The Reel Rejects - Will Smith & Dwayne Johnson Are RISKING IT ALL... While James Bond Is THREATENED By Amazon

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

COMEBACK OR BACKTRACK?! Greg Alba & Coy Jandreau (DC Studios) dive deep into the week’s biggest entertainment stories with unfiltered opinions and plenty of laughs. They kick things off by responding to feedback from last week’s podcast, questioning if they’ve fallen into the clickbait trap, and exploring how tribalism is ruining media literacy. The conversation then shifts to Dwayne Johnson’s bold career reinvention, taking on a Martin Scorsese Hawaiian crime saga (potentially alongside Leonardo DiCaprio and Emily Blunt) and starring in Benny Safdie’s The Smashing Machine. Coy & Greg break down what this shift could mean for The Rock’s future as a serious actor, drawing comparisons to Dave Bautista’s transformative career path. They then tackle Will Smith’s sequel spree—Hancock 2 and I Am Legend 2 are officially in development—as they debate whether this is a strategic comeback post-Oscars slap or a risky play to reclaim his blockbuster legacy. Smith’s musical return also sparks discussion on his evolving public image and audience trust. Next, the duo dives into Amazon’s acquisition of the James Bond franchise, expressing concerns about a potential Bond Cinematic Universe that could dilute the franchise’s classic charm. Will Amazon respect 007’s legacy, or will we see unnecessary spin-offs and forced TV shows? They also break down: Zack Snyder & James Gunn’s viral photo—uniting fandoms or stirring the pot? Marvel’s recent project cancellations and the latest Daredevil: Born Again updates. The potential return of The Defenders to the MCU. Coy’s thoughts on name-dropping, industry insecurities, and the evolution of YouTube discourse. Matt Damon’s casting in The Odyssey and the broader question of how Hollywood handles legacy characters. The growing issue of celebrity worship, media clickbait, and fandom extremism. Plus, the conversation takes some wild turns, covering Kanye West, the need to let Zack Snyder move on, and debates over Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, Donnie Wahlberg, and Mark Wahlberg. The episode wraps up with big-picture thoughts on fandoms, media culture, and the evolving landscape of Hollywood. 🎬 It’s a jam-packed episode filled with hot takes, thoughtful debates, and everything you didn’t know you needed to hear about the state of entertainment today. 🎬 PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thereelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/thereelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Follow Coy Jandreau:  Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?l... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coyjandreau/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYH2szDTuU9ImFZ9gBRH8w Follow Coy Jandreau:  Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?l... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coyjandreau/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYH2szDTuU9ImFZ9gBRH8w Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Reject Nation, right now, I am at the Preserve here in LA. We're on February 22nd this coming Saturday. The real rejects, all of us, are going to be having a panel here. here at Multicon. In addition to that, myself and Koi are going to be hosting two separate other panels. And there's going to be a lot of guests way bigger than ourselves who are going to be here. And yes, they're going to hang out with us. We're going to talk or chat. We're going to have a great old time. Please, if you haven't gotten your tickets, go get your tickets. And oh, yeah, all proceeds go to the Los Angeles wildfire recovery efforts. So it's all band together for a good

cause. Getting your ticket is going to be for a good cause. Hope to see you there, Saturday, Reject Nation. Boy, we got so much to talk about today. Big news day. We're going to We're a Quantif t-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T. We have what Dwayne Johnson is in a Scorsese movie. Wow, that's huge. We have the 007 rights. I feel like these are opposite stories, excited to talk about how they oppose each other. I'm excited to see how you link that in that fashion.

And what else do we have? What else do we have? I emailed it to you, John. What else do we have? You said Marvel things canceled. Marvel projects are canceled. Or are postponed indefinitely. James Gunn and Zach Snyder are hanging out.

since dawn of the dead. James Gunn paid him $50,000 for that photo. That's all it takes. He says I'll endorse Rebel Moon Part 3. If you make me look all right, so people will stop bothering me about the Superman movie and saying Henry Cavill needs to come back. It's all confirmed.

Craig was here for. Craig was right. Real news. And Corey and I also want to talk about what clickbait means. Yes. Why we start with that? Clickbait? Well, I mean, we watched our podcast back and we thought it was fine.

And we, I spend a good amount of time trying to think of a title so last week our podcast was titled captain america brave new world reactions are not great and the thumbnail was what marvel must do and it was interesting experiencing this because the week before was are we shills because that was that's what we get called a lot right yeah and it was fascinating to do a podcast the next week we're all we're doing is just being honest and then to be told we want marble to fail and that we're just clickbaiting when the week prior we had been we and it's it's interesting because they were all different names i was seeing if there were any that were the same people but i have

the mindset that tribalism is ruining media literacy because there's an inherent blind spotting to it can you elaborate on what tribalism means in this context it is forming strong opinions in order to have positivity or negativity bias towards a certain group and othering the other group. In this case, media-wise, it is finding a fandom or finding any sort of thing where if it happens to your people, but then you can do opposite.

So in the case of Marvel versus DC, which is insanely ironic considering like, you know, Kevin Feigy and Jeff Johns are friends, James Gunn and Kevin Feigey are friends. Like there isn't actually a rivalry. But there's this really weird thing where if people are talking, positive about one. It has to be at the cost

of the other. And that's not the case. Like a rising tide lifts all boats. And we're also seeing that happening within D.C. where it's, you know, the Zach Snyder films aren't at the cost of the new films. And so I think there's a tribalism element of my thing isn't getting the love so I have to hate your thing because

it's not my thing. And I think sports has always had that. I certainly think politics has had that. We see the hypocrisy in politics way more clearly, but it's people's lives at stake. So it's really interesting how hard it is to address this libelism causing like blind spotting and blind spotting is like when something's right in front of you and you just can't see it so the thing to me between those two headlines was we had the marvel

shill conversation literally seven days before you guys are just haters you're trying to get clicks from hate and look which video did better yeah the irony right interesting that we literally said hey are we shills for just liking stuff and then our video saying it's got to be minus which isn't great it's good but not great it's also the lowest cinema score a marvel film's gotten which we didn't know at the time what the audience score was going to be and even in the video we say very clearly you haven't seen it we say very clearly

I saw it liked but didn't love it and then I give constructive criticism there wasn't anything in that video that was this sucks how did this fail but because people go into the videos that have a tagline that have a headline that have a thumbnail at the defense because they're so passionate about these projects

that's the tribalism they're like I love this thing why are you hating it what's wrong with you what's wrong with the individual. And even the video that got clipped out from that last week me talking about should captain you asked me if I thought that the events of Cap 4 meant

that he should be the leader. And all I said was I think a leadership role is earned and I'd be interested to see if they handled that in the film and that there are certain elements of leadership that would apply to the film and whether or not we see that yet. And people took it so out of context because

they're so excited to leap to negativity because that tribalism. And I And I think that's really dangerous in fandom because it doesn't allow you to experience art subjectively or objectively. You've already made the decision before you've even seen it or seen the subject being discussed. Yes, and that happens all the times with titles as well. I agree that there's a clickbait culture. I fullheartedly agree with that. But then it got me thinking when we're being accused of clickbait, because the top comment was like, you guys are part of the problems.

And I'm seeing this shift happened in YouTubers as well. What I mean by that is before it was. like, don't listen to critics. You can trust YouTubers, though, in the audience. Now it's, you can't trust critics. And no, you also cannot trust YouTubers now as well. You can only trust the audience score, which is the actual

thing that we can't trust because of people flooding it. Because of tribalism. And even if you look at a Rotten Tomatoes audience score, I think an 80% sounds better than a B minus when you say that. Just like how it's the same. It's the same. It's just like when I say, I want to drop down

from, you know, 218 pounds to 170 pounds. Yeah. It sounds like a lot. But if I measure it in body fat percentage of 21% to 12%, it doesn't sound as bad. Yeah. Right. And that's kind of what they're doing, just not in their own positive way of justifying, I suppose.

So that is like a B minus and a terrible critic score. And I really thought about the title for a lot. I was like, what do we call this? Yeah. And to say not great, I was very intentional. about pitching that title to say the word not great because to me at least this is what i thought clickbait is supposed to be misleading or straight up bullshit or that you say that this is what the video is about but you barely talk about it i thought that's what clickbait was and there's even

people who are defending us in the comments who were like all these accusations are making about what coy and gregg talk about they're not actually talking about did you actually watch the video sure clickbait title but that's all what they're doing i'm like I don't agree that it's a clickbait title, though. Just because it's provocative in some weird way, just because it evokes an emotion. And evocative is a thumbnail. Just because you need it to. You want people, just because you make something for people to click does not mean it's misleading or that we're lying or that we're not talking about it.

And this goes back to one of our earlier videos when we were talking about the loss of what words mean about how words like woke and snowflake and whatever. They all get tampered over time. And now people use the word clickbait, so flippantly. And that's what I mean by media literacy. Yeah, exactly. These are media-based words. And that's why even when you said, what is tribalism? I was like, let me clarify to the subject I'm speaking to.

Because tribalism has so many meanings, but even that concept, I'm sure, is somewhat triggering, which is also a word that is overused. But I will say that when the video first launched, it was like at an 89% like ratio, which is on our lower end. The real rejects average is 97.6%. But then, as it climbed, it's actually at 95.8%. So I'm like, all right. That means some people actually listen.

And double the views of, like, it's doing substantially better than the video prior. We're growing this. And I, we know what we're also doing. If there's a realm of some version of clickbait that there's an accusation of, again, I'm like, I'm not sure if it really qualifies clickbait because I'm aware that the platform of YouTube and all these media sites is to have something that sounds like a little bit dramatic. Yeah. And our point of what we're doing is we're going into that battlefield, but we're presenting a gray conversation. That's the goal.

We're not going in there going, woke, virtue signaling, DEI, all the same keywords to tear something down. In fact, we're actually in there in the same video, we're talking about how your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, which aired during Captain America. is one of the best things Marvel has done. Yeah. So we're also heavily praising it and also giving suggestions. And the other part that was fascinating to me about some of these comments, which is a little bit beyond the subject that we're talking about, is I started thinking about our age when, when, what year did Iron Man come out?

2008. Wow. You see, so we were in our 20s, when it came, both of us, we were in our 20s. I was 20. I was, I must have been, no, I wasn't in like. 18 right yeah i was like 18 when they came out now i'm in my um about to be in my mid 30s so i'm like are the people commenting also our age or are they younger and i was 19 turning 20 and it was 20 years or 19 turning 20 years of wanting something like that the lot of the people that watch

us are growing up in this and it's a different concept they've never had the want they've never had the time where it didn't exist because if you were born in the year 2000 you were eight when iron man came out and though like you never had you never had the experience of waiting for a superhero movie there was always one coming so i think that's also a certain different tribe of mentality of there isn't an understanding of why this is special and i think a lot of the negativity comes from people that i've never wanted or waited for a superhero movie because there's always something coming around the corner well the justification shit that i'm not a fan of is this very sort of low standard i'm excited to talk about what dwayne johnson is doing with his career because

he's not just the Scorsese movie. He's in the 824, he looks unrecognizable. Because we'll go into it. Because I think as the longer you're around, you should be growing. You should be getting better. You should be getting stronger. You should be mixing it up. We're both fans of Eminem who

evolves and changes as an artist. Whether you like the new Eminem or the later Eminem or not, that's up for debate. He's different. Until this album, which looks at all of it. Exactly. It's a reflective piece, though. I'm a huge Chili Peppers fan. Chili Peppers started off as like some weird metal hip-hop band. Yeah.

And now they're some weird genre of their own. And they've lasted decades. Irish slang in that one song. Oh, yeah. That Irish twang in California. Yeah. What is that line? There's like a song where like in the newest album.

Oh, what is that line? Oh, God, what is that line? You're right. It sounds like an Irish. Anyway, my point is the evolution. Yeah. And what I see a lot of is, well, you know, it's like, it's like as good as a phase one movie. yeah but we're in phase five it should be the standard should be held higher granted i'm saying

this not as my own opinion i haven't seen it i haven't seen it i'm saying that i don't feel like it should be getting a pass just because it's on par with something that was four phases earlier yeah there's a difference between backtracking and going back to basics in my opinion and i think that is very much a backtracking and i ask about the age part because there is such a different affect when you are 18 or early 20s watching Iron Man for the first time hearing we're starting an Avengers initiative watching this growth all the way starting as an adult to end game this journey as an adult is different than when you are like a teenager or a kid and you're like you know binging these at home or some shit there's also an element of the teenagers that

this is like for older people now exactly like that's crazy yeah like the Marvel universe is like for old heads yeah that's nuts Well, they're trying to, they have to grow and evolve. It's like when I talk about Daredevil Born Again, needing to be up to a certain level, there will definitely be a part of me that is just happy Matt Murdoch is back. That is happy him and Wilson Fisker going toe to toe

and that the Daredevil world is here again. Terminator 2 is my favorite movies of all time. I tune in for every Terminator property under the assumption. It's probably going to be a piece of shit. But I just love the Terminator world. Although that Terminator anime shows the shit. That's a great show.

Written by Matt and Tomlin, grew up a zirker uh counter reeves book um he's doing the movie and the batman yeah the bad man um the um the 19 98 was been you when you were eight right because you're born in 90 90 yeah so in 98 godzilla i think came out the mad rogerick one so what's crazy to me about this being for old heads is when people that are 26 this year look at iron man that's when they were eight so godzilla minus one would be their godzilla and the old weird godzilla would be the one from 90 game so like that kind of ratio is so crazy to think about how this isn't for that demographic of like necessarily just young adults because a new generation has seen this

their whole lifetime. So I think there's also some cynicism in that because like when you're a teenager, you're so emotional. You're so everything's, you know, the best or worse thing. We're so back. We're dead. Like that's just this extreme. And I think that's a lot of the YouTube audience too. Like we read comments from our perspective of people in their 30s. I don't think that our average commenter is necessarily our peer. A lot of they're older. A lot of comic fans are especially older. but a lot are younger and like are on YouTube just raging against the machine and I think a lot of their own inner turmoil and emotion comes out at movies because that's a safe thing to talk about. I talked about tribalism and politics. I don't touch politics anymore because I think it's all the waste. Like I don't think there's anything in politics worth defending. Yeah. I don't think when you're a teenager you think that way. I think that you don't know what you're just yell at movies. So I think we become the face of that. I think for as long as we've been alive, the phrase don't judge a book by its cover has existed. Yeah. And I think now more than ever, we undoubtedly do that. Of course, I will do it sometimes.

I think when it comes to movie news, that happens constantly. And I'm not going to apologize for saying Captain America preview world reactions are not great. Because you know what? It's not great. It's not bad. It's not terrible. It's okay. Which can also mean it's not great.

I wouldn't say not good, but not great is a different meaning than not good. I agree. Words matter. Yes. You know what is great? Dwayne Johnson. Dway Johnson. Scorsese is probably my favorite director of all time. Yours is Fincher. Yeah. Scorsese is my favorite director of all time. So the anytime I hear about DiCaprio signing back up with Scorsese excites me. And who else is in that? John, what's the word on that? John, turn your mic on. I sent you an email. Read it. Read the email of the summary of the news please john well first of all very important information black summer is the song you were thinking of and the line was a sailor spoke to so thank you thank you uh but yes uh the dwayne johnson movie scorcese's hawaiian crime saga decaprio emily blunt

also rumored to be in this production uh that's what i see here but i can also dig up more DeCaprio Blent Johnson. Well, here's the thing about Dwayne Johnson doing this. I'm going to have a lot of opinions on this. Dwayne Johnson, I was excited at the prospect of him just doing the Saffty Brothers movie because you know those guys can bring out. Is it just one saffty or is it both of them? Is it both of them? Is it brothers or is just one?

Is it just a single saffty? Ooh, still, I feel, I have the faith. Dwayne Johnson, stretching. Yeah. That is so important for an actor like him. And I think that is incredibly smart. I love that we're also going to talk about Will Smith, who's doing something very different than Dwayne Johnson. But Dwayne Johnson has to evolve because he, I'm sure he hears people constantly saying,

guy kind of does the same shit all the time. Even Red One, I'll admit, I watched it. Dude, it's so fun. I enjoyed it more than I expected. That's my favorite The Rock as The Rock in a while. I think it's an enjoyable film. It's the most self-aware. I feel like he has been at being The Rock as the Rock.

And I think he's good at being The Rock. And I think he's really good in comedies. but when it comes to the dramatic, heavy acting chops, no one really thinks of Dwayne Johnson in that regard. I hope that changes. And I think, dude, he's under the direction of a Safdi and a Scorsese. Back to back. There are going to be two very different roles.

We're going to see a completely different side of Dwayne Johnson. Three years from now, I can't wait to look back at this episode and be like, are you ready for the new rock? I've never been more excited for Dwayne Johnson. He's about to be the mountain. I feel like this would evolve him from getting rid of the rock into Dwayne Johnson. I think I think in the same way that Batista has evolved out of Oh great analogy right like he was a wrestler turned actor now I'm like oh Dave

Batista is in a movie how exciting yeah it there's no connotation I'll even know Dave Batista's wrestling name because I don't need to that's how much I see him as an actor Does he have a wrestling? I assume he must have John John what's the wrestling what's the delay John I think it was just Batista was it was it betista they got rid of Dave like seal or Oprah might have been I mean his name was just John Cina right I don't know we're bad I love the wrestling comes up all the time, and we know so little we're like, yeah. It was just Batista, but here's the twist. He removed the U, so it's Batista instead of Bautista.

There you go. Also, it is, Benny Safdi is directing the Smashing machine, and Emily Blunt is also in that movie. But Benny Safty's not the one in... Benny Safty's the one you're used to see. In Oppenheimer? Yes. Oh, wow, okay. I think the combination of Blunt is not to be set aside because they...

Jungle Cruise? Yeah, Jungle Cruise apparently caused this permanent, like, bond between the two of them because jungle Cruz was a number of years ago. The director of Jungle Cruz did Black Adam and now Blunt is working with him and his next two like venture out of his comfort zone thing and you'd want a co-star that you're comfortable with. Well, I think when you get

those kind of directors, I'm under the assumption. I am not 100% certain about this. I'm under the assumption that the way when Tom Cruise works with Christopher McCory or someone else, he kind of is controlling the set a little bit and controlling what's going down and it seems like he's kind of co-directing this

film, right? Yeah. I'm sort of under the impression the rock is kind of doing something similar up until these two up and that's my point i do feel like there's a lot of rock films who's like i got this guy to direct it but he's on stage introducing the director was like oh all right but i think he could use that shift in power dynamic so the hierarchy of dwayne johnson's about to change that's exciting i'm very excited for uh what dwayne john's going to pull off man it's it's a great time for me okay do you want my thoughts apps i should have asked please. No, no, no. I just wanted to make sure. Okay, so Dwayne Johnson to me is a man who knows how to be an entertainer. And I think he was an entertainer up until the point where

the brand that he is so singularly is no longer a viable brand. Brands have to change. They have to evolve. But so to artists. I think the tricky thing was the brand outlived the artist. I think Dwayne's wanted to change before this. I think that the market was just like, okay, the rock is the rock is the rock. And it kept selling for too long. So we didn't get a chance to transfer out of it. Then by the time movies start coming out, it's too late. I think that's why all the rumors of him being late to set. I think that's why all the rumors of him just not caring

as much. I think the rock wanted to evolve sooner, but the brand that was the rock was still selling, so he didn't get the opportunity. Then there was the giant like clapback where basically everyone wanted to hate the rock. It felt like where everybody was like, oh, this negative thing, this negative thing. I was like, what did you do?

And now I think he's going to be able to leverage the fact that the market has dwindled onto the optics of the rock And now Dwayne can evolve. And I think it's going to be a net positive for both because he is someone that wants to be better. He doesn't just show up and do things halfway. Like no one with that much, I know people love to think that when you're muscular, it stays that way. It is a lifetime of maintenance.

No one stays the size of a mountain by being apathetic towards their career. And that's what makes me think people like Batista, Sina, the Rock. They all want to evolve with their art, but they get stuck and especially the Rock. So between these two roles, I could see the rock getting to learn, getting to flex, getting to evolve, and actually becoming like an incredible actor because of his passion for the work. That man does press tours for like 11 months. That man does like everything fully, like the energy drink stuff did, you know, more energy output. I think if he can become like a serious actor, we'll see some Tom Cruise stuff where it's like that level of, oh my God, this guy's so intense and crazy. And that's what I got out of the safety images, like that physical transformation where you don't even see the rock's eyes in what he looks.

dude look up oh my god i was planning on completely unrecognizable i was planning on not actually i didn't realize there was i you could if he walked in the smashing machine is the movie that's the scorsese one no smash machines which one smashing machine is the bennie saff oh i was wrong okay let's see here dude is the a 24 the wrestling film where he holy shit this is him how ins it looks like dain cook from afar because his arms the only way to tell us this guy this is him Three prosthetics on his face and like new man. Oh my God. What a transformation.

That doesn't even look like his body. We're getting a whole new rock, dude. That's him? Really? I got to look like super close to this. Really? That's him? Isn't that crazy?

Are we sure? Yeah. Having not seen the picture you're looking at. Yeah. This one? Yeah. That's the rock. That's the rock.

Yeah. Strap in America. This lucky bastard right here gets to touch his peck. Just swung on that majestic man meat. That's giant peck. His peck. the size of most humans. But yeah, as someone who's a fan of the Rock, as a someone who's a fan of the Dwayne Johnson,

as separate entities, I like that the Rock came out of wrestling and established himself as a movie star. I'm excited to me, Dwayne Johnson, the actor. And I think this combination is, one, going to get Scorsese funding in a way that he wouldn't normally, like, Apple funded Killers of the Flower Moon because they can take huge losses because they use the platform to advertise. They wanted Oscar Love. Who do you go to, Scorsese?

They can lose a ton of money, so here's this three-hour movie that no one else would have made. I think The Rock gets to leverage the fact that people will be very curious about seeing in the Rock movie, and Scorsese gets to leverage the fact that he brings millions of dollars of liability and assets. I just realize you make points with your middle finger. I'm a very aggressive person. Do you see you're doing the full-on middle finger? You're not even, I'm not trying to like undercut what you're saying. I'm like, this dude's straight up just using the middle finger right now.

I'm just to be like, hey, is this like YouTube? And it's not even like, it's like you're doing the whole like balls thing to it. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. I'm defending my boy, Tway Johnson with vigor. I think I think it's incredible. It's incredible. And you know he can do it because he has evolved already. Yeah.

He's already better than when he first came on the scene. I remember watching the Scorpion King when I was young. I don't really remember it, but I remember being really young going, I don't think he's doing that great of a job. movie. The pacifier. He was the pacifier? Which one was Vin Diesel? Which one was the tooth fairy? He was the tooth fairy. He was the tooth fairy. He was the same era. He found his comfortability in the comedy realm. And I think if he can develop these bigger sets of skills as an actor, I would be excited for him to take on another superhero role again and this time truly embody it. Because that was the thing with Black Adam that was missing for me. Apocalypse. I think he could pull off something like that under the right talent. If he can develop the skill set and the confidence to do that, right? Yeah. because that was the thing with Black Adam was I didn't feel like I was watching. I felt like I was watching Dwayne Johnson when you want to feel like you're watching Black Adam. And his passion for Superman and his passion for literally the handshake deal with Henry Cavill,

it was a two-minute conversation I had with him. But the reason I defend him so much is from looking at his work, looking at what actors go through, looking at the choices he's made. But also in that conversation, I have never had, it's not uncommon for someone as a creative to ask a question about your opinion in an interview. It is very uncommon for someone in a five-minute junket to go, we're going to add time to the clock. I want to know what this person's thinking and delay everything.

It's even more uncommon when the person sits and listens to the rambling of a crazy comic fan that is like actually giving all this stuff and like stands up, comes over, gives me a hug and we talk after. We actually bonded over how much his passion for Superman led to that moment and my passion for Superman, the character, feeling that through Henry Cavill in that post-credit scene. Like I loved that post-credit scene because it felt like the Superman I've always wanted to see and the Henry Cavill Superman. I felt like there was this amazing moment where I was seeing that come together that I didn't know was possible. And that was an actual conversation I got to have with someone that it wasn't branding.

Like it didn't feel like the rock selling something. He was actually curious what I felt and we connected over it. I want to see that guy. I want America to see that guy. Well, I think he's, like I went to that connection. I think it's changing because I think the podcast realm of. things is allowing more actress to show them. There's actors you see pop up all the time on podcast and make a change.

Yeah. You know, I think the president going on podcast made a difference in seeing the president. And Dwayne Johnson has been doing the same thing lately. You know, I think he's aware of the backlash. He's aware of the image that has been a little bit tainted. Yeah. And he's smart to be going on the podcast, changing it. Anytime, Dwayne.

Anytime, Dwayne, stop on by. Let me touch your left peck. were you trying to set us up for the Superman, Zach Snyder? I think you were. Thank you. You're really kind. What do you think about that? So it was this photo that we saw right before filming. I didn't see this photo until he showed up of

Zach Snyder and James Gunn hugging. And you see, the thing is a lot of people would say the thing that they've known each other for years. They were to get on Donna the Dead. James Gunn wrote that. He directed it. I'm like, well, things can change. It's been in a while. Maybe they do have some tension with each. I don't know. Maybe they just say things nice to each other. about each other when the cameras are rolling yeah to see the photo of them together i wonder if

the tribalism and media literacy thing is applies i didn't look at any comments i guarantee a large enough contingent will be like well what you joked there will be people that think it's for but like there's no benefit in that for james orzac because it's only going to make the people that are already going to be blind to it go well yeah and the people that like want to be mad are going to stay mad. But I do think it's a beautiful thing for comics are sharing in these characters over time. You hand off the writing baton, like new people take over arcs. When you can do it in a way that feels like a love letter to the character, then the run always does better. So I hope that the people that are actually looking to have a little nuance, get to see that and go like, oh man,

I love what Zach did. Now I'm even more excited for James. I do think that's a smaller Venn diagram that I'd like. I do think it is such a different tribe that like there's someone. much animosity. But for the people in the middle, like, what a beautiful image of just two creators that love these characters talking. I'd love to hear that conversation. Because I've, I mean, I've only met Zach Snyder three or four times, but every time I... That's it. But we've always had... Embarrassing numbers. We all have met Zach Snyder way more than that. I don't know how to tell stories that name dropping, Greg. Like, this is relevant. Like, it's, I'm working on it so bad, but it's a relevant thing. My point being... First off, hold on.

I'm just making fun of the fact he said three or four times. I don't think you've mentioned he met Zach Snyder's like a name, like, oh my God, look at him name dropping. I'm just making fun of the three or four times thing. The next sentence I was going to say was, and each and every time the conversation evolved about these characters in a way that felt like it had left an impression on him. So I'm caveating the three or four times as in if I would just said, you know, every time I've talked to Zach about the character, it would sound like it's been multiple times over years. It's only been a few times, but it's really cool and impactful to have these conversations. where I know he and I see the characters differently, but in these passing conversations,

we have this great, like, there's an eye-to-eye moment that happens where, like, I wouldn't have seen that perspective. And I'm like, oh, this opens my awareness and perspective on these characters that I literally read every week. So in the limited amount of times, comparing to the impact, it's been really wonderful.

So I would love personally as someone who sees the characters more like what the trailer was for James Guns and more like the comics that James Gunn has shown, that would be amazing for me to hear without my own biases, the two of them. Because since I see the characters a little more in the James way, and I don't see them like Zach all the time, but when talking to him, it's always giving me

like a little spark of new. I would just love to hear that because that would be another brand new perspective, like jazz bands, like, you know, like jamming together, like new sounds coming out of it. So that image to me just felt like a great jazz session. So embarrassed about name dropping. Please don't.

I did not intend to do that. There's one comment I did reply to a while ago, and I'm like, oh, shit, is this, is that what that comment is talking about? I just feel so bad about it. No, man. How many times you met James Gunn? In life, only four or five, but only like work mode, like two. But he used to be in the friend group of like a group of friends of mine.

Yeah. So, like, that was like a periphery thing, but it was like a decade ago. So it's actually really crazy how, like, the world's changing. and like now we're like I'm working at DC studios in a way that I never would have thought that that synchronicity would come back yeah coy's been part of entertainment journalism for a very long time he's met a lot more people than that so it is not a name dropping thing it's so funny it's interesting that I get self-conscious about that because I think I I had been as bad as people thought I was but that was coming from a place of true insecurity of me feeling like as um YouTube was popular

I was like I didn't have the numbers and as TikTok got popular I didn't have the numbers so the one thing I had was these relationships, and the relationships I value and hold close to just, but I didn't use to. So I think I used to be like, oh yeah, I might not have followers, but I know people. And now that I'm working on being my own person and not needing that validation, it feels bad twice because I'm, I retroactively am embarrassed. So then I hide it, but I need it for the, like that story wouldn't have made sense without the anecdote. So it's just my own insecurity. You'll see through the course of this show that I'm processing how to be a better person in day-to-day moments, not just be like, Tourette's of name drop.

Okay, you know what I think it is when people have made jokes? Because I'm never, I've never, ever actually been like, I've never, I've never felt. I might have made a joke or two, but I've never actually felt truly bothered at all if you mention a famous person's name of someone you met. I think the difference is, is when normally if I, if I mention, like, oh, I got to meet James Gunn. it is like I met him this time and it was awesome and exciting whereas you're a lot more casual about when you have met someone you know you're more like I've only talked to Zach Snyder like three or four times from like I met Zach Snyder once at this DC event it was pretty cool so it's just it's the the way it comes out I'm a lot more arrogant than you because there's people who will judge we know about people who have judged you on that right and misinterpreted

it i will gladly go to your defense on that i know people have misinterpreted and i think it's just the the black and white thinking of oh we mentioned a famous person's name so it must be so it must be a name so it must be a name so it must be a name job because i see that stuff and i go like how do i make this story work but i appreciate that because i i don't want to but i also like i think the way it comes out of my brain is at this point in my career i think i'm closer to as a human i i am closer to death than birth. Like, you know, mid-life is 77 for Americans. I'm 36. So, like, I'm a little closer to dying than starting. And I'm also, like, I'm 10 years into this part of my career, but 15 years into my entertainment career. So, like, I'm probably about halfway to, like, being

done. I don't want to have spent as long building to this point as I am comfortable in this point. So when I say, like, a person, I want everyone to feel like a coworker because I don't want to spend the time insecure about like, is it okay to talk? Is it okay to approach? Is it okay to have this conversation? So the insecurity comes from how to present it in this environment. I'm not uncomfortable saying hi to anyone in public, but that's why when I say it, I'm like, oh, I talk to blah, blah, blah, because that part doesn't bother me. It's when I feel like I'm speaking out of turn in a podcast environment or something where I'm like, people are going to judge me for mentioning them. I think when we grow in any career, naturally,

you start to be a little bit more unfazed by how famous someone is, too. It doesn't affect my wallet when I meet someone with more money than me. No, and it doesn't really, I used to be hyper, like, oh, my God. And now I can meet people and I can be a little nervous. Yeah. I can be nervously excited, but I'm not like, I would use to shell up. I used to be like to turn the other way. Because my mom was like watch entertainment tonight and access Hollywood.

Exactly. And that whole culture was like, oh, they're gods. And then I'm like, if I'm like that out here, I'll die. Yeah. And also, I am like that with musicians. Because to me, they make met. Like, I get acting, like, because I've done it a little. Whereas, like, someone that can, like, make music, I'm like, how do you alchemy?

Like, it just even, like, see, I can't even read music. So, like, I remember I met Ludwig Gorenson. And I'm so good at talking to people. But Ludwig Gorson was at this party. I was at and whatever was like, when you hear sounds, do you like to hear it as music like I just said words and I was like oh I've made I acted like when I was 15 yeah so I think there's certain people that are still that of course you introduced me to keanu Reeves and I I completely felt like I was I was like I'm gonna miss the song but of course when when I'm there I'm fine

but the lead up of I'm panicking I'm like he's right there it's my turn next you know I'm totally panicking and I also think people feel somewhat belittled and not intentionally and I don't think it's conscious or subconscious thing, it just happens when there are people in the environment we are in and they're not, there is like a judgment. So like casually mentioning I met, blah, blah, I don't want to feel like I'm trying to be elitist. I'm using it as part of a story, but I do feel like when I was more insecure, I used it as leverage. And that's what I'm trying to not. Like, I do think when I was insecure, I would try to feel more secure by making other people less secure. And that's what I don't want. And that's why I feel so squirly about mentioning it,

even if it's a flipping thing. Because I never want people to feel like because we do this, we are any different than them. It's just we've chosen this weirdly specific career path where we're around creatives. But that doesn't make us any different than someone watching the movies from afar. I just have anecdotes that are my personal thing.

Yeah. I think it's also important to separate yourself from that. Like, we got to meet Adam Wingard right before we watched Godzilla X. Kong. Yeah. And I was not of the popular opinion of really loving that movie. sure and i had to be really honest i had to be honest though and i'm like dude's like right in the other room and i just talked to him and he was really nice and he's seen our videos yeah so but i was still respectful in the criticism i think though that it is important for our work as you grow

in it in a field like this that when you do meet people to you got to you got to you got definitely tune down the god worship and that's what's so hard about certain tribal elements of like I love Zach and Deborah Snyder as people and as producers and writers more than I necessarily identify what their takes, but I'm always really respectful of, I see Man of Steel as like one of the best else worlds just because I don't connect to the character in that delivery, but the people that idolize that man are mad that I might have anecdotally mentioned meeting him because they're like, not even more meeting of all you do is talk crap. No, I said that's not my take. So I think that also adds an element to like the, like I don't know what, what's true about Michael Jackson,

but I'm scared to even talk about the movie coming out because they're rewriting the third act because of the stuff that happened with the trials. That hell's the third act could be. That's what I'm saying. But how tricky is that? Because there are some people that have a warship

that will never be able to accept either direction of the truth. And that's messy about celebrity worship because someone being human means they did things. I don't know what things they did, but they lived a life. How do you talk about the art and artists separately? That's our Mel Gibson thing.

That's our Mel Gibson thing. There's the lethal weapon five. One of my most anticipated Seems like the world has it with Kanye in some way. He just gets a, just like, okay, I guess we've just accepted Kanye. The only shirt on his website is a swastika. The most racist guy in the world now. And it's Kanye.

We let it go now. Like, why? Graduation and late registration are great albums. No albums that great. Yeah. Like nothing. No art is worth that. Well, there's our tangent.

I mean, we'll have more probably. But yeah, I think I'll just say this about Kanye. I don't think you should be getting a pass just because he has mental health. struggles who gives a shit i think he's a bad person and he should be he shouldn't have a career anymore everyone has mental health struggle everyone does and uh yeah it's not an excuse uh fuck that guy yeah really i i think he's a terrible terrible person like i literally love i love college dropout i intentionally found a vinyl use so he wouldn't get any money i thought people were exaggerating when they told me what he was doing on his twitter i was like i i literally kind of ignored it when people

in person were saying like car is doing that sounds like that's just so ridiculous that someone would do something like this and then wait a minute what's worse than I than you were saying it's right there and we just like it's con yeah he like we just let it go anyway I think we should also let Zach Snyder move on because because he has to

if there's anyone who understands the business it's the people who work in the business yeah and Zach Snyder knows his time at DC unfortunately maybe in the down the road something can present itself we've seen it happen with Marvel lately, we didn't happen with D.C., where some opportunity might arise, of course. But right now, he's got other things he has to focus on.

And I'm sure he's even kind of at a point after doing Twilight of the Gods, two Rebel Moon movies of like, can we just please focus on what I'm doing now and stop asking me about, do I want to do Justice League 2 and 3? Dude, he's doing a UFC movie. That sounds so cool, man. That is my exact shot. The visual of Zach Snyder doing a fight movie about like my favorite sport? He loves anatomy. He loves sweat.

Oh, my God. And he's so good at filming musculature. Like, that's not easy. Yeah. Musculature is so specific and weird. Zach Snyder filming muscle bro shirtless in a ring. Yeah. Well, I also think the idea of the pitcher is smart because it's a bit like, you know, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. Like, hey, man, can we just come together for a second?

Yeah. Because we need to calm this down. Yeah. And so that might that might light a few candles in a positive way. But who knows? There are so few opinions I care about when it comes to the Superman movie because I want to experience it myself.

Zach Snyders is one of them. I would love to hear what you know what you're saying? Like we had a whole conversation where you were like, that's weird. You don't follow YouTubers like movie stuff. Don't care. And it's not from an arrogance it's because I want my own opinion to be clean. I would love to know exact thought of the trailer. Well, he also did Brightburn, which very much

was something that couldn't have existed without Man of Steel, I think. Right. It was very, a lot of people will just go with Superman, I'll take him. I'm like, it's very specifically like, Man of Steel, Altake. Yeah. So, yeah, I think there's a lot of respect, and I'm glad they're getting along. Now, let's get that photo with David Ayer. And who else is there? Who else didn't get a proper shot in the DC universe? Yeah, so there's that. Let's talk about Will Smith because he was in the suicide squad. There we go. We transitioned it. Fellow rejects the other day. We had one of those days where everything just piled all at once. Our back studio flooded. It actually flooded. And in that same exact time frame, we got hit with a bunch of copies. right claims. Suddenly in just one day, due to everything, I just naturally became stressed about finances. This is a real thing that happened. This sounds like it's made up, but it's actually not.

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And like Twitch streams and all sorts of influencer stuff. He's been smart. He's been very smart. For his, because what was the movie he did with Anton Fouqua? It sounds so bad to be like, what was that slave movie he did? That just sounds,

that is what it is, but it sounds bad when I say it. It does sound bad. When you're like, what's that slave movie? The guy sounds like so dismissive. That is 2022's Emancipation. Emancipation.

Wasn't a big hit. And I was just fresh off of the Oscar slap. And then he did Bad Boys for Life. Big hit. People really loved it. And now he's talking about they got back into rap. Yeah, dude. He's a with Big Sean.

I like, I actually kind of like his raps. I think they're definitely different than when he was younger, as they should be, because people should evolve and grow and mature. So, yes, they should be different. Because he might not be like the craziest or fastest lyricist or something, but he's definitely a poet. Yeah, he's a lot to say. Absolutely. So I like, I like what he has to say.

I like the experimental music videos, like the Matrix tribute, the meta-ness of that. Have you read his book? I'm not read his book. It's really good. The one that came out right before the slap. Yeah. Yeah. Like six months before. It is crazy how the slap did.

Before and after. There is a before and after that can mess with. It doesn't, because I idolized Bill Smith. He was one of the celebrities where I was like, man, if I ever got a chance to work with him, I don't know what that would be. But if I were just working with him, I would just want to take less paid just so I could hang out with him for like a week. because I really love his, even the Kevin Hart interview we did on the Kevin Hart show. I'm like, oh, my God, that was post-lap and everything, but I really love his philosophical way of thinking.

And now he's, he's being smart, I think career-wise, to really bounce back to go smart or desperate. I don't know what you would call it because, what is he's home with, John, can you find out how old Will Smith is? He's about to be 60 or something, right? Or is he? I'm not sure. will Smith is exactly 50 so he's 56 and change he's 56 and a half thank you because what he had uh he didn't want to do sequels he didn't want to do independence he just did the men in black sequels now he's he's like okay whatever you need we're going to do i am legend two now we're going to go the austrian ending we're

going to do hancock two now you guys want hancock two now right what else can we do a part two too too you know it's it's really good point what do you think about will smith's uh sequel moves that he is making I think it's as much Will Smith as the market. What does that mean? I think the market isn't really looking for movie stars from a certain era to adventure into fresh IP as much as they're looking for the combination of the movie star and the IP. So there aren't as many movie stars every single year. There are less.

Like Timothy Shalame is an accept. Like the fact that there are so few movie stars that they stand out is so different from when Will Smith was. Like Will Smith was Mr. 4th of July, but there was like 10 or 20 people that could open $20 million. They can command $20 million check because they could open a movie at like, you know, a substantial thing themselves. They were above the title. There are less above the title movie stars now than ever, but the ones that are still around don't seem to be opening as strong. Like when I think of Leonardo DiCaprio, I think of what's the project? Even, even still,

like Tom Cruise, I think is still a movie star. I think Brad Pitt's a movie star, but I couldn't name 20. Whereas when Will Smith was big, I could. I think it's, a combination of the market wanting those movie stars to do sequels because that's what they're attached to. But even before the slap, Will Smith had like collateral damage in a bunch of movies that didn't open well. So he was not the guy he had been. But if you put together that era nostalgia with the nostalgia of a sequel, it's going to do double the numbers because of the combination. So I think it's both things. But I also think Will Smith is, I think he's more comfortable with himself than he had been even right before the slap. And I think there's a certain

level of not having to prove anything to anybody. I think he didn't want to do sequels because he was trying to be a certain kind of guy that didn't need to. And I think he was trying to like, and this is from reading the book, like I could be wrong. Will Smith seems like the kind of guy who is, I'm doing it my way. There's no other way that I want to do it. Like I know there are other ways, but I'm Will Smith. I do it big Willie style. Like this is my thing. And I think he had probably told himself like no sequels. But I think now he's like, I like making movies. I enjoy working with these people again. I made that rule. Why would I keep following a rule that I made if it's hurting my career? So I think, I mean, Will Smith seems happier now. I got no problem with the

slap, dude. I mean, I have no issue anymore. I didn't then. I lost a lot of followers because I didn't then. I was pretty vocal about it. I don't think it should be unsafe to do stand-up, But I think if it's a repeated joke at someone's expense that's personal, I don't mind's that. I think he should have been removed from the Oscars personally at that time. I haven't watched a Jet Apatow movie since because I had a bigger problem with Jet Appetow's response. Oh my God. Yeah. He could have killed him.

Sorry, Judd. I'm out. I feel like it might have been fine. If we can let Kanye get away with everything. Okay. Let me listen. Come back. I'm my man.

Like, I don't understand why. Will's been rapping way longer. That was the part where I was like, okay, me, I bet if he had been removed from, that'd be less. I think there'd be exceptionally less because they'd let him have a speech. They give him a standing ovation. He gets to cry. He's been acting so long, though, and he got his best act.

Okay. The Oscars are just a giant business meeting. The Oscars are bullshit. But it's like a bunch of accountants getting together, but we filmed it. I'm excited because Conan's hosting. I'm so excited. Only reason I'm excited. But if I was an accountant,

I would be excited about the accountant meeting, potentially. Sure, sure. So like, I'd be excited about the accountant too if I was an accountant. Dude, I'm so excited with the movie the rest of the year, except for Superman. I'm not kidding. But I think that us in the entertainment industry, I'm excited for the Oscars.

I always am. I love the Oscars. But I'm in the entertainment industry. So like, I think it makes sense that you're seeing people you either have worked with or want to work with getting their flowers. To me, it makes sense for us to enjoy them. But, like, if someone got in a fistfight at, you know, a travel agency, I wouldn't care. Okay.

So, like, I don't know why it's a big deal. Like, it was an open hand slap. Why should someone be, if unless Chris Rock wanted to press charges, I don't care about travel agents fighting each other. I think there's a lot, well, there's so much contextually that's vastly different on, like, a public forum. This is so formal. There's a lot of, like, policies. And absolutely could. We don't know.

They can be wearing suits there. They might be in suits. They might be in suits. So you know that travel agency. You never know. But if someone makes fun of someone else's wife repeatedly, I don't blame him for getting upset, right? And then him, anyway, we don't have to really unpack the slaps.

It's not the thumbnail. I think we can totally move past the slap is where I per. I know a lot of people can't for some reason. Someone must have been slapped really hard with their yoga. but like no okay sorry if I really hurt your feeling I'm sure there's someone who's like really triggered by that um the I do think we can move past the slap though when it comes to Wilson I agree what I find okay my honest opinion about that I didn't even realize still right now like why is this sounds so weird to me bad boys for Hancock to I am legend too because he won the if the slap didn't happen he should be on his marathon right now of just being the best actor he could possibly be and not franchise guy not sequel guy you know that's why i think his next movie was emancipation that he had followed up like he was doing collateral damage he did freaking um what was the movie he won for i don't even remember the

name of that movie tennis coach king what is that king richard king richard king richard thanks john um king richard i haven't seen it king richard emancipation then he's like all right bad boys hancock too i am legend duke and now that my career is kind of like Look at Olivia. I'm back to rap. The back to wrap thing seems very genuine to me, though. It could be wrong. That seems genuine to me because it is his own creativity, his own words, and his own personal expression that seems like he needs, he wants to get it out. So I, and I could be very wrong. Maybe for all I know, he's been wanting to do I Am Legend 2 altered and ending sequel forever. He's maybe he's been wanting to do Hancock 2 sequel for a very long time. And now he just feels like now is the time. I do think though that this undoubtedly was not I don't feel like this was the path that he wanted to do post Oscars

I feel like he wanted to do the extra because this is this is going back to the things again there's a difference between back tracking and going back to basics like I said and I kind of feel like this is a bit of backtracking same time I am there so ready for I am legend have you read the book

I'm legend no I've seen the Omega Man with Charlton Heston Dude, I Am Legend is so good. The actual book is incredible and the actual ending. Well, you've seen a Mega Man, but the actual ending is amazing. So I love, I personally love they're making a sequel because they have to fix the ending. Like, I love that the canon has to change to make a sequel possible. Plus the idea of Michael B. Jordan and Will Smith together.

And Zendaya, he wants to get in Hancock, too, as well. Come on. All of that's great. Yeah. So that being said, I'm still like, no, I'm part of that thing that you are playing to, Will Smith. I would absolutely love to go. Same time, like I'll say, I could be 100% wrong. This could all be genuine from the heart decisions that he wants to do.

Like, this is what he truly wants. Yeah. Is to follow up because I can imagine, because now that I'm, now that we're exploring this subject, what I can imagine is when you're, one of the things that you can be most threatened by is that lack of connection with the audience that you have, that you've cultivated, that you've cultivated, that audience. I think that's the word trust. And I think that's what he really wants to regain back.

Because that connectivity, that trust, that love, that's so important. And people like rock, people like will. Smith, they know how much value is in that in their career for, in a lot of ways, their own well, being, even though it's like, you shouldn't get validation from under, it's like, well, it's part of their career. They need to be able to, audiences, customers, and whatever, they're the reason they're there. They have to rebuild that connection and trust. So you play Mike Lowry, you play Hancock, you play the hits.

Yeah. It's like a band that the last two albums didn't work out. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm saying now that we've talked it out, yeah, I'm at a different point of view here. I'm like, right up here. We talked correctly to do it. That's no conversation.

evolution but this bond thing I'm a little cynical about oh I'm super cynical I'm super cynical I'm super cynical I feel like they're ruined bond this is the opposite of duane johnson's in the beginning this is the opposite yeah dwayne johnson working of corsaysian staffee is a choosing art over business it's choosing show over business yeah this is business over show this is absolutely concerned i don't want a bond cinematic universe that's exactly what they're going to do i'm like holy shit they're going to do it they're going to ruin bond Q's going to get a movie Exactly what I thought I thought they're going to do some

Q like younger boys They're going to do young bond Yeah Oh my god I'm like please don't Oh no It's coming dude All that shit

I'm like they're gonna mind this And the TV shows That we don't want They're gonna cast the worst possible most Like CW looking Like not Like I'm worried dude

You see I haven't seen A lot of the Bond movies I might even say I haven't seen most of the Bond movies I haven't seen most Actually when we went through our movies to watch to react to, I was like, I think I'm safe for anything but Craig, and I've seen one Pierce

Prosden, but it was when I was a child. So like, I'm not even attached to this franchise and I'm worried. Well, it's because we understand the film preservation value of Bond so well. Yeah. Anyone who follows film, even beyond, if you don't, you know the value of a film franchise that Bond is. We are going to go into some, well, at least I feel like it's important to go into some spoilers about no time to die. So if you haven't seen it, I know it's been a while, don't listen, because there's certainly spoilers here that are going to happen. We saw that together, right? We did.

We did see that together. We saw it. Okay, so we're going to go. I remember watching that being like, but they did kill them off. And that canonically is it? But you see, that's the strange part about the Daniel Craig era to me. They broke the mold. I feel like maybe behind the scenes, the producers have had moments in time where Bobbiard's,

Bond is not doing well, and they're like, oh, my God, is this the end of the franchise? I feel like as film audiences, we've never really believed that there'll ever be the end of a Bond franchise. It's one of the special legacies about Bond, is that even if they have like a die another day, the last Pierce Brosnan movie, which is apparently like people hated that movie, I think you're like, okay, well, they're going to reboot it sometime and it's going to be fine. It's like Batman. I know there's more Batman. You know there's more Batman. Yeah, but the game changed with Daniel Craig because they really broke them like, we're going to give him an origin. story and we're going to give him an ending. We're going to give him a family.

We're going to do all of that and we're going to kill him off, which is such a, it's weird because they created what many considered to be after Connery, maybe, like everyone has their favorite bond, but for our era, a lot of people prefer the Craig film. Like, those are great movies. The Craig films are amazing. The Craig films are amazing. They are. Like, I don't like two out of, how many other, five, four, something of that.

I don't like Quantum and Solis, and I don't like Specter. odd opinion right no it's i don't like those two movies but the other ones i think are really solid films and there it does change something because you've been watching bond forever where you're just been watching like the same guy in different eras of bond and now we're going to give him an origin we're going to end him off so they already created a bit of a of a of a weird corner they've backed themselves into in a positive way where they got to get really creative yeah i don't think amazon is the maneuver though and i'm hoping amazon I'm really hoping

but from what we've seen with other studios and even Amazon themselves it would liken to seem that they would not do the respectable route of well we should just make these films and do what we were doing before and just keep it keep the train rolling I think everything you said

I thought of all that this is going to be cinematic universe I literally said they're going to go Q movie they're going to do all this shit that like no one's going to care about I'm a little bit of an optimist where I'm like, but if it comes out, maybe I'll give it a shot and me.

I will give it a shot. I will be there to see if it turns out good. Dude, I thought the Pennyworth show wasn't going to be good. Because I was like, who need a butler for, like, you know what?

And it was amazing. It was good. It was incredible. Okay. But I was cynical because it was like, what's the show on this obscure network about, you know, Batman's Butler?

And then no one watched it. And I promoted the hell of it. I had the actors on my show at the time. I did all I could. And then it still didn't do well. green lip for a second season, no one kept watching it. And then by the third season, they were calling it like Batman's Butler Pennyworth and I was like,

oh God, we've gone so far. That's what I'm afraid of is like, it might start strong, it might even be good, but people are going to be like, why would I care about young James Bond? And then I think it's just going to devolve into like, you know, them having to make it a market. Boy, get it right. It's Pennyworth the origin of Batman's Butler.

Even worse! How insane is that title? They really called it that? That was the title, right? I thought you were saying this was like a thing that people were just calling it. Started as Pennyworth. It evolved into Pennyworth, the origin of Batman's Butler for its third season. That's really what they called it? How insane is that?

I don't think people know what the Pennyworth show is. What is the story about Batman's mother? What if we call it? Edge of Tomorrow, live, die, repeat. Halfway through its release. What if we change the title? What if all the marketing gets confusing? They put out poster.

They re-released posters for a movie that was already titled and changed the title. I don't think people are watching the Pennyworth show because they don't realize this about Batman's muller. This is Batman's origin. Oh, my God. That really happened, dude. Oh, no. I hope that wasn't the show. Runner's idea.

And I love that show. Like, I was in, I was the call coming inside the house saying, no, no, you've got a good thing here. So I, I like, about Bonn. I liked Gotham a lot. Yeah. I thought Gotham was great. And there's, uh, there's motifs that they've, oh, my God. But Gotham gave us Cameron Monaghan as two different jokers.

Also, like, the penguin didn't have to be like Batman story. Like, I was afraid, you know. they'll be like, you know, the penguin from the Batman. Like, I was really afraid they'd have to do. So, like, maybe we won't have to. But I also think we're entering an interesting age. I can't get over that penny words.

Isn't that crazy? I literally got the news brief and I was like, I can't. What year was that? I'm sorry. Like four years ago, dude. This just happened. What year was season three, John? Season three would have been

that is so big. 22. Oh, shit. This show started four years. Just happened. Oh, God. Four years ago, they changed the time. That certainly was not the showrunners.

That can't have been the show. The show was good. That had to have been the networks. The show felt like if Luther was, so I've always considered Luther like the coolest British Batman. Like, you've ever seen Luther the Idraselba? No, no. So it's this awesome, like, Sherlockian story where it's a detective,

but each of the villains is like a crazy Arkham escapee. Like, it feels like a Batman show. And I was like, they'll never make this an American audience. And then Pennyworth came out. And I was like, they did it, but it's canon to Batman kind of. And then, like, no one watched either in America. And I was like, we don't have nice things. Oh, man.

So now I'm afraid of Bond trying to cater to an American audience when it's inherently such a British thing, because I've seen the British things not translate. And I, I'm obviously very American, but there is a merit to other cultures keeping their flavor. That's the beauty of culture is it's got specificity. I'm so afraid of the specificity of Bond going away by way of an acquisition by something as crazy as Amazon. Yeah. I'm afraid it's going to lose its flavor.

Because as it is, James Bond very much went, hey, that Jason Bourne was doing pretty well. What if we, and like that was walking a fine line. But I feel like a born, if Amazon took on Bourne, I'd be like, all right. They have Treadstone. They have Treadstone. They made a Treadstone show that no one watched. Oh, they did. There was a Treadstone show.

I don't know about any of this. My point. I don't know any of this shit. Damn. He is correct. 2019, one season on Peackeye. Stone, the world of Jason Bored. That happened.

Oh, my God. The origins of the organization around Jason Borg. They should do all the... We should just make that a norm now. Just a weird, long-ass titles. That way, you cannot fit at the cinemas. Sinister 6, you know, those bad guys from Spider-Man. But, yeah, I worry about Bond.

I do think it's a money decision. I worry more and more the direction we're going with art. I know... And that's why I think the Rocks, decisions are exactly counter to the way things are going. I feel like things shifting into commodity is going to be happening more and more because of the need for escapism. Yeah. I feel like the way the world feels is going to make people go like, I just want to stick my head in the sand. And then it's going to get like simpler and simpler. I think the Amazon really has to pay attention to

again, hate to break to rings of power people. A lot of people love the shit out of rings of power and a lot of people hate it and I'll give them that a lot of people who hated it before it came out because of women and black people. That's very true. But there's also a lot of people who are like you know, it's whatever. It's okay.

I watched five episodes and like I just couldn't stay. Give it two seasons. I like the second. Give it two seasons. That's such a crazy. That's my least favorite thing in modern pop culture. Can you just, if you give it till season six, it really turns around. What happened to the art of a good pilot? I give it three episodes. I can

not give it a season. So, uh, I like, I like season two significantly more, uh, kind of by a happy for it. Um, but one, they just released like a, and they're going to be going ahead. Right. Infographic to their Instagram to let everyone know they're doing a big old time jump. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Smart. Because they are flailing and, uh, they have committed to five seasons. And they've committed to billion dollars. Like it's one of the most expensive productions of all time. Well, they have to really learn what happened with Star Wars. I think that's what Amazon has to pay it. I think Star Wars is a, I think Star Wars is the perfect example of that's exactly why I thought of all this bond shit because like while there's other properties where they've done this these weird spinoffs and trying to do cinematic universes

star wars undoubtedly was the one that failed the most i think at it they have completely diluted the brand even if they have a great thing like andor yeah it's waiting till andor i mean before we started rolling i was like man i can't wait till andor because it's the first thing i'm going to be covering that i'm actually excited for in star wars yeah i covered um the acolyte and didn't love it and I covered Skelton Crew and it grew on me, but I wouldn't have watched those blindly. Well, Scalton Crew was not a huge show. No. That is the reality people have to face.

Even though I can acknowledge, but people really like it. Yeah, it was better. For people who watched it, it wasn't big. And that's a weird time we're living in when there's a Star Wars is like, when there's a John Watts led show and you got some of the, you got the Daniels directing an episode. Did you have Bryce Dallas Howard directing an episode? Yeah, like some big directors. Jude Law, who used to be one of those actors above the title I was talking about.

That, if that was a show that came out around like the first year of this acquisition, it would have been a massive show. But it wasn't. It wasn't a massive show. And Disney has completely tarnished the Star Wars brand. And that's, that's not me saying that everything they've done is a bad thing. In fact, I've liked more than most people have when it comes to Star Wars. I've even liked episodes of the Acolyte that people hated. We like that one. We walked together. Yeah. So that, but I can. When Michael Tesla didn't show up, we get the best rated episode. But I can also see that Star Wars has definitely been damaged. It is so freaking apparent. And that was my first inclination. Like, please don't go the Star Wars route. Yeah. Please don't go the Star Wars route.

And cast well. Like, I think that's what Marvel did so well, building out their universe, was they relied on the talent of the directors, the writers, the actors. Like, Iron Man wasn't even finished. Imagine if you talked about backtracking versus the basics. If the stories about Iron Man production came out today, the headlines that were. Oh, my God, yeah. This was going to fail to a tank. Yeah.

We got a guy that can't be hired on TV that was fired from Allie McGill with a script that's not written yet from the director of swingers. Not my Iron Man. Yeah. It's crazy. But I think they trusted then more. I don't know how much Marvel trusts in what their creators are doing or Star Wars trusts in their stuff. Well, you know, part of there's that. There's one little ingredient when it comes to Marvel, which by the way, Marvel counsel.

is apparently put three projects on pause, and now we're at that section in this chapter. That was my tangent. Yep. There's one element. Did you just future edit yourself? Did you just whisperer you like insert the time stamp here because it's hard when you're scrolling.

I like that I was like trying to make it clear as a chapter and you're like, I will verbally acknowledge the chapter. I just need to say because I got to go in and find it. I'm like, when is this part? Audio book, turn page to 702. Because there's way more chapters now because there are so many stories. People like it. When it comes to Marvel part,

remember when the Deadpool of Wolverine leaks were, like people were taking the photos and stuff. I wonder how much of creativity, like just actual good filmmaking may have been damaged due to intensity on secrecy. What do you think about that? I think that if there was only one day that paparazzi didn't show up to that set,

and it was when Chris Evans was filming his outdoor stuff. And I think that if that, had changed, that movie would have been released differently. And I think that's something you have to keep in mind now. And I think that's a really good point. I do think the mental energy, like people are, it's so, actually, it ties into what we do. People are always like, all you guys do is talk. There's so much mental energy in thinking and framing.

And that's why, like, working a desk job is mentally draining because you're actively thinking. I can't imagine doing something creative, which is the most mental bandwidth I can think of, but also having a part of your brain being like, how do we keep it, keep it quiet. And so, like, that would tarnish just because of the volume. like just because of like you know the health bar of your mind so i do wonder if they have to do an extra dance if that hurts the film but i also think that we should film stuff that is fake like i know there was that lawsuit about trailers that has to you know feature in the film but i think the hulk running in infinity war is the best moment of trailers had in forever because it made

us theorize so represents the movie yeah so yeah it's still but i'm saying we need more of that they need to fake film stuff i wouldn't call it click page the batman the batman had stuff that was filmed falsely yeah um for paparazzi like zoe cravitz on the stairs of uh the courtroom was misleading on purpose i think we got to do the when it comes to trailers john and i've talked about this a lot we loved like the old trailers where they were stuff that was just just trailers just shot for the trailer yeah same i missed those a lot same and the voiceover guy yeah man in a world where this is what's happening in the trailer but it's only for this trailer yeah we're the three projects that were cancel, John. It was Nova Terror,

Inc. and Strange Academy. I don't know what those last two are. Strange Academy would be rumored to be like a Wong centric show about like a school, the Comartar school. Hogwarts. Nova. Yeah, here you go. Nova was going

to center around Nova and confirmed by Kevin Feige at one point to be the Richard Ryder version of the character. Expensive. And then Terror Inc. I am still pulling up. have you heard of terror ink terror ink i hadn't heard announced

um actually don't that's strange academy is a great comic and nova's a great character what's terror ink like i don't know if it's a working title or if there's a comic i don't know of uh i also wonder if armor wars it's a comic book horror series of comics anyway it's the one of these

that has the least commentary and or preemptive hyping so like anthology series or anybody yeah it seems just like a horror centric uh i'm trying to figure out what characters would have been prominent Yeah. That would have been cool. Well, Marvel Zombies is this year, and I feel like they're kind of shifting away from the specific... Like, they're going from a specific genre back to specific characters, which I think is smart.

Like, and I feel like they're going to be leading with a lot of more their ABC team as opposed to like trying to bring new things. Yeah. But I think that's all heading towards a big reboot. Sorry, quick update. It would be starring the anti-hero terror, an eternal entity that absorbs the talents of others through their dismembered limbs. And that's what I mean by obscure characters. like that i i think they're staring away from like those cuts damn that sounds horrifying that sounds great okay i mean how do you feel about these cancellations uh armor wars i'm

more bum by than any of the ones that are officially postponed but like the last time they asked don't know if you hear anything tell me and it seemed really like it didn't seem like a a lawyer answer it felt like he as an actor was upset because he wanted to do it of course i was really excited for a cap four being the new sam wilson journey and i was really excited for the idea of armor wars being iron man for and don chiegel finally getting his due i feel like don't chiegel is like super underserved in the mccu like if you look at don't chetel's acting the dude is incredible the dude isn't a incredible act how do you have him in the background all the time and then after what they did to win the secret invasion i don't feel like any of the roadie performances have

served him no it's truly showcases tal he's just like a likable guy he just kind of like secret invasion in the first two episodes. That's why I like the first two episodes so much because they were like Don Cheadle sitting in the chair talking being an awesome actor. And then like they did the twist and they ruined a lot of stuff. But that is the performance I'd love to see an Iron Man for. And I thought Armour Wars would basically be that because it danced between being a show and a movie and a show and a movie. And now I feel like it's just not on the schedule. Last week we were talking about the Marvel television side and how it seems like movie, the MCU seems to not want to elevate or uplift or strongly tie themselves into that. Like there are a separate thing.

I think in the category of Marvel animation they're especially like we want nothing to do with animation down here which is strange to me because it's all the best things and this all comes from comics which is an animated thing so it's strange of how much

they distance and on top of that too sometimes get huge actors and sometimes actors from the live action to be in there so it's especially strange to me when they don't elevate the Marvel animation side since you're saying strange so much I do have a correction

here. The Strange Academy was going to be set in New Orleans. So Brother Voodoo? Potentially. I mean, it centers on a school founded by Dr. Strange to educate young individuals with magic abilities. The show is expected to focus on Wong. But I mean, certainly an in-road to those

things as well. I love Brother Voodoo so much. Like, Keith Stanfield for Brother Voodoo. That's a bummer, because Strange Academy's a great comic. Chris Pichello art. It's really fun. It feels like Hogwarts and Marvel. It would have been special. And Nova was going to be a show? Nova was going to be like a space cop show. he's kind of like their green lantern

yeah yeah yeah that's who brandon davis wants to i've been hearing about nova for so since guardians won the nova core we all thought was a backdoor pilot for nova you see images in the captain marvel trailer like is that nope no it's just captain marvel no it's just a helmet it's a helmet there yeah yeah but since guardians one which was 2011 i'm surprised they're they're it's expensive

cosmic space stuff i think james gun found a really unique balance of applicable and cosmic and i think that's me hard to match and Nova would have to. I guess what I'm trying to get at is there an emotional response to any of these that you feel? Because I'm kind of like, okay, I'm not really a, I'm not bummed, like, that would have been nice. Strange Academy, I have a little bit because I'm connected to the comic, but I think it's

interesting. My strongest emotion is about one that wasn't mentioned. Yeah. You asked him like, armor wars? Clearly like these three weren't high on my radar. Granted, like I said, Brandon Davis is like the novice of guys. Like, that's his Spider-Man. So I'm sure he's affected differently, but I never.

connected to I didn't connect to cosmic Marvel except for Jim Starlin's comics until what James Gunn did to get me into the Guardian's mindset like that that is way I like cosmic when it's very specific general cosmic comics aren't my thing and Nova's always pretty cosmic well it seems like with Marvel television from the amount of promotions I am avoiding for dare to born again I haven't seen anything except that one image I'm happy to see it though happy good morning America they're releasing exclusive clips there I'm happy about the extra trailer that they're getting like they're really pushing it and to me it's exciting to see them actually treating it like this is something people must watch yeah this is important and i like that they're

doing this for a television show and it got me thinking of okay maybe i was just misreading it that they only left for animate because we had two animations marvel shows back to back what if season three and your friendly neighborhood spider man and promos were like nowhere to be found or they were really light on the schedule but what was the live what was the last live action one agatha In terms of the show. Agatha. Was that really promoted? I think it was pretty promoted, right?

There was like two or three trailers. Yeah. People were, was it on magazines and shit? I'm not sure. They took out a lot of, I feel old. I feel like print ads and there were a lot of billboards up. They even had like a light up billboard, at least here around town. And then at D23, they had an Agatha bus.

Yeah. So maybe on their live action, they still go to support them. But bless you, bless you. But they don't, I still feel like they don't care to try to. tether it. And the MCU is in a weird spot right now because they became huge off of

connection, of like, interconnected properties. I feel like Daredevil's the beginning of their year. I hope so. Like this to me feels like the first, I'm like, okay, it's time. I really hope it's good, man. Next week? I'm excited to see it. I'm, I really can't wait. I am one

episode away from, I've been slowly doing it of my Daredevil season 3 rewatch. I'm very excited for this. At the same time I'm like, I am nervous. The stakes are high because you're excited. Yeah. Did you hear Brad Winderbaum's comments about the defenders?

I was hoping you would bring it up. Oh, because I forgot to bring it up. Brad Winderbondon basically said like, oh, that sandbox is available to us now. I can't say too much about it, but I'm really excited to play in it.

I know I love for Jessica Jones and Luke Cage and a recast of Iron Fists. Or bring in Colin Wing. Colleen Wing? That's how we left off, right? That's how I would do it. That would be cool.

dude she is so great oh my god i started watching everything jesska hendmick's done because i fell in love with her in iron fist and then the matrix i fell in love with what i remember of that movie and she is so talented and so versatile i would absolutely watch an ironfish show with her but we're living in a time where people were like why to make her a girl so like i would love that but i don't know maybe maybe the fin jones not being loved was strong enough that they could bring in calling wing yeah but jesska hendman could be the greatest way to make that defender a whole team if i remember correctly i think i liked fin jones more in the second season i did a lot yeah as much as i made i mean i made that crack right now i'm like but i remember he got he got

he got better he got better i thought the season was better overall and i remember him in particular being a lot better i would love to see mike back as lukech dude my colters uh two shameless name drops coming at three shameless name drops coming at you uh i had i've met each of them very briefly but uh it was really funny the difference and tone of each of them and that's why this is applicable at a coffee spot. Finn Jones was in front of me to get a coffee and as he just turned around I was like hey man I'm really stoked for Iron Fiss season two

it was like right between the two seasons he's like yeah I hope people like it man and like that has stuck with me for years to the point where now I hope he gets to that I really feel bad about that show yeah but like that was how many years it goes between season one and two and I've thought about that every time someone's

been aggressive about the show I'm like he he saw all that and like he was so I talk so much about why to be respectful And then I'm like, oh, I just did the thing. Because they're people. And then Mike Coulter, I ran into at a grocery store. And we were talking and he's such a big dude just as a person. And we've got a mutual friend.

And I brought up the friend. And so there was a little bit more comfortability than just like got grocery store. But I remember like we were talking. And then when he went to say goodbye, he did the hand on shoulder clasp. He's like, great talking to him. And like the whole time I was like, fucking power man. Like that was such a presence to the dude. But he read the comics.

he was invested in the music he was invested in the journey he like to add everything at the showrunner so it was really funny with fin jones just being like we'll see man and then luke cage being like this is the data this is what i'm and then the the last of the people i met was christin ritter um who was at a place in the valley with an entire like bunch of biker dudes like she was with like eight bikers and i was like she's even cooler than jessica jones and i was actually too intimidated even say hi but it was really funny because like each of them felt like their defender so much because even like iron fist has this like Yeah, I'm just trying to get by, which isn't in the comics.

So I'm hoping they can fix the things to make it MCU-wise to make these actors. These actors did it before the MCU was as big as it was. I would love to see them get the same level of like rah-rah. Do you know what? Because a lot of people just focus on Daredevil. And that's what I want for each of that's why I bring these things up is each of them. If you run into Charlie Cox on the street, he's been called Daredevil 82 times that day. If you're running to Mike Coulter, Finn Jones, or Kristen Ritter, they're, they don't,

they don't get that that Marvel love like they're actors but I want them to feel like Marvel actors feel I thought Jessica Jones one of the greatest characters the MCU is done 100% but but each of those I want each of the actors to know that we love them that's what I'm trying to say I I would love for Jessica Jones to come back especially and I remember that's weird like I haven't talked about the defenders in years I remember the defenders being a bit of a disappointment right like the general reception was a was a bit of a disappointment I liked it because it was the most comicky thing like they did all the lighting where it was like in the color of their comic and like they did the like the giant ninja

fight like i like the defenders but nobody talks about it yeah i remember me i remember even i remember not being in love with it and being a little disappointed by it but i remember like the general reception people were kind were pretty disappointed by it it's i think it's a lot hard to do a big crossover season of television than it is to do the movie combination yeah i'm like oh my god you got to like take all these shows like hours of television of different ones into consideration. They're so ambitious. But you are right about when it comes to Finn Jones especially

because like everyone love Luke Cage in the first season. I remember I don't remember anything about the second season outside of the final few minutes. But the second season, I remember liking that. I don't remember the plot. Jessica Jones, their first season was masterpiece. Masterpiece. Masterpiece.

I really didn't like the second season. Third season came back better. Third season was better. Third season was a lot better. And Daredevil, I like all. the seasons for me Punisher season one to Punisher season two is my biggest so wow yeah season two became like generic action and not even a good version no yeah season two was like a different show i was like but season one is amongst the best for me i you knew season two of punisher was in

trouble when jigsaw comes back with a few scratches and he's like i'm so ugly you're one of the beautiful people on the planet you're still like incredibly you can still model for gq ben barns you're too and okay the scars seem like they add character to you yeah they You just have a cool backstory. Yeah, that's it. That's it. You're right. The fact that that happened to your face in the last season, and now you'll just look

like that is a miracle. I'm actually going to look up your plastic surgeon. It would be cool for it to come back. And that's the weird part, right? Because I think the crack that I made about recast, Iron Fist, I'm sure a lot of people probably have that crack. That's why I gave context that he was sad. I would love for him to get a second shot at it the way how hating Christensen has been

able to come back into the foray. Similar vibe dubs too. I would absolutely, I think they're a great comparison because of that. Like, Hayden Christensen was maligned. People did not like him in those prequels. I mean, I know those people talk about, like him right away. Well, there was a lot of people. We were 70.

Yeah, right? There was a lot of people who hated the shit out of this Darth Vader guy. And years later, the love came around for him. Yeah. And I haven't seen that love pop. It's not as popular Star Wars. I haven't seen a love pop up for Finn Jones. And I don't see that love for Mike Coulter or Kristen Britter as strong as it should be.

But I think if you have Daredevil back, you have Wilson Fiske back. I think if you do bring Jessica Jones back, it has to be Christian Redder. I think that's what the fans would expect. I think the same thing with Luke Cage. Better get some coffee. So I think you've got to get, you got to get Iron. If you're going to do Iron Fist, you've got John Berthall by, I guess I'm not sure. If you're going to do Iron Fist, I think it has to be Finn Jones.

I think one of them pops up in the show. If you're going to do Danny Reddy. Yeah, I think it's Jessica Jones. I think so, too. I feel like it would be Jessica. I think at least one of them pops up in Daredevil and that paves the way. that's our last time to shoot that shot we only we filmed one more time before dare double yeah so yeah that's my that's my bold prediction yeah then we'll just put that in the thumbnail

right away oh there we go we won't wait a day or two no we'll just click bait coy predicts jessica jones dare we just put her in every thumbnail yeah even if she's not in it even if we're not talking about it yeah we'll talk about the odyssey and then we'll come on here and we'll say why it's not clicked yeah yeah people love it and we'll lie jasmine was like are you guys going to talk about being anger at the internet again i was like probably I thought we were pretty well we weren't like pissed no no we are very like aware of the last weeks

yeah but I think we're just more comfortable in our own skin and we're not we're not like we must go on the defense no I'm more comfortable down but yeah but I think it's funny because I like the organic nature of the internet like call and responds do you do want to talk about the guys before I close that I want to talk about that all right okay I don't have much thoughts about it

it looks like a cool image and I'm there for Christopher Nolan yeah uh fair um it is a single image it is a Matt Damon as Odysseus. It doesn't do a whole lot. The image itself is awesome. Looking, the suit looks great. It is technically the more in the Odyssey itself.

He is described as wearing a helmet with tusks. This is a more traditional Roman war helmet. Roman war helmets are like the favorite thing of costume designers with that big broom top. Is he going for realistic? No, that's the, well, yeah, I think it's going for the general Roman archetype versus the Odyssey, which is a very specific helmet. I'm hoping he gets to evolve into the Odyssey helmet. Then this is all the Greek history nerd stuff.

I love the Odyssey. But what I thought was interesting was this movie is so hyped and so big that a single image has people talking about it to scale. But it's also so big that Universal accidentally copy wrote themselves. What do you mean? Like, you know the copyright strikes where they take down images on YouTube videos? Their own Twitter got a copyright strike for using the image of Matt Damon in the Odyssey. These studios. So literally the algorithm was like

Take it down and like then if you went to Universal's thing for a few hours it was a gray thing It's saying this image has been taken out to a copyright strike It's embarrassing. It's two things One embarrassing two I don't think we've had hype for a movie that wasn't based on a comic This big In In Ferret like like wicked maybe

But like the fact that Universal The image is so everywhere They're copyright striking an image even themselves Is how big this movie is going to be And I think that's really interesting because this is the oldest story The Odyssey is literally like one of the first stories. This is like making the ultimate comic book movie.

This is the biggest adaptation of the first story, and it's already causing copyright strikes from a single image. He's done historical movies, but his only period piece film was the prestige, right? Dunkirk. I mean, yes, those are like, those are a period. I think when I hear the word period piece, I think of something like what I see in the image of the Odyssey.

Oh, okay. You know, like Oppenheimer is a period piece. Right. Dunkirk is a period piece. Yeah, everything that isn't from now. Anything that is, I mean, yes. I'm sure there's a lot of people who would consider those. Yes, they are period.

They are period pieces, but in terms of like hundreds of years ago or thousands of years ago, prestige was the only one of like a completely different type of time period or even the language was very different. Yeah, like following memento, present day, inception, present day of the time, obviously Batman. Does Odyssey, I've never read the book, believe it or not, does it deal with time in some way? it takes place during a time it's not like time travel i appreciate that i don't know what you mean what do you mean does it involve all his movies deal with time in some way that as like a like a like an action yeah well i mean you you wouldn't say that with oppenheimer initially but then when you watch the execution it deals with the with before the bomb and after the bomb there's a lot of passing of time as being an impactful thing and prestige prestige has a weird element of dealing with

passage of time memento is obviously purely time And then, you know, 10 at this time, I wouldn't really call that with like, like, I think Nolan is the master at multiple things happening at once and cut an intercutting between. You see that in the dark night. You see it in the dark night rises when there's like an intensity and you're cutting to like several different plot lines. And like the montage of the Hans Zimmer music and shit. I think he is the master at crafting those scenes together. It'd be interesting if he used the poetry of Homer, which is like the actual the writing to play with time or like. sequence like you're describing sequencing it'd be cool if he did some like sequencing stuff that we've

never seen in the odyssey adapted is it fantastical yeah dude it's very it's like a cyclops and shit yeah okay and like they're they're shooting in practical i mean obviously not cyclops but like they built you know they don't know they don't know they shot a new practical ed jason but they built like the town and stuff like the trojan horse is actually like hundreds of feet tall that's they built like a hundreds of foot trojan horse nolan is the director who he's our new i mean james cameras alive it's like you go through eras right where he's like anything Steven Spielberg does it's going to be huge in Steven Spielberg and the James Cameron does

he still has that affect because he doesn't make that many movies but Nolan is that of our generation actually gang they are building a mechanical cyclops for this yeah really I'm sure they would be sweetened but like Jurassic Park style seeing that piece of news drop the other day yeah oh that's so cool

thank you I also like I want to commend sir Christopher Nolan he was knighted for using his blank check to make this story I think it's like after you make a billion dollars documentary type film it's insane what you can get away with i love that he's doing the first story and that's what will smith is not here that's my point that's like he won an oscar and he finally got the big trophy and he's like all right let's go bigger hancock too yeah no off an iver is from

alphid iver to odyssey is is a much it sounds like even a bigger more daunting challenge i can't even imagine trying to adapt the odyssey like this is i'm more excited for this than i am most things i mean imagine it spans a lot of time right yeah And, and also the cast is like, I love that everybody's like, Tom Holland's leading it. And I was like, he's not playing Odysseus. That also is a nice thing about the Matt Damon image. Like, that's Odysseus. Like, we know who's leading this thing now.

Well, it's like he can ask any actor to be a part of this. I'm sure anyone who gets into the Nolan crew is happy. Josh Hartnan in it? Hope so. I don't think he's been announced, but he was so good. It's my first thought. It was so good. You're like of all the Chris.

Is he part of the Nolan camp now? I want Guy Pearce back, dude. Guy Pearce hasn't worked with him. Yeah. Why isn't Tarantino work with Travolta? Yeah. There are some cases. Why did Scores say you never work with Ray Leota again?

There are things that I think about with these actors. You see them constantly coming back, but sometimes not. Sometimes I just don't. Especially when it's a lead like Guy Pearce, who's so good in that. That was like, I mean, I never saw his first one following. I never saw it. I haven't either. Yeah.

I don't know what character. We do have a number of confirmed castings for this movie, but it does not include. Who is the whole cast? What I have listed here is currently Tom Holland Zadaya, Mia Gauth, Elliot Page, Anne Hathaway, John Burnsville. I work to Elliot Page and Inception. Charlize Theron, Benny Safdi,

John Leguizamo, Hamesh Patel, Samantha Morton, Bill Irwin, Lupita Nyungo, Corey Hawkins, Will Yun Lee, and Nick E. Tarabay as well as Matt Damon. The other thing, too, is that he's so, what Nolan is great at doing is even if

you, he, his movies are hyped. every time. They're hyped up every time. And there's always an element that lives up to the hype, even if you're not in love with the story, the theater experience. He second and on. Exactly. No matter what you know, he's going to deliver the goods on the theater experience. I hope the arc light is open in time for the honesty. Yeah, like I've been thinking about what theaters I want to see the Odyssey yet. I'm that excited for the theatrical experience. I feel like Tenet is his best action scenes and I don't think that like the movie I don't feel like is that is definitely not my favorite Nolan movie as a movie it's not and the second time I watched it in universal I max I loved it

way more because I got the full experience I watched it for the first time at home no first I watched it I saw it in theaters okay and I didn't know it was in the pandemic I understand a goddamn thing I don't know what the hell I rented a theater that was my birthday I rented a theater during the pandemic to watch it oh that's because they were doing that for like negligible money to keep open. So it was awesome. I got to like 15 bucks a person have the whole theater for pandemic safety. It was awesome. When's last time I saw it? Then I haven't seen this in theaters. I'm afraid to watch it home. Man, if you watch that if you watch those action scenes again, I'm like, this is some of the most complicated ass shit ever and it's breathtaking. I saw it three

times in theaters. I just had like right away. I just haven't seen it home. I can't think of better action scenes. He's done. I want him to take bond for Amazon. I mean, the dark, the dark night freeway chasing is like an amazing. Yeah. Obviously. But I would still say the tenant, like the emotion in the dark night scene, like the tension of that and then going to the bike, it's like one of the best actions ever. But I think in terms of like something wholly original tenant really takes the hit. Yeah, I agree with that. And the buildup in Oppenheimer is emotionally strong, but I think the actual delivery of the action. And that's my point about the theatrical experience. Oppenheimer is just a dialogue heavy movie that's not reliant on crazy visuals. Yet you feel like it's a magical theatrical experience and worthy of watching.

three hours on IMAX even though it's just a drama. People just talking. Who else does that? No one does that. And now that you know you're going to get like violence and cool, you know, historical shit going on. Yeah, dude. A sword and sandals pick from Nolan. Yeah. And like he took the Batman on and it was like

he started the trend of how do we take this thing and make it feel real? Yeah. What's the realistic version of this? And now he sounds like he's going for that in some capacity for this one. I know it's just an image, but I think the Odyssey is somehow coming out next year. And that and then like that's going to be the biggest movie of next year i think matt damon's doing

some really interesting stuff what a great career i think he's doing some really interesting stuff right now the martian and intercellar being opposite roles that you think are the same like he's so fascinating amazing in oppenheimer too yeah amazing in opanheimer i'm at matt damon seems they still be having like a pretty like some of those actors is like still delivering he's on like a lifetime run like a robert redford career where he like and he's still good he might not be like the leading actor name that's going to sell like but for me tickets but you put him the right movie and he's still gonna kick so much ass. I'm so glad he's working with Ben Affleck so much again. I know they're really ever since post DC they're like we gotta let's just team up

well they did air together and they formed a production company together yeah yeah and there's another movie I haven't seen any of the shit if it doesn't see air is one of my favorite movies the last five years air is amazing I haven't seen it I have to watch and there's another one Ben Affleck just directed right that he's that name is yeah but do you know about what artist equity is it's not the same as their what was the Greenland project they were doing no project Greenlight got messy artist equity is they did a production company where

once the funding has been raised they put it towards the movie and you get your certain amount of pay but then everyone including like the gaffers the lighting guys everyone gets a cut of the film's profits so like people are like that's nice the guy on air was able to cut like $50,000

from the production budget by like being creative with how we frame things and certain things in air but then he got the back end profits since Air did so well and became the highest paid DP of that year because of the way the artist equity was split. So it's actually paying artists. Like I love everything about what Matt

and Ben had built. What I'm waiting for, here's where I would like to end it. When I saw that Dunkin' Donuts commercial. Dunkin's. Which Ben Affleck directed. Did he really? According to IMDB, I was trying to figure out what this Matt Damon movie is. That is going to

further support what I'm about to say. Why is Donnie Walberg not in the conversation to be a part of this whole band of Bostonian people? I want it so bad. As a Bostonian, I want the Walbergs, any of them, but especially Donnie. I feel like Donnie is for slept on so much. He's so funny. And like, the fact that he showed up at the guy was like, Donnie Wolber. He got out of Marvel post credit seat. Donnie Walper got like a pop. And I was like, it worked is Donnie Walbert? And exactly. I know Mark Wahlberg. is like the big one but donnie walbert to me is an underrated talent dude six cents so good that

was my introduction to him really i did not know of a donnie walberg new kids on the block for me yeah yeah i didn't follow it too the first thing i ever shot as like a flight i wanted to be a filmmaker the first thing ever shot was a shot for shot remake of good vibrations and then that funky bunch led to new kids in the block and like being from boston the walbergs are gods this dunking's ad is like the most boston thing i can imagine and the world gets it it's like We let them all into our joke. There's this NBC show. Oh, what was it called?

It starred Donnie Wahlberg. And I rarely watched NBC dramas when I was younger. And, uh, God, what was it? It had the guy from Forrest Gump. Boomtown. Boomtown. That's the one. Underrated show.

Boomtown. Donnie Walro's in. And, of course, the Saw franchise. Donnie Walberg's, Donnie Walbrook's the shit. 100%. And I wish he would, uh, I wish he was elevated more in this. And so the fact that Ben Affleck threw. him in there at the end of the donkeys are like

this mean we'll get Donnie Waltberg and fart of the mix now that commercial so much that I immediately watched your guy's reaction to it. Oh really? Like I never go like what did other people think? I literally finished a six minute commercial and I was like I would like it to be 12 minutes. And I watched you guys react to it.

It was so good. Oh man. Dunk Kings. Dunkin's baby. Can't have Dunkin' Donuts for another couple more months but I will go there. It did do a good job though I'd like it. It made me want to buy. They got rid of my favorite drink about five years ago

And I have since shifted my entire career goal To be famous enough to get a drink named after me So I can bring my favorite drink back Like it's that level of miss I think of this drink every day It's called the Dunkicino It was half hot chocolate half coffee Isn't that the Al Pacino drink

They spoofed it in Adam Sandler movie But it literally was half coffee half hot chocolate But it was blended in a machine together So if you do them separate it doesn't taste as good But they had it frozen and hot And I would drink it like every day before high school Dunkicino Dunkin' Donuts sponsor us, bring it back.

Don Cicino. I've never seen that movie. Isn't it good? I think El Pacino was really funny in it. All right. I think he was really funny. But then again, I saw when I was younger. Yeah, I'm always scared to go back and watch comedies from when I was in my teens.

John, what's the runtime on this? It is about an hour and a half. Perfect. I have a couple stray facts for you. Please. Robert Pattinson also confirmed for The Odyssey. That's right. Yeah.

And the Odyssey takes place over about 10 years. It's the poem itself is divided into 24 books. so I have a feeling there's plenty for him to cut around and be time he loves he loves messing with time I forgot Pattinson now if we could just put Donnie Walberg in the audience I agree with his channel is going to be up

he's the best Walberg how do we bring Walberg into any conversation I think his versatility is like freaking Donnie I love watching Mark Wahlberg sure I really do I like as I know what it's like to deal with being compared to a brother all right I really do when you're both like part of the same

profession i know the feeling of that and i don't want to tear down one to elevate the other that's not what i want to do i i okay how do i say this now that i just set myself up to look like a good guy by saying that uh how do i keep myself elevated while not disparaging yeah like with the thing but also don't it's going to sound like the exact opposite thing i'm trying to say I just think like Mark Wahlberg when he did boogie nights

that's when I felt like he is like this guy is an amazing talent he is an incredible actor and then he kind of does like variations of the tough guy that's why I loved him in Father Stu which is like a like a super Catholic movies called Father Stu

it's him and Mel Gibson and it's about a guy who it's a true story of a man who went from wanting to be like an actor just moved out here and then he found himself into the priesthood and Mark Wahlberg really committed to the role he gained a shit ton of weight the mark of committing to a role of the illus weight or gain weight and I thought he was incredible in that film and that's why I wanted to see flight risks and like it looks like he's having a fun time being some psychopath sure did you go see it I have not seen we should react we should react to it looks like I look I want to see it real

it looks like a fun movie and um but to me i felt like donnie walberg never lost the versatility whereas like it kind of makes sense to me because mark walberg became the epitome of that walberg he became a huge guy yeah he's a huge actor it's like the rock we're talking about exactly generally you've become typecast and you and you played your strengths of the roles so of course makes sense and i'm sure there's a bunch of mark walberg roles that perhaps i'm completely forgetting about because i like him in comedies like the daddy's home films the other guys I love them in the comedies. Four brothers.

So good. I haven't seen four brothers. Oh, it's good. But then again, it's like a tough guy role. Oh, so I haven't seen Invincible.

I haven't seen Invincible, dude. I guess there is some Mark Wahlberg. He's fantastic, man. Yeah. I love Marklebrick. But, yeah, but Donnie, I think for some reason,

he's kind of like the Luke to the Owen. You know? A hundred and great example. Because Luke Wilson has his own thing. It's not like Donnie Walberg's not working. Yeah. It's just why isn't he equal name, but as the versatile versus the movie star.

Exactly. Because there are actors, they're movie stars. They both are very important to the ecosystem. I want Darnie Walberg's name out there. Is there an example of siblings who work, but they don't work together a lot, but they're both like pretty much equals? Charlie Sheen and Amelia Westovetz. I think Charlie Sheen's exceptionally more famous than Amelia Westov as actor. That's true. That is true. You see what parents and children is fine. Jeremy London and Jason London. I didn't realize we're different people. Okay. They're twins. One of them's involved.

Is there a brother's dynamic that I'm like Owen Wilson Luke Wilson's really close but Owen Wilson's exceptionally more famous exceptionally yeah I think we all I think anyone could agree on that hmm it's a hard one to find it really is especially just off the dome like who are brothers a quick Google search the Wayans brothers actually I feel like a lot of the Wayans is they're pretty good at a good example of being pretty all right with each other being equal oh yeah I mean They're always together. I feel like the baldwins don't often...

Stephen is definitely more famous than Adam. Shirley MacLean and Warren Beatty were famous siblings. Specifically if you're brothers or sisters. The Arquettes, well, yeah. Yeah, Patricia. Because like Maggie and Jake seem to get along really well, but they get completely different roles. All the Scars Guard.

The Scarsars! That's the best. That is the example of the Scarsars. That's the one because they are two very different types of actors and they both get a lot of work and they're both loved. There's the jock and the theater kid energy. But Alexander Scars Guard, I like Big Little Lies. Is that the show he was on? Big Little Lies.

Not pretty little Lies is the other show. Big Little Lies is the HBO one, right? The woman Nicole came in and Reese Witherspoon. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was excellent in that. In Godzilla versus Kong, the first one, I think him as a scientist, surprisingly really believable. Northman, the Nosferatu. Robert Eggers with each of them.

Yeah, and that's crazy. I love that. He just swapped brothers. My favorite thing about that when I was watching Nosferatu, I'd start laughing at, you know, because Alexander Scars Guard is known as, you know, like this really sexy buff guy, and he gets the Northman where he gets to be nude and badass. And then he's like, I'm going to work with your brother now. We're going to come from and make up.

He's going to be frail and gross. You'll see him naked too, but. you're gonna be pretty you won't like it you won't like it's a complete opposite thing you also have Dakota and L fanning kate that's fair that's fair that's fair that's really good I think the scars guard still probably the best one another yeah I think scars guards the bar another great mark walburne movie shooter with Kate mara oh yeah yeah yeah that's a great one got to watch some walburne are still like part of the same category of the same category of Sometimes he's a badass with a football, and he's a badass with a gun, and then sometimes he's a badass detective.

Sometimes he's a badass trying to figure out what he's going to do next. That's true, yeah. What's what's Donnie Walberg doing now? I don't know. What's Don't get to you that? Blue Bloods. Oh, that show's been running for like 20 years. And he's got a new show coming up, I believe.

I don't know if he's the guy, but I believe it's called Boston Baby, Boston Boy, something like that. Boston Blue. I think John on them. He is the star. Danny Regan joins the Boston PD for. from the NYPD. I will promote Boston Blue. That sounds exciting.

All right, Donnie. You're welcome to the show anytime. Well, okay. So, I don't know, this is good stuff, man. I'm happy about that. I'm happy we came to this conclusion. I like John and there too.

And apparently John and Joan Cusack is another good double there. Yeah, they work both equally and a lot. But again, brother, sister. It's different when it's brother, brother, sister, sister. Because then you get like, you might, you have a chance of auditioning for same roles

and competing and then Mary Kate and Ashley. Benny and Joseph finds oh yeah we're talking about Boston they're both in the Dunkings and oh my god what I tell you up in case you won an Oscar and everything at a time when he was loved raf and Joseph finds I mean right Joseph is is it is Shakespeare in love so I mean like not his name no right he's he's out here he acts and then I just discovered through researching this that Beanie Feldstein and Jonah Hill are siblings is that crazy blows my brain because she basically played the Jonah Hill role in the Jonah in the Superbad like remake oh really

Okay, well, shit. Yeah, man, thanks, John, for begging to be the voice here. To be the-begging. What's Joe Rogan's guy's name? Jesse, no. Jamie? Jamie. John's the Jamie.

I like to think of myself as the Anderson from the old school love line. Oh, two cuts. We've got to get to Joe Rogan levels where we look very annoyed at John for not getting the information. Why wasn't that fast? I just said this and you don't have the information. That's the space bar yet. It's that thing you said about teleportation is it just like the internet here is so fast. And yet I'm like, I got to type this and it's got to load and then I have to open the page and I had get the info.

I have to scroll down, ask all the things at the top of the recipe. I don't care about where you had dinner. It's a good challenge. Thank you, John, for helping out here. Because, yeah, I found myself, like, I took off my Apple watch and I put my phone in airplane mode because I became aware of like, even if I'm not checking, I'm aware, like, if there's a buzz, like, am i missing something yeah there's news i'm distracted and i was like i don't want to have my laptop open so i think all the news broke before we started filming today was crazy for news yeah a lot of news we did it and we had our tangents this was a this is a fun one this might have been

my favorite one yeah nice feel good maybe not the most life you won the last one definitely wasn't but uh you know good enough life talked about coys uh coys uh name dropping problems shameless out here just didn't mention my wallbergs and my uh responses to last week it's a good podcast good podcast good podcast Yeah, this was fun. I love doing the show. Would you guys think? I don't know where I'm going to title this. We'll make it something, Click, Beatty.

Yeah. Is the Rock doomed? The Rock versus Will Smith. Hey, it's a bad. Whose career is more over? Yeah, that's really. Now I'm going to rebel against those people and be like, you know what? Everything's click.

Now we're going to go super negative just to piss you all. It's going to do more views. We're not those people. It wouldn't. It would if you just listen to the content versus looking at a title. Anyway, thank you guys so much for being here. If you made it this far, we're going to be at multi-house, which is taking place right here in this one room. Multi-con.

Multi-con. I mean, yeah, multi-con. All benefits go to the Los Angeles wildfire recovery. It only took me four weeks to remember to say that. And it's an exciting time. It's going to be over like, wow, there's a lot of, I don't want to say how many, but it's way more than I thought we could fit. Oh, yes. That number alarmed me.

as well. It works just going to be like really tight quarters. It's really nice to meet you. Like you can you just squeeze past you because I got to go to the panel now. Breathing your air. Breathing all your air. We're all going to be hovering in pods. Literally. The most beautiful space of fullness I'm about to

experience Saturday. It would be kind of cool to if I know we're going to be really busy that day because you have a panel, I have a panel. And then we got the real rejects panel. Yeah. If this is open if people were wanted to come in and it would be like, yeah, this would be pretty cool. That'd be dope.

Yeah. We're just a little guest spots. Yeah, yeah. 10 minutes each, put it in a compilation. It's freaking boring. I'm like, oh, my God. You people, I just don't know what we're doing. Are we filming the panels?

We're doing a Clickbait show right now. Yeah, come on. This show is called ClickBet. Yeah. We couldn't think of the name of the show. We're calling it ClickBank. I just discovered this afternoon that apparently everything, the entire con will be streamed from our YouTube. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I've learned this recently. I don't know why I haven't mentioned this publicly. I have to, I might have to go in tomorrow to help figure that out. I just asked. I didn't even know what I'm going to be filmed for a thing that's airing. Yeah, it's going to be live streamed on Real Rejects. Oh, that's exciting. But, you know, we want people to show up.

So it's, so now you know. So don't count on that stream. Yeah. I didn't say it because I want to make sure that we can pull it off first. That's true. Before I make some massive announcement and I'm like, sorry. We're not able to watch it now. So, so, yeah, that's why we put this two hours into this podcast.

That's when the announcement comes. If you've made it this far, you trust us. John just said he has to show up here for that. I'm like, yes, if we know it can work, gladly we will mention something. Well, from what I understand, they have the tech figured out and it's literally like, hey, we need to log in. That's what it usually sounds like. That's what they all say, John. And then the power goes out.

I, yeah, I had a miniature, just a whole experience inside my chest. And then I was like, you know what, one way or not. And then the studio floods, John. And the pressure is off of me in that case, because all I have to do is a rain. to get things connected to YouTube. For sure. I'm excited. Saturday.

Saturday, guys. Thank you so much. Thanks, Koi. Thanks, Sean. Thanks, Michael over there. Hey, buddy. Michael joined halfway through. We did it.

Did it. Just a hand for me. Thanks to preserve and thanks Multiehouse for letting us borrow this spot. See you guys.