel Moore's order of we don't leave our brothers behind. We get in there and we protect them or we run in after them. And he did that because of the motivation and just how incredible of a leader that Mel Gibson's character was. And so now he partook a little bit of his character onto himself.

And I just, I appreciate the humanity in these soldiers. Because, again, a lot of times, too, when I watch some of these war films, depending on which film it is like a lot of times I'm like okay these guys are just going to I mean obviously a lot of times these characters depending on what war it is can be just drafted but you know but other times it's like okay these guys just want to get out here and just want to put death to the other soul to the opposition and I appreciate the compassion and the humility and and just humanizing these characters it just again it resonated with me and I loved it just it spoke deeply to me and I just I loved those moments

uh again we'll get into the action and how it's incredibly visceral and graphic and all that was and just how well shot and randall wall is just incredible job directing and the acting and all that um but yeah i just wanted to point that out that i just thought that was like again the i really appreciated those character moments in this film yeah 100% because it's easy in lots of conflicts obviously to think of it as like, oh, it's, it's our team versus your team, and to kind of characterize your enemy as simply that. And, you know, again, from my limited historical vantage point, I do know that, you know, the Vietnam War is one of the more heavily debated in terms of just all the circumstances that led to our involvement there and the situation as a whole.

and yeah, I'm right there with you. I really appreciated those notes that suggest that, like, yeah, again, there is this conflict that we've all been summoned into, and yet so much of all of our collective experiences are probably about the same or very similar. And it's just down to a few ideological points, you know, that are, you know, fueling the conflict and keeping us separated and keeping us in this, you know, a state of conflict and carnage. And yeah, like, I really did appreciate that.

It made me curious because I don't think it's necessarily a false of the movie because this, I appreciated, it's interesting. Any war movie is kind of a, there are multiple things you can do and acknowledge and explore. And I feel like every war movie has its own blend of how it wants to go about. that in terms of the visceral experience of boots on the ground and, you know, being in the thick of conflict, then there's the political context of like, what is the, you know, what are the interests and or atrocities that are, you know, being addressed in this action? And then, um, there are the more direct sort of tactical things. Um, I don't know. Yeah, there's the greater historical context. There's the political context. There's the political context. There's the political. context and then there's the intimate personal boots on the ground context and so I feel like we definitely got a glimpse at both sides in terms of just like the cunning back and forth you know

it's not a cat and mouse game but you know like where you're watching a chess match the most very true visceral horrific chess match uh that's like a frugin mess you know like from from again from from my base understanding of the Vietnam War conflict in general like this seemed like it was a particularly ugly and violent and harsh experience and it does make me curious in terms of I didn't

because the movie isn't so concerned with the political side of this I was I like that we got to see from both perspectives they do kind of keep what is it the Vietnam The Vietnamese side is a bit more removed, so you mostly get the tactical and the cunning.

And you do get the human through that guy with the bayonet. You know, you get that. You don't get as much of their perspective in terms of like, why are we fighting this conflict? Why is it here at our home turf? You know, what is this? What circumstance are we all here under from their point of view? We're not really here to do that. I could have maybe, I would have been interested to have an element of that or to have an element of

because, again, so much of what we spend, so much of the time we spend with the American soldiers in this movie is about, you know, the camaraderie, the brotherhood, the compassion, looking toward less the, the, you know, the physical grit is obviously a part of it, but so much of this movie is about, again, the bond and the mental fortitude and resilience you have to have. and the senselessness and chaos and the way in which you are in a unique position that so many people in the world and so many people around you are kind of involved with and have their own feelings about. And yet, you know, anybody who's actually on that battlefield are part of like a unique and exclusive and horrible club. And you really, really, really, really feel that from the American side. With the Vietnamese side, you get a much more limited version of that.

So part of me would just be curious at some point to see a war. movie where you really kind of get both arguments and get both sets of humanity kind of fully engaged so that you can really ponder every you know some words are more simple than others in terms of you know looking at the circumstances and seeing who might be closer to being in the right or closer to being in the wrong but uh but yeah as it stands i see what you're saying from an idea ideological point of view i see what you're saying yeah i mean like the we didn't really get that intimate. And again, not that we have to. I did think that what we did see of the opposite side was very well observed in that even when it was mostly functional and even when it was

like, okay, their general, their leader here is, you know, coming up with strategy and giving out orders and stuff like that and they're regrouping and they're, you know, confident because they're breaking our lines and now they're retreating because we've broken through their lines. and you know I liked that we got that and I certainly appreciated the tie around with you know they both got their letter ultimately

you know you know kind of yeah paralleling the Chris Klein character and the guy with the glasses and the bayonet but yeah like this as an experience as a war movie was so striking and it took a minute to get going for me

especially because you know we've seen a higher concentration of war movies lately but I really yeah appreciated the into the story, meeting everybody, and getting the... Again, I think this movie did a nice job of looking through the character lens because we've seen movies like Apocalypse now where you have the harsher elements. We have, you know, the angrier, the more, you know, we're playing Riot of the Valkyries,

where, you know, Arlie Ermi is yelling all the profanities and stuff like that. You have movies like Saving Private Ryan where you're... thrown in immediately to, you know, one of the most intense sort of seaside battle. Like, you know, you have all these flavors of all these prolific war movies. And I think what was interesting and set this apart was that, yeah, there was certainly all of the requisite violence and carnage and action and, you know, mutilation that will give you pause and show you something that you hadn't considered that is just like the banality, like is common on a battlefield all that stuff is all the requisite war movie stuff is there but i thought

the way this framed uh its perspective was really unique and impactful because yeah you get the initial bits you know with the team coming together and starting to build some of that camaraderie and and you know you then proceed toward the conflict and yeah it's like you have that party and you can tell the wives are already kind of bracing for the trauma while the husbands are sort of having to raise their morale and kind of get themselves hyped up to go out into what everybody knows deep down is going to be a horror and is going to be a nightmare and is going to change everybody no matter what. And people probably aren't going to come back and all that. And then you get there and you get into the conflict and it's so visceral and it's so

straight and intense and nonstop. And it's just like nothing feels glorious. Like there are little moments. Everything's in little moments. There are moments of respite there are moments of a sigh of relief or like a minor victory but really everything is kind of a mess and and and it reminds you that i have to imagine it's like everyone's got their opinions on war and everyone's got their own experience or lack thereof with violence in fact most of us at least here don't have much firsthand experience with intense violence and and i appreciated yeah that this movie just seemed to really want to look at all the humans here and kind of see what the toll is

and what you have to be able to you have to be able to mind over matter that one scene where he's talking to the radio guy who's like on the verge of breaking down and he's like hey no you did good you can't focus on this right now you just have to lead you know in your own way each of us has to kind of be prepared

to be cut off and put in a position where we have to assume leadership each of us has to focus on that does happen yeah and it's like we know so much about the Vietnam War in that there was so much backlash here at home there were soldiers were certainly met on upon return with derision and protest certainly a car a stark contrast from people coming home safe from world war two where there was a much more at least state side much more agreeable and united front in that

respect whereas yeah here you got a lot of you know you got i think a a satisfying blend of the you know the ensemble with some particular individuals and yeah Mel Gibson's character is at the center of it certainly and he is you know in a lot of ways our protagonist but even like we recently I don't know when and when this is going up in relation to other videos but we recently watched the Patriot Tara and I and that movie is like I'm starring Mel Gibson he is like the central character it's still an ensemble piece but it's very much about him whereas here that that wasn't as much the case. And I thought his performance, I appreciate his performance, and there was more of a

subtlety that I had to kind of peel back. And I, and yeah, having the Barry Pepper character start out as the narrator and be the bookend, and he is, you know, this, a journalist who, again, you know, is in the thick of things. So he's kind of in between two worlds, because then you have the press corps coming at the end. And like, even that is sort of a weird alien situation where it's like, whoa, whoa, we were just in the heat of battle.

I've got cameras and microphones and questions in my face. And yeah, like, I think no matter what you think and, and conclude in terms of the reasoning and the sense behind whatever conflict, you know, something like this, again, really kind of just reinforces like, again, like, I am not a person who is in major support of a lot of military action and conflict, but. you know I one thing I'll never like I know that it takes a special kind of resolve and fortitude to be able to step onto a battlefield like this or any battlefield at all and perform and have your brothers backs your sisters backs whoever it is like I cannot imagine the undertaking that that is and I have endless respect for like no matter what we live in a world where violence happens in injustice happens and sometimes military conflicts will just half are they're just a part of like it's it's like he explains to his daughter it's like you know sometimes these things happen nobody wants it to happen but sometimes it is a reality and in that reality like all the all the respect for people who who can a lay down their lives be if you make it through you know go back continue fighting for this cause on behalf of us all like again i'm not the most

uh you know and a nationalist minded person i'm not the most like overtly patriotic kind of person even but i do have a tremendous amount of respect and and reverence for this just again a movie like this i think illustrates just yeah what the undertaking is and the fact that so many of the circumstances and and theoretical aspects fade away in the heat of carnage and senselessness yeah yeah like i can't imagine and also like we been mentioning too i think this film did a great job highlighting like it's a total team effort as well i mean we saw like just how important like characters like snake shit and too tall were i mean yeah they really relied on and they didn't make him like oh he's like one of the main characters like

he's always there and he's always having always his presence is looming and you can see him affected by all this stuff that's happening you can see how everyone's being changed in ways that don't necessarily always need to be spoken and i think it yeah it handled that really well the thing i really appreciated in this film was just watching again like anyone who's watched me on this channel knows I'm a very big fan of watching people do strategic things like people in really tough situations just like playing the chess game moves you know and the way performing that under pressure yeah and under pressure too and the way what they do to uh colonel moore's character like all right away he's a really smart guy and when it comes to strategy and all that and also that

he's brave beyond words as all all the soldiers were um but first of all they gave him this ridiculous task of uh at they mentioned at that party with uh their wives and uh and all the men there they say you got to do this he's like uh yeah are we going to do that okay but all right I'll do it um then they're like okay so you're going to go in how many uh men are we going to be facing off against a lot so we don't know okay and then another crazy impossible situation comes up And he calls it Broken Arrow or whatever he says. Oh, yeah. But again, I just love under these crazy constraints and dire situations,

he's just able to improvise and come up with these great strategic, you know, things under pressure. He's able to perform in a situation that seems like it is hopeless and seems like it's doomed to fail. I love characters like that who are able to do that. Not giving up even though this seems like. And constantly, too, we had a very limited perspective of, like back home or Washington or who's up the chain of command in whatever air conditioned office, but like

acknowledging yeah that like things are super different just here on the ground and you handed us this you don't understand what you're instructing us here like you don't understand the situation that you're trying to instruct. And not only did I appreciate about his character that he actually followed his promise of staying on

the ground you know he said I'm going to be the first one on the field and I'm also going to be the last one off the field before anybody are, until the last body's off. I appreciate that about him. He's a man of his word and convictions. And also, again, the strategic nature of his character.

And again, just being able to improvise and perform under pressure was just, I love that. And also, too, before we get into the trivia, besides, you know, making me ball out like a little baby, rightfully so. The wives, man. Oh, yeah, those scenes were just powerful. Again, there was a battle in itself for those women. And again, I'm not comparing what the men had to go through in a physical battle like that. Like, that's a mental and physical battle itself. It's all different.

Yeah, it's totally different. It's bad for everyone in a unique way. Yeah, it's not a competition or a comparison. So please do not take it that way. I'm just saying it's a difficult task for these women as well. But they're pulled into a unique club too where they're almost in the exact opposite kind of horrible scenario where you just got to pretend everything's okay. you don't know if your partner is coming back at all and you're probably not getting much word and you probably have only like the news and stuff to really go off of and then as you said like receiving that information and then having to tell your children about it and the whole thing with the taxi cab driver being like like that that was a great little moment and it speaks to there are a lot of moments like that across this movie where yeah that guy comes and you she initially snaps at him because, you know, that was kind of unceremonious on that.

He's like, I hate, you can feel the toll on him being like, I'm not supposed to be the one doing this. I hate being the one to deliver these letters to. And this is, again, in some way, this is bad and traumatizing and life altering for everyone involved. And, and yeah, it's like, we didn't even spend that much time with the wives. But when you cut back to that sequence and them, you know, getting each other's back in sort of an unspoken way and Carrie Russell stepping up and being like, look, I know the emotional

weight to carry that this must be, you know, I'll help you with that. And then her having to bring the letter to her when Chris Klein, you know, when his letter comes in, like, yeah, it's making me emotional again just thinking about it. Yeah, for sure.

And the fact that that's just as effective in a whole other way than as the stuff, you know, cut to, you know, in Vietnam, thick of battle, you know, there, there are two kinds of hopelessness. And again, this movie constantly had, it's like it had all the viscera and it had all the violence and it had all the, you know, physical conflict of a war movie, you know, like you're used to. But I felt just like the tone throughout felt, you know, it's like every war movie is commenting on humanity and, and what war does to you. But this feels like, at least here

and now in the afterglow, this feels like the most sort of like compassion forward war movie I've experienced in a sense because like it constantly had me aware of again just like how scary, confusing, overwhelming and like it's such a sensory experience and it's so well captured. And again, we've seen well captured war movies that have, you know, unique ways of embellishing and depicting these different maneuvers and and this i didn't realize even was like a test run sort of for helicopter based uh you know combat and uh you know maneuvering and whatever you know helping uh supporting with helicopters involved you know and so i don't know yeah this just it hit my heart and my feelings in a way that that a lot of again like war movies are

charged with so much emotion but this had a unique flavor of emotion to me that yeah it always felt compassionate and it always felt like it was kind of aware of the mournful nature of this no matter what the political side would be and i love that they also gave a lot of these characters they gave them their moments like even with the character of savage the one who plays uh gary bertier and um uh remember the titans and he was also in saving private ryan like again that that moment where they set him up uh in the training uh towards the beginning they said what are you going to do in this situation if he's killed off and he's killed off it's like you need to assume the command and like that yeah you need to move and it prepared like

again that's why Mel Gibson's character uh Colonel Moore he was such a really prepared these guys for battle I mean obviously not everyone survived but still like had he not trained him that way this could have been worse somehow this could have been worse yeah yeah yeah but again it's but that was good you know foreshadowing for his character and just he prepared him the right way so And it fits this, again, it fits what I know of this conflict in that certainly this was not a cut and dry one for us. This is one of the more tragic and arguably misguided scenarios in American history. And I feel like the tone of this movie certainly supports that in a way that certainly, again, honors the sacrifice and the undertaking and the physical, emotional, spiritual toll that it takes on you to do this. and the fact that, yeah, I almost feel like, yeah, without all the political stuff that has been well-trodden in the forefront of this movie, it does kind of exactly hone in on, it's basically what are you actually fighting for?

It's mostly the lives of your brethren and hopefully making it home. That was a powerful line we said the soldiers who were drafted and had no one to come back home, do they were fighting for their brothers. Yeah, and yeah, I mean, just real quick, like all the technical stuff, like the photographer. was beautiful. I thought the music was really well complimentary. Nick Lenny Smith is the composer by the way he did the rock. Okay. I got to see the rock. And the man in the Iron Mask. Yeah, I thought that all those elements were great. Obviously the physical effects in terms of explosions. Squibs. Blood

gags and gore gags and squibs. Amazing. And I mean one shot with the burn victim. And I mean, yeah. And a lot of times, you know, physical effects, you know, also account for, you know, if you have somebody firing a gun, usually there's somebody off camera with another, like, the equivalent of, like, a paintball gun or a BB gun or something to fire to where you're pointing, like, the person on screen is pointing the gun, and it create, like, the pop in the sand or whatever it is across the way. Somebody else is off screen kind of firing an actual projectile at that. The actor's not fire like so like those elements the physical effects elements were really on point and then yeah just like the way it used the setting and the location it's like it's so confined to a couple places once you get there and yet it still feels like really in real time over these couple days uh the pacing the acting and yeah just like again the editing and cinematography together like the amount of poet like moving poetic chaos and carnage that they were

able to, you know, compose out of this was quite gripping, quite gripping. Should I read some trives? Let's do that. Okay. Sam Elliott became so close to the real Basil L. Plumley and his family that during Plumley's funeral, with military honors, Elliot sat in the front row besides Plumley's daughter as she received the folded flag. Oh, wow.

Jeepers. The real Harold G. Moore and Joseph G. G. G. G. G. G. G. Laveld traveled back to Vietnam after the war and met the real. I apologize if I mispronounce any names. Nguyen? Nguyen, thank you. Nguyen, who, and as part of their research for the book, so they could understand the battle strategy of the North Vietnamese at La Dreng, Yadreng. More claimed that he and had no bitterness and respect to each other as soldiers. I always felt that way. I mean, I kind of said it during the reaction. Like, they're, I mean, again, even though they were not physically on screen together, it felt like there was a respect level there.

You're still learning each other. Yeah, we're playing chess with each other. You're meeting each other through all your respective men and your maneuvers, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. The real Joseph D. Galloway stepped out of the movie theater during a scene but still approved the film. His explanation was, and I quote, this was my nightmare for 36 years. I don't want to see it again. I totally understandable.

100%. I get it. No, I feel you were there. You're good. You're good. You don't ever have to watch a movie ever again if you don't want it. One of the real life officers who survived the battle was Lieutenant Rick Resccarella, who is the main figure on the cover of General Moore's book on which the movie was based. A biography of Mr. Rescorella's very interesting life was published in the mid-2000s called Heart of the Soldier. He died in the 9-11 attacks while employed as the head of security for Morgan's

Stanley, while making sure all of the company's employees had gotten out of the World Trade Center and they had. Wow. Surviving the Vietnam more to only then lose your life in the 9-11 tragedy in the World Trade Center. And to buy the sound of it, using your expertise, you know, keeping that resolve going, wow. God, rest your soul, my friend. Truly. Deepers. John, I'll read a couple more, then we'll call it.

John Ham later said in tribute to Sam Elliott that the 58-year-old actor participated in the boot camp training of the cast with, excuse me, he participated in the boot camp training of the cast without exemption. Good for him, dude. Sam Elliott's a, he's a tough man.

He's out here. He's always playing those gruff roles. He is. I'll do two more. Right, both sides claim victory. Of course. Oh, this was a nasty one. Yeah. The photographer Joseph Galloway married the daughter of Captain Thomas C. Metzker, who gave up his seat on a chopper to a soldier who was more severely wounded. Metzker was subsequently shot. I would assume that's Clark Colson's character, I think. I don't know. But that's what it sounds like. I don't know, though. Let us know in the comments if that's who that character was.

when second lieutenant henry last one when second lieutenant henry herrick mark blucus that was mark blucus was the character he was the one shot right in the hip he ran after the soldier at the very beginning i said he was in buffy the vampire slayer and uh uh uh oh he was riley right yeah yes mark lucas forgot his name yeah when second lieutenant henry herrick played by mark blucus is fatally wounded in giving his final orders his pupils are small as you pointed out and he is looking and he is is looking up into the bright sky when he dies they can be seen to be fully dilated over the course of a few seconds as would happen in real life i was i yeah i sat there and looked at that and i was like i guess that must be what happens yeah i feel like especially in this kind of movie i don't

think they would yeah go for some kind of weird gag like that yeah fascinating yeah absolutely and every one of these makes me want to go and i really would love to find a resource that can it's like you know we studied world history and and social studies in like elementary junior high and high school to some extent um less so in university and now at this stage of my life i'm thinking back and i'm like man i would love to find a resource that i can go back to and and regain this information and and and learn a more nuanced perspective just because now i'm older and i have you know the capacity for that and so you know if anybody's made it to this point in the video and you've got like a podcast or a resource of some kind that's a good digest for again going back and because another thing i guess in closing that i appreciated that they represented um in mel gibson's character was that you know he was certainly concerned with uh battles of the past and and war history and and you know they they were going back to custer and and things like that and uh and yeah like that's smart you know you got to know your history if you're going to try and not repeat it

absolutely and and obviously these are big giant interlocking scenarios with a whole bunch of interests contributing to them but uh yeah i appreciated that while this focused on one conflict it was mindful of the history of conflict you know yeah um so yeah also would love to hear in the comments too before we close let us know how do you feel this film uh is in the pantheon of vietnam uh war films i'd love to hear your thoughts on that as well yeah yeah absolutely i mean there's a far cry from from from like a full metal jacket like very different experience like how would you guys rank in your own personal rankings I'd love to hear that yeah yeah leave us your thoughts leave us any insights that you would like to hip us to and yeah

we will catch you on the next one thank you all for joining us and yeah leave comment with some of what you think are the best war movies and we will and best just you know historical stuff in general and we will catch you

the next one hug everyone you love appreciate uh walking walking alive on this planet and uh and yeah be safe out there it is not a safe world even at this moment yes there is there is a war on and there are atrocities happening literally probably as we are speaking these words so uh be safe we're not far from things like this even in the world we live in now so uh yeah just be safe out there be good to each other and we'll catch you next time much Love.