The Reel Rejects - WHOA! PEACEMAKER SEASON 2 Episode 6 Breakdown & Review!!

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Starting point is 00:03:29 Yeah, YouTube demonetized for the stupidest reasons now. And a little thing warrants a yellow dollar bill, so that's the luck there. I appreciate everything you do. Yeah. Well, yeah, there's been a lot of hype surrounding this. Some theories most certainly confirmed and unexpected cameo. There's so much that went on. I'm going to kick it off with, let's go with Roxy first.

Starting point is 00:03:54 Roxy, how do you feel that this is the utopia you've been waiting for your whole? whole life as a Jewish woman this must be bliss for you yeah I love the swastika I love this swastika as someone who I believe currently yep I am wearing that necklace yeah I think I do very well here um yeah I think that Greg you were the first person to clock that there was something seriously wrong here um like that the dad has always been a racist and so no matter where he is very likely that was the scenario And I remember when you said it, me being like, but this place seems so beautiful.

Starting point is 00:04:33 And so I am, in fact, part of the problem. And then as we got to shoot a lot of these in advance, I started looking at the comments and all the comments being like, when are these three going to pick up on the fact that it's all white people? And then I was like, oh, I didn't. I noticed that. So I further am part of the problem. But at least after it was pointed out, I was like, in this episode,

Starting point is 00:04:57 they did a very clear job of showing. It's just like when we were at the park and situations in the previous episodes, I just wasn't on the lookout for it. You're just looking in the foreground. So I think they did a really great job with that of like planting the seeds and then having it actually come to fruition and building up where we're leaving ads inside. And it's like the amount of stress I felt when she was like, I'm going to go out for a walk by myself.

Starting point is 00:05:21 And we all know at that point like, uh-oh. I mean, there's no world in which it's not going to be an uh-oh. So I thought that that was great. I thought that the cameo was excellent. Even none of the three of us predicted that, even after they said, I'm headed to Belle Reeve. Yeah. Because it's such a huge cameo. It just wasn't on my mind that you could possibly be seeing Lex.

Starting point is 00:05:42 That would be how Lex actually gets out. So that was amazing. And then, of course, the hardcore stuff was, hardcore is like, this is her best performance. Jennifer's most intense and incredible performance yet. And that's really saying something. So across the board, I just felt really good about it. about this episode yeah i could feel your enthusiasm i love to hear it john humphrey

Starting point is 00:06:03 vigilante man he's finally got his doppelganger yes with one little rift see what i did hey a a a oh you're gonna let it sit there if you guys would just be quiet for like five seconds it's not happening john yeah um so vigilante yeah take it away i'm excited no Quiet to insert footage there. For a season that hasn't had quite as much vigilancy up till now or, you know, for a season where I know we've talked about the ensemble feeling a little sideline by comparison to certain other people. Like, it was fun to get an episode. It was so Adrian centric. I love the stuff with his mom.

Starting point is 00:06:46 But also I think that the initially bad sounding idea of like him going to find himself, like that made for great comedy. And then obviously that gut punch at the end of like, I hate it. everything about peacemaker i'm actively fighting against his ideology i think that'll lead to it being actually a good idea that he went and found himself and uh if again you know i don't expect in this version of the story you know james gunn is like a wild enough imagination that you could imagine any number of things happening but i guess that to me creates an inroad to having him be a crucial part in at least getting chris back to the right timeline and getting us out of here um so you know it was fun to have the fun and it's also neat that

Starting point is 00:07:26 maybe he'll come in handy for reels as this adventure unfolds yeah yeah Greg how did you feel how did I feel yeah I felt um talk about Frank Grillo's hair Frank Grillo has this it's way too nice for a guy it is really nice who doesn't give a shit probably yeah yeah mr I don't give a shit about anything spends all day in the fucking mirror I got a look good for the office today yeah nice surprise i mean on the on the vigilant weirdly the thing that said like people will mainly be talking about its ending moments um as as much as i want to say it's predictable because a lot of people predicted it uh but not us we were not really there it was the only thing i caught on to was that they're called sons of liberty and we're in a multiverse so i'm like they must actually be that thing where

Starting point is 00:08:22 this is a resistance that is probably for something good no you definitely you caught on more Yeah, and then Peacemakers messes them all up. I love how that recontextualizes that entire episode all of a sudden. Although what they were doing was still dangerous. The manner in which they were going about how they went about it is

Starting point is 00:08:40 dangerous. And I like the reveal with vigilante. I thought it was going to be he's actually like another racist guy, you know. So I appreciated that he's actually on the forefront and the complete opposite. Like, oh, that would be the total opposite to being a best friend.

Starting point is 00:08:56 They would be, he would consider him as enemy. But knowing peacemaker, he probably doesn't even think twice about Vigilante. Yeah. You know, even in this universe, he probably fancies himself to be his great rival. But maybe he doesn't. He's like who? Yeah, yeah, one of those situations. But yeah, I mean, I like the, that makes so much more sense to me now.

Starting point is 00:09:18 Okay. This is not a plug, but it is a plug. Go watch it. The Robert Patrick interview, I did ask him about how this. is a different guy and did he do like a completely different type of back and he was his answer to my really detailed question surprised me because he was like no he's the same guy I was like really because he doesn't come across like this vile human being yeah so I was so surprised by how he how he answered that but this is just the same character but on top this is the character who

Starting point is 00:09:51 had his vision fulfilled everything that he stands for and I'm excited to see the roads that that it opens up more than anything else. To me, honestly, though, I really feel like Jennifer Hollen was a standout. Yeah, amongst his whole episode, there's a bunch of reveals and you got a crazy big cameo. Like, that's really cool that because of when Peacemaker Season 2 is made, that he's able to shepherd, like, Peacemaker,

Starting point is 00:10:20 make it so much more freaking significant. Or you can have Lex Luthor being here. That's also in Van, Van Kohl, I think. think is the prison? I don't know that. It's not one of the huge ones. You know, the huge ones. It was Van something. It's definitely in the comics. Okay. But I don't know. It's got to be in the comics.

Starting point is 00:10:38 But I don't think it's like a significant prison in that same sense. It's not Arkham or Bell Row. Yeah. No. No, it's not. You know, I think is so great is the fact that like you're watching this, we're like, but everybody in this universe is so nice. And I think that that parallels our universe a lot. were oftentimes, if somebody claims somebody did something racist, people will be like, but that person was so nice. And it's like those two things actually aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

Starting point is 00:11:05 Like somebody whose racist might be nice to one person. It might be racist toward somebody else. And so I think it's really interesting that we've been watching his brother be so kind to him, kind to his girlfriend, kind to his dad, and look like such a hero. And then he spots ads and literally leaps out of his car. and it says, there's a black. Like, oh, my God. Is your guys understanding, and obviously we don't know for sure,

Starting point is 00:11:35 but that Germany won the war, and then they moved to the United States and took over, and that's why there's the Nazi flag, or do you think? I think it's more of a neo-Nazi thing. You think it's neo-Nazi thing? So you don't think this goes back to the 40s, and that's when things changed? No.

Starting point is 00:11:51 Okay. I think it is like the modern Nazis who, had been to a revolt and win. But then what's your understanding of where every person of color is? Oh. Oh, that's a great question. I don't know. They're probably in concentration camps somewhere.

Starting point is 00:12:13 I mean, yeah, it seems like it could work either. In either way, you could imagine that... You took this in a really dark... Sorry, I'm so sorry. You can imagine... Let's just talk about Lex Luther. You can imagine that we lost World War II and that the Nazis just... just won and did their thing and now it's a white, white world,

Starting point is 00:12:29 or I think you could imagine that this is a more recent movement that has, yeah, since very effectively carted off anybody deemed undesirable to some place other than here. Yeah, because there's too much actual mirroring between our world and then. It does make me bring some things into question, though, of, oh, so some of these characters have just completely different values, right? like this hardcore it has to be a totally different person morally right well that's why i'm wondering if this has been around since prior to her being born because yeah this might be all

Starting point is 00:13:07 she's ever known i i don't know it's that's how she like this side hardcore strikes me because she's so like she's so much more like a ignorant younger girl she's like a girl immature yeah and and very much of the posture that like the ideal lady is in this framework. I think that what is the trio called of the family in this universe? Oh, whatever the hell they're called. I think they're so famous and popular because they're probably the faces of the revolution that have led to them taken over. And I think thematic and plot-wise, it would be more powerful storytelling,

Starting point is 00:13:49 especially tying in from season one of a man who was constantly trying to escape the shadow of his father in so many different versions of that now living in the ultimate shadow of his father and I think he is like the there I think they are deemed like the poster boys for this

Starting point is 00:14:07 because they are part of how they were able to whitewash the entire world if that's the case if that's the case then all the people that we saw on the street every one of them that was running after ads is all of the mindset, like, this is new and we need to keep our streets safe from anybody of color. That will be crazy for us to deal with the rest of the season.

Starting point is 00:14:29 I mean, honestly, I know you made a joke, Greg, that I've made this dark. But, like, they've kind of introduced something that they're going to have to address. It's a super dark subject. We're going to have to address, like, some of these questions because what do you mean? Like, either they catch up to ads and she gets. put somewhere or removed or they don't catch up to her and we then get a further understanding

Starting point is 00:14:56 of what would have happened so yeah that's great this is such a different the next three episodes are going to be so different than the previous five but it could be a concentration camp with a reverent James gone humor

Starting point is 00:15:07 a lot of banter a lot of people like you can't lock the cell door that way you can't lock it while I'm trying to open it you got to just the door hand the key again yeah there's stuff they can do They can make it funny.

Starting point is 00:15:21 Because the people, to me, the actor choice, and I guess this could be wrong, but everybody looking at her seemed genuine like it was like seeing something they had never seen. Or they hadn't seen in decades or something like, yeah, it didn't seem like. They're supposed to be here. Right, right. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I can't believe that so many big things happened.

Starting point is 00:15:42 Like that was huge. The Nicholas Holt reveal was huge and is going to be relevant for. all of the DCU. How did you enjoy allowing him to be an R-rated version and immersed himself in the dialogue of the peacemaker world? I felt like he was very natural in this.

Starting point is 00:16:01 I think that he just also where he's at in his life is more of an R-rated place. Like he was coming from being at the top where it's easier to be more of a suit and more put together. And now he's been in

Starting point is 00:16:17 with all the metas in this horrific prison and was I think a little rougher around the edges which makes sense yeah yeah did you guys like him in this I feel like I was getting mixed vibes from you guys because you said that the cameo wasn't as big of a deal to as heart court oh no I didn't mean it like as a slight I was saying the thing that like impacted me uh as a standout was was Jennifer Holland that makes sense but it wasn't like because you didn't like the Nicholas whole it was just such a big moment yeah I can understand how the way I phrased that might have made it

Starting point is 00:16:53 sound that way but no I get what you're saying it was that her work is so strong yeah it was amazing I think that's the one like I think we all went in like okay what's this big reveal gonna be what's the there's got to be some cameos or some shit and the thing that surprised me was fucking Jennifer Hollins like stealing the show

Starting point is 00:17:11 who would have thought that that would be the main thing that is having the most impact and totally yeah I really I really champion for her work in this series because yeah that level of vulnerability that she brings and the art of having to I think some actors might go for the tears

Starting point is 00:17:31 but it's a lot of the art is like when you're in a situation that you're fighting the tears you know and I think that's what she really brought to that moment there and I could that connection that John Cena makes with her as Chris is I really felt

Starting point is 00:17:49 the connection in that moment you know like it just felt like two perfor it's a scene to me i think that's why there's a lot of great moments in this episode and big big surprises but that was the that was like a real acting scene you know that's the kind of emotional shit that stands out to me where you got two performers who are really feeding each other at that moment and truly listening and reacting to one another and you pointed out the multiple takes and because you got the wides and then you got the singles on her and she's got a match for continuity and it's really hard to do emotional wise as well. I was staring at her eyes like and it was the exact shot for shot. I mean, it's so impressive. I had an acting teacher once tell me good acting is when you are

Starting point is 00:18:36 showing your emotions. Great acting is when you're hiding them. Yeah. And she clearly understood the assignment as she's saying to him, I don't I don't know how to feel like you feel. Yeah. And you can see like there's no tears rolling down her face. Yeah. They're stuck in, they're welding up in her eyes, but she won't let them go down her face because she still can walk away from this saying she didn't cry. She just had watery eyes. Like it just, I thought that that was so, God, that's such an unbelievable skill to have

Starting point is 00:19:06 that most people can't do. She just crushed that. Yeah, when he's pleading for a connection when she's sitting, she's not even looking at him when he's like, I love you. and the way she's really like just uh-huh yeah being kind of like flipping or dismissive about it but what is there's so many there's so multi-layered and i guess i've been on the defense for this particular individual because she gets often slighted because of her relationship with james gun but i'm like how do you watch something like that and and and think that it's only because they're

Starting point is 00:19:38 together like she's fucking amazing she's she's she's really incredible and it wasn't it wasn't that exact. It wasn't the example that you were, she wasn't doing that thing that your teacher was saying of the former of like, look at me being so dramatic and how good of an actor. I am. You know, and I say, I think that's like my favorite scene of the whole

Starting point is 00:19:59 thing and the real heart behind it. But yeah, like Lexus, cool. It does open up a lot of doors, though, for some crazy shit. How are you feeling about Rick Flagg Sr.? Or Lex? Talk whatever you want. I don't give a shit. I mean, yeah, Rick is, I I'm curious to that the revelation with him in the last one or just that sort of reveal of like he's more in control than it seems and he's a little less motivated by revenge than it seems is cool as it gets me more interested in him than I have been up till this point.

Starting point is 00:20:30 Fun moment with him and Tim Meadows who delivers bad news like nobody else. But kind of wild that they paid him for this episode. Like Tim Meadows literally came in to sit down. Coming for an hour. but yeah i mean and i can only imagine that rick is going to make it to the other side and have an interesting reckoning of his own just my son's a racist yeah my son's a sad sack racist and uh and yeah this guy i hate like works with him and bosses him around uh you know they have the mutant uh i'm i can hold my thoughts sorry john you were seem like you're on a roller no no no i mean

Starting point is 00:21:06 it'll be interesting to see him burst into that i'm more interested now than i was and i like that scene a lot with him and Lex. I thought that was great, just, you know, character fun, especially for Nicholas Holt, who yeah, getting to be a little more hard line here is great. And two, to your point about the scene, I thought immediately about that

Starting point is 00:21:25 thing about sometimes more affecting watching someone try not to cry than to actually cry. And the thing is, that's like the only scene with John Cena. And yet, like, that scene itself was strong enough. Right, yeah. It felt like he was here for the episode. When he was just the...

Starting point is 00:21:40 Oh, what a good point. recording actor in that scene he's like he's a part of that scene but it's her scene yeah and he's there for it giving and you know it was really striking yeah beautiful centerpiece of everything because it made it feel way more present and then I went

Starting point is 00:21:55 oh wait we've been with the whole the crew the 11th Street kids the rest of the time you know yeah he was in the prolog with the family at the beginning but it wasn't really even his scene yeah so I understand what you're saying those are all really good points and what i was lying in bed with uh amelia too for no but i'm just like the one time he's like

Starting point is 00:22:17 really i remember like they're looking at each other and all dreamy yeah yeah you're a hundred percent right though john if i if you had just asked me how much of this episode was he and i would been like all of it and then like no yeah but i want to get stuck on the technicality of how you were actually wrong yeah you know what and uh we shouldn't check in with that issue i really did um actually you gregg was like except for this one moment. I was like, yeah, and actually this other moment. You wanted Eagley to die, and I thought Peacemaker wasn't in episode six.

Starting point is 00:22:46 I was like, why are they still call a peacemaker? Oh, and Halloween is a real band. Okay, cool. Thanks for that. And honestly, I'm so glad you guys are here for the music part, because I was flying over my fucking head. I was like, oh, I don't know. You even said this obvious is like McJaggart and the Beatles.

Starting point is 00:23:02 I should know that. That's his common knowledge. Yeah. It's flying. But for me, I'm like in between you two. I'm like, oh, you know what? Totally missed that. they said it very quickly to your defense but I thought that that was a great little hint and also like the revolutionized rock Halloween regardless of them being a band certainly they did not revolutionize rock in our timeline so I wonder what happened right oh we lost the light we lost the light the the the in terms of the last thing that I

Starting point is 00:23:36 had a little thought on on what they might potentially do a commentary about you know we have in the marvel universe we have mutants and mutants are often used as an allegory for um you know racism people struggling for equal rights uh the 2000s movies seem to do a lot with um particularly for gay people and i'm wondering if they might actually do some type of commentary with that of like what are meta humans and if meta because he's because Rick Flagg, he's being questioned specifically on that by Lex and that could just be plot mechanics

Starting point is 00:24:13 of reestablishing where they were before. But in the canon of Rick Flagg Sr. in the DC universe, he had a whole team up within the creature commandos where he worked with a bunch of crazy meta-humans who were ostracized for just

Starting point is 00:24:29 being the kind of metahumans. They were and some of them were criminals. But he had a whole character arc journey with them. And he was sleeping with one, right? I don't remember if he slept with one. And Creature Commandos wasn't, it's been a minute since I watched it, but wasn't he sleeping with? He slept with a human.

Starting point is 00:24:44 I don't remember if he slept with a... No, wasn't it? I really don't remember. Really? I remember loving the show, but I don't remember. Comment Rick Flagg's body count below. Yeah. Who was he?

Starting point is 00:24:55 Okay. Except with the princess. But didn't she ultimately end up not being the princess? I don't remember. Okay. I wish I could fact check you guys on this But no Did she turn into clay face?

Starting point is 00:25:09 No, no, no, no, no, that wasn't it. Because she was a batty in the end. Okay, okay. Sorry, John. You just got me hoping for a Clayface where there's an unlikely gay romance With her flexi-seater. No, I honestly, I watched it once

Starting point is 00:25:22 and it did not stick with me the way that these shows do, but by that. No, I remember what happened with that character now. But the point with that is what surprised me is how, little of acknowledgement there's been with that and it makes sense why he would stand up for meta humans in the superman movie because of his association there and there'd be specifically questioned with that in the episode with the racism reveal it makes me wonder if there will be

Starting point is 00:25:52 some type of correlation or metaphor shit that a smart writer would do smarter than me would ever do I think that's completely fair, especially because Lex is like, is he a meta? And when Rick's like, no, he's like, then who cares? So clearly Lex is very clearly going after Metas. Honestly, that does seem like some kind of an inroad to Rick Flagg, senior, being a degree of an asset on the other side because he clear, like that scene in the themes of the episode

Starting point is 00:26:23 does at least demonstrate that Lex, in his own way, is more suited to like a very prejudiced world, whereas Rick Flagg, Sr. has had some cause to open his mind up to certain things. Yeah. Everything he does is more understandable. Like, his, Rick's son died. Yeah. It's about that. And he made love to Clayfish.

Starting point is 00:26:44 That must be how. That might be how the... I need to know what actually happened. Do you have to tell me? That might be how the resolve comes to be where Rick Sr. sees Rick Jr. in this really mess of society because Rick Flagg, Sr., there's no way he's going to comply with how this universe this world operates and i might i'm kind of thinking that what my motivate chris to come out of there is some conversation that um he has with rick flagg senior

Starting point is 00:27:14 or rick something to the effect of look i could stay here too my son is here but this isn't right what this world is this isn't right by the you know you know some shit like something's deep and smart it was interesting here hardcore talk about the universe in that speech to him or beforehand and she's like he couldn't just like let the universe do its thing right you had to go seek out an entirely different universe and yeah defy the laws of reality yeah yeah yeah yeah some cool shit what happened with clayface Greg what happened with the princess who was clayface in the end who was clayface in the beginning clayface was pretending to be the themascar woman oh and the professor lady okay yeah I've only seen each episode once

Starting point is 00:27:54 but it's slowly coming back to me in this moment as you asked specific questions Should I grill you more and we can see how much you remember? The thing that helps me remember is because I have to work. I have to usually like look at the edit and I have to work on the thumbnail. So that's why I can retain some of this information. But yeah, that wasn't it. Anyway, yeah, that's cool. And I think that this episode is a great start for the craziness to come.

Starting point is 00:28:21 I could see how it is like a random new start in the middle of a season and how it does feel very, different compared to the five that came prior to it. And we saw no judo master, surprisingly. No, we didn't mention him, but no sight of him. Somewhere there. Well, he's got to stay in hiding. Yeah, and hopefully red comes back, you know. Yes, sir.

Starting point is 00:28:44 All right, ladies and gentlemen, what did you think about this episode, though? Did you like it, love it, hate it? Do you prefer Coldstone creamy re? Creamy or frozen yogurt? I found a great. great great um churro place in studio city let's go is christian harlough ever take you to pizza wagon the brooklyn please brooklyn i can't eat i don't eat cheese oh oh well you belong in this world yeah i bet they don't eat cheese either that's not true white people do very lot of cheese

Starting point is 00:29:22 yeah i love american cheese and a whole cheese of our very own but anyway next to this pizza waste There's this random churro restaurant. It's like a churro restaurant. And you don't have to get cheese. There's a whole restaurant dedicated to churros and specific kind of waffles made out of churros. I love churros. I love churros. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:29:43 This place is delicious. Okay. Can't remember the name of it. But it is really good and it is located in Sherman Oaks, California. You guys should go check it out some time. On that note, we'll see you next week. Boom, Boom.

The Reel Rejects - WHOA! PEACEMAKER SEASON 2 Episode 6 Breakdown & Review!!

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