The Reel Rejects - YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN Episode 3, 4, & 5 REVIEW!! Marvel Studios

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Starting point is 00:01:29 more on them in just a bit let's dive into your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man episode three four and five back to back review it at the end much love kiss the Spider-Man I do like that as showing

Starting point is 00:01:44 how people do get lured into the gangs too yeah even if you don't really want it that's really good oh man that was a lot of show who's the voice of Dr. Rock love the show hate the release model the show

Starting point is 00:01:59 Oh, it's Hugh Dancy as Dr. Octavius. Okay. Interesting. Who? He's on Hannibal. He's the main guy who's like, main guy who's like, yeah. He's the main guy who's not Mads Mikkelson

Starting point is 00:02:13 who's like tracking him down. I thought he would have made a Grace Bruce Banner. Sure. Well, good call. Well, let's talk about the three episodes, three, four, and five that we just watched. I personally, I'll be very brief. I don't want to go to each of you guys.

Starting point is 00:02:27 I think this is doing an incredible job. referencing the comics, referencing old shows, referencing movies, while also building its own mythology. I love that they're bringing in Civil War. As Greg pointed out, the timing is apt. But it is the other side where he's idolizing cap and that tying into even the costume stuff. I love them using deep cut things like Dusk Prodigy.

Starting point is 00:02:47 The Hornet suit, I never thought I'd see an animation, much less referenced here. I think they're doing a really beautiful job making, like comic nerds, be surprised, even escalating from the first two episodes. the first episodes, I kept talking about how interesting it was that they would subvert expectations and the further they dove away

Starting point is 00:03:03 the better it made the show and it feels more and more like what if, what if was good. And I'm really, really enjoying the way the animation makes things feel cinematic. I'm really enjoying the way the writing feels authentic to Spider-Man, but it's an honorary piece of the MCU.

Starting point is 00:03:19 It's literally doing, I don't like this about the MCU, let's go this way. And I think the MCU Spider-Man absolutely works a lot of the time. But I am bothered by the Iron Spider suit, them acknowledging he doesn't eat all the tech. I am bothered by the fact that it becomes like a bit of a, let's have these cameos and they go, like, be your own hero. They've done a really good job acknowledging. And now it's, we get the best of both.

Starting point is 00:03:40 Like, we get to have the MCU Spider-Man, which is delightful. We get to have something that feels like a different take on the comic, which is delightful, but still exists MCU parallel. This show's great. The only thing I don't like is that it's released in chunks because I just watched three in a row. I would have loved to have talked about episode three. No one's going to. I would have talked about episode four. No one's going to.

Starting point is 00:04:00 People are going to talk about episodes three, four, and five. And that sucks for the people that put years of their life into this, that it's going to be this one lump thing. This show will be talked about for four weeks, and then things will come out and we will forget it because people have no attention. This could have been 10 weeks of enjoying Spider-Man. Instead, it'll be a flash in the pan at the start of the year.

Starting point is 00:04:18 I hope we can look back on this year and have this be a shining light of great comic adaptation. Instead, I'm afraid it'll be, remember surviving January oh yeah spider man came out and that is a shame Greg what did you think um that's a really dark world uh yeah that is true now you're absolutely right i read the internet today Greg and now I'm in a mood I mean I believe you I think that is what will ultimately happen sadly show deserves better oh we're taking January back boys I mean there's pros

Starting point is 00:04:48 in February in February there's pros in constant I mean it's like I think they're trying to find that happy medium of releasing like they're not releasing all that there's released all at once that would really be screwed you know if you're talking about for a day then yeah at least now it's talked about four times now it's talks about for four weeks and I guess sometimes with these release models they don't look at what the actual content is that they're providing like what is happening in the episode itself well it warrant just being one episode alone because there's been shows before where it does feel like, oh, yeah, a release model like this is perfect

Starting point is 00:05:24 because you can actually, you do feel like you need like two to three episodes to really feel like you got something truly substantial. And so maybe that was part of the decision making. Each of these is so substantial. Yeah, but each individual episode is substantial enough where you can't do it. But I do think that part of the trajectory is part of the impact,

Starting point is 00:05:46 I think is specifically has to do with more with like the Lonnie character. I feel like that actually works in the three episode tandem so that way you get this like clear arc of where Lonnie is headed. That's where I feel like the three episode work. But for most of it

Starting point is 00:06:01 though, I would agree with you that. Because the first episode was what? You know, Dr. Strange showed No, no, sorry, of this block. Of this block. Episode three. I have to think to find the answer and that is when Norman seduces Spider-Man.

Starting point is 00:06:17 And that could have been a conversation. for a week yeah absolutely that's what i mean like we i totally the fact that we're like oh right what was that and then four was that the new villains that cool duo five was all the costumes yeah like that would have been way more exciting to have a week of like i want to make my like if you like this read this video and i feel like even content creators can't discuss it to scale because it's just going to be a block i agree and that sucks for marketing because our job effectively is to market real artists like we make content they make art our content allows this art to get a voice if our content is so truncated

Starting point is 00:06:48 that they don't even get to get their voice out there because they're squeezing it all out it is I just we've ruined our John well the death of art

Starting point is 00:06:57 aside I just interrupted Greg and let John talk I was like you know what I mean I just respond out of the way boys

Starting point is 00:07:03 Aaron who do you think this is when I lead a show when I'm in a bad mood and I lead a show no one speaks Greg I'm sorry please finish

Starting point is 00:07:15 it's fine I like the show. It's a good show. I love the show. I really do love the show. I like what I love is the thing I will, okay, so that way we're not just, because I feel like all of us could talk about a billion things that happen in this show. I'll focus on the way they subvert while they're doing two things.

Starting point is 00:07:40 They're being like a comic book adaptation show and also being an else worlds for the Tom Holland Spider-Man. right and the real driving point is of uh where the where the where you shift onto a different highway is with norman osborne and everything they're doing with norman osborne i think is incredible because at first you're watching the first episode and you're like yeah he's got something's freaking norman osborne isn't he he he's up to something then after a while you stop playing that record in your head and you're just getting into like i forgot about oh yeah he's he's supposed to be like the bad guy. He's supposed to be Norman Osborne, the Green Goblin. And that's

Starting point is 00:08:20 smart to say, while he's seducing Spider-Man, he's seducing the audience, right? Yeah. Maybe seducing is not the right word, but while he's getting us that's, yeah, he's seducing the teenager. He's wooing him. He's courting. Yeah, he's courting him. Bought him a lot of nice clothes. Well, while he's doing that,

Starting point is 00:08:38 it's happening with us as well, where you they want you to forget that he's supposed to be Green Goblin at some point that he's supposed to do something villainous. um it is it's even at the point where i'm going maybe they won't do it you know i i highly doubt they will but but maybe they they will he will become green goblin then to take auto octavius as well and you know you just came off of the movies where they got them back like norman osborne is came back he's green goblin um in the version of willem

Starting point is 00:09:06 defoe then you had alpha melina i think you just had the spider man two game uh where we're in the spider man one game it was a version of auto octavius where he was similar to the Aframalina version where you were really endeared to the character so when they're doing this thing of common book adaptation and then sometimes subverting things where you change it to a woman or whatever

Starting point is 00:09:27 they also do some things that are extremely comic accurate like looking at Otto Octavius he looks exactly like the comic book whereas like they do differences with other characters and I think the splicing they're doing between being an Elseworld's MCU show while being a comic book adaptation and having a self-awareness and never feels like they're throwing shots at some of the criticism that was dished out towards some of the Tom Holland Spider-Man ones.

Starting point is 00:09:56 Like it never feels like they're turning to the audience of being like, here's what they did wrong and here's what we're doing right. So I like the voice of the show a lot. There is one thing that after six, no, how many episodes? Five. After five episodes that I do have a concern. A genuine concern. I guess I'll just say it now to get it out of the way, is that I find I'm really connected to a lot of the characters.

Starting point is 00:10:24 I'm not super connected to Peter Parker weirdly enough. I feel like I'm connected to Peter Parker because he's Peter Parker because he's Spider-Man. But the writing around other characters is kind of way more compelling. Like Lonnie is like so much more compelling than Peter in this story. Like his struggle and journey, all those things that make Peter Parker, Peter, I'm not saying, like, do the Peter Parker shit, it's, well, kind of. I'm just not as, like, rooted to, connected to, like, whatever he has to overcome or whatever he, whatever growth journey he has to go on, you know? Sometimes I find myself more connected to, oh my God, what's the friend, Nico?

Starting point is 00:11:03 Yeah, sometimes I find myself more connected to Nico, what she's going through in her heart, you know? So, like, he's hitting all the, like, the Peter Parker mannerisms, you know, the quips. I love the stuff of Spider-Man with the upgrades, the suits, the webbing, everything about it, like, action-wise. But in terms of, like, the character, it's a little two-dimensional for me right now. And it does, whereas other people feel like they supersede just being an animated show. I don't know if you guys get what I'm going with. Oh, no, totally, yeah. Yeah, so that's my one.

Starting point is 00:11:34 It was we're halfway through, and I'm like, I'm not really, like, emotionally on board. As much as I'm loving it and it's a Spider-Man show, the Peter Parker, struggle I'm not super they're taking away a lot of the struggle it is because they're giving it to everyone else his character is the constant and a changing world of complexity complexities and people's emotions yeah exactly

Starting point is 00:11:54 one it seems like yeah the dropping in of Spider-Man to all this is kind of having an effect on every it's weird it's like I can entertain it as like an interesting way to keep the same qualities whilst flipping the levels however I think there's a fair argument to be made for the fact that it's your friendly

Starting point is 00:12:09 neighborhood Spider-Man and it's like Like, well, if we have seen Peter go through a lot of the same beats over time, you could come up with fresh beats, though. And I think that's hard. And I'm still, I imagine they will, one would hope. But he's, yeah, it's like the most interesting Peter stuff in these three episodes is like seeing little glimpses of Uncle Ben and his life. Like, it's a lot of other people things. He's fun in games with Peter. He's fun.

Starting point is 00:12:34 I'd say he's really fun. But the hardship is a big part of what I think makes us all connected to Spider-Man. it is and it's weird because like part of me is like I'm so grateful that he got to actually go to the movie with Nico yeah because that's unique but even still there's like a little bit of that well I brought along Harry and that was part of the plan but like you know it's weird I like yeah I'm curious I hope the show at its end or at least at the end of the season will pay that concern off but at least I guess one upside of it is like oh it's nice to see him win a low stakes thing for once yeah Yeah, I agree with all your points, and I'm glad I let you talk and it interrupts you like I'm thinking about doing. John, what are you talking about? No, I mean, I echo most everything you guys have said. And, yeah, I mean, these three episodes seem like they, it's weird.

Starting point is 00:13:24 You can see the functionality for Lonnie as well as for just like the laying of the table of like transitioning from Norman into Harry and having that whole thing kind of laid out for you now. I guess the thing I would add to all this is just I really, especially expressing some trepidation. rounding the animation last time, I think this chunk of episodes we watched had a really, it kept pulling me into these really fun, really nice choices they would make that would put you in a POV or, you know, kind of arrest you with a visually evocative choice, whether it be like an angle shift or pulling out of the comic book frames or using the comic book frames like in the first episode for that like passage of time as Peter's head goes into a spiral when it's like, oh man, he knows what, what am I going to do? You know, all the racing thoughts that come out of

Starting point is 00:14:11 that and and yeah using that for both action but also moments where it's like oh yeah Lonnie's just looking and now we're in his POV talking to Pearl and now we get to be endeared to this moment with her like just yeah there are these great little flirt or Norman getting scared at the computer startled when Peter shows up like little I feel like those are things you don't have to take the time effort and care to do and you could still have a fun bouncy show and like those things feel like I feel like in animation sometimes you can lose the director to the animation, the animators. But like this feels like, I like, again, I don't always love the way Marvel animation has used CG to emulate what is not trying to look

Starting point is 00:14:55 like it's CG. But here I think it's a really nice blend. And again, the direction of where and how to use the animation's been really nice. The editing has been really nice. And they're using a lot of their parallels in really vital ways to just like keep you engaged and in the momentum and in the sort of you know frenzy of all these things that are happening and uh yeah like i am very joyous to behold something like this that is so quality and that does seem to have like a really sharp eye for like how do we twist some things how do we pay homage to the past in a way that so if i didn't know all four of those suits it would still be great fun to kind of behold these what ifs uh and so yeah it again has that it's continuing to have that thing where it's

Starting point is 00:15:37 like no matter what level of spider man aficionado you are it seems like this can play to you and it's really rich with flavor and rich with heart and two even little flips like I liked having that moment it's like you said with Norman Osborne you're like not even thinking about it to a point where you're like well maybe they just won't do that this season and he'll just be fine and maybe I was thinking about you know too it's like with Norman the way they're playing him now maybe it will be the kind of thing where it's less of the harsh turn into villainy or less of like the oh this is my secret motivation and more just like eventually the shadow side being pushed out and not properly assimilated

Starting point is 00:16:12 and it taking over and that just being like a more emotionally complex possibility. And I love that I can just entertain that idea while watching like a fun Spider-Man cartoon. You know, so yeah, I mean, with some trepidations aside, like still a banger. Like, you know, these

Starting point is 00:16:28 are good problems to have as far as I'm concerned. Much like Spectacular Spider-Man, it is keeping Norman so interesting just like he is in the comics. That makes me happy. To the biggest spectacular Spider-Man fan I know. Aaron, what do you think of the show? I think it's great. I'm having a lot of fun with it. It's the best Spider-Man thing we've seen on TV since the spectacular Spider-Man like freaking 15 years ago. But I think I want to talk

Starting point is 00:16:49 about a couple of your points. I guess all of what you guys have discussed. But the thing that comes to mind first is kind of what Greg is saying about Spider-Man himself. Now, I think because the show has such a grasp on the world and such a love for Spider-Man, I think it has a lot of great character around it really encapsulates the themes of Spider-Man very well but because they've done this this thing that they've done with Spider-Man

Starting point is 00:17:17 recently where they like kind of make him like not dopey but like adorable like but kind of a dork like I guess adorcable they give him that Hugh Grant like like the flustered energy yeah yeah he's super flustered

Starting point is 00:17:31 and I think something that only one of the movies captured thus far out of like the different franchises of the different mediums is the fact that Peter Parker does have like a little bit of a temper to him. And now, I would have liked to see some of that explored. I think that kind of takes away from some of his, um,

Starting point is 00:17:47 his altruistic ultimate goodness all the time. Because I think with being a person, there comes layers, you know, we're all complicated. We're all lasagnas of people. And in a, in a kind of a weird comparison,

Starting point is 00:17:59 I will say that from the fact that we had him lose Uncle Ben before he became Spider-Man or even got his powers, in a weird way kind of reminds me of, the Batman in the sense that if you compare something like Batman begins to that Batman, the difference between those Bruce Wayne's is the fact that one of them got to experience the killer of his parents being killed, while the other one has no idea who did it. And I think that ultimately changes the course in which how they operate as heroes. And I think that I read something that this, the writer intended that rather than him having the

Starting point is 00:18:37 with great power comes great responsibility happened to him when his uncle died. These are the lessons that were instilled in him in this entire life. So he's already good primed to be hero, which I feel like, I don't know. It's great that he's already that guy,

Starting point is 00:18:51 but I feel like in turn with that makes him like a little bit less interesting as a person, which is why the world around him is so enriching. But also to that point, we're also just five episodes in. I know they've already renewed the show for, what, three seasons?

Starting point is 00:19:07 So which gives us, hopefully, what I would imagine, room for us to grow with is Peter Parker, room for him to become flawed over time. And they're starting this Spider-Man off with this thing of, you know, his thing is with great power comes great responsibility. And we haven't heard those lines yet in the show. And it's interesting, starting the second, third episodes with him already meeting Norman Osborne, having an adult take some of that responsibility off of his hands because not all of the, that power is entirely. in his hands. He literally has like a big brother figure watching over him. And I hope the arc of this season is to get to the same point there were MCU Peter got to by becoming the ultimate Spider-Man and being independent by the time he gets to the red suit, the red and blue suit. And I love the fact that his red and blue suit is inspired by his love of Captain America.

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Starting point is 00:22:57 Run your game, Reject Nation. Exactly. Wow, and you got all that, all that like civil war. war and like placement in the timeline stuff as of these episodes you know these these little nods to like it's not quite the MCU but it's a version of it you know or it's a version of these events yeah and that stuff's fun that that it's it's great having a peter parker and an emceu adjacent world in a role he's more fit to play where he's all these things big than life figures are happening around him but he's not directly involved with it all the time

Starting point is 00:23:28 because he's not a like a first string avenger he's like he's the little guy he's the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. He doesn't need to be involved with Avenger-level conflict. He just looks at it from a smaller guy's point of view, which is something that's great. I appreciate getting that different lens into something that's larger than life. Now, I'm curious as to where this Norman Osborne falls in that conflict, because he has a picture of Captain America in his office, but he's also a billionaire like Tony Stark. Yeah. So I'm like, where would you fall with that? Yeah, it's super fun. But yeah, I'm really enjoying it. I'm really compelled by the Lonnie Lincoln stuff.

Starting point is 00:24:05 I think the way that this show is able to capture the authenticity of what it's like for somebody to enter a gang, to find community within that environment. And the way that that juxt position happens between him and Peter, having these two black men figures kind of shelter them in a way, but in two totally different kind of ways. And them both having a furthering in an identity, one being more altruistic and the other one kind of falling into villainy and crime. and those things happening at the same time is really smart writing and I'm excited to see where this goes I'm I'm super invested in in Lonnie because we've spent a lot of time we've seen what he can be we've seen what see what he wants but we also see because he puts everybody before himself the lengths in which he's willing to go to defend those things that will lead him down a darker path and I was just going to say even the characterization we've had of him like the moment of him making sure everybody else is eating at lunch but also time that in

Starting point is 00:25:03 to his parents making sure his parents are good even at the cost of himself making sure his brother's good even the cost of himself i see how good the characterization is would lead him to a gang i love like i love that they set him up to be like oh i'm being i'm being rewarded and like that's that's that's so identifiable like i can totally relate to that and that makes the gang stuff so much more traumatic well i and i think uh calling of tombstone is like symbolic of like his former identity dying it's so strong yeah yeah that and and i feel like the articulation it's like the outset of the gang storyline is so, you know, you're like

Starting point is 00:25:37 no, don't do it, this is a bad path, but the acknowledgement of like, hey, how do you think you're able to walk home at night? Like, we are a part of this community, whether you like it or not, and even if how we do things and what we do is not always above the board, you still have benefited from it. And now that you've involved yourself, you kind of

Starting point is 00:25:53 have to face to face with that fact. And so it at least makes this gray area that creates the inroad for like, oh, maybe I can find community here and transmute what I've had with football, be grudgingly onto this especially yeah with some blood in the game now you know like actually making the tackle to save big dawn uh and this is just a stray but i thought it was kind of charming that they had like a rhino portrayal where it's like oh he's a brute but he not dumb you know and

Starting point is 00:26:20 like you have that moment of like oh maybe there's like an uneasy thing happening here like they're good at creating these little gray areas along with having clear fun with distorting what your expectations are certain obvious archetype characters or nexus characters and i love that they're using not just spider man villains like spider man's got a rich array of villains but i love that we had the wizard i love that we had uh you know big don is a is a lucage villain traditionally like i love that it's the universe and we're getting to explore different corners of it and that keeps it fresh and exciting and you also aren't beholden to it like you mentioned being excited by the hornet and like those characters i'm extra excited because that's some weird very specific comic era that i love that no one talks

Starting point is 00:26:58 about it, but it's also fun just casually. So I think this show is balancing a lot. This is probably my top third of Marvel shows, and probably that puts it to my top third of MCU properties. Like, this is landing really well for me, much like X-Men 97. I wonder if the part of the

Starting point is 00:27:14 setup that I find really cool, because it has me flashing to the main, whatever they call the Sacred Timeline, right? Where Tom Holland exists in the live action of like, is there an implication that all this, these characters could be existing within New York City like the Otto Octavius, the Oscorp and all that and Harry

Starting point is 00:27:35 could be existing but because like Harry doesn't go to school with him right you know they could all just be right outside yeah yeah so I like that because that was part of the questioning of okay while we got Otto Octavius and all them in no way home from different universes who are the versions in the main in the main universe is it this version Like, is that the implication? It makes me love and resent a little bit.

Starting point is 00:28:01 No way home for the fact that we got these legacy villains, but because we've gotten them so soon within another Spider-Man trilogy, I think that delays or robs of the opportunity of experiencing them within the context of the sacred timeline, at least sometime soon. I hope that I'm wrong about that. That's why I love that they are such different versions of those versions. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:22 Like this Norman is completely different. and and auto is completely different you know so i like that if they were to take in like you could totally see coleman domingo that's norman and real like an actual live action like absolutely wouldn't be jazzed about that yeah and zeno's a huge spider man fan like he'd be so happy to yeah who uh harry harry i'm trying to say i'm trying to say try not to just say yeah to everything okay zeno robin's a big spider man fan oh yeah that's really cool to hear yeah I think this is a bomb-ass show, man. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:58 And it's also just, it exceeds that level. There's two versions of animation when I'm watching. One is I'm hyper aware I'm watching animated and drawing and stuff. And then you get lost. And then the other versions are when you get lost in it and you're like, oh, yeah, this is a drawing. Like you're just feeling like you're watching people all the sudden. That shot of Otto, I felt that. I remembered like when they cut in his face and he was moving and things were moving behind him.

Starting point is 00:29:24 it was like a lockoff shot, I had to be like, oh, they drew this because it only got a lock off camera. Yeah, and see, in the first two episodes, I was still aware, I was watching an animated show. And it was this round of watching where I was not, where I would lose sight of that. I'd be like, oh, yeah, these are drawings. I'm not just watching people. Yeah. I hope with season two, they give it the proper respect of allowing it to have that week to week because, yeah, we watched three episodes back to back. And all of them were super dense, not only with story, but with comic book references and Easter eggs and stuff.

Starting point is 00:29:52 And I would like us as an audience to have time to digest those things and talk about those things week to week because it's just a deserving as Daredevil is. And they have the anticipation factor. Well, they're also making New York such a character again.

Starting point is 00:30:05 And it makes me reflect on the journey of, man, I love New York. I love it. I love it. I love it. So great. So much. I love that I've loved New York City. And Greg went and he's like, no, I understand. And now ever since he's been in New York, he's like, it's a character.

Starting point is 00:30:20 This is the New Colorado. So much of. So much of MCU has taken place in New York, which never really felt like you were in New York. In the first half of homecoming, they put the effort in. But then as soon as like... I think like the first act of homecoming. He stayed in New York, but he was like in the suburbs.

Starting point is 00:30:38 Yeah, that was my prime New York. Yeah, yeah. You don't really... But even there's so much, like they have the Battle of New York. There's so much that takes place in New York. And the comics are like, it's funny because they're all in New York. Yeah, comics is... That's why they had to make a distinguish West Coast Avenger.

Starting point is 00:30:51 They had to really establish that. And this is the first... I could be wrong. Am I wrong? I think this is like the first time I've really felt like within Marvel Cinematic Universe timeline we really feel New York City.

Starting point is 00:31:06 Yeah. I mean, Daredewell's technically within New York. That is true. That never the show was before as part of the few and all the way, yeah. That is true though.

Starting point is 00:31:14 No, he's got a strong point. But to that point, though, I mean, I think there is a distinction because, yes, at the time that was its own separate Netflix, thing and then you think like oh the New York of the previous iterations of the Spider-Man franchises

Starting point is 00:31:27 be it Ramey or be it Mark Webb or whatever like those feel more New Yorkie for sure. I would agree with that assessment actually of the MCU New York it's the same way how like one complaint I feel like can be levied at the Nolan movies is sort of like Gotham City kind of feels like a nondescript

Starting point is 00:31:43 Chicago City kind of for like two out of the three of them and yeah like it's nice that I find it funny that there are so many things, and I know that the media is different and the sensibility of how you capture live performance is different, but like

Starting point is 00:31:59 in animation, it seems like they're really great at being economical while also not feeling like they're just spoon-feeding you exposition all the time, and also giving this very real place a personality that feels like a character, and yet we're not actually seeing it

Starting point is 00:32:15 like literally being photographed. When you're photographing it, how does it not come through? You've got to give it, yeah. Yeah, and you did point out, and then I'll let you speak again, that they are showing in this show, especially, people in peril, him saving people. And it's like one of those things that feels trite to mention every time, but it's like, it goes a long way. Well, when you're doing your friendly neighborhood, Spider-Man, and usually in the live-action stuff, if you have gangs, they kind of just feel small-scale or inconsequential to, like, the bigger threats.

Starting point is 00:32:45 You're always waiting for the big bad or something bigger to happen. So, like, dealing with them, even like the, the, the, the, minor introduction of Matt Gargan in Homecoming, which I still feel like, have any of you guys seen Better Call Saul? No. Damn. Okay. So the guy who plays Matt Gargan in Homecoming, he's one of the main actors in Better Call Saul. His name is Michael Mando.

Starting point is 00:33:06 He is a phenomenal actor. And I'm like, shit. I don't know why the MCU just robbed themselves of using the guy who was one of the main character. Anyway. So to get like, but to see the gang side of it, I'm like, yeah, this feels, especially for the stage in the game where Spider-Man is at in his, in his, like spider career it actually feels like weighty and intense and scary and there's real consequences to it i love how they're using the gang to make you hate them instead of just being like they're bad guys and they're corrupt in our streets to show the psychological manipulation and the

Starting point is 00:33:38 things they're stealing from some guys few some a team from a teenager's future yeah makes you hate the gang for what they're doing so the way they are setting them up even villainy wise because at first when they show them like okay we got black gang and like it looks like Puerto rican gangs or whatever right that i just was important weekend because it's in new york so you see these two i'm like okay is this going to be like stereotypical but the usage of them and to take lani and to watch this manipulation factor happen i'm like even that moment where he does save um uh a big don it seems like it just came out of him instinctually because he's a good guy yeah yeah but now he's feeling like accepted into it and it it is like painful so i like that we don't really know like

Starting point is 00:34:21 how it's going to lead to him fighting Spider-Man or whatever. I imagine that he will be, I mean, Spider-Man will have a conflict, right? Because Peter's going to know who it is. Because it's like that conflict, again, of how, I think what they try is sending up in the live actions with Harry and Peter, when Harry's going down a dark path or bad path,

Starting point is 00:34:38 is what they're doing, but probably stronger and better. Yeah, yeah, they're making him the Harry, and they're making it Harry Ganky. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Harry Ganky. Yeah, so I think the usage of it, the more I talk about the show, the better i feel it gets and because it's could have just been a cool aesthetically looking show because i love the comic book panel stuff uh especially when they like go past the lines

Starting point is 00:35:02 the bars the square bars just makes it has like weird 3d effect and spiderverse is um like you say spider verse you think of the animated movies and they are so um revered for how awesome they look and how unique they look and this show had to challenge to keep up something different you know to your point

Starting point is 00:35:26 about the New York and the gang stuff this is living up to all four of the words in its title your it feels like it is connecting us to you whether your

Starting point is 00:35:33 Spider Man is animated whether your Spider Man is movie whether your Spider-Man is comics your is accurate friendly the dude is so friendly neighborhood

Starting point is 00:35:39 it feels like we actually get to make that a character and it is authentically Spider-Man like this is a well-titled show that is I like this title better than freshman year now that we're this far into it

Starting point is 00:35:48 wouldn't have made sense like this really if this really well if They had tied to the... Plus, it's limiting as well. Yeah, but, like, I think it would have worked if it was the Tom Holland pre-canon thing that it was rumored to me. But as it is now, your friendly neighbor in Spider-Man, this is hitting all the marks. I wish it wasn't half over and we could celebrate it for 10 weeks.

Starting point is 00:36:05 I started the last thing I got to say. I did think it was a little dumb of Peter to not at all notice Harry was sitting right there. Yeah. Tinted windows. But he was... Oh, hey, John. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He could have walked in.

Starting point is 00:36:20 A little dumb. He could have walked in the room while he was taking his mask off. Even, but like, okay, now I'm in nip, I'm in, okay, bring on the negativity. I have a hyper nitpick territory of like, why does Norman have some random camera in the stairwell that he wouldn't want a security team to have access to him? Like, that's like the general cliche of what you wanted, you know, why wouldn't you want your security team to have access to the stairwell camera? That's where you want it. I feel like you will probably want, like, you're on private one. And you're so busy.

Starting point is 00:36:50 In my head canon, he's like, this one freaking Sarah, well, this is my camera, right? I guess in my head canon, I'm like, he must have a few, but I think it's funnier if he only has the one. It's such like a generic spot for a camera. He got a report back from his security team. It's where he goes to cheat on his wife. The most time is wasted here.

Starting point is 00:37:13 I'm going to keep everyone out of here, and this is why I flounder. That's where everyone smokes, and he's like, I'll catch all these people, take of their smoke breaks. But I will say the portrayal of Harry, I like the asking the question of what would a modern-day Harry Osborne actually be like. And every single time you see the Harry Norman interpretation, it's like, Harry, you're a shitty son. Every single time. And they're like, and I love Peter. Peter's the best.

Starting point is 00:37:46 And they're like semi-sorted, but they're kind of, they're staring away. away from that cliche of the dynamic we haven't really explored it yet they only have the one scene all together at the same time the interaction though and the way like harry talks about his dad when when norm is on around and even in that interaction it feels way more nuanced than what i just said you know like it actually you could see there's a bit of friction and maybe a tinge of disappointment but it doesn't feel like the same type of dynamic of i favorite peter you should be like peter maybe it'll go that way maybe it won't but i think the dynamics are refreshing and to make and to somehow pull off spoiled rich kid and make it feel like oh i get why you're lonely and how you can be relatable now yeah yeah and a small interaction where you're like you're talking with like one of the brokest kids ever on on the calm and i'm like oh wow they're actually building up this friendship in a and a in a unique way i love the way they articulated that because yeah you have that initial moment where it's like harry's going to be your guy in the chair and he and and even in the body language what do you say the dude in that dude at the desk yeah he's

Starting point is 00:38:49 He's going to be your dude to the desk. That's a funny way. Due to the desk. And I love the body language there in that moment because Peter is like fully just looking at Norman. He's like, I don't know about this, man. And in that moment, you're like, oh, yeah. Like, you are basically like you're at a play date that was forced upon you now where you have to make nice with this guy. And then I thought they'd nicely let across the episodes the building of the dynamic breathe.

Starting point is 00:39:14 It doesn't feel forced. But you see how that inroad starts to happen when they're just talking over the phone. and they're not like awkwardly sitting across from each other in the office. And like, again, those are little nuances that I feel like take more thoughtfulness than, you know, you would imagine. And so, yeah, it's like you're getting that, you're like, oh, well, they obviously have to be best friends. But also, we can't just manufacture that. And I think smartly they went, no, we can't. So let's build a rapport kind of charmingly awkwardly between them.

Starting point is 00:39:42 And like, you could see how they could become best friends or how this could just be an isolated thing. and it's his buddy Harry, but who's only in this part of his life. Only Team Spider-Man part of his life, you know. And it's interesting because that's an evolution of a Miles Morales character, which is Ganky, into what they did with Tuderman Homecoming,

Starting point is 00:39:58 making it Ned Leeds, which is now Norman Osborne's son, Harry Osborne, but it is interesting that Harry, Ganky, Ned are all different types of friends, but it is interesting to see all of that in Lonnie, which is the traditional Harry Osborne role. They're doing a really good job making the relationships unique to this show.

Starting point is 00:40:14 And ironically, all of that tying in, and this is an Easter egg in real life, the kid that plays Harry Osborne Zeno is the biggest Childish Gambino fan I know and Childish Gambino is the reason we got Miles Morales Aaron Davis. So the way we get Harry Osborne ironically is inspired

Starting point is 00:40:29 by Childish Gambino again his screen name is literally Childish Game Zeno like Zeno loves childish So that is going to do it for this episode This two hour experience Of three episodes that should have been released weekly I'm going to stand on that until the show ends I'm a little disappointed Disney

Starting point is 00:40:46 Stand on business. But yeah, we'll be back next week for three more episodes and another feature-length commentary on them. This show is exceptional. I think top third of what they've done in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and certainly in the TV show stuff, really special.

Starting point is 00:41:00 And I am more biased to judge it negatively, personally, because of how much I love Spider-Man. This is subverting expectation and exceeding my expectations. I really love it. So thank you to everyone who worked on it. It is so special. We'll see you next week, 4, 6, 7, and 8.

Starting point is 00:41:14 Bye. Thank you.

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