The Reel Rejects - WONKA (2023) MOVIE REVIEW!!!

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

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Where it all began. Wonka begins is what they call it. It's a gritty origin story. John, please. What did you think? I enjoyed this movie overall, I would say, quite a good amount. I thought this was rather lovely. I was trepidacious a little bit, you know? Like the song.

Yeah, absolutely. A little trepidation going in because obviously the legacy of the books, the legacy of the Gene Wilder movie, the goat status of Johnny Depp. You know, there's just a lot of baggage going into something like this, and it's hard to capture true magic a second time. And while this might not be like, you know, a classic in the same way,

you know, this worked past a good amount of any, like, you know, preliminary cynicism or skepticism I might have had. Like, there are ways in which at times, yeah, like, there are moments where you're like, oh, like, I can feel them reaching for the weird. But a good amount of time, like, I thought they got to the weird and the whimsy and stuff like that. Like, it could be weirder in some aspects.

it could be more whimsical, but I think we had a very similar experience in that the more it went on, the more I was just kind of, you know, swallowed up in its good nature and it's fun and it's hijinks. And, I mean, you know, coming from having seen the two Paddington movies, I 100% understand why they got Paul King to do this because this does feel very Paddington-esque in terms of what the adventure is, how it is cast, you know, having these notable actors, you know, show up to be these bumbling villains and stuff like that and the kind of sweet and and compassionate wrap-ups that a lot of things get um so yeah like not maybe like a slam slam dunk but i came out of or at least i'm sitting here now in the afterglow quite uh quite satisfied and uh feeling rather you know uplifted and light you know

like in terms of of a singing voice you know i feel like a lot of people like timothy chalemy i think does a fine job, a nice job, you know, with the songs. And being that it's a movie, like, I'm cool with that. You know, if this was, like, Broadway, I would have, like, a greater set of demands for what the vocals have to be. But, but, yeah,

for what this is, and for everybody they got together and the charisma of the cast, I quite enjoyed myself. What did you think, sir? I am of similar mind, I suppose, yeah. I heard that people, like, love this movie.

before watching it. I didn't really hear much of the negativity around, like the, not the negativity, but the mixed bag side of things. I heard an equal amount of that. Like, I heard just as many people say, like, I was surprised at how much I loved this.

And then other people would be like, eh, it's a cynical kind of rehash. It's a bunch of the same stuff, and you won't remember the music in a day and a half. It's like I heard a good amount of both. I think as a family, as a family movie, it is a really solid family movie.

It's a really solid, good time. And I think that it sort of reminds me of that time when Disney was doing like live action sequels, even though it's not a sequel, but live action sequels to like the Mary Poppins movie and the Christopher Robin. Definitely. Where they're like, greed is bad, you know. That's like the message. That's the message of this movie in a lot of ways too.

Great is bad. you know and i i love that message from any movie studio with any of their movies especially a studio like wb yeah with their recent practices any big movie studio that wants to tell me that i i love love hearing it from them it is bad and i hope this movie made serious profit off of it and paid people the minimum we needed to pay them it in order to get it done uh but but the voice behind this one i prefer over those movies I thought it was fun and it grew on me as it went

and the first like 20 to 30 minutes I was questioning like am I really going to enjoy this movie and weirdly it wasn't really the musical numbers or anything of that nature it was more when there was just scenes and there was this heavy amount of instrumental music that I thought was kind of in contradiction

with the editing and pacing and the like just the overall direction I thought like the music was kind of the instrumentals during scene work were feeling forced to the point where I was like, the music is really trying to tell me how to feel about this, but it's not quite lining up with the way this movie is actually being edited. So it felt like in contradiction with itself. And maybe it's just something that like my brain would subjectively latch on to that your average movie going audience would not really give a shit about, but I gave a shit about it.

And as it went, it was around the musical number of the three bad guys, the chocolate cartel and Keegan Michael Key, when things started to jive better for me. I started really vibe with the film itself. And, you know, Willie Wonka and the little girl, noodles that are in the whole time, noodle, noodle, noodle. And, like, their chemistry, I thought was really good. And it wasn't like a wink at the audience of, hey, Willie Wonka in an orphan. even though that's I'm sure what the inception was of that like pair him up with an orphan you know and who probably has greater keys to a bigger fortune and so I really I really like their chemistry a lot in the fact that they really made her more of the heart like her stories more of the heart again

kind of doing a Charlie in the chocolate factory kind of story but without doing a Charlie in the chocolate factory kind of story yeah and you know the exploration of London I thought was fun although they made in London people kind of small Like, we're kind of like a small little, like, town square, you know? Mm-hmm. You know, because you spend time in, like, one central area. It feels like when you go to Harry Potterland at Universal Studios. Like, it's not a real land. It's like, this is a little shopping center.

In those few scenes where they cut to that wide shot of the coast, you realize, like, oh, that's right. We're in like a whole country here, whereas, yeah, we mostly spend time in the washhouse in, like, the, you know, shopping square of the grand gourmet or whatever that thing is called and then the cathedral and then when they go to the library at the end i was like oh oh there are like other places around and i had a i had difficulty getting on board with uh timothy salomeys and like i haven't seen too many timothy salome movies i've been like calling by your name seen as work on us and l and uh i can't I mean, it's a performance. And, yeah, I was there on, dude, there's definitely stuff of me.

Lady Bird, blah, blah, blah. There's a list. I haven't seen, like, a lot of his other movies. And I'm not like a Timothy Chalamey, a hit her, and I liked him and everything I've seen him in. And I've only seen, I saw Charlie and Chalk Factory when it came out, the Giant Eap one. I saw when it came out, don't really remember it. And I saw Willie Wonka so much to the point that I wasn't. sure what the beats were when i when i watched i really love that willie wonka movie and i and i knew

i knew you can't go in expecting that or or or something of that kind and uh so i was really i was i was really open mind going into this but it there was something about timothy shallame in the beginning that was really challenging for me where i thought some of his scene work was really good but it was when he was kind of going for like the bigger more eccentric uh emotions when he kind of go loud right i felt like he was trying to hit notes i don't mean that in a singing musical sense i mean just in a performative sense he would try to hit notes and it felt like he was acting but i kind of felt that way about the whole movie at that uh up that not the whole movie but like by that point in the film within that first half hour the whole movie was sort of acting that it was trying

to be you know uh we need to be weird so let's just go like let's let's do weird things but it never said like it seemed like it was coming from the heart Yeah. To do weird, wild, and whimsical, I think you need to embrace like a spirit and like a physical rhythm of the movie that a movie in this position doesn't have the time to embody. Because you've got to like kind of luxuriate and let those things unfold. Whereas this movie has to move and it's like two hours long, which it doesn't, it didn't really like drag or feel overlong to me. But at the same time, yeah, it's got to keep things moving and it's got to kind of move at a clockwork. I think there is, I think that's kind of the essence of the Wonka aesthetic, but also the trickiness to nail is you have to make it move like clockwork, but you also have to like allow yourself to lean into the weirdness and like let that guide the pace and the tone sometimes. And there are times when I don't think they could fully do that.

No. And with Timothy Shalami, yeah, it's like I liked his performance and I thought he was quite charming. Like he won me over with his general charisma. And it's like I thought he got stronger as he went. It was literally like probably after the half hour mark. Yeah. I was like, oh, I am on board for this guy.

Yeah, and I kept getting this feeling of like, you know, oh, okay, this is, I almost felt like I was watching like some Broadway show where it's like you're seeing a different cast and like, oh, this guy's stepping into the lead role now. How's he do? And, and I thought that it's, yeah, it's that odd thing of I don't fully get the complete range of that, you know, whoever you want to compare to. but you know just like that general like this guy's kooky and whimsy like that definitely took a while to build up for me and i think there were times where it did achieve that his performance did achieve that but it's uh not like i don't know when you're watching not to i'm not gonna hold him up to jean wilder too much because a lot here worked for me and i and he charmed me certainly uh but but yeah it's like there's a when you're watching jean wilder there's like a magic where you're like this guy just like is this guy versus like yeah i'm watching timothy shallow may jump into a role that's a little broader than I'm used to seeing him and that's fun

and I like the moments where he achieves it but he's not always like I'm like oh man this unlocked like a whole new realm of his talent that I can't wait to see more like you know

I'd be happy for him to take more weird roles but it wasn't like the revelation of like oh man he had all this craziness inside of it you know yeah well I mean the Willy Wonka

at that point in that movie is a seasoned Willy Wonka he's also a lot more there's a lot more destitute to the guy he's isolated yeah like no one's like seen or heard from him

years you know yeah is and it's more of it a mysterious allure he doesn't come to the film till wait later so the direction and approach the storytelling for that story of willie wonka lends itself to a different type of perspective the audience will have of him you know and more to play into where he's like we're starting this off with willie wonka so we got to make him more relatable we got to make him

a little bit more leading man classic in a way and a little bit more safe I think this movie plays it safe it's a really safe film and like I said it's like a family film it's fun there's musical numbers that yeah I'm probably not really gonna remember but when they're when they're playing out

I think it's enjoyable I think the musical numbers are very enjoyable I think the Keegan Michael key bit of him getting fatter is really funny actually and I think the whole supporting cast is really strong lush production designs throughout very much like you can

feel like the aesthetics to this they had a lot of fun piecing all this together and overall it is an enjoyable experience and i wouldn't quite categorize it as like a very moving film for me other than it always had a fun entertainment enjoyable time it's very sweet yeah no it's like a sweet family film but yet um you know the only thing i would say as i'm trying to like not compare it because i i know what that door opens up because then it automatically makes people think that all i was doing was comparing it when i really didn't even have the other movie on my mind the entire time no it just it's like that's just the easiest thing to kind of use as an example of how they made it work because they're trying to ultimately achieve similar emotional responses

that the original I would say I don't know I haven't read the books so the original movie at least was trying to have you achieve so sometimes my brain when talking about it might go to what that original film did that I thought they succeeded at where they didn't and here's where the breaking nexus point for me, I think, really is, is that as much production as I went into this, as great as the costumes were, I felt like this was artificial the whole time. Whereas I thought, like, they captured,

even though the other one is really fantastical, I believed it. It was tangible. It's an older film. So it's like much older. And they had to build so much. Yeah. Whereas here I did it.

It's not like disingenuous. Like the movie's heart is in the right place the whole time, I think. And its intent and motives, I think, are all in the right place. And like I would not call this movie insincere. I wouldn't say that. I would say that its effort is more at the forefront than it. then it's where they wanted to land, you know, like you could feel kind of them trying. And the other one, I was, I thought, like, weirdly didn't feel like artificial to me at all.

Like, it didn't feel fake to me. I'm not talking just that the chocolate, like the world of it felt real. From the first half with this world that, like, is like, who's Willy Wonka? and the London that it inhabits all that felt as fantastic as it is and as weird as it is when they're like all these people are sleeping in the bed like look how freaking poor we are you know I was tangible and to me I didn't feel that it was tangible I was aware that it was a I could see all they were doing you know yeah you can see the the big shiny Hollywood productionness and the boots we got to move to to keep this on you know a test audience quota to boil it down it weirdly did not feel lived in despite all of its efforts to achieve that and that was the barrier that it held for me to truly feel connected to it in spite of the fact that I know that I had a really fun time watching it and that I could

appreciate everything that was here yeah uh there was an element where i did not fully it's like going on a date and you're like you're a really nice person and i really i really like you and we could be friends but i don't think we have the chemistry you know that's how i felt with this movie was like i had a really nice time getting to know you but i don't think we're going to see each other again. Yeah, yeah. I enjoyed my time here. This is very pleasant,

but I'm not moved in the way I would like to be. I don't feel the sparks. Yeah, and I can sort of see that because, like, beyond the vibe, because, you know, like, Raul Dahl isn't necessarily, and I think the original Gene Wilder

movie certainly encompasses this. The Johnny Depp one very much leans into the fact that, you know, what I've heard, if I can just try to make a quick assessment, what I've heard, sorry to cut you off is that

the Tim Burden one is more faithful outside of Johnny Debt Yeah yeah yeah Whereas And I feel like

Gene Wilder was probably closer To how Wonka is In at least my recollection of the book Because he does have this Here it's dark and weird And twist Yeah, Ronald Doll's writing

Is wry and twisted And you know A heartfelt at times and fun at times and whimsical in its own way. So, like, this certainly encompasses some of that. But I would agree, and I think that's the troublesome thing about, about, like, a Mary Poppins, too, or coming back to something like this, is that, you know, you have to aim for greatness, even if you're not being as presumptuous as to assume that you will achieve

it. And so, yeah, if you look at that original Wonka movie, you have just a more palpable sense of, like, it tugs your heartstrings at times, and then when you get the real cathartial catharsis by the end you know like it is cathartic and there is like heart swell there and the stuff that's twisted like is actually pretty twisted and that whole like tunnel scene is kind of scary and weird and so yeah it's like the movie this movie i feel like flirts with all those tones to some degree or another doesn't really ever go to an extent that's fully kind of down one of those rabbit holes perhaps suffice or save like the more heartfelt elements but i i guess i would

would agree is like despite the fact they have all the means to do the craziest most imaginative stuff with this, I think that the movie magic is a bit muddled in the fact that yeah, there's certain things you can only do with CGI, but a lot of the stuff that they're trying to do here you could do with sets with real chocolate if they wanted to. And so I feel like there is an element of movie magic that that first film has that they might have done better to, a bit more of here because it is a story about believing in magic partly and you know there are already like whimsical chocolates that do slightly more directly magical things than are presented in the in my recollection of the original story than are presented in the movie you get that one bit where they're like flying up and they have to burp their way down but even that in that movie feels a bit more grounded than it does here and so you Yeah, I feel like that doesn't hurt because, again, there's great design work. But knowing that it's all CG, it just kind of, yeah, there's something that doesn't click as, you know, cannelly about the movie magic of that.

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And I'm sure there was a lot in... Like, I'm sure they built a lot of cool sets and stuff that when you watch it behind the scenes. And I think some of that appreciation for it or the... Again, I keep coming back to the word connection. or the connection to those elements gets lost in other things that are not real. So, you know, it's like that thing where, like, five nights of Freddy's, they're like, we built all these, except you can't quite tell because there's a whole lot of other CGI that makes it all just kind of like CGI.

And so, yeah, you have that quality. And I don't know exactly what would bridge the gap there. Because, like, again, like, this is a movie filled with things, filled with good work. and filled with things that do work for what they are intending to do. It just, yeah, it's like there's just an excess layer of magic on top of that that feels like it could have been a little better served by something like this. And I mean, I feel like it's conscientious for the most part in terms of what they decided to do with the story

and how they build this ensemble and how they borrow things from the original story and from other sort of Raldol-esque works to amalgamate all of this. But at the same time, yeah, it's like I don't really feel like for a movie, the tricky thing is like you don't want to give too much of a backstory to your character such as this because obviously they need to maintain some level of mystique or whatever. But at the same time, I feel like we could have gotten, I don't know, maybe like a little more personal with Willie in some way, shape, or form. I liked all the stuff with his mom.

But, you know, like once we're moving, there's so many parts and stuff like that, there's just so much happening. and I think about, like I liked, again, I liked the experience of watching this quite a bit, but I would still probably in the Paul King catalog rank it below the other two Paddingtons, because, again, while he is kind of the perfect director as based off of those as business cards, those movies, I think, do clinch a little bit more of that magic and a little bit more of that heart swell that you want maybe from something like this. Because this has all like the madcapness and the fun of seeing this wide,

cast there are a whole bunch of great comedic actors and dramatic actors you know playing big characters on display and so like yeah i can't fault this movie for effort whatsoever but it is yeah it is just like that little extra true sense of wildness and true sense of we brought magic to life yeah and i think they shied away from the depth of willie wonka uh as the character sure and like there's a lot of ladder latitude to play with there because he is kind of like to doctor in a way he is like you know he can be mercurial he can be very whimsical and dreamy and then he can be you know twisted send kids off to their death well i think they were constantly uh on the verge of really going more to the and that that usually i mean can come in the form of how

uh i'm not talking like uh you know see more of his backstory it's more watching how he reacts to certain scenes you know yeah yeah yeah seeing his character come out through him feigning rage towards Charlie in the first movie you know is or there's also like a bit of a mind while he's like joyful there's also like a sadness to him you know what I mean like he's multi he feels like multifaceted

yeah and here I felt like Timothy Shalame was a little more and maybe that's the writing in the direction was a little more focused on you know the the quirkiness with you know

being a little sad about some stuff sure yeah but again it's like none of those flavors go as vivid as they could yeah so that's what i mean by how i think they played it a little more safe yeah they had more to gamble with here they got the times we live in now how they make movies yeah now this is a blockbuster property yeah that we got refraint choices you know there's there's there's elements there that i'm also aware of that i'm like do i really fault the movie or was there some at the end of day it is a Warner zones or maybe there's a studio shitters that I don't know about or maybe this is the

the picture that they wanted to tell wholeheartedly either way you know at the end of the day they wanted to just make an acceptable family film everyone could go enjoy and here's some tunes and appreciate the candy while it's on display but for for my tastes yeah no I very much like I enjoyed it, but I probably don't really care to revisit it at the same time anytime soon, at least.

I probably imagine I'm not really going to think about this movie, honestly. So that's, again, that's just my opinion. But I like, I overall, I liked it, but moving on to a different person. Sure. I feel weird because it's like, for me, I'm like, I like, I like this more than I thought I would. I don't love it, though. It's the same thing. It's like, I would be happy to watch this again. And it's like a movie that would be like, oh, hey, like take this home to the family or something like that. Because again, there were ways in which it surprised me with how much it pulled me in or made me enjoy it. But yeah, like, it's still kind of burdened with having to play as widely as it has to play and be the kind of caliber filmmaking movie that it has to be. And it panned out for them. It did pan out for them. And I mean, like, again, this could have gone much worse. The only thing. that I think the umpalumpa bit was a little funny to me because like in the advertising I would thought that like Hugh Grant would be like a very featured player but he's kind of

got those two scenes or two or three scenes and he kind of exists as like a he's presented as I mean the umpalumpas are like the most whimsical part almost or or among the more whimsical parts and he's mostly like a plot mechanic plus you know a couple of fun little bits. I can feel some of the course correction they wanted to do. Sure. Did they... Problematic sides of the umpulumpus.

You treat them, right? You know, you can feel some of that. Yeah. Like, no, it was they wanting to be here. Yeah, he was exiled by his own people. And then they went into business together. He didn't just kidnap them and bring here. He didn't just go rip them from their homeland.

He's actually a really smart, capable guy. Yeah, he was just a good business man. probably attracted the other umpalumpus with opportunity. And if he kind of becomes Willie Wonka's best friend in the year. Yeah, yeah. This is completely unproblematic. But Hugh Grant has that thing, you know, where I see him in interviews and he kind of seems like an asshole, but I see him in movies and that charm works on me.

So even talking about working on this, it seemed like it was a real cantankerous experience for the guy, you know. But watching him here, I think you, I actually weirdly, I enjoyed him. Sure. It's that Hugh Grant charm. I enjoyed him quite a lot. He's playing Hugh Grant as an oompa-lumpa. God, I'll watch Paddington, too. Watch Paddington, too.

I mean, I haven't seen any of this fantasy movies. So I like him here, and I think he's very fun. But, yeah, I got really no qualms with everything sometimes looks fucking weird. Sometimes his mouth movements look real, real funky. It could have looked way worse. But it could have looked way worse. All of this could have been a train wreck. and like everything is pretty good.

It could have been a noisy mess. Yeah, yeah. Like everything is at least pretty good. And I feel like even just Timothy Chalemay at the lead is sort of like a good metaphor for everything. Because part of you is like, yeah, this really looks the part. And it's kind of getting there and it's really throwing itself into this. I don't know if it's necessarily like really got the pipes, you know, for it.

Or is really like pulling the full range of all the colors. But, you know, pretty good. pretty solid, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I could, I've become much more aware, especially since Sweeney Todd and being in the camp, when that came out, was like, I like Johnny Depp's singing performance. And like here, I feel like it's a bit less distracting, but it is also too, like, I like that

they threw down for song and dance and stuff like that. And I thought his vocal performance was solid, but it is that thing of like, okay, like, I could imagine what this would sound like with someone who can like really nail these songs. Well, the difference with Sweeney. is Sweeney Todd, is Sweeney Todd, the character that Demon Barber... A Fleet Street? Yes.

He has a lot of emotional depth. So when he is seen, he, while not a singer that lives up to the theater, he is able to still bring the emotion. Yes. And that saves a lot of the song and experience. And hence why a lot of people were still singing the songs when Johnny DeW came out and did it. You said. Because there's an emotion there, whereas the, especially the new songs here, they're not really written for emotional thrust.

They're written for a sound. They're written for a soundtrack. Yeah. They're written for the tone and flavor this scene needs right now. Yeah, yeah. Because it's like double the musical numbers than like the original movie, too. it was like not it's a full-blown musical you know a certain point i was like oh it was like every other scene in a musical but then it stops uh and then they start reserving that but it was a point where i was

like i guess this is like a non-stop musical whereas the other one is not that you know yeah totally um and and uh and so that's why i think like i weirdly feel like timothy shallame might actually be a better singer than johnny dev but the performance of the singing doesn't register as strong or make as much of an impact because the song is given to him don't require as much of that emotion to be in there to carry as like a dialogue or a scene. Yeah. So it leaves that gap of like, oh, then an amazing voice could fill some of this in. He's doing like a fine.

It's one of those where I don't want to be like, oh, he sucked. Yeah. He did a fine job. That was fine. Especially for someone like me who's not as attuned to catching the ear and the notes. Yeah. My ears, I don't have, I'm not a good, I can't sing. And so when I hear this, I'm like, oh, yeah, for my ears, he's carrying the tunes, for sure.

He's good. He's good. He's really good. But for someone who, like, really sings, I'm sure when I'm funny. I got to that point in my life where I can hear her. For me, I'm like, oh, that's good to me. But I could also imagine there's theater people, people who actually really commit their time to singing. We're like, oh, man, that could have been a lot better, you know. It's the power. It's like he can carry the tune. Like, there's certain. auto tune employed this didn't feel like one of the more odd like you know you listen to a lot

of the Disney stuff now and it is heavily auto tuned which is a whole other conversation that drives me nuts this felt a bit more natural and it's certainly yeah it's like I appreciated that I could get the sense for his voice and mostly it's just about like having a little bit of that extra power where it counts you know that extra

flourish of vibrato or whatever it is expressing expressivity expression itism expresso espresso wanka chocolates yeah probably on the last point

this did not make like I was watching that other wanka movie and I was like god damn I need some like the whole time oh that opening

credit scene alone where they're just showing like layers of chocolate being poured over like wafers and shit yeah but this one I don't really make chocolate like how it's turn off

yeah you watch Charlie in the in the OG one bite into that whipple scrumptious and you're like oh my God, I need one. And this one, you're like, I don't know. Like, they don't, especially there's a lot of, like, fake chocolate that looks gross.

I don't begrudge them to designs here. Like, the chocolate rivers and shit looks so gross here. That's always, like, that looks gross, you know? Sure. I don't begrudge them to the designs, but it is a funny motif to me throughout the movie where you do have these chocolates that just don't look like chocolates whatsoever. So, and then they're flying around and all that shit. So, like, it's...

And also the people's response to the magic of the chocolates, I think, actually weirdly takes away the magic. You need the juxtaposition. You need the scary side of the magic. Beyond the scary side. Like, when people are flying at first, it's just like, ooh, cool. You know? As opposed to, like, what is this wonder of the world? And the cop busts in and he's like, oh, just a couple people flying around.

And I'm like, this is a place that has a daydreaming tax, which is a whimsical flourish that makes sense to me. me and then them rushing in and being like, this is totally normal, is not a whimsical flourish that makes sense to me. And that to me was kind of a telling point of the magic might not feel like magic. There needs to be contrast. You need to have, yeah, exactly. That's my point. You need the contrast. Yeah. You need to have some kind of like they only, especially when you go to the first, like the story I imagine of the first of the first liwanka's, you know, like all the do is like buy chocolate and eat it. It's like magical shit they're selling on the shelves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like And the stuff that is, like, sort of magical or sci-fi is, like, is grounded enough.

It's like the everlasting gobstopper that you can suck forever and it never goes away. That's fine. It's a sci-fi thing, but it's not literally flying, like a flying piece of chocolate. Well, I mean, even without that movie, even out the original story, I would still have the same, like, well, here's what works against the magic is the fact of the people are not, it's like in a horror movie. You know, you need your main characters to be scared. Otherwise, we're not going to be scared. Same, likewise here, if the world is not responding to it like it's magic that they're witnessing for the first time, then no one, then we're not going to feel like I'm watching magic. Well, and that's what also got me confused when they had the whole Yeti tears thing and they like spiked the batch of chocolates because I was like, okay, so are these just, I mean, I get that they exist on the planet in this universe, but I'm like, I thought kind of the whole allure of Willy Wonka was that he brings with him these sort of magical, whimsical,

flourish is not that just anybody has Yeti tears around that they can spite like, why don't you all have crazy sci-fi chocolates? Yeah. Why are the rest of your chocolates just normal chocolates? You know, that don't have magic property. Yeah. So yeah, to have like some kind of panic or whatever, like that whole scene is treated like a joke and it's a callback because they're doing the whole thing of like, oh, instead of burp,

you've got a fart to get down and and all that kind of gets smeared in just like, oh, you know, it's a fun, wacky thing where it should be like, these three guys, you could add that motivation to the three chocolatiers of the chocolate cartel by having them be a little bit like, what is this, you know, alchemy that this guy,

not only is he threatening our business, but also like, what was this we just, you know, witnessed and were, you know, literally affected by? I don't know, but guys, what did you guys think? I give it a 6.9. Okay, sure. I'll give it like a 7.3. It's weird. I feel like intellectually we feel the same way. And, and maybe, I don't know. The more we talked about it, though, it went down. Okay. I was more like a seven and a half. Then we talked about it. And I was like, that's a little over for me.

Sure, sure, sure. That's a six. That was like a seven and a half. It's got like a 99,000 percent. Somewhere between seven and a seven and a half. It's not a unpopular opinion, even though we, we liked it. We fell squarely. We'd like it. We fell squarely. in the middle of the two camps. We didn't like it enough. Yeah. We don't accept this as the new definitive Wonka enough. We're just being contrarians on purpose. That's right. Contrary.

Because we love dealing with that. Yes. And then being characterized as people who only ever think that particular way. Yeah, we love it. We love it so much. Anyway, leave your thoughts down below on Wonka. Subscribe, click that bell,

and let's patron of the day shout out this bad boy. Adelia Chamberlain, Adelia, we are going to change the lyrics of Delia's gone. Oh no. To, and I don't actually know what this is about. Oh, good.

I've definitely heard the song before. It's by Johnny Cash. Yes. And we're going to discover together of instead of Delia, went into Adelia. See what we did? Here we go. Okay.

Adelia. Oh, Adelia. Adelia all my life. If I hadn't shot more Adelia, yes. I'd have had her for my wife. Oh, no. Adelia's gone.

One more round. Adelia's gone. He's shot more than once. I went up to Memphis or in Nebraska, wherever you're from. He's definitely Nebraska. And I met Adelia there. Found her in her parlor. and tie her to her chair.

Excellent. Adelia's gone. One more round. Adelia's gone. What is happening in this song? How many times does you shoot her? She was low down and trifling, and she was cold and mean. Kind of evil make me want to grab my submachine.

What? Adelia's gone. He's going to hit you with the chopper Adelia. Run. Adelaia's gone. First time I. I shot her. I shot her in the side.

What is it? Hard to watch her suffer. But with the second shot, she died. It's about your evil twin. Adelia's gone. One more round. A dealia's gone. Pour one out.

But jailer old jailer. Jailer, I can't sleep. You get your comeuppins now. Because all around my bedside, I heard the patter of Adelia's feet. Haunting him in the. the afterlife. Adelia's gone. One more round. Adelia's gone.

Throwing back. So if you're a woman's devilish, you can let her run. Or you can bring her down and do... Oh my God. Yes, Johnny. Go, Johnny. Go. Go, Johnny. Adelae is gone.

One more round. Adelia is gone. Dealia is gone. One more round Adelia's gone Now at your funeral I'm going to sing that In honor of you

And confuse the hell Out of your entire family I've never heard this song before I think this is perfect I always thought it was about a horse Until I read the lyrics It could be Maybe it's just like a bad horse

Yeah yeah yeah It's like a devilish Devilish brood mare Or something like that But you know Clearly this was inspired by like the opposite traits of you. I hope you're doing well with D.Lia and I hope you recover from all the gunshot.

Yes. We love you. Stay safe out there.