The Reel Rejects - WOAH!! STRANGER THINGS Season 5 Episode 4 REVIEW!!!

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Starting point is 00:00:44 check us out at investingfix.com. We'd love to have you. You ready to do this, John? Ready to do this, Greg. Let's do it. oh boy oh interesting to end it on a hopeful note yeah all you once cliffhanger would be more like dower and i thought we were just going to end on the mission failing yeah and everything looking hopeless no it's is yeah there's a pretty exciting couple of setups yeah that was awesome that was great i loved that whole episode we get it easily the best one of the four And a lot of my qualms that I have with the first parts of one, two, and three, I feel like all paid off here. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:37 Compliments those. Well, now I get why this would be the kind of place to stop chapter one is like, okay, all right. Part one is fully formed. And yeah, now anything that we've been curious or nitpicking about, a lot of that stuff is addressed. Well, guys, Prepper. Thank you for adding down these highlights. I know you guys have been working your butts off. Thanks all for being here.

Starting point is 00:02:03 Hope we scan that barcode on screen. That's right. Greg B plugging. Hey, no sponsors this week. Just that. The Stranger Rejects. If you're here tuning in to the Apple and Spotify review, we just watched Volume 1 of Stranger Things 4.

Starting point is 00:02:20 Five. Strange Things 5. All kind of bleeding together. But all kinds of payoffs, I feel, are happening. This whole episode seemed to be about acceptance and watching, like, where they gave Will that, because he's been, this character seems to be the best when he's going through, like, victim hell. Yeah. And then when he's not, they don't really know what to do with his character, you know?

Starting point is 00:02:43 And to give him this moment at the end, I thought it was so awesome, especially following such a bleak moment with a great action scene. Like, those last 10, 15 minutes were very, very exciting moments. yeah you know well it's a cool bookend for the season itself because you start out on this flashback that gives you just like a smidge more context and you see him as a child like you know at least making an effort to fight back in the circumstance and now here he's like fully come into his power or at least you know tapped in the idea that that's in there yeah mike being the character who often instills the heart and it's cool to book to compliment it with season two because season two is when you learn how he could be the spy for you know he could be the spy or maybe there's a spy using um will and mike was the one empowering him saying like no you could actually use this to your advantage and it's also the season that had the whole thing with the burn happening and you learn that his mind's connected and his whole skin's like feeling on fire so they're bringing all that back all over again even

Starting point is 00:03:47 right down a vectna speech i feel of like i've been using you this whole time and for him to to do the flipperoo on it, not just another torturous thing, but then to the conclusion of what was pretty much set up in season two. I mean, of course, all the way back to season one, but it was set up in season two to pay that off. It's pretty beautiful to me. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, for Will, it's funny, you know, a lot of this comes probably, I would imagine, from feedback that they've gotten over time. And it's, it's just cool to see because Will, as of a lot of the work they've done on him this season and some of the stuff they started to establish with him in the past season like the way they're paying that stuff off has like elevated him to now one of my favorite

Starting point is 00:04:28 characters to watch and one of my favorite journeys across the whole show you know because there are times where yeah it doesn't feel as much like he's so important to the inciting of all of this yeah and yet it felt like for a while in the middle of the show yeah I didn't quite know exactly how to like involve him or engage him after that you know initial you know getting him back and all that stuff and hear like the performance i feel like it's great because you get all the upside down stuff you get all of his power and his you know connection into vekna and all that but you also have the you know side moments between him and robin and at least developing that and using that as you know something to drive the emotional just you know journey of him aside from all this so it feels

Starting point is 00:05:12 like he's a more dimensional character in a fully realized way this season which is really cool and it gives no shnapp a chance to actually demonstrate a range of his ability in a way that I think he's been nailing. And, yeah, just like, and earning all that in that last scene was, it's like, you know, you got to earn a badass moment for it to fully punch. And I love being able to get swept up in something like that. Like, it was so epic that I wasn't even really thinking about anything else.

Starting point is 00:05:39 I was kind of outside myself. Yeah. You know. Yeah, that was a beautiful moment. Yeah. And what they've been given him with Robin, like what you're talking about is, is something really empowering. for that character to have from a fellow homosexual well and it's cool because mike is always the guy who's giving the like great speech about like no no no you're more powerful than you realize it's so for for somebody else to be able to be in a unique position it's like will mike is able to empower will in terms of you know the mission and his courage and things like that but robin is able to like empower him to truly embrace his whole self yeah yeah because there's been a lot of if you look back through all of

Starting point is 00:06:20 stranger things from two and three and four will is usually seeking the validation from somewhere else externally it's usually from his friends or with his relationship with mike and to also not be treated like zombie boy or that there's something wrong with him either kid gloves everything with you yeah yeah so to let him have this is really great uh i love i love that a lot and for joyce to see that I thought was really you know kind of a powerful beat with all this sort of you know you can't run off you gotta stay safe and then him and robin rebelling and all that

Starting point is 00:06:58 this is the strongest veck this is the strongest will Mike and Joyce have been in like several seasons totally 100% by far yeah and and I mean too just the amount of like physical demand on them but everybody like it especially in an episode like this

Starting point is 00:07:13 you know there's a lot of stuff going on and yet like the main characters feel really plugged in even though you are in the midst of a whole bunch of chaos that involves other things. I thought like that oneer that we were geeking out over, like to center that again on them just trying

Starting point is 00:07:30 to not get clipped by all of this shit flying around. Really, I think they just always have a keen eye on grounding you into the character stuff even when they're doing quote, cool shit. Well, it's kind of an evolution of growth. And season four, when they attack the house in California,

Starting point is 00:07:46 that's what the FBI agents do. And they're guiding Mike. and Will and Jonathan. And they're doing a similar type of motif and on a much smaller scale. That was a pretty cool sequence. Tight quarters, yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:57 Which is impressive in like an opposite way. And now Mike's the one leading instead of being led in a sequence like that. And Mike's been a pretty cool leader for a lot of this last few episodes, actually. I've been liking a lot of the scenes has been giving and he established him as, they define him as the heart in season four.

Starting point is 00:08:14 And they've magnified that, I feel, to give him some true purpose when interacting with a lot of characters and he's been demonstrating a lot more skills of navigation and strategy back to the Dungeons and Dragon side that we've kind of lost of him in the last couple seasons.

Starting point is 00:08:30 He's really strategic. He's really helpful with that. Well, and I think it's clever and smart to do so much. I'm starting to see. I know one of our common complaints this season so far has been like, oh, it makes this season distinct

Starting point is 00:08:43 maybe compared to some of the other seasons in terms of motifs. And, you know, like every season has the this or that. that marks that era. And I feel like part of what marks this era is how much of, you know, a war movie inspiration there is.

Starting point is 00:08:57 There's that whole great escape, you know, kind of interlude. It's a great escape or is it the dirty dozen? Great escape. Great escape. Yeah, like that whole thing, I feel like maps well over what the kids already know from Dungeons and the Dragons

Starting point is 00:09:09 different, but, you know, still strategy-based. Or was it dirty doesn't. I'm not sure. It's one of those old classic war movies I need to watch before I die. I know Great Escape has the tunnels. So I would assume it's, I saw Great Escape when I was a child.

Starting point is 00:09:23 Yeah, I think they said greatest. That would make the most sense. Especially with the tunnel. Yeah. The tunnel is what I associate with Grace Cape. Yeah, yeah, that's got to be. But yeah, that, yeah, just as a map for what the kids already know and with these moments where we've seen them, you know, acting basically as like a little battalion. You know, someone's up in the crow's nest, keeping watch and relaying information.

Starting point is 00:09:44 And then you've got, you know, in this episode, you've got Lucas and Mike undergraying. ground doing the actual extraction like you know everything yeah gives people a station and a post and a and a purpose in a way that is really kind of smart and also makes sense with all the circumstances yeah that's a really that's a really good point because it is very mission heavy yeah this whole plans it's always plans that's been kind of been one of the things that i thought has been kind of hindering it because it's been just nothing it's primarily been missions yeah and plot and not and like some little breaks to have a character seen here or that in between a tiny bit of downtime, you know.

Starting point is 00:10:22 So some of that I thought was kind of hindering a little bit of the experience. But I think this episode kind of made the whole experience so far make a lot of sense, this particular one. Especially for the characters we've been talking about because Mike has primarily in the past couple seasons, been 11's boyfriend. And now he's barely interacted with her. And Joyce has been Hopper's interest. Yeah. Or she's going on. And then four is, I'm going to rescue Hopper.

Starting point is 00:10:48 And now she gets to be positioned back to how she was in primarily season one as like the mother figure. Yeah, they're the, I like that they have, you know, like this core group of cast members are here in Hawkins trying to help the people in Hawkins. And especially in this episode, the quarantine thing actually did feel like it was a part of life in Hawkins because of the camp. And then you have 11 and Hopper where they arguably are best served in the upside down doing upside downy things. And then you have Dustin and Steve and all them, you know, in a place where I think you've. got again they're separating everybody up in a way like they did in season four but this one has i feel like better placement of everybody and better uses of those combinations well funny though is they're setting up a lot with hopper he had the fake out death at the end of season three

Starting point is 00:11:35 he comes back so part of me is going do we really need to kill him off because we already kind of went through the whole grief of hopper and then we'd lose him again and that's how the show would end so it's a lot of it's been seeming like misleading death making me sometimes question like I guess they will but some part of me is making me go it sounds like it's just trying to do something

Starting point is 00:11:57 they're trying to bait me yeah it felt like bait like especially at the very end when he's like I got the dynamite and I'm going to off myself here I can't do that volume one it's ridiculous you can't do that with your arguably most popular adult lead

Starting point is 00:12:13 out of them all and so it looks like they're looking for something there and 11 when you look at all the seasons prior to this they're so 11 focused she is the main character it's in so much of the character journey she's on she gets very specific character journeys and weirdly i feel like hers has kind of not really been that strong in these last four episodes she's just been there to do 11 stuff but there hasn't really there seems like they're setting up something for her to experience but it's been very plot straightforward i'm just going to go find vecta and kick his ass you know that's just been all it's really been for her with with honestly some repetitive stuff that we've already we've kind of seen this with hopper and her before and it's nice to get the assurance and then seeing the growth but i feel like we've experienced a good amount of that I feel like we were already there with their characters and of the acceptance side because two is them learning to trust and accept but that's kind of like the arc of

Starting point is 00:13:21 season two is them getting to that point and in season three it's him learning how to let her be a teenage girl and he's struggling with just her having her life as a teenage girl and like hating Mike itself letting her have a life at all to then just the nuances of regular dad hood yeah how do I be how do I be a dad now and and then in this season it's I guess paying that off that's what I imagine the focus is is like now that out on the field together they can actually do this

Starting point is 00:13:48 like he's instead of but I feel like they did that in season two when he like actually takes her down to shut down the gate and stuff he's already working with her and a lot of this is about trusting again and stuff yeah it just feels like a little bit rehash is too harsh of a word

Starting point is 00:14:06 it just feels like familiar territory no I would agree I think the the hopper and Jane, he called her Jane. The Hopper 11 stuff is cool in its most immediate iterations and yeah, like as far as the dramatic themes

Starting point is 00:14:23 go. I am way like 11, it's weird, especially 11, I'll say Hopper for him because of a, they're both performing well, but what they're giving him to work with in the script just utilizes a bit more of that so, and you do have the constant question of like, is he ready to die?

Starting point is 00:14:39 Is he going to die? incidentally somehow here I feel like you would really suck if I don't I don't agree with him dying I feel like we we just went through a whole season of rescuing his ass I think it would be really bad if they kill them off and he's already made the

Starting point is 00:14:55 noble sacrifice at the end of season three and so yeah like because they've established just out in the world that everyone's like we're probably going to have to have a death toll this season because a lot of characters have made it in a way that you know we should probably start reamping the stake

Starting point is 00:15:11 by making them feel real by killing off some characters I'm like I think yeah Hopper I'm at the point where I'm like I have no idea anymore because it seems like

Starting point is 00:15:19 they want to foreshadow that and the more they do that I'm like well maybe they want us to think that because he's going to live and then somebody else you don't expect is going to die yeah I mean I would love to see him

Starting point is 00:15:28 make it to the end and yeah with 11 her last moments of this episode were the most kind of compelling to me they've been across the show but it's mostly just been them bickering in a battle of wills

Starting point is 00:15:39 between them will um so yeah i get the sense that with collie back eight uh you know interesting things lie ahead and whoever k is there's you know they didn't give us her full name for a reason so i'm sure whoever she is will be an interesting revelation too um but yeah i i feel like reserve judging too hard because i hope then that part two will have more interesting stuff for eleven to do but yeah it's the most anemic character plot so far is there anything in these last four episodes that alluded to eight's powers being used i thought it was one when they had the fake out of 11 so i thought like but then they made it very clear that there was just some

Starting point is 00:16:22 thing they did like double that i i still don't fully understand what happened in that episode i haven't went back and watched uh but i i thought that's what they were using eight there and i'm trying to like pinpoint because eight is the is the illusionist so i i don't know what other have there been like illusion moments i can't think of any illusion moments i wonder if we're going to get any sort of re contextualization of things that we've already seen or like because everything up till now feels pretty tangible and feels kind of way far beyond the reach of yeah i don't know what the reach is uh so yeah i'm very curious because it makes a lot of sense that they would have somebody you know from this program plugged into their sinister machine to create

Starting point is 00:17:08 this kryptonite uh and i liked you know like i was never really convinced that this any part of vectna was what they were hiding it makes sense no i was just like it can't be like i don't know it seems like a lot of things would be different if that was the case um but it is an exciting prospect and i'm glad you know we've all been sitting here going like are they ever will they when they gonna do it and i think it's definitely like a cool reveal for sure and it's uh it adds things i'm excited to or about and discover but uh i mean i looked up stuff about wrinkle and time in between three and four just because they kept referencing it and it is kind of interesting to see how they did vectna in season three four as a freddie kruger parallel and then you break down as

Starting point is 00:18:02 intentions more and it's more of a it wrinkle and time parallel because they're not You know, they're never subtle about what they're referencing. I was like, it's like this. Let me explain that reference we're making in great details. In case you haven't read the book. We haven't seen the movie or the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here it is.

Starting point is 00:18:20 So it is cool to see that. And yeah, so we got what, Dust it. I mean, Jonathan is still, you know, like, not that interesting. I mean, yeah. You got a time still. Jonathan's where Jonathan wants to propose, right? Just trying to save his relationship.

Starting point is 00:18:38 friendship and and Steve and Dustin are bickering because Dustin has a wall up and Steve is feeling rejected after trying to get through to him and feeling helpless I like Dustin and Steve but I think it's just because they're so appealing I don't care about the love triangle no it's that's kind of weak and I haven't done anything to make Jonathan interesting again he's more interesting here than he was in season three but they haven't really done anything still to it's like one and two he was like one of the stars yeah and

Starting point is 00:19:13 and now he he was like one of the leads and one of the most and one he was one of the most interesting characters and it seems like the buyer's characters they've had the hardest time keeping being interesting outside of will now they've got yeah they've got three quarters I mean or they've got two thirds

Starting point is 00:19:30 I should say because yeah like Joyce better this season and will better this season but yeah I mean he's still got several hours of television left hoping he's i mean you know it was cool in the earlier parts to watch him engaging with the radio stuff and all that but uh yeah he's not much of a not much of a unique thing for him to do so far but you know i like the whole maneuver of them in the car like you said coming into the nick of time but then also yeah kind of spiraling off into their own side of the adventure

Starting point is 00:20:00 and i'm sure that'll you know grow i'm excited for what that grows into that felt more like set up than payoff so you know i'm curious for them to get more interesting. Murray's a cartoon. Murray's a cartoon, but fun. I mean, they've been using him in very small doses this season. Which are fine, you know.

Starting point is 00:20:20 They made him cartoon in four. I mean, it was a complete cartoon in four. Yeah. You're like, a karate man in four. You're a broad sci-fi comedy with his stuff in four. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's the, okay, so we have that. And then all the Macs stuff.

Starting point is 00:20:36 The Max? Oh, my God. How about it's not fucking talking about. that yeah max and holly that's a cool pair up i mean whoever i still know the actor's name plays holly she's incredible yeah she's gonna a great job and uh believe it's the same actor it's really cool to have her here and and everything with max is very smart of a of a cool place to keep her in some type of prison you know i thought there i thought there might be a look because it was about what i what i think is about what we expect right you know like her mind is just

Starting point is 00:21:08 trapped here in some way and she has to get out but i imagine there's more to this cave of wonders that she's in because like seeing max was cool but then they're exploring some memories like the fact that because she's at that school that might not have been um henry's mind at school that could have been one of the souls he's taken could be i mean yeah at this point it's like i don't kind of rule anything out it seems like the theme has been their all henry memories but i wouldn't put it past them because of this thing being a hive mind and he's got some of these kids like you know these are recent kids but you don't know who else has been affected by this and assimilated all encompassingly over time so i mean it's an interesting question i like this had so many things that you could

Starting point is 00:21:54 sit there and kind of wonder about and even with max you know is this is this really her is this some kind of trick is this you know a mislead of some variety i feel like it is i feel like it definitely could be i mean it's it's it's it's so all so contrasted and idyllic and I feel like it would be a massive oversight on Vecna Zend it does well and they have that whole thing about like he can't come in

Starting point is 00:22:18 the cave and he knows she's terrified and he knows she's there so he could just be like posted up out here have you know demigorgans or whatever just posted up out here so like I don't know yeah he must be at minimum using kind of acknowledging this as a variable but probably using it to his advantage

Starting point is 00:22:34 somehow I wonder what the whole he won't come in here thing is about if it's like one happy memory out of, you know, all of his terrible memories and he's just so consumed with anger that it's just too much to go back to a happy memory or something. Or if it's, I don't know, all a trick. Yeah, I have no clue. But if he can't, I don't know, I don't feel like he wouldn't be able to, he would be in such a position where he can't. I mean, there's got to be a psychological reason to your point of why he can't go into that cave beyond just a physical barrier. I just keep going back to

Starting point is 00:23:06 I think he let he intentionally told Holly that with the intention that he knew that you would go out there. I think that was very purposeful and the whole point of it is to bait Max back out or something like that. It seems to that's what we do with Vecna.

Starting point is 00:23:23 With Vecna we you know you watch a plan happen and then they go back like there's my plans all time and we flashback to all of it and you're like oh yeah and it's like the other kids you don't know if he brought them to this house first necessarily he could have just plugged them

Starting point is 00:23:39 right into his little goo machine so like you know having it be somebody max has met and maybe knows a little bit you know does support your theory i mean he he says don't go out there and then the very next scene for her she goes out yeah and it's like if you were in that position and this is why would you just say stay in the house why would you even establish the forest you know if you don't want her to go there this is his world and if max is out there spying i'm sure in some way he can feel that she's around yeah he's got it's all in his mind palace it seems like so you know it seems like he would have ultimate view over every omnipotent view over everything and uh i wonder maybe if if this whatever this memory is is like the last time he felt to the way he describes

Starting point is 00:24:21 kids at the end like i don't know the last place he was at where he really felt you know scared and worthless or whatever else oh yeah that's a good point you know because he's using that his motivation and clearly he must have some personal you know experience with that feeling and then you know being a guy who worked with kids so much seems to have a kid obsession of some kind and he was certainly altered as a kid as we saw so

Starting point is 00:24:46 curious there's also like yeah there's an interesting like never landish quality to it and I wonder about the significance of that contrast whether it is like I never trust in a world like this when shit looks bright and beautiful yeah of course it seems like there's always

Starting point is 00:25:02 something wrong with that. Like, I don't even know if I should buy that. These are his legitimate, just happy memories or if there's some other construct. I was happy to see Sadie Sink. That's what makes me happy. Yeah. She's a brilliant actress. And just skiming here.

Starting point is 00:25:17 Derek was fun. Derek was a nice addition. Very fun. Who would have thought. Really enjoyed Derek. I thought he was going to be annoying as shit, and he was really fun. He was actually a fun character to behold in here. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:29 What else do we got? What else did we got? Okay, so we have, oh, God, I just had a thought here. That guy's dead. Nothing much with Lucas. I like the timeline on the Lucas thing where we saw that bit with him in the hospital, and then that's paid off timeline-wise. Like, oh, damn, she almost just got out, like, an episode of two go.

Starting point is 00:25:48 Yeah. Well, they, that was a thing in four, when they would bring a lot of attention whenever. She had to, like, stop the track and have to repeat it. Yeah. I remember those. days i had a tape deck where okay k i'm a little disappointed in the usage of lindle hamilton so far they're to and you know it's like she's the main big actor they've gotten to be a new addition to this season and so far they've made her about as cliches this is extremely generic

Starting point is 00:26:23 and the material she's given doesn't really give her much something new to bring other than you're a female bad guy of this type of of character yeah she's fun to watch and that's about where that well the novelty probably comes for us the fact that she's linda hamilton and we're aware but what if you don't know it's linda hamilton like i feel like you got to rise above that you know like i didn't know matthew modyne um who matthew moodyne this like when i think of matthew moddine i think of this show and a lot of other people view matthie moddine and other stuff yeah like i watch dart and i rise like matthew mottin's in this oh my god matthew bade's like this whole movie

Starting point is 00:26:58 yeah like i didn't even that's how little i ever know of Matthew O'Don, but I think Matthew this guy was huge in the Hades. You know, I didn't watch Matt about you. But I think of Paul, what's his last name? Riser. Paul Riser. I think Paul Riser is like brilliant here, you know.

Starting point is 00:27:13 And there's other actors. I can't pull it. Carrie Elwis. Carrie Elwis. You know, Carrie Elwis, they gave him a lot of like fun conniving personality. Like he's very memorable. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:25 As like goofy as he is, he's very memorable. And a distinct character with a distinct personality. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And something where it really feels like we're taking advantage. This actor is showing up to play, and we're taking advantage of that. Whereas this is mostly feels like it's kind of writing on what you associate with her already. And what I meant earlier is like, I like watching her partly just, yeah, it's Linda Hamilton.

Starting point is 00:27:51 But like, you know, the flavor of the performance, fun to watch. But I totally agree. Like in the writing, it's a, it's a stock character. And I have to. the only reason I'm still kind of intrigued is because again that name diversion seemed to be pointed so I'm sure she's somebody

Starting point is 00:28:09 you know interesting but yeah like for a selling point of the season based on these four episodes that's her involvement is definitely like a let down because you want to see her you know really unfurl into the world of the fabric of the show yeah you know and that's not really happening

Starting point is 00:28:28 so far I like Dechna's redesigned. It's creepy. Like, he's skinnier. But when you get the close-up on the details, it feels like you don't want to, like, touch him. Last time you didn't want to touch him because he was, like, icky and gross and, like, slimy.

Starting point is 00:28:43 Yeah. You're like, ew. Well, I'll wipe it off. Whereas in this time, you're like, oh, it's going to cut me. It's like a thorn. Yeah, he's got, like, a little teeth and nails growing out of all different places. And even when he raises his hand up and you can see,

Starting point is 00:28:56 it's almost like gnarled tree roots. Like, he's not one, like, solid thing anymore. He's just this massive twisted up hate vines. I mean, you see all the, yeah, exactly. It's really it's really icky. I like his redesign. And I mean, the visual effects

Starting point is 00:29:12 top notch, you know, there's a lot more demigorganized like demigorgon on crack this time. Like, you know, not just one or two we're going to get a shit ton this time. And they're going to move all, you know, high speed jerkyo like. Yeah, yeah. Make them look really fast and vicious. Music, stellar. Great music

Starting point is 00:29:28 all around. Standout music. music this episode everything's been uh this is really good i'm really happy with the i'm really happy with volume one so far i know i was i was kind of not sure where i was going to land but after this episode it recontextualizes and elevates a lot of uh one through three i'm sure for a lot of you guys you're already like no i was already loving it that's cool good for you uh to me it took me a little bit of time to get to this point where i'm at but um i really loved it i'm excited for uh part two oh yeah same like sorry fam can't celebrate christmas with you Netflix Santa Claus brought my gift

Starting point is 00:30:03 I got to watch TV With John today Gotta go be on camera No that's good I'm happy I'm happy I said I wanted it to be like Oh fuck to me

Starting point is 00:30:14 Yeah I would rather I'm happy that I'm excited And I'm happy that they've laid down Some good framework And a nice surprise from like that was the biggest surprise But they did with Will No no it was not on my bingo card at all

Starting point is 00:30:27 The well-earned season didn't think about that they would do anything interesting with him to that degree i thought we just get an answer of why specifically him it crossed my mind early in this episode i think maybe before but yeah i was like oh if you're so tapped in could you gain control i didn't think it would be volume one yeah i didn't think it would be like such a epic freaking tank down yeah and like you said yeah he does the full-on you know henry creole kill yeah he got it he did 11 and and he did 11 and veckna kill yeah and he got his nosebleed moment yeah exactly epic this feels so goofy as an actor to do shit like that

Starting point is 00:31:05 when it doesn't work like when Millie Bob Brown to do it but their powers weren't working oh yeah like I'm supposed to feel so good like you look like a fool when it doesn't work like in season 4 when she does that to the bullies but her power's not back yet oh it is embarrassing yeah but as an actor you're like I he must feel so goofy whatever you do this shit reminds me of that

Starting point is 00:31:25 Gen B thing about like why you always want to use your hands oh i get it points guide you guys you guide you i think it makes sense yeah no it's it makes sense is just the instinctual thing to do but yeah nothing is worse than being like oh here it comes yeah nope there's like an actor on set you must have me i think actors were going to see i get so underappreciated because you got to work with like ridiculous things do a lot of imagining yeah that power that avatar documentary was a nice reminder of that for those movies. God, you got to imagine an old thing. For Kate Winslet, she had to

Starting point is 00:32:01 after off that dying whale, it was just the metal grid with the whole noodle. It was like, wow, that's some real talent. I'm like, you're in the least, like, they're not even trying to let you, they're trying to hope you out here. You're looking at the set that they built,

Starting point is 00:32:15 and you're like, you are in the least, like, imagination inspiring player. It was this industrial tank with a bunch of machinery, and yet you've got to imagine this gorgeous utopia of nature, yeah. A lot of times actors say, yeah, you know, it's like it's hard to get any character. But when I put on the costume, they're not even in a costume.

Starting point is 00:32:32 They're just, yeah, they're just a weird. A bocams suit with a camera right in the face. Yeah. And I never thought not to make this an avatar, they would because they have those rigs. It's like you can't even quite do your head. You have to look past the actor. You got to look past and you have to make sure not to hit your cameras together. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:32:50 On your head. Looking those characters are thick. But yeah, I, that's why I haven't, I don't want to look up how they, it pulls me out if I know too much. of behind-the-scenes machinations so i'm curious to see how they do vekna but i haven't bothered to see any behind-the-scenes footage of it until it's all done yeah not so it's all done otherwise i'm going to be aware of it while i'm watching it yeah well it's nice to be dazzled with like a great effect we know is that vectna's largely mostly cg but you know it's always nice when they come back yeah there's always nice and they come back with like a gorgeous

Starting point is 00:33:19 looking effect i mean they challenge himself this time because there are times where it looks very cgii to like oh that looks totally like a computer but then Then when it counts on the close-ups, what you really have to buy it. Like if it's on the close-ups and it looks like a computer, you've got a real problem on your hands. But sometimes in the wides,

Starting point is 00:33:36 it would look CG. Yeah. But no, this looks great. All right, guys, what did you think about, volume one? Just think about this episode. What are your theories for season five, volume two?

Starting point is 00:33:46 Leave your thoughts down below. Keep a lookout for Andrew and Tara's reacts. Thanks, John for being here. Happy Thanksgiving, buddy. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you guys. If you're watching this after Thanksgiving, good on you. Happy you're here, and we'll see you guys soon. Buy a tea.

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